Supply Chain Resiliency and the Role of Small Manufacturers (House Small Business subcommittee hearing, April 29, 2021)
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The printed record of a hearing, Supply Chain Resiliency and the Role of Small Manufacturers, held April 29, 2021 by the Subcommittee on Economic Growth, Tax, and Capital Access of the House Committee on Small Business, Small Business Committee Document Number 117–010. Hon. Sharice Davids and Hon. Dan Meuser gave opening statements. Four witnesses testified: Claudio Dente, President of DenTec Safety Specialists, Lenexa, KS; Wes Hampp, Co-Founder and Managing Partner of Holleway Capital Partners, LLC, Overland Park, KS; Kimberly Glas, President and CEO of the National Council of Textile Organizations; and David Taylor, President and CEO of the Pennsylvania Manufacturers' Association. Additional material came from the Alliance for American Manufacturing, CATO, the Job Creators Network and others.
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SUPPLY CHAIN RESILIENCY AND THE ROLE OF
SMALL MANUFACTURERS
HEARING
BEFORE THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC GROWTH,
TAX, AND CAPITAL ACCESS
OF THE
COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
UNITED STATES
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED SEVENTEENTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION
HEARING HELD
APRIL 29, 2021
Small Business Committee Document Number 117–010
Available via the GPO Website: www.govinfo.gov
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HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
NYDIA VELÁZQUEZ, New York, Chairwoman
JARED GOLDEN, Maine
JASON CROW, Colorado
SHARICE DAVIDS, Kansas
KWEISI MFUME, Maryland
DEAN PHILLIPS, Minnesota
MARIE NEWMAN, Illinois
CAROLYN BOURDEAUX, Georgia
JUDY CHU, California
DWIGHT EVANS, Pennsylvania
ANTONIO DELGADO, New York
CHRISSY HOULAHAN, Pennsylvania
ANDY KIM, New Jersey
ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota
BLAINE LUETKEMEYER, Missouri, Ranking Member
ROGER WILLIAMS, Texas
JIM HAGEDORN, Minnesota
PETE STAUBER, Minnesota
DAN MEUSER, Pennsylvania
CLAUDIE TENNEY, New York
ANDREW GARBARINO, New York
YOUNG KIM, California
BETH VAN DUYNE, Texas
BYRON DONALDS, Florida
MARIA SALAZAR, Florida
SCOTT FITZGERALD, Wisconsin
MELISSA JUNG, Majority Staff Director
ELLEN HARRINGTON, Majority Deputy Staff Director
DAVID PLANNING, Staff Director
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CONTENTS
OPENING STATEMENTS
Page
Hon. Sharice Davids ................................................................................................ 1
Hon. Dan Meuser ..................................................................................................... 3
WITNESSES
Mr. Claudio Dente, President, DenTec Safety Specialists, Lenexa, KS .............. 6
Mr. Wes Hampp, Co-Founder & Managing Partner, Holleway Capital Part-
ners, LLC, Overland Park, KS ............................................................................ 7
Ms. Kimberly Glas, President & CEO, National Council of Textile Organiza-
tions, Washington, DC ......................................................................................... 9
Mr. David Taylor, President & CEO, Pennsylvania Manufacturers’ Associa-
tion, Harrisburg, PA ............................................................................................ 10
APPENDIX
Prepared Statements:
Mr. Claudio Dente, President, DenTec Safety Specialists, Lenexa, KS ....... 21
Mr. Wes Hampp, Co-Founder & Managing Partner, Holleway Capital
Partners, LLC, Overland Park, KS ............................................................. 26
Ms. Kimberly Glas, President & CEO, National Council of Textile Organi-
zations, Washington, DC .............................................................................. 34
Mr. David Taylor, President & CEO, Pennsylvania Manufacturers’ Asso-
ciation, Harrisburg, PA ................................................................................ 43
Questions for the Record:
None.
Answers for the Record:
None.
Additional Material for the Record:
Alliance for American Manufacturing ............................................................ 47
American Fashion Network (AFN) ................................................................. 50
CATO ................................................................................................................. 53
Job Creators Network (JCN) Statement of Carlos Ruiz ............................... 120
Job Creators Network (JCN) Statement of Guy Berkebile ........................... 121
Manufactured Housing Institute (MHI) ......................................................... 123
National Waste & Recycling Association ........................................................ 125
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SUPPLY CHAIN RESILIENCY AND THE ROLE
OF SMALL MANUFACTURERS
THURSDAY, APRIL 29, 2021
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC GROWTH,
TAX, AND CAPITAL ACCESS,
Washington, DC.
The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 1:00 p.m., via Zoom
platform. Hon. Sharice Davids [chairwoman of the Subcommittee]
presiding.
Present: Representatives Davids, Newman, Evans, Andy Kim,
Meuser, Van Duyne, and Donalds.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Good afternoon, everybody. I call this
hearing to order.
Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare a recess at
any time.
I want to thank everyone, especially our witnesses for joining us
today for our Subcommittee’s remote hearing. I want to make sure
to note some important requirements.
Let me begin by saying that the standing House and Committee
rules and practice will continue to apply during remote pro-
ceedings. All members are reminded that they are expected to ad-
here to these standing rules including decorum when they are par-
ticipating in any remote event.
With that said, the technology we are utilizing today requires us
to make some small modifications to ensure that the members can
fully participate in these proceedings. House regulations require
members to be visible through a video connection throughout the
proceeding, so please keep your cameras on. Also, if you participate
in another proceeding, please exit and log back in later.
In the event a member encounters technical issues that prevent
them from being recognized for their questioning, I will move to the
next available member of the same party. I will recognize that
member at the next appropriate time slot provided they have re-
turned to the proceeding.
Should a member’s time be interrupted by technical issues, I will
recognize that member for the next appropriate spot for the re-
mainder of their time once their issues have been resolved. In the
event a witness loses connectivity during testimony or questioning,
I will preserve their time as the staff addresses the technical issue.
I may need to recess the proceedings to provide time for the wit-
ness to reconnect.
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And finally, remember to remain muted until you are recognized
to minimize background noise.
In accordance with the rules established under H.R. 965, staff
have been advised to mute participants only in the event that there
is inadvertent background noise. Should a member wish to be rec-
ognized, they must unmute themselves and seek recognition at the
appropriate time.
All right. Well, the COVID-19 pandemic has exposed long-
standing weaknesses in global supply chains. As countries around
the world shut down to slow the spread of the virus, entire sections
of the domestic and global economies were brought to a standstill.
In the United States, businesses across every sector suffered supply
shortages. Gaps in supply chain had a substantial impact on our
fight against COVID. The scarcity of personal protective equipment
forced medical professionals on the frontlines to fight the virus
with garbage bags as gowns and coffee filters as masks.
