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Markup of H.R. 5763, H.R. 5788 and Other Bills (House Small Business Committee hearing, November 18, 2025)

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Transcript of the November 18, 2025 House Small Business Committee markup, Small Business Committee Document Number 119-022, of seven bills. They include H.R. 5763, the Main Street Parity Act, H.R. 5788, the 504 Program Risk Oversight Act, H.R. 3496 on Northern Mariana Islands small business access, two artificial intelligence bills (H.R. 5764 and H.R. 5784), H.R. 5778 on employee ownership and H.R. 4305, the DUMP Red Tape Act of 2025. Chairman Roger Williams and Ranking Member Nydia Velázquez opened. The appendix carries substitutes, amendments by Mr. Cisneros and Ms. Scholten, electronic vote results and letters from OpenAI, INTUIT and the Coalition for Sensible Safeguards.

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                                                                  MARKUP OF: H.R. 5763, MAIN STREET PARITY
                                                                    ACT; H.R. 5788, 504 PROGRAM RISK OVER-
                                                                    SIGHT ACT; H.R. 3496, NORTHERN MARIANA
                                                                    ISLANDS SMALL BUSINESS ACCESS ACT; H.R.
                                                                    5764, AI FOR MAINSTREET ACT; H.R. 5784,
                                                                    ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE WISDOM FOR INNO-
                                                                    VATIVE SMALL ENTERPRISES (AI-WISE) ACT;
                                                                    H.R. 5778, IMPROVING SBA ENGAGEMENT ON
                                                                    EMPLOYEE OWNERSHIP ACT; H.R. 4305, DE-
                                                                    STROYING UNNECESSARY, MISALIGNED, AND
                                                                    PROHIBITIVE (DUMP) RED TAPE ACT OF 2025
                                                                                                      HEARING
                                                                                                             BEFORE THE


                                                                           COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
                                                                                  UNITED STATES
                                                                            HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
                                                                                    ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS
                                                                                                           FIRST SESSION

                                                                                                        HEARING HELD
                                                                                                       NOVEMBER 18, 2025




                                                                                    Small Business Committee Document Number 119–022
                                                                                      Available via the GPO Website: www.govinfo.gov

                                                                                               U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE
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                                                                                        HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
                                                                                             ROGER WILLIAMS, Texas, Chairman
                                                                                                  PETE STAUBER, Minnesota
                                                                                                  DAN MEUSER, Pennsylvania
                                                                                                   BETH VAN DUYNE, Texas
                                                                                                      JAKE ELLZEY, Texas
                                                                                                    MARK ALFORD, Missouri
                                                                                                    NICK LALOTA, New York
                                                                                                  BRAD FINSTAD, Minnesota
                                                                                                     TONY WIED, Wisconsin
                                                                                               ROB BRESNAHAN, Pennsylvania
                                                                                                      BRIAN JACK, Georgia
                                                                                                  TROY DOWNING, Montana
                                                                                        KIMBERLYN KING-HINDS, Northern Marina Islands
                                                                                                   DEREK SCHMIDT, Kansas
                                                                                                   JIMMY PATRONIS, Florida
                                                                                         NYDIA VELÁZQUEZ, New York, Ranking Member
                                                                                               MORGAN MCGARVEY, Kentucky
                                                                                                HILLARY SCHOLTEN, Michigan
                                                                                               LAMONICA MCIVER, New Jersey
                                                                                                   GIL CISNEROS, California
                                                                                                KELLY MORRISON, Minnesota
                                                                                                GEORGE LATIMER, New York
                                                                                                    DEREK TRAN, California
                                                                                                 LATEEFAH SIMON, California
                                                                                               JOHNNY OLSZEWSKI, Maryland
                                                                                                 HERB CONAWAY, New Jersey
                                                                                            MAGGIE GOODLANDER, New Hampshire

                                                                                               LAUREN HOLMES, Majority Staff Director
                                                                                                MELISSA JUNG, Minority Staff Director




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                                                                                                                  CONTENTS
                                                                                                               OPENING STATEMENTS
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Page
                                                                  Hon. Roger Williams ................................................................................................              1
                                                                  Hon. Nydia Velázquez .............................................................................................               3
                                                                                                                           APPENDIX
                                                                  Additional Material for the Record:
                                                                  Text of Legislation:
                                                                      H.R. 5763 - Main Street Parity Act ................................................................                          32
                                                                      H.R. 5788 - 504 Program Risk Oversight Act ................................................                                  34
                                                                      H.R. 3496 - Northern Mariana Islands Small Business Access Act .............                                                 39
                                                                      H.R. 5764 - AI for Main Street Act .................................................................                         41
                                                                      H.R. 5784 - Artificial Intelligence Wisdom for Innovative Small Enter-
                                                                         prises (AI-WISE) Act ....................................................................................                 44
                                                                      H.R. 5778 - Improving SBA Engagement on Employee Ownership Act ......                                                        53
                                                                      H.R. 4305 - Destroying Unnecessary, Misaligned, and Prohibitive
                                                                         (DUMP) Red Tape Act of 2025 .....................................................................                         56
                                                                  Amendments:
                                                                      ANS to H.R. 3496, offered by Ms. King-Hinds ...............................................                                  59
                                                                      ANS to H.R. 5764, offered by Mr. Alford ........................................................                             61
                                                                      ANS to H.R. 4305, offered by Mr. Wied ..........................................................                             64
                                                                      Amendment #1 to the ANS to H.R. 4305 offered by Mr. Cisneros ...............                                                 68
                                                                      Amendment #1 to the ANS to H.R. 4305 offered by Ms. Scholten ...............                                                 73
                                                                  Support Documents:
                                                                      E-Vote Results ..................................................................................................            74
                                                                      OpenAI Letter ...................................................................................................            83
                                                                      INTUIT Letter ..................................................................................................             85
                                                                      Coalition for Sensible Safeguards (CSS) Letter .............................................                                 87
                                                                      National Association of Development Companies (NADCO) - H.R. 5763
                                                                         Letter .............................................................................................................      89
                                                                      National Association of Development Companies (NADCO) - H.R. 5788
                                                                         Letter .............................................................................................................      90
                                                                      The National Cooperative Business Association (NCBA) Letter ..................                                               91
                                                                      Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council (SBE) - H.R. 5764 Letter .....                                                     93
                                                                      Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council (SBE) - H.R. 4305 Letter .....                                                     94
                                                                      Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council (SBE) - H.R. 5763 Letter .....                                                     95
                                                                  Votes:
                                                                      H.R. 3496 - ANS offered by Ms. King-Hinds agreed to by voice ..................                                              96
                                                                      H.R. 5764 - ANS offered by Mr. Alford agreed to by voice ...........................                                         97
                                                                      H.R. 4305 - ANS offered by Mr. Wied agreed to by voice .............................                                         98
                                                                      H.R. 5763 - Main Street Parity Act Ordered to be reported by the Yeas
                                                                         and Nays: 27-0 ..............................................................................................             99
                                                                      H.R. 5788 - 504 Program Risk Oversight Act Ordered to be reported
                                                                         by the Yeas and Nays: 27-0 .........................................................................                     100
                                                                      H.R. 3496 - Northern Mariana Islands Small Business Access Act (As
                                                                         Amended) Ordered to be reported by the Yeas and Nays: 27-0 ................                                              101
                                                                      H.R. 5764 - AI for Main Street Act (As Amended) Ordered to be reported
                                                                         by the Yeas and Nays: 27-0 .........................................................................                     102
                                                                      H.R. 5784 - Artificial Intelligence Wisdom for Innovative Small Enter-
                                                                         prises (AI-WISE) Act Ordered to be reported by the Yeas and Nays:
                                                                         27-0 .................................................................................................................   103
                                                                      H.R. 5778 - Improving SBA Engagement on Employee Ownership Act
                                                                         Ordered to be reported by the Yeas and Nays: 27-0 ..................................                                     104
                                                                      Amendment #1 to the ANS to H.R. 4305 offered by Mr. Cisneros Ordered
                                                                         to be reported by the Yeas and Nays: 12-15 ...............................................                               105
                                                                      Amendment #1 to the ANS to H.R. 4305 offered by Ms. Scholten Ordered
                                                                         to be reported by the Yeas and Nays: 12-15 ...............................................                               106
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                                                                  Votes—Continued
                                                                      H.R. 4305 - Destroying Unnecessary, Misaligned, and Prohibitive
                                                                        (DUMP) Red Tape Act of 2025 (As Amended) Ordered to be reported
                                                                        by the Yeas and Nays: 18-9 .........................................................................   107




