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FBI INTERVIEW OF CARL TORJAGBO 
TAKEN ON MAY 12, 2022 AT 9:58 AM 
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STENOGRAPHICALLY TRANSCRIBED BY: 
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PENNY PRITTY COUDRIET, RMR, CRR 
OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 
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ATLANTA, GEORGIA 
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(MAY 12, 2022) 
(9:58 AM) 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Today is May 12th, approximately 
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9:58 AM, here with Special Agent Caruana and Pressley, with an 
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in-custody interview of Carl Torjagbo? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Torjagbo. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Torjagbo. 
Conducting an in-custody 
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interview. 
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So, like I said, before we ask you any questions you 
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must understand your rights. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Okay. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You have the right to remain silent. 
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Anything -- do you understand that? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Anything you can say -- anything you 
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say can be used against you in court. 
Do you understand that? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
(No verbal response heard). 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You have the right to talk to a 
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lawyer for advice before we ask you any questions. 
Do you 
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understand that? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Okay. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You have the right to have a lawyer 
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with you during questioning. 
If you cannot afford a lawyer, 
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one will be appointed to you before any questioning if you 
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wish. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Okay. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
If you decide to answer questions now 
without a lawyer present, you have the right to stop answering 
at any time. 
Do you understand all those rights? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
(No verbal response heard.) 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Do you consent to speak with us 
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briefly this morning? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, I'll speak briefly. 
I don't 
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have anything to hide or (unintelligible). 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
So you waive all those rights? 
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(Unintelligible.) 
AGENT CARUANA: 
And basically this says here: 
I have 
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read this statement of my rights and I understand what my 
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rights are. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
At this time I'm willing to answer 
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questions without a lawyer present. 
Okay. 
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What I want you to do --
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
is just sign right there, okay? 
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Just don't do anything with that pen, okay? 
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Just sign? 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Just sign it. All right. 
Just want 
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The first thing I want to ask you --
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
-- is you have seven rigs here, 
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right? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Where are the other trucks and 
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trailers that you have? 
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Some of them, we haven't picked them 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
So you already purchased them? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, but we haven't picked them up. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Are they going to be transit or what? 
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I have one driver that's working with 
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me right now. 
He's -- you know, because I don't have a lot of 
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drivers, right, it's kind of hard for us to pick up the stuff, 
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you know, so he has to go and come, go and come. 
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Okay. 
Okay. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
How many drivers do you have? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Right now two. Umm, two. 
I'll say two. 
One is 
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on the road right now. 
One was supposed to show up here 
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because we were supposed to have a DOT inspection supposedly 
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at 10:00 and -- yeah, those are the only two drivers I have. 
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Bretel. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Ok. What are their names? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Brahim Gonzu (phonetic) and then --
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AGENT CARUANA: 
What's the second one? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Bretel. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Bretel? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
How do you -- is that the --
MR. TORJAGBO: 
B-R-E-T-E-L. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Is that the first name or last name? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
First name. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
What's the last name? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Brown. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Bretel Brown? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Which one is out of town? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Brahim is home. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Brahim is home. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
Bretel is in McDonough, 
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Georgia, right now. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
So they're not picking up any trucks 
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right now? 
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No, no, no. 
He's picking up a load 
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actually. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Does he have a truck of yours? 
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Yeah. 
Yeah. 
He has a truck. 
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Okay. 
Where does he keep that truck? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
All the trucks are kept here. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
All of them are here? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So once -- but you only have seven 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, I have almost nine of them. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Are all your trucks here? 
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Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Oh, they are? 
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Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Save the one that is on the road, 
AGENT CARUANA: 
And who has that? Bretel has that? 
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Yeah. Bretel has that, yeah. 
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So eventually he will be coming back 
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Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
How do we get ahold of Bretel? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
His number is on my phone. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
On your phone? 
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Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Still out there. 
What about -- is that -- that's your Range Rover 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
That's the one you bought with the 
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PPP money, right? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, I didn't buy that with the --
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BMW? 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Yeah, you did. 
You did. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, I did not. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
We're taking that car, okay? 
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I mean, I'm not 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Where -- where is the -- where's the 
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It's at the house. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
It's at the house? 
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Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Is there anybody at the house right 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
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Okay. 
Do you live with anybody at 
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the house? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
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No. 
What about your girlfriend? 
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you have a girlfriend or a wife? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
I don't have a wife. 
I have a 
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girlfriend, but she doesn't live with me. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
What's Claudia's situation? 
She 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, she doesn't (unintelligible) 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
So you live in that big house 
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by yourself? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
And there's nobody there right now? 
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Nobody there right now. 
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Do you have a key fob -- where is the 
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car? 
Is it in your garage? 
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Yeah, it's in my garage. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Do you have a key fob for your 
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Yes. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So we can -- so we can get in there 
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Yeah. 
I can show you. 
I have a key 
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hidden. 
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Uh-huh. 
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I can show you where the key is 
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hidden. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
But do you have like a key 
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fob, like a garage door opener in your Range Rover --
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Yes. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
-- that will get us into that garage? 
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Yes. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Because the last thing we want to do 
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:MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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Okay. 
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:MR. TORJAGBO: 
But I want to make something clear. 
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Sure. 
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Most of my property, like my -- what 
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you call it -- my house and my -- what you call it -- and the 
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cars and stuff like that I bought with my own money, it's not 
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Okay. 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
And I can prove that to you. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
You can prove that to us? 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
I can prove that to you. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Let me tell you something. 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
The last thing you want to do 
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Okay? 
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:MR. TORJAGBO: 
I know --
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No, no, no, no, no. 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
I know better than to lie to the FBI. 
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I know that. 
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You cannot - - you cannot lie to us, 
:MR . TORJAGBO: 
I know that. 
~GENT CARUANA: 
Because right now you're working to 
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Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
You lying to us is going to increase 
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I know that. 