At the same time, we saw insufficient supply in critical indus-
tries like clothing manufacturing, electronic components, and agri-
culture. In total, nearly 80 percent of U.S. businesses experienced
a disruption in their supply chain. These disruptions often hit
small businesses the hardest. Small firms regularly have limited
inventory, depend on lower costs from overseas suppliers, and do
not have the margins to sustain extended product shortages.
While small businesses are uniquely vulnerable to disruptions,
they also play a pivotal role in building more resilient supply
chains. Small firms are agile and adapt to changing market condi-
tions more quickly than large corporations. Small manufacturers
can also quickly adapt their business models to meet changing de-
mands. As we saw last year when small distillers began producing
hand sanitizer, independent manufacturers can shift operations to
meet the needs of their communities. These small domestic manu-
facturers will play a critical role as we seek to strengthen our sup-
ply chains and prepare for future economic disruption.
That is why we have to recognize the significant obstacles that
these enterprises face in a post-COVID world and work to address
those. The overall manufacturing sector could take longer than 5
years to recover to the pre-crisis GDP levels. To return to pre-pan-
demic output, factories are going to need to address various chal-
lenges related to meeting new health and sanitation requirements.
This will require the implementation of new systems, the adoption
of digital technologies to protect their workers, and modernization
in the wake of the pandemic.
To meet these challenges, small manufacturers will need reliable
access to affordable capital. Unfortunately, these firms traditionally
have a much harder time obtaining funding than their larger coun-
terparts. This leads many to rely on antiquated equipment and fa-
cilities with lower productivity. Without increased access to afford-
able capital, small manufacturers will find it difficult to find the
upgrades necessitated by the pandemic further weakening Amer-
ica’s manufacturing base.
Fortunately, the Small Business Administration has several pro-
grams in place that small manufacturers can take advantage of.
Every year, the 7(a) loan guarantee program, the 504/CDC loan
guarantee program, and the Small Business Investment Company
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Program supply small manufacturers with billions of dollars in cap-
ital on favorable terms. This money helps these businesses pay for
fixed assets, purchase new equipment, access venture capital, and
finance a variety of other expenditures. We must utilize these pro-
grams and others to strengthen our manufacturing base and avoid
future supply chain disruptions.
That is why I fought to secure $10 billion for the Defense Produc-
tion Act in the American Rescue Plan, to ramp up domestic produc-
tion of critical supplies. It is also why I recently introduced the
Supplies Act, a bill that would create $100 million grant program
to increase domestic manufacturing of medical supplies by our
small businesses. I hope that today’s hearing gives us a chance to
find more ways to empower small manufacturers and improve the
SBA lending program to serve them.
I now yield to the Ranking Member for his opening statement.
Mr. MEUSER. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. I appreciate it
very much. I certainly appreciate our witnesses appearing with us
today.
Am I coming through okay, Madam Chair? Okay, great.
Coming from a manufacturing background, I am very much look-
ing forward to this hearing and hearing from all on some ideas,
suggestions that the Federal Government and the U.S. Congress
can engage in to improve our strength and ability for small manu-
facturers, and all manufacturers for that matter. And I thank you,
Madam Chairwoman. I appreciate your convening today’s hearing
on this very important topic. Given the great influence these busi-
nesses have on our national economy, I think it is particularly ap-
propriate that we dedicate the Subcommittee’s first hearing for one
of America’s most vital industries. In fact, it is difficult to overstate
the importance of manufacturing to our economy. At a microlevel,
manufacturing is a significant job creator, reaching higher than av-
erage salaries, raising the standard of living for millions of Ameri-
cans across the country. Pennsylvania manufacturers account for
over 12 percent of the total output in the state, employing nearly
600,000 individuals directly and 10 percent of our workforce. Penn-
sylvania manufacturers help sustain millions of additional jobs up
and down the supply change. Prior to the pandemic, total manufac-
turing was almost $100 billion in 2019.
Manufacturing is also a most significant of a multiplier effect. It
generates more economic activity than any other economic sector.
For every dollar spent in manufacturing from the private sector,
another $1.89 is added to the overall economy. At a microlevel,
manufacturing drives productivity growth which drives R&D
growth.
Productivity growth is the lifeblood of technological development.
The bulk of innovation happens in manufacturing growth from
other sectors and springs from innovation within the sector. Given
its significance, this hearing should help us understand top con-
cerns threatening the industry. The workforce crisis in manufac-
turing in Pennsylvania, and I am sure in most states, is exas-
perated by the gradual retirement of an aging workforce and nega-
tive perception of manufacturing by the younger generation. That
is why we need more tours and more career technical investments
because these manufacturing facilities are far cleaner and they are
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not the traditional manufacturing of our fathers’ days. A skills gap
resulting from declining science, technology engineering in the U.S.
and the inability to recruit qualified candidates in skilled produc-
tion line positions. These struggles are only one piece of the broad-
er picture.
Outsourcing of U.S. manufacturing to foreign nations, from
China, most of Southeast Asia and down the list, we have driven
supply chains vulnerable to failure and exploitation by foreign ac-
tors weakening our national position in defense, health, and all
other sectors. The aggressive economic tactics by competitive Na-
tions creating global market distortions which will depress competi-
tion.
On top of all this, the maze of Federal acquisition processes, like
the contract timelines and emergency clearances and accounting re-
quirements creates significant hurdlers for U.S. manufacturers and
all businesses for that matter seem to grow and thrive in the Fed-
eral marketplace, as well as a tendency for the U.S. not to create
the most competitive atmosphere and truly appreciate that is what
draws manufacturing to the U.S. from other countries who compete
on a global scale. All manufacturers in particular hit hardest by
such challenges.
Even though the overall picture might seem quite challenging,
the silver lining in this is the power of the small manufacturers
will reshape our Nation. Many small manufacturers do not make
finished products but are a source for many domestic manufactur-
ers of finished products. From my business career in manufac-
turing, close to 25 years, I know firsthand the importance of reli-
able, quality, cost-effective, financially solvent supply chain.
Given any impact to small manufacturers, positive or negative
that can cause a significant ripple throughout the rest of our econ-
omy, we as members of Congress need to consider carefully our
policies and their impact on these essential businesses, especially
now as we are recovering from the pandemic. In short, manufac-
turing matters. I look forward to the testimony of the witnesses
today and I yield back. Thank you.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Thank you, Mr. Meuser. The gentleman
yields back.
I would like to take a moment to explain how this remote hear-
ing will proceed. Each witness will have 5 minutes to provide a
statement, and each Committee member will have 5 minutes for
questions. Please ensure that your microphone is on when you
begin speaking and that you return to mute when you have fin-
ished.
I would now like to introduce our witnesses.