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                                                                  MARKUP OF: H.R. 5763, MAIN STREET PARITY
                                                                   ACT; H.R. 5788, 504 PROGRAM RISK OVER-
                                                                   SIGHT ACT; H.R. 3496, NORTHERN MARIANA
                                                                   ISLANDS SMALL BUSINESS ACCESS ACT;
                                                                   H.R. 5764, AI FOR MAINSTREET ACT; H.R.
                                                                   5784, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE WISDOM
                                                                   FOR INNOVATIVE SMALL ENTERPRISES (AI-
                                                                   WISE) ACT; H.R. 5778, IMPROVING SBA EN-
                                                                   GAGEMENT ON EMPLOYEE OWNERSHIP
                                                                   ACT; H.R. 4305, DESTROYING UNNECESSARY,
                                                                   MISALIGNED, AND PROHIBITIVE (DUMP)
                                                                   RED TAPE ACT OF 2025

                                                                                               TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 18, 2025

                                                                                           HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
                                                                                       COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS,
                                                                                                                     Washington, DC.
                                                                     The Committee met, pursuant to call, at 9:54 a.m., in Room
                                                                  2360, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Roger Williams [chair-
                                                                  man of the Committee] presiding.
                                                                     Present: Representatives Williams, Stauber, Meuser, Van Duyne,
                                                                  Ellzey, Alford, LaLota, Finstad, Wied, Bresnahan, Jack, Downing,
                                                                  King-Hinds, Schmidt, Patronis, Velázquez, McGarvey, Scholten,
                                                                  McIver, Cisneros, Morrison, Latimer, Tran, Simon, Conaway, and
                                                                  Goodlander.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Before we get started, I want to recognize
                                                                  Representative Meuser from the great state of Pennsylvania to lead
                                                                  us in the Pledge of Allegiance and a short prayer.
                                                                     Mr. MEUSER. Will you please stand and bow your heads? Dear
                                                                  God, we appreciate this day bringing us together back here in
                                                                  Washington, doing the best work we can for a great nation. And
                                                                  we thank you for helping be creative. Give us the wisdom. We ask
                                                                  for this often, but please give it to us to focus on the greater good,
                                                                  to truly put you and country ahead of self.
                                                                     And there is a biblical verse that is known as blessed are the
                                                                  meek for they will inherit the Earth. The meek, of course, are those
                                                                  that are humble, have humility, and appreciate the people and the
                                                                  world around them most. They will inherit the Earth. Allow us to
                                                                  follow this line from Scripture.
                                                                     In the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, God be with
                                                                  you. Thank you. Amen.
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                                                                     We will now do the pledge.
                                                                     ALL. I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of
                                                                  America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under
                                                                  God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The Committee will now come to order
                                                                  and a quorum is present. Without objection, the Chair is author-
                                                                  ized to declare a recess of the Committee at any time.
                                                                     As required by the House rules, a copy of the legislative meas-
                                                                  ures have been made available to Members and the public at least
                                                                  24 hours in advance. Without objection, the Committee will vote
                                                                  electronically in accordance with the Committee rules and regula-
                                                                  tions developed by the House Committees on Rules and Adminis-
                                                                  tration.
                                                                     I now recognize myself for opening remarks.
                                                                     Today we will mark up seven important bills that support small
                                                                  business across the country. These bills reflect the commitment to
                                                                  equipping entrepreneurs with the tools they need to innovate,
                                                                  grow, and compete in our ever-evolving economy. From the expand-
                                                                  ing access to artificial intelligence resources, strengthening over-
                                                                  sight, removing outdated barriers to capital, and tackling burden-
                                                                  some regulations, each of these bills will support Main Street
                                                                  America in a meaningful way.
                                                                     As Chairman, I am proud of the network—or proud of the work
                                                                  being done in this Committee to support the administration’s ef-
                                                                  forts and ensure that small businesses remain at the forefront of
                                                                  the American economy. These bills represent the Committee’s bi-
                                                                  partisan commitment to fostering an environment where small
                                                                  businesses can grow, innovate, and invest in their communities.
                                                                     Several of the bills we are considering today focus on the trans-
                                                                  formative role of artificial intelligence and ensure that small busi-
                                                                  nesses have access to resources and training to help them utilize
                                                                  AI. Our bills today will also bring greater accountability and over-
                                                                  sight of the SBA 504 loan program and improve access to SBA
                                                                  lending by all types of industries. We will also consider a bill that
                                                                  would finally bring SBA microlending to the Commonwealth of the
                                                                  Northern Mariana Islands.
                                                                     I appreciate the Ranking Member and the Committee staff who
                                                                  have supported the Committee’s effort over the years on this issue.
                                                                  Another bill will require the SBA to implement requirements for
                                                                  the fiscal year 2019 NDAA to provide information and outreach
                                                                  about employee ownership for small businesses. And finally, we
                                                                  will consider a bill that empowers small businesses to report bur-
                                                                  densome regulations by codifying the SBA Office of Advocacy’s Red
                                                                  Tape Hotline.
                                                                     I am proud of the continued bipartisan efforts that have resulted
                                                                  in today’s markup. These efforts have led to the passage of 18
                                                                  small business bills out of the House this year, which now await
                                                                  Senate consideration. I look forward to working with my colleagues
                                                                  so we can continue to pass meaningful legislation that empowers
                                                                  small businesses and strengthens our communities.
                                                                     Now, with that, I look forward to today’s markup and I yield to
                                                                  the distinguished Member and my friend, the Ranking Member
                                                                  from New York, Ms. Velázquez, for her opening remarks.




