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Perspectives from Main Street: Raising the Wage (House Small Business subcommittee hearing, February 24, 2021)

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The printed record of a hearing of the House Small Business Subcommittee on Oversight, Investigations, and Regulations, Small Business Committee Document Number 117-004, titled Perspectives from Main Street: Raising the Wage, held February 24, 2021 in the 117th Congress. Opening statements are by Representatives Dean Phillips and Beth Van Duyne. The witnesses are Dr. Heidi Shierholz of the Economic Policy Institute, John Puckett of Punch Pizza, Rebecca Hamilton of W.S. Badger Company and Rachel Greszler of The Heritage Foundation. The appendix holds their prepared statements and additional material for the record, including a Congressional Budget Office item.

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                                                               PERSPECTIVES FROM MAIN STREET: RAISING THE
                                                                                 WAGE


                                                                                                  HEARING
                                                                                                         BEFORE THE


                                                                     SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT,
                                                                   INVESTIGATIONS, AND REGULATIONS
                                                                                                            OF THE


                                                                       COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
                                                                              UNITED STATES
                                                                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
                                                                             ONE HUNDRED SEVENTEENTH CONGRESS
                                                                                                       FIRST SESSION


                                                                                                    HEARING HELD
                                                                                                   FEBRUARY 24, 2021




                                                                                Small Business Committee Document Number 117–004
                                                                                  Available via the GPO Website: www.govinfo.gov



                                                                                           U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE
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                                                                                    HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
                                                                                       NYDIA VELÁZQUEZ, New York, Chairwoman
                                                                                                JARED GOLDEN, Maine
                                                                                                JASON CROW, Colorado
                                                                                              SHARICE DAVIDS, Kansas
                                                                                              KWEISI MFUME, Maryland
                                                                                              DEAN PHILLIPS, Minnesota
                                                                                               MARIE NEWMAN, Illinois
                                                                                           CAROLYN BOURDEAUX, Georgia
                                                                                                 JUDY CHU, California
                                                                                            DWIGHT EVANS, Pennsylvania
                                                                                            ANTONIO DELGADO, New York
                                                                                          CHRISSY HOULAHAN, Pennsylvania
                                                                                                ANDY KIM, New Jersey
                                                                                               ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota
                                                                                    BLAINE LUETKEMEYER, Missouri, Ranking Member
                                                                                               ROGER WILLIAMS, Texas
                                                                                             JIM HAGEDORN, Minnesota
                                                                                              PETE STAUBER, Minnesota
                                                                                             DAN MEUSER, Pennsylvania
                                                                                           ANDREW GARBARINO, New York
                                                                                                YOUNG KIM, California
                                                                                              BETH VAN DUYNE, Texas
                                                                                              BYRON DONALDS, Florida
                                                                                               MARIA SALAZAR, Florida
                                                                                            SCOTT FITZGERALD, Wisconsin

                                                                                          MELISSA JUNG, Majority Staff Director
                                                                                     ELLEN HARRINGTON, Majority Deputy Staff Director
                                                                                             DAVID PLANNING, Staff Director




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                                                                                                         OPENING STATEMENTS
                                                                                                                                                                                       Page
                                                              Hon. Dean Phillips ..................................................................................................      1
                                                              Hon. Beth Van Duyne .............................................................................................          3
                                                                                                                   WITNESSES
                                                              Dr. Heidi Shierholz, Senior Economist and Director of Policy, Economic Policy
                                                                Institute, Washington, DC ..................................................................................             7
                                                              Mr. John Puckett, Co-CEO, Punch Pizza, St. Paul, MN ......................................                                 8
                                                              Ms. Rebecca Hamilton, Co-CEO, W.S. Badger Company, Gilsum, NH ...............                                             10
                                                              Ms. Rachel Greszler, Research Fellow in Economics, Budget and Entitle-
                                                                ments, The Heritage Foundation, Washington, DC ..........................................                               12
                                                                                                                    APPENDIX
                                                              Prepared Statements:
                                                                  Dr. Heidi Shierholz, Senior Economist and Director of Policy, Economic
                                                                    Policy Institute, Washington, DC ................................................................                   40
                                                                  Mr. John Puckett, Co-CEO, Punch Pizza, St. Paul, MN ...............................                                   46
                                                                  Ms. Rebecca Hamilton, Co-CEO, W.S. Badger Company, Gilsum, NH .......                                                 48
                                                                  Ms. Rachel Greszler, Research Fellow in Economics, Budget and Entitle-
                                                                    ments, The Heritage Foundation, Washington, DC ...................................                                  52
                                                              Questions for the Record:
                                                                  None.
                                                              Answers for the Record:
                                                                  None.
                                                              Additional Material for the Record:
                                                                  A&P Master Images .........................................................................................           72
                                                                  ATR Coalition Letter ........................................................................................         73
                                                                  Boyer’s Food Markets Inc. ...............................................................................             77
                                                                  Casey Waits Testimony ....................................................................................            79
                                                                  Congressional Budget Office ............................................................................              80
                                                                  Council for Citizens Against Government Waste (CCAGW) .........................                                       97
                                                                  Eureka Pizza Co. ..............................................................................................       99
                                                                  FASTSIGNS ......................................................................................................     100
                                                                  Fleet & Farm Supply/Ace Hardware ..............................................................                      101
                                                                  Florida Restaurant and Lodging Association .................................................                         103
                                                                  FreedomWorks ..................................................................................................      104
                                                                  Gary Siebert Testimony ...................................................................................           107
                                                                  International Franchise Association (IFA) .....................................................                      108
                                                                  Mad Hatter Restaurant & Bakery ..................................................................                    110
                                                                  Maddens Resort ................................................................................................      111
                                                                  Mark Klinger Testimony ..................................................................................            112
                                                                  Marshall Street Bar & Grill and The Union Tavern .....................................                               113
                                                                  Missouri Farm Bureau Federation .................................................................                    114
                                                                  National Restaurant Association .....................................................................                115
                                                                  NFIB Research Center Study ..........................................................................                117
                                                                  NFIB Letter ......................................................................................................   164
                                                                  Raise the Wage Act of 2021 Coalition Opposition Letter ..............................                                166
                                                                  Rangaire Manufacturing Company, LP ..........................................................                        169
                                                                  Rick Knoebels Testimony .................................................................................            171
                                                                  Rohrbach Brewing Co. ......................................................................................          173
                                                                  Rosario Longo Testimony .................................................................................            174
                                                                  Rosebud Tractor ................................................................................................     175
                                                                  Sal and Jerrys Bakery .....................................................................................          177
                                                                  SBE Council Letter ..........................................................................................        178
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                                                              Additional Material for the Record—Continued
                                                                 Sergio’s Family Restaurants ............................................................................       180
                                                                 Stephanie Figueroa Testimony ........................................................................          181
                                                                 54th Street Grill & Bar ....................................................................................   182
                                                                 Urban Air Adventure Park ..............................................................................        183
                                                                 U.S. Chamber of Commerce Small Business ..................................................                     185
                                                                 Zanz Mexican Restaurant ................................................................................       190




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                                                              PERSPECTIVES FROM MAIN STREET: RAISING
                                                                            THE WAGE

                                                                                      WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 2021

                                                                                      HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
                                                                                   COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS,
                                                                                         SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT,
                                                                                        INVESTIGATIONS, AND REGULATIONS,
                                                                                                              Washington, DC.
                                                                 The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:01 a.m., in Room
                                                              2360, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Dean Phillips [chair-
                                                              man of the Subcommittee] presiding.
                                                                 Present: Representatives Phillips, Craig, Chu, Evans, Davids,
                                                              Van Duyne, Hagedorn, Meuser, Donalds, and Fitzgerald.
                                                                 Also Present: Representatives Velázquez, Tenney, Luetkemeyer,
                                                              Bourdeaux, and Young Kim.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Good morning, everybody. I want to call
                                                              the meeting to order and thank everybody for joining us today. I
                                                              also want to thank our witnesses in particular for taking time out
                                                              of their busy schedules to be with us.
                                                                 First, I want to go over some important requirements, most of
                                                              which you already know. But beginning by saying that the stand-
                                                              ing House and Committee Rules and Practices will continue to
                                                              apply during hybrid proceedings.
                                                                 All members are reminded that they are expected to adhere to
                                                              these standing rules, including decorum. House regulations require
                                                              members to be visible through a video connection throughout the
                                                              proceeding, so please keep your cameras on. Also, please remember
                                                              to remain muted until you are recognized so that we can minimize
                                                              background noise. If you have to participate in another meeting,
                                                              please exit this one and log in later.
                                                                 In the event that a member encounters technical issues that pre-
                                                              vent them from being recognized for their questioning, I will simply
                                                              move to the next available member of the same party and I will
                                                              recognize that member at the next appropriate time slot provided
                                                              that they have returned to the proceeding.
                                                                 For those members physically present in the Committee room
                                                              today, we will also be following the health and safety guidelines
                                                              issued by the attending physician. That includes social distancing
                                                              and especially the use of masks. Members and staff are expected
                                                              to wear masks at all times while in the hearing room, and I thank
                                                              you in advance for your commitment to a safe environment to all
                                                              here today.
                                                                 It is an honor to Chair this Subcommittee and to provide a plat-
                                                              form for listening to and supporting small businesses across Amer-
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                                                              ica. Though our members may disagree on occasion on matters of
                                                              policy, I want to make it clear that we work for you, the small busi-
                                                              ness owners present today, and the small business owners across
                                                              the country pursuing the American Dream.
                                                                 I look forward to conducting this hearing and this year’s work in
                                                              a productive and bipartisan manner with Ranking Member Van
                                                              Duyne.
                                                                 Since the implementation of the New Deal in the 1930s, Con-
                                                              gress has been tasked with determining from our collective belief
                                                              of what is fair and what is right, a standard of living under which
                                                              no working American citizen should fall. An essential part of this
                                                              floor is the minimum wage, which was intended to ensure that the
                                                              least advantaged workers in America can provide for themselves,
                                                              let alone for their families. But over the past decades, this floor has
                                                              significantly eroded in value despite a modest increase to $7.25 per
                                                              hour in 2009.
                                                                 Meanwhile, Washington is caught in partisan gridlock and un-
                                                              able to provide the leadership so desperately needed to resolve the
                                                              issue despite overwhelming public support for addressing it. It is
                                                              my core belief that all working Americans who live on the wages
                                                              that they earn be paid one on which they can survive. It is not just
                                                              good for humanity, it is good for our economy because consumption
                                                              is the engine of our economy and money in people’s pockets is its
                                                              fuel.
                                                                 Unfortunately, the current minimum wage falls well below the
                                                              poverty line for a family of two or more. I cannot imagine that any-
                                                              body in this room or participating today would say that it is fair
                                                              and just for any American relying on a full-time wage to survive
                                                              to earn only $15,000 per year. That cannot make rent. That cannot
                                                              pay for food. It cannot pay for healthcare. It cannot pay for
                                                              childcare, and it surely cannot pay for education in any region of
                                                              our country.
                                                                 But, as I said during our markup just 2 weeks ago, I am troubled
                                                              that the Raise the Wage Act was included in this COVID relief
                                                              package without more opportunities for small business voices to be
                                                              heard and thoughtful members of Congress on both sides of the
                                                              aisle to offer constructive feedback and amendments.
                                                                 And that is why we were here today, my friends. I am certain
                                                              that all of us in this room have heard from small businesses and
                                                              hard-working people in our districts about the impacts, both the
                                                              positive impacts and the negative impacts that this policy change
                                                              would have.
                                                                 In my office, we heard from Ken, the owner of the original Pan-
                                                              cake House in Plymouth, Minnesota, one of my favorite joints. Like
                                                              so many businesses which rely on public gathering to succeed, he
                                                              is barely hanging on. His restaurant, like all restaurants, runs on
                                                              thin margins during even the best of times and Ken is deeply con-
                                                              cerned that a $15 minimum wage will mean that he has to cut jobs
                                                              if he hopes to stay open.
                                                                 I take these concerns seriously, and they are guiding how we will
                                                              conduct this hearing today. However, we cannot ignore the benefits
                                                              that our economy would reap from raising the minimum wage. We
                                                              often hear from small firms how hard it is to attract and retain
                                                              skilled workers, and experts say that this policy could help. Studies