Our first witness is Mr. Claudio Dente. Mr. Dente is the presi-
dent of Dentec Safety Specialists, a manufacturer of personal pro-
tective equipment located in Lenexa, Kansas, which is in my home
district. His business had to pivot at the height of the pandemic in
order to meet the sharp increase in demand for PPE and face se-
vere supply chain management challenges. I am looking forward to
hearing about how Dentec adapted to the market conditions
brought on by the pandemic. Welcome, Mr. Dente.
Our second witness is Mr. Wes Hampp. Mr. Hampp is the co-
founder and managing partner of Holleway Capital Partners, an
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SBA-licensed small business investment company (SBIC) located in
my district that targets small manufacturers in the Greater Mid-
west and Southern U.S. His insights are critical for us to learn how
SBA’s capital programs, such as SBIC, can play a role in helping
finance the future of our domestic manufacturing base. Welcome,
Mr. Hampp.
And then our third witness today is Ms. Kimberly Glas, presi-
dent and CEO of the National Council of Textile Organizations.
NCTO represents and advocates for domestic textile manufactur-
ers, the vast majority of whom are small businesses. Prior to join-
ing NCTO, Ms. Glass held positions at the Department of Com-
merce as the deputy assistant secretary for textiles, consumer
goods and materials, and led the Blue Green Alliance. Your long
history and expertise in this industry will certainly help us craft
a path forward for small business manufacturers. Welcome, Ms.
Glass.
And I would like to now yield to our Ranking Member, Mr.
Meuser, to introduce our final witness.
Mr. MEUSER. I thank you, Madam Chairwoman, very much.
I would like to welcome our final witness who is from the great
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Mr. David Taylor. Mr. Taylor is
the president and chief executive officer of the Pennsylvania Manu-
facturers’ Association (PMA), the century-old statewide trade orga-
nization representing the hardworking manufacturers throughout
the Commonwealth. PMA is the official Pennsylvania state partner
of the National Association of Manufacturers (MAN), the Nation’s
foremost advocate for manufacturers representing 14,000 member
companies across the country in every industrial sector. Mr. Taylor
brings with him a wealth of knowledge and experience having
spent over 2 decades with PMA as its spokesman in the state cap-
itol and as a leader. Mr. Taylor is a frequently sought-after guest
and commentator by media outlets across the Commonwealth, and
we are fortunate to have him here with us today.
In addition to his role at PMA, Mr. Taylor serves as Chairman
of the Pennsylvania Leadership Council. He is a member of the
American Institute’s Leadership Network. He currently serves as a
member of the Executive Committee of the Conference of State
Manufacturers’ Association. He is on the Board of Directors of the
Pennsylvania Steel Alliance, Foundation for Free Enterprise Edu-
cation, Business Industry Political Action Committee, the Lincoln
Institute for Public Opinion Research. He serves as the board presi-
dent of REACH cyber charter school, an online public school pro-
viding a broad range of science, technology, engineering, and math
enrichment of students. Prior to joining PMA, Mr. Taylor worked
for the United States Senate and the Senate of Pennsylvania. He
is a native of Huntington, Pennsylvania where I was just last
weekend and a graduate of Dickinson College.
Mr. Taylor, thank you for all that you do for Pennsylvania and
for your participation today. We look forward to your testimony
and I yield back.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Thank you for doing that introduction.
Mr. Dente, we are going to go ahead and get started. You are
recognized for 5 minutes.
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STATEMENTS OF CLAUDIO DENTE, PRESIDENT, DENTEC SAFE-
TY SPECIALISTS; WES HAMPP, CO-FOUNDER & MANAGING
PARTNER, HOLLEWAY CAPITAL PARTNERS, LLC; KIMBERLY
GLAS, PRESIDENT & CEO, NATIONAL COUNCIL OF TEXTILE
ORGANIZATIONS; DAVID TAYLOR, PRESIDENT & CEO, PENN-
SYLVANIA MANUFACTURERS’ ASSOCIATION
STATEMENT OF CLAUDIO DENTE
Mr. DENTE. Sorry about that. Wrong button.
I appreciate it very much, Madam Chair. I appreciate the oppor-
tunity to participate in this conversation.
I would like to let you know first that I am a 41-year veteran
of personal protective equipment and manufacturing, distribution,
and design. I know nothing but this industry. I am going to share
with you my journey through this experience.
I purchased a respirator manufacturing operation located in the
Kansas City, Kansas area called U.S. Safety. That company had
been manufacturing reusable respirators, filters, and cartridges for
some 40-plus odd years. My interest in the business was because
respiratory protection is a critical product in our industry and be-
cause I have been through all the viruses, and I wanted to be able
to bring a product to market that was manufactured and assem-
bled in the United States.
The effect of COVID, what happened, I was in New York when
it first hit. I was traveling on business. It was in February. The
news started to spread. From New York I went to Kansas and
then, of course, COVID blew up. It was like something I have never
seen or experienced, all of us have. Quickly, the supply or dispos-
able N95 respirators, surgical masks from overseas, and also from
domestic supply completely collapsed. Nothing was available.
Fortunately for us and our business, we manufacture reusable
rubber half masks and an N95 filter in our facility. We quickly de-
ployed a marketing campaign to the marketplace, and it became an
incredible success because we were able to help not only healthcare
workers but general industry for those that could keep working.
However, folks, the orders were overwhelming for a company of our
size. They were massive. They continued to hit us with orders
every single day.
My team worked 6-, 7-day weeks, 2 shifts, 10-12 hour days. I do
not know how they did it and I do not know how they still do it.
God bless them. We experienced everything that you could imag-
ine—raw material shortages, equipment breakdowns, employees
coming and going. Very, very difficult. So, in summary, surge de-
mand orders, which I had been through in the past unlike what I
have seen here during COVID, are absolutely enormous. Not only
for a small business but also for a big business.
And the challenges that when you have to set up and get going
are equipment, which are molds. Everything I make is plastic or
rubber, so we are dependent on molds and injection molding ma-
chines. We are dependent on cycle time. My product has a lot of
hand assembly to it. So, you have to make arrangements to acquire
those goods in a fashionable time. Fortunately, we received a grant
and funding from the CARE/SPARKS program, and we have mod-
ernized our facility in a manner that I did not dream was possible
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in the next 10 years. The next time you come, Ms. Davids, I think
you will be quite impressed.
We also had enormous space challenges, as you can appreciate.
When you have to make product of this magnitude, it is absolutely
incredible. So, all of these are expenses that we have to incur. And
as an entrepreneur and an owner of a business, you are fearful of
committing yourself beyond when the pandemic resides.
So, a couple of recommendations that I would like to pose to the
Committee are that instead of not only subsidizing people during
a time, critical businesses like ours, help us hire people by sub-
sidizing an additional wage to them, an hourly wage. Rather, this
would create tax income as well and not just debt.