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                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for convening this
                                                                  markup today.
                                                                     As we consider legislation to shape the future of small businesses
                                                                  across the country, it is important to address both the opportuni-
                                                                  ties and challenges facing small businesses today. I plan to lend my
                                                                  support to the six bipartisan bills under consideration and I will
                                                                  lay out my concerns with the last bill. And I appreciate the Chair-
                                                                  man’s efforts to mark up a fair ratio of Republican and Democratic
                                                                  bills. I am encouraged to see us working together on commonsense,
                                                                  bipartisan bills that provide more opportunity for small businesses
                                                                  because expanding opportunities shouldn’t be a partisan issue.
                                                                     With that said, we need the SBA to be a more accountable part-
                                                                  ner. Ignoring congressional oversight letters and requests for meet-
                                                                  ings undermines trust. It needs to change and my hope is that you
                                                                  will join me in ensuring the agency is more responsive to this Com-
                                                                  mittee.
                                                                     And I am hopeful we can work together on issues that really
                                                                  matter: lowering costs for small businesses. These critical employ-
                                                                  ers who account for a large portion of jobs in this country are not
                                                                  hiring because they are grappling with inflation and escalating
                                                                  costs. According to the Center for American Progress analysis,
                                                                  more than 5 million self-employed small business owners have
                                                                  health insurance coverage through the ACA. We cannot allow these
                                                                  tax credits to expire, causing premiums to double for millions of
                                                                  Americans. And our ranchers and farmers are reeling from deci-
                                                                  sions on tariffs and beef purchases that have been unilaterally
                                                                  made by this administration. I urge you to schedule a hearing so
                                                                  we can hear directly from small businesses about these important
                                                                  issues.
                                                                     Thank you again, Mr. Williams, and I look forward to a produc-
                                                                  tive markup. I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The lady yields back. And does any other
                                                                  Member seek recognition for the purpose of making an opening
                                                                  statement?
                                                                     Okay. Seeing none, we will now move to consideration of the first
                                                                  bill.
                                                                     H.R. 5763
                                                                     The Committee now moves to consideration of H.R. 5763, the
                                                                  Main Street Parity Act, introduced by Chairman, myself, and Rep-
                                                                  resentative Simon. The clerk will report the bill.
                                                                     The CLERK. H.R. 5763, a bill to amend the Small Business——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, H.R. 5763 is consid-
                                                                  ered as read and open for amendment.
                                                                     I now recognize myself for a statement on the bill.
                                                                     Most small business owners applying for 504 loans must con-
                                                                  tribute 10 percent as a form of down payment. However, if their
                                                                  loan involves a limited purpose property, such as bowling alley,
                                                                  dairy farm, or doctor’s office, they must contribute an extra 5 per-
                                                                  cent, a total of 15 percent down. And everyday businesses on main
                                                                  street like these are unfairly burdened with this extra equity re-
                                                                  quirement that is based on outdated, inaccurate assumptions that
                                                                  these kinds of businesses pose a greater risk to the program. So
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                                                                  hospitals, and wineries, perform better on average than the entire
                                                                  504 portfolio.
                                                                     So this bill will remove unnecessary burdens for entrepreneurs
                                                                  who are seeking loans for these special purpose buildings and will
                                                                  put them on equal footing with their peers. This change will sup-
                                                                  port the countless small businesses at the center of our commu-
                                                                  nities and drive the economy. And it is time to bring parity back
                                                                  to main street.
                                                                     So I urge my colleagues to vote yes on H.R. 5763. And I yield
                                                                  back.
                                                                     And I now recognize the bill’s cosponsor, Representative Simon
                                                                  from the great state of California for her remarks.
                                                                     Ms. SIMON. It is Simon. But I really like——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Simon.
                                                                     Ms. SIMON. But I like Simone. It sounds a lot more dignified.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. She is my friend. I was just checking her
                                                                  out. Thank you.
                                                                     Ms. SIMON. Simone gives it a little French flair. My family is
                                                                  from Louisiana, sir.
                                                                     Thank you so much. And it has been an honor to work with you
                                                                  on this bill together, you and I, championing this bill and others.
                                                                  It has been a real honor. And I want to thank our Ranking Mem-
                                                                  ber Velázquez for really lifting up the freshman Members of this
                                                                  Committee to ensure that we are a part of this legislative process
                                                                  full scale.
                                                                     The Main Street Parity Act is a simple way to support a broad
                                                                  range of small businesses in this country, not just the ones with
                                                                  standard commercial property. So right now, businesses in my dis-
                                                                  trict and in districts across the country operate in what is called
                                                                  a special purpose property and they are being penalized simply for
                                                                  having unique construction or building needs. You referenced bowl-
                                                                  ing alleys, and you are absolutely right. These include places, not
                                                                  just bowling alleys, but car washes and marinas and funeral homes
                                                                  and recreation centers. These are the kind of small businesses in
                                                                  our community that serve local families, that create real jobs, and
                                                                  keep our communities running.
                                                                     The Main Street Parity Act lowers the equity requirement for
                                                                  these borrowers to the same 10 percent required for everyone else.
                                                                  This is definitely a commonsense bill that supports small business
                                                                  owners throughout the country. This bill is a simple fix. It is non-
                                                                  partisan and it really does what our constituents have asked us to
                                                                  do, making small business work on main street in rural and in
                                                                  urban communities throughout this country. It is about promoting
                                                                  fair, inclusive economic growth and recognizing that opportunity
                                                                  should not depend on something as small as the type of building
                                                                  your business happens to own or run in.
                                                                     I urge all of my colleagues today to support the Main Street Par-
                                                                  ity Act and ensure fair capital access across all small business in-
                                                                  dustries in our great nation.
                                                                     Thank you, sir, and I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. I thank Congressman Simon for that.
                                                                     Are there any other Members who wish to be recognized for a
                                                                  statement on the bill?
                                                                     I now recognize the Ranking Member to speak on the bill.




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                                                                    Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I support H.R.
                                                                  5763. This bill makes important adjustments to improve SBA 504
                                                                  CDC program. I applaud Chairman Williams and Representative
                                                                  Simon for their leadership on this issue.
                                                                    The 504 CDC program has long supported small businesses in
                                                                  accessing capital for the development of major fixed assets, ensur-
                                                                  ing that these businesses have the resources they need to be suc-
                                                                  cessful and support thousands of jobs across the country. As part
                                                                  of the 504 CDC program, loans are guaranteed for so-called special
                                                                  use properties, like bowling alleys, car washes, and marinas. Since
                                                                  the special use designation was created in 1996, businesses devel-
                                                                  oping these properties have been required to pay a special use pen-
                                                                  alty when accessing 504 CDC loans. The additional equity require-
                                                                  ment was put in place by Congress because of the belief that these
                                                                  special use properties will be challenging to repurpose, shrinking
                                                                  the market pool of potential buyers and making them more difficult
                                                                  to sell, thereby posing a higher risk to the SBA loan portfolio if one
                                                                  of these businesses ever faced financial hardship and needed to be
                                                                  sold.
                                                                    However, in almost 30 years since the designation was created
                                                                  and the penalty was put in place, many of these properties have
                                                                  been successfully repurposed for alternative uses. More impor-
                                                                  tantly, the shut-off rate since that time is substantially similar to
                                                                  standard 504 CDC loans, demonstrating that this loan poses no
                                                                  greater risk than standard loans. Therefore, it is time to remove
                                                                  the special use penalty and lower the equity barrier these prop-
                                                                  erties face when accessing capital through the 504 CDC program.
                                                                    This bill reduces the minimum equity requirement for special use
                                                                  property to at least 10 percent, in line with the requirement for
                                                                  standard loans under the 504 CDC program. It also maintains the
                                                                  discretionary authority to require higher equity requirements of
                                                                  the borrower if the CDC so chooses.
                                                                    I want to thank my Republican colleagues for their collaboration
                                                                  on H.R. 5788, which we are also discussing, that increases the SBA
                                                                  reporting requirements to Congress for 504 CDC loans, including
                                                                  for special use properties, so that we can continue to monitor the
                                                                  changes we are making in this bill in the future. This bill is sup-
                                                                  ported by the National Association of Development Companies.
                                                                    I urge my colleagues to support the bill and I yield back.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                    And does anyone wish to offer an amendment?
                                                                    Okay. Seeing none, the question now occurs on favorably report-
                                                                  ing H.R. 5763.
                                                                    All those in favor, say aye.
                                                                    All those opposed, say no.
                                                                    In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it. H.R. 5763 is agreed
                                                                  to.
                                                                    Ms. KING-HINDS. Mr. Chairman, I would like to request a re-
                                                                  corded vote.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. A recorded vote has been requested. A
                                                                  roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee rule 13 and House
                                                                  rule XI, further proceedings on this bill are postponed.
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                                                                     The Committee now moves to consideration of H.R. 5788, the 504
                                                                  Program Risk Oversight Act, introduced by Representative Tran
                                                                  and Patronis. The clerk will report the bill.
                                                                     The CLERK. H.R. 5788, a bill——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, H.R. 5788 is consid-
                                                                  ered as read and open for amendment.
                                                                     I now recognize the bill’s sponsor, Representative Tran from the
                                                                  great state of California for a statement on the bill.
                                                                     Mr. TRAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for the opportunity to dis-
                                                                  cuss an essential piece of legislation today, the 504 Program Risk
                                                                  Oversight Act. The 504 Program Risk Oversight Act would require
                                                                  the SBA to conduct an annual risk assessment of the 504 CDC pro-
                                                                  gram and provide Congress with a report containing the results by
                                                                  December 1st each year.
                                                                     The 504 Loan Program is SBA’s premier economic development
                                                                  program providing low-cost, fixed-rate capital to help small busi-
                                                                  nesses expand. Since its inception in 1986, the program has pro-
                                                                  vided approximately 400 billion in total project financing and cre-
                                                                  ated over 3.3 million jobs. In California, that translates to 95 bil-
                                                                  lion in total capital and the creation of over 715,000 good paying
                                                                  jobs.
                                                                     The SBA’s 504 program is central to long-term business growth
                                                                  and competitiveness for many small business owners. However, as
                                                                  small business grow and take on larger and more complex projects,
                                                                  I have heard from my constituents that the limitation in SBA’s 504
                                                                  financing imposes unnecessary constraints on the organic and prof-
                                                                  itable growth of their business. Many times I have heard that a
                                                                  limitation they faced was when their financing needs were more
                                                                  than what the SBA could lend due to the loan limits. That is why
                                                                  I support increasing the maximum loan size for 504 to allow the
                                                                  program to have a bigger impact and adjust the loan limits which
                                                                  have not been changed since 2010. However, it is also important
                                                                  to ensure program performance remains a top priority and the 504
                                                                  program stays healthy for its long-term availability to small busi-
                                                                  nesses.
                                                                     Currently, SBA is not required to conduct an annual portfolio
                                                                  risk analysis of the 504 program and provide Congress with a de-
                                                                  tailed report containing the results. This bipartisan bill will ad-
                                                                  dress the problem and help more Americans launch and grow small
                                                                  businesses by improving oversight and risk assessment of the 504
                                                                  program. Transparent data is the cornerstone of a productive part-
                                                                  nership between the SBA, Congress, and the industry and the work
                                                                  we do to modernize the 504 loan limit for all borrowers while keep-
                                                                  ing the program healthy.
                                                                     I am proud to lead this bill and I want to thank my colleague
                                                                  Representative Jimmy Patronis for his partnership in co-leading
                                                                  this important piece of legislation with me.
                                                                     I urge my colleagues to support this important bipartisan bill.
                                                                  Thank you and I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     I now recognize Representative Patronis from the great state of
                                                                  Florida for a statement on the bill.




