Markup of: Providing for Reconciliation Pursuant to S. Con. Res. 5, the Concurrent Resolution on the Budget for Fiscal Year 2021 (House Small Business Committee hearing, February 10, 2021)
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MARKUP OF: PROVIDING FOR RECONCILIATION
PURSUANT TO S. CON. RES. 5, THE
CONCURRENT RESOLUTION ON THE BUDGET
FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021
HEARING
BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
UNITED STATES
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED SEVENTEENTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION
HEARING HELD
FEBRUARY 10, 2021
Small Business Committee Document Number 117–003
Available via the GPO Website: www.govinfo.gov
U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE
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HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
NYDIA VELÁZQUEZ, New York, Chairwoman
JARED GOLDEN, Maine
JASON CROW, Colorado
SHARICE DAVIDS, Kansas
KWEISI MFUME, Maryland
DEAN PHILLIPS, Minnesota
MARIE NEWMAN, Illinois
CAROLYN BOURDEAUX, Georgia
JUDY CHU, California
DWIGHT EVANS, Pennsylvania
ANTONIO DELGADO, New York
CHRISSY HOULAHAN, Pennsylvania
ANDY KIM, New Jersey
ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota
BLAINE LUETKEMEYER, Missouri, Ranking Member
ROGER WILLIAMS, Texas
JIM HAGEDORN, Minnesota
PETE STAUBER, Minnesota
DAN MEUSER, Pennsylvania
ANDREW GARBARINO, New York
YOUNG KIM, California
BETH VAN DUYNE, Texas
BYRON DONALDS, Florida
MARIA SALAZAR, Florida
SCOTT FITZGERALD, Wisconsin
MELISSA JUNG, Majority Staff Director
JUSTIN PELLETIER, Majority Deputy Staff Director and Chief Counsel
DAVID PLANNING, Staff Director
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CONTENTS
OPENING STATEMENTS
Page
Hon. Nydia Velázquez ............................................................................................. 1
Hon. Blaine Luetkemeyer ....................................................................................... 3
APPENDIX
Additional Material for the Record:
S. Con. Res. 5, the Concurrent Resolution on the Budget for Fiscal
Year 2021 ....................................................................................................... 61
American Rental Association (ARA) ............................................................... 131
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MARKUP OF: ‘‘PROVIDING FOR RECONCILI-
ATION PURSUANT TO S. CON. RES. 5, THE
CONCURRENT RESOLUTION ON THE
BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021’’
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 2021
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS,
Washington, DC.
The committee met, pursuant to call, at 5:06 p.m., in Room 2360,
Rayburn House Office Building. Hon. Nydia Velázquez [chair-
woman of the Committee] presiding.
Present: Representatives Velázquez, Golden, Crow, Davids,
Mfume, Phillips, Newman, Bourdeaux, Chu, Evans, Delgado,
Houlahan, Kim of New Jersey, Craig, Luetkemeyer, Donalds,
Fitzerald, Hagedorn, Kim of California, Meuser, Garbarino, Sala-
zar, Stauber, and Williams.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The Committee will please come to
order. A quorum is present.
Pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and House Rule 11, Clause 2,
the Chair announces that she may postpone further proceedings
today on the question of approving the measure or matter or adopt-
ing an amendment on which a recorded vote of the yeas or nays
are ordered.
Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare a recess at
any time. So ordered.
I would like to begin by noting some important requirements.
During the covered period as designated by the speaker, the Com-
mittee will operate in accordance with H.R. 965, which was incor-
porated into the 117th House Rules under H.R. 8. Just as we did
last Congress, we will follow guidance from the Rules Committee
to respect the rights of all Members to participate. Standing House
and Committee rules and practice will continue to apply during hy-
brid proceedings as well. House regulations require Members to be
visible through a video connection throughout the proceedings. Due
to the nature of a markup, it is extremely important that Members
follow this rule to ensure a quorum can be established and that
Members’ votes can be recorded by the clerk.
As a reminder, Members can participate in only one proceeding
at a time. If you have another Committee proceeding or meeting,
please sign off and rejoin later.
If a Member wishes to offer an amendment that has not been
pre-filed, we may take a brief recess to allow for its uploading,
printing, and distribution, then resume. We might also recess brief-
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ly to address technical issues in the event a Member cannot be rec-
ognized to speak.
Finally, for those physically present in the Committee room
today, we will also be following the health and safety guidelines
issued by the physician.
The Chair recognizes herself to make an opening statement.
The Committee meets today pursuant to notice to consider the
Committee print providing for reconsideration pursuant to
S.Con.Res.5, the concurrent resolution on the budget for Fiscal
Year 2021. As required by House rules, a copy of the measure has
been made available to Members and the public at least 24 hours
in advance.
Today, we will be considering legislation to further help our na-
tion’s small employers power through this unprecedented crisis. In
the first CARES bill, Congress enacted the Paycheck Protection
Program, an economic injury disaster loan and advanced program
to provide economic relief. Unfortunately, the pandemic outlasted
that assistance. Over the course of the year, we have held hearings,
listened to the experts, and made several improvements to the eco-
nomic relief programs, mainly making it easier for small businesses
to access and use the funds. And when we replenished the funds,
we created set-asides for the smallest of the small businesses and
those in underserved communities.
Congress empowered mission-based community lenders and
small banks to make sure the aid reached those that were left be-
hind. Second draw loans were also created to target aid to the
hardest hit small businesses. In recognizing that not all small busi-
nesses can take on or even access additional debt and therefore
need direct cash infusion, we provided several grants to support
the hardest hit businesses and industries. This Committee has
heard stories from thousands of employers how this program
helped them stay in operation, keep employees on payroll, and give
them hope that there is light at the end of the tunnel.
But nearly a year into the pandemic, millions of businesses are
on the brink of collapse. In fact, more than 400,000 small busi-
nesses have already closed their doors for good. And surveys show
that one in three small business owners will not survive the next
few months without additional financial support.
That is why today’s measure to deliver more financial assistance
to main street and delivering it swiftly is so critical. Today, we will
consider policies that will ultimately be included in a larger, more
robust stimulus package. The Committee print we are considering
today will inject an additional $15 billion into the targeted EIDL
Advances to help those who applied for relief in 2020 but did not
receive the full amount, or in some cases nothing at all because the
funds dried up.
Additional supplemental advances will be targeted to businesses
with extreme revenue losses in low-income areas. The measure will
also top off the shuttered Venue Grant Program with $1.25 billion
to meet anticipated demand in that program which will help small
entertaining businesses and cultural institutions in our commu-
nities. The measure establishes a $25 billion grant program for
independent restaurants that have been dealt a tremendous blow
by the pandemic. We heard in Committee hearings that while the
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PPP was helpful in the short run, it did not meet their long-term
needs. Restaurants need a long-lasting solution to make it through
these cold winter months.
It also expands PPP eligibility to 501(c) nonprofits with the ex-
ception of 501(c)(4) organizations and permit nonprofits with mul-
tiple locations to apply for assistance. Nonprofits like the Goodwill
and YMCA have been working tirelessly throughout the pandemic
to provide one meal and services to the most vulnerable. They em-
ploy 12.3 million people, the third largest workforce in the U.S.
economy, but we know that they have had to lay off nearly 900,000
employees. This aid will go a long way in providing relief and en-
able them to continue to meet the increased demands for food,
childcare, and also retain their workers. It also harmonizes PPP
eligibility to include digital news agencies and put them on par
with their brick and mortar colleagues. Doing so will not only save
jobs but ensure access to local emergency and pandemic informa-
tion that is more vital than ever.
And finally, the bill will provide $1.5 billion in administrative ex-
penses to the SBA to ensure that SBA can get the programs up and
running effectively and swiftly. I am proud of the work of our Com-
mittee, and especially grateful to our Members who are dedicated
public servants.
The Chair now yields to the distinguished Ranking Member for
an opening statement, Mr. Luetkemeyer.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Our nation’s small businesses are hurting. They are bearing the
brunt——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. I think you need to unmute.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. I am sorry? Are we ready? Hello? Are we
ready to go?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. He is on, right? Now we can hear
you. Yes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Our nation’s small businesses are hurting. They are bearing the
brunt of COVID-19. This pandemic has presented challenges unlike
anything we have witnessed in the past. Despite these cir-
cumstances, our nation’s job creators have tried their best to move
forward. They have innovated, reinvented their offerings, and
worked tirelessly to meet the needs of their customers.
I praise each and every business from the main streets of my
home state of Missouri, to the Chair’s state of New York and be-
yond. It is important to note that we have data to show that if a
state opens quickly in a responsible way, small businesses can safe-
ly operate in an environment that allows them to serve their cus-
tomers. My state of Missouri did this back in May of 2020, and we
have seen an extensive benefit that this has provided.
Although our small businesses are comprised of some of the most
innovative and agile employers and employees, ever-changing ca-
pacity restrictions and COVID-19 shutdown measures instituted by
state and local governments have put their livelihoods and their
employees in jeopardy.
Instead of allowing them to meet safety measures, some of the
nation’s smallest businesses have been forced to turn off their
lights and close their doors. In many circumstances, these states
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never even provided small business with a chance to survive. Due
to COVID and these over-reaching shutdown measures, small busi-
nesses, entrepreneurs, and startups continue to face severe finan-
cial hardships.
As a response, the Federal government responded quickly and ef-
ficiently in March of last year by setting up numerous programs
such as the Paycheck Protection Program, also known as PPP. By
partnering with the lenders, PPP funding was delivered quickly to
small businesses. With a focus on payroll, the assistance was in-
tended to ensure small businesses can pay their workers during
these unprecedented times. Through data from the Small Business
Administration, we know that this program has assisted or saved
millions of small businesses and tens of millions of jobs.
Until now, all COVID relief packages have been bipartisan,
meaning they have been supported by both Republicans and Demo-
crats. Understanding the magnitude of the situation, we worked
across the aisle, compromised, and created solutions that worked
for our nation’s small businesses. However, today, we find our-
selves at a Committee on Small Business markup where our side
has been blocked from engaging on the proposed legislation as top-
ics of such importance were drafted without our thoughts or our
ideas.
This is a shame and a disgrace. I would like to remind my col-
leagues on the other side that prior to COVID-19, small businesses
were projecting confidence, optimism, and job creation all around.
And program policies resulted in historic unemployment levels
across the board by focusing on a small regulatory environment
combined with lower taxes, small businesses have economic free-
dom and economic opportunity to innovate and expand. Unfortu-
nately, things are now moving in the opposite direction, not only
with this COVID package and the haphazard hazard discussion
surrounding raising the minimum wage, but also with the recent
administration action overall taken by the president. From elimi-
nating good paying jobs with his Executive Order on the Keystone
Pipeline, to refusing to police regulatory burdens, small businesses
will be facing new challenges beyond COVID.
Small businesses are in a precarious position. Any added man-
dates will be counterproductive.
With that, I look forward to actually having a discussion and our
first input on the proposed legislation before us today. I know Com-
mittee Republicans have valuable ideas and I hope they are seri-
ously considered by my colleagues.
Thank you, Madam Chair, and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Does any Member seek recognition for making a statement at
this time?
Mr. Evans from Pennsylvania is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. EVANS. Thank you, Madam Chair.
I thank the Chair for all the leadership she has provided to this
Committee. She has worked tirelessly to make sure small busi-
nesses, especially minority-owned businesses, get relief during this
economic crisis.
Coming from Philadelphia where the poverty rate is over 24 per-
cent, I believe small businesses are crucial to economic parity.
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Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Hey, I just got a call from Beth Van
Duyne. Is she in the——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Pennsylvania
can proceed.
Mr. EVANS. COVID-19 has been devastating to many busi-
nesses, but especially to minority-owned businesses. From Feb-
ruary to April 2020, COVID wiped out 41 percent of Black-owned
businesses, 32 percent of Hispanic-owned, and 26 percent of Asian-
owned businesses compared to just 17 percent of White-owned busi-
nesses. And Black business owners are not feeling optimistic.
According to a recent published Federal Reserve Bank Report of
New York, 73 percent of White-owned businesses were found to be
healthy or stable compared to just 42 percent of Black-owned busi-
nesses.
It is important to understand that what Congress has done when
they passed the CARES Act in March of last year, which created
temporary relief with programs such as the Paycheck Protection
Program, the Economic Disaster Loan Program, PPP, which re-
ceived additional funds in this bill, has been especially crucial.
A small business owner in my district who employees over 50
people was able to use PPP to keep their business afloat without
letting their employees go. At the end of the year, they had addi-
tional funds for emergencies. EIDL Advance created the Shuttered
Venue Operators Grant Program. This package bridged until we
could provide more relief. The pandemic has especially hurt the
restaurant industry due to the unique structure.
Restaurants are an important part of our communities and our
economy, which is why I want to see them survive. Many res-
taurants in my district have been waiting for relief while they have
continued to beg for more funds. While the most recent package
will allow restaurants to get bigger PPP loans, this was not
enough. I support the Restaurant Act together with my colleagues
on the Ways and Means Committee.
The $25 billion Restaurant Act based on the Restaurant Act
which will help thousands of restaurant owners, it is important to
understand that that is a very important start of providing grants
of $10 million to those restaurants suffering because of the pan-
demic. Further, an additional $15 billion funding for EIDL Advance
is absolutely needed, as many businesses in my district did not re-
ceive EIDL Advances and only received a reduced amount.
Small Business Development Centers, Women Business Develop-
ment Centers, and other organizations provided critical guidance
and assistance to small businesses. They have helped thousands of
small businesses in Pennsylvania navigate SBA programs, as well
assist small businesses comply to the new norm. My local Small
Business Development Center at Temple University created new
programs with funds in the CARES Act, the Center for Hospitality,
and the Center for Digital Transformation for Small Businesses.
Because of the remarkable work of these programs, I support the
creation of the Community Navigator Program that will help pro-
vide $100 million in grants for such organizations and $75 million
for outreach and education.
Again, because of the leadership of this Committee, the Chair
has shown all of us what it is to work together. She has made it
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very clear that small and minority businesses are a priority. That
is why I am glad to see the program prioritize businesses in under-
served communities. I hear far too often that small businesses in
my district are struggling to get financial documents prepared.
This bill provides such needed relief to small businesses. I look for-
ward to passing it in our Committee.
I thank you, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you. The gentleman yields
back.
Does any Member seek recognition for making an opening state-
ment at this time?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. Madam Chairwoman?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Will you please identify yourself and
the state?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. This is Carolyn Bourdeaux.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Who is seeking recognition?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. Carolyn Bourdeaux.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Carolyn Bourdeaux, you are recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Ms. BOURDEAUX. Thank you so much.
Madam Chairwoman, I rise in support of the bill before the Com-
mittee today as we work to deliver on our promise to help the
American people and small businesses who are the economic driv-
ers of our communities.
This legislation targets critical assistance to the hardest hit
small businesses who have been struggling for nearly a year to
withstand the economic crisis caused by COVID-19. The creation of
the Restaurant Revitalization Fund will help support the 1,600 res-
taurants located in my congressional district who are part of the
economic foundation of the diverse and rich community of Georgia’s
7th Congressional District.
We know that the COVID-19 pandemic has devastated the res-
taurant industry as necessary restrictions on indoor dining have
forced businesses to let employees go and many have had to perma-
nently close their doors. In Georgia, hundreds of thousands of
workers rely on restaurants and the foodservice industry to make
a living, including over 35,000 restaurant workers in my district.
This bill with the $25 billion allocated for restaurants through the
Restaurant Revitalization Fund ensures that restaurants can sus-
tain jobs that can be there waiting for them after we defeat the
COVID-19 pandemic.