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                                                              also suggest it can make workers more productive and boost mo-
                                                              rale.
                                                                 According to the CBO, the policy at it is written would likely
                                                              raise wages for 27 million Americans, raise almost 1 million out of
                                                              poverty, and increase the aggregate wages for low wage workers in
                                                              American by over $300 billion over the next decade. These newly
                                                              empowered workers will live in turn to support local businesses
                                                              and our entire economy.
                                                                 It is also essential that we address this through a racial and gen-
                                                              der equity lens. Women and minorities would disproportionately
                                                              benefit from a $15 minimum wage, which would close pay gaps
                                                              based on both race and gender.
                                                                 Unfortunately, the same CBO study also projects that this policy
                                                              as it is written could cost up to 1.4 million American jobs, and in-
                                                              tuition tell us it would also result in the loss of a number of small
                                                              businesses, both of which are consequences which I find as unac-
                                                              ceptable as they are preventable.
                                                                 It is our duty on this Committee to listen to the voices of small
                                                              businesses and support them accordingly. And while we may dis-
                                                              agree on whether to increase the minimum wage or by how much
                                                              or in what manner, I hope and I expect that we will come together
                                                              for a cordial, productive, and even provocative hearing that will
                                                              serve the best interests of small businesses, their employees, and
                                                              our communities.
                                                                 Lastly, and most importantly, I ask that we use our time today
                                                              to identify ways in which we can mitigate the negative impacts of
                                                              such a policy while maximizing the positive impacts of raising
                                                              wages for millions of Americans. As I said 2 weeks ago and I will
                                                              say it again right now, livable wages, thriving businesses, and job
                                                              growth are not mutually exclusive options. So let’s work together
                                                              to achieve that trifecta beginning with today’s hearing.
                                                                 And with that, I will yield to the Ranking Member, Ms. Van
                                                              Duyne for her opening statement.
                                                                 Ms. VAN DUYNE. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman.
                                                                 Before I begin, I would like to thank Ranking Member Luetke-
                                                              meyer and my colleagues on the Subcommittee for the opportunity
                                                              to serve as Ranking Member on the Subcommittee of Oversight, In-
                                                              vestigations, and Regulations, and I look forward to working with
                                                              each and every one of you in this capacity.
                                                                 Small businesses shuttered, American families struggling to pay
                                                              their rent, livelihoods destroyed. These are the devastating con-
                                                              sequences we witnessed as a result of this pandemic and along
                                                              with it forced lockdowns all across the country. Fortunately, in my
                                                              state of Texas, we were able to open back up quickly, giving mil-
                                                              lions of small business owners the opportunity to keep their doors
                                                              open and to fight to protect the businesses that they have invested
                                                              their lives in.
                                                                 But what we are here to discuss today, a Federal, nationwide
                                                              mandate to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour will put us
                                                              right back to where we were months ago—American jobs destroyed,
                                                              small businesses forced to close their doors, and life savings gone
                                                              to waste. I cannot think of anything more devastating in a time
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                                                                 And Mr. Chairman, I want to thank you for your comments on
                                                              wanting to take this slower, getting as much input from small busi-
                                                              nesses that will affect as possible, I really appreciate that. And you
                                                              had actually quoted from the Congressional Budget Office, the non-
                                                              partisan Congressional Budget Office that estimated that an in-
                                                              crease in the minimum wage to $15 an hour would lead to a loss
                                                              of 1.4 million jobs by 2025. And of those 1.4 million workers dis-
                                                              placed, the CBO estimated that 700,000, half of those workers,
                                                              would fall out of the labor force entirely.
                                                                 And make no mistake, this top down, ‘‘one size fits all’’ mandate
                                                              will impact our small businesses the most. These ‘‘mom and pop’’
                                                              shops already operate on thin margins. The local Main Street res-
                                                              taurants, hardware stores, hair salons, and florists are the heart-
                                                              beat of our communities, and they simply cannot absorb this man-
                                                              dated increase by any way.
                                                                 And not to mention a wage mandate takes away any variation
                                                              in discretion that an entrepreneur has to scale his or her business
                                                              to the area in which it operates. Whether that is in my home state
                                                              of Texas or the Chairman’s home state of Minnesota, why should
                                                              a waitress at a busy restaurant in the heart of New York City
                                                              where the average rent for a one-bedroom apartment is $2,475 a
                                                              month be forced to make the exact same amount as a waitress in
                                                              Billings, Montana, where the average rent for a one-bedroom apart-
                                                              ment is $678 a month?
                                                                 The Federal government does not and cannot know what is best
                                                              for each town across America, and this ‘‘one size fits all’’ mandate
                                                              fails to recognize the diversity and uniqueness of our townships,
                                                              towns, cities, and metropolitan communities.
                                                                 What I cannot seem to wrap my head around is the American
                                                              workers who will be impacted the most by this reckless policy. My
                                                              colleagues who support this proposal claim this will help our lower
                                                              to middle class, our single moms. And as a single mother myself
                                                              who was a waitress back in the day, I sit here wondering what
                                                              these single moms will do when the local restaurant or hair salon
                                                              where they work is forced to close their doors because they simply
                                                              cannot pay their employees $15 an hour. Or when businesses have
                                                              to choose between shutting down or replacing their workers with
                                                              automation.
                                                                 As one of my colleagues across the aisle said over the weekend,
                                                              we do not want those businesses. That is his message to our ‘‘mom
                                                              and pop’’ shops struggling to keep their doors open right now—if
                                                              you cannot afford to $15 an hour, we do not want you. Let that
                                                              sink in for a minute.
                                                                 After being selected to serve on this Committee, I was eager to
                                                              sit down with local business owners across North Texas to hear
                                                              firsthand what is working and what is not working. Where they
                                                              need government to get out of the way. And they were all crystal
                                                              clear. Increasing the minimum wage will have a disastrous impact
                                                              on their business. In fact, many were confident they would have to
                                                              close their doors immediately.
                                                                 And what does that mean for American workers? From young
                                                              workers to single moms, our working families will be hit hardest
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                                                                 And do not just take my word for it. Over the last few weeks,
                                                              our Committee has received testimony from small business owners
                                                              all across the country explaining how this Federal mandate would
                                                              decimate their businesses and their livelihoods along with it.
                                                                 And I would like to ask for unanimous consent to be able to enter
                                                              these statements into the congressional record.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Without objection.
                                                                 Ms. VAN DUYNE. Thank you.
                                                                 I would also like to take a moment to share testimony we re-
                                                              ceived from Ian MacLean, president and owner of Highland Land-
                                                              scaping in my district of Southlake, Texas, and the Chair of the
                                                              U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s Small Business Council. Here is what
                                                              he had to say about how legislation that would increase the Fed-
                                                              eral minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $15 per hour would af-
                                                              fect his business. Before we started hearing about Congress’s plan
                                                              to raise the Federal minimum wage, we had begun exploring solu-
                                                              tions to growing wages in our industry such as robotic mowing sys-
                                                              tems and purchasing more machinery to do more of the labor work
                                                              on the construction side. In order to mitigate the effects of a min-
                                                              imum wage hike, we would fast-track those solutions and eliminate
                                                              most of our entry-level and less-skilled labor positions. Unfortu-
                                                              nately, this would eliminate our ability to provide youth jobs,
                                                              entry-level jobs, and summer jobs. And as a small business owner,
                                                              I take great pride in creating and sustaining jobs for people who
                                                              can then provide for their families. I believe most small business
                                                              owners do as well. During the pandemic, I was able to create new
                                                              jobs. With news of a potential wage hike, I am now making prep-
                                                              arations to move in the opposite direction. Small business is the
                                                              biggest job creator in the United States and the driving force of our
                                                              economy. A wage hike to $15 per hour would cause small business
                                                              owners like me to not only stop creating jobs but to eliminate jobs.’’
                                                                 Mr. Chairman, I truly believe each and every one of us here,
                                                              from our colleagues to our witnesses to our small business owners,
                                                              want the same thing. We want to see our small businesses make
                                                              it out of this pandemic. We want to see working families lifted up.
                                                              And we want to advance policies that will give every American a
                                                              shot at living their American Dream. I look forward to finding
                                                              ways to work across the aisle to accomplish these goals, but a ‘‘one
                                                              size fits all’’ minimum wage mandate is not the answer.
                                                                 I thank all of the witnesses for joining us today, and I yield back.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Thank you, Ms. Van Duyne.
                                                                 And I would like to take a moment before we begin to explain
                                                              how this hearing will proceed. Each witness will have 5 minutes
                                                              to provide a statement, and each Committee member will have 5
                                                              minutes for questions. Please ensure that your microphone is on
                                                              when you begin speaking and that you return to mute when you
                                                              are finished.
                                                                 With that, I will begin by introducing our witnesses.
                                                                 Our first today is Dr. Heidi Shierholz, senior economist and di-
                                                              rector of Policy at the Economic Policy Institute. From 2014 to
                                                              2017, she served the Obama administration as the chief economist
                                                              at the Department of Labor where she and other department lead-
                                                              ers worked to develop and execute initiatives to boost workers’
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                                                              used to shape policy proposals and inform news coverage in many
                                                              broadcasts, radio, print, and online news outlets. She received her
                                                              M.A. and PhD in Economics from the University of Michigan, and
                                                              her policy focuses include labor policy, wage inequality, unemploy-
                                                              ment insurance, minimum wage, and many others.
                                                                 So a heartfelt welcome to Dr. Shierholz, and we look forward to
                                                              your testimony today.
                                                                 Our next witness is John Puckett, co-owner and CEO of Punch
                                                              Neapolitan Pizza, an 11-store restaurant company headquartered
                                                              in St. Paul, Minnesota that recently celebrated its 25th year in
                                                              business. John has always been a fierce advocate for investing in
                                                              his own employees and creating career path opportunities for ev-
                                                              erybody. In 2014, Punch was recognized by President Obama in the
                                                              State of the Union Address for paying starting wages significantly
                                                              above the industry average. Prior to Punch, John cofounded and
                                                              grew Caribou Coffee into a significant retail brand across the coun-
                                                              try. He has an MBA from the Tuck School of Business and a BA
                                                              from Dartmouth University.
                                                                 Thank you, John, for being here today, and I look forward to
                                                              your testimony as well.
                                                                 Our third witness today is Ms. Rebecca Hamilton, a second gen-
                                                              eration owner and co-CEO at Badger, a natural and organic per-
                                                              sonal care manufacturer known for its unique company philosophy,
                                                              pioneering family friendly benefits, and B Corp community engage-
                                                              ment. In addition to her role as co-CEO, she has spoken at the
                                                              White House, addressed the UN Convention on Biological Diver-
                                                              sity, and testified before Congress on behalf of safer cosmetics. Re-
                                                              cently, she was appointed to the National Women’s Business Coun-
                                                              cil, a nonpartisan Federal advisory Committee, and we thank you,
                                                              too, Rebecca, for being here and look forward to your testimony.
                                                                 With that I will yield to the Ranking Member to introduce our
                                                              fourth and final witness.
                                                                 Ms. VAN DUYNE. Thank you.
                                                                 Our next witness is Rachel Greszler. Ms. Greszler is a research
                                                              fellow in Economics, Budget, and Entitlements at the Grover M.
                                                              Hermann Center for the Federal Budget at the Heritage Founda-
                                                              tion. Since joining the staff at the Heritage Foundation in 2013,
                                                              Ms. Greszler has concentrated her research and findings on numer-
                                                              ous areas of labor, Social Security, pension, and employment poli-
                                                              cies. Given her extensive knowledge and research, she has also
                                                              been a frequent witness on Capitol Hill providing testimony on
                                                              many of these topics. Her latest research focuses on the minimum
                                                              wage and its impact on childcare costs. Prior to joining the Herit-
                                                              age Foundation, Ms. Greszler was on staff at the Joint Economic
                                                              Committee.
                                                                 Ms. Greszler, welcome back to Capitol Hill. We appreciate you
                                                              and the other witnesses for joining us today as we explore this
                                                              critically important topic and we look forward to your testimony.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Thank you, Ms. Van Duyne.
                                                                 And we will begin with Dr. Shierholz. You are recognized for 5
                                                              minutes for your opening statement.




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                                                              STATEMENTS OF DR. HEIDI SHIERHOLZ, SENIOR ECONOMIST
                                                               AND DIRECTOR OF POLICY, ECONOMIC POLICY INSTITUTE;
                                                               JOHN PUCKETT, CO-CEO, PUNCH PIZZA; REBECCA HAM-
                                                               ILTON, CO-CEO, W.S. BADGER COMPANY; RACHEL GRESZLER,
                                                               RESEARCH FELLOW IN ECONOMICS, BUDGET AND ENTITLE-
                                                               MENTS, THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION
                                                                                     STATEMENT OF HEIDI SHIERHOLZ
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. Thank you. Chairman Phillips, Ranking Mem-
                                                              ber Van Duyne, and members of the Subcommittee, thank you for
                                                              the opportunity to testify on the importance of increasing the min-
                                                              imum wage to $15 an hour by 2025.
                                                                 I want to start by talking about the well-documented, enormous
                                                              benefits of a $15 minimum wage. My colleagues at EPI have esti-
                                                              mated that increasing the minimum wage to $15 in 2025 will gen-
                                                              erate $107 billion in higher wages for low-wage workers. And
                                                              CBO’s recent analysis shows that $15 in 2025 will make low-in-
                                                              come people as a group unambiguously better off. The total income
                                                              of low-income people would rise, income inequality would shrink,
                                                              and nearly a million people will be pulled out of poverty. And from
                                                              a prior CBO analysis, we know that roughly half of those pulled
                                                              out of poverty by a $15 minimum wage will be children.
                                                                 Research also shows that by providing families with higher in-
                                                              comes, minimum wage increases have improved infant health, they
                                                              have reduced child abuse, and they have reduced teen pregnancy.
                                                                 And then particularly important in this moment, essential and
                                                              frontline workers make up the majority of those who would benefit
                                                              from a $15 minimum wage. More than a third of those working in
                                                              residential or nursing care facilities would see their pay increase.
                                                              Forty-two percent of workers in grocery stores would see a raise.
                                                              More than four in 10 janitors and housekeeping cleaners would
                                                              benefit. Ten million workers in healthcare, education, construction,
                                                              and manufacturing would see a raise.
                                                                 And $15 in 2025 would not just reduce overall income inequality;
                                                              it will reduce inequality by race and gender as well. So due to
                                                              things like occupational segregation, discrimination, and other im-
                                                              pacts of structural racism and sexism, women and Black and His-
                                                              panic men are more concentrated in low-wage jobs and would see
                                                              disproportionate gains from this increase.
                                                                 Raising the minimum wage is long overdue. Workers today who
                                                              are paid the current Federal minimum wage are paid more than
                                                              30 percent less in inflation-adjusted terms than their counterparts
                                                              were paid 53 years ago. And this is despite the fact that the econo-
                                                              my’s capacity to deliver higher wages, which is measured by labor
                                                              productivity, that capacity more than doubled over that period.
                                                              Had the minimum wage kept pace with productivity growth since
                                                              1968, it would be over $23 in 2025. So a $15 minimum wage in
                                                              2025 simply means that low-wage workers are able to share in a
                                                              small portion of the country’s growth over the last half century.
                                                                 Another key thing to note is that we can raise the minimum
                                                              wage to $15 in 2025 with little to no job loss. Minimum wages are
                                                              one of the most well-studied topis in economics, and although there
                                                              sometimes appears to be a great deal of controversy about the size
                                                              of employment effects on the minimum wage, the weight of the evi-