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                                                                     Mr. PATRONIS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate my col-
                                                                  league Congressman Tran’s work on this good bill. I am pleased
                                                                  also to be a original cosponsor on this legislation.
                                                                     Transparency and responsible government is key to an effective
                                                                  government. This bill is an example of just that. As a former CFO
                                                                  of the State of Florida, I was responsible for overseeing the state’s
                                                                  investments, especially in the retirement space. We must ensure
                                                                  that the taxpayers’ dollars are being used effectively and not set on
                                                                  fire. This bill will make sure that there is always risk analysis
                                                                  being done on 504 program activities.
                                                                     Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     Are there any of the Members who wish to be recognized for a
                                                                  statement on the bill?
                                                                     Seeing none, I would like to recognize the Ranking Member to
                                                                  speak on the bill.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Let me start off by
                                                                  thanking Representatives Tran and Patronis for working together
                                                                  on a bipartisan basis to introduce this important bill. Information
                                                                  and transparency are central to ensuring the proper operation and
                                                                  functioning of the SBA lending programs, including the 504 CDC
                                                                  program. And this bill will help our Committee carry out our over-
                                                                  sight responsibility.
                                                                     For months I have investigated and warned about the rising de-
                                                                  fault levels in the SBA other main lending program, the flagship
                                                                  7(a) program. Federal law requires the SBA Office of Credit Risk
                                                                  Management to conduct an annual portfolio risk analysis of the
                                                                  7(a) program and provide Congress with a detailed report of the re-
                                                                  sults. It is this report that has helped our Committee examine the
                                                                  7(a) program’s rising defaults and tailor our actions accordingly.
                                                                  The report provides detailed information on the program’s overall
                                                                  risks set forth by industry concentration, risks created by indi-
                                                                  vidual lenders, enforcement actions that have been taken, and
                                                                  other important data points.
                                                                     Unfortunately, a similar statutory requirement does not exist for
                                                                  the 504 CDC program. H.R. 5788 will fix that by compelling the
                                                                  SBA to conduct an annual risk analysis of the 504 CDC program
                                                                  and provide Congress with the results tailored to meet the 504
                                                                  CDC program’s unique features. This bill will require the SBA to
                                                                  provide many of the same data points on the 504 CDC program as
                                                                  it is currently providing us on the 7(a) program.
                                                                     Let me be clear, loan defaults do not currently seem to be a con-
                                                                  cern in the 504 CDC program. Publicly available information dem-
                                                                  onstrate responsible operation of the program, but this bill will give
                                                                  us information we need to monitor the program now and in the fu-
                                                                  ture so its zero subsidy requirement is maintained.
                                                                     Finally, H.R. 5788 will require that the 504 CDC risk report also
                                                                  be posted on the SBA website and made available to the public.
                                                                  H.R. 5788 is supported by the National Association of Development
                                                                  Companies.
                                                                     Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back, and thank
                                                                  you.




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                                                                     And I now recognize myself to speak in support of this legisla-
                                                                  tion.
                                                                     The SBA’s 504 loan program plays a crucial role in financing
                                                                  fixed assets for small businesses through community-based part-
                                                                  ners. While these loans help local small businesses grow, there is
                                                                  a clear lack of reporting on the health and risk within the 504 port-
                                                                  folio. So as Americans and policymakers need a clear timely infor-
                                                                  mation on the program to ensure that taxpayer dollars are pro-
                                                                  tected, we need to know that the program is sustainable and effec-
                                                                  tive for small businesses nationwide.
                                                                     The 504 Program Risk Oversight Act ensures that Congress can
                                                                  carry out its constitutional duty of oversight by requiring annual
                                                                  data-driven reports from the SBA on the health of the 504 loan
                                                                  program. By enhancing transparency and insight, this legislation
                                                                  will help Congress identify and mitigate risk early, strengthening
                                                                  the long-term viability of the 504 loan program and ensuring con-
                                                                  tinued support for American entrepreneurs.
                                                                     So I urge my colleagues to vote yes on H.R. 5788, and I yield
                                                                  back.
                                                                     Does anyone wish to offer an amendment?
                                                                     Okay. Seeing none, the question is now on favorably reporting
                                                                  H.R. 5788 to the House.
                                                                     All those in favor, say aye.
                                                                     All those opposed, say no.
                                                                     In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and H.R. 5788 is
                                                                  agreed to.
                                                                     Mr. PATRONIS. Mr. Chairman?
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Yes.
                                                                     Mr. PATRONIS. I would like to request a recorded vote.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. We have got a recorded vote has
                                                                  been requested. A roll call vote is ordered. And pursuant to Com-
                                                                  mittee rule 13 and House rule XI, further proceedings on this bill
                                                                  are postponed.
                                                                     H.R. 3496
                                                                     The Committee now moves to consideration of H.R. 3496, North-
                                                                  ern Mariana Island Small Business Access Act, introduced by Dele-
                                                                  gate King-Hinds and cosponsored by Representative Conaway. And
                                                                  the clerk will report the bill.
                                                                     The CLERK. H.R. 3496, a bill to amend the Small Business——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, H.R. 3496 is consid-
                                                                  ered as read and open for amendment.
                                                                     The bill sponsor Delegate King-Hinds has an amendment in the
                                                                  nature of a substitute at the desk. The amendment has been dis-
                                                                  tributed in advance. The clerk will report the amendment.
                                                                     The CLERK. Amendment in the nature of a substitute to H.R.
                                                                  34——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, the amendment is con-
                                                                  sidered as read and the substitute will be considered as a base text
                                                                  for the purpose of further amendment.
                                                                     I now recognize the bill’s sponsor, Delegate King-Hinds from the
                                                                  Great Northern Mariana Islands, for a statement on the bill and
                                                                  the amendment.
                                                                     Ms. KING-HINDS. Thank you, Chairman Williams and Ranking
                                                                  Member Velázquez, for agreeing to include my bill, H.R. 3496, the