Staffing, of course, was a challenge to hire people. What I ask,
when you identify critical businesses such as ours, perhaps we
could have access to some military personnel to help us ramp up.
They are process oriented, great workers, wonderful personalities,
and if we could have access to people like that for a short period
of time while we ramp up it would make an enormous difference
for us as a business.
And then finally, financing. We want to be careful again as an
entrepreneur and an owner, I do not want to extend myself beyond
because it as quickly as COVID came upon us, all of a sudden it
will stop and then you are stuck with the overhead, capital invest-
ment and so forth and loans. So, my suggestion would be to—of
course, grants are fantastic for those that are worthy of it, but also
loans in a manner that are not as challenging and maybe recognize
the concerns of when the event subsides. Thank you very much.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Mr. Hampp, you are now recognized for
5 minutes.
STATEMENT OF WES HAMPP
Mr. HAMPP. Thank you, Chair Davids, Ranking Member
Meuser, and members of the Subcommittee. Thank you for inviting
me to testify at this important hearing.
My name is Wes Hampp. As Chair Davids said, I am a cofounder
and managing partner of Holloway Capital Partners. We are a
small business investment company (SBIC). We are headquartered
in St. Louis but we have an office in Overland Park, Kansas where
I sit. We focus on investing in small manufacturers throughout the
Midwest.
I am going to highlight several challenges with the U.S. supply
chain we are experiencing in our portfolio companies and suggest
a few solutions.
Challenge 1. COVID-19 exposed our country’s massive reliance
on China and our supply chain across nearly all industry sectors.
While U.S. businesses compete successfully in a global economic
environment, there are positive economic arguments for global sup-
ply chains but COVID-19 exposed an urgent need for more domes-
tic manufacturing to reduce our reliance on imports.
Manufacturing is an interconnected ecosystem where the impacts
on any one business can affect other associated businesses. The
Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) was a lifesaver and helped sta-
bilize the financial uncertainty many small businesses faced in the
early days of the pandemic. Today, however, domestic supply
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chains are in a state of chaos. Prices are rising, in some cases 25
percent week to week, and lead times have been extended in some
cases four times longer than pre-pandemic levels. PPP allowed
many small businesses to surge back but many of their larger com-
pany suppliers lost their workforces and were unable to quickly re-
start and return to pre-pandemic production levels which has led
to domestic supply chain disruptions.
After COVID-19 hit last year, some large companies that supply
products to smaller manufacturers stopped making growth invest-
ments, shuttered capacity, and even laid off employees. As demand
rebounded in late 2020 and so far this year, these larger suppliers
are now struggling to hire and train employees to ramp output to
meet demand. In some cases, it appears that supply chain disrup-
tions may have been an unintended consequence of limiting PPP to
small businesses.
Challenge 3, our biggest challenge facing small manufacturers is
labor supply. Small manufacturers are unable to find employees to
fill open positions which is hindering our growth. In some cases,
our companies have raised starting wages 20 percent but positions
remain unfulfilled. This issue is currently more acute for unskilled
entry-level positions but is a challenge for skilled labor as well.
These are the key challenges. Let me offer a few solutions.
Solution 1. Access to patient capital is critical for domestic small
businesses in order to keep the U.S. competitive and strengthen
supply chains. Since SBICs invest exclusively in domestic compa-
nies, and heavily in manufacturing, they are an excellent vehicle
to get capital to small manufacturers. Congress should support
policies that reward and encourage SBIC investments and not do
anything to hinder the program’s success. Particularly, lawmakers
should support more equity investing in U.S. small businesses that
otherwise need to rely on debt financing where in some cases eq-
uity is more appropriate.
Congress should write tax policies that encourage, not discour-
age, long-term investing in America’s small businesses. Before Con-
gress doubles the capital gains rate, I would implore you to con-
sider what doing so would do to small business owners across the
country, especially older entrepreneurs that are beginning to ex-
plore retirement. Small business owners build their businesses over
years, even the majority of a lifetime. They typically get to sell that
investment once. And when the entrepreneur sells their business
it is commonly going to generate more than $1 million in income
but that nest egg kind of becomes what they expect to live on for
the rest of their lives. If capital gains taxes are raised, there should
be serious consideration given to investments in American small
businesses.
Solution 3. Our leaders in government, business, and education
should work together to promote and provide opportunities to learn
skilled trades through apprenticeships and technical education.
Finding workers is one of the biggest problems in the manufac-
turing sector and it is holding back small business growth and na-
tional economic growth. Four-year college degrees are not for every-
one and people can make good livings working in the trades and
support manufacturing. And these types of careers should be sup-
ported and encouraged.
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Thank you again for the opportunity to testify before the Sub-
committee, and I welcome your questions.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Thank you, Mr. Hampp.
Ms. Glas, you are now recognized for 5 minutes.
STATEMENT OF KIMBERLY GLAS
Ms. GLAS. Thank you so much for the opportunity to testify be-
fore you today. I am the president and CEO of the National Coun-
cil of Textile Organizations and I represent the domestic textile in-
dustry and the 539,000 workers it employs. We are predominantly
comprised of small businesses.
Today’s focus on supply chains and bolstering our small busi-
nesses is an incredible opportunity. There are immense challenges
faced by our industry as a result of this pandemic. Literally, over-
night, billions of orders were canceled. And I was looking out at an
industry that was really confronting bankruptcy.
In the spring of last year when PPE shortages were hitting every
front line, and workers were wearing garbage bags as gowns or
reusing N95 masks, our industry really stepped up. But it is impor-
tant for me to highlight that the reason that these supply chains
broke down was that our predominant supply for these items was
in China. And Chinese subsidies, coupled with significant global
demand, exacerbated by export controls placed by the Chinese on
certain products and raw materials, had a cascading impact that
we were reading on the front pages.
Simply put, it was like fighting a fire with a garden hose on
every front. U.S. textile manufacturers quickly mobilized. Virtually
overnight, our members were able to retool supply chains to make
over a billion face masks, isolation gowns, and other textile compo-
nents. In fact, I am in New York’s garment district right now and
this garment district played a significant role in retooling their
supply chain.
In order to help the Nation’s PPE crisis, manufacturers retooled
overnight, but they had to purchase expensive equipment at a time
when capital was really uncertain and at a considerable expense.
In addition, industry needed to expend significant resources to en-
sure safe workplaces to get workers back to work and purchase the
raw materials necessary to making lifesaving PPE. Please note
that while PPE was important for our frontline workers, it did not
make up for the significant loss of orders of normal business in our
industry. Industrial expenses were vast and wide-ranging, includ-
ing everything from health and safety measures, to thermometers,
to more pay for workers, to bringing them back on the job. We ap-
preciate that there are many solutions necessary for small textile
manufacturers to weather the challenges of the pandemic and the
crisis that we are still confronting.