The pandemic has not affected all businesses equally. Minority-
owned businesses and small mom and pop shops have been hit ex-
tremely hard by the economic effects of the pandemic, and this is
why the bill provides critical assistance to businesses with 10 em-
ployees or less through $15 billion in additional funding for the tar-
geted Economic Injury Disaster Loan Program and direct support
to particularly vulnerable businesses in low-income census tracts to
ensure that we take care of those who may have fallen through the
cracks.
Over the past year, Congress has allocated significant resources
to help small businesses weather the effects of the COVID-19 pan-
demic. Much of this assistance has helped businesses keep their
doors open even in the most challenging of circumstances.
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However, many small businesses have yet to receive help, either
because they are not aware that they qualify, or they do not know
how to utilize important features of these programs such as loan
forgiveness. In my district, information gaps and lack of resources
to adequately reach these small businesses have resulted in a dis-
parate recovery and inequities with respect to both access to capital
and loan forgiveness. As we continue to provide significant support
for small businesses amid this crisis, we must ensure that no busi-
ness that qualifies for aid is left behind. The Community Navigator
pilot program included in this bill will provide very important re-
sources to trusted community organizations who are on the
frontlines to help educate business owners and the public on oppor-
tunities to use these lifelines.
This program is a very prudent investment and important step
towards ensuring that every small business, especially those owned
by socially and economically disadvantaged individuals, minority
communities, women, and veterans, can access the assistance they
need.
Finally, I am proud to represent a district which contains a num-
ber of community theaters, including the Aurora Theater in
Lawrenceville, which would benefit from the Shuttered Venue Op-
erator Grant Program funding provided by this bill. Live music and
performance venues play such a vital role in our communities and
we must do all we can to ensure that these institutions are able
to survive this pandemic.
I thank the Committee for their hard work in producing the bill
before us today, and I look forward to continuing to ensure that all
small businesses have access to the resources they need to survive
the COVID-19 pandemic and reopen when it is safe to do so.
Thank you. I yield back the balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you. The gentlelady yields
back.
Does any Member seek recognition at this time?
Ms. CHU. Yes, I do. Judy Chu.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady from California, Judy
Chu, is recognized for 5 minutes.
Ms. CHU. Madam Chair, I would like to thank Chairwoman
Velázquez for offering today’s legislation to fulfill our Committee
instructions to deliver for the millions of small businesses that are
still facing near-impossible circumstances due to the COVID-19
pandemic.
We have a duty to ensure that they have the resources and as-
sistance they need to survive this crisis without compromising the
health of their customers, employees, and the community. That is
precisely what this legislation accomplishes, and it comes at a cru-
cial moment for our country’s small businesses. New cases, hos-
pitalizations, and deaths recently spiked almost unthinkable levels
with all but one-fifth of the total deaths in this pandemic occurring
over the last 6 weeks. And while our vaccination system improves
every day, there is still a long way to go to defeat the virus.
We know that these precarious conditions are costing small busi-
nesses. According to the Census Bureau, more small business own-
ers reported decreasing weekly revenue at the start of this year
than at any other time since last June. It is clear they need more
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help, and I am proud that this Committee is doing its part to de-
liver that assistance expeditiously.
We are doing that by building on the strong foundation of sup-
port laid by Congress since we passed our first COVID Response
bill in March of last year. Since those early days of the pandemic,
we have heard from struggling small businesses, from community
lenders, from SBA’s resource partners, from SBA and Treasury
leadership. Each of us have heard from countless small businesses
in our own districts that have warned us to make bipartisan im-
provements to our relief programs.
In my district, my small business owners were among the coun-
try’s first to feel the impacts of the pandemic, but they could not
find banks to process their PPP applications when the program
first launched. Stories like theirs help Congress to establish set-
aside lending authority for community financial institutions and
now this legislation takes another step in the right direction by cre-
ating a new Community Navigator program to directly connect un-
derserved businesses to COVID relief. It also expands PPP eligi-
bility to all struggling nonprofits, and I am so pleased that this leg-
islation includes $25 billion for new restaurant revitalization funds.
Like live venues, restaurants and bars simply just cannot oper-
ate at full capacity safely, and that is through no fault of their own.
The science tells us that indoor dining is an incredibly risky activ-
ity for COVID spread and this provision will allow these establish-
ments to stay afloat without having to put their staff or customers
at risk just to make ends meet.
This also illustrates an important point that I hope does not get
lost in the debate at this markup. This legislation is about helping
small businesses, but it is also about defeating the virus. We are
now reporting an average of almost 1.5 million vaccine doses ad-
ministered each day and can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
But to get there we all must continue to do our part to limit
spread. This bill provides small businesses with the tools and as-
sistance to do just that without closing their doors for good.
I support this legislation and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back.
Does any Member seek recognition for making a statement?
The first item on our agenda today is the Committee print pro-
viding for reconciliation pursuant to S.Con.Res.5, the concurrent
resolution on the budget for Fiscal Year 2021.
The clerk will report the bill.
The CLERK. Providing for reconciliation——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, the first reading
of the Committee print is dispensed with.
Without objection, the Committee print shall be considered a
thread and open for amendment at any point.
The Chair now recognizes herself to offer an amendment in the
nature of a substitute to the Committee print.
The clerk will report the amendment in the nature of a sub-
stitute.
The CLERK. Amendment 1v2 to the Committee print——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, the amendment is
considered as read.
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Without objection, the substitute will be considered as original
text for the purposes of further amendments.
So ordered.
I would now like to recognize the Ranking Member for 5 minutes
for a statement on the amendment in the nature of a substitute.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair. And I want to
thank you for thinking through some of these issues.
Unfortunately, I oppose the approach you have taken. Not only
has it been conducted in a manner that goes against the bipartisan
tradition of this Committee, but it unwisely increases program eli-
gibility and allocates dollars in a misguided manner.
Before I get into the substance of the bill, I want to comment
briefly on the long, bipartisan tradition of this Committee and the
bipartisanship that has previously been the blueprint for address-
ing COVID relief.
Historically, this Committee has worked on behalf of small busi-
nesses across the country. No matter the issue, we have found a
way to come together and develop a solution that addresses the
needs of the nation’s innovators. Congress has approached every
single COVID relief bill since the beginning of March in a bipar-
tisan manner. Both sides compromised and agreed on the best path
for America.
Unfortunately, this Congress and the new administration are
taking a different approach, and the resulting legislative package
we have before us proves just that. Less than 2 months ago, the
former president signed the December COVID Relief Bill directing
$325 billion to our nation’s small businesses. While the Small
Busines Administration and Department of Treasury acted quickly
to restart the PPP program, many of the other small business pro-
grams addressed in the bill have still not been activated by the
agencies. And yet, here we are today spending another $50 billion
on many of these same programs.
On behalf of our nation’s small businesses, entrepreneurs, and
startups, let’s resolve to work to ensure the reforms and enhance-
ments that were voted on in December are launched and imple-
mented correctly.
I also have concerns that we are expanding the Paycheck Protec-
tion Program beyond the original intent of Congress by removing
the critically important affiliation rules that help patrol the size of
eligible entities from entering into this critical government assist-
ance program.
Additionally, our side has consistently objected to sending dollars
to Planned Parenthood. This leaves the door wide open for them to
receive direct funding. Quite frankly, Madam Chair, this is unac-
ceptable.
This legislative package also continues down the path of inviting
fraud into government programs. Report after report from SBA’s
Office of Inspector General and Government Accountability Office
have cited concerns with fraud. In order to move forward with
many of these grant programs, we need to seriously consider over-
sight measures that will ensure American taxpayer dollars are pro-
tected.
We are willing to work in a bipartisan manner to refine and im-
prove many of these programs. We support assisting the hardest
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hit businesses, including additional targeted funding to restaurants
but we must do it in a smart approach. Overall, I must oppose this
amendment and the interim substitute offered by the Chair, and at
this time, I would like to yield to the Vice Ranking Member of the
Full Committee, the gentleman from Texas, Mr. Williams.
Mr. WILLIAMS. Thank you, Ranking Member.
I would also like to state my opposition to the A&S in its current
form. When this legislation turns away from the bipartisan nature
of the previous COVID-19 bills that have come through Congress,
this is purely partisan. It is a political process that is limiting the
ability of Republican Members to have any input on the final prod-
uct. There are already rumors that Democrats have been instructed
not to vote in favor of any Republican amendment that will be of-
fered during this markup and I hope that is not true. I think we
are bigger than that.
As an example of bipartisanship in the last COVID-19 relief bill,
I worked for many months on the Save Our Stages legislation. This
bill was widely supported on both sides of the aisle and garnered
over 100 bipartisan co-sponsors while we were educating other
Members of Congress about the unique needs of the live music in-
dustry.
This vital piece of legislation was included in the bill that passed
in December and even though it is now February, these heavily af-
fected industries are still waiting for the SBA to administer this
program.
I would think instead of working to get the bipartisan programs
up and running, we are now turning to other partisan priorities.
I truly believe we could come together again for the American peo-
ple and work on a bipartisan relief measure. Unfortunately, this
bill introduces provisions such as giving Planned Parenthood access
to relief funds, increasing minimum wage to $15, which I can tell
you as a business owner now employing hundreds of people, that
is a job killer. And other union giveaways that will force me to op-
pose this legislation in its current form.
I think we can, I think we must do better for this nation. We
need to continue implementing America First policies to help small
businesses and reopen the economy so our country can flourish
when the COVID-19 pandemic subsidies.
I yield my time back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. I yield back to the Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. We will now move to considering
amendments to the amendment in the nature of a substitute. The
Chair would like to note that while the amendment in the nature
of a substitute to the Committee print is open for amendment at
any time, for the convenience of Members and staff we will be con-
sidering amendments in the order they are listed on the roster pro-
vided to your office electronically.
The Chair now recognizes herself to offer a manager’s amend-
ment.
The clerk will please report the amendment.
The CLERK. Amendment 1v1 to the amendment——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, the reading of the
amendment is dispensed with.
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I recognize myself for 5 minutes.
This manager’s amendment makes technical edits to correct typo-
graphical errors and remove bracketed text or placeholders inad-
vertently left in the print.
Without objection, the amendment is agreed to.
We will now proceed to consider pre-filed amendments in the
order listed in the amendment roster starting with the gentleman
from Missouri, Mr. Luetkemeyer.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, are you going to have a
vote on the manager’s amendment first?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. We do not need it, sir.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Okay. Very good. Okay, I appreciate that.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
I do have an amendment. It is at the desk. Is it ready to be dis-
cussed?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has an amendment
at the desk and the clerk will report the amendment.
The CLERK. Substitute Amendment 1v1, the amendment to the
Committee print offered by Mr. Luetkemeyer——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
The Ranking Member now is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair.
We are all aware of the impact small businesses have on our
economy. They propel it. They steer it. They land it. Simply put,
small businesses are one of the most import segments of our econ-
omy. While I certainly appreciate your effort to bolster our small
business constituency, Madam Chair, I feel that there are just too
many extraneous subdivisions in the amendment in the nature of
a substitute that you have offered.
We have two excellent, proven, and results-oriented programs
that have answered the call over the last 2 years and I believe we
should bolster them instead of creating new programs. Of course,
I am speaking of the Paycheck Protection, or PPP program, and the
Economic Injury Disaster Loan program, or EIDL. Additionally, I
would like to add that these ideas were the ones that a few center
Republicans brought to President Biden at the beginning of the
month. They are thinking about these ideas, and so are we.
Madam Chair, under your leadership and the Biden administra-
tion, the Biden administration has given us another $50 billion to
work with. We should put those funds into established programs
that have proven results. My amendment would strike everything
before us and simply put $40 billion into the established PPP pro-
gram and $10 billion into the proven EIDL program. But also re-
serve $25 million for the appropriated funds for SBA’s Office of In-
spector General to support their efforts to conduct oversight of
these programs instead of creating new grant programs. This is a
demonstrated way to get these funds into the hands of the people
who can use it best.
I urge my colleagues to support my amendment. And with that,
Madam Chair, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do any other Members seek recognition?
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Ms. CRAIG. Madam Chair, this is Congresswoman Angie Craig,
and I seek time in opposition to the Ranking Member’s substitute
amendment.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlewoman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Ms. CRAIG. Thank you so much, Chairwoman.
Colleagues, the Ranking Member’s substitute, among many trou-
bling, proposed changes, would strike section 603 of the amend-
ment in the nature of a substitute we are considering which deals
with support for restaurants.
As you all know, it has been nearly a year since the COVID-19
pandemic forever changed American life, leaving millions of our
constituents jobless and burdening countless new and unprece-
dented challenges. Restaurants were some of the first businesses to
understand the devastating economic impact of this public health
crisis and they are still feeling the effects.
In April of last year alone, more than 5 million restaurant work-
ers lost their jobs, accounting for more than 25 percent of the job
losses nationwide that month. I saw beloved family-owned res-
taurants across my district, like Jo Jo’s Rise and Wine in Burns-
ville and Granny Donuts in West St. Paul close their doors for
good. Other restaurants have laid off staff or cut hours just to stay
afloat. It is our responsibility in Congress to ensure we do not lose
any more of these vital businesses or jobs that they offer in our
communities.
Last year, I joined many of my colleagues as a co-sponsor of the
Restaurants Act legislation, and I am again supporting in the
117th Congress. And over the past year I have repeatedly joined
similar efforts to deliver relief directly to our small, struggling,
independent restaurants.
Just a few days ago, I sent a congressional leadership letter with
some of my colleagues in the Minnesota delegation, including fellow
Committee Member Dean Phillips. In that letter we reiterated the
urgent need for this assistance and urged negotiators to include it
in the text that we are considering here today. As a result of that
work and the advocacy of so many Americans, I am pleased to say
that the long-overdue relief grant program for restaurants has been
included in today’s markup.
The Restaurant Revitalization Fund has the potential to help
nearly 500,000 independent restaurants, as well as their 11 million
employees whose futures have been in jeopardy every single day
since this public health crisis started. Restaurants are the beating
heart of every single one of our communities. Let’s stand up for
them and reject the substitute that the Ranking Member here
today, the gentleman, has sought that would strip this relief from
our community’s most cherished small businesses.
I encourage my colleagues to oppose this amendment.
Thank you, and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
There is further debate on the amendment? Any other Member
who would like to be recognized?
I will recognize myself for 5 minutes.
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I share my colleague, Mr. Luetkemeyer’s commitment to small
businesses, but I will have to respectfully disagree with this
amendment in the nature of a substitute. Over the course of the
past year, we held hearings, listened to experts, and made a num-
ber of improvements to the Economic Relief program, mainly mak-
ing it easier for small businesses to access and use the funds. And
while the PPP and the EIDL program have helped millions of small
businesses, we heard testimony just this past week that these pro-
grams were not tailored to meet the unique needs of restaurants
and other hard-hit businesses.
We also heard that they were not meeting the needs of the
undeserved communities. Put simply, these programs are not
enough. That is why we developed a comprehensive package that
targeted aid to the minority small businesses in the hardest hit in-
dustry.
I think it is also important to note that the Senate voted 90 to
10 expressing its bipartisan support for the bill to help restaurants.
Restaurants have lost over 2.4 million jobs since the start of the
pandemic, far more than any other industry. They are in crisis and
the PPP is not working for them.
In the second quarter of 2020, restaurants lost over $220 billion
in revenue and received less than 18 percent of their losses in the
PPP. For restaurants, the PPP was a 10-week solution to what is
becoming a year to 18 long problem (phonetic). That is why we are
providing $25 billion to establish a grant program to help res-
taurants. They need a long-lasting solution like grants to make it
through the cold winter.
It is for all those reasons that I oppose the gentleman’s amend-
ment.
I ask if there is any further debate on this amendment.
Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentleman
from Missouri.
I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute your-
selves for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. WILLIAMS. Madam Chair, I request a recorded vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. Is there a sufficient second?
There is a sufficient second.
Pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and House Rule 11, further pro-
ceedings on the amendment are postponed.