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                                                                  Northern Mariana Islands Small Business Access Act, in today’s
                                                                  markup. H.R. 3496 would include my district, the Northern Mar-
                                                                  iana Islands, in the Small Business Administration’s Microloan
                                                                  Program. The Microloan Program issues loans of $50,000 or less at
                                                                  low interest rates to help small businesses that may be unable to
                                                                  access capital elsewhere, grow their businesses, or create jobs.
                                                                    Since the program became operational in 1992, it has issued over
                                                                  69,000 loans totaling over 900 million and supported over 250,000
                                                                  American jobs. Despite the program’s impressive impact for Ameri-
                                                                  cans across the country, the Northern Mariana Islands is the only
                                                                  state or territory not explicitly included under the law. This bill
                                                                  would simply add the CNMI to be eligible for the program along-
                                                                  side every other territory.
                                                                    I thank my co-lead on the bill, Representative Conaway, for his
                                                                  best support and Congressman Cisneros for cosponsoring this legis-
                                                                  lation as well. Again, my bill simply adds my district to the
                                                                  Microloan Program that is already available to all other Americans.
                                                                  I urge my colleagues to support this bipartisan, commonsense, no-
                                                                  cost bill.
                                                                    Thank you. I yield back.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                    I now recognize Representative Conaway from the great state of
                                                                  New Jersey for a statement on the bill and the amendment.
                                                                    Mr. CONAWAY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to echo
                                                                  support for H.R. 3496, the Northern Mariana Island Small Busi-
                                                                  ness Access Act, along with my colleague, Congresswoman King-
                                                                  Hinds.
                                                                    As has been said, the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Is-
                                                                  lands, you know, I don’t say that very often, Northern Mariana Is-
                                                                  lands is one of the six territories in the U.S. and, despite its status
                                                                  as a territory, the Northern Mariana Islands have been excluded
                                                                  from certain small business programs. This is important legislation
                                                                  that would ensure that there are expanded access to SBA’s
                                                                  Microloan Program to small businesses on the Northern Mariana
                                                                  Islands.
                                                                    As you know, access to capital is vital for success and stability
                                                                  of small businesses. The SBA’s Microloan Program is designed to
                                                                  assist women, low-income persons, veterans, minority entre-
                                                                  preneurs, and small business owners. And said loans can be used
                                                                  for a myriad of purposes, including working capital, inventory, sup-
                                                                  plies, furniture, fixtures, machinery, and equipment. Ensuring that
                                                                  the Northern Mariana Islands has better access to this important
                                                                  SBA program is very important and I urge all of my colleagues to
                                                                  support this important piece of legislation.
                                                                    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlemen yields back.
                                                                    Are there any other Members who wish to be recognized for a
                                                                  statement?
                                                                    Seeing none, I would like to recognize the Ranking Member to
                                                                  speak on the bill and the amendment.
                                                                    Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to express
                                                                  my support for H.R. 3496, as amended. I commend Delegate King-
                                                                  Hinds and Dr. Conaway for reintroducing the bill we have worked
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                                                                    The Northern Mariana Islands Small Business Access Act is a
                                                                  straightforward but important bill that expands access to the SBA
                                                                  Microloan Program to small businesses in the Commonwealth of
                                                                  the Northern Mariana Islands. The program has been hugely suc-
                                                                  cessful.
                                                                    With that said, small businesses in the Northern Mariana Is-
                                                                  lands face unique challenges as geographic isolation leads to higher
                                                                  costs for goods and services, and their economy is heavily reliant
                                                                  on tourism, which can ebb and flow with economy and natural dis-
                                                                  aster. Having access to affordable credit gives small businesses the
                                                                  ability to weather the storms and economic uncertainty and fully
                                                                  prepare for the next opportunity.
                                                                    I worked to ensure the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana
                                                                  Islands had access to the Microloan Program as part of a more
                                                                  comprehensive bill to improve the Microloan Program. Despite
                                                                  passing the House, that bill was not considered in the Senate.
                                                                  While I would prefer to handle this issue in a more complete re-
                                                                  view of the program to make much needed improvements, I am
                                                                  willing to set aside those concerns today to ensure that small busi-
                                                                  ness owners in CNMI have access to the SBA Macro Loan program,
                                                                  and I urge my colleagues to support this bipartisan measure.
                                                                    I yield back.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back. Thank you.
                                                                    I now recognize myself to speak in support of this legislation.
                                                                    The SBA Microloan Program offers entrepreneurs access to small
                                                                  dollar loans through intermediaries. By statute, the SBA portions
                                                                  Microloan Program funding to each state and territory except for
                                                                  the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands. This exclusion
                                                                  makes it more challenging for small businesses in the Northern
                                                                  Mariana Islands to access capital. And the Northern Mariana Is-
                                                                  land Small Business Access Act amends the Small Business Act to
                                                                  include the Northern Mariana Islands in the program’s geographic
                                                                  coverage.
                                                                    Expanding microloan eligibility will spark entrepreneurship. It
                                                                  strengthens that local economy for all states and territories and
                                                                  further assisting constituents of our colleague, Delegate King-
                                                                  Hinds, to access opportunities to grow.
                                                                    I urge my colleagues to vote yes on H.R. 3496, and I yield back.
                                                                    Does anyone wish to offer an amendment?
                                                                    Seeing none, the question now occurs on the adoption of the sub-
                                                                  stitute amendment offered H.R. 3496 by Delegate King-Hinds.
                                                                    All those in favor, say aye.
                                                                    All those opposed, say no.
                                                                    In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, the amendment in
                                                                  the nature of a substitute H.R. 3496 is adopted.
                                                                    Okay. The question is now on favorably reporting H.R. 3496, as
                                                                  amended, to the House.
                                                                    All those in favor, say aye.
                                                                    All those opposed, say no.
                                                                    In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and H.R. 3496, as
                                                                  amended, is agreed to.
                                                                    Ms. KING-HINDS. Mr. Chairman.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. For what purpose does the gentlelady
                                                                  seek recognition?




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                                                                     Ms. KING-HINDS. I would like to request a recorded vote.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. A recorded vote has been re-
                                                                  quested. A roll call vote is ordered, and pursuant to Committee rule
                                                                  13 and House rule XI, further proceedings on this bill are post-
                                                                  poned.
                                                                     H.R. 5764
                                                                     The Committee now moves to consideration of H.R. 5764, AI for
                                                                  Main Street Act, introduced by Representatives Alford and
                                                                  Scholten. The clerk will report the bill.
                                                                     The CLERK. H.R. 5764, bill to amend the Small Business——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, H.R. 5764 is consid-
                                                                  ered as read and open for amendment.
                                                                     The bill sponsor, Representative Alford, has an amendment in
                                                                  the nature of a substitute at the desk. The amendment has been
                                                                  distributed in advance. The clerk will report the amendment.
                                                                     The CLERK. Amendment in the nature of a substitute to H.R.
                                                                  57——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, the amendment is con-
                                                                  sidered as read and the substitute will be considered as base text
                                                                  for the purpose of further amendment.
                                                                     I now recognize the bill’s sponsor, Representative Alford from the
                                                                  great state of Missouri, for a statement on the bill and the amend-
                                                                  ment.
                                                                     Mr. ALFORD. Well, thank you, Mr. Chair. And thank you, Rank-
                                                                  ing Member Velázquez, for holding this hearing today. It is so good
                                                                  to see everyone on both sides of the aisle.
                                                                     This Committee exists in Congress to champion main street, to
                                                                  ensure that the small businesses that employ about half of all
                                                                  Americans can continue to thrive. As we all know, the AI revolu-
                                                                  tion is not coming. It is already here. And if any company from
                                                                  main street to wall street is not adapting, they will be left behind.
                                                                  This is why I was proud to introduce the AI for Main Street Act
                                                                  along with Congresswoman Scholten.
                                                                     This bill directs Small Business Development Centers to help
                                                                  small businesses evaluate and adopt artificial intelligence by pro-
                                                                  viding guidance, training, and outreach. It builds on existing ef-
                                                                  forts, like America’s SBDC AIU program. I urge all of my col-
                                                                  leagues to support this important legislation to ensure that main
                                                                  street gets the counseling they need to survive and thrive during
                                                                  the AI era, which is not going away anytime soon.
                                                                     And with that I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     I now recognize Representative Scholten from the great state of
                                                                  Michigan for a statement on the bill and the amendment.
                                                                     Ms. SCHOLTEN. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. I have
                                                                  been so proud to partner with Rep. Alford to lead the AI for Main
                                                                  Street Act.
                                                                     He said it so well and this Committee has recognized the abso-
                                                                  lute revolutionary power that AI can have for so many of our small
                                                                  business owners. Yet far too many don’t know how to access its
                                                                  power in a responsible way. This bill will help small businesses get
                                                                  quality guidance on how to adopt artificial intelligence into their
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                                                                    At a time when AI tools are becoming more accessible, but also
                                                                  more complex, small business owners need trusted local resources
                                                                  to help them navigate this new terrain. We have seen firsthand in
                                                                  our district how cutting-edge AI help from Small Business Develop-
                                                                  ment Centers can be just an absolute game-changer, and that is
                                                                  where the AI for Main Street Act comes in. Our bill will direct
                                                                  Small Business Development Centers to provide guidance, training,
                                                                  and outreach to small business owners so they can evaluate the use
                                                                  of AI for their businesses and implement it according to their
                                                                  unique needs.
                                                                    SBDCs are already a lifeline for small businesses, places where
                                                                  they turn to for help, practical expertise, and real-world solutions.
                                                                  By equipping these centers with AI-focused training, we are meet-
                                                                  ing small business owners where they are and giving them tools
                                                                  that they can put to work immediately.
                                                                    In our increasingly connected world, AI presents major changes
                                                                  to our economy and our way of life, from streamlining bookkeeping
                                                                  to managing inventory to improving customer outreach. AI can
                                                                  help small businesses save time, cut cost, stay competitive, but
                                                                  only if they have the knowledge how to use it effectively. That
                                                                  makes it all the more important that small businesses have the
                                                                  right resources. The AI for Main Street Act gives small businesses,
                                                                  again, the key word is trust, that trusted place to turn as they de-
                                                                  cide how to use AI to serve their goals.
                                                                    I urge my colleagues to support this bill, and I yield the remain-
                                                                  der of my time.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                    Are there any other Members who wish to be recognized for a
                                                                  statement on the bill?
                                                                    Seeing none, I would like to recognize the Ranking Member to
                                                                  speak on the bill and the amendment.
                                                                    Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am really
                                                                  pleased to support the AI for Main Street Act, which would allow
                                                                  the Small Business Development Centers to assist small business
                                                                  owners on how to evaluate artificial intelligence. I commend Mr.
                                                                  Alford and Ms. Scholten for working together on this bipartisan
                                                                  legislation.
                                                                    Among other things, AI has the potential to boost productivity,
                                                                  enhance customer service, and save costs, but small businesses
                                                                  must learn to use and manage AI tools effectively. If they don’t, it
                                                                  can backfire and cause serious problems. We all heard the story of
                                                                  the Chevy dealership in Watsonville, California, that deployed an
                                                                  automated customer service chatbot that was manipulated into of-
                                                                  fering a Tahoe for a dollar and stating the deal is legally binding.
                                                                    As AI advances, so do the inherent risks. That is why it is impor-
                                                                  tant for SBA and its entrepreneurial ecosystem to help small busi-
                                                                  nesses make the most of this technology. And it also makes sense
                                                                  to further empower the national network of SBDCs to guide and
                                                                  train small businesses for the future. I urge my colleagues to vote
                                                                  yes.
                                                                    I yield back my time.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back, and thank
                                                                  you.