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And let me tell you something --
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Uh-huh. 
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-- we have all your bank records, 
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okay? 
So we 've traced the money. 
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Uh-huh. 
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Okay? 
You're being charged with 
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Honestly, I can prove that to you. 
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You can prove it to us? 
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I can prove i t to you . 
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Well, that' s not, that's not the right 
way to go 
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Okay . 
I mean 
AGENT CARUANA: 
But we 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
But we'll deal with that. 
Okay? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Okay. 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So the BMW is at the -- your house? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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Which is that -- what's the address 
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5114 Greythorne. 
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5114 Greythorne? 
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Yeah. 
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Okay. 
Did you have anybody help 
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Uh-huh. 
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obtain this PPP loan? 
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No, I just applied for it by myself. 
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You just applied for it by yourself? 
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Yeah. 
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How long has Kremkov Industries been 
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in business? 
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For about three or four years. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Three or four years? 
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Yes. 
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How many employees does it have? 
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Right now it's on halt because most of 
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Yeah. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
It's a mining -- it's a mining 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
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And with COVID and the COVID -- what 
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Uh-huh. 
Okay. 
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In the mines they have to be like very 
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Okay. 
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So, you know, really we can't do 
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Okay. 
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So that's why I was -- you know, I'm 
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rechanneling my efforts into transportation. 
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Okay. 
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And also the mining business is kind 
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Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
If there's a change of government --
AGENT CARUANA: 
Uh-huh. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
-- then everything changes. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
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So that's why I'm rechanneling the 
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Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So all your employees are in Africa 
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Most of them. Most of them --
AGENT CARUANA: 
Most of them are in Africa? 
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Yeah, most of the people that do the 
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And you said you've been in business 
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Yeah. 
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How much money do you earn from 
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that -- from Kremkov, how much income do you earn about (sic) 
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I mean, with the mining business, it's 
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Yeah. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I mean, it depends on how much you 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
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Yeah. 
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Okay. 
Okay. 
And where are your bank 
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Well, I've (unintelligible) had several 
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Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
So, I mean, the Emirates, some back in 
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Okay. 
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Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So about how many employees do you 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Right now, like I said, you know 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Let's say 20 -- 2020, 2021. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
In 2020, 2021? 
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Uh-huh. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. Probably about 50. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
About 5 0? 
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Yeah. 
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Okay. 
How many in the United States? 
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In the US, honestly off the top of my 
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Okay. 
What was the maximum amount of 
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employees that you've ever had? 
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That's like -- it's high turnover, so 
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Okay. 
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-- I cannot -- you know, I don't know 
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I mean, just take a guess, a 
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guesstimate. 
I mean, was it 50? 
Is it 100? 
Is it 10? 
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Honestly, I can't answer that 
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I don't know. 
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I mean, just take a guess. 
I mean, 
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Yeah, I'm the owner. 
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And you pay them, right? 
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Yeah. 
I pay them, yeah. 
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So you cut the checks. 
So, I mean, 
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On a biweekly basis? 
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Uh-huh. 
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It depends on how many people are, you 
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Okay. 
Now, approximately how many 
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Like I said, I don't know off the top 
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Just take a guesstimate. 
I'm not 
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I mean, just a rough guesstimate. 
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A rough guesstimate, maybe 50, 60. 
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About 50, 60? 
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Okay. 
All right. 
And, I mean, about 
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Like I said, those are hard figures 
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Okay. 
Okay. 
Are you sure you want 
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to tell me this stuff because it's not really going to help 
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I know that, but I don't want to tell 
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Okay. 
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So if it's something that is hard 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Carl? 
Carl? 
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Yeah. 
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I don't know how -- how clear I can 
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make it to you. 
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Uh-huh. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay? 
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Uh-huh . 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
This is a paper case, okay? 
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Okay. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
And it's a follow-the-money case. 
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Okay. 
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And the evidence shows t hat what 
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Uh-huh. 
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is bullshit. 
So you're not going 
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And, like I said, to the best of my 
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ability I'm being plain 
I'll be plain and honest with you. 
6 
Like when it comes to hard figures, I don't want to 
7 
AGENT CARUANA: 
I don't need a hard figure, okay? 
8 
You opened your bank account here to put the PPP funds into. 
9 
You didn't have a bank account for all this Kremkov Industries 
10 
stuff here in the United States. 
11 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, it 1 s because the business 
12 
originated in Africa. 
13 
AGENT CARUANA: 
You never had any income, bro. 
You 
14 
never had any income from Kremkov. 
That 1 s why I'm telling you 
15 
how clear can I be? 
16 
17 
18 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I had income from --
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I had income from Kremkov but all of 
19 
them are foreign bank accounts. 
In the United States -- okay. 
20 
You see, the business started back in Africa, you know, back 
21 
in Africa because I inherited a piece of property that had 
22 
gold and diamonds on it. 
You know, at that time I was living 
23 
out of state. 
I was living in Dubai because I was working in 
24 
Dubai and I'm in the business. 
25 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
You know. 
So when I came back to the 
2 
states, I registered the business in the states, you know. 
3 
And that made me eligible to apply for the PPP loan. 
4 
5 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
So everything started outside the 
6 
states, that -- that's how -- that's how it is. 
7 
8 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Well, where did you --
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
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9 
10 
PPP money 
AGENT CARUANA: 
How much -- how much of those -- that 
did you pay for -- pay employees here in the United 
11 
States? 
12 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Save the employees I have right now 
13 
and then rechanneling -
the what do you call it -- the money 
14 
into transportation --
15 
AGENT CARUANA: 
There see, so you rechanneled the 
16 
money, the PPP money for Kremkov for your employees into buying 
17 
all these rigs? 
18 
19 
20 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Because 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
-- I intended to take it as a loan 
21 
instead of ask for forgiveness. 