We will now consider the second Luetkemeyer amendment.
For what purpose does the gentleman from Missouri seek rec-
ognition?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. I have an amendment at the desk, Madam
Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 2v1 to the amendment——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
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The Ranking Member is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair.
This is a simple, straightforward amendment that increases the
money allocated to the Small Business Administration’s Office of
Inspector General by an additional $25 million.
Let me just set the scene here. In the last 11 months, Congress
has appropriated approximately $1 trillion in loan and loan guar-
anty programs for COVID relief. Over $600 billion of those dollars
have been dispersed by the SBA. This level and speed of spending
is extraordinary, beyond anything we have ever seen in the history
of this country, and unfortunately, saw many instances of fraud
and abuse. The SBA’s Office of Inspector General operates at the
frontlines of this war we are waging against the toll of COVID-19
on small businesses, safeguarding taxpayers’ hard-earned dollars,
and holding the SBA accountable for the administration of their
loan programs. Already, the SBA OIG has flanked several defi-
ciencies in SBA’s implementation of the Paycheck Protection Pro-
gram, and serious concerns of fraud and economic injury in the
Disaster Loan Program. We must ensure that this office has the re-
sources it needs to continue doing the enormously important work
of holding the SBA accountable. This amendment does just that.
Madam Chair, we have got two duties as legislators. One is to
put legislation out to solve problems and improve the lives of our
citizens, as well as to provide oversight over those programs that
we implement.
I realize that you guys have been told apparently up above what
the rumor is that you cannot accept any amendment, but to not put
money in the Office of the Inspector to continue to provide the
oversight which we, as legislators, as part of our duty to empower
them to be able to do this, to make sure these programs are admin-
istered correctly, that would not be adhering to the actual duties
of our job.
With that, Madam Chair, I urge for adoption of the amendment,
and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
I will recognize myself in opposition.
Ranking Member Luetkemeyer, it has been a pleasure to work
with you as our Committee exercises our oversight responsibilities
of the Small Business Administration. This has been an unprece-
dented time for the SBA with additional funding and authority put
in place to address the issues facing small businesses around the
country. As we are all aware, there have been some challenges and
growing pains with ramping up and implementing vital programs
such as PPP and EIDL.
While I appreciate the desire to provide more funding and sup-
port for the SBA Office of Inspector General, at this time, increas-
ing the authorization by an additional $25 million over what is cur-
rently in the bill will exceed the rules of this budget reconciliation
process. And I just want to make sure that we included $25 million
in this bill for the Office of Inspector General.
With that said, I will be voting no on this amendment but stand
ready to work with you and Members of this Committee to carry
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out our responsibility and to support the work of the SBA’s Office
of Inspector General.
Do any other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Is there any other further debate?
Seeing none, the none, the question is on the amendment by the
gentleman from Missouri.
I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute yourself
for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
We will now consider the Williams amendment.
For what purpose does the gentleman from Texas seek recogni-
tion?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I have an amendment at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 1v1 to the amendment to the Com-
mittee print——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. WILLIAMS. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.
My amendment would make Planned Parenthood and any affili-
ates or clinic ineligible for a loan under the Paycheck Protection
Program.
When COVID-19 hit the United States, it was clear that we
needed to provide relief to help keep small businesses afloat. How-
ever, just because we are facing a global pandemic, we cannot dis-
regard our core principles to protect the lives of the unborn. Like
many of my colleagues, I was outraged to learn that 37 Planned
Parenthood affiliates were able to obtain over $80 million through
the Paycheck Protection Program. Money that is intended to assist
our most vulnerable small businesses during COVID should do just
that and not fund abortions. Abortions are neither essential proce-
dures nor healthcare, and we cannot allow the country’s largest
abortion provider to receive a second time loan.
As COVID has continued to impact all aspects of American lives,
our small businesses’ aid programs should prioritize the most af-
fected industries instead of giving funds to an entity that devalues
the sanctity of life.
For decades, Congress has passed the Hyde Amendment to pre-
vent taxpayer dollars from going towards abortion. This bipartisan
provision ensured that half the country that is vehemently opposed
to abortion would not have to worry about their taxpayer dollars
going towards this horrible practice. My amendment would simi-
larly ensure taxpayer-funded programs designed for small busi-
nesses are not being accessed by the largest abortion provider in
the country. I am proud to continue fighting for the unborn and
urge everyone to support my amendment.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
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Ms. CHU. Yes. This is Judy Chu.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. For what purpose does the
gentlelady from California seek recognition?
Ms. CHU. I would like to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady is recognized for 5
minutes.
Ms. CHU. Madam Chair, I urge a strong no vote on this amend-
ment.
I find it very troubling that our Republican colleagues have
taken their time to engage in partisan attacks on Planned Parent-
hood Health Centers by using a public health crisis to attack access
to essential reproductive healthcare. For decades, nonprofits such
as Planned Parenthood have played an integral role in the social
and economic well-being of the U.S., and for that reason, the
CARES Act made 501(c)(3) nonprofits eligible for PPP loans.
Planned Parenthood and its workers are on the frontlines pro-
viding vital healthcare services through the pandemic. For many
patients, local Planned Parenthood Health Centers are the only
source of healthcare. The unfortunate reality is the pandemic has
made existing barriers to care worse for many of the communities
they serve. This care is needed now more than ever with STI rates
soaring and increased barriers to sexual and reproductive
healthcare during this public health crisis.
Planned Parenthood Health Centers also create jobs that benefit
cities and states spurring economic growth. Paycheck Protection
Program loans have ensured that health centers can retain staff
and continue to provide patients with essential time-sensitive sex-
ual and reproductive health care during this crisis. Now, more than
ever, we know the importance of a strong healthcare workforce.
Let me remind you that Planned Parenthood Health Centers are
located in a diverse set of communities, and in fact, 57 percent are
in rural or medically-undeserved areas. This is just another Repub-
lican attack on the healthcare for Americans whose only access to
reliable, safe, and cost-effective treatment is in these centers. This
is not the time to play politics. It is certainly not the time to reduce
access to critical healthcare.
While local Planned Parenthood Health Centers are focusing on
providing critical healthcare for the communities during this pan-
demic, anti-choice extremists are focused on attacking critical safe-
ty net providers. And in fact, according to the Johns Hopkins Uni-
versity, the nonprofit workforce has lost 930,000, nearly a million,
compared to pre-COVID levels representing a 7.4 percent decline
from its pre-pandemic levels.
Planned Parenthood, like other nonprofits, such as the YMCA,
Boys and Girls Club of America, United Way, and Goodwill met the
requirements of the PPP program. In fact, each Planned Parent-
hood member organization is its own independent, not-for-profit
tax-exempt organization with an independent board of directors
that is the sole decisionmaker for all governance, finance, and oper-
ations of its organization. And, we see none of the same type of
treatment given by Republicans for other organizations like hate
groups, anti-vaccine groups, anti-abortion crisis pregnancy centers,
and Trump and Kushner properties, all of which received PPP
loans.
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It is critical that PPP be implemented in a uniform manner that
does not target any entity for exclusion, especially if you are doing
it for political ideology.
I strongly oppose this amendment and urge my colleagues to vote
no.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Luetkemeyer from
Missouri. I ask to be recognized.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair.
I support the gentleman from Texas’s amendment and urge its
adoption. The conversation about who can take Paycheck Protec-
tion Program or Economic Injury and Disaster Loans has been
going on for almost a year. However, this specific amendment ad-
dresses not only a conversation but a battle that we have continu-
ously fought our Democratic colleagues for decades. It is a fight for
human lives, for the unborn, and our constituencies yet to be
heard. Under no circumstances should there be any loopholes
present in legislation drafted by Congress that would allow
Planned Parenthood from profiteering on our citizens’ tax dollars.
The comment was made previously that we are playing politics
with this amendment. I would argue that the majority party is
playing politics with this issue again knowing the passion that we
have on our side for this issue against what they are trying to do.
Time and time again, we have had to stop the reckless funneling
of American tax dollars into the abortion-selling business.
Let me be very clear. Main street businesses which have suffered
throughout the pandemic deserve the support of Congress, but
giant corporations that quite literally suck the life out of people do
not. This amendment supports our small businesses, which provide
opportunity and income to families and communities and prevents
dollars from going to an organization that seeks to do just the op-
posite.
I urge its adoption, and with that, Madam Chair, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlemen yields back.
Is there any further debate on this amendment?
Let me say that I am in opposition. I claim 5 minutes in opposi-
tion to this amendment.
You know, as we enter the vaccine distribution phase, Planned
Parenthood affiliates have indicated that they are willing to help
distribute the vaccine. And Planned Parenthood, like other non-
profits, are integral to the economic well-being of their community.
They provide quality, high-paying jobs in their communities. And
Planned Parenthood, like other nonprofits such as the YMCA, Boys
and Girls Club of America, United Way, and Goodwill, they met
the requirements of PPP program, so there is no reason why we
need to discriminate against Planned Parenthood. For that reason
we ask a no vote.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
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Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentleman
from Texas.
I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute yourself
for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it.
Mr. WILLIAMS. Madam Chair, I request a recorded vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The amendment is not agreed to.
Mr. WILLIAMS. I request a recorded vote, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. A recorded vote has been requested.
Is there a sufficient second?
There is a sufficient second.
A roll call vote is ordered.
Pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and House Rule 11, further pro-
ceedings on the amendment are postponed.
We now consider the Williams second amendment.
For what purpose does the gentleman from Texas seek recogni-
tion?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I have an amendment at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 2v1 to the amendment to the Com-
mittee print offered by Mr. Williams——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. WILLIAMS. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.
My amendment would direct the administrator of the SBA to
make sure that previously passed relief programs within the SBA
are operational and getting money to businesses in need before
they take on any additional projects in this new bill.
Last July, I was proud, as I said, to introduce the Save Our
Stages Act to provide grants to independent music venues impacted
by COVID-19. These businesses were some of the first to close their
doors because of the pandemic and will be some of the last to re-
open. Without Federal assistance, these cultural staples of their
communities would never be able to survive the mandated govern-
ment shutdowns.
In the relief package we passed in December, a version of Save
Our Stages, called the Shuttered Venue Operator Grant Program,
was included to provide much-needed relief to music venues and
other heavily affected industries. These venues were thrilled that
they were finally being received and having some assistance. How-
ever, it is now February, looking at March, and this program is
still not accepting applications and getting money out the door.
As the businesses wait for this program to become active, they
are excluded from tapping into other forms of small business relief.
This is forcing businesses to decide between waiting for this pro-
gram and it is tailored to their unique needs to begin accepting ap-
plications or applying for PPP to receive immediate assistance.
It has now been 45 days since the program was signed into law,
and it is unacceptable that these businesses still cannot apply. In-
stead of continuing to ask and task the SBA with more programs
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to manage, they must first prioritize the programs they have al-
ready been authorized by law to do. The livelihoods of small busi-
ness Americans are at stake and we owe it to them to follow
through on our promises. I urge everyone to support my amend-
ment and help get the Shuttered Venue Operator Grant Program
up and running. It is good for America. It means more jobs.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Ranking Member, for what purpose
are you seeking recognition?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. I ask to be recognized.
I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair.
I support the gentleman from Texas’s amendment and urge its
adoption.
Over the last year, Congress has worked in a bipartisan manner
to create, administer, and oversee a multitude of new programs
and initiatives designed to respond to the COVID-19 pandemic.
These small business, through no fault of their own, have been
forced to close their doors. Or if they are lucky enough to live in
certain states, allowed to operate at 50 percent, 25 percent capacity
due to state or local ordinances. The bottom line is we need to re-
open our country. The gentleman from Texas’s amendment
prioritizes the established programs that Congress has already cre-
ated to respond to this pandemic as opposed to anything new that
may or may not work. We have the tools in place already to solve
this. This amendment prioritizes those recognized solutions to en-
sure small businesses have a clear lay of the land as they lead us
out of these difficult times.
With that, Madam Chair, I urge the adoption, and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
I will claim time in opposition.
This amendment offered by my colleague, Mr. Williams, will vio-
late the Byrd Rule in the Senate. While I understand the concerns
that SBA must publish rules and issue guidance quickly, we have
to get the economic relief out to small businesses without delay.
While I oppose the amendment, I assure the gentleman that I will
work with you to send a letter to SBA to ensure concerns are being
addressed.
And with that, I yield back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentleman
from Texas.
I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute yourself
for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
We will now consider the Meuser Amendment.
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For what purpose does the gentleman from Pennsylvania seek
recognition?
Mr. MEUSER. Madam Chairwoman, I have an amendment at
the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 1v1 to the amendment——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. MEUSER. Thank you, Madam Chair.
When Congress reopened the PPP program for a second round,
the intent was to tailor these funds to businesses that were most
impacted by the pandemic. As the rule is currently written, busi-
nesses are eligible for a second draw of PPP if they have less than
300 employees, they have used their first PPP loan for eligible ex-
penses and can demonstrate at least a 25 percent reduction in rev-
enue from 2019 to 2020. To calculate the 25 percent revenue reduc-
tion, a borrower must compare gross receipts from one quarter in
2020 to the corresponding quarter of 2019. Many small businesses,
however, do not follow traditional calendar quarters. Hospitality
businesses, for instance, often vary from 52 to 53 weeks but do not
necessarily have to end on the last day of the month causing confu-
sion and limiting opportunities for these businesses.
Additionally, the greatest loss in revenue for many of these busi-
nesses occurred in March, April, and May last year, which fall over
2 calendar quarters. So to resolve this issue, my amendment would
change the parameters for PPP to allow borrowers to calculate a
25 percent reduction over a 90-day period as opposed to a calendar
quarter which would allow a business to count their revenue when
it was most impacted.
For example, a business would calculate the start of the 90-day
period on March 13, for instance, the start of the shutdown, and
end it on June 12. This simple fix would allow more businesses the
opportunity to be eligible for the second round of PPP funds they
need and deserve.
I would like to thank the work of my friend, Congressman
French Hill and Ranking Member Luetkemeyer, who put in the ef-
fort to create this amendment, and I encourage my colleagues to
support this amendment.
Thank you, and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The Ranking Member——
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Luetkemeyer from Missouri.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ.—is seeking recognition for what pur-
pose?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair.
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I support the gentleman from Pennsylvania’s amendment and
ask my colleagues to support it as well. This should be one that we
should all agree on and there should be no concern.
What we are doing here is over the past year I have been with
countless small businesses and been on calls with them, not just
the ones in my district in Missouri that I have had the privilege
to speak with, but small businesses across the country.
One of the most critical things that they talk about is the need
for more flexibility. This is precisely what Mr. Meuser’s amend-
ment does. It provides small firms with a greater flexibility on
their second draw of PPP funds. Instead of having to choose one
of four rigid calendar quarter designations to demonstrate their 25
percent revenue loss, Mr. Meuser’s amendment allows these firms
to choose any contiguous 90-day period within 2020 to qualify. This
is a common-sense fix that will help millions of small businesses
qualify for the second PPP loan program. This is something I am
sure you, Madam Chair, and all the Members on the other side of
the aisle, you face the same question from the small businesses in
your district that are wanting to qualify for PPP, constantly getting
questions with regards to this 90-day period. This does exactly
what they want, gives them the flexibility that I think they need
to be able to qualify. I think the gentleman has got a common-
sense amendment. I certainly would urge everyone to adopt the
amendment.
And with that, I yield back the balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Madam Chair, it is Hagedorn. I would like to
strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. HAGEDORN. Thanks. I will be very brief.
I agree with the amendment here that has been offered by Con-
gressman Meuser and in the words of our ranking Republican, Mr.