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                                                                     And I now recognize myself to speak in support of this legisla-
                                                                  tion.
                                                                     Evolving artificial intelligence tools are transforming the busi-
                                                                  ness world and reshaping how entrepreneurs and small businesses
                                                                  operate and compete. While larger corporations are already har-
                                                                  nessing new technologies, many small businesses are struggling to
                                                                  help keep up due to limited resources, lack of training, and con-
                                                                  cerns about cybersecurity. But the AI for Main Street Act address-
                                                                  es this gap by directing the SBA Small Business Development Cen-
                                                                  ters to provide training, coaching, and ongoing support for inte-
                                                                  grating AI responsibility into small business.
                                                                     SBDCs are a crucial public-private partnership that operate in
                                                                  every state to assist all small businesses, whether they are just
                                                                  starting or fully established. Ensuring that these resource partners
                                                                  can provide AI education will give small businesses the proper tools
                                                                  and safeguards to compete in today’s economy. As AI becomes an
                                                                  integral driver of productivity and competitiveness across the econ-
                                                                  omy, small businesses must not be left behind. Technology won’t
                                                                  wait for small business to catch up and Congress must help bridge
                                                                  that gap to help close the innovation divide.
                                                                     I urge my colleagues to vote yes on H.R. 5764, and I yield back.
                                                                     Does anyone wish to offer an amendment?
                                                                     Okay. Seeing none, the question now occurs in the adoption of
                                                                  the substitute amendment offered to H.R. 5764 by Mr. Alford.
                                                                     All those in favor, say aye.
                                                                     All those opposed, say no.
                                                                     In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and the amendment
                                                                  in the nature of a substitute to H.R. 5764 is adopted.
                                                                     The question is now on favorably reporting H.R. 5764, as amend-
                                                                  ed, to the House.
                                                                     All those in favor, say aye.
                                                                     All those opposed, say no.
                                                                     The opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and H.R. 5764, as
                                                                  amended, is agreed to
                                                                     Mr. ALFORD. Mr. Chair?
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. For what purpose does the gentleman
                                                                  seek recognition?
                                                                     Mr. ALFORD. I request a recorded vote, please.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. A recorded vote has been requested. A
                                                                  roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee rule 13 and House
                                                                  rule XI, further proceedings on the bill are postponed.
                                                                     H.R. 5784
                                                                     The Committee now moves to consideration of H.R. 5784, the Ar-
                                                                  tificial Intelligence Wisdom for Innovative Small Enterprises, or AI
                                                                  WISE Act, introduced by Representatives Scholten and Downing.
                                                                  And the clerk will report the bill.
                                                                     The CLERK. H.R. 5784, a bill to amend the Small Business
                                                                  Act——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, H.R. 5784 is consid-
                                                                  ered as read and open for amendment.
                                                                     I now recognize the bill’s sponsor, Representative Scholten from
                                                                  the great state of Michigan, for a statement on the bill.
                                                                     Ms. SCHOLTEN. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. You are
                                                                  sensing a theme today. And I am so glad that this Committee takes




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                                                                  the inclusion and implementation of AI in the small business arena
                                                                  seriously. It is absolutely critical.
                                                                     As we know, artificial intelligence is rapidly shaping industries
                                                                  across the globe. But small businesses, who are the backbone of our
                                                                  economy, often struggle to keep up with fast-paced technological
                                                                  change. My—oops, sorry, hold on. I think I got the wrong—this is
                                                                  the AI for main street. Sorry, I was like that sounds really familiar.
                                                                  AI WISE. We can vote on that one now, too. We are on AI for main
                                                                  street—we are on AI WISE. We are on AI WISE. Yes. Okay, sorry.
                                                                  Apologies. This is when you get all these great AI bills.
                                                                     The AI WISE Act requires the SBA to create AI literacy re-
                                                                  sources tailored specifically to small businesses. Through the SBA’s
                                                                  e-learning platform, entrepreneurs and small business owners will
                                                                  be empowered with clear, actionable information on how to lever-
                                                                  age AI in their operations, whether that is through automating
                                                                  tasks, improving customer service, or making smarter decisions
                                                                  using data.
                                                                     According to the U.S. Census Bureau, nearly one in four busi-
                                                                  nesses do not know whether they will use AI in production within
                                                                  the next 6 months. They just don’t know if it is going to be a part
                                                                  of their business or not. That is untenable in a rapidly evolving
                                                                  technological landscape where small businesses cannot afford to be
                                                                  left behind. This bill will level the technological playing field for
                                                                  small businesses, providing them the tools they need to thrive in
                                                                  an ever-changing global economy.
                                                                     AI isn’t just for the tech giants. It is for everyone, especially
                                                                  small businesses. Whether we are talking about a local bakery, a
                                                                  landscaping company, or a digital startup, AI has the potential to
                                                                  increase productivity, reduce costs, and open up new growth oppor-
                                                                  tunities. The AI WISE Act gives our small businesses the knowl-
                                                                  edge they need to embrace AI and remain the top job creators in
                                                                  our country.
                                                                     I want to express my gratitude to Congressman Downing for join-
                                                                  ing me in leading this bill. And I ask unanimous consent to insert
                                                                  into the record letters of support for the AI WISE Act from Intuit
                                                                  and OpenAI. I urge all of my colleagues to support the AI WISE
                                                                  Act. The future of our economy depends on helping small busi-
                                                                  nesses harness the power of emerging technologies like AI and this
                                                                  bill will help make that a reality.
                                                                     I yield the remainder of my time.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, we will accept your pa-
                                                                  pers.
                                                                     I now recognize Representative Downing from the great state of
                                                                  Montana for a statement on the bill.
                                                                     Mr. DOWNING. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you to
                                                                  my colleague, Representative Scholten, for the work on this bill.
                                                                     You know, over the course of the last several years, we have seen
                                                                  incredible advancements in the development of AI technology. AI
                                                                  capabilities, like machine learning, language processing, these will
                                                                  play a critical role in our economy moving forward. Businesses
                                                                  across our country are rapidly incorporating AI to streamline key
                                                                  operations, like workforce recruitment, marketing, strategy devel-
                                                                  opment. However, like any emerging technology, businesses with
                                                                  substantial and stable access to capital tend to be better positioned