22 
23 
24 
25 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
So I intended to take it as a loan. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
So on August 10th the loan matures and 
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then I'll start paying for it. 
So that is -- that is what I 
2 
was. I'm doing because 
3 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Do you have insurance for these rigs? 
4 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, I do. 
5 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
You do? 
6 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
7 
AGENT CARUANA: 
What 
I'm going to --
8 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
9 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Do all your rigs have the Flying Jack 
10 
logo on them? 
11 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes, save this one that we just got. 
12 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Which is 
13 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
The black one. 
14 
AGENT CARUANA: 
This one right here? 
15 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
We just got that yesterday. 
16 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So this one's yours? 
17 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
18 
AGENT CARUANA: 
This one here? 
19 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
Any one with the logo with the 
20 
exception of the black one. 
21 
AGENT HATCHER: 
Keys to the trucks? 
22 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Where are the keys? 
23 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
They are in the uhh -
they are in the 
trailer. 
24 
AGENT HATCHER: 
In the trailer? 
25 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Are the trailers open? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, it's not open. 
2 
AGENT CARUANA: 
How do you get into the trailers? 
3 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
The keys are on my keys. 
4 
AGENT CARUANA: 
On your key chain there? 
5 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, on my key chain. 
6 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Are they padlocks? 
7 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
Padlock, yeah. 
8 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
9 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
So I intended to take it as a loan 
10 
instead of ask for forgiveness 
11 
12 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
-- because I know at the maturity of 
20 
13 
the PPP, if you start paying for it, it becomes a regular loan 
14 
and then you start paying for it. 
So that is why I, you know, 
15 
rechanneled all this into the transportation because my 
16 
intention is to take it as a regular loan and then pay for it 
17 
instead of ask for forgiveness. 
18 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Which is against the rules for 
19 
PPP, I mean, because the money was for Kremkov to pay for your 
20 
employees and -- to pay 493 employees in the United States, 
21 
okay? 
You don't have 493 employees. 
And you used the money 
22 
to buy your trucks, which is against the law under the PPP 
23 
program, okay? 
You know that. 
You signed the documents, you 
24 
initialed that you understood all that stuff. 
25 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes, but -- I also understood that if 
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you -- that is if you're asking for forgiveness. 
If you 
2 
intend to take it as a loan, then you don't ask for 
3 
forgiveness and then it turns to a regular loan at the 
4 
maturity. 
5 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Why didn't you get a loan in Flying 
6 
Jack's name then? 
7 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Because at that time Flying Jack was 
8 
not established. 
9 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
21 
10 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Flying Jack was not established. 
And, 
11 
like I said, with the difficulty in the mining industry with 
12 
what we're facing, I was like, okay, I think it's a better 
13 
idea to do something here instead of having to like, you know, 
14 
deal with all the COVID rules and restrictions and stuff 
15 
overseas with the lack of vaccine. 
So my intention was to 
16 
rechannel this, and whatever I borrowed, back into 
17 
transportation and then take it as a regular loan. 
So that is 
18 
what I did. 
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20 
21 
22 
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key. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Which key is it? 
AGENT HATCHER: 
Which key is it? 
AGENT CARUANA: 
For the padlocks. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
The padlock keys. 
AGENT HATCHER: 
It's one key for all the padlocks? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, it's just one padlock. 
It's that 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
And all the keys are in the one 
2 
trailer? 
3 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
So if you open the trailer, 
4 
right, in the back of the trailer you see a brown box and 
5 
there's a black folder. 
And with the folder, when you open the 
6 
folder, it has all the keys of the trucks. 
7 
AGENT HATCHER: 
Which trailer has all these keys? 
8 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
It's -- when you are facing this way, 
9 
not the left one, it's the second one. 
10 
11 
AGENT HATCHER: 
Second one? 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
It's the only trailer with a 
12 
key on it. 
13 
AGENT HATCHER: 
Okay. 
And which key is it? 
14 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
This key. 
15 
AGENT HATCHER: 
This one? 
16 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
17 
AGENT HATCHER: 
All right. 
18 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
19 
AGENT HATCHER: 
Thank you. 
20 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So if you would have applied for a 
21 
loan under Flying Jack 
22 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
23 
AGENT CARUANA: 
-- you would not have gotten a loan, 
24 
is that what the thought was? 
25 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, because I started Flying Jack 
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almost after the -- what you call it -- the PPP program was 
2 
over. 
I started Flying Jack after the PPP program was over 
3 
because, like I said, with the difficulties I was facing, it 
4 
was -- it made sense for me to just rechannel the money to 
5 
transportation, you know, and then do something here and then 
6 
actually, you know, take it as a loan and then pay back . 
So 
7 
that was my intention. 
8 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So in order to get a loan through 
23 
9 
Kremkov you had to submit the false documents and that sort of 
10 
thing in order for them to approve it? 
11 
12 
13 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I didn't submit any false documents. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Oh, you didn't? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
I mean, like I said, with the 
14 
business being in Africa and all that stuff 
15 
AGENT CARUANA: 
No, no, no. 
So, I mean, you 
16 
submitted a list of 493 employees that are all here in the 
17 
United States with your loan package. 
So that's fake. 
That's 
18 
bullshit. 
Okay? 
I mean, the PPP loan is not for people in 
19 Africa, it's for the employees here in the United States. 
And 
20 
in order to get that loan, you had to submit a 71-page list of 
21 
fake people, fake employees to chase for -- in order for them 
22 
to give you your loan. 
So that's a fake document, correct? 
23 
Yes? 
24 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I believe they changed the rules on 
25 
that one because they canceled the loan that I applied for 
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first and then reissued it based on - - because 
AGENT CARUANA: 
493 employees. 
2 
3 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, no, no. 
They changed the rules on 
4 
how you get the PPP money. 
5 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
6 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
They changed the rules from the number 
7 
of employees to how much you actually make. 