Luetkemeyer, the small businesses that we talk with just, they
want flexibility. They need the flexibility. And the Committee has
been very good in the past about coming up with ways to provide
flexibility for our small businesses. For instance, how they were
going about spending the Paycheck Protection money. In this case
I think it just makes a lot of sense. And I would like to associate
myself with the remarks of the author of the bill and Mr. Luetke-
meyer. Thanks very much.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
And now I am going to claim my time in opposition.
The amendment is problematic for a couple of reasons. Do you
have a cost estimate for this amendment? Without a cost estimate,
we cannot move forward on this amendment with confidence that
it will not violate reconciliation instructions. While I really appre-
ciate your efforts, we cannot lose sight of our main focus here, and
that is to provide economic relief to the underserved and hardest
hit communities quickly. F or that reason I oppose the amendment.
Any further debate on the amendment?
Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentleman
from Pennsylvania.
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I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute yourself
for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
We will now consider the Meuser second amendment.
For what purpose does the gentleman from Pennsylvania seek
recognition?
Mr. MEUSER. Madam Chairwoman, I have an amendment at
the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 2v1 to the amendment to the Com-
mittee print offered by Mr. Meuser, page 11——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed. The gentleman is recognized for
5 minutes.
Mr. MEUSER. Thank you.
Prior to the pandemic, the SBA 7(a) Loan Program was SBA’s
most common loan program and served as a critical tool for small
businesses to get access to capital. The 7(a) Loan Program helps
small businesses secure loans by guaranteeing a portion of the
loan, limiting fees, and lowering interest rates. This program al-
lows small businesses who might not be able to obtain a loan
through traditional sources access to the funding they need to get
back on their feet. These loans serve as a bridge for small busi-
nesses and can be used to acquire business essentials like real es-
tate property, inventory, working capital, refinancing debt, and
purchasing equipment. In Fiscal Year 2019, SBA made approxi-
mately 52,000 7(a) loans totaling more than $23.17 billion. In the
SBA’s Easton, Pennsylvania district where many of my constitu-
ents work, in Fiscal Year 2019, more than 1,360 loans totaling
more than $517 million went out to support small businesses. Cur-
rently, the maximum loan amount a business can receive from the
traditional SBA 7(a) Loan Program is $5 million. My amendment
would simply expand the maximum loan amount from $5 million
to $6 million in just over a 1-year period. As businesses struggle
to overcome the challenges of the pandemic, I believe it is impor-
tant that we provide sufficient access to such capital as the busi-
nesses who need it most.
I urge my colleagues to support this amendment and yield the
balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. CROW. Madam Chair, it is Jason Crow seeking time in op-
position.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. the gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. CROW. Thank you, Madam Chair.
I am going to start by just saying I appreciate Mr. Meuser’s sug-
gestions here and the spirit with which he offers this amendment.
And I do agree that improvements need to be made to many of our
SBA programs. In fact, this Committee, as you know, has a very
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long history of working collaboratively to find ways to improve, to
get the relief to our businesses that need it the most.
But the manner in which this is being done is not the manner
to do it for two reasons. Number one, we have a lot of very complex
needs that we are facing here with these programs. The purpose
of this hearing and this bill and the process that we are going
through today is to get relief as quickly as possible to those busi-
nesses that are struggling the most just to keep their doors open
right now during this pandemic. We are going to go through a
longer process through regular order for the rest of this session to
address these longer-term fixes that are needed to the programs.
But to get the need and the relief that is necessary to our busi-
nesses as quickly as possible I think is something that we can all
come together and work towards.
The second is just the nature of the amendment itself is to raise,
to increase the maximum loan amount of the 7(a) program from $5
million to $6 million. Now, this is a fantastic program, the 7(a) pro-
gram, and it is a program that all of us support. But one of the
biggest challenges to this program is not necessarily the maximum
loan amount but what we hear frequently is the vast majority of
folks, the truly mom and pop businesses, the small business that
are not applying for the maximum, that are applying for much
lower amounts, they are having a hard time getting it. We need to
work collaboratively to figure out how we can get that money to
those smaller businesses much quicker and much more effectively.
We think that is the priority, not necessarily increasing at this
point in this particular process that maximum loan amount. And
that is why I will oppose that amendment with a promise to work
with you, Mr. Meuser, to address the spirit of your amendment in
the months and years ahead, but I would encourage all of my col-
leagues to oppose this amendment.
Thank you. I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Is there any further debate on this amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is the Ranking Mem-
ber.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The Ranking Member is recognized
for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you. I move to strike the last word.
Just very quickly, I think what the gentleman is trying to do in
this amendment here is to adjust the loan amount that the SBA
can do in response to the situation we have. Now, you all know,
those of you who have been on this Committee before, that we were
always adjusting these amounts based on the need, based on infla-
tion, based on in this situation, the COVID situation, the loans
need to be bigger so the response can be bigger to be able to handle
the needs of the people that we are servicing with these loans. To
me, this makes common sense. We do this all the time.
In response to the previous individual who said this is more long-
term, this also can be very immediate, number one. And number
two, there is another program within, not this particular section of
the bill but the Financial Services section of the bill that deals with
SSBCIs that actually is structuring the money to be going out over
the next 10 years. I argued it at the last Committee hearing that
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I was in with that about we need to be doing it on an immediate
basis, not over the next 10 years. And so now I hear we want to
do it on an immediate basis in 10 years which is just the opposite
of what is going on in this bill. But what Mr. Meuser is trying to
do is to allow for the immediate help of needs as we see the needs
of these businesses exponentially go up out here because of the
COVID situation. And remember, these loans are made through
banks, guaranteed, so that, you know, there is some oversight
there.
I am supportive of this amendment. I think it is very timely, and
I think it meets a need that definitely is going to be there. If it is
not already, it is going to be there very shortly.
I ask the adoption of the amendment. With that, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Is there any further debate on this amendment?
I oppose the amendment and I will ask the Members to oppose
it.
This is the type of, the 7(a), the 504, all those lending programs
under SBA, we will be revamping those programs for the long
term. We care about the next step for a long-term economic recov-
ery, but this is not the place. And we will welcome your input. We
are going to be holding hearings, and we will deal with revamping
those lending programs on another day.
With that, is there any other Member who wishes to be recog-
nized for the purpose of discussing this amendment?
Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentleman
from Pennsylvania.
I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute yourself
for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
We will now consider the Garbarino amendment.
For what purpose does the gentleman from New York seek rec-
ognition?
Mr. GARBARINO. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. I have an
amendment at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 1v1 to the amendment to the Com-
mittee print offered by Mr. Garbarino.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. GARBARINO. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.
Small businesses across the country have been crippled, not just
by the effects of but also the response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
None has been hit harder than the restaurant industry. What was
the second largest private sector employer in the country has now
seen more than 110,000 restaurants close since the pandemic
began 1 year ago. That is one in six of every restaurants closed in
the country in the span of a year. These small, family-owned entre-
preneurs need our help and assistance, and they need it now.
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Here on Long Island, we have seen a once vibrant and successful
restaurant industry turn on its head with pubs, eateries, casual
and fine dining restaurants, as well as catering halls shuttered in
the wake of coronavirus shutdowns and restrictions. Employment
in Nassau and Suffolk counties for foodservice and drinking estab-
lishments decreased from 98,900 in December 2019 to 68,500 in
December 2020. That is a decline of 30,400 people working in the
foodservice industry. In nearby New York City, known to some as
the restaurant capital of the world, their restaurants are still
closed for indoor dining. These restaurants have done everything
asked of them to try to open and be safe, but the government keeps
moving the goalpost.
They need our help and they need it now, and I am happy that
so many of my colleagues have spoken in favor tonight of the need
to help restaurants and their support for the Restaurants Act. I
also am a co-sponsor of the Restaurants Act, a bill that would in-
ject $120 billion in restaurant relief for these struggling small busi-
nesses. I am hopeful that legislation will receive consideration by
this Congress. However, until that time, I am calling on this Com-
mittee to support an amendment before you which will increase the
appropriation to the Restaurant Revitalization Fund from the pro-
posed $25 billion to $45 billion. The proposed $25 billion in assist-
ance to the Restaurant Revitalization Fund in this Committee print
is insufficient. It does not even come close to the amount of the as-
sistance that these small businesses need to survive.
I request that everyone accept this amendment.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
For what purpose is the gentleman from Pennsylvania seeking
recognition?
Mr. EVANS. I want to be recognized to oppose this amendment.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has an amendment
at the desk?
Mr. EVANS. No.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Sorry. In opposition.
Mr. EVANS. Opposition, yes.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. EVANS. Thank you, Madam Chair.
I am very supportive of the Restaurant Revitalization Fund. For
months I have been hearing from restaurants in my district about
the need to pass the bill which will provide $120 billion for grants
to restaurants. I fully support that bill. The Restaurant Revitaliza-
tion is based on that bill. While it has not received full funding,
it received $25 billion to start as the Small Business Committee
was only able to give $50 billion to the budget. That simply is what
we can do without breaking the requirement.
That said, we will be happy to work with you on the future legis-
lation to provide more funding to this critical program should a
need arise. Considering this amendment would only put the Small
Business Committee outside the budget requirement of this bill.
I urge my colleagues to vote no against this amendment, and I
thank you, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
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Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is the Ranking Mem-
ber.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is seeking recogni-
tion?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. To strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair.
The gentleman is trying to be proactive here and actually fund
this program to where it probably is going to need to go if you are
serious about actually helping restaurants and the way you struc-
tured this program. Quite frankly, the way you structured it is ba-
sically every restaurant out there can qualify for this grant. And
it is a grant. So you are going to have everybody lining up. The tes-
timony in this Committee today said there were half a million res-
taurants still out there that were operating with another 110,000
either closed up or temporarily closed up. If you just take the
500,000 restaurants and divide that into $25 billion, that is
$50,000 per restaurant. And this program has got, if you read
through it, the amounts are capped I think somewhere around $10
million per restaurant. That fund is going to be out of dollars by
the end of the month. What the gentleman from New York is try-
ing to do here is actually get this thing funded. If you really were
serious about helping restaurants and you really want to be able
to fund them at the rate we need to, that is what he is actually
trying to do.
So I think we are going to be back here again very shortly trying
to find some more money for this program, mark my words, if you
do not change the structure of it, change the qualifications of it,
and do not change the amount of money in it, we will be back here.
I will guarantee you. And I certainly will remind you that I made
this statement.
With that, I urge the adoption of the amendment, and I yield
back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Ms. NEWMAN. Yes, I do, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Can you please——
Ms. NEWMAN. Marie Newman.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady is recognized for 5
minutes.
Ms. NEWMAN. And I will not take that long. I just want to
make a couple of comments.
I know there has been respectfully a lot of talk about bipartisan-
ship and the Committee is bipartisan which is great and that is my
expectation, and I cannot wait to work on some of these programs
that are not making their way into them. But here is what I will
say, and let’s just all be very real with one another that there was
8 months of ability to have bipartisanship in between the first Re-
lief Act and the second. With that, I agree with the Ranking Mem-
ber. I think he is insightful. We will be back together, and I hope
there is bipartisanship then. But I just want to remind everyone
that that 8 month period caused about 1,000 restaurants in my dis-
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trict money they could have used. I love that they are on board
now, but they had 8 months to be on board. Let’s remember where
we all were and let’s get back together after this act gets out and
get them some money and prevent another 1,000 restaurants from
losing their livelihood.
Thank you very much, and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. DONALDS. Yeah, Madam Chair, I do wish to be recognized.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Who is seeking recognition, please?
Mr. DONALDS. Mr. Donalds, the gentleman from Florida.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized.
Mr. DONALDS. Thank you, Madam Chair.
My points are pretty simple. I was hearing the last remarks and
obviously, I am new here. Just came in in the 117th, but one thing
that has been clear to me having been in Florida’s legislature last
year is that this 8 months in question where a bipartisanship could
have been accomplished there was no desire to negotiate from the
current Speaker of the House. I think for the record it should be
clear that the current speaker had an opportunity to negotiate well
beyond what she chose to do in this 8 month period. And so while
restaurants in my former House district and now my current con-
gressional district that were suffering just like in the gentlelady’s
district, just like in just about every district for the Members of
this Committee, I think the record needs to be clear that the nego-
tiation goes both ways and the current speaker was unwilling to
do so. Hopefully, that changes going forward.
I yield back the rest of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman——
Ms. NEWMAN. Can I make one more comment, Chairwoman?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Who is seeking recognition, please?
Ms. NEWMAN. It is Marie Newman again from Illinois.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. I am going to recognize myself and
I will yield to Ms. Newman.
Ms. NEWMAN. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. And I
appreciate the gentleman from Florida’s comments, and I am look-
ing forward to more bipartisanship as we move forward.
But again, the goalpost, I just want to be clear in what actually
happened, is the goalposts were moved at every juncture. It is on
the record. It is in writing. We know that the goalpost got moved
by the Republican Party several times. So while I am thrilled, look,
I am thrilled that every wants to be bipartisan after we get some
money out to them, and I want to do more, and it sounds like you
genuinely want to do more, so I am looking forward to that. But
I want to be clear that that negotiation was not a negotiation, that
the goalpost moved every single time that they came back to say
yes. So, I just wanted that in the record as well.
And I yield back and thank you very much.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Reclaiming my time, I just would
like to say that I fully agree with my colleagues that restaurants,
bars, and other eateries have been disproportionately impacted by
the coronavirus. The second largest private employer in the country
is vital to both main street and the overall economy. But let me
also remind my colleagues that how many relief packages have
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gone through the House and we were not able to get a restaurant
grant or legislation to help the restaurant industry. For the first
time today we are creating a $25 billion grant program to assist
restaurants across the country.
So even though I recognize the importance of providing more
money for the restaurants, appropriating 90 percent of the $50 bil-
lion to one industry at this time neglects the needs of other small
businesses. And the Committee heard testimony last week of the
struggles of a theater owner that said that the pandemic has near-
ly wiped out his business. The National Association of Theaters es-
timates that 75 percent of movie theaters will be insolvent this
spring unless they receive financial aid. Those businesses deserve
our support.
Again, I am willing to work with my colleagues to find ways to
support main street restaurants, but I must oppose this amend-
ment.
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. For what purpose does the gen-
tleman from Maryland seek recognition?
Mr. MFUME. I move to strike the last word, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. MFUME. Just a point of fact in this discussion. I appreciate
the gentleman from Florida saying that he was not here last year
and sort of recanting the efforts or the lack thereof of what he con-
sidered to be the speaker’s attempts to find a way to reach a com-
promise, what was then known as the Heroes Act.
We actually lost 115 days before the majority leader in the other
body, the gentleman from Kentucky, bothered to meet to discuss
anything at all. In fact, it was the majority leader in the other body
who said that the bill was ‘‘dead on arrival.’’ Those are not my
words; those are his words. And that occurred 2 days after passage.
The negotiations that did start started after 115 days, and they
were not really negotiation. It was more like take it or leave it.
Let’s just make sure that we are accurate and factual here with re-
spect to the speaker’s efforts which were clear. And let’s be mindful
of the fact also that the negotiation did not occur because the dis-
tinguished gentleman from Kentucky, the majority leader in the
other body, said that that was dead on arrival. I am glad that we
are at this point. Madam Chair, I would have been remiss though
if I did not at least recant what the actual facts were regarding the
time that was lost because of no negotiations.
Thank you, and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentleman
from New York.
I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute yourself
for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment
is——
Mr. GARBARINO. Madam Chair, I request a recorded vote.
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Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote.
Is there a sufficient second?
There is a sufficient second. A roll call vote is ordered.
Pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and House Rule 11, further pro-
ceedings on the amendment are postponed.
We will now consider the Garbarino second amendment.
For what purpose does the gentleman from New York seek rec-
ognition?
Mr. GARBARINO. Madam Chairwoman, I have an amendment
at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 2v1——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. GARBARINO. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.