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                                                                  for technology adoption and dealing with its ramifications. Small
                                                                  businesses, on the other hand, including businesses in rural com-
                                                                  munities like in my home district of central and eastern Montana,
                                                                  often lack the resources and information needed to facilitate tech-
                                                                  nology adoption.
                                                                    Now, according to a 2025 report from the U.S. Chamber of Com-
                                                                  merce, 59 percent of Montana small businesses have adopted AI
                                                                  into their operations. While this figure is significant, it pales in
                                                                  comparison to the near universal adoption of AI that we have seen
                                                                  with Fortune 500 companies. This is why I am proud to co-lead
                                                                  H.R. 5784, the AI WISE Act, with my colleague Representative
                                                                  Scholten.
                                                                    The AI WISE Act directs SBA to establish educational resources
                                                                  on AI for small businesses through its online learning program. In
                                                                  doing so, this legislation seeks to provide small businesses with the
                                                                  technical and practical knowledge needed in order to best navigate
                                                                  AI adoption.
                                                                    To assemble this information, this legislation directs the SBA to
                                                                  work in coordination with the National Institute for Standards and
                                                                  Technology, NIST, as well as an advisory working group of public
                                                                  and private sector partners. The scope of this new AI educational
                                                                  material will include resources for small businesses on how AI
                                                                  models work, best practices for coordinating with third-party pro-
                                                                  viders of AI tools, and how businesses can identify tasks that AI
                                                                  can reliably and effectively perform.
                                                                    I would like to again thank my colleague Representative
                                                                  Scholten for co-leading this legislation with me. The AI WISE Act
                                                                  will ensure SBA provides small businesses with the information
                                                                  that they will need to most effectively utilize AI to bolster their
                                                                  business.
                                                                    I urge all my colleagues to support this legislation, and, Mr.
                                                                  Chair, I yield back.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                    Are there any of the Members who wish to be recognized for a
                                                                  statement on the bill?
                                                                    Seeing none, I would like to recognize the Ranking Member to
                                                                  speak on the bill.
                                                                    Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to
                                                                  support legislation to create artificial intelligence literacy resources
                                                                  at the SBA and the resource partners. I thank Ms. Scholten and
                                                                  Mr. Downing and the numerous AI and small business stake-
                                                                  holders for working with me to develop this bill over the last 2
                                                                  years.
                                                                    I has captured the imagination, excitement, and anxiety of Main
                                                                  Street America and Congress since the launch of ChatGPT just 2
                                                                  years ago. While AI has the potential to make small businesses
                                                                  more efficient and competitive, it also has risks associated with its
                                                                  use. The AI WISE Act will empower America’s small businesses
                                                                  with the skill needed to evaluate and adopt AI in this challenging
                                                                  landscape. It requires the SBA to create an online AI literacy re-
                                                                  source for small businesses and allow their resource partners to
                                                                  build upon it with specialized and localized resources to better
                                                                  serve their communities. As AI revolutionizes our way of life, it is




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                                                                  critical to ensure small businesses are not left behind by the larger
                                                                  firms better equipped to adopt the technology.
                                                                     With that, I urge my colleagues to vote yes, and I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back. Thank you.
                                                                     And I now recognize myself to speak in support of this legisla-
                                                                  tion.
                                                                     As we talked about today, nearly half of small businesses are
                                                                  using the AI in some form, and more are exploring ways they could
                                                                  make their businesses more efficient. As AI adoption accelerates, it
                                                                  is critical that small businesses have the tools and knowledge to
                                                                  stay competitive and thrive in the free market. The AI WISE Act
                                                                  directs the SBA to establish educational resources and online
                                                                  learning tools to help small businesses understand the benefits and
                                                                  risks of integrating AI into their operations.
                                                                     This bill brings together the SBA, the National Institute of
                                                                  Standards and Technology, and AI leaders to leverage existing AI
                                                                  resources and develop educational tools that don’t just focus on the
                                                                  potential risks. It includes information about how AI could enhance
                                                                  operations, customer service, and productivity across main street’s
                                                                  businesses. The AI WISE Act puts the SBA at the forefront of
                                                                  streamlining information directly for the many small businesses
                                                                  that don’t know where to access materials they need to fully scale
                                                                  their businesses while leveraging AI.
                                                                     I urge my colleagues to vote yes on H.R. 5784, and I yield back.
                                                                     Now, does anyone wish to offer an amendment?
                                                                     Seeing none, the question is now on favorably reporting H.R.
                                                                  5784 to the House.
                                                                     All those in favor, say aye.
                                                                     All those opposed, say no.
                                                                     In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and H.R. 5784 is
                                                                  agreed to.
                                                                     Mr. DOWNING. Mr. Chair?
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman is recognized.
                                                                     Mr. DOWNING. I request a recorded vote.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman requests, a recorded vote
                                                                  has been requested. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Com-
                                                                  mittee rule 13 and House rule XI, further proceedings on the bill
                                                                  are postponed.
                                                                     H.R. 5778
                                                                     The Committee now moves to consideration of H.R. 5778, the Im-
                                                                  proving SBA Engagement on Employee Ownership Act, introduced
                                                                  by Representatives McIver and Bresnahan and Ranking Member
                                                                  Velázquez. The clerk will report the bill.
                                                                     The CLERK. H.R. 5778, a bill to direct the administrator——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, H.R. 5778 is consid-
                                                                  ered as read and open for amendment.
                                                                     I now recognize the bill’s sponsor, Representative McIver from
                                                                  the great state of New Jersey, for a statement on the bill.
                                                                     Mrs. MCIVER. Thank you so much, Chairman. And thank you
                                                                  to our Ranking Member for holding this markup today. I would like
                                                                  to speak in strong support of my bill, H.R. 5778, the Improving
                                                                  SBA Engagement on Employee Ownership Act, a bipartisan bill
                                                                  that I am proud to lead with my colleague, Congressman




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                                                                  Bresnahan, there we go—sorry for butchering that—of Pennsyl-
                                                                  vania and Ranking Member Velázquez of New York.
                                                                     Employee ownership is one of the most powerful tools we have
                                                                  to help working people build real wealth and strengthen local
                                                                  economies. When employees become owners, whether through em-
                                                                  ployee stock ownership plans or cooperatives, they share in the
                                                                  profits, have a voice in decision-making, and gain direct stake in
                                                                  the success of the business. These are concrete pathways for every-
                                                                  day people to obtain financial security and stable jobs and to in-
                                                                  crease community investment. We have seen it through data and
                                                                  through real-world stories. Programs like this help our commu-
                                                                  nities and economy.
                                                                     Employee ownership has made a difference for people like Emilio
                                                                  in my district at the Urban Agriculture Cooperative in Newark,
                                                                  New Jersey. The Urban Agriculture Cooperative operates a food
                                                                  hub, distributing healthy New Jersey products through farmers
                                                                  markets and wholesale. Most recently, they provided high-quality,
                                                                  local-grown produce to families in need during the SNAP crisis. As
                                                                  a cooperative, like those my bill would further support, they help
                                                                  employees build retirement savings and keep businesses rooted in
                                                                  the neighborhoods they serve. Employee owners like Emilio give so
                                                                  much to their workplace and with this model, they get something
                                                                  positive in return.
                                                                     Yet for far too long, the Small Business Administration has not
                                                                  met its obligation to support these models. Despite the proven ben-
                                                                  efits of ESOPs and cooperatives, SBA lending programs, especially
                                                                  the flagship 7(a) program, have reached only a tiny fraction of em-
                                                                  ployee-owned businesses. In fact, over the last several years, the
                                                                  SBA approved just five 7(a) loans for SOPs or ESOPs and fewer
                                                                  than 100 for cooperatives, serving only a silver of the thousands of
                                                                  employees—a sliver, excuse me, serving only a sliver of the thou-
                                                                  sands of employee-owned businesses operating nationwide. That is
                                                                  not because the models don’t work. It is because the federal govern-
                                                                  ment has not kept up with the growing demand of broad-based
                                                                  ownership.
                                                                     My bill changes that. The Improving SBA Engagement on Em-
                                                                  ployee Ownership Act ensures that the SBA finally does its job to
                                                                  support employee-owned businesses. It requires the agency to show
                                                                  up consistently and at the highest levels in federal discussions and
                                                                  about employee ownership and cooperative development. It ex-
                                                                  pands SBA outreach, especially through the SBIC program, so
                                                                  lenders, investors, and entrepreneurs understand how to use SBA
                                                                  tools to finance transitions to employee ownership. And it directs
                                                                  the SBA to finally start up the Small Business Employee Owner-
                                                                  ship and Cooperatives Promotion Program, I must need another
                                                                  cup of coffee, which Congress required 6 years ago, but has yet to
                                                                  be implemented.
                                                                     These are practical, commonsense steps that will help real peo-
                                                                  ple, the blue collar worker at a manufacturing plant trying to buy
                                                                  the business before it closes, the single mother working at a home
                                                                  care agency who wants to keep serving families in her community,
                                                                  or the young entrepreneur building a cooperative that offers good
                                                                  jobs and share prosperity for their neighbors. This bill helps them