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                                                              dence clearly shows that minimum wage increases have worked ex-
                                                              actly as intended by raising wages without big, negative con-
                                                              sequences. So comprehensive reviews of the academic literature on
                                                              the employment effects of minimum wage increases have found
                                                              that the typical academic study of the employment effect of min-
                                                              imum wage increases finds little to no impact on employment. And
                                                              relevant, for the increase that we are talking about now, research
                                                              also shows that the highest Federal minimum wages the U.S. has
                                                              ever experienced, the minimum wages of the late 1960s, they also
                                                              significantly raised wages without reducing the employment of low-
                                                              wage workers.
                                                                 So that brings up the question, how is this possible? How can
                                                              minimum wages be raised without causing employers to have to lay
                                                              off workers? And I will list a couple of reasons here.
                                                                 For one, businesses find that raising wages increases produc-
                                                              tivity. It improves morale and reduces turnover. Workers with
                                                              more income have less chaos in their lives. They are more likely
                                                              to have access to reliable transportation to work, to steady
                                                              childcare, and to healthcare, and all of those things. Reduce absen-
                                                              teeism and turnover. Turnover is hugely expensive for firms. Re-
                                                              search finds that a typical cost of turnover is 20 percent of the posi-
                                                              tion’s annual salary. So a reduction in turnover and an increase in
                                                              productivity help businesses recoup some of the increased costs of
                                                              the higher wages.
                                                                 And another key thing is that businesses also see an increase in
                                                              demand for their goods and services when the minimum wage goes
                                                              up. Low-wage workers are those who are the most spending con-
                                                              strained. They cannot buy all the things they need. So when you
                                                              raise the minimum wage, you are getting money into the hands of
                                                              people who are the most likely to have no choice but to spend it,
                                                              and that increases demand which is very good for business.
                                                                 And I will leave it there for now and just end by saying that the
                                                              failure to adequately raise the minimum wage has denied workers
                                                              significant improvements in their standard of living. It has in-
                                                              creased poverty and inequality. By raising the Federal minimum
                                                              wage to $15 by 2025, we will finally deliver a much-needed boost
                                                              to this country’s lowest paid workers.
                                                                 And I look very forward to answering any questions that you
                                                              may have.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Thank you, Dr. Shierholz.
                                                                 Mr. Puckett, you are now recognized for 5 minutes for your open-
                                                              ing statement.
                                                                                       STATEMENT OF JOHN PUCKETT
                                                                Mr. PUCKETT. Thank you, Chairman Phillips. And good morn-
                                                              ing from sunny and warm Minneapolis, Minnesota this morning.
                                                              We appreciate the chance to talk about what our company has
                                                              learned from paying our employees more.
                                                                I am John Puckett. I am the co-owner of Punch. We are a 25-
                                                              year-old business located in the Twin Cities in Minnesota. We em-
                                                              ploy almost 300 people at our company and we operate 11 pizze-
                                                              rias. Prior to joining Punch and helping grow that company, my
                                                              wife and I started Caribou Coffee, which is today the second largest
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                                                              Caribou Coffee with an SBA loan 30 years ago. So thank you 30
                                                              years later for the support of Congress to help small businesses.
                                                                 Everybody knows how competitive the pizza industry is. It may
                                                              be the most competitive part of the restaurant business. And every-
                                                              body thinks that is going to survive that their pizza is the best.
                                                              Our pizza is made in a 1,000 degree wood-burning ovens. Our top-
                                                              pings melt in the oven—fresh mozzarella, crushed tomatoes, olive
                                                              oil, sea salt. We think our pizza cannot be beat.
                                                                 But our secret ingredient is our people, our fantastic employees.
                                                              And when we ask our customers why they come back to Punch,
                                                              they tell us two things. They say it is the quality of your food, but
                                                              very closely or tied with that answer is it is our engaged employ-
                                                              ees, our friendly employees. And we think when you walk into a
                                                              Punch store versus our competition, you can tell our employees like
                                                              what they are doing and they feel a part of something that they
                                                              are proud of.
                                                                 Part of our strategy with people is to pay our employees more.
                                                              As you mentioned, we were featured in the State of the Union Ad-
                                                              dress in 2014 for paying our employees more, and today our aver-
                                                              age starting wage is $13 an hour and our average employee earns
                                                              $15 an hour, and this excludes management, and earns an addi-
                                                              tional $5 an hour in tips. And we are really in the fast food, quick
                                                              service industry. So that is a remarkable number when you add
                                                              those two together. Our average hourly employee earns over $20 an
                                                              hour at Punch Pizza. And we think it is one of the largest, if not
                                                              the largest in the quick service industry.
                                                                 Another key part of our people strategy, it is not just what they
                                                              earn when they start. If we could, we would have everyone move
                                                              on beyond starting wages. We offer several different skill levels and
                                                              increased pay and make training and development a priority of our
                                                              business. In addition, we promote most of our managers from our
                                                              hourly workforce, and these are jobs that start at over $50,000 a
                                                              year and grow up to $100,000 a year. And I think it is important
                                                              to note that we have zero educational or accreditation requirements
                                                              for these manager positions.
                                                                 Our turnover is significantly better than the industry average
                                                              and pay is a part of it, but it is not all part of it. Advancement op-
                                                              portunities are important. Employees need to believe in the leader-
                                                              ship of their store and of the company and of the mission of the
                                                              company, and we find that providing the best quality tools to do
                                                              the job and having excellent work processes lead to higher reten-
                                                              tion as well as pay.
                                                                 This strategy does come at a cost. We earn less money than the
                                                              companies that we study that are publicly traded, that we can
                                                              track their labor expense. So we are giving up profit margin in the
                                                              short and near term, we think for our longer term strategy of hav-
                                                              ing our business both survive and thrive in the future from having
                                                              better employees and having more engaged employees.
                                                                 To close, I just want to talk about the biggest challenge that
                                                              small businesses like Punch face. We reconfigured our operations
                                                              to have socially distanced and keep our employees safe. And we are
                                                              very proud that we have had zero workplace infections. But that
                                                              has come at a cost to sales. We lost over $1 million last year and
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                                                              we expect to lose that until we are able to safely reopen our dining
                                                              rooms. We are hopeful given the increased rate of vaccinations that
                                                              the restaurant business and Punch will return to more normalcy
                                                              later this spring and summer, but it has been a challenge like no
                                                              business has ever faced in the restaurant industry in our lifetime.
                                                                To close, I would like to thank you all for the incredible lifeline
                                                              Congress gave small businesses like Punch with the Paycheck Pro-
                                                              tection Program. There is not a doubt in my mind that Punch, nor
                                                              most small, independent restaurants could have survived without
                                                              that lifeline. So all of our employees greatly appreciate that.
                                                                And I look forward to answering any questions you have later in
                                                              the meeting.
                                                                Chairman PHILLIPS. Thank you, Mr. Puckett.
                                                                And now, Ms. Hamilton, you are recognized for 5 minutes for
                                                              your opening statement.

                                                                                   STATEMENT OF REBECCA HAMILTON
                                                                 Ms. HAMILTON. Thank you, Chairman Phillips and distin-
                                                              guished members of the House Subcommittee on Oversight, Inves-
                                                              tigations, and Regulations for this opportunity to testify in support
                                                              of raising the Federal minimum wage.
                                                                 My name is Rebecca Hamilton, and I am the co-CEO and family
                                                              owner of the W.S. Badger Company, a small cosmetic and drug
                                                              manufacturer located in rural New Hampshire. I also serve on the
                                                              National Women’s Business Council, a nonpartisan Federal advi-
                                                              sory committee advocating for women-owned businesses.
                                                                 Badger was founded in 1995 in our family kitchen by my car-
                                                              penter father who created a simple balm to soothe his cracked
                                                              hands. Today, my sister and I lead the company alongside our
                                                              mother, where we employ 90 people and manufacture over 100
                                                              body care products and sunscreens which are sold throughout the
                                                              United States and in 26 countries worldwide.
                                                                 Badger has been recognized by Forbes as a leading small com-
                                                              pany and as the New Hampshire Business of the Year.
                                                                 Throughout our 25-year history, fair pay has helped our business
                                                              to succeed and grow. Our lowest starting wage is $15 per hour. We
                                                              also provide a range of benefits from day one, and I think that our
                                                              fair pay business model has helped us to attract and retain excel-
                                                              lent staff, while supporting the health of our community and keep-
                                                              ing us successful into second generation family ownership, even as
                                                              many other businesses in our region have struggled.
                                                                 New Hampshire is unique, and that is one of the only states in
                                                              New England still following the current Federal minimum wage of
                                                              $7.25 per hour. For businesses, this low wage floor makes it harder
                                                              to hire and retain employees, build our customer base, and grow.
                                                              Furthermore, it undermines regional economic development.
                                                                 We participated in a working group in New Hampshire of a num-
                                                              ber of businesses and healthcare providers examining the relation-
                                                              ship between our region’s low wage floor and poor health outcomes.
                                                              We found that an hourly age below $15 was inadequate to main-
                                                              tain a safe and decent standard of living in our region, and that
                                                              is in a rural region, and that it could not sufficiently meet a per-
                                                              son’s food, housing, transportation, and healthcare needs.




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                                                                 New Hampshire has struggled to attract and retain a young
                                                              workforce. A 2018 survey found that younger workers see New
                                                              Hampshire as lacking in job career opportunities. Several years ago
                                                              we also participated in a series of workforce development meetings
                                                              where business owners, educators, researchers, and local govern-
                                                              ment officials examined a further concern with attracting a more
                                                              qualified and talented workforce. And what we found was inter-
                                                              esting. This is something that stood out to me is that Badger stood
                                                              apart from many of these other businesses in our region because
                                                              we did not struggle with developing our workforce. Our approach
                                                              to paying a base wage of $15 an hour, combined with compelling
                                                              benefits set us in a much stronger economic position. This approach
                                                              has enabled us to spend virtually zero dollars on recruitment while
                                                              retaining an engaged and committed workforce for the past 25
                                                              years.
                                                                 Recruiting and training a new employee involves thousands of
                                                              dollars and dozens of hours in nonproductive costs. It has been esti-
                                                              mated that turnover costs are about 20 percent of an annual salary
                                                              or higher. By retaining experienced staff, we see increased produc-
                                                              tivity, less waste, and fewer errors, which is very important in a
                                                              manufacturing facility. This further saves us considerable money
                                                              and time. The more we can retain already trained staff, the more
                                                              money we save, the more reliable our staff, the better our produc-
                                                              tivity. The success of our business is directly tied to the dedication
                                                              of our staff.
                                                                 Good pay and benefits also boost morale. When we treat our em-
                                                              ployees well, they care more about our business success. In a recent
                                                              employee engagement survey conducted by the Employee Engage-
                                                              ment Group, 100 percent of employees surveyed at Badger felt that
                                                              their managers respected their work-life balance and 82 percent re-
                                                              ported feeling highly engaged. What we have seen is that having
                                                              engaged in motivated staff has helped us to innovate for success in
                                                              the long run.
                                                                 Our experience in New Hampshire is an excellent case study for
                                                              how low wages do not help small businesses in regions compete.
                                                              Rather, low wages hold back businesses and economic growth and
                                                              hamper employee and community health and well-being. Raising
                                                              the minimum wage is vital to help us recover from the pandemic
                                                              and build a stronger economy.
                                                                 In our consumer-driven economy, businesses like mine depend on
                                                              customers who can afford our products and services. Raising the
                                                              minimum wage will put more money in the hands of working peo-
                                                              ple who will spend it at businesses in New Hampshire and across
                                                              the country. Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2025
                                                              will provide a more solid-level playing field for small and large
                                                              companies. It will help small businesses succeed, and it is an in-
                                                              vestment in our Nation’s workforce that will pay in great dividends
                                                              now and in the future.
                                                                 Thank you for your time.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Thank you, Ms. Hamilton.
                                                                 And Ms. Greszler, you are now recognized for 5 minutes for your
                                                              opening statement.




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                                                                                    STATEMENT OF RACHEL GRESZLER
                                                                Ms. GRESZLER. Thank you. Good morning, and thank you for
                                                              the opportunity to testify today.
                                                                As someone who started out my career earning the minimum
                                                              wage washing dishes and making pizzas and then the sub-min-
                                                              imum wage waiting tables, I can attest to the value, especially for
                                                              young workers, of minimum wage jobs. Minimum wage jobs are
                                                              steppingstones, not careers, and that is why young workers fill
                                                              most minimum wage jobs. $7.25 an hour is not sufficient to support
                                                              a family, but fortunately, single parents earning the minimum
                                                              wage make up only 0.1 percent of all workers, and in that case, the
                                                              Earned Income Tax Credit brings the true minimum to about $10
                                                              per hour.
                                                                I think everyone here agrees that rising incomes are a great
                                                              thing, especially for low-income workers. But lawmakers cannot
                                                              create higher income; they can only redistribute it. And despite
                                                              pretty clear evidence and basic laws of economics, there has been
                                                              debate over whether a $15 minimum wage would cost jobs or have
                                                              negative impacts. Those economic studies can be complicated, but
                                                              for anyone who doubts that doubling the minimum wage will cause
                                                              substantial disruption and harm, consider what would happen if
                                                              your mortgage payment or rent were to double. That would likely
                                                              require a lot of changes, and sometimes those changes end up hurt-
                                                              ing the people they are aiming to help.
                                                                For example, Mae Martinez’s husband got a $4 per hour raise
                                                              but then her family lost $2,200 per month in childcare subsidies,
                                                              forcing Ms. Martinez to stop her daytime college classes and stay
                                                              at home with her kids.
                                                                Families without subsidies would also be hurt. I estimate that a
                                                              $15 per hour minimum wage would increase the cost of childcare
                                                              by 21 percent on average across the U.S., with 30 percent or great-
                                                              er increases in 10 states. This can make childcare unaffordable for
                                                              millions of families, especially those in low-cost areas.
                                                                And this is one example of why a ‘‘one size fits all’’ national min-
                                                              imum wage is unjust. It is one thing if high-cost areas like D.C.
                                                              or Seattle want to hike their minimum wages. At least then work-
                                                              ers can go outside the city as some have had to do. But what works
                                                              in D.C. is unlikely to work in D’Iberville, Mississippi. In fact, $15
                                                              in Mississippi would be like a nearly $36 minimum wage in D.C.
                                                                I would like to now share some of the voice of Main Street em-
                                                              ployers who have aptly explained the unintended consequences of
                                                              a $15 minimum wage. Bryn Hornsby is an Air Force veteran who
                                                              owns two nursing homes in rural Mississippi. For him, a $15 min-
                                                              imum wage would require substantial, but unlikely increases in
                                                              Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. And even so, then their
                                                              private customers cannot afford to pay any higher rates. As Mr.
                                                              Hornsby said, ‘‘COVID has already brought us to our knees finan-
                                                              cially. Any increase in the minimum wage would be a death knell
                                                              for us and many other small nursing home operators.’’
                                                                Gary Armstrong co-owns seven frozen yogurt shops across three
                                                              states and he enjoys providing entry-level jobs for teenagers. He
                                                              says, ‘‘We see ourselves as mentors in basic business operations
                                                              and customer service skills.’’ But Mr. Armstrong said that any sig-
                                                              nificant minimum wage increase would cause them to eliminate




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                                                              many of those jobs and raise prices in an attempt to keep their
                                                              doors open.
                                                                 Susannah Koteen owns Lido Harlem and Bixi Harlem res-
                                                              taurants in New York City. Ms. Koteen explains, ‘‘The hospitality
                                                              industry is one of the few careers left that one can make a good
                                                              living and move up quickly without a college education.’’ Think of
                                                              the millions of jobs that are involved in this business from front of
                                                              the house, in the kitchen, to farms, delivery drivers, sanitation
                                                              companies, food and beverage distributors. Ms. Koteen has already
                                                              had to cut hours and jobs because of New York’s hike in the tipped
                                                              minimum wage to $10 per hour, and she said that a $15 per hour
                                                              minimum would force many small and independently-owned busi-
                                                              nesses to close their doors or completely change the way they do
                                                              business.
                                                                 Betsy LeRoy owns Pizza by Elizabeths in Delaware, and she
                                                              served and staunchly supports President Biden. She explains, ‘‘It
                                                              would be difficult to absorb any increase in labor costs right now,
                                                              much less the steep increase Mr. Biden has proposed. Even in good
                                                              times, our profit margins were low. Today, our profit margins are
                                                              nonexistent, as is our ability to increase prices.’’ She said a $15
                                                              minimum wage would be a death knell to her industry and she
                                                              asked President Biden to ‘‘save my restaurant from the good inten-
                                                              tions of progressive policymakers.’’
                                                                 These examples show that policymakers cannot mandate higher
                                                              wages into existence without hurting many of the people they want
                                                              to help. But there are better ways to help workers achieve higher
                                                              incomes without hurting others, such as expanding alternative edu-
                                                              cation opportunities, like apprenticeships, reforming occupational
                                                              licensing laws so that it is easier and less costly for workers to use
                                                              their talents to earn an income, and by protecting workers’ rights
                                                              to contract and earn income through flexible and independent jobs.
                                                              Thank you.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Thank you, Ms. Greszler. And thank you
                                                              to all our witnesses. We appreciate everything you have shared
                                                              with us and look forward to a thoughtful and productive hearing.
                                                                 I will begin by recognizing myself for 5 minutes.
                                                                 Dr. Shierholz, I will start with you. A report published by your
                                                              colleagues at the Economic Policy Institute in January of last year,
                                                              2020, argued that policy discussions often treat the Earned Income
                                                              Tax Credit (EITC) expansion and minimum wage increases as al-
                                                              ternatives of which we should simply choose just one. But in re-
                                                              ality, of course, the paper argues also that ‘‘the two policies are
                                                              complementary and may be more effective in combination than ei-
                                                              ther is on its own.’’
                                                                 So before I move on, I would like to ask for unanimous consent
                                                              to insert this report from EPI into the Committee record.
                                                                 Without objection, the letter will be inserted.
                                                                 So my question, Dr. Shierholz is, please speak to how tax provi-
                                                              sions like the EITC and the Payroll Tax Credit can, and perhaps
                                                              should be used to balance the burden placed on small businesses
                                                              that would result from higher wages.
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. So this is a really important topic. For exam-
                                                              ple, the EITC and strong minimum wages are often presented as
                                                              being in opposition but they are absolutely companion pieces. The