Our nation’s small businesses are facing unprecedented economic
disruption due to the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic. The
CARES Act created the Paycheck Protection Program and ex-
panded the Economic Injury Disaster Loan, the EIDL program in
response to the economic disruption appropriating hundreds of bil-
lions of dollars to assist small businesses affected by health and
economic crisis. The PPP provides loans to help businesses keep
their workforce employed during the COVID-19 crisis and the
EIDL program is designed to provide economic relief to small busi-
nesses and nonprofit organizations that are experiencing a tem-
porary loss of revenue due to unforeseen disasters and crises.
I know many businesses and not-for-profits that have been saved
due to these programs. This proposed amendment would prohibit
the administrator of the Small Business Administration from pro-
viding any covered SBA assistance, including PPP loan, a second
draw PPP loan, EIDL loan or EIDL Advance to an individual or a
business concern owned or controlled by an individual who is con-
victed of a nonconsensual sex offense, or convicted of assaulting a
police officer, or convicted of a crime of violence under Federal or
state law during the 5-year period ending on the date on which the
covered SBA assistance would be provided. This amendment is jus-
tified by the following statement of the SBA in addition to following
other legal statutes. This is what the statement was. ‘‘It is not in
the public interest for SBA to extend financial assistance to per-
sons who are not of good character.’’ This amendment codifies that
statement into law.
Madam Chairwoman, I ask that the Members approve this
amendment.
Thank you, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Well, I oppose the amendment by my colleague, Mr. Garbarino,
that will exclude persons convicted of certain violent or sexual felo-
nies or misdemeanors from obtaining PPP and EIDL funds. First
and foremost, COVID-19 relief is for existing businesses and cur-
rent business owners with a proven reentry track record. This
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amendment also violates the spirit behind the bipartisan Fair
Chance Act that was signed into law last Congress. Every year,
thousands of individuals return to their community seeking to re-
build their lives. In 2020, more than 41,000 incarcerated individ-
uals were released from Federal prisons, and more than 97 percent
of the nation’s 151,600 Federal inmates will eventually be released.
The formerly incarcerated face significant barriers to reentering
the workforce, including bias against hiring individuals with crimi-
nal records, little access to education, and ineligibility for public
benefits. Studies have shown that individuals released from prison
who found employment were less likely to recidivate. Entrepre-
neurship can play a key role in helping these individuals overcome
barriers to reentry and successfully transition back into the work-
place and their communities. That is what we all want. That is
what communities and families are aspiring, that these people that
are released that have complied with everything that they have
been asked to do that now are given a fighting chance. That is
what it is all about, giving individuals a second chance. Therefore,
those formerly incarcerated who have served their time and paid
their debt to society should not continue to be penalized for past
wrongs while trying to keep their small business afloat. To that
end, I oppose the amendment.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. For what purpose does the gen-
tleman seek recognition?
Mr. MFUME. I move to strike the last word. And I would
just——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. MFUME. I would offer up in support of your reservation the
fact that this amendment, while it may be well-intentioned is very,
very far-reaching in terms of what it does. Because it says that a
person convicted of a misdemeanor is not eligible for any sort of
PPP funding, which means a lot of people are left out. Some Mem-
bers of this distinguished body, perhaps, and in the other body who
have been convicted of or found to have been convicted of a mis-
demeanor at some point in their lives, it means that Members of
the current administration who may have been convicted of a mis-
demeanor at any point in their live is no longer eligible. It means
that many people who are trying to rehabilitate themselves and for
whatever reason may have been found guilty of a misdemeanor,
even if they are a small business owner, is not eligible under this
language. Because a misdemeanor, according to the dictionary, con-
tains a definition that is so broad—trespassing, drunkenness in a
public space, petty theft, marijuana smoking. I mean, we just wipe
out a whole eligible group of small business owners who are small
business owners not because they once had a conviction of a mis-
demeanor when they were younger but because they got their lives
together and have developed the ability to help create a circle of
flow of income in communities by establishing a business. And are
now ineligible under the language here, which I think is just too
broad. Again, I understand the intent. It is the effect that I really
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have problems with. I would yield back and I would support your
reservation, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Who is seeking recognition, please?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber, Minnesota 8. I would like to strike the
last word and yield to Congressman Garbarino, please.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized.
Mr. GARBARINO. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.
Just to clarify this amendment, this does not apply to all mis-
demeanors. This only applies to convictions of violent mis-
demeanors. It does not apply to, as the previous gentleman just
stated, marijuana smoking or drunkenness. Only violent crimes.
Violent felonies, violent misdemeanors, sex crimes, sex assault
crimes, and assaults against police officers. It is not as far-reaching
as the gentleman had just suggested. It is violent misdemeanors,
violent felonies, assaults against a police officer, and sexual as-
saults and convictions.
Thank you very much, and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair, if I might?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. If there is anyone that could claim
time. Mr. Evans is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. EVANS. I yield. I yield.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields.
Mr. MFUME. Thank you. I thank the gentleman from Philadel-
phia.
I will only read the words which I have reacted to, and the words
say that, ‘‘No person convicted of a felony related to a nonconsen-
sual sexual act convicted of or a misdemeanor.’’ I am reading it the
way it is written. And if I am in error then I stand to be corrected.
But even if I am, I think the points that you have raised with re-
spect to the punishing aspect of this for people who are already
small business owners cannot be overlooked.
I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentleman
from New York.
I ask all Members attending please virtually to unmute yourself
for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. GARBARINO. Madam Chairwoman, I request a recorded
vote, please.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote.
Is there a sufficient second?
There is a sufficient second. A roll call vote is ordered.
Pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and House Rule 11, further pro-
ceedings on the amendment are postponed.
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We will now consider the Kim amendment. For what purpose
does the gentlewoman from California seek recognition?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Madam Chair, I have an amendment to the
amendment at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 1v1 to the amendment to the Com-
mittee print——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentlewoman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Thank you, Madam Chair.
My amendment would simply repurpose $15 billion of unspent
funds from the EIDL program into the new Restaurant Fund. Ac-
cording to the National Restaurant Association, our communities
have lost at least 110,000 restaurants and over 2.5 million jobs in
the industry. In my state of California, the lack of direction from
the governor’s office has only made matters worse for small busi-
ness owners and family-owned restaurants in my community.
I have the honor of representing one of the most diverse districts
in the country where many family-owned restaurants have been es-
tablished for many generations. For many people in my community,
it is hard to see some of the long-established restaurants close per-
manently because of this pandemic.
Just last December, Congress decided to replenish the EIDL Ad-
vance grant program with an additional $10 billion. A large portion
of that EIDL has not been used for that intended purpose. I ask
a simple question: why are we thinking about repurposing the
unspent funds we have allocated to provide aid for businesses that
really need it? I invite my colleagues to repurpose this unspent
EIDL funds so that we can get much needed aid in the hands of
our restaurants right away.
I urge my colleagues to support my amendment and let’s go save
our restaurants.
With that, I yield back the balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized?
For what purpose is the gentleman from Pennsylvania seeking
recognition?
Mr. EVANS. In opposition to the amendment.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. EVANS. While I appreciate my colleagues’ effort to increase
funding for the new grant program for restaurants, I am opposed
to transferring money from the EIDL loan amount. Throughout
Congress, we have fought so hard to ensure SBA EIDL program re-
mains a well functional and well-funded program. At the same
time, we have heard there are many industries that have been
uniquely impacted by COVID-19 such as restaurants who have
only been able to operate at a fraction of their 2019 revenue.
I believe the best text strikes the appropriate balance between
their competing interests, both strengthening the EIDL and the
Advance program and establishing a Restaurant Revitalization
Fund. I am also deeply convinced that this proposal will severely
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limit the ability of the EIDL program to continue to reach the com-
munities it has demonstrated effectiveness in reaching—immi-
grant-owned businesses, women-owned businesses, minority-owned
businesses, and micro businesses. Recently published data from the
SBA shows the EIDL program was especially effective in reaching
population states such as California, Florida, Texas, New York.
California has about 12 percent of all U.S. businesses. They have
received 18 percent of all EIDL loans. We cannot afford to cripple
such a unique, effective program at this time.
For that reason I strongly, strongly encourage to vote no on this
amendment.
Thank you, Madam Chair. I yield back the balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on this amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is the Ranking Mem-
ber. I request——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is seeking recogni-
tion.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair.
This is similar to the amendment we had a while ago when they
were trying to plus up the restaurant portion of the bill. And I
think my comments, I will stand by them earlier, that if you really
want to get serious about trying to fund this thing to where it
needs to be you have got to put some more money in it. And what
the lady does with this amendment is, if you read it very carefully,
it says ‘‘unspent funds from the Economic Injury and Disaster Loan
Fund.’’ It does not transfer all the money from it. What it does, it
takes the unspent portion of it. These are funds that are not even
going to be utilized. This is a smart way to redirect funds that are
unspent and make sure they are repurposed someplace where they
actually are needed instead of redirecting them someplace else
where somebody has another priority of some kind.
I think this is a really well-intentioned amendment. I think it is
very well done, and I think we need to support it.
With that, I yield back the balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Is there any further debate on this amendment?
Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentle-
woman from California.
I ask all Members attending please to unmute yourself for the
roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Madam Chair, may I ask for yeas and nays?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady has requested a re-
corded vote.
Is there a sufficient second?
There is a sufficient second. A roll call is ordered.
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Pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and the House Rule 11, further
proceedings on the amendment are postponed.
We will now consider the Kim second amendment.
For what purpose does the gentlelady from California seek rec-
ognition?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Madam Chair, I have an amendment at the
desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 2v1 to the amendment to the Com-
mittee report offered by Mrs. Kim——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
The gentlewoman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Thank you, Madam Chair.
My amendment is very simple. It will require the Small Business
Administration to submit a report to Congress on the waste, fraud,
and abuse within the EIDL program since January 1, 2020. If Con-
gress is ready to provide additional funding for the EIDL program,
we should also gather more information on ways in which Congress
can limit fraud and protect taxpayers. While the Federal govern-
ment has charged many individuals for submitting fraudulent loan
applications, Congress needs more information from the SBA to
learn more about how our Committee can act to reduce fraud.
I implore my colleagues to join the effort to protect our taxpayers’
hard-earned dollars and ensure that relief is getting into the right
hands.
I urge my colleagues to support my amendment, and with that
I yield back the balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on this amendment?
Well, I am going to recognize myself in opposition to this amend-
ment.
This amendment offered by my colleague, Mrs. Kim, will violate
the Byrd Rule in the Senate. While I understand the concerns of
my colleague regarding waste, fraud, and abuse in the EIDL pro-
gram, this reconciliation package is unfortunately not the vehicle
to address them. Therefore, I am opposed to the amendment and
I urge my colleagues to oppose it as well.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentlelady
from California.
I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute yourself
for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Due to votes in another Committee, the Committee stands in re-
cess subject to the call of the Chair.
[Recess]
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The Committee will come to order.
The Committee will resume consideration of the amendment. We
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will now consider the Donalds first amendment. For what purpose
does the gentleman from Florida seek recognition?
Mr. DONALDS. Thank you, Madam Chair. I am out here just
presenting this next amendment. Congress has allocated more than
$796 billion to the PPP, and ultimately helped keep more doors
open for more than 5 million small businesses. Considering the
magnitude of this allocation, we saw several instances of bad be-
havior, by and large the program has been overwhelming success-
ful.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. I am sorry, yes, I am sorry. I was
distracted and I was also following the process here. The clerk will
report the amendment.
The CLERK. Amendment 1v1, see Amendments to the Com-
mittee Plan offered by Mr. Donalds.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentleman now is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes. Sorry for that.
Mr. DONALDS. No problem. My apologies, Madam Chair. Like
I was saying, Congress has already allocated more than $706 bil-
lion for the PPP program. Considering the magnitude of this alloca-
tion we have seen some issues, but by and large it has been very
successful. PPP eligibility was extended to qualifying organizations
under the 501(c)(3) statutes, including 501(c)(6)s, (19)s, and
through administrative action, 501(c)(12)s. These nonprofits are
public charities, chambers of commerce, veterans’ organizations,
community utility service providers, and many, many more. In
many cases these organizations are anchors in the communities
they serve. They serve as financial and sometimes even spiritual
resources to some of our most vulnerable Americans, the local
thrift stores and food banks, the community churches, the Amer-
ican Legion. And I would also add it has been discussed in this
Committee hearing that many child care centers, those that are
your mom-and-pop local child care centers who are either for-profit
or 501(c) status, also qualify today for the PPP program under the
current eligibility of the program.
You know, I think the plan that, you know, my colleagues on the
other side of the aisle to expand 501(c) status to all 501(c)(3)s ex-
cept for 501(c)(4)s, I think is a bridge too far. I think what the
Committee should have to remember and understand is that when
you bring in these frankly massive nonprofit organizations, like the
Planned Parenthood, who yes, they might have employees under
500 at one location, but in mass that organization has over 16,000
employees and annual funding exceeding $1.64 billion. I think it is
important for the Committee to remember not too long ago that
when you had companies like Steak Shack who were trying to take
advantage of PPP, it was roundly frowned upon because of the size
of those organizations. And I think it is important for the Com-
mittee to recognize that we should be doing the same here, staying
focused on small businesses, being focused on small organizations
and nonprofit organizations like community child care centers who
are nonprofit or maybe for-profit, like the nonprofits who are our
American Legions and things of that nature.
It is also important to recognize that the current bill language
allows for digital news organizations to be a part of a PPP pro-
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gram. I do not think it is wise at this point that we should expand
eligibility to those organizations considering that fact that even to
this Committee we can all clearly understand that the bowl of our
small businesses are small restaurants, are small bars, or the ones
who are truly, truly in need at this time due to local regulation,
quite frankly, in a lot of our municipalities.
This is why I am offering this amendment. The amendment will
strike the provision to expand PPP eligibility and waive SBA affili-
ation rules. We cannot continue to fund a politicized bailout that
is masked under the guise of COVID-19 relief. It is time for state
and local government to let these businesses fully reopen, to let the
market do what it does best, and that allows companies to earn
money, as well as nonprofits to be able to get the resources they
need through market organization that does not allow the state
and local governments that continuously keep them locked down.
The American taxpayer and future generations are the ones who
have to carry the brunt of reckless legislation, excuse me, like this
unwarranted expansion.
I would also like to further add in closing that it was said before,
I think it was Representative Meuser’s amendment, that expand-
ing, giving more flexibility to small businesses, that there were no
fiscals assigned to that. I would add that if we do not, if we adopt
my amendment and do not do a massive expansion of eligibility,
there is probably more than enough financial flexibility to actually
adopt the Meuser amendment and to be able to help a lot of these
small businesses who truly need access to capital as quickly as
they can so they keep their selves afloat.
That is the amendment, Madam Chair, I yield back the rest of
my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Would
further Members pleased to be recognized on the amendment?
Ms. CHU. Yes, Madam Chair, this is Judy Chu and I want to
move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady from California, Ms.
Chu, is recognized for 5 minutes.
Ms. CHU. Madam Chair, I urge a strong no vote on this amend-
ment, which will hurt certain nonprofits, such as labor unions, by
excluding them from obtaining PPP loans. It would reverse some-
thing that is a great step forward in the COVID, and that is allow-
ing all nonprofits to obtain PPP loans outside of T4s, including
labor intensive nonprofit organizations with multiple organizations
like local chapters of the YMCA and Goodwill.
The nonprofit workforce, which is the third largest workforce in
our economy, has already lost 930,000 jobs over the course of the
pandemic, which is a 7.4 percent decline. But nonprofits have re-
ceived far less support than other industries. In fact, we know that
allowing nonprofits to participate in PPP is successful. That is why
eligibility for nonprofits has only expanded since the program was
created last year. Deliberately excluding certain nonprofits from
PPP is not only unfair, it will be harmful to our economy by put-
ting millions more workers at risk of unemployment. And it would
deprive the countless Americans who rely on these organizations
for services.