For many of our small businesses, SBS programs serve an impor-
tant role. Many of our companies take advantage of everything
from the Paycheck Protection Program to Main Street lending, 7(a)
loans and 504 loans. Our members really appreciate the aspect of
the SBA loans, including the lower down payment and extended
payment term. These advantages, however, are sometimes offset by
other factors that disincentivize their use. And I have several key
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solutions to project for the Committee, and for you all to consider
moving forward.
First, we think that we need to reform our domestic procurement
rules for federal purchases of PPE. Right now, we need to extend
the Berry Amendment rules for our military for PPE items that are
purchased by other agencies across the Federal Government. We
appreciate the president’s ‘‘Build Back Better’’ initiative to
strengthen our supply chains, but we need legislation to move for-
ward. We want to highlight that Congressman McHenry from
North Carolina and Congressman Bill Pascrell from New Jersey
have co-sponsored the American PPE Supply Chain Integrity Act
which does just that.
In addition, we believe that there needs to be more tools and in-
vestments in small businesses to manufacture these products mov-
ing forward. We appreciate the support for the Defense Production
Act, but we also need Federal protection grants and tax credits to
ensure manufacturing capacity.
Chairwoman Davids, I want to highlight your bill as well. The
$100 million fund set aside for small businesses is an important
tool moving forward, but we need more tools moving ahead.
Further, private sector investment is important to U.S. supply
chains and can be bolstered by contracting reforms that promote
long-term contracts for U.S. suppliers. We need a demand signal.
In fact, our industry is starting to see orders dry up for PPE. We
have had 60-day contracts and 90-day contracts. We need certain
set-asides for small businesses, but we should ensure that when we
are providing contracts to small businesses, those companies can
deliver and have the capital necessary to help the U.S. Govern-
ment.
And the last recommendation I had is to ensure that the SBA
loan process is streamlined and that communication is better with
borrowers. During the height of the pandemic, it was difficult for
some of our manufacturers to tap into the resources because they
simply did not know where the paperwork trail would eventually
begin.
Our industry is ready to work with this Committee. I want to
amplify the comments made about workforce. We really do need
more funding to help bring workers back on the job, and our indus-
try stands ready to help this Committee in any way possible.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Thank you, Ms. Glas.
And Mr. Taylor, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
STATEMENT OF DAVID TAYLOR
Mr. TAYLOR. Thank you, Chairwoman Davids and Ranking
Member Meuser and members of the Subcommittee, thank you for
the privilege of testifying today.
As Congressman Meuser was so kind to introduce me, I am
David Taylor. I am the president and CEO of the Pennsylvania
Manufacturers’ Association. We are the statewide not-for-profit
group representing the people who make things and Pennsylvania’s
public policy sector. I also want to thank Congressman Evans from
Philadelphia, my great friend. It is good to see you, sir.
I want to express three important points. First, the workforce cri-
sis is real and is a hard cap on America’s economic growth. Second,
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the Federal Government becomes a competitor to employers when
it pays people more to stay home than they would earn at work.
And third, Congress can help address the workforce crisis by work-
ing with the states to reinvent the existing tangle of taxpayer-fund-
ed workforce development and job training programs. And I will ex-
pand on each of those points as I go on.
Manufacturing is the sector of our economy that adds the most
value, pays the highest wages and benefits, and has the strongest
multiplier effect on job creation. No matter what product is being
made, manufacturing takes raw materials or component parts and
goes through a multi-stage process to yield a finished good, almost
always consuming a large amount of energy and usually deploying
some kind of chemical process. Because of that multi-stage process
of adding value, manufacturing sustains not only the jobs on the
plant floor but also jobs through supply chains, distribution net-
works, and vendors of industrial services. In that way, the major
manufacturer is often the small business owner’s best customer.
I know the Subcommittee is looking to examine the supply
chains for small business, however the most critical input that is
lacking for manufacturers today is the supply of qualified workers.
Nationally, manufacturers are facing an alarming problem: our
workforce is aging and retiring and there is a shortage of skilled
hands to succeed them. Pennsylvania is no exception to this prob-
lem. According to our sources at the Manufacturing Institute, at
any given point in time there are about 6,000 open manufacturing
positions in Pennsylvania. When you couple the current shortage
with the fact that some companies have more than half of their
current workforce within just a few years of retirement, then we
could consider this workforce problem a workforce crisis. The man-
ufacturing sector and the workforce at large face an increasingly
pressing problem: the glut of unfilled jobs due to a skills gap. As
a result of employers’ inability to find enough qualified new hires,
businesses are not able to grow to meet current levels of customer
demand. Those employers are ‘‘leaving money on the table’’ because
they cannot find the quality employees they need to increase pro-
duction capacity to be able to bid on new work, which is available.
This is what I am trying to express when I say that the workforce
crisis is a hard cap on growth.
Of course, to get people into the workforce, they first have to
want to work. This is one of the problems of the current moment
because of Congress’s policy of subsidizing state unemployment
compensation payments. The Federal Government was correct to
respond to the needs of our citizens caused by the economic shut-
down triggered by the pandemic. Many people are still dealing with
both the health crisis and the economic consequences of the shut-
down. The impulse to be generous is understandable, but regret-
tably, the Federal taxpayer subsidy to state unemployment benefits
is keeping many employees out of the workforce.
One final thought that I want to share with you concerns the ef-
ficacy of the Nation’s job training and workforce development pro-
grams. In Pennsylvania, roughly $2 billion dollars in state and
Federal taxpayer money is spent annually on more than four dozen
programs that run through at least five different state cabinet
agencies. Following a 2019 audit of the state’s workforce develop-
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ment system, Pennsylvania’s Auditor General at the time, Demo-
crat Eugene DePasquale said, and I quote, ‘‘I think it needs to be
restructured entirely. You have to envision nothing exists right
now and how you would create it. None of us would have it look
the way it does today.’’
I am convinced that there are hundreds of millions of dollars in
efficiencies that could be realized if Pennsylvania, working in part-
nership with Congress and the respective Federal departments,
could realign, rework, and move dollars between programs. The ex-
isting waiver process has been used to great effect by the state of
Indiana, and I would recommend using their experience as a model
for future reforms.
So thanks again for the great honor of speaking with you and I
will do my best to answer your questions.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Thank you, Mr. Taylor. And thank you to
all our witnesses. We appreciate your expertise and everything you
have shared today.
We will go ahead and get started with the questions. I will begin
by recognizing myself for 5 minutes.
Mr. Dente, in your testimony you gave both recommendations
and a bit about the story of the difficulty that you faced in pivoting
and transitioning. I am wondering if you could speak specifically to
the challenges that Dentec faced while searching for capital to
produce the N95s during the height of their shortage here domesti-
cally.