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                                                              EITC in particular is just an incredibly important program, but one
                                                              fundamental issue with it is that because workers get the EITC,
                                                              they will actually accept lower based wages from employers. And
                                                              this means employers actually capture a meaningful chunk of ex-
                                                              penditures on the EITC. So a strong minimum wage is hugely im-
                                                              portant in this context because it limits the amount of EITC ex-
                                                              penditures that employers can capture. So it is just these two
                                                              pieces go hand in hand. At this point it is definitely a both/and. We
                                                              should both increase the EITC and increase minimum wages to $15
                                                              in 2025.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Okay, thank you.
                                                                 I also want to follow up with Ms. Greszler. In your written testi-
                                                              mony, you discuss how the EITC essentially ensures that parents
                                                              do not earn a true minimum wage and that gains from the EITC
                                                              would phase out as workers earn more. So could you expand a little
                                                              bit on how those two notions, the two policies would interact and
                                                              what conditions in the labor market would need to be present to
                                                              maximize the EITC’s usefulness and describe how it might be
                                                              modified to boost the economic security of low wage workers?
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. Yeah, I think this is an example where we have
                                                              these good policy aims but then there are consequences to them as
                                                              well. And so the consequence with the Earned Income Tax Credit
                                                              is, of course, that it has to phase out eventually over time. And
                                                              when you are phasing out, that is a lower rate that individuals are
                                                              earning. And when you talk about increasing the minimum wage,
                                                              that is going to impact a fair number of single parents who are
                                                              earning lower wages. Even if it is above the $7.25, this could poten-
                                                              tially push them into the phaseout zone of the Earned Income Tax
                                                              Credit. And whereas they might have been getting a 35 or 40 per-
                                                              cent subsidy on their wages previously, now they would be getting
                                                              21 percent lower than their actual stated wage because of that
                                                              phaseout. And so it is tricky here to find the right balance between
                                                              those things. But I think that the point is that we do have a pro-
                                                              gram that is specifically aimed at working parents, and that is dif-
                                                              ferent than the minimum wage which affects everybody, including
                                                              teenagers and the people who need to get their foot into the door.
                                                              And that is kind of the basis here is that the minimum wage needs
                                                              to be the bottom rungs on the career ladder so that people can step
                                                              in and they can climb their way up. And we do not want to cut
                                                              those off for tens of millions of Americans.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Okay, thank you.
                                                                 I have got about a minute left. Mr. Puckett, one area that I think
                                                              we have failed to investigate and consider much is how a policy
                                                              like this will surely help millions, tens of millions of Americans at
                                                              the lowest wage scale. But how would it affect an entity like Punch
                                                              Pizza with 300 people, I think you mentioned seven tiers of pay.
                                                              How would this increase ultimately affect the entire wage inflation
                                                              issue, if you will, at a company like Punch?
                                                                 Mr. PUCKETT. Thank you, Chairman Phillips. That is a good
                                                              question. And we are really experiencing that today. As you prob-
                                                              ably know, about half our stores are in Minneapolis-St. Paul mar-
                                                              kets and both of those markets will be going to $15 an hour in the
                                                              next 18 to 30 months. And we do offer a significant boost to wage
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                                                              encouraged that increase in our employee skills. But it is a signifi-
                                                              cant inflation. Our total labor cost is about 40 percent of sales.
                                                                 The flip side is we think advancement and giving our employees
                                                              a chance to build a career. The alternative to that is not very good.
                                                              A job with no career or no advancement. So we are trying to figure
                                                              it out. And we look forward to having customers in our dining
                                                              rooms and business restored so we can get back to more normalcy.
                                                              But it is definitely a challenge. And as anything at Punch, we have
                                                              a saying on our wall, ‘‘Figure it out.’’ We are going to figure it out.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Here, here. Thank you, Mr. Puckett.
                                                                 My time has expired, so now I will turn it to the Ranking Mem-
                                                              ber, Ms. Van Duyne for 5 minutes.
                                                                 Ms. VAN DUYNE. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
                                                                 Ms. Greszler, can you talk to us a little bit about the second and
                                                              third layer effects of price increases due to an increase in the min-
                                                              imum wage?
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. Certainly. So when employers have choices of
                                                              how to respond to these higher wage increases, one of the most nat-
                                                              ural ones is to raise prices. And so there are some industries where
                                                              they will be able to raise their prices—grocery stores, restaurants.
                                                              The Heritage Foundation estimated that a $15 per hour minimum
                                                              wage would increase prices at fast food restaurants by 38 percent.
                                                              But then there are also other industries that cannot raise their
                                                              prices. Childcare is one of those. It is highly regulated. There are
                                                              very strict child-to-teacher ratios, square footage-to-child ratios.
                                                              And there is really no room to reduce costs through labor, so they
                                                              would have to strictly increase their prices. But we already know
                                                              that childcare is extremely costly, even unaffordable to millions of
                                                              families, and I have estimated that just raising the minimum wage
                                                              to $15 per hour would increase the cost of childcare by 21 percent
                                                              across the U.S. And as I said, 10 states would have 30 percent or
                                                              larger increases. So we are talking about in some states families
                                                              would face an extra $6,000 per year for two children to attend
                                                              childcare. And of course, this leads to them having to make family
                                                              decisions. One worker might need to stay home. Somebody might
                                                              need to make more so that they can pay for childcare and then
                                                              they are spending less time with their children. So all of these
                                                              things just kind of spiral out of control.
                                                                 And I think one other second order is that we are looking at the
                                                              immediate job losses and thinking of them. You know, 1.4 million,
                                                              2.7 million, whatever it is, but you are talking about a lot of young
                                                              workers who do not have an opportunity to get their foot in the
                                                              door. And studies have shown that teens who are exposed to higher
                                                              minimum wages have lower earnings in the future. And those who
                                                              actually work and are employed in minimum wage jobs have high-
                                                              er earnings because there is so much value to that experience. And
                                                              for some of them, it is the only way they get their foo tin the door.
                                                                 As you pointed out, the CBO said that half of the people who lose
                                                              their jobs are going to give up looking for work in a few years from
                                                              now, and that is not what we want for society. I mean, the Amer-
                                                              ican Dream is not to come here and to live on government welfare
                                                              benefits and to just be sedentary. People want to work and to
                                                              produce things of value.
                                                                 Ms. VAN DUYNE. I appreciate that.




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                                                                 The cost of a dollar in Middle America is different than the cost
                                                              of a dollar on the Coasts. So how does creating a ‘‘one size fits all’’
                                                              minimum wage impact states differently?
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. That is a great point is that the minimum wage
                                                              really should be a local wage. Not even a state wage. I grew up in
                                                              a very small town in Western New York State, 5 minutes from
                                                              Pennsylvania where you can still buy a good home for $60,000. And
                                                              so the cost of living just varies so much across the United States.
                                                              And as I was talking to some business owners, you know, about
                                                              their employees that are working there, some of them are very con-
                                                              tent earning the $10-$15 minimum wage range because that is a
                                                              decent living in some places, especially if you are in a two-income
                                                              household. And I just do not think that it is the role of lawmakers
                                                              in D.C. to say that we picked this one size that fits everybody. You
                                                              know, we saw in Seattle, they are already a high-cost area and
                                                              they are better able to absorb these higher minimum wages, but
                                                              even there, when they raised their minimum wage from $11 to $13
                                                              per hour, the studies showed that, yes, the employment effects
                                                              were not huge. They were slightly negative. But the biggest thing
                                                              was there was a shift. And so the lower experienced workers had
                                                              to go outside the city to find their jobs, whereas the companies just
                                                              started hiring and keeping the more experienced workers and it
                                                              made it harder for entry level workers to get their foot in the door.
                                                                 Ms. VAN DUYNE. One of the most popular case studies on min-
                                                              imum wage came out of Seattle, Washington. Can you just describe
                                                              the impact that the minimum wage had on those Seattle workers?
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. Yes. So it did slightly benefit the wages of the
                                                              workers who kept their jobs, and those were the more experienced
                                                              workers. But then there were less experienced workers who were
                                                              pushed outside of their jobs or who maybe had their hours cut and
                                                              had to go outside of Seattle to find more income and more job avail-
                                                              ability. And I think that that is an important thing to look at be-
                                                              cause when we are talking about on a national scale, that leaves
                                                              nowhere else for these workers and these businesses to go. And we
                                                              can look at websites like the Faces of 15 who document hundreds
                                                              of small businesses who have been affected by rising wage in-
                                                              creases, and a lot of them who have struggled to keep their doors
                                                              open have sometimes moved somewhere else. And we are cutting
                                                              off that opportunity by saying that $15 works across the entire
                                                              U.S. And actually, we are advantaging those places who have al-
                                                              ready gotten to $15 per hour because they have already been there
                                                              and they have higher costs of living, whereas, it is going to be the
                                                              lower cost of living areas who would be most devastated by this.
                                                                 Ms. VAN DUYNE. Great. Thank you very much, Ms. Greszler.
                                                                 I yield back.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Now I would like to recognize the
                                                              gentlelady from New York, Chairwoman Nydia Velázquez, Chair-
                                                              woman of the Small Business Committee, for 5 minutes.
                                                                 Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you for
                                                              holding this important meeting, and the Ranking Member.
                                                                 Dr. Shierholz, the last time we raised the minimum wage was in
                                                              2007 and it was only by a mere 65 cents. Can you walk us through
                                                              how the minimum wage has changed in value over time and what
                                                              effect this has had on workers and the economy?




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                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. You have to unmute, please.
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. I am so sorry. I am that person in every room.
                                                              I guess hearings are just no exception.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. We have all been there.
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. I will just say, okay, I will go quickly. I know
                                                              I am wasting time.
                                                                 Workers today who earn $7.25 an hour are paid 30 percent less
                                                              in real terms than their counterparts were paid 53 years ago. We
                                                              have seen a dramatic erosion of the real value of the minimum
                                                              wage. At the same time, productivity growth has kept marching on.
                                                              Labor productivity has more than doubled over this period. And I
                                                              think I mentioned this in my original comments, but if minimum
                                                              wage increases just kept pace with productivity they would be over
                                                              $23 in 2025. So what we are seeing is that low-wage workers have
                                                              not shared in any of the country’s growth over the last half cen-
                                                              tury, meaning they have experienced much lower living standards
                                                              and higher poverty rates than our economy could have afforded
                                                              them. And a $15 minimum wage in 2025 would help reverse that.
                                                                 Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you. And can you please expand on the
                                                              positive impacts an increased minimum wage will have on small
                                                              businesses?
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. Yeah. So this is a really important question.
                                                              I think one of the things that we see with small businesses is they
                                                              are the folks, small businesses are people who are most likely to
                                                              work side by side with their low-wage employees. They know them.
                                                              They know their families. They know their children. They hired
                                                              them themselves. They really want to be able to give them a raise.
                                                              But when the Federal minimum wage is very low, when the overall
                                                              minimum wage is low, they cannot raise the minimum wages inde-
                                                              pendently because it puts them at a big disadvantage, a competi-
                                                              tive disadvantage to larger employers who can pay less. And so
                                                              raising the minimum wage actually allows them to pay their work-
                                                              ers more, to attract and retain the workers that they need. And
                                                              also as I mentioned before, it means they will face lower turnover
                                                              and a more productive workforce, not face high turnover costs. And
                                                              then a higher minimum wage means greater demand for their
                                                              goods and services. When you put money in the pockets of low-
                                                              wage workers, those are the workers who are very likely to have
                                                              no other choice but to immediately have to spend it. And that
                                                              means an increased demand for goods and services which is good
                                                              for business.
                                                                 Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you.
                                                                 Mr. Puckett, you mentioned that most of your management hires
                                                              come from inhouse and you have a workforce development program
                                                              for employees that show promise. How has this benefitted your
                                                              business? And do you recommend that other businesses do similar,
                                                              something similar?
                                                                 Mr. PUCKETT. I think it has been a vital part of our business
                                                              because it gives people a chance to build a career. We would like
                                                              to reward our top employees with a great job that they can, you
                                                              know, buy a house, send their kids to school, and being able to
                                                              offer that in the restaurant business where we do not even require
                                                              a high school GED to succeed. We just require passion, enthusiasm,
                                                              and reliability. So it is very important to our culture.




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                                                                 I would not want to encourage my direct competition to do it. We
                                                              think it is so important but I think obviously it is a great thing for
                                                              businesses to offer a career from a starting hourly.
                                                                 Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you. And many have suggested that an
                                                              increase in the minimum wage is too much, too fast, but the Raise
                                                              the Wage Act increased the wage gradually and over a period of 4
                                                              years. If the bill passes and the first raise is on June 1st to $9.50,
                                                              will your business be impacted by this?
                                                                 Mr. PUCKETT. Punch Pizza’s business will not. And really, we
                                                              are almost operating today like, I believe, your scheduled wages
                                                              would be in 2023 and 2024 given the very strong economy in Min-
                                                              nesota to pay more than our competitors pay. We are really start-
                                                              ing at $13 an hour already.
                                                                 Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you.
                                                                 Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Thank you, Madam Chair.
                                                                 And now I recognize the gentleman from Minnesota, my friend,
                                                              Mr. Hagedorn, for 5 minutes.
                                                                 Mr. HAGEDORN. Mr. Chairman and the Ranking Member,
                                                              thank you. I appreciate that.
                                                                 I just think this is the wrong approach. This ‘‘one size fits all’’
                                                              deal as a mandate from Washington is not good. It certainly is not
                                                              good for a rural district like mine in southern Minnesota. And it
                                                              seems like if we want to build up folks’ wages and opportunities,
                                                              we should just look at what we did in the last 4 years with Presi-
                                                              dent Trump and Republican policies that made sense and worked.
                                                              Tax reform was excellent. Regulatory reform, less regulations, low-
                                                              cost energy, trade deals like USMCA. We have the strongest econ-
                                                              omy in our Nation’s history with the lowest recorded unemploy-
                                                              ment. And people who had ‘‘been left behind’’ in the past were
                                                              doing better than ever. I mean, I would like to see us not have $15
                                                              minimum wage as our goal. Fifty thousand dollar jobs is the goal.
                                                              And when you have like we did a year ago 1.2 million open jobs
                                                              and not even the people to fill them, you can guess what happens.
                                                              Wages go up. Businesses do everything they can to find good em-
                                                              ployees. And I think we just need to build the economy rather than
                                                              mandate from Washington.
                                                                 But I think about how this works in my hometown. I go to the
                                                              grocery store there. There are a lot of young kids working in that
                                                              grocery store getting their start. I think you do a $15 minimum
                                                              wage in Blue Earth, Minnesota, you are going to be cutting some
                                                              staff. You are going to be cutting some opportunities. And it is
                                                              going to hurt that grocery store. It is going to put them in a posi-
                                                              tion, they are probably struggling already, it is a small community.
                                                              You know, they are not making the big bucks like some of the
                                                              stores up in Minneapolis and St. Paul. And you close that grocery
                                                              store in Blue Earth, Minnesota, you are going to destroy that city.
                                                              You are going to really undermine the whole community. We can-
                                                              not have that in our small communities. We need to defend them,
                                                              not put them in a position where they can go out of business.
                                                                 Now, we talked to Bonnie Vetter, the Fleet and Farm and Ace
                                                              Supply in Fairmont and St. James, she says that this is going to
                                                              hurt them. They are going to have to drop employees. They are