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By expanding PPP to all 501(c) nonprofits, 501(c)(5) labor unions
will also be eligible for assistance. Millions of American workers
represented by these nonprofit labor unions and their employees
are facing the same economic distress as those of other organiza-
tions.
But 501(c) types also include farm bureaus, cattle associations,
outdoor associations, and groups that support world economy. And
they will be hurt by this amendment. In December, Congress ex-
tended PPP to the 501(c)(6) nonprofits like trade associations and
Chambers of Commerce that represent groups of businesses. This
same treatment should be extended to the organizations that rep-
resent all groups of workers.
Labor unions and their Members will play a critical role in the
long-term economic recovery. This measure gives them economic se-
curity to survive the crises and continue advocating for workers.
This is in light of the fact that this pandemic has been disastrous
for workers. But despite since losing over 300,000 Members at the
start of this crisis, the share of American workers who are Mem-
bers of a union slightly rose. That is because nonunion workers
have lost their jobs at a higher rate than unionized workers dem-
onstrates the incredible importance of worker representation.
And by excluding organizations like Planned Parenthood, YMCA,
and Goodwill that have multiple locations, my Republican col-
leagues are willing to leave Americans without support for the non-
profits that provide up-to-date information as well as resources on
the pandemic meant to help assistance with the depressed and iso-
lated communities and for the millions suffering from food insecu-
rity or childcare for the essential workers. We cannot afford to let
these organizations fail. We can, however, afford to include them
in this program. We cannot let partisan politics pit small busi-
nesses against workers and nonprofits. Extending PPP to all non-
profit organizations is simply the right thing to do. We cannot im-
peril the economic recovery for millions of Americans just because
they work for nonprofit organizations that Republicans oppose on
ideological grounds.
I urge my colleagues to vote no on this harmful amendment. And
I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
I also want to ask my colleagues to vote no on this amendment.
And I just want to say, look, when you go home to your districts,
look at who are the organizations that are helping us and that are
helping the communities that are suffering, are the small business,
are the not-for-profits. The bottom line is that all these group cre-
ate jobs and add value in our communities, and therefore need our
support right now.
Nonprofit organizations provide a number of crucial services that
are needed more now than ever, where there is public health re-
sources and education that provide up-to-date information on the
pandemic, mental health assistance for the depressed and isolated,
community food banks for the millions suffering from food insecu-
rity, or childcare for the essential workers. This is not the time to
pick winners and losers. They have been left behind in the last re-
lief package that we passed, and it is our duty to make sure that
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we protect workers in America, and there is no doubt in my mind
that many of these not-for-profit not only are providing an impor-
tant service to our communities, but are also creating jobs.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on this amendment?
There being none, the question is on the amendment by the gen-
tleman from Florida. I ask all Members attending virtually to
please unmute yourself for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair the noes have it, the amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. DONALDS. Madam Chair, I just wanted to request a re-
corded vote on the amendment.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote, and pursuant to previous comments, that will be rolled
until the end.
Pursuant to Committee rule 13 and House rule XI further pro-
ceedings on the amendment are postponed.
We will now consider the Fitzgerald first amendment. For what
purpose does the gentleman from Wisconsin seek recognition?
Mr. FITZGERALD. As you know, Chair, I have an amendment
at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 1v1 to the Amendment.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentleman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Mr. FITZGERALD. Thank you, Madam Chair. This amendment
is pretty simple. It just directs the administrator of the Small Busi-
ness Administration to submit a report to Congress on the impact
and increase in the Federal minimum wage to $15 per hour would
have on small business. And you might ask why. And it is because
I think this debate discussion in and around the increase in the
minimum wage has not always been couched under the idea that
we are in a global pandemic and what the impact might be on
many, many of these small businesses that are currently hurting.
There are also questions about the Byrd Rule and reconciliation
whether it is appropriate for the increase in minimum wage. And
then many of you may have seen that the Congressional Budget
Office projected 1.4 million jobs would be lost if there was a $15
increase in the minimum wage. So, Madam Chair, it doesn’t make
much sense I think at this point to move forward with that provi-
sion.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on this amendment? The gen-
tleman from Minnesota, Mr. Phillips.
Mr. PHILLIPS. Madam Chair, I move to strike the last word.
While I oppose this amendment at this time, I do wish to thank
my colleague from Wisconsin for offering it. In fact, like many on
this Committee, I share many of his concerns. I believe deeply, very
deeply, in living wages for all working Americans, and often say
that consumption is the engine of our economy and money in peo-
ples’ pockets is its fuel. In fact, the small business that my family
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and I own already pays a $15 minimum wage. Not because the law
requires it, rather because it is a principle in which we deeply be-
lieve. The fact that a single mother in America can work a 40-hour
week at a $7.25 minimum wage and live below the poverty line is
as appalling as it is embarrassing to our nation. Congress must ad-
dress this injustice just as it must meet the moment during the
worst pandemic of our lifetimes and one of the most challenging
economic crises of our lifetimes.
However, I am troubled that we are adding the minimum wage
policy to this COVID relief package through reconciliation. In fact,
I was shocked to learn how few small business owners, the very
people that this Committee is entrusted with representing, how few
were consulted as this legislation was being drafted. And I am will-
ing to wager that there is not a single Member of this Committee
who is not receiving communications from local business owners
concerned about the implications of this policy on the very viability
of their enterprises.
Just days ago I heard from Ken, the owner of the original Pan-
cake House, one of my favorite restaurants in Plymouth, Min-
nesota. Like so many businesses which rely on public gatherings to
succeed, he is barely hanging on. His restaurant, like all res-
taurants, runs on thin margins even during the best of times. And
Ken is deeply concerned that a $15 minimum wage will mean that
he will have to cut jobs if he hopes to stay open. Now I trust that
we all agree that representation begins with listening and we
should afford small business owners, just like Ken, the opportunity
to be heard before we proceed with the implementation of such a
transformative policy.
According to the CBO, the policy, as written, will likely raise
wages for 27 million Americans, raise almost a million Americans
out of poverty, and increase aggregate wages by over $300 billion
over 10 years. All of those are outstanding outcomes. But if that
is at the expense of 1.4 million lost jobs, and the likelihood of many
thousands of business closures as the CBO and economists antici-
pate, we should investigate, we should deliberate, and we should
ultimately implement a mitigating policy that addresses those un-
acceptable and very preventable consequences.
While we cannot accept this amendment because it does not meet
the Senate parliamentary requirements relative to reconciliation, I
do believe it is an important issue for businesses and employees
that warrants a more robust discussion and deliberation in this
body. So to that end, as my first order of business as the Chair of
the Oversight and Investigation Subcommittee, I intend to invite
American small businesses to come before our Committee to dis-
cuss the $15 minimum wage proposal, its impact on their busi-
nesses, and how we might accomplish the trifecta of livable wages,
more jobs, and thriving small businesses. They are not mutually
exclusive objectives in my estimation, and I believe we can accom-
plish it if we simply commit to working together with intention and
bipartisanship.
So in closing, I would like to invite my colleague from Wisconsin
to join me at that hearing and to work with me following this
markup in sending a letter to the GAO requesting a study on the
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impact of a $15 Federal minimum wage on small businesses
throughout our country. And with that, Madam Chair, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, the Ranking Member wish-
es to be recognized.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair. The gentleman
is making a point here with regards to the minimum wage that,
you know, it is a very controversial issue, it doesn’t need to be in
this bill, number one, probably not going to be in it, probably get
kicked out when it gets to the Senate. But, you know, number one,
to have the wage set at a Federal level takes away the local folks’
ability to be able to set the wage. The wages are different in New
York than in my hometown here of 336 people, and from state to
state. I think we need to understand that an across the board blan-
ket $15 an hour minimum wage does not really play well in dif-
ferent areas around the country where it actually probably makes
sense in others.
The NFIB filed a report just last week and in that report it said
it would cost 1.6 million jobs and cost $2 trillion to our economy.
In the January 26 Roll Call Magazine there is an article there. It
says just one more blow. And down below it says, ‘‘The restaurant
industry, already wracked by COVIC 19, now faces a minimum
wage hike.’’ This is a headline in this paper. Everybody is talking
about concern about restaurants and here you have it even in the
Washington papers about the fact the minimum wage is a wage de-
stroyer, it is a small business knife in the back. I am very con-
cerned about this. I think the gentleman has done a good job with
his amendment, I certainly support it, and I ask the Committee to
support it was well.
With that I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. GARBARINO. Madam Chairwoman, it is Mr. Garbarino of
New York.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is seeking recognition
for? To strike the last word?
Mr. GARBARINO. To strike last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. GARBARINO. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. And I just
want to continue. I am from New York, as I said, and the state leg-
islature here has increased the minimum wage. We voted a couple
years ago and it will be up to $15 next year. However, when it was
first increased something I heard not just from small businesses
but from local governments, municipalities, towns, and cities that
rely on summer employment of students, both high school and col-
lege students, to work at the parks, to clean the downtowns for
summer jobs, to be lifeguards at the local town beaches, and when
the minimum wage was increased in New York, the town, in order
to comply with that, had to raise taxes. They couldn’t cut the jobs
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because the parks still needed to be cleaned, they still need to be
maintained, the beaches still needed to be watched or they would
be shut down. So instead of shutting down services, the local mu-
nicipalities had to raise taxes.
And those taxes, the real property taxes, were just another in-
crease on small businesses. So small businesses are not just going
to have to deal with paying their employees more, whether it is a
part-time employee student or someone who comes home from col-
lege or someone who has a full-time job and they are just looking
for a second job on the weekend, they also have to deal with paying
higher costs like taxes. The effects on small businesses is not just
increase in their salaries, but also increase in other costs. And I
think that needs to be included as well. So that is why I believe
this amendment should be passed. I support my colleague because
there are a lot of different costs that will affect small businesses
here.
Thank you, and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment? I am going to recognize my-
self in opposition to this amendment.
Today’s minimum wage is $7.25 an hour, which equates to a lit-
tle over $15,000 a year. Let me repeat that, $15,000 a year. Just
a reminder, the minimum wage was last raised in 2009. Since
2010, home prices and rent have both risen over 30 percent. Min-
imum wage stayed the same. Since 2010, higher education has
risen by nearly 40 percent, minimum wage stuck at $7.25. A gallon
of milk, $2.69 in 2009 versus $4.12 in 2020. We all like a good
hamburger, 3.99 in 2009 versus 5.24 in 2020. You guessed it, min-
imum wage is still $7.25.
As it currently stands, the minimum wage cannot pay for a two-
bedroom apartment anywhere in the United States. If rent can go
up every year, so can the minimum wage. The real value of the
minimum wage today has been eroded since 2010.
And let me say this. This is also an issue where time and again
Republicans prove themselves out of touch with the American peo-
ple. In Florida they say that Donald Trump won last year. The
minimum wage passed with nearly 61 percent of the vote. It is pop-
ular everywhere because it is the right thing to do. In fact, 20
states increased their minimum wage starting in 2021, yet during
the pandemic, because those states realized from line essential
workers that are keeping us safe in hospitals, cleaning our build-
ings, and stocking our grocery shelves, deserve a raise. Even in the
Ranking Member’s home state of Missouri the minimum wage was
raised to 10.35. That is higher than the 2021 increase to 9.50 under
the Raise the Wage Act. The states are our laboratory of democ-
racy, then the Federal Government should follow states like Alas-
ka, Florida, and Ohio in supporting low-income workers.
With that I yield back. And if there is any further debate on the
amendment?
Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentleman
from Wisconsin. I ask all Members attending virtually to please
unmute yourself for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, no.
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In the opinion of the Chair the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
We will now consider the Salazar amendment, first amendment.
For what purpose does the gentlewoman from Florida seek recogni-
tion?
Ms. SALAZAR. Madam Chairman, I have an amendment at the
desk, Amendment Number 17.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 1v1, City of——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentlewoman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Ms. SALAZAR. Thank you, Madam Chairman. The amendment
that I am proposing would delay payments on economic injury dis-
aster loans that are called as EIDL provided in response to the
coronavirus for 1 year. Now we want to make it 2 years. This ex-
tension will allow small businesses who are still struggling with
the economic hardships of the coronavirus to further recover before
beginning to pay that initial loan that was given to them a year
ago.
As you know, EIDL is designed to provide small businesses with
operating funds until they recover from disasters. In the past this
has been used after floods or hurricanes, which are all very famil-
iar in my district, South Florida. While the effects of the disasters
can be months and even years, usually the disaster itself only lasts
a few days or a few hours, like a hurricane. But Hurricane COVID
has been here for almost 365 days, something that is completely
unusual and completely out of order.
Because of this unique situation, I am proposing to extend the
start of the loan repayment for 1 additional year. Just yesterday
I went to Little Havana to a store where they used to sell clothes
for 30 years, very well established, and they have one very big
problem: COVID is still here. They are not selling, and they cannot
start paying for the EIDL loan repayment. They were just notified,
though, that they have to start paying that loan this April. But as
you know, we are still in the pandemic.
So I am sure you agree that this is not correct, and countless oth-
ers, not only in South Florida, but all across the country, small
businesses cannot start dishing out money to be paying for a loan
that was given to them by the Federal Government. I believe that
this additional flexibility provides more time for businesses like
this store that I visited yesterday, to recover before they are due
or they need to make their first payments.
I urge my colleagues to support this amendment. And I yield
back the balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment? I will recognize
myself in opposition to the amendment.
The amendment is problematic because it will raise costs on the
program for a period of time exceeding the 10-year period. An in-
crease in cost is a violation of the Reconciliation Rule. But this is
well intended effort to ease burdens on the small businesses; this,
unfortunately, is not the appropriate vehicle for it.
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I will, therefore, encourage my colleagues to vote no on this
amendment. But I would also like to say to the gentlelady from
Florida, let us keep working on ideas like this to help the small
business going forward.
And with that I ask——
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Yes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Ranking Member asks to be recognized.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Move to strike the last word. Thank you.
I want to move in support of the gentlelady’s amendment. This
is something I think if you look at both of our COVID package
bills, the one that passed in March, the one that passed in Decem-
ber, there is the extension of the Troubled Debt Restructuring Rule
as well as SESA Rule that allows for some forbearance. The last
bill actually allows forbearance on those two things until the end
of the year. So we all recognized in both packages the fact that be-
cause of this pandemic people are struggling to be able to meet
their obligations and that because of this unusual nature, this is
not like a situation where a hurricane comes in and blasts every-
thing and you are going to be out of business and have hard times
in backup and money because you have no business anymore. This
is a situation where once the pandemic passes and we have seen
this in different states where once their lockdown stops, businesses
get back engaged. The customers become engaged and suddenly,
the economy takes off and businesses take off. It is a matter of get-
ting some forbearance by the regulators to the banks and credit
unions and in this situation, we are talking about the EIDL loans
so that they can give forbearance to the customers so they have
time to work through this.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. This is very important because if you——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Yes, I would be glad to yield.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. I look forward to working with you,
to hold hearings on this program, gather input from our constitu-
ents and stakeholders, and consider a change like this under reg-
ular order. But for today’s purposes and on the reconciliation in-
structions, which we are operating under, I must urge a no vote on
this amendment, but I am looking forward to working with you.
And I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Yeah, reclaim my time. I look forward
with you, Madam Chair, because this is an issue that you and I
have talked about this a lot on our other Committee as well as now
we are talking about it on this Committee. This forbearance is a
really, really big deal and I think if we can’t accept this amend-
ment today, I think that Ms. Salazar certainly has a good suspen-
sion bill here that we could put together for this Committee to be
able to accept because I think it is something that is desperately
needed. As she indicated, you know, the first year runs out already
in April here, so, we have got some folks that are still struggling
that are really going to be hurt by the—and tied up by the rules
that we have. So, with that I certainly ask for a vote of yes on this
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and a vote of support. I understand your position, but with that,
I yield back. Thank you.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Ms. SALAZAR. Will the gentleman yield for a few more words?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Time expired. Time has expired un-
less we could get someone, another Member to ask for—strike the
last word and yield to you.