8 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
9 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah . 
So that was canceled. 
And then 
10 
they redid the loan based on how much you actually make. 
11 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
So how much do you actually 
12 
make? 
13 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
Like I said, those are like hard 
14 
figures, so like, you know ... 
15 
AGENT CARUANA: 
How much do you actually make here in 
16 
the United States? 
17 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
Do I actually make here in the United 
18 
States? 
19 
20 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Yeah. 
For Kremkov . 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
Like I said, you know, with -- you 
21 
know, with Kremkov all my -- all my -- okay. 
22 
23 
24 
25 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Zero. 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
All my accounts were foreign accounts. 
AGENT CARUANA : 
Okay. 
Okay. 
:MR. TORJAGBO: 
That's how it was, yeah. 
So, I just 
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had to provide statements based on how much I made on the 
2 
foreign accounts, that's it. 
3 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Your 940s and 941s you 
4 
submitted? 
5 
6 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
With your payroll, your average 
7 
monthly payroll? 
8 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
9 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Bullshit. 
And you know that's fake 
10 
too, right? 
That's why - - that's why I'm telling you, we 
11 
don't need you to cooperate, okay? 
That's why I'm trying 
12 
to -- like I said, I don't know how clear to you I can be , 
13 
okay? 
The paper is what proves it. 
The paper and the flow 
14 
money. 
I've been doing this for a long time, okay? 
I don't 
15 
want 
I don't want to see you get in any more trouble than 
16 
what you're already in, that's why I was clear to you and 
17 
explained to you how you can help yourself in the federal 
18 
system. 
And I guarantee you you speak to any attorney, 
19 
attorney gets appointed to you when you go through these 
25 
of 
20 
proceedings, or you hire your own attorney, they will tell you 
21 
the same thing. 
And I don't want you to sit back there later 
22 
on and say, damn, he told me so. 
Okay? 
I'm not trying to 
23 
play you. 
24 
25 
MR. TORJAGBO : 
I know that . 
AGENT CARUANA: 
I'm trying to be straight with you, 
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okay? 
2 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
And I doing the same as -- you know, 
3 
to the b es t of my ability without, you know, making it look 
like --
4 
AGENT CARUANA: 
You ain't doing so good . 
Okay. 
5 
So -- but anyways --
6 
7 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
your 940s and your 941s are 
8 bullshit. The W-2s tha t you filed - - you didn't even file for 
9 
yourself are bullshit, okay? 
You got bigger problems to deal 
10 
with too. 
It's not just t his . 
And you know what I'm talking 
11 
about, okay? 
12 
We've done our homework . 
We've done our 
13 
investigation, okay? 
This is the end. 
And that's why I told 
14 
you the game is over . 
Now it's time fo r you to try to help 
15 
yourself, okay? 
I 'm trying to play you straight. 
All right? 
16 
So you -- you're going to give us consent to open 
17 
your garage door and get that other vehicle. 
We have a 
18 
seizure warrant for that. 
The alternative is we're going to 
26 
19 
have to get a search warrant and tear your door down, which we 
20 
don' t want to do, okay? 
21 
22 
MR . TORJAGBO: 
Okay. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
All right. 
You consent to us to open 
23 
your garage door, use your key fob and we're going to take 
24 
that vehicle? 
25 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
But, honestly, those vehicles and the 
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house and all that --
2 
3 
4 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Just say yes or no for the record. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Yes. 
Okay. 
5 
And you can sit there and tell me that you used your 
6 
own money, which is bullshit because we've got all the bank 
7 
records and the flow of money to show how you paid for this 
27 
8 
stuff, okay? 
And that's why the judge -- and we presented the 
9 
e vidence to a judge and the judge -- you've been indict ed 
10 before a grand jury. 
We presented the case to a grand jury. 
11 
I don't know how many juror members were there. 
Sixteen, 
12 
twenty, whatever the quorum is. 
And based upon the evidence 
13 
we presented to them, they're like, yeah, you have enough 
14 
probable cause to indict him, which means you've been charged, 
15 
okay? 
16 
And we presented all the evidence to a judge for all 
17 
these seizure warrants to take all these vehicles and it was 
18 
enough evidence under the law for the judge to say, yes, I'll 
19 
give you approval to take all of these assets, okay? 
20 
So right now, I mean , the evidence is going a long, 
21 
l ong way, okay? 
And you tell me you have evidence t o prove 
22 
t hat you -- that you used your own money for that. 
Yeah, it 
23 
may have came from your bank account, but guess where that 
24 
money came f rom? 
It originated with Kremkov and then you 
25 
t ransferred it to PNC and Bank of America. 
You started Flying 
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Jack . 
2 
Why did you change your name? 
3 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I decided to change my name when I was 
4 
in the military. 
It's because my last name was hard --
5 
6 
7 
8 
AGENT CARUANA: 
When did you change your name? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
It was like September last year. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
When were you in the military? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I was in the military almost like --
9 
since like 2012 or something like that. 
10 
11 
12 
13 
14 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
When did you get out? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I was injuredin short, so it was like a 
year. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
What? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Like a year. 
So 2013. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So 2013. 
And you said you changed 
15 
your name while you were in the military? 
16 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, I said I decided to change my 
17 
name. 
18 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
When did you legally change 
19 
your name? 
20 
21 
22 
23 
24 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Like September. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Why did you change your name? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
It's because the last name was hard to 
2 5 
pronounce . 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
It was hard to pronounce? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Torjagbo? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
It's just -- everybody just 
5 
butchers it, so I did -- you know, I decided to use my first 
6 
name and my middle name, which is Carl Delano. 