Mr. DENTE. Thank you. Please understand, I do not manufac-
ture disposable N95s. We manufacture reusable product. Right? So
again, when the volume of orders which were massive came to us,
right now I am self-funded but I was at a point where I was saying,
what the heck am I going to do? We were fortunate when the
CARES Act grant program came out, we qualified for that. We also
qualified for a loan from the Department of Commerce for Kansas
as well. Had I not qualified for those programs I would have had
to go to the street, but the problem is the speed, trying to get
things accomplished during a chaotic time like that, I do not know
how we would have done it. Do not know how we would have done
it. I hope that answers.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Thank you, Mr. Dente.
I am going to switch over. Mr. Hampp, I know that a lot of man-
ufacturers had to reassess their supply chains following the pan-
demic-related disruptions and realized that there was a lot of risk
and vulnerability in the supply chains that they were making use
of. I am wondering if you could tell us a little bit about the role
that SBICs can play in establishing a more stable supply chain for
our small and mid-size domestic manufacturers.
Mr. HAMPP. Sure. I will talk about, you know, we focus on man-
ufacturing. And you know, as the supply chain stretched out and
it became very difficult, prices are increasing regularly. Sometimes
products that we would get come just in time basis were not even
available. What we did was we encouraged our portfolio companies
to invest in inventory. To take down as much inventory as they
could as quickly as they could to get through what was an uncer-
tain time. Again, the PPP program helped. But what happens in
those situations where we have a company that needs capital to ad-
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dress a short-term issue, the SBICs would typically stand behind
those portfolio companies and inject capital if needed. But all of our
companies were able to, through the PPP loan, keep employees em-
ployed and then they had capacity to buy the inventory more than
they would normally hold to get through the situation. But know-
ing that you have got a financial partner in an SBIC makes mak-
ing that investment easier unlike Claudio. You know, it is not all
on the individual to source that capital when you have an institu-
tional investor alongside as an investor.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. I appreciate that.
I guess in the remaining time, Ms. Glas, I would love to hear
from you. You mentioned quite a bit in your testimony, and as you
know, last year I introduced the Supplies Act which would provide
grant funding to small manufacturers who are able to produce PPE
and other emergency medical items during the crisis. I am curious
if you see a role for the SBA and other Federal agencies to support
domestic PPE manufacturing in the long term.
Ms. GLAS. Absolutely. In fact, our industry collectively is really
seeking a long-term Federal Government plan associated with
onshoring PPE production. Our industry responded, provided mate-
rials for the Strategic National Stockpile, FEMA, and Defense Lo-
gistics Agency. And with the kind of investment that you are talk-
ing about in your bill—about people being able to invest in manu-
facturing equipment—we can be a globally competitive industry.
There is no doubt our industry has become much more efficient
since March of last year when they were making products for the
first time. They want to invest in equipment in their manufac-
turing facilities to be more globally competitive, but they also want
a strong demand signal. We think working with the Small Business
Committee here; the SBA leveraging those loans or grant opportu-
nities; and working with your agency partners across the Federal
Government on procurement policies and long-term contracts will
ensure that this small business community is supported in the long
term, so that we are bringing these supply chains home and re-
shoring essential production like PPE.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Thank you, Ms. Glas.
And thank you to everyone who answered my questions. My time
is now expired.
The Ranking Member, Mr. Meuser, is now recognized for 5 min-
utes.
Mr. MEUSER. Thank you again, Madam Chair.
Pennsylvania, my home state, the great Commonwealth of Penn-
sylvania, is known as a manufacturing state. We have a long his-
tory of coal, steel, garments is mentioned. Concrete, masonry, fab-
ricators, candy, beer, crayons, guitars, batteries, airplanes to name
a few. We have, however, suffered over the last several years or
over the last we will say 40 years and for the last several years
we made somewhat of a comeback.
Mr. Taylor, you and I both know well the statewide burdens that
exist in Pennsylvania related to taxes and regulations. Can you
speak about the importance of natural gas on how natural gas cre-
ates competitiveness for our small and large manufacturers?
Mr. TAYLOR. Yes, sir. I will be glad to.
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Mr. MEUSER. As well as provides what is necessary for manu-
facturing?
Mr. TAYLOR. Yes, sir. I will be glad to do my best with that.
So in 2005, the Marcellus Shale Play was discovered and starting
2008, production began in earnest. And the discovery really is
world historic. We are talking about trillions of recoverable feet of
natural gas. And so this has helped very much to power our econ-
omy, but in thinking about what the other testifier said about the
need to reshore supply chains, that Pennsylvania, along with hav-
ing the methane, the natural gas that is used for fuel and for elec-
tricity generation and industrial furnaces, that we also have abun-
dant natural gas that comes with natural gas byproducts—ethane,
butane, pentane, propane, and natural gasoline and that there has
been an $8 billion investment by Royal Dutch Shell in Western
Pennsylvania for a facility to produce polyethylene, which again is
at the top of a value chain that can derive every kind of plastic,
Styrofoam and rubber and every kind of coating in the market-
place. So that domestic source of this industrial input I think is
critical to making our supply chains resilient and price competitive
domestically.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Thank you, Mr. Taylor. It appears as
though our Ranking Member might have had a technical difficulty
and dropped off. I think that we will probably come back with ap-
proximately 2 minutes 40 seconds remaining for the Ranking Mem-
ber’s questioning and then hopefully he will get to get back on this
so he can finish his questions.
So I think what we will do is go next to Rep. Marie Newman
from Illinois. You are recognized for 5 minutes.
Ms. NEWMAN. well, thank you, Chairwoman. And thank you,
Ranking Member. I hope you come back soon.
So thank you to all our guests this afternoon. It has been great
hearing your testimony. And thank you for offering solutions. We
love it when guests come with both problem and solution, so thank
you for that.
I am going to I think start with Ms. Glas because I think she
is the logical person to ask this question. But I would open it to
others if they have commentary.
In Illinois 3, we have an unusually high concentration of manu-
facturers, and I work with a partner organization called IMEC here
in Illinois. And I think it is well-known in the industrial Midwest,
we have a lot of micromanufacturers. So in my district, about 70
percent of all manufacturers are under 20 employees. And what
that means is that that is a huge employment base but we are par-
ticularly productive. And so with that I have a couple of questions
around that.
Those are the types of manufacturers that have kind of suffered
the most around things like reshoring. What I mean by that is that
I am a fan of bringing everything back here and making sure our
workforce and our production process, our supply chain and our
partners stay here. Some of the things that I think are helpful in
that mix are incentivizing business partners. And so I guess I
wanted to hear what your thoughts are on incentivizing the cus-
tomers of our micromanufacturers so that they buy here, stay here,
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workforce is here, all of those good things. So I will put myself on
pause and I would love for you to give us your thoughts.
Ms. GLAS. Congressman, thank you so much for that question.