Mr. MEUSER. Madam Chair, I ask to strike the last word and
yield to the Congresswoman.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. May I ask who is asking for time?
Mr. MEUSER. I am sorry. This is Representative Dan Meuser.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Okay. The gentleman is recognized
for 5 minutes and he is yielding time to the gentlelady from Flor-
ida.
Ms. SALAZAR. Madam Chairman Velázquez, thank you very
much. I just have one question. So, what are we going to say to
those people that owe that loan payment April 1st? That when I
was representing them in Small Business Committee, they were
telling me that, well, you, Madam Chairman, you said to us that
we needed to consider this at another time and because of reconcili-
ation, most people do not understand what that means. They do
know that they have to pay the loan April 1st.
So I would like you to please tell me what other words that I
need to use so I can go back tomorrow and tell them that it is that
we are going to do this at another time. Because another time, they
still owe it.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Well, the issue here is that there are
instructions and this amendment will violate the Byrd rule and,
therefore, we cannot do it at this time. But there are EIDL grants
that are in this package. There is nothing that will prevent and
that provides flexibility as to the use of that money. So, there are
other options that individuals in that position could look at that
could be helpful to them while we will follow regular order and con-
sider a standalone deal.
Is there any further debate on the amendment? Seeing none——
Ms. DAVIDS. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Oh, who is seeking recognition?
Ms. DAVIDS. Davids from Kansas.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Ms. Davids is recognized for 5 min-
utes.
Ms. DAVIDS. Thank you, Chairwoman. I will keep it brief. I just
wanted to express my desire and willingness to work with the both
of you on moving this forward in regular order, post reconciliation
process. I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you. The gentlelady yields
back. Is there any further debate on the amendment? Seeing none,
the question is on the amendment by the gentlelady from Florida.
I ask all Members, please unmute yourself for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye?
All those opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
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We will now consider the Salazar second amendment. For what
purpose does the gentlelady from Florida seek recognition?
Ms. SALAZAR. I have an amendment at the desk, Amendment
Number 18.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, the Clerk will re-
port the amendment.
The CLERK. Amendment 2v1——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentlewoman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Ms. SALAZAR. Thank you, Madam Chairman Velázquez. The
amendment is simple. It adds only two words to the section about
the community navigator pilot program. It specifically adds the
words ‘‘entrepreneurial counsel’’ to the description of what the com-
munity navigator pilot program should do. This crucial program
will provide technical and educational support to business owners
who currently lack access to adequate COVID relief resources.
By adding the term ‘‘entrepreneurial counsel’’ to the list of serv-
ices provided by the program, we would ensure that businesses
have access to more than just basic support. Entrepreneurial coun-
sel could include any kind of counseling, assistance, or business
support that helps small businesses make decisions impacting eco-
nomic growth. By adding these two simple words, we are able to
provide the practical skills that small businesses in our country
need to grow and to thrive, not only to maintain.
By adding these two simple words, this particular critical—it is
particularly critical for our low-income and underserved minority
communities where you and I belong to and come from, who have
suffered the most, as you know and you have said it during this
hearing, from the pandemic. We know that our constituents will
benefit tremendously from services like entrepreneurial counseling,
which is going to be a critical part of the Prosperity Center I am
opening in District Number 27, an integral part of my congres-
sional office services down here in Miami. This is the type of assist-
ance that I would love for my constituents to have available to
them, entrepreneurial counsel.
I thank you for this time and I yield back my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on this amendment?
Mr. CROW. Madam Chair, Jason Crow. I would like to claim
time in opposition.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. CROW. Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to speak
briefly in opposition to the amendment. And while I appreciate my
colleague, Ms. Salazar’s spirit of this and I think there is definitely
something that we can do to work on this through this Committee
in the months and years ahead. You know, as the Chairman of the
Subcommittee on Innovation Entrepreneurship and Workforce De-
velopment, what I know here is that this language that would be
amended comes out of Section 6004 which actually already covers
the services that would be covered under the language that you are
adding. So, it could be duplicative because the 6004 language, ex-
isting language, actually describes in detail the community navi-
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gator services that are included, which include outreach, education,
and technical assistance. So, we already covered the issues that
would be covered under the addition of your two words.
That said, you know, the problem here is, again, one of imple-
mentation and what the intent of this package is. This package is
trying to deliver relief rapidly and effectively to small businesses.
And if were to add these two words, which, again, are already cov-
ered by existing language in the services provided under the com-
munity navigator program, it would actually make implementation
harder, slow that process down, and adversely impact the very
same businesses and harm then that we are trying to save.
So, you know, my promise to you is to continue this conversation.
I would like to talk more about what we can do to address your
concerns and whether we need to expand that language in the
months and years ahead. We will have some hearings where we
will be able to have that discussion and call some witnesses. But
with respect to this package, it would actually create some harm
by slowing the process down in a way that we already have been
covered.
So, with that, I will again urge my colleagues to oppose the
amendment and I appreciate the time and, Madam Chair, I yield
back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you. The gentleman yields
back. Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Is there any further debate on the amendment? Hearing none, the
question is on the amendment by the gentlelady from Florida.
I ask all Members to please unmute yourself for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye?
All opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
We will now consider Stauber second amendment. First?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber number 2.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Number 2. For what purpose does
the gentleman from Minnesota seek recognition?
Mr. STAUBER. Chairwoman Velázquez, I have an amendment
at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 2v1 to the Amendment to the Com-
mittee print offered by Mr. Stauber of Minnesota.
Mr. STAUBER. Your Honor——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Objection for the reading of the
amendment will be dispensed with. The gentleman is recognized
for 5 minutes.
Mr. STAUBER. Well, thank you, Chairwoman Velázquez and
Ranking Member Luetkemeyer. You know, I raise to all of you
something that has really troubled me for a long time. You know,
back in August of 2020, then Presidential candidate Joe Biden stat-
ed in an interview with ABC that he would in quote, ‘‘shut it
down,’’ meaning shut the economy down if he believed the COVID
situation called for it.
As Minnesota small businesses struggle with a governor who
seems hell bent on retaining control over their livelihoods by keep-
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ing his emergency powers, I am worried now that my constituents
will have to deal with a President who is going to unilaterally add
more Federal restrictions and mandates, ultimately, closing up
mom-and-pop shops for good. We simply cannot afford the shut-
downs that President Biden is threatening us with. A top-down ap-
proach has never been wise and I hardly think it is fair to subject
New York City with a population of 8.4 million to the same
COVID-19 restrictions as in Ely, Minnesota, with a population of
3,500.
My amendment requires the SBA to issue a report on the impact
on small businesses if there is a COVID-19 related Federal man-
date in place that would otherwise restrict or prevent any small
business from operating at normal capacity. And I urge my support
of this amendment so we can understand just how devastating a
Biden Federal shutdown would be on our small businesses across
this nation. Madam Chair, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Madam Chair, I seek recognition to claim time
in opposition to the amendment.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Ms. Houlahan?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Yes, ma’am.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Yes. I am sorry. I just can’t see from
here.
Ms. HOULAHAN. No problem.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. So, the gentlelady is recognized. For
what? You have an amendment at the desk?
Ms. HOULAHAN. I seek actually recognition to claim time in op-
position to the amendment.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Yes, the gentlelady is recognized for
5 minutes.
Ms. HOULAHAN. I really appreciate very much Mr. Stauber and
I very much thank him for his amendment. I value him personally
and his commitment to bipartisan work. Unfortunately and re-
spectfully, this amendment that he has offered would violate the
Byrd rule in the Senate. The reconciliation package that we are ad-
dressing right now is not the proper vehicle for this kind of amend-
ment right now.
As a result, I am opposed to this amendment and I urge my col-
leagues to oppose it as well.
With that being said, the issue isn’t that businesses are being
impacted by public safety members—measures. It is, in fact, that
too many American consumers at this point don’t feel safe to return
to a sense of normalcy.
According to one survey, 64 percent of people are not currently
engaged in normal out-of-home activities at this point in time.
So, in sum, we cannot lose sight of our main and immediate focus
right now and this evening, which is providing economic relief to
the underserved and the hardest hit communities, and providing it
quickly. To accomplish that, we are limited by strict budgetary re-
straints in this process and at this point by the Byrd rule.
And while I oppose this amendment, I assure you, Mr. Stauber,
that I would love to work with you to send a letter to the SBA to
ensure that your concerns are being addressed. So, I would encour-
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age my colleagues to reject this amendment, and with that, I yield
back, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam, this is Ranking Member. I asked
to be recognized.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you. Strike the last word. I appre-
ciate the gentleman’s amendment here. I think this is extremely
important that we understand the effect of the lockdowns, the ef-
fect of trying to mandate certain things to happen. I know that
there has been this discussion of the Byrd rule several times this
evening and today. And it is unfortunate because I think we are
hiding behind it to a certain extent.
I think we need to allow some of these things to go on and let
the Senate make the decision. If they want to throw it out, that is
fine, but this is good policy. This is good legislation. This is a good
way to look at revenues, to see once how these actions of bureau-
crats affect the revenues and the economy that we are talking
about here. I think it all works together. I do not think—you know,
I think we could make a good case that it goes around the Byrd
rule, but I think hiding behind it as we have is very disappointing.
You know, when you talk about lockdowns, we already have a lot
of case studies here that shows when you take the shackles off, the
economy can blossom.
I can use my own state, State of Missouri, where the lockdown
was taken off in mid-May. We wound up with a 5 percent increase
in revenues for the year in Missouri in 2020 over 2019. We now
have a 4.4 percent unemployment rate and we have 200,000 jobs
that are looking for somebody to fill them. So, we can walk and
chew gum at the same time and those individuals who are political
leaders in their different states, as well as other cities and coun-
ties, all they have to do is look across the country or across the
state next door to them and see how this can be done.
And I think, what the gentleman’s amendment is trying to do is
point this out, that this can be done and there is certainly an effect
to the lockdowns when you have one state that is locked down and
their economy is still in the tank and the state next to them is
open and they are going great guns. I think those are things that
we need to be looking at. And, quite frankly, if again, Madam
Chair and the gentle Ms. Houlahan here also indicate that they
kind of like this amendment, maybe Mr. Stauber could offer this
as a suspension bill very shortly here because it is just simply ask-
ing the SBA to actually do what they are supposed to be doing. So,
I support the amendment and ask for its adoption, and with that,
Madam Chair, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back and I rec-
ognize myself in opposition to the amendment.
In August 21, 2020, it was then candidate Joe Biden. Today,
President Joe Biden is saying that he wants to see the schools in
our country to reopen. But we cannot look at this issue in terms
of the shutdown isolated. We all know that unless we crush the
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virus, people will not feel safe to go walk into a restaurant and
walk into a mall.
The Federal Research Chairman Powell recently testified, and I
quote, ‘‘A full economic recovery is unlikely until people are con-
fident that it is safe to reengage in a broad range of activities and
that the key to recovery is to keep the virus in check.’’
So, this amendment violates the Byrd rule and for that reason,
we are asking a no vote.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentleman
from Minnesota. I ask all Members to please unmute yourself for
the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
We will now consider the Stauber amendment. For what purpose
does the gentleman from Minnesota seek recognition?
Mr. STAUBER. Chairwoman Velázquez, I have an amendment
at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 1v1 to the amendment to the Com-
mittee print offered by Mr. Stauber.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Mr. Stauber is recognized for 5 min-
utes.
Mr. STAUBER. Thank you, Chairwoman Velázquez and Ranking
Member Luetkemeyer. You know, as President Biden gave his in-
augural address about unity, on his first day in office he made a
heartless decision to take away more jobs in the middle of an eco-
nomic crisis by revoking the Keystone XL pipeline permits just
hours later. Now, when President revoked those permits, he not
only destroyed the livelihoods of those who worked on the pipeline,
but the small business community who supported them as well.
Motels that hosted the workers, restaurants that fed the workers,
retail stores that supplied the workers all crushed in the blink of
an eye by the President’s Executive Order decision.
My amendment simply will require the Small Business Adminis-
tration to report on the effects of revoking these permits on small
businesses. My amendment will make sure under no uncertain
terms the President understands the damage and devastation he
has caused with his decision.
And I urge support for my amendment and I ask to keep in mind
the thousands of small business owners and their families who are
now facing very grave and uncertain financial futures due to this
Executive Order. Thank you, Madam Chair, and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment? I will recognize
myself for—in opposition to the amendment.
So, let me say that we, as a nation, we have an abiding commit-
ment to promote and protect our public health and the environ-
ment, to empower our workers and communities. We listen to the
science; work to improve public health; and protect our environ-
ment to ensure access to clean air and water; to limit exposure to
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dangerous chemicals and pesticides; to hold polluters accountable,
including those who disproportionately harm communities of color
and low-income communities; and to reduce greenhouse gas emis-
sions and support resiliency to the impacts of climate change.
Following exhaustive reviews by Federal agencies, it is clear that
the proposed Keystone XL pipeline does not serve the U.S. national
interests and will not provide significant energy security and eco-
nomic benefits.
As outlined by President Biden, we must focus on prioritizing the
development of a clean energy economy which will, in turn, create
good jobs around the country. The United States and the world face
a climate crisis. That crisis must be met with action to avoid set-
ting the world on a dangerous, potentially catastrophic climate tra-
jectory.
We must combat the crisis with an ambitious plan to build back
better, focusing on reducing harmful emissions and creating good,
clean energies. In addition to the ongoing climate crisis, we are in
the midst of a national pandemic that has decimated small busi-
nesses in every congressional district across the country. Today, we
must act decisively and enact legislation that provides immediate
economic relief to small businesses and ensure that the SBA has
the capacity to address this issue.
Also, this amendment violates the Byrd rule in the Senate. And
with the reasons that I also explained, I am asking for the no vote.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is the Ranking Mem-
ber. I ask to be recognized.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. For what purpose is the gentleman
seeking recognition?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to
yield some additional time to the sponsor of the amendment, Mr.
Stauber from Minnesota.
Mr. STAUBER. Thank you. Thank you, Ranking Member
Luetkemeyer. Madam Chairwoman, I do appreciate your comments
reference my amendment, but let us talk about the jobs, the good
paying jobs that were removed, thousands and thousands of good
paying jobs. These jobs were going to be done by our union friends
under project labor agreements and Davis-Bacon prevailing wage.
Over $3.8 billion was struck out of our economy because of an Ex-
ecutive Order. These were American jobs. These were my friends
that were going to work on this. We have to retain energy inde-
pendence so we do not rely on OPEC nations anymore. We have
been involved in wars over energy, oil, and gas.
Today, Madam Chair, or rather tonight, it is almost 30 below 0
in Northern Minnesota. We are heating our homes with natural
gas and oil to stay warm and our middle class and lower class fam-
ilies today have energy that they can afford. The Keystone pipeline
was vetted, one of the most vetted projects in America. Our neigh-
bors and allies and good friends from the North, our Canadian
friends are disappointed, extremely disappointed at this Executive
Order.
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This pipeline meets the EPA standards and the labor standards
that we set forth and that the world tries to strive for. Madam
Chair, with all due respect, this line goes through small commu-
nities from 300 people to 3,000 people. The expectation and the
preparedness for those workers to be in those respective commu-
nities, to help the small businesses and help their economy grow,
they were looking forward to that.
My amendment simply says what was the devastation? And I re-
spectfully yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentleman
from Minnesota.
I ask all Members to please unmute yourself for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye?
All those opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair, I request a recorded vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. Is there a sufficient second?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. [Nonverbal response]
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. There is a sufficient second. A roll
call vote is ordered pursuant to Committee rule 13 and House rule
XI, further proceedings on the amendment are postponed.