7 
8 
AGENT CARUANA: 
And where'd Lucius come from? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Lucius is just a character I liked so 
9 
much as a kid in Gladiator, so I just put the name there, 
10 
yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
And Claudia is your girlfriend? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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11 
12 
13 
14 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Did you send any money to her? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
She asked me to loan her some money 
15 
because she was trying to close on a house, so I gave her, you 
16 
know --
17 
AGENT CARUANA: 
How much did you give her? 
18 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
It was about a couple thousand 
19 dollars. 
20 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Couple thousand? 
21 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
22 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Is that all? 
23 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
24 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Remember 
25 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
I hope you don't have a short memory 
2 
but we have the bank records, right? 
3 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I know. 
4 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So you only gave her a couple 
5 
thousand dollars? 
6 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
7 
AGENT CARUANA: 
To help her buy that house? 
8 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
And then -- yeah, it was like I 
9 
think 2,500 or $2,800 or something like that --
10 
11 
12 
13 
14 
15 
16 
17 
18 
19 
20 
21 
AGENT CARUANA: 
That's it? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
-- because she was short. 
And then 
AGENT CARUANA: 
What does Claudia do for a living? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Claudia, she dances. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
She dances? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
What kind of dancing? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
She's an exotic dancer. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Exotic dancer? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Are those your guys? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, they are working on -- they were 
22 
just working on putting the logos on --
23 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Are they your employees or do you 
24 
just pay them like to do the work? 
25 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I pay them to do the work, yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
So they don't -- do they have 
2 
anything to do with this? 
3 
4 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, no, no. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
What are their names? 
Are they 
5 
friends of yours or --
6 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, they're not friends of mine, they 
7 
are just putting logos -- it's a company I paid to put the 
8 
logos on the tractor-trailers, that's it. 
9 
10 
11 
12 
13 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
What company did you pay? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Fastsigns. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Fastsigns? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Do you have any trucks or 
14 
trailers in the paint shop right now? 
15 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
Like I said, some of them --
16 
about four or five trailers are in Memphis that needs to be 
1 7 
picked up . 
18 
19 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Where at in Memphis? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Oh, jeez. It's near a yard. 
I don't 
20 
know exactly. 
It's like an auction. 
21 
AGENT CARUANA: 
How many are there? 
22 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Four of them. 
23 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Four of them? 
24 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I think four or five of them. 
25 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So you bought more trucks? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
The track (sic) trailers for the 
2 
trucks. 
3 
4 
5 
6 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Oh, you bought more trailers? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
When did you just buy those trailers? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
We bought them for a while, we just 
7 
don't have the manpower to pick them up, you know, because 
8 
like it's Brahim is the only one that goes up and down and he 
9 
has to, like, you know, travel, you know, go pick up the 
10 
trailer, find a load back. 
And so, you know, he's doing all 
11 
the work and it's taking time. 
12 
AGENT CARUANA: 
How did you pay for those trailers? 
13 
From what bank account did you use? 
14 
15 
16 
17 
18 
19 
20 
21 
22 
23 
24 
25 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
From my Bank of America bank account. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
From your Bank of America account? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
That's under Flying Jack, right? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
You got any money in there? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, I do. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
About how much? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Probably about 100,000. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
About 100,000? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
You got money in your PNC account? 
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Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
About how much? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Roughly 2 million. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
And then the 500,000 that you 
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withdrew, you did two $500,000 withdrawals, one in February, 
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one in April. 
Those were used to buy these trucks and 
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trailers? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
Mostly equipment land 
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for like 
to develop - - where to put the --
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like a yard for operating. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You were going to open your own yard? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Up in Cartersville? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
The Cartersville property, we were 
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having complications with it. 
So I had to buy another one. 
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They said we had to put three 60-inch pipes, which is going to 
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cost like $360,000. 
I'm like 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
360,000? 
MR . TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Pipes for what? 
Sewage? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
For rainwater or something? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
Like there's an underground 
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river, so they wanted us to do that for the entire length of 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Yeah. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
And that wasn't cost effective. 
So I 
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bought another one in Acworth, which is under development 
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right now. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Is that Holt. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Holt, yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
101 Holt? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Are you developing that right now? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Well, they are doing the -- we went to 
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the city meeting. 
And then we submitted the business plan. 
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And then they are doing the survey and the topography and all 
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that stuff. 
And then --
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
-- the next phase will be to like 
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grade the land and level it and all that good stuff. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Okay. 
What other properties 
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do you have? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
That's it. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You have Holt Road? 
You've got 
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Cartersville? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You've got your house? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
What did you do -- who is the -- who 
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is the person in Texas? 
What's her relationship to you? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
That's just a business partner. 
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BE.Logistics, we just do business with them. 
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company? 
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Brandon. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
What's the name? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
BE.Logistics. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
BE.Logistics? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
BE. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
BE. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Logistics. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Logistics. 
And it's a trucking 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, they are dispatchers. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Dispatchers? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Who runs BE.Logistics? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Honestly, I think it's a guy named 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Who is Monica Sweeten 
(phonetic) . 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Monica is a girl I used to work with. 
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She was actually my sim partner in -- what do you call it --
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when I was working for United Express. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
She was what kind of partner? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Simulator. 
Sim partner. 
We were like 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Oh, a sim partner? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Like a flight simulator? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
Yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay . 
Is she a pilot? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Why did you send her money? 
Why did 
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you help her buy some stuff? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Oh, she 
she was in some situation 
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and she needed to borrow the money to close and then --
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me. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
To buy a house? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
And then she gave it back to 
AGENT CARUANA: 
When did she give it back to you? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Jeez. 
Probably like a week or 
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something. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Oh, just recently? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
Yeah. 
She --
AGENT CARUANA: 
And the money that you sent to her 
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was from your -- it was either your PNC or Bank of America 
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account? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
I believe it's Bank of America. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Bank of America? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Do you still keep in contact 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Yeah? Is she a good friend? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Why did you stop flying? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Well, I'm still flying. 
Like I said, 
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I was working in Dubai. 