You know, it is clear to me that you are very proud of the work
that is being done in your congressional district and the ingenuity
that exists with a lot of those small manufacturers in a really dy-
namic period of time.
When you look at the customers for PPE, the biggest buyer is not
the U.S. Government. It is an important buyer, okay, and we need
to make sure we get all those roles right and help reshore produc-
tion. But I think a lot of our manufacturers, similar to yours, are
looking to sell their products in the private marketplace—to hos-
pitals, to other kinds of customers. And are there ways that Con-
gress can incentivize the customers or even incentivize the actual
manufacturers to produce these products or purchase these prod-
ucts. We, as an industry, have all collectively been talking about
the fact that there may be unique arrangements that can be made
with hospitals and nursing homes and others that would get an in-
centive for buying Made in the USA product or get a better Medi-
care-Medicaid reimbursement rate as a result. I think this is a
time for creative thinking, similar to the micro-manufacturers in
your district who all probably came together in unique partner-
ships during this period; to think about what it would take to actu-
ally bring some of these production teams on shore and how to
incentivize the private marketplace.
Ms. NEWMAN. And if any of our other guests have any sugges-
tions, I am all ears.
If you would like to go, Claudio, that would be great to hear from
you.
Mr. DENTE. I am sorry; I keep pressing the button up there, not
down there. I apologize for that, Representative Newman, thank
you. Great comments there, Kim.
The issue is not the end user. And I hope there are no distribu-
tors on this call. Distribution is what I sell through, and they are
the people, the carrier to move product to the end-user. The dis-
tributors are the challenge because they are the ones that do not
want to disrupt their current supply chain which may be overseas.
Right? So, your idea, Kim, about incentivizing the end-user is
great.
So, think about it like this: in our industries, in all industries,
there are buying groups. And buying groups create and collect re-
bates. So why not create some type of rebate program, some type
of funds that go back to the end-user that rewards them for work-
ing with American made manufacturers. That is my comment.
Ms. NEWMAN. Great. Any of our other guests like to share any
thoughts?
Mr. TAYLOR. Yes, if I may.
Ms. NEWMAN. David.
Mr. TAYLOR. Thank you very much.
The kind of smaller companies that you are describing, very im-
portant job creators, very important part of the overall ecosystem
of manufacturing. The smaller companies are more vulnerable to
disruptions and to pitfalls. One of the things about the pandemic
that has been hard to see is that you had companies that really
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stuck their necks out by retooling to go from the product that they
knew to do something different that was needed to cope with the
pandemic, whether it was the distillers putting out hand sanitizer
or there was a company in Pennsylvania that would make airplane
parts and they converted over to make ventilator parts. These com-
panies took a risk and one of the things that they really need from
Congress is some kind of safe harbor for protection against preda-
tory lawsuits. And that is something that in good faith I would like
to see Congress take up.
Ms. NEWMAN. When you say ‘‘predatory lawsuits,’’ give me an
example, David.
Mr. TAYLOR. Well, I mean, just being exploited——
Chairwoman DAVIDS. The gentlelady’s time has expired.
Ms. NEWMAN. Oh, okay.
Mr. TAYLOR. Okay. Well, I will do my best to respond just to
say that opportunistic, inevitably when you are doing something
new you do not get it 100 percent right the first time.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Mr. Taylor, thank you for the follow up.
Thank you.
Ms. NEWMAN. Thank you, Chairwoman. Thank you, Chair-
woman.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Thank you. And we are actually going to
go back to Ranking Member Meuser who has returned. I believe
you had about 2 minutes and 45 seconds left.
Mr. MEUSER. Thank you, Madam Chair. I apologize about that
operational difficulty.
So Mr. Taylor, thanks for your answer related to natural gas.
Obviously, very important from a competitive standpoint as well as
manufacturing via the packer plants.
At the Federal level, what can we do? You brought up workforce
development. On a Federal level, what are your suggestions pro-
viding for a stronger, more available workforce availability, as well
as comment on do you believe that manufacturers who are not
being able to bring their workforce into their operation today will
invest in robotics and other machines so as those manufacturing
jobs could be done forever if they do not get fulfilled within the
next year?
Mr. TAYLOR. Okay, Congressman, I will try to respond to that.
Certainly, the trend towards automation continues at pace. And
new technologies enable manufacturers to innovate and increase
their operational tempo. And so as a result of those technology effi-
ciencies that you see the manufacturing workforce tighten but that
those jobs that remain become much more valuable. You know, cer-
tainly to have a pro-growth, pro-production agenda for American
manufacturing, valuing the way that manufacturing is a positive
dynamic for the quality of life for our citizens, certainly in the com-
munities where a manufacturing entity is located, they are also,
along with being major employers they are also major taxpayers
which makes them important to state and local government as
well. So it is just the whole spectrum of competitiveness and hav-
ing our Federal Government recognize the contribution of domestic
manufacturing and to support it through all of those competitive
fundamentals. As for the workforce issue, I have got to say it is the
phoniest most multifaceted challenge that we face. I do think that
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the one opportunity that is before us as I mentioned, is working to
reinvent our highly fragmented job training and workforce develop-
ment system. If Congress would partner with the states to help to
rationalize that, and I am not just asking for the feds to block
grants although that would be awesome, but to work in partner-
ship to allow the state authorities to realign the program, to move
money between the silos, I think that there are huge savings that
could be realized. And again, we could get more bang out of what
is being spent without having to increase expenditures.
Mr. MEUSER. Thank you.
The plan to increase corporate net income tax, income taxes, cap-
ital gains tax, what effect will that have on U.S. manufacturing?
Mr. TAYLOR. It is very negative. And I would say that there
were two really positive things from the previous administration’s
tax changes. Number one, bringing the rate down to just slightly
below the OECD average, that that greatly improved competitive-
ness. And also, that there was an existing penalty as it were for
U.S. companies that earned profits overseas that prevented them
from bringing that money back to the U.S. I actually know of one
instance where a company in Minnesota, it was easier for them to
invert and become a foreign company to be able to reinvest their
overseas earnings back in the U.S. and that is just perverse. We
do not want that. We want American global corporate leadership.
And so I would argue very strongly against changing the improve-
ments that were recently made.
Mr. MEUSER. Thank you. I yield back, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Thank you. The Ranking Member yields
back.
And next I would like to recognize Rep. Evans for 5 minutes.
Mr. EVANS. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank the
Ranking Member. It is good to see Mr. Taylor. It is a pleasure.
Ms. Glas, you stated that the U.S. needed stronger workforce
training programs. What percentage of textile manufacturing busi-
nesses provide on-the-job training? Would on-the-job training be
more flexible with government assistance? And what tools do tex-
tile manufacturers need to do more recruiting?