We will now consider the Hagedorn first amendment. For what
purpose does the gentleman from Minnesota seek recognition?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Madam Chair, I have an amendment at the
desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will record the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment 1v1——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection further reading on
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentleman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Mr. HAGEDORN. I appreciate that, Madam Chair. I won’t take
the 5 minutes.
My amendment does something very simple. It allows farmers
and ranchers categorized as partnerships, such as LLCs, to con-
sider gross income when applying for Paycheck Protection Program
loans. You know, currently, SBA only allows agricultural partner-
ships to consider their net income and by opening up to gross in-
come, more farmers and producers can receive maximum PPP
loans. I have heard from all sorts of producers in Minnesota, corn
growers, pork producers, soybean growers, Farm Bureau Members,
sugar beet growers, it does not matter and across the country. The
farmers are really in need of this. They have been through a lot
in COVID. We should open this up to get them whatever kind of
things that we can in order to help sustain their operations.
And with that, I would ask for consideration and support for the
amendment. Thank you very much.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
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Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is the Ranking Mem-
ber. I asked to be recognized.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. For what purpose does the gen-
tleman from Missouri seek recognition?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you. I will be very brief. This is the
last amendment we have got. We are all ready to lock the doors
on all this, but I think this is an amendment that is truly some-
thing that I think you need. It is bipartisan. Everybody can get be-
hind this.
Every single farmer, if you go talk to him, this is an issue, to fix
the PPP problem that they have with access to the loans because
of the way that they are structured with their farming operation.
And that is what this gentleman does. It is a very simple request
in what he is trying to do here, to be able to fix it and it is an
unforced error here. It is something that nobody realized at the
time they did it. It is something that in the past we have been able
to get the Treasury just to actually fix the glitch here on their own,
but they haven’t seen to do it yet. So, I think by us trying to do
it here, it certainly sets the stage for this to get done. I think the
gentleman has got a great amendment and I certainly urge its
adoption. With that, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Who seeks recognition?
Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair, Stauber, Minnesota 8.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is seeking recognition
to speak on the amendment, to strike the last word?
Mr. STAUBER. Yes, I would like to strike the last word, Madam
Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair, I would just like to say a few
words. I would like to thank my friend and colleague, Congressman
Hagedorn, for offering this important amendment. This amend-
ment will allow for more of our farmers and ranchers to access the
maximum PPP loan amount. The challenges that the farmers and
ranchers face have only been exacerbated by this COVID-19 crisis.
So, I am happy to support my colleague in his call for more relief
for the men and women who work hard to put food on our tables.
And Madam Chair, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair, I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. MFUME. Thank you, Madam Chair, and I will not use all
the time. I think that this is a well-intentioned amendment. I have
a real serious concern, however, as to whether it will ever make it
to the final bill because I think it violates the germaneness rule.
And because it has in it tax policy which brings about tax implica-
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tions, it would probably be better taken up by the Ways and Means
Committee. I think that we are moving into an area over which
this Committee may not have real jurisdiction.
So, it is not to question the intention of the author or the inten-
tion of the amendment. It is just the question of whether or not it
will be deemed as germane and whether or not there are tax impli-
cations that this Committee cannot address because it doesn’t have
oversight. So, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment? I will recognize myself in
opposition to the amendment.
I share the concerns of my colleague, Mr. Hagedorn, regarding
America’s farmers and ranchers, and agree that they have been
particularly hard hit by the pandemic and resulting shifts in mar-
kets. As you know, Congress has provided additional relief for agri-
cultural businesses, including direct relief from USDA, and also en-
sured that agricultural businesses can take advantage. And by the
way, I work very hard with Congressman Antonio Delgado and the
former Ranking Member to allow for farmers to be able to access
both the PPP loans and EIDL.
We must remember that businesses can choose how they orga-
nize and register the business. Each type of business structure has
certain benefits and disadvantages. With that said, we are limited
by the Byrd rule. I will have to oppose the amendment at this time.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the gentleman
from Minnesota.
I ask to please unmute yourself for the roll call.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those oppose, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. HAGEDORN. Madam Chair, I request a recorded vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. Is there a sufficient second?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. [Nonverbal response]
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. There is a sufficient second. A roll
call vote is ordered pursuant to Committee rule 13 and House ule
XI. Further proceedings on the amendment are postponed.
Does any Member seek recognition to offer additional amend-
ments? Being none, the Committee stands in recess subject to the
call of the Chair.
[Recess]
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The Committee will come to order.
The Committee will now resume consideration of the amend-
ments on which roll call votes were requested and postponed. In
agreement with the Ranking Member and without objection, the
Committee will now consider end block number 1 which includes
the following seven amendments on which roll call votes were re-
quested and postponed.
Williams number 1 offered by the gentleman from Texas.
Garbarino number 1 offered by the gentleman from New York.
Garbarino number 2 offered by the gentleman from New York. Kim
number 1 offered by the gentlewoman from California. Donalds
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number 1 offered by the gentleman from Florida. Hagedorn number
1 offered by the gentleman from Minnesota. Stauber number 1 of-
fered by the gentleman from Minnesota. On end block number 1,
the clerk will call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes no. Mr. Crow?
Mr. CROW. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Crow votes no. Ms. Davids? Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Davids votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes no. Mr. Mfume?
Mr. MFUME. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Mfume votes no. Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes no. Ms. Newman?
Ms. NEWMAN. Newman votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Newman votes no. Ms. Bourdeaux?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. Bourdeaux votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Bourdeaux votes no. Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Chu votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes no. Mr. Evans?
Mr. EVANS. Mr. Evans votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Evans votes no. Mr. Delgado?
Mr. DELGADO. Delgado votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Delgado votes no. Ms. Houlahan?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Houlahan votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Houlahan votes no. Mr. Kim?
Mr. KIM. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Kim votes no. Ms. Craig?
Ms. CRAIG. Craig votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Craig votes no. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Luetkemeyer votes yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes aye. Mr. Williams?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Williams votes aye. Mr. Hagedorn?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Hagedorn votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Hagedorn votes aye. Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber votes yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes aye. Mr. Meuser?
[No response.]
The CLERK. Mr. Garbarino?
Mr. GARBARINO. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Garbarino votes aye. Ms. Kim?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Is that me, Young Kim?
The CLERK. Yes, Ms. Young Kim.
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Kim votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Kim votes aye. Ms. Van Duyne? Ms. Van
Duyne?
[No response.]
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds?
Mr. DONALDS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds says aye. Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Salazar votes yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye. Mr. Fitzgerald?
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Mr. FITZGERALD. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Fitzgerald votes aye. Ms. Velázquez?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Ms. Velázquez votes aye—or mo.
The CLERK. Ms. Velázquez votes no. Mr. Meuser?
[No response.]
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Is he on? The clerk will report the
tally.
Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Who seeks recognition?
Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair, Stauber from Minnesota. How am
I recorded?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk?
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber voted aye.
Mr. STAUBER. Thank you.
The CLERK. You are welcome. Madam Chairwoman, on this
vote, there were 9 ayes and 14 noes.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The end block amendment is not
agreed to.
The question now is on Luetkemeyer number 1, a substitute to
the amendment in the nature of a substitute offered by the gen-
tleman from Missouri. The clerk will call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes no. Mr. Crow?
Mr. CROW. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Crow votes no. Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Davids votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes no. Mr. Mfume?
Mr. MFUME. Mfume votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Mfume votes no. Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes no. Ms. Newman?
Ms. NEWMAN. Newman votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Newman votes no. Ms. Bourdeaux?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. Bourdeaux votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Bourdeaux votes no. Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Chu votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes no. Mr. Evans?
Mr. EVANS. Evans votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Evans votes no. Mr. Delgado?
Mr. DELGADO. Delgado votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Delgado votes no. Ms. Houlahan?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Houlahan votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Houlahan votes no. Mr. Kim?
Mr. KIM. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Kim votes no. Ms. Craig?
Ms. CRAIG. Craig votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Craig votes no. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Luetkemeyer aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes aye. Mr. Williams?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Williams says aye. Mr. Hagedorn?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Hagedorn votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Hagedorn votes aye. Mr. Stauber?
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Mr. STAUBER. Mr. Stauber votes yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes aye. Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes aye. Mr. Garbarino?
Mr. GARBARINO. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Garbarino votes aye. Ms. Kim?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Kim votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Kim votes aye. Ms. Van Duyne?
[No response.]
The CLERK. How does Ms. Van Duyne vote?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Kim voted aye.
The CLERK. Thank you. Mr. Donalds?
Mr. DONALDS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds votes aye. Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Salazar votes yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye. Mr. Fitzgerald?
Mr. FITZGERALD. Fitzgerald votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Fitzgerald says aye. Ms. Velázquez?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Velázquez votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Velázquez votes no. Ms. Van Duyne?
[No response.]
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the tally.
The CLERK. Madam Chairwoman, on this vote there were 10
ayes and 14 noes.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The amendment is not agreed to.
The question now occurs on the amendment in the nature of a
substitute.
All those in favor, say aye.
Those opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and the amend-
ments in the nature of a substitute is agreed to.
Mr. HAGEDORN. Madam Chair, can I have a recorded vote on
that, please? I call for a recorded vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. Is there a sufficient second?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. [Nonverbal response]
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. There is a sufficient second. A roll
call vote is ordered.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes no. Mr. Crow?
Mr. CROW. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Crow votes no. Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Davids votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes aye. Mr. Mfume?
Mr. MFUME. Mfume votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Mfume votes aye. Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes aye. Ms. Newman?
Ms. NEWMAN. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Newman votes aye. Ms. Bourdeaux?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. Bourdeaux votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Bourdeaux votes aye. Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Chu votes aye.
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The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes aye. Mr. Evans?
Mr. EVANS. Evans votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Evans votes aye. Mr. Delgado?
Mr. DELGADO. Delgado votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Delgado votes aye. Ms. Houlahan?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Houlahan votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Houlahan votes aye. Mr. Kim?
Mr. KIM. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Kim votes aye. Ms. Craig?
Ms. CRAIG. Craig votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Craig votes aye. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Luetkemeyer votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes no. Mr. Williams?
Mr. WILLIAMS. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Williams says no. Mr. Hagedorn?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Hagedorn votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Hagedorn votes no. Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes no. Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes no. Mr. Garbarino? Mr.
Garbarino?
Mr. GARBARINO. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Garbarino votes no. Ms. Kim?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Kim votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Kim votes no. Ms. Van Duyne?
[No response.]
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds?
Mr. DONALDS. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds votes no. Ms. Salazar? Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Yes. Salazar votes yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye. Mr. Fitzgerald?
Mr. FITZGERALD. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Fitzgerald votes aye. Ms. Velázquez?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Aye. Ms. Velázquez votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Velázquez votes aye. Ms. Van Duyne?
[No response.]
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Does anyone wish to change their
vote?
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair, to the clerk, how am I recorded?
The CLERK. Mr. Mfume voted aye.
Mr. MFUME. Thank you.
The CLERK. You are welcome.
Mr. CROW. Madam Chair, to the clerk, how am I recorded?
The CLERK. Mr. Crow voted no.
Mr. CROW. I would like to change my vote to aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Crow votes aye.
Mr. GOLDEN. Madam Chair, how am I recorded?
The CLERK. Mr. Golden voted no.
Mr. GOLDEN. Change that vote to aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes aye.
Mr. FITZGERALD. Clerk, I need to change my vote to no. Mr.
Fitzgerald.
The CLERK. Mr. Fitzgerald votes no.
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Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the tally.
Mr. HAGEDORN. Madam Chair, can we report the entire—can
I make a motion that we go ahead and report the entire roll as far
as their vote? Because I believe one or two Members were confused
on this one. Shall I make a motion that the clerk go through the
roll one more time and just explain where the vote is at this time
for each Member?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will call the vote or an-
nounce the vote of each individual Member.
The CLERK. Ms. Velázquez voted aye. Mr. Golden voted aye. Mr.
Crow voted aye. Ms. Davids voted aye. Mr. Mfume voted aye. Mr.
Phillips voted aye. Ms. Newman voted aye. Ms. Bourdeaux voted
aye. Ms. Chu voted aye. Mr. Evans voted aye. Mr. Delgado voted
aye. Ms. Houlahan voted aye. Mr. Kim voted aye. Ms. Craig voted
aye. Mr. Luetkemeyer voted no. Mr. Williams voted no. Mr.
Hagedorn voted no. Mr. Stauber voted no. Mr. Meuser voted no.
Mr. Garbarino voted no. Ms. Kim voted no. Mr. Van Duyne did not
vote. Mr. Donalds voted no. Ms. Salazar voted aye. Mr. Fitzgerald
voted no.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Again, does anyone wish to change
their vote, his or her vote?
The clerk will report the tally.
The CLERK. Madam Chairwoman, on this vote there were 15
ayes and 9 noes.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The ayes have it and the amendment
in the nature of a substitute is agreed to.
The question now occurs on the Committee print as amended.
All those in favor, say aye.
Those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and the Committee
print as amended is agreed to.
The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Maryland to make
a motion.
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair, I move that the Committee trans-
mit the Committee print as amended to the House Committee on
the budget with the recommendation that the Committee do
passed.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The question is on the motion offered
by the gentleman from Maryland.
All those in favor, say aye.
Those opposed, no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and the motion is
agreed to.
Mr. HAGEDORN. Madam Chair, I request a recorded vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. Is there a sufficient second?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. [Nonverbal response]
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. There is a sufficient second. A roll
call vote is ordered. The clerk will call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes aye. Mr. Crow?
Mr. CROW. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Crow votes aye. Ms. Davids?
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Ms. DAVIDS. Davids votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes aye. Mr. Mfume?
Mr. MFUME. Mfume votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Mfume votes aye. Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes aye. Ms. Newman?
Ms. NEWMAN. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Newman votes aye. Ms. Bourdeaux?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. Bourdeaux votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Bourdeaux votes aye. Ms. Chu? Ms. Chu?
[No response.]
The CLERK. Mr. Evans?
Mr. EVANS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Evans votes aye. Mr. Delgado?
Mr. DELGADO. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Delgado votes aye. Ms. Houlahan?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Houlahan votes aye. Mr. Kim?
Mr. KIM. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Kim votes aye. Ms. Craig?
Ms. CRAIG. Craig votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Craig votes no. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Luetkemeyer votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes no. Mr. Williams?
Mr. WILLIAMS. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Williams says no. Mr. Hagedorn?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Hagedorn votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Hagedorn votes no. Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes no. Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes no. Mr. Garbarino? Mr.
Garbarino?
[No response.]
The CLERK. Ms. Kim?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Kim votes no. I swear you would not believe
the——
The CLERK. Ms. Kim votes no. Ms. Van Duyne?
[No response.]
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds?
Mr. DONALDS. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds votes no. Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Yes, votes yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye. Mr. Fitzgerald?
Mr. FITZGERALD. Fitzgerald votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Fitzgerald says no. Ms. Velázquez?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Ms. Velázquez votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Velázquez votes aye. Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Chu votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes aye. Mr. Garbarino?
Mr. GARBARINO. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Garbarino votes no.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Does anyone want to change their
vote? The clerk will report the tally.
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The CLERK. Madam Chairwoman, on this vote there were 15
ayes and 9 noes.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The ayes have it and the motion is
agreed to.
Pursuant to House Rule XI, clause 2L, I ask that Committee
Members have the right to file with the clerk of the Committee
supplemental additional minority and dissenting views without ob-
jection. Also, without objection, the staff is authorized to make nec-
essary technical and conforming changes. The meeting is ad-
journed.
[Whereupon, at 10:26 p.m., the committee was adjourned.]
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