I was trying to switch airlines 
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because the airplane I was flying was crashing. 
I flew the 
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Max. 
So I came back here and I got a job with -- what do you 
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call it -- China Southern and Vietnam Airlines. 
And right 
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when I was about to start training COVID hit, so ... 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Uh-huh (affirmative) 
Okay. 
Besides 
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flying flights freight logistics, do you have any other 
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employment or sources of income or anything like that? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Right now? 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
It's just all Flying Jack? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You've got to be hemorrhaging money 
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right now. 
You're paying all this money for insurance on 
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these rigs and they're sitting here, they're not operating. 
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What's going -- how are you managing that? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Well, like I said, we -- you know, 
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registration. 
There's a couple of registrations in my car. 
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The three people you saw with the judge back there -- he's 
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actually a judge. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
He's a judge? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Which one was the judge? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
The old guy with the hat. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Judge for where? 
MR. TORJAGBO : 
I think he's in Cartersville, one of 
the courthouses there. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
In what courthouse? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I've forgotten exactly where it is. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Here in Georgia? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah . 
In Georgia, yeah . 
He's a 
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part-time judge. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
But what courthouse? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I don't remember exactly but he --
AGENT CARUANA: 
It's a county or - -
MR. TORJAGBO : 
A county. 
He's in Cartersville. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Cat- --
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Cartersville . 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Cartersville? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, Cartersville. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Oh, okay. 
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He lives in Cartersville. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
So we hired him and I -- we have about 
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four students that I'm training right now. 
So that is the 
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plan. 
I mean, as soon as they are done with the training -- I 
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paid for them to take the learning permit. 
And then I pay the 
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judge. 
And then they just have to get into an agreement to 
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work for me for 18 months --
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AGENT CARUANA: 
A judge is going to work for you? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
He's right there. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
What's he going to do for you? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
He's just instructing them how to 
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instructing them how to land -- teaching them how to drive the 
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trucks. 
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active? 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
That's what he's doing --
AGENT CARUANA: 
He's got a CDL? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, he has a CDL. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Do you have yours? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No . 
No. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
But your pilot license is still 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
You got ties to Ghana? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, I have family in Ghana. 
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You have family. 
Is that where 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Where were you born? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
South Africa. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
South Africa? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Like what country? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Cape Town. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Cape Town? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
When did you come to the 
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United States? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
When I was -- just when I finished 
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high school. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
High school? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
With family or --
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
My siblings were here before I came. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Your siblings were? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
And my sister was here. 
You know, I 
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had another sister join and 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Do you have a mom and dad? 
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Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Were they here? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
My mom -- actually, they are 
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trying to come here in August. 
They come seasonally, they 
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just come to visit back and forth. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Ok so how did you come over to the 
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United States, under what -- like what program 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
I came as F-1 visa. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
F-1 visa? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
What's the F-1 visa? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
It's a student visa. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Student visa? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Were you required to go back at all? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Not really. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Not really? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Because I came here as a F-1 visa. 
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I -- what you call it -- I went to college. 
After I graduated 
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college 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Uh-huh. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
-- I got a contract with the Air 
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Force. 
And then, you know, from there I went to the Army. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
And that's how I got my paperwork, my 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay . 
Why do you have two social 
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security number s? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
I changed them. 
I believe I changed 
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them. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Well, I know you changed them, but, I 
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mean, what was your reason to change them because typically 
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you don't get two social security numbers? 
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I mean, I 
AGENT CARUANA: 
What kind of paperwork or information 
11 
did you give them to convince them to give you another social 
12 
security number? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, I didn't convince them to give 
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me a number . 
Because I know you can change your social 
15 
security number but keep the same file, just like you change 
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your name when you get married or something. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Why did you want to change your 
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social security number? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Well, it's because, like -- like, you 
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know --
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Were people making fun of your social 
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security number? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, no, not making fun of the social 
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security number. 
It's just some people try to get some 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Yeah. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
One of my roommates. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
So that's why. 
That prompted me to 
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change it. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
So let me ask you this. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
The 493 people, their names that you 
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had on that 71-page list that you submitted to Chase, where 
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did you get all that data from? 
It was fake payroll. 
Where 
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did you get all their names from? 
Did you buy that from 
12 
somebody or did you just make them up? 
Did you pull them off 
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of some kind of, like, public record? 
Where did you get them 
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all from? 
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And this is important because, I mean, it's a lot of 
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names. 
I mean, did you use them for anything else or was it 
17 
just on that payroll file? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Honestly, I refrain from answering 
hat question. 
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You don't want to answer that? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
I don't want to answer that question. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
What if I asked you it this way: 
Did 
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you pay somebody to get those names? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
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You didn't pay anybody to get those 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
I (silence)--
AGENT CARUANA: 
Somebody else gave them to you? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
You got them somehow on your own? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
I refrain from answering that 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Did you use those names for 
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anything else? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Do those people have to worry 
12 
about credit issues or anything like that? 
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names? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Are they real names or are they fake 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
They are real names. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
They are real names? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
But you didn't use them for 
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anything else but on that payroll list? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
I didn't use anybody's information for 
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anything -- anybody's information that I used is somehow 
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affiliated with me. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
All those people's names on that 
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71-page -- pages are somehow affiliated with you? 
There's 493 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Like I said, I've had a -- you know, a 
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high turnover. 
Without looking at the list, you know, I'm not 
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exactly sure, so I wouldn't comment on that. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
And there were no W-2s that were 
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filed for any of those people either, so - -
I mean, if you're 
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going to try to say that that was legitimate, you're going to 
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lose that one, too. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, I'm not going to say that because, 
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like I said, you know the loan was not approved based on that, 
11 it was approved based on how much money you made because the -
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rules of the PPP and the loan was approved based on how much 
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money you made instead of how many employees you had. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Well, you can try to use that as an 
16 
argument, but that's not going to fly. 