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                                                              going to have to cut staff. I would like to put her letter in the
                                                              record if I could, Mr. Chairman with your consent.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Without objection.
                                                                 Mr. HAGEDORN. And then, you know, I talked to my friend Wes
                                                              Otto who owns Zanz Restaurant up in Mankato. Small restaurant,
                                                              good tacos and all that stuff. And he writes they would have to re-
                                                              duce, with this $15 minimum wage, reduce staff by 20 percent and
                                                              raise food prices by 25 to 30 percent. And then he adds this, other
                                                              costs will more likely go up for our business such as vendor prices,
                                                              cleaning services, and window washers because those employees
                                                              are going to be paid more and those prices, those costs are going
                                                              to be passed along to this restaurant and that is going to put him
                                                              in a position of cutting staff or maybe going out of business. It is
                                                              not all good stuff.
                                                                 I would like to put Mr. Otto’s letter in the record as well, Mr.
                                                              Chairman.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Without objection.
                                                                 Mr. HAGEDORN. So I would ask Ms. Greszler, what Mr. Otto
                                                              says about driving up other costs, unintended consequences of this,
                                                              it is not just the direct cost that he has for labor but maybe other
                                                              costs for services. Does that square with you? Is that something
                                                              you could see on the horizon for businesses?
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. I think absolutely this is going to drive up all
                                                              types of costs and that is clear when CBO said that it is not just
                                                              the 17 million impacted workers who would have higher wages but
                                                              10 million more above that. And it is the same thing that I heard
                                                              when talking to employers is it just cycles upward. And so while
                                                              some of the employers we have here today have a competitive ad-
                                                              vantage from paying higher wages, you lose that competitive ad-
                                                              vantage when everybody is paying that wage. And so therefore,
                                                              they have to increase their wages even higher to maintain those
                                                              workers because the reality is if everybody that is below 15 is
                                                              brought up to that 15 and you have some very experienced workers
                                                              who are making just as much as an entry level person, and they
                                                              are not going to want to keep that job anymore if they could go
                                                              take an easier one. And this really just cycles out of control.
                                                                 And to your point at the beginning of the differences here across
                                                              the U.S., we are talking about an extremely high minimum wage
                                                              for some areas. And I think that Puerto Rico is a good example of
                                                              where we might be headed here. The $7.25 minimum wage for the
                                                              U.S., which applies to Puerto Rico, is over 70 percent of the median
                                                              wage there. Fifteen dollars per hour is the median wage in Mis-
                                                              sissippi. And across the entire U.S., we are getting close to that
                                                              percentage that it would be for Puerto Rico at 15. Well, Puerto Rico
                                                              has a 40 percent labor force participation rate. That is abysmally
                                                              low and it is nowhere near where we would want to be. That is 30
                                                              percent lower than the U.S. has right now. We do not want to push
                                                              all these people out of jobs and then have to supplement it with
                                                              something like a universal basic income and just all these costs
                                                              that are simply unaffordable. The economy will not work that way.
                                                                 Mr. HAGEDORN. Thank you.
                                                                 I just think the better approach is to build up our economy. Do
                                                              the pro-growth policies that work. Help people that way. And these
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                                                              are going to destroy areas like rural southern Minnesota. And I do
                                                              not think it is in the best interest of the people. Thank you.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. And now I recognize the gentlelady from
                                                              Minnesota, another friend from Minnesota, Representative Angie
                                                              Craig, for 5 minutes.
                                                                 Ms. CRAIG. Thank you so much, Chairman Phillips. And con-
                                                              gratulations on your leadership here of the Subcommittee. I am
                                                              looking forward to working even more closely with my fellow Min-
                                                              nesotan here to help our small businesses across the state.
                                                                 I am grateful for this hearing today and thank you for the wit-
                                                              nesses for sharing your experiences and your expertise.
                                                                 The data today to me is clear. Raising the minimum wage gradu-
                                                              ally over the next several years would lift nearly a million people
                                                              out of poverty and significantly improve the quality of life for mil-
                                                              lions more.
                                                                 As an advocate of small business, I do want to be sure we can
                                                              increase the minimum wage in a sustainable way for our Main
                                                              Street businesses, especially those that have been impacted by the
                                                              COVID-19 pandemic, mainly restaurants. I am a proud cosponsor
                                                              of the Restaurant Act and have pushed for the inclusion of a grant
                                                              program for restaurants in the American Rescue Plan that we ex-
                                                              pect to vote on later this week. That bill would include $25 billion
                                                              in grant money for a new SBA administered Restaurant Revitaliza-
                                                              tion Fund.
                                                                 With that, I want to turn my question to a leader in the res-
                                                              taurant industry and another fellow Minnesotan. It feels like it is
                                                              Minnesota Day on the Small Business Committee. Mr. Puckett,
                                                              thank you so much for being here today. Your positive contribu-
                                                              tions to the state of Minnesota and this industry are indisputable
                                                              and really evident in your testimony today. And to me and my staff
                                                              as well, we are all big fans of Punch Pizza back in Minnesota, espe-
                                                              cially your location in Eagan.
                                                                 You talked in your testimony about the immense loss of revenue
                                                              your business has experienced due to the pandemic, which we
                                                              know is a trend across restaurants. Can you speak for just a
                                                              minute on how restaurants receiving grant dollars through the
                                                              SBA’s Revitalization Fund would help assist the industry in recov-
                                                              ering?
                                                                 Mr. PUCKETT. Thank you so much for that good question. We
                                                              appreciate all you and your staff’s business as well back home in
                                                              Minnesota.
                                                                 The grant programs, similar to the Paycheck Protection Program,
                                                              have enabled us to operate in this scary, frightening environment
                                                              but keep our employees safe and withstand some just frightening
                                                              losses. We never lost money. Punch even made money its first year
                                                              of business. It was successful. So to just keep jobs, keep our em-
                                                              ployees, keep our stores operating, keep our landlords paid, oper-
                                                              ating at a loss until we get back to more normalcy, the comfort and
                                                              the protection knowing that we are not going to go out of business
                                                              because of the Paycheck Protection Program, and I hope that you
                                                              are successful with the new restaurant program. That enables us
                                                              to tolerate the losses in cashflow and make sure our vendors are
                                                              being paid and our landlords and employees are being paid.




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                                                                 Ms. CRAIG. Mr. Puckett, let me follow up back a little bit closer
                                                              to the topic and subject of this hearing today. I know Minnesota
                                                              has gradually raised the minimum wage in the last few years and
                                                              I know in your testimony you talked about the impact on talent
                                                              that you are able to recruit to your restaurants.
                                                                 Minnesota has done what we are attempting to do somewhat at
                                                              the Federal level here already. Give us some sense of how you were
                                                              impacted by Minnesota’s minimum wage increase, and if so, what
                                                              were some of the tactics you used to navigate those impacts?
                                                                 Mr. PUCKETT. Thank you for the question. Yes, as you know,
                                                              Minneapolis and St. Paul I believe were in the $10-$12 range at
                                                              present for minimum wage. And so it has forced us to stay above
                                                              that. And what we have also done is offer higher wages for cooks
                                                              than cashiers. So we have a range. So we are ranging from $12-
                                                              $15 an hour. And in general, for Punch, our cashiers are more part-
                                                              time students and our cooks are more people that are household
                                                              heads or their family is primarily responsible. So one of the ways
                                                              we have done it is also look for ways to grow sales. And expanding
                                                              digital sales, figuring out the takeout business has been one of the
                                                              maybe unintended benefits of COVID-19 is that we have been able
                                                              to survive with 100 percent takeout, and we think that coming out
                                                              of the pandemic that we will be able to retain more of that busi-
                                                              ness and hopefully continue to stay ahead of the minimum wage.
                                                                 Ms. CRAIG. Mr. Puckett, thank you so much. Sadly, I am out of
                                                              time. And so with that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Thank you.
                                                                 Now, I recognize the gentleman from Pennsylvania, my friend
                                                              Dan Meuser for 5 minutes.
                                                                 Mr. MEUSER. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. And I
                                                              thank the Ranking Member. Thank you to the witnesses here with
                                                              us today as well.
                                                                 So we are hearing some theory, some data, and some from the
                                                              real world. I think this issue, its intent is fine. The intent is to try
                                                              to help. But the Federal government stepping in and saying I am
                                                              here to help on a macro level for every business in town throughout
                                                              the United States usually does not work out. The idea of helping
                                                              employees by telling employers what to pay them, President Biden
                                                              actually said that raising the minimum wage to $15 across the Na-
                                                              tion, regardless of the economic situation of the area, somehow that
                                                              is going to help businesses through this very difficult recovery.
                                                                 So lets look at a little bit of the data. According to the Bureau
                                                              of Labor, 392,000, .48 percent of employees of workers in the work-
                                                              force make the minimum wage. Another 1.2 million are in that cat-
                                                              egory as well but they earn tips. So they make more, much more
                                                              than the minimum wage. Two-thirds of those who make minimum
                                                              wage within 9 months are out of the minimum wage category.
                                                              Eighty percent that make minimum wage are part time, and it is
                                                              estimated, and there are lots of reports on this, we have to agree
                                                              upon that, that nearly 67 percent of the job losses that occur, if we
                                                              move to $15, are between the ages of 16 to 24. Sixteen years of age
                                                              to 24. So that is when opportunity is being created. Right? So
                                                              again, there are reports from the CBO. They say 1.4 million jobs.
                                                              The NFIB states how damaging it will be. There was the Seattle
                                                              report from a couple years back.




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                                                                  And I think all of us, I was in business for 25 years. Small busi-
                                                              ness, large business. If this would work, I think we would all sign
                                                              on and say lets go if this would actually do the things that theoreti-
                                                              cally we are hearing from economists that will take place. But
                                                              there is a real world out there and I live in it, and I still live in
                                                              it.
                                                                  And Mr. Chairman, I have some testimony from the following
                                                              small businesses: Boyer’s Food, Knoebels Amusement Park in my
                                                              district, Luigi’s Brick Oven Pizza. Great pizza in Tamaqua.
                                                              Klinger’s Restaurants and Gary Seibert, who runs a Small Busi-
                                                              ness Resource Association. And Boyer’s Food has 374 full-time em-
                                                              ployees, 709 part-time. Their average wage is about $13. Super-
                                                              markets run on 1 percent margins. Okay? So doing this will force
                                                              them to raise prices and have a more difficult time than they have
                                                              already had. Knoebels is an amusement park that largely provides
                                                              for summer jobs during the season, seasonal. Every kid within 60
                                                              miles, young person, wants to work for Knoebels during the sum-
                                                              mer because they sit at a pool and watch people come down on log
                                                              flumes. And if we were to do this they would have to enormously
                                                              cut back. They are in Central Pennsylvania, not Austin, Texas or,
                                                              you know, New York City. Klinger, a restaurant, same sort of situ-
                                                              ation. They believe they would have 40 percent less business. They
                                                              would have to increase their prices and lose customers. And Luigi’s
                                                              says the same thing. He would have to increase his prices which
                                                              equals in the real world less customers. Increase the price, people
                                                              want less of it.
                                                                  So I will ask Ms. Greszler this. Since our restaurants have had
                                                              the most difficult time during this pandemic and should be tar-
                                                              geted in the upcoming so-called Relief Package, what will this do,
                                                              Ms. Greszler, to restaurants applying this mandate on them?
                                                                  Ms. GRESZLER. This is in the worst possible time that we could
                                                              put a new mandate on restaurants. They have already reduced
                                                              their employment by 20 to 30 percent during the pandemic. Dozens
                                                              of restaurants have gone out of business completely. Big name res-
                                                              taurants. I mean, hundreds, if not thousands across the United
                                                              States have. And so when Congress is looking at ways to help these
                                                              restaurants and other small businesses, this is not throwing them
                                                              a lifeline. This is throwing them a load of bricks. These businesses
                                                              are out there struggling to survive and they have the hope, espe-
                                                              cially as the vaccines are rolling out, that there is a future there
                                                              and that they will be able to recover. But jobs that are lost to a
                                                              $15 per hour minimum wage will not come back. Those are the
                                                              types of jobs that big companies like Amazon will be able to, you
                                                              know, automate out of existence, outsource to other companies. I
                                                              mean, these jobs will not come back and that is the sad reality here
                                                              is that we are talking about a completely different environment
                                                              where there are not opportunities for tens of millions of Americans,
                                                              especially young workers, to get their foot in the door.
                                                                  Mr. MEUSER. Thank you very much. I yield back, Mr. Chair-
                                                              man.
                                                                  Chairman PHILLIPS. We will see if we cannot do a second round
                                                              of questioning, too, and come back, Mr. Meuser.
                                                                  Now I recognize the gentlelady from California, Ms. Chu, for 5
                                                              minutes.




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                                                                 Ms. CHU. Thank you.
                                                                 Dr. Shierholz, your testimony discusses the importance of elimi-
                                                              nating the subminimum wage for tipped workers. In my home state
                                                              of California, tipped workers are paid the same minimum wage as
                                                              nontipped workers, at least $14 an hour, arising to $15 an hour by
                                                              next year. I am so proud of my state for leading the country by
                                                              raising the wage to $15 and for eliminating the harmful and dis-
                                                              criminatory subminimum wage for tipped workers. So these steps
                                                              have been a success.
                                                                 Now, before the pandemic, our restaurant industry was robust
                                                              employing nearly 1.5 million people at over 75,000 establishments.
                                                              That includes an estimated 1,700 restaurants in my district alone.
                                                              What is the problem with the subminimum wage and what advan-
                                                              tages do tipped workers in states like California have over those
                                                              in states that have a subminimum wage, tipped wage which can be
                                                              as low as $2.13 an hour?
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. The advantages in those seven states that do
                                                              not have a subminimum wage for tipped workers is enormous. So
                                                              one of the things we know is that tipped workers have much higher
                                                              poverty rates than nontipped workers but that difference is sub-
                                                              stantially lower in those states that have phased out their submin-
                                                              imum wage for tipped workers. What that means is that the sub-
                                                              minimum wage for tipped workers reduces living standards of
                                                              tipped workers. It raises poverty of tipped workers and doing away
                                                              with it could help reverse that.
                                                                 I think one of the things that happens is people think of, you
                                                              know, people typically think of tipped workers as being servers in
                                                              fine dining establishments who actually bring in a lot of tips and
                                                              those people exist but they are a very small slice of tipped workers.
                                                              And we need to actually keep the big picture in mind.
                                                                 Can I just make one little thing? There has been a lot of talk
                                                              about teenagers in this hearing and I just think it is useful to bring
                                                              some data to this. While people who would benefit from increasing
                                                              the minimum wage are frequently characterized as teenagers, that
                                                              stereotype is profoundly wrong. Only 1 in 10 people who would
                                                              benefit from raising the minimum wage to $15 in 2025 is a teen-
                                                              ager. I think teenagers should get decent wages but let’s actually
                                                              just be clear about who is really being impacted by this policy.
                                                                 Ms. CHU. And I want to thank you for saying that because there
                                                              are those who are saying we do not have to raise the minimum
                                                              wage because these are just teens trying to earn extra money. But
                                                              as you said, that is not true; only 10 percent of them are teens. But
                                                              they also should earn a decent living from their work.
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. Yeah. More than half of the people who would
                                                              see a raise are what are known as prime working age adults be-
                                                              tween the ages of 25 and 54 who provide a ton of the income that
                                                              their family needs to make ends meet. These jobs matter for these
                                                              people.
                                                                 Ms. CHU. Exactly.
                                                                 Dr. Shierholz, another thing that distresses me is the gender pay
                                                              gap. And women earn just 81 percent of the median weekly pay
                                                              earned by men. Women of color are even more disproportionately
                                                              affected. Black women earn 61 cents for every dollar earned by
                                                              men. Native American women, 58 cents. Latinas, 53 cents, and