Ms. GLAS. This is a quintessential and timely question, Con-
gressman Evans. You know, actually, business is starting to come
back but we simply do not have the workforce to fulfill the orders,
which is a missed opportunity for our industry. Our industry does
provide onsite worker training. We do heavy recruitment at tech-
nical colleges. A lot of our manufacturers do not have 4-year de-
grees. There is a pathway forward for good paying jobs in our field,
but we are having a hard time retaining a workforce in this envi-
ronment. And so if there are incentives or ways to help bolster the
domestic supply chain in clusters for textile manufacturers to re-
cruit additional workers, or ways to incentivize small manufactur-
ers to actually help pay some of their workforce an additional
bonus to work during this time, those are all important tools in the
toolbox. But right now it is a real challenge across our industry to
retain a workforce in this environment. And part of it is because
COVID has impacted manufacturers’ ability. People are staying at
home with their children. I mean, lives have been disrupted incred-
ibly and it has been really hard to recruit people back into the
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workforce because they have other things that are pulling at them
at this time.
Mr. EVANS. Thank you.
I yield back the balance of my time, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Thank you. The gentleman yields back.
Next, I would like to recognize Rep. Van Duyne for 5 minutes.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Great. Thank you.
I think all the panelists today have hit on issues with the work-
force. Mr. Taylor, you made a point in your testimony that small
employers are having to compete with the Federal Government for
workers thanks to the luxurious unemployment benefits that are
being offered currently. So not only is the Federal Government
hurting employers with extended benefits, but they are also stag-
nating the workforce on learning skills that they will eventually
need to return to work. Can you elaborate on how the extended un-
employment benefits have affected hiring and the workforce? And
can you also explain a little bit about your concern with workers
not having the skills needed when they do return to work?
Mr. TAYLOR. Yes. I will do my best to respond to that. And
again, it is an unintended consequence I am sure, but that impulse
to be generous of raising unemployment benefits beyond what peo-
ple would earn if they returned to work, it is keeping people on the
sidelines. It is essentially making the government a competitive
employer, like you are outbidding the market. Surely there is a
precedent in history with the New Deal three letter agencies to
give unemployed people work. But at least in those instances they
were actually engaging the program participants. That they were
doing work. They were hopefully upgrading their skills. They were
at least keeping current and would have something that they could
list on a resume that employers know the longer somebody is on
the sidelines the more their skills degrade, the longer that gap
comes on their resume and the more difficult it is for somebody to
reenter the workforce.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. I appreciate that.
It is also evident by the testimony we have heard today that
small manufacturers, while agile and highly resilient, has faced a
tough time during COVID-19. President Biden has proposed in-
creasing corporate taxes among other tax hikes.
So Mr. Taylor, how would increased taxes affect small manufac-
turers?
Mr. TAYLOR. Well, I mean, in Pennsylvania, about 80 percent
of our manufacturing employers, they are not C corporations. They
are S corps or LLCs or partnerships. So the higher corporate tax
rate again would hurt the big fish in the ocean but because of sup-
ply chains and distribution networks, those smaller companies that
are suppliers or vendors or part of the distribution for the major
manufacturers, they would see less business.
In my lifetime, the example, it would be when Bethlehem Steel
left Johnstown. And that not only do you lose that major employer,
but because so many of the smaller businesses were part of that
ecosystem as suppliers, they were part of logistics, you know, fork-
lift and warehouse jobs, you know, people who do payroll or HR or
legal services or any of those things, if you lose what happens on
the plant floor, all the rest of it goes away. And so with our eye
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to competitiveness, especially with reshoring in a very demanding
global marketplace, I would recommend strongly against raising
the U.S. tax rates.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. I appreciate that also.
Also in your testimony you mentioned the potential to cast a
wider hiring net, including those that had been incarcerated before.
Are there any regulatory burdens that make it difficult to hire
these types of workers and can they be changed to allow employers
to cast that wider net?
Mr. TAYLOR. Well, that is a great question and I really believe
it is the question of our time. I want to stay in my lane here. I am
an advocate in Pennsylvania on state public policy but I would ask
our Nation’s leaders to look to Pennsylvania because we have made
a lot of progress. And that in particular, our secretary of correc-
tions, John Wetzel, has been a real leader with corrections reform.
Secretary Wetzel is, himself, a former corrections officer so he has
walked the block. He was the only African American in Governor
Corbett’s cabinet. He is now the only Republican in Governor Tom
Wolf’s cabinet. And so there really is a bipartisan consensus on
this. And that is the upswing.
I remember being at a company out in Allegheny County and
most of their workforce is ex-military. They have very tough stand-
ards and that they were one of those companies leaving work on
the table because they could not find enough new people. And it
was the owners there who said we are going to have to cast the
net wider. We are going to have to do better. And so this is a mo-
ment where everybody needs to level up. But if we do it, we can
have real social progress because the jobs in manufacturing that go
wanting are really good paying, family sustaining jobs with great
wages and benefits and pensions. And so I do not have all of the
answers to know how we can make that happen. Maybe Represent-
ative Evans and I need to work on this together because we need
to find a way to get those citizens who have been outside the work-
force, who have not succeeded in our society. This gravitational pull
of demography, because there are more jobs available than people
looking for work, this should be the time when we help to bring
those marginalized folks back into the workforce, into productive
living, and into the dignity of work and the real sense of identity
that can come from having a profession and still trade.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Thank you very much.
Chairwoman, I appreciate that you extended time.
Chairwoman DAVIDS. Thank you, Rep. Van Duyne. The
gentlelady yields back.
First of all, I would like to say thank you to all our witnesses
for taking the time, for joining us today and sharing your expertise.
Your testimony has certainly given the Subcommittee members
valuable insight into the problems that have been created because
of the pandemic. And particularly for our small manufacturers and
the challenges that they are facing moving forward. The pandemic
has taught us a hard lesson in the value of domestic manufacturing
and a robust supply chain. Today, we continue to feel the effects
of supply chain disruptions and shortages on our economy. And we
obviously want to avoid a repeat of this situation which means we
have to find ways to empower small manufacturers. One of the
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most common sense ways to do that is by ensuring that they have
ample access to affordable capital, and I hope today’s hearing has
shed light on critical SBA lending programs. And I am looking for-
ward to working with all of you to find ways to improve them.
I would ask unanimous consent that members have 5 legislative
days to submit statements and supporting materials for the record.
Without objection, so ordered. And if there is no further business
to come before the Committee, we are adjourned. Thank you very
much.
[Whereupon, at 2:03 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]
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File and source
- File
- CHRG-117hhrg44563.pdf
- Size
- 66,340,484 bytes
- SHA-256
- c32b92ca8b9670270cefbdcf93c215837c605e5bc4defc9d871e91c402c6e6dc
- Our copy
- CHRG-117hhrg44563.pdf
- Original
- www.govinfo.gov