So, I mean, think 
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about that. 
I mean, once you talk to an attorney 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh- huh. 
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that. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
- -
I mean, they can counsel you on 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Do you have any questions? 
AGENT PRESSLEY: 
Yeah. 
I'm just trying to make sure 
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that I wrap my head around, when did you say Kremkov was 
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You said in Africa? 
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Yeah. 
AGENT PRESSLEY: 
What year was that? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Probably like 2015 or '14. 
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AGENT PRESSLEY: 
Okay. 
And then you came here. 
And 
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when did you originate Kremkov, because you said you had to 
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originate it here, correct? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
I just had to -- you know, I 
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just had to register it here. 
I think I registered 
I 
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registered 
I'm not exactly sure of the date, but I 
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registered it here --
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You registered it just before you got 
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your PPP loan? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Because otherwise if you didn't 
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register, you weren't going to get one, right? 
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then. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So I registered it 
AGENT CARUANA: 
And prior to that, I mean, there was 
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no US operations for Kremkov, it was all in Africa, right? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes. 
It was all in Africa, yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
And, I mean, I can hazard to 
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bet that there really wasn't any -- a whole lot of revenue 
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that you were getting in Africa for that company either? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
I mean, there was revenue. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Not a whole lot. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
There's a lot of revenue in gold. 
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Yes, there is. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
But there's nothing here in 
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the United States. 
I mean, it's all in Africa. 
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Yeah, because most of my accounts were 
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foreign accounts, so ... 
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flow. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Yeah. 
Okay. 
I'm sorry. 
Did you --
AGENT PRESSLEY: 
I'm just trying to understand the 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So you're saying that Kremkov was in 
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existence but it was really -- it had no US operations, it was 
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all overseas operations? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Until you actually registered it with 
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the Georgia Secretary of State? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
But even when you registered it to 
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Georgia Secretary of State there was no 
at that time you 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes, I didn't -- I didn't have US 
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operation with Kremkov but --
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AGENT CARUANA: 
There is no US operation with 
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No. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
right? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
But the only requirement was for the 
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company to be registered in the US for me to qualify for it. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Yeah. 
Okay. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
That was the only requirement. 
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That's why I did --
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AGENT CARUANA: 
In operation -- in operation in the 
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US by February 20th of 2020, which that's not true but --
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though. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Well 
AGENT CARUANA: 
-- that's the least of your worries, 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Yeah. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
Because, like I said, I mean, 
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when I read the rules, my understanding is like if you needed 
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to prove -- what do you call it, what do you call it -- any 
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type of operation, you needed receipts or -- what do you call 
19 it -- like invoices or stuff like that and I had some, like, 
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receipts and shipping paperwork and stuff like that to prove 
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that I was in existence in the US. 
And that's all that was 
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required of me. 
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So tell me about this bullshit W-2 
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that you filed with the IRS -- or provided with -- put on your 
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tax return showing that you had $9 million in some -- in 
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wages. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
That's not any bullshit this time. 
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With the IRS --
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You paid yourself over $9 million in 
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salary? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
The -- what you call it -- the 
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IRS, it's -- you know, it's 
what you call it -- for mining 
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industries and for -- what you call it -- mining and oil 
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industries, there's a tax credit for -- because in the first 
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year of your operation when you are digging and like, you 
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know, you are not actually making money, you are just digging 
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and dredging and stuff like that, so there's a tax credit for 
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miners and for -- what you call it -- oil companies. 
So 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You didn't take it. 
You paid 
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yourself over $9 million in wages. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, no, no. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
According to what you filed. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
I reported a loss. 
And when I 
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reported the loss -- because like when you file for that --
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You reported the loss and then you 
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got the -- the tax withholding that you said you paid into the 
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IRS back, right? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
No. 
Tell me how it happened then. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
How it works is like, okay, so for 
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mining companies and for oil companies, right, the first 
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for the first two, three years that you're in operation, most 
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of them -- it's like sort of like a research (unintelligible). 
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So if you are in -- what you call it -- mining or oil, you are 
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spending money for dredging, digging and then exploration, you 
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know. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Did you spend that money in 
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the United States? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, I didn't --
AGENT CARUANA: 
Did you spend any of that money? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Because - yes, I did. Because. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Where? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Back in Africa. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
In Africa? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, because 
AGENT CARUANA: 
You spent $9 million in Africa to 
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dredge and dig and all this other stuff? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
It's not $9 million I spent. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
-- you get the tax credit for -- what 
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you call it -- you know, there's a -- a set amount that you 
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get back for the money you spent in dredging and oil. 
And it 
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doesn't have to be in the United States because most oil 
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companies are offshore. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
And they are not -- you know, the 
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company -- the office is here but the actual dredging and 
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stuff takes place offshore and most of them are outside of the 
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United States. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
So that's why you qualify for that tax 
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credit. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Did you prepare your tax return? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yes. 
I've been preparing my tax 
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return since I was -- what you call it -- since -- what you 
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call it -- college. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Did you send federal tax 
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withholding money to the IRS at all ever? 
Well, within the 
15 last couple years? 
Did you ever -- did you have tax 
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withholding, federal tax withholding from your paychecks or 
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did you send federal tax withholding to the IRS? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, for my 
yeah, from my 
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paychecks, yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You did? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, because 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
About how much? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Honestly, I don't know because like --
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AGENT CARUANA: 
3 million? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, because 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Not 3 million? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Honestly, I don't know. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
But what I was trying to say is like 
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from my paychecks like when I was a pilot and when I'm flying 
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and stuff like that when I filed for taxes some of the time or 
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most of the time because it's foreign income --
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Yeah, because that stuff was 
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legitimate. 
I mean, the taxes you said you had withheld from 
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Kremkov was a bunch of bullshit. 