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                                                              AAPI women, while they earn 85 cents. But the thing is that we
                                                              can close this wage gap. In California, women own 89 percent of
                                                              the median wage earned by men. And in fact, those states with the
                                                              smallest gender pay gap all have minimum wages that are above
                                                              the Federal minimum wage of $7.25.
                                                                 So can you explain to us why a $15 minimum wage will reduce
                                                              the gender pay gap?
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. Yeah. No, that is a really important question.
                                                              We know like the CBO’s report shows that raising the minimum
                                                              wage to $15 in 2025 will reduce overall income inequality but it
                                                              will also reduce other kinds of inequality like gender pay gaps.
                                                              What we know is that due to the impacts of structural sexism,
                                                              women are more likely to be in jobs that are affected by a min-
                                                              imum wage increase. So that just mechanically mean that raising
                                                              the minimum wage is going to reduce gender wage gaps. It is a
                                                              very important tool to create a more equal economy along gender
                                                              lines than we have right now which is deeply unequal.
                                                                 Ms. CHU. Yes. And the states with the largest gender pay gap
                                                              all follow the Federal minimum wage. I would point that out.
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. I did not know that.
                                                                 Ms. CHU. And I yield back.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. The gentlelady from New York, Ms.
                                                              Tenney, is recognized for 5 minutes.
                                                                 Ms. TENNEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is an honor to be
                                                              on the Committee with you, and I hope to get to know you well.
                                                                 I just wanted to speak as a small business owner, someone who
                                                              has lived through this minimum wage and the negative effects,
                                                              though well intentioned, it has been my experience as a business
                                                              owner that although I would love to pay all my employees the high-
                                                              est wage I could possibly pay, I also had to deal in a competitive
                                                              industry where my cost as a New York State business competing
                                                              across state lines was significantly difficult.
                                                                 And I wanted to put into the record, Mr. Chairman, some testi-
                                                              mony and a letter from Amanda Potter, who runs a women-owned
                                                              business that she started with her husband. It is called AP Master
                                                              Images in Utica, New York. Mr. Potter had a really tough lifestyle
                                                              growing up in foster care and his wife Amanda led the charge to
                                                              really put forth this wonderful business. And has expressed deep
                                                              concern about raising the minimum wage and the effects it could
                                                              have on their company. She cites a few specific things. If I could
                                                              get that in the record I would greatly appreciate it.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Without objection.
                                                                 Ms. TENNEY. Thank you so much.
                                                                 Among those, as I think many people do not realize, is that once
                                                              the minimum wage is increased, that also increases a lot of the
                                                              other expenses that go along with maintaining competitiveness and
                                                              having employees, such as the taxes, the healthcare insurance,
                                                              paid leave in New York State, and many other items. Ms. Potter
                                                              indicated to me in her testimony, and I will just summarize that
                                                              it costs them over $100,000 over the next 2 years just by the in-
                                                              crease in minimum wage in New York State. This made them less
                                                              competitive and unable to compete across state lines. But also, un-
                                                              able to compete for employees in some ways and also give advan-




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                                                              tages to employees who, for reasons, you know, are part-time and
                                                              just looking for part-time work.
                                                                 And that is something I wanted to bring up and I wanted to ask
                                                              Dr. Shierholz if she could answer a question for me.
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. Yes, wait, sorry. What was the question?
                                                                 Ms. TENNEY. Yeah, I wanted to just ask you a question. You
                                                              indicated in your testimony that the $15 is the ideal wage that we
                                                              should move to now. And you also alluded to the fact that $23 per
                                                              hour is what the wage should be. And based on your testimony, can
                                                              you tell me why the wage should not go to $23 an hour instead of
                                                              just $15? And what economic reasons would you argue that we do
                                                              not need to go to $23 an hour today?
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. That is a really good question. So one thing
                                                              obviously that even the $15 does not go to $15 today. It goes in five
                                                              steps by 2025. What that, $23, I am actually not suggesting that
                                                              that is necessarily where the minimum wage should be. What it
                                                              says to me is that there is a lot of wiggle room. Even above 15
                                                              where the economy could still afford to pay workers that little if
                                                              it had just kept up with productivity growth——
                                                                 Ms. TENNEY. Just to reclaim my time for a minute. Can you tell
                                                              me, yeah, just I want to get a more precise answer. Why are you
                                                              not advocating for a $23 minimum wage, or even a $50 if it is such
                                                              a benefit? And why would it not be good either way? I mean, $50
                                                              would be even better, $23 would be even better. Twenty-three or
                                                              50 would be even better than a 15. So why would you not advocate
                                                              for those if it is going to be such a boon to the economy and it
                                                              would make it even across the board?
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. I do not think that it would. I think we have
                                                              two key programs or two key things that deal with the issue of low
                                                              wages in this country. It is the minimum wage in broad terms, the
                                                              minimum wage and the EITC. Those things work together to make
                                                              sure that low-wage workers actually have enough to make ends
                                                              meet. And so a $15 minimum wage combined with a strong EITC
                                                              is the program that I would go for instead of trying to make it all
                                                              up with increasing the minimum wage.
                                                                 Ms. TENNEY. Okay. So thank you. So let me just summarize
                                                              your answer is that government needs to come in and determine
                                                              wages as opposed to the free market.
                                                                 I just wanted to suggest another issue in terms of issues with the
                                                              minimum wage. There are also people who serve in a part-time ca-
                                                              pacity who now would lose their wages. One of the most compelling
                                                              testimonies I received from people on this issue before was from a
                                                              group of students who now would lose their summer jobs because
                                                              of the increase in minimum wage and less of them would be able
                                                              to work. So those were government-paid jobs. And I just want to
                                                              emphasize that we would love to all pay our employees more, but
                                                              unfortunately, inflation and the economy have prevented us from
                                                              being able to do that. But I want to thank the Chairman, and I
                                                              look forward to further discussion on this issue. Thank you so
                                                              much.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Now I recognize the gentleman from Penn-
                                                              sylvania, Mr. Evans, for 5 minutes.




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                                                                 Mr. EVANS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I am going to have
                                                              to visit Minnesota to get some of Mr. Puckett’s pizza. I want to ask
                                                              him a question.
                                                                 Do you think that retention rate would be 2.5 percent longer
                                                              than the industry average if you did not pay your workers more
                                                              than the minimum wage? And what are the benefits in terms of it
                                                              on the turnover rate, since you are in the real world?
                                                                 Mr. PUCKETT. Thank you for our question, Representative
                                                              Evans.
                                                                 I think pay is a key part of it. I think when you pay your people
                                                              well, it makes them feel valued. And that is why the pressure is
                                                              on Punch to figure out with the minimum wage increasing, can you
                                                              pay more than the minimum wage? Because I think there is a very
                                                              positive feedback loop of treating your people better than your com-
                                                              petitors are treating them. But pay is not it. Pay is not everything.
                                                              You need to have a company culture that they believe in. They
                                                              need to like their boss of the store or their boss in the office, like
                                                              myself. They need to believe in the product and think they are
                                                              making something great versus something average. All those
                                                              things I think contribute to people staying. But I think without a
                                                              doubt, when people feel good about their employer and feel well
                                                              taken care of, whether it is pay and benefits, retention increases.
                                                                 Mr. EVANS. Ms. Hamilton, can you explain how using the Fair
                                                              Pay model has helped you retain employees and the fiscal benefit
                                                              it has brought?
                                                                 Ms. HAMILTON. Absolutely. Well, we also, like Punch Pizza,
                                                              have a good starting base salary, and that is the basis of how we
                                                              structure our employment benefits here. And what we have found
                                                              is that by treating our employees well, by paying everyone a living
                                                              wage, people here are really engaged and we have an extremely
                                                              high retention rate. We have a lot of employees who have been
                                                              here between 10 and 20 years. Our average employee time here is
                                                              7-1/2 years. And what that allows us to have is to have a workforce
                                                              who is experienced. We have low error rates. We do not have to in-
                                                              vest money in recruitment. We have a productive workforce that
                                                              helps us to be creative, innovative, and successful.
                                                                 Mr. EVANS. Thank you.
                                                                 This is my last question. Dr. Shierholz, can you describe how a
                                                              large amount of income inequality might hurt the growth of the
                                                              economy?
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. Yeah, no, that is a very good question. So in-
                                                              come inequality hurts the growth, overall economic growth because
                                                              it means there is more money in the pockets of people who are not
                                                              spending constrained. They already have everything they want.
                                                              And so when you give them another dollar it does not actually
                                                              boost the economy and lead to an increase in demand for business
                                                              services. So if income inequality rises and you shift money from
                                                              low-wage workers who do spend every extra dollar they have be-
                                                              cause they have no choice, if you shift that money, redistribute it
                                                              through rising income inequality to highly-paid workers who are
                                                              less likely to spend it, it holds back the economy.
                                                                 Mr. EVANS. Thank you.
                                                                 Mr. Chairman, I yield back. And we have to go have some pizza
                                                              there in Minnesota.




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                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. I do not think there would be any objec-
                                                              tion, Mr. Evans.
                                                                 And with that I recognize the Ranking Member of the Small
                                                              Business Committee, Mr. Luetkemeyer from Missouri, for 5 min-
                                                              utes.
                                                                 Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And it is great
                                                              to be with everybody today. I think it is paramount we have this
                                                              debate and actually listen to small businesses on the ground that
                                                              they will be impacted by this type of mandate.
                                                                 I would like to insert two letters from my constituents who are
                                                              small businesses themselves, the 54th Street Bar and Grill who
                                                              have written to us, as well as Rosebud Tractor from Rosebud, Mis-
                                                              souri, who is a tractor and implement dealer. They detail in their
                                                              letters the disaster that this thing is going to be to their businesses
                                                              which we will go into shortly.
                                                                 I would also like to put into the record the report from the Con-
                                                              gressional Budget Office, which I think Congressman Meuser
                                                              noted, but I think it is important we put it in the record because
                                                              it gives the budgetary effect of the Raise the Wage Act, which is
                                                              what we are talking about, as well as the latest study from the
                                                              MFIB Research Center as of June 25th that talks about the effects
                                                              of the Wage Act on small business.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Without objection.
                                                                 Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you.
                                                                 Ms. Greszler, in your testimony you describe that there has been
                                                              a steep decline in workers earning a minimum wage. You men-
                                                              tioned that pro-growth policies assisted in this area. According to
                                                              a vast amount of research, small businesses are projecting opti-
                                                              mism and confidence prior to COVID-19. The unemployment rate
                                                              was at historic low levels before we were hit with the pandemic.
                                                              Can you describe in more detail how pro-growth policies assist
                                                              workers?
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. Yes, thank you. I think this is a good point.
                                                              While the minimum wage has not risen for more than a decade, the
                                                              proportion of people who are earning the minimum wage has dra-
                                                              matically declined, 65 to 80 percent because most people are earn-
                                                              ing above that. And it is this combination of reducing unnecessary
                                                              regulations on businesses, allowing them to keep more of their
                                                              hard-earned dollars. When they have those extra resources, they
                                                              invest them in their workers. They can raise wages. They can pro-
                                                              vide additional training. They can provide additional benefits,
                                                              things like paid family leave. And all of this is why we saw just
                                                              over 3 years, between 2016 and 2019, the wages of the lowest in-
                                                              come earners, the 10th percentile of people who are making about
                                                              $10 per hour, their wages increased almost 15 percent over 3 years.
                                                              And that was far more than the median, and it was more than the
                                                              highest earners as well. And that is because when you have a posi-
                                                              tive environment that keeps opportunities open for people, that al-
                                                              lows the businesses to run their businesses as they see best and
                                                              not as policymakers in D.C. tell them they should do them, then
                                                              you see these rising wage gains, especially at the bottom.
                                                                 Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you for that.
                                                                 You know, the letters I have from my constituents really point
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                                                              in that the Rosebud Tractor folks, they have a tractor and imple-
                                                              ment store where they not only sell new tractors but fix them.
                                                              Fifty-seven percent of their expenses are employee payroll, which
                                                              points to the fact when you increase over half of your expenses sig-
                                                              nificantly, it is going to amount to something. And for them it is
                                                              going to amount to about $190,000 more, even though they pay an
                                                              average wage in their business of $18.56.
                                                                With regards to the 54th Street Bar and Grill, they are going to
                                                              wind up losing about $425,000 after they raise the wages to the
                                                              minimum wage here which means they are going to have to raise
                                                              everything on their menu or go out of business. And we have al-
                                                              ready stressed the restaurant business with the COVID problem
                                                              enough. And in fact, here is an article out of Roll Call of all places
                                                              back on January 26th which says the restaurant industry already
                                                              wracked by COVID-19 now faces a minimum wage hike in which
                                                              they talk about one more blow to our restaurants. One more blow
                                                              to people who cannot afford one more blow. So why are we thinking
                                                              about this?
                                                                So I guess, Ms. Greszler, do you think this is a responsible thing
                                                              to do to put another burden on businesses like this that are really
                                                              struggling to add a minimum wage, another blow to them? How
                                                              would you react to that?
                                                                Ms. GRESZLER. No, I think this is reckless and tone deaf to the
                                                              realities and the struggles that these small businesses are facing
                                                              out there. And to potentially decimate entire industries by imple-
                                                              menting a ‘‘one size fits all’’ $15 minimum wage does not make any
                                                              sense. As some of the business owners here have attested to, a lot
                                                              of individuals work for small employers and there is real value in
                                                              that to having that relationship and feeling like you are a part of
                                                              something. And a lot of the restaurants and industry people are
                                                              working for smaller, independently-owned restaurants, and they
                                                              have that upward mobility opportunity. But as I said before, if we
                                                              implement a $15 minimum wage now, those jobs that are lost will
                                                              not be coming back and you are completely just devastating that
                                                              industry and those opportunities that are out there for people to
                                                              get their foot in the door and potentially stay in that industry and
                                                              be able to have a good career.
                                                                Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you for that. And I appreciate the
                                                              extra time by the Chairman. And I also would like to welcome Con-
                                                              gresswoman Tenney to the Committee. We are excited to have her
                                                              back in Congress, have her back on this Committee to be a very
                                                              valuable member, and I look forward to working with her over the
                                                              next 2 years.
                                                                Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I yield back.
                                                                Chairman PHILLIPS. Thank you, Mr. Luetkemeyer.
                                                                And now I recognize the gentlelady from Kansas, Ms. Davids,
                                                              who is the Chairwoman of the Subcommittee on Economic Growth,
                                                              Tax, and Capital Access, for 5 minutes.
                                                                Ms. DAVIDS. Good morning. Thank you, Chairman.
                                                                Well, I am glad we are holding this hearing today. I represent
                                                              the 3rd Congressional District in Kansas, which is the Kansas City
                                                              Metro area. And we have a pretty vibrant entrepreneurial eco-
                                                              system in our area. And that is part of the reason that during my
                                                              time in Congress I have been committed to working on the Federal




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                                                              minimum wage issues that we are getting a chance to talk about
                                                              today so that we can help our hardworking Kansans, their families,
                                                              and also be mindful about our small business community.
                                                                 We have heard it multiple times it has been over a decade since
                                                              we raised the minimum wage and the cost of living for folks has
                                                              certainly increased over that time. I do continue to be concerned
                                                              about the impact that our policy decisions that we make here in
                                                              Congress related to the minimum wage, what those impacts will be
                                                              on our small businesses who right now are facing an unprece-
                                                              dented economic crisis. And last Congress I pushed for a tax credit
                                                              to be included to help our small businesses cover increased ex-
                                                              penses. I was disappointed to see that it was excluded, but I was
                                                              also proud to support an amendment that was included commis-
                                                              sioning the study for what the impacts of the bill that we passed
                                                              would have so that we can get a clear understanding and make de-
                                                              cisions based on the evidence. So I am really glad that we are get-
                                                              ting the chance to hear from experts and small business owners
                                                              about an increased minimum wage today.
                                                                 I want to start off with Mr. Puckett and Ms. Hamilton. I am curi-
                                                              ous about your thoughts on the impacts that the tax credits we
                                                              have been talking about would have on small businesses and, you
                                                              know, how helpful that might be in transitioning as the minimum
                                                              wage starts to go up.
                                                                 Mr. PUCKETT. Go ahead, Ms. Hamilton.
                                                                 Ms. HAMILTON. Thanks.
                                                                 Well, I want to start by saying that with or without the tax cred-
                                                              it, I believe that raising the minimum wage would be beneficial for
                                                              our business and for our community here in New Hampshire where
                                                              we still follow the Federal minimum wage of $7.25. That said, if
                                                              there is a tax credit that can support our business and businesses
                                                              in our community in making that transition and it does not harm
                                                              the community members and employees then I think that would be
                                                              an all-around beneficial thing.
                                                                 Mr. PUCKETT. I second that. Anything that can be done to help
                                                              small businesses weather this storm and make it through to the
                                                              other side, because small businesses really did not have the capital
                                                              structure that the big, big chain businesses did in our industry. So
                                                              anything that helps small businesses like Punch would be really
                                                              appreciated.
                                                                 Ms. DAVIDS. And then I heard both of you talked a little bit
                                                              about the kind of longer term impacts, whether it is retention,
                                                              training, these kinds of things. Could you talk a little bit more
                                                              about just I guess how you envision, are these things that you talk
                                                              to your employees about when they come on board? Because I
                                                              imagine folks might even actually wonder why you are maybe pay-
                                                              ing the wages that you are paying at entry level jobs.
                                                                 Mr. PUCKETT. One of the things that we are just starting to use
                                                              is the technology like we are using today to do job fairs. And we
                                                              are doing internal job fairs to explain all the opportunities our em-
                                                              ployees have from opening, from starting to grow. And then we also
                                                              do HR Week every 6 months and sit down with every employee and
                                                              talk about how they can grow with the company.
                                                                 Ms. HAMILTON. Yeah, at Badger as well, when we onboard new
                                                              employees we talk about our pay structure and how that is integral




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                                                              to the decisions we make in our company and that we are com-
                                                              mitted to treating our employees fairly and to creating a good
                                                              work-life balance and supporting them to grow in our company.
                                                                 And then additionally what I would say is that I had mentioned
                                                              earlier we have a really low attrition rate so that we have employ-
                                                              ees who stay here for a very long time and that has helped us to
                                                              be successful. We are now a second generation owned family busi-
                                                              ness. We have not ever had to take outside investing and that
                                                              comes from being a successful business, and a lot of the success
                                                              really comes back to the structure that we have created and how
                                                              we treat our employees.
                                                                 Ms. DAVIDS. Thank you. I appreciate that. Just curious based
                                                              on some of the relationship conversation that was happening ear-
                                                              lier.
                                                                 Chairman, I appreciate the hearing today and I yield back.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Thanks, Ms. Davids.
                                                                 And now I recognize the gentleman from Florida, Mr. Donalds,
                                                              for 5 minutes.
                                                                 Mr. DONALDS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
                                                                 Really what I want to do here is read in a statement from a busi-
                                                              ness owner in my district. Her name is Stephanie Figueroa. She
                                                              owns three restaurants in Florida in my district called Fernandez
                                                              the Bull. Fernandez the Bull is a family-owned restaurant since
                                                              1985 that features traditional Cuban cuisine with a unique flair. I
                                                              go there often. It is amazing. I recommend it to anybody who comes
                                                              down. The quality, the consistency and the customer care that has
                                                              been at their establishment has made it one of Naples most pop-
                                                              ular restaurants. Fernandez the Bull is more than just a small
                                                              business; it is the American Dream. It started in the restaurant in-
                                                              dustry basically out of love for Cuban food. The owner actually
                                                              started as a server and she is now the proud owner of three res-
                                                              taurants. She employs 85 incredibly talented people throughout
                                                              southwest Florida. Some of these career servers, some of them
                                                              started as entry-level students and some of them are, yes, single
                                                              parents. All of them are family.
                                                                 When she started her business, she had a pride of knowing many
                                                              of the opportunities that the company had created. It has been the
                                                              place where people have shared their griefs over meals, celebrated
                                                              victories over drinks, and proposed to love their life and so much
                                                              more. She loves to tell the story of one of her most treasured em-
                                                              ployees who started as a dishwasher and worked his way up to
                                                              being a manager. She thinks that young people who have come
                                                              there to work have learned customer service skills, problem-solving
                                                              skills, or they have learned that they had a passion for manage-
                                                              ment or the culinary arts.
                                                                 Members of the Committee may not be aware but in the last
                                                              election cycle a constitutional amendment barely passed in the
                                                              State of Florida that puts us on a trajectory similar to the proposal.
                                                              The owner is a proud member of the Sunshine State and she is ac-
                                                              tually quite thankful that even during that election process that I
                                                              opposed the minimum wage that was on our ballot even though it
                                                              barely passed.
                                                                 And her concerns are very clear. A Federal mandate of a $15
                                                              minimum wage is unreasonable and out of touch. It would actually




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                                                              shut down Main Street America. She believes that what it will ac-
                                                              tually do is that it will actually make some of her servers leave the
                                                              industry because of what it will do to the tip environment. Many
                                                              of her servers already make more than $15 an hour. The mandate
                                                              will intentionally cost many of her employees to lose income.
                                                                 In short, Mr. Chairman, her belief is not only will it cause her
                                                              employees to lose this income, but it will also cause her to raise
                                                              prices in her establishment. It will increase the costs from vendors
                                                              in her establishment. And all that is going not be borne by the con-
                                                              sumer.
                                                                 And I would like to enter in this letter from my constituent in
                                                              the record, Mr. Chairman.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Without objection.
                                                                 Mr. DONALDS. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman.
                                                                 One of my questions I really had, and I was watching the testi-
                                                              mony from my office before I made it down to the Committee room,
                                                              but could any member, any one of the witnesses today, could they
                                                              actually speak to the actual costs a business would have to bear
                                                              with an artificial raising of the Federal minimum wage in such a
                                                              drastic manner as being purported in the proposal? Is there a wit-
                                                              ness that can speak to that?
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. I would be happy to. When we were talking I
                                                              think earlier there was a mention of the grocery store and their
                                                              small profit margins and so I just quickly did a calculation there.
                                                              If you have a 1 percent profit margin and you go from a $7.25 wage
                                                              to a $15 per hour minimum wage, that employee, just paying them
                                                              that extra amount of money each day, they have to sell over $6,000
                                                              more in food. Maybe if it is a smaller percentage margin or a larger
                                                              percentage margin, we are still talking about thousands of dollars
                                                              more. And as you pointed out, Mr. Donalds, the tipped industry,
                                                              this is a 600 percent increase in the tipped minimum wage. And
                                                              make no mistake; there is no subminimum wage in the United
                                                              States. If you are making the ‘‘subminimum’’ wage and you earn
                                                              less than the actual minimum wage, your employer has to bring
                                                              those wages up. But the reality is that those tipped workers have
                                                              fought to overturn increase in the tipped minimum wage because
                                                              it has actually reduced their incomes in those areas. And so this
                                                              is just drastic assumptions that we are making that these employ-
                                                              ers can raise their prices or somehow pull this money out of who
                                                              knows where. But to say that we are going to allow employers to
                                                              pay their workers $15 per hour by mandating it, where is that
                                                              money coming from? Where are the thousands of dollars per work-
                                                              er in new sales going to come from?
                                                                 Mr. DONALDS. Thank you so much.
                                                                 And with the last 15 seconds, Mr. Chairman, what I will say is
                                                              one of my closest friends was in Seattle after they raised their min-
                                                              imum wage. A Subway sandwich that was $6.63 in Florida was
                                                              $11.83 in the City of Seattle. So the prices will go up on all Ameri-
                                                              cans.
                                                                 I yield back.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Thank you, Mr. Donalds.
                                                                 Now I recognize the gentlelady from Georgia, Ms. Bourdeaux for
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                                                                Ms. BOURDEAUX. Thank you so much, Chairman Phillips and
                                                              Ranking Member Van Duyne for holding this hearing to examine
                                                              the benefits and challenges to small businesses of raising the Fed-
                                                              eral minimum wage.
                                                                I firmly believe that we do need to raise the minimum wage in
                                                              this country to get it to a living wage. The current Federal min-
                                                              imum wage has not been raised since 2009 and at $7.25 an hour
                                                              it amounts to just around $15,000 per year. I personally have
                                                              worked for a minimum wage back in the 1980s when it was $3.25
                                                              an hour and I know how incredibly difficult it is to make ends meet
                                                              when you are working for this kind of very low wage and work two
                                                              jobs to try to just pay for rent and food and keep going. Luckily,
                                                              I was single and young at the time and so it was not catastrophic,
                                                              but if I had children this would be almost impossible to survive.
                                                              And now, far too many hardworking Georgians are working two
                                                              jobs, 60-plus hours a week, and really cannot make ends meet.
                                                                That being said, I definitely understand that we are increasing
                                                              this quickly and we need to think carefully about our small busi-
                                                              nesses and the ‘‘mom and pop’’ shops in particular throughout my
                                                              district. More than doubling the current Federal minimum wage
                                                              over the next 5 years, we are asking small businesses to really bear
                                                              the entire burden of getting us to a living wage. So I am very, very
                                                              interested in some of the proposals that are out there to try to soft-
                                                              en the burden on small businesses for doing this. One of the pro-
                                                              posals reported to be under consideration by some senators is to
                                                              complement the Federal minimum wage increase with a package of
                                                              small business tax cuts. I know we have some academic experts
                                                              here on this and I wanted to just ask, Dr. Shierholz, in your opin-
                                                              ion, are there policy proposals that we should be considering to
                                                              complement the wage hike and soften the blow to small businesses?
                                                              Are there any strategies in this respect that would be preferred one
                                                              versus another?
                                                                Ms. SHIERHOLZ. So there are certainly plenty of targeted in-
                                                              vestments for small businesses in the COVID relief legislation, so
                                                              some of that is already totally on track. It has additional PPP
                                                              funds, targeted relief through the Economic Injury Disaster Loan
                                                              Program, targeted relief for restaurants, targeted relief for shut-
                                                              tered venues. So there is a lot already in there.
                                                                But I will say that minimum wage increases have certainly been
                                                              coupled with things like small business tax cuts in the past. I am
                                                              assuming that is under consideration here, too, though it is actu-
                                                              ally worth nothing that we saw a lot of business tax cuts in the
                                                              TCJA without a minimum wage increase.
                                                                Ms. BOURDEAUX. So some of those have already happened.
                                                                Just to follow up on that, the PPP and these Shuttered Venues
                                                              operations grants, things like that, those are temporary mainstays,
                                                              right, to get us through the COVID period. Are there longer term
                                                              policies that we should be looking at, you know, as we go about in-
                                                              creasing the minimum wage?
                                                                Ms. SHIERHOLZ. That is a very fine question and I do not have
                                                              a complete answer so if others do I am totally up for hearing about
                                                              that. But I do think it is important to loop back around, that what
                                                              we know the literature shows us is that increasing the minimum
                                                              wage actually does not cause meaningful job loss. So keeping that




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                                                              as a backdrop, I think it does underscore that businesses in this
                                                              country are able, the empirical evidence shows they are able to ab-
                                                              sorb these costs. So I love all the stuff that is in the COVID relief
                                                              legislation. The efforts we talked about are a really good idea but
                                                              I do not think that we have to really go too far down that road be-
                                                              cause what we know is that businesses are able to increase these
                                                              wages, that is what the data show without negative consequences
                                                              on that.
                                                                 Ms. BOURDEAUX. Okay, I have got a few more minutes. One
                                                              quick question about that. Why is that? You would assume, right,
                                                              if you are increasing wages in that way, but also, I think people
                                                              need to realize this feeds back into the economy because people
                                                              now have more money to spend and so they are buying new things.
                                                              Right? And you have this kind of circular benefit to raising the
                                                              wage. But do you have other insights on sort of why it is that this
                                                              does not lead to those kinds of problems?
                                                                 Ms. SHIERHOLZ. Yes. I am glad you asked that. So we have
                                                              talked about a couple of things. Like, it reduces turnover and turn-
                                                              over is very expensive. So some of it is recouped that way. What
                                                              you just said, it boosts demand for goods and services. So that is
                                                              good for business. It increases revenues.
                                                                 Another thing that is clear, and I think there has been a lot of
                                                              confusion about this in this hearing, is it is true that some of the
                                                              impact of minimum wage increases are passed along in the form
                                                              of higher prices. So that is another way that businesses help absorb
                                                              the impact of the higher labor costs.
                                                                 But I just want to put that in context a little bit. Increasing the
                                                              minimum wage to $15 in 2025 will increase the total wages going
                                                              to low-wage workers by $107 billion. That is a lot, but total per-
                                                              sonal consumption expenditures annually in this country are over
                                                              $14 trillion. So that $107 billion is well under 1 percent of total
                                                              personal consumption expenditures. So even if the entire amount
                                                              were passed on in the form of higher prices which will not happen,
                                                              it would still have a barely perceptible effect on the overall price
                                                              level as it was phased in. And then after the phase-in happened
                                                              when we just had regular indexing, it would have zero effect on the
                                                              overall price level. So it is one way that businesses can absorb
                                                              some of the minimum wage costs but it is not at all a larger macro
                                                              problem.
                                                                 Ms. BOURDEAUX. Thanks so much for your insights.
                                                                 And I yield back the balance of my time.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. And now the gentleman from Wisconsin,
                                                              Mr. Fitzgerald is recognized for 5 minutes.
                                                                 Mr. FITZGERALD. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
                                                                 First of all, thank you to Mr. Puckett and Ms. Hamilton. You are
                                                              running much different types of businesses, are you not? One in-
                                                              volved obviously in pizza and the other one in hand balm and lo-
                                                              tions. So my question would be, and I think it is really negligent
                                                              of us not to continue to talk about this is a proposal that has come
                                                              up in the middle of the pandemic. And I think a lot of the studies
                                                              and any of the research that you have had, and I have seen many
                                                              of these going back to my days in the state legislature, you know,
                                                              have all been turned on their head as a result of COVID. So the
                                                              idea that, you know, while small businesses are literally closing