You never submitted that 
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money to the IRS to be able to get it back. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, no. 
Like I'm saying, that is tax 
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credit based on dredging. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
That's -- that's not a tax credit, 
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no. 
I mean - - and you can try to make that argument, too. 
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It's not going to win, okay? 
And what you're going to end up doing is shooting 
yourself in the foot because the benefit that 
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cooperation that you are doing, it's going to be negated by 
all the bullshit you're telling us, okay, which you don't 
~ do that . 
So think about that, all right? 
Okay? 
All 
right. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Like I said, I'm not telling you 
bullshit, I'm just trying to answer your questions to the 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
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else? 
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you're 
MR. TORJAGBO : 
- - best of my ability, you know. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
All right. 
Do you have anything 
Okay. 
Do you have any questions for us? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
No. 
Okay. 
What's going to happen is 
going to be transported down to the federal building. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Downtown Atlanta. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
And you're going to be turned over to 
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the US Marshals. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
And you' 11 have an initial hearing 
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today. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay? 
And then -- and then if you 
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have an attorney --
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
-- you'll be given an opportunity to 
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contact that person. 
Do you have an attorney? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
No. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
No? 
So if you don't have an 
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attorney, one will be appointed for you today. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay? 
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While you're in the lockup today, you're going to 
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have a number of different people come in to talk to you. 
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MR . TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay? 
They're going to try to get 
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i nformation about your history, your family, your ties to 
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t he -- you know, t o t his area, your financial situation. 
It 
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behooves you to be completely honest with them because that's 
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going to be provided to the judge and that's going to help the 
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j udge make some decisions, okay? 
All right? 
Does that make 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
So with that, unless you have any 
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questions for us, we're going t o be done. 
Okay? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Okay . 
Will I b e able to bail out? 
AGENT CARUANA: 
I don't know. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Okay. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
I don't know. 
Okay? 
Do you have -- do you have a passport at all? 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
My passport, when I broke up with my 
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ex, she stole it, so I applied to the IRS to get my 
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citizenship back so I could get my passport. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
You applied to the IRS or to the 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
To the -- to the -- DHS, yeah, to get 
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my passport back. 
So they are still processing my -- my --
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what you call it -- my citizenship certificate in order f or me 
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t o get t hat back, yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Do you have any passports from 
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a ny other countri es? 
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:MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, no, no. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Nothing? 
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:MR. TORJAGBO: 
No, no, no, no. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
All r ight . 
Any other 
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questions? 
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:MR . TORJAGBO: 
No. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
All right. 
With that, we're going to 
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conclude the interview of Ca r l Torjagbo at 10:38 AM. 
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(Part 1 of the interview of Carl Torjagbo concluded) 
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(Part 2 of the interview of Carl Torjagbo) 
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Continuation of discussion with Carl 
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Torjagbo. 
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:MR. TORJAGBO: 
You could just come to my house and 
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arrested me. 
Why did you have to come with guns and 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
We don't know who you are. 
We've got 
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to be protective of our safety. 
People hate law enforcement 
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these days . 
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:MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, I know, but you could have still 
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knocked on my door and asked me to come out and, you know, 
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just, you know, tell me, hey, you're under arrest for this and 
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this and this, and I would have complied. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
You know. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Well, we don't know that, you know. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah, but you have to have the M16s 
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and AR-15s and the --
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Well -- so this is 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
I just think it was a little bit 
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dramatic . 
It actually scared me, you know. 
I was like, who? 
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You know, I was actually thinking -- because the last two 
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times there was cop cars here and was like stolen -- they were 
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looking for stolen trucks. And you know, so, I was--
So when I 
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saw you guys, I thought it was that. 
So when I had guns drawn 
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on me, I was, what did I do? 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Well, again, we don't know who you 
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are. 
And there's a lot of people that don't like us. 
And 
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we're going home at the end of the day. 
Okay. 
And thankfully 
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you complied and nothing happened. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Okay. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
And I wish that would happen 
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all the time. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Because that would alleviate 
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p r oblems, right? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Yeah. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
So we go in to protect ourselves and 
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to protect you, okay? 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh (affirmative). 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Because we don't know what people are 
4 
going to do . 
And we try to make sure we go the best route, 
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okay? 
We'll leave it at that, all right? 
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So this is the consent to search the house. 
It's for 
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your 5114 Greythorne Lane. 
We're going to -- you give us 
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permission to use the garage door opener on your key fob --
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BMW. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh- huh . 
AGENT CARUANA: 
- - to get in the garage to take that 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
So you're 
you can refuse. 
You 
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give us your permission voluntarily. 
And we're going to take 
15 
any items that we determine to be related to the 
16 
investigation, which is going to be that BMW. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Okay. 
So I was going to ask, if I can 
18 
prove to you that the money for my personal items, which is my 
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Range Rover, my house, you know, and - - what you call it 
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the -- you know, the BMW and stuff like that came from my 
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personal income, not from PPP money, would I get those back? 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
There's a process for that . 
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advice 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Okay. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Yeah. 
I can't give you any legal 
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Legal advice, yeah. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
But there's a process for that. 
MR. TORJAGBO: 
Because honestly, you know, all the 
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money for the house and the stuff came f rom me. 
The only 
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thing I did as far as PPP is concerned is rechanneled what I 
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had into the transportation with the intent to pay it back 
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when the loan matures. 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
And, you know, it's not, you know ... 
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AGENT CARUANA: 
Okay. 
Here. 
You can sign right 
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there. 
And I'm going to sign as a witness. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Okay. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
Actually, maybe that's -- I need you 
14 
to sign here too. 
(Unintelligible). 
Actually, this is when 
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we actually take the car I think. 
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MR. TORJAGBO: 
Uh-huh. 
AGENT CARUANA: 
With that, we're going to conclude 
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the interview. 
It's now 10:44 AM. 
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