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                                                              day by day that this would even come up at this point is kind of
                                                              amazing to me. But here we are.
                                                                 I was just going to say, in Wisconsin, the big three for us are
                                                              tourism, agriculture, and manufacturing. And for the most part,
                                                              small manufacturing, all very susceptible to changes in wages. And
                                                              I think that is not the case, obviously, in many other states. So it
                                                              is another thing that we have to be aware of.
                                                                 The other industry I just say that could be directly affected, be-
                                                              cause there are always questions about trying to increase wages
                                                              without losing employees is assisted living. It is something that we
                                                              had worked on for many years in our state budgets, and it just
                                                              feels like that is another, you know, it is a necessary industry, ob-
                                                              viously, to take care of those individuals, but at the same time it
                                                              is susceptible to the back and forth of a small business. And these
                                                              are all things I think that need to be considered. And like I said,
                                                              just underscore the idea, we are in the middle of a pandemic and
                                                              businesses are completely in trouble right now. And the idea that
                                                              we would be talking about an increase in the minimum wage is
                                                              kind of ridiculous to me.
                                                                 So I yield back. Thank you.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Now I recognize the gentlewoman from
                                                              California, Ms. Kim, for 5 minutes.
                                                                 Ms. Kim?
                                                                 Ms. KIM. Yes. I just unmuted myself. Thank you. Thank you,
                                                              Chairman Phillips and Ranking Member Van Duyne for hosting
                                                              this important hearing today. I look forward to working with both
                                                              of you and everyone else in the Committee to ensure our small
                                                              businesses have the tools and resources to overcome this pandemic.
                                                                 This proposal to increase the minimum wage comes at a time
                                                              when many small businesses in California’s 39th District are strug-
                                                              gling to keep their doors open due to our state’s heavy-handed
                                                              lockdown.
                                                                 So Chairman, I have a statement from Steven and Patricia
                                                              Bangos of Eureka Pizza. They are small business owners in my
                                                              39th District and I had a chance to visit with them and speak with
                                                              them. They are already running a razor think line with micro thin
                                                              margins for profit. And COVID-19 has already had a major impact
                                                              ranging from cost of goods to food costs. I would like to ask their
                                                              full statement to be entered into the record.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Without objection.
                                                                 Ms. KIM. Thank you.
                                                                 According to a study, approximately 62 percent of all small busi-
                                                              nesses think the worst of the pandemic is ahead of them, not be-
                                                              hind them. Instead of increasing costs for small businesses, we
                                                              should be looking to decrease costs and restore some of the eco-
                                                              nomic certainty that was lost due to the pandemic.
                                                                 I would like to pose a question to Ms. Greszler. As a former busi-
                                                              ness owner myself and mother of four, I was troubled by the find-
                                                              ings in your study estimating that a $15 minimum wage would in-
                                                              crease the cost of childcare by an extra $3,728 in costs for a family
                                                              with two children. So can you please elaborate on how would an
                                                              increase of the Federal minimum wage to $15 result in higher
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                                                                Ms. GRESZLER. Certainly. And so childcare is a little bit of a
                                                              unique industry in that they cannot use other options of reducing
                                                              the staff because of ratios and those things, and so they have to
                                                              pass all of those higher wages onto the customers. As I said, 21
                                                              percent across the U.S. but as high as 43 percent increase in costs
                                                              in Mississippi. And California, where you are, has actually already
                                                              dealt with this to some degree, and California’s Department of
                                                              Education looked at this impact and they said, while we agree that
                                                              $15 per hour, especially for childcare workers is morally the thing
                                                              that we should be doing, nevertheless, this is going to be dev-
                                                              astating for the childcare industry because childcare workers tend
                                                              to make lower than $15 per hour on average. And so you are in
                                                              this catch-22. You increase the prices and then people can no
                                                              longer afford childcare. And there has also been an experience in
                                                              California whereas a result of getting a wage increase, a family
                                                              earns more and now they lose hundreds, if not thousands of dollars
                                                              in childcare subsidies, as well as you have had the impact on the
                                                              childcare providers, those who accept subsidized clients will no
                                                              longer accept those lower rates when they have even higher costs.
                                                              And so this is an example where you are hurting the exact people
                                                              that we want to be helping.
                                                                Ms. KIM. Thank you for that.
                                                                I have another question to Ms. Greszler. In one of your reports
                                                              you mentioned that there are better ways to help workers achieve
                                                              lasting income gains. From your point of view, are there ways to
                                                              boost income without mandating an increase in the Federal min-
                                                              imum wage? And can you please elaborate on some of the ideas
                                                              that you propose?
                                                                Ms. GRESZLER. Yeah, and really the only way that you can
                                                              boost someone’s income permanently to have actual long-term
                                                              gains is to help them become more productive, to create more
                                                              things of value. And a $15 minimum wage creates an artificial
                                                              wage gain by taking it away from somebody else, but we would
                                                              rather just see these opportunities out there for people to have al-
                                                              ternative education, things like the apprenticeship programs that
                                                              you do not have to incur six figures of debt and get a 4-year college
                                                              degree. But nonetheless, will have a great career ahead of you. Re-
                                                              ducing the occupational licensing laws, things that say you have to
                                                              pay hundreds of dollars and go through all this training to be able
                                                              to arrange flowers or to braid hair. There is no reason that we
                                                              should have those barriers out there.
                                                                And then also, just keeping the opportunity out there for individ-
                                                              uals of all income levels, all education levels to use their skills to
                                                              go out and to be independent workers and to contract in whatever
                                                              way they would like. And I know this is particularly relevant as
                                                              well in California with AB5 shutting opportunities for a lot of
                                                              workers.
                                                                Ms. KIM. Thank you.
                                                                One last question. We often talk about the 1.4 million jobs that
                                                              could be lost——
                                                                Chairman PHILLIPS. Ms. Kim——
                                                                Ms. KIM.—but the CBO study.




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                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS.—your time is expired. We are going to go
                                                              to a second round, so perhaps if you want to stick around, but our
                                                              time is expired for right now.
                                                                 Ms. KIM. Sure. Thank you. I yield back.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. And with that, we are going to move to a
                                                              second round of questioning. And I am going to begin by recog-
                                                              nizing myself for 5 minutes.
                                                                 First, I have enjoyed this discussion, and it is exactly what I be-
                                                              lieve we needed. I also want to point out some facts. That of the
                                                              OECD countries, the United States currently ranks 14th of all the
                                                              countries with a minimum wage of $7.25. We are just below Slo-
                                                              venia and just ahead of Poland. Our neighbors to the north, Can-
                                                              ada, each province has a higher, significantly higher minimum
                                                              wage than we do in the United States, including Ontario at $14.25
                                                              Canadian, which based on current exchange rates is about $11.40.
                                                              They also make certain exceptions for students, for servers, and for
                                                              those who work from home.
                                                                 My question is to Ms. Greszler. I am curious how research rel-
                                                              ative to how the minimum wage in Canada affects the Canadian
                                                              economy vis-a-vis our very low wage here in the U.S.
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. I have not looked specifically at that but I
                                                              would just point out that regardless of what the minimum wage is,
                                                              what matters is what people are actually making. And we have
                                                              seen in the United States that not only are people having higher
                                                              incomes and earning more but that we have also had a lower un-
                                                              employment rate. And so there are fewer people who are not able
                                                              to find jobs.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Do you have a sense of what the median
                                                              wage is in the United States versus Canada?
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. I do not know Canada’s.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Okay.
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. I believe the U.S. is around $25 per hour.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Okay. Perhaps the most important ques-
                                                              tion is, my hope was that this hearing results in some ideas and
                                                              ways to mitigate any potential policy effects. So if in fact, Ms.
                                                              Greszler, that this policy were to be instituted as written, what
                                                              would you argue would be the most important mitigating policies
                                                              that could prevent job losses and ensure that small businesses do
                                                              not close if this was enacted as written?
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. I think the most important thing would be to
                                                              not implement a ‘‘one size fits all.’’ And so to have a provision in
                                                              there, much like the Federal government does for the general
                                                              schedule pay scale that has locality-based adjustments and to allow
                                                              state and local governments to tie it to their median wage in that
                                                              area so that you do not disproportionately impact those lower cost
                                                              areas.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. But if it is enacted as written, which does
                                                              not provide for any of those opportunities, what would you propose
                                                              we consider to mitigate the effects?
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. I do not have any good proposal there because
                                                              I think that the mitigation measures would be so large and con-
                                                              sequential for the long-term economy that it is not something that
                                                              we would want to do. We are talking about pitting small businesses
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                                                              cost areas of living. This is just not simply something that would
                                                              work well across the United States.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Okay. I will close my questioning back to
                                                              Mr. Puckett. Mr. Puckett, you are already paying essentially close
                                                              to this minimum wage, and by the time this was fully in effect 5
                                                              years hence, you would probably be over it. But based on your ex-
                                                              perience in business, building Caribou, building Punch, what would
                                                              you argue we should be looking at as we reflect on the potential
                                                              consequences? I think we would all agree that there are some bene-
                                                              fits and there will be some consequences. What would you like to
                                                              see us consider as some potential mitigating policies if we were to
                                                              enact this wage scale based on its current construct?
                                                                 Mr. PUCKETT. Thank you for the question. We are blessed to
                                                              be operating in a great environment in the Twin Cities, very com-
                                                              petitive. So it has made us adapt and stay ahead of that for our
                                                              people strategy. I have sympathy for small businesses all across
                                                              the country in areas that this would be potentially a much bigger
                                                              jump than what Punch faces. So I do not have any specific policy
                                                              recommendations but I think considering the different needs and
                                                              rural versus urban, different parts of the country is certainly an
                                                              idea. I was curious how Canada’s system works. I do not know if
                                                              it is possible to differentiate people that are household heads or
                                                              this is their main source of living as a differentiation between
                                                              someone that is doing that or a part-time student. But those are
                                                              things that could be considered, I assume.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Well, thanks, Mr. Puckett. And I agree. I
                                                              think we should look to best practices as practice by some of our
                                                              peers around the world.
                                                                 And with that, I will yield to Ms. Van Duyne, our Ranking Mem-
                                                              ber, for 5 minutes.
                                                                 Ms. VAN DUYNE. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman.
                                                                 I want to read just a quote from a letter that we had gotten from
                                                              Casey Watts, who is a business owner from Loaf’n Dog and Burger
                                                              Bar in Cleburne. He said, ‘‘COVID-19 crushed us at the Loaf’n Dog.
                                                              We were shuttered for most of the year until we could get deliv-
                                                              eries going and curbside pickup, but this was not enough. I did re-
                                                              ceive a PPP loan which allowed me to keep my employees but only
                                                              by the skin of our teeth. Now our business is facing a new ominous
                                                              challenge, a call for the $15 per hour minimum wage mandate. In
                                                              order to keep the doors open with a wage increase like this I would
                                                              have to raise many prices at least 100 percent across the board.
                                                              Perhaps in Destin or Houston, or D.C. or New York, a local joint
                                                              can charge $11 for a chili cheese dog but that is not going to fly
                                                              in Cleburne.’’
                                                                 According to the most recent data from the Bureau of Labor Sta-
                                                              tistics, 392,000 workers made the prevailing minimum wage. So
                                                              these workers represent .48 percent of the hourly paid workers. Ac-
                                                              cording to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, 17 percent were
                                                              teenagers, 26 percent were between the ages of 20 and 24, so a
                                                              total of 43 percent of those were under the age of 24. I think even
                                                              more enlightening is that single parents, single working parents,
                                                              hardly any of them actually earn the minimum wage. According to
                                                              a 2017 report by the GAO’s office, only .15 percent of workers in
                                                              the U.S. are single parents earning at or below the minimum wage.




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                                                              That is really important because I think a lot of the testimony that
                                                              we have heard today talks about having a living wage, a living
                                                              wage for families. But we have talked about increase. We have
                                                              talked about increases in food costs, at restaurants, increase in
                                                              healthcare. And I guess Ms. Greszler, with the impact of COVID-
                                                              19, the unstable school schedule over the last year, it just seems
                                                              like America’s single working parents, but more specifically single
                                                              working moms, are facing some real challenges. With all of these
                                                              different increases outside of just the minimum wage increase, how
                                                              do you think that this increasing the minimum wage would impact
                                                              working single moms?
                                                                 Ms. GRESZLER. I think that one of the biggest impacts is going
                                                              to be on that childcare cost. For single mothers, it is not an option
                                                              whether or not to work, and yet, when you would be facing thou-
                                                              sands of dollars more in childcare costs per year, that is going to
                                                              put these women in a bind, all these working parents out there.
                                                              And it is just going to negate any of the potential benefits of having
                                                              those higher wages. And it is not just childcare, but there are rea-
                                                              sons that we have more targeted programs in the United States,
                                                              whether it is through food stamp benefits, childcare subsidies,
                                                              these things are aiming to help working parents who need them,
                                                              and the minimum wage is not aiming at those working parents.
                                                              And so the reality is that you just end up hurting the people that
                                                              you are trying to hurt out there. And also, you were bringing up
                                                              the small businesses out there who are being crushed. And I think
                                                              it is important to point out that these smaller businesses, they are
                                                              the same as households out there. And so if we were faced with
                                                              twice the rent or the mortgage payment, we would have to make
                                                              adjustments. The notion that these business owners can just dig
                                                              deep in their pockets and pay all this additional money is ludi-
                                                              crous. And I have heard from small business owners they are tak-
                                                              ing out lines of credit because they care so much about their work-
                                                              ers and they do not want to lay them off. They do not want to have
                                                              that single mother unable to pay her bills each month. And they
                                                              care about their workers. And these are not the businesses that we
                                                              want to be shutting down with a $15 ‘‘one size fits all’’ Federal
                                                              minimum wage.
                                                                 Ms. VAN DUYNE. Thank you so much.
                                                                 And Chairman, I yield back my time.
                                                                 Chairman PHILLIPS. Thank you, Ms. Van Duyne.
                                                                 Any other members wish to ask questions before we proceed to
                                                              closing?
                                                                 Not seeing any, we will proceed.
                                                                 I want to thank everybody. I want to thank our witnesses for
                                                              joining us today and my fellow members. This was the kind of dis-
                                                              cussion that we need more of. I think it is fair to say that we all
                                                              agree we want to see Americans’ wages go up. We want to see more
                                                              jobs created, not fewer. And we want to see businesses thrive, espe-
                                                              cially small businesses that are the backbone of our economy and
                                                              the backbone of our communities.
                                                                 And as many of you know, I have built businesses, some very
                                                              successful larger ones and currently own a small business that does
                                                              pay a $15 minimum wage. Not because the law requires it, not be-
                                                              cause it is easy; rather, it is a principle in which my partners and




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                                                              I believe. But I hear small businesses every single day. They are
                                                              concerned about this policy and I understand their concerns. I
                                                              know we all do. And I am grateful that we were able to give voice
                                                              to some of those concerns in today’s hearing.
                                                                 We have got to consider options for raising wages for the least
                                                              advantaged in our country. I believe they have been denied that for
                                                              far too long and we have a responsibility. So I am committed to
                                                              working together with all of my colleagues, Democrats and Repub-
                                                              licans in a bipartisan fashion to build a better economy for our
                                                              small businesses and for the people that build them, employees and
                                                              owners.
                                                                 I talk about the trifecta—higher wages, more jobs, and more
                                                              businesses. So I ask that we focus on that, not just obstruct and
                                                              not just demand that we not proceed; rather, come up with solu-
                                                              tions on how we can achieve all three because I do not believe they
                                                              are mutually exclusive. And I want to see American once again be
                                                              at the forefront. I want to see us be the fastest growing economy
                                                              and a country to which our peers look to for the best policy in the
                                                              world.
                                                                 So with that I ask unanimous consent that members have 5 leg-
                                                              islative days to submit statements and supporting materials for the
                                                              record.
                                                                 Without any objection, so ordered.
                                                                 And if there is no further business before the Committee, we are
                                                              now adjourned. Thanks, everybody.
                                                                 [Whereupon, at 12:08 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]




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