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                                                                  access capital, receiving technical assistance, and navigate the fed-
                                                                  eral programs that exist to support them.
                                                                     Employee ownership is critical to worker dignity and shared suc-
                                                                  cess. It is about making sure workers are treated as partners, not
                                                                  just laborers, and building an economy that rewards hard work and
                                                                  not just wealth. I urge my colleagues to support this bipartisan ef-
                                                                  fort by improving SBA’s engagement with employee-owned busi-
                                                                  nesses and cooperatives. We are protecting good jobs, ensuring
                                                                  working people have a fair shot at wealth. This is how we build a
                                                                  more inclusive economy for all.
                                                                     With that, Chairman, I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                     I now recognize Representative Bresnahan from the great state
                                                                  of Pennsylvania for a statement on the bill.
                                                                     Mr. BRESNAHAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So great to be
                                                                  back. And thank you to my colleague Rep. McIver for leading this
                                                                  important piece of legislation.
                                                                     ESOPs are a proven asset to help workers become successful
                                                                  partners in their businesses. When employees share in ownership,
                                                                  they share in achievement, creating a workplace that promotes per-
                                                                  sonal investment and a group cooperation to grow a business suc-
                                                                  cessfully. That is why I am proud to co-lead the Improving SBA
                                                                  Engagement on Employee Ownership Act.
                                                                     This legislation will strengthen the Small Business Administra-
                                                                  tion’s ability to work with cooperative and employee-owned busi-
                                                                  nesses to enrich local economies and provide business owners with
                                                                  critical assistance to preserve jobs and promote broad-based owner-
                                                                  ship. I am looking forward to seeing this bill passed through com-
                                                                  mittee, so we can continue to support the small businesses and
                                                                  strengthen their impact on our communities’ economic stability.
                                                                     And with that, I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     Are there any other Members who wish to be recognized for a
                                                                  statement on the bill?
                                                                     Seeing none, I would like to recognize the Ranking Member to
                                                                  speak on the bill.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I support H.R.
                                                                  5778, and I want to thank Representatives McIver and Bresnahan
                                                                  for their leadership on this issue.
                                                                     Employee-owned businesses are a valuable model that empowers
                                                                  workers and create strong American businesses. Employee-owned
                                                                  businesses, like ESOPs, and other common control enterprises, like
                                                                  co-ops, play a significant role in the U.S. economy. As of 2022,
                                                                  there were more than 5,500 ESOPs holding more than $1.8 trillion
                                                                  in assets and approximately 65,000 co-ops generating more than
                                                                  $324 billion in revenue.
                                                                     These businesses need the backing of the products and technical
                                                                  training that SBA provides in order to reach their full potential.
                                                                  These businesses have had only limited access to the SBA products,
                                                                  including the flagship 7(a) loan program. Technical support for em-
                                                                  ployee-owned businesses has also been limited. The SBA has ac-
                                                                  knowledged these shortcomings and during the Biden administra-
                                                                  tion began to engage with ESOPs and co-ops more directly. But
                                                                  more needs to be done. This bill will build on the progress made




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                                                                  by providing a framework for increasing engagement between the
                                                                  SBA and other executive branch agencies currently developing poli-
                                                                  cies and regulations related to ESOPs and co-ops.
                                                                     I want to thank Representatives McIver and Bresnahan for
                                                                  working on this bipartisan legislation and I encourage my col-
                                                                  leagues to support the bill. I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back, and thank
                                                                  you.
                                                                     And I now recognize myself to speak in support of this legisla-
                                                                  tion.
                                                                     For some entrepreneurs, employee ownership and cooperative
                                                                  business models can offer opportunities to empower their employ-
                                                                  ees and share the success of the company. The Improving SBA En-
                                                                  gagement on Employee Ownership Act requires the SBA to finally
                                                                  implement requirements passed in the fiscal year 2019 NDAA to
                                                                  offer information and technical assistance on employee ownership.
                                                                  It also gives the SBA a seat at the table where other agencies are
                                                                  discussing these types of business models.
                                                                     I urge my colleagues to vote yes on H.R. 5778, and I yield back.
                                                                     Does anyone wish to offer an amendment?
                                                                     Seeing none, the question is now on favorably reporting H.R.
                                                                  5778 to the House.
                                                                     All those in favor, say aye.
                                                                     All those opposed, say no.
                                                                     In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and H.R. 5778 is
                                                                  agreed to.
                                                                     Mr. BRESNAHAN. Mr. Chairman, I ask for a recorded vote.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. The gentlemen asks for recorded
                                                                  votes. It has been requested. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant
                                                                  to Committee rule 13 and House rule XI, further proceedings on
                                                                  the bill are postponed.
                                                                     H.R. 4305
                                                                     The Committee now moves to consideration of H.R. 4305, De-
                                                                  stroying Unnecessary, Misaligned, and Prohibitive Red Tape Act of
                                                                  2025, or the DUMP Red Tape Act, introduced by the Representa-
                                                                  tive Wied. The clerk report the bill.
                                                                     The CLERK. H.R. 4305, a bill to direct the chief——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, H.R. 4305 is consid-
                                                                  ered as read and open for amendment.
                                                                     The bill sponsor, Representative Wied, has an amendment in the
                                                                  nature of a substitute at the desk. The amendment has been dis-
                                                                  tributed in advance. The clerk will report the amendment.
                                                                     The CLERK. Amendment in the nature of a substitute to
                                                                  H.R.——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, the amendment is con-
                                                                  sidered as read and the substitute will be considered in base text
                                                                  for the purpose of further amendment.
                                                                     I now recognize the bill’s sponsor, Representative Wied from the
                                                                  great state of Wisconsin, for a statement on the bill and the
                                                                  amendment.
                                                                     Mr. WEID. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. After suffering through 4
                                                                  years of regulatory onslaught by the Biden administration, totaling
                                                                  nearly 1.8 trillion in new costs and requiring an additional 360 mil-
                                                                  lion hours to comply with these new regulations, small businesses




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                                                                  are desperate for regulatory relief. In response, earlier this year,
                                                                  the Small Business Administration created the Red Tape Hotline
                                                                  under its Office of Advocacy. This hotline gives small businesses a
                                                                  seat at the table to highlight the prohibitive red tape regulations
                                                                  from across federal agencies that hurt their ability to grow and
                                                                  compete.
                                                                     My bill, H.R. 4305, the Destroying Unnecessary, Misaligned, and
                                                                  Prohibitive Red Tape Act, codifies the SBA’s Red Tape Hotline. It
                                                                  also requires annual reports to Congress from the Office of Advo-
                                                                  cacy detailing the most burdensome regulations for small business
                                                                  owners and what the steps the SBA has taken to advocate on their
                                                                  behalf. This bill is a commonsense way to gather input directly
                                                                  from the people most harmed by overregulation. I urge all of my
                                                                  colleagues to support this important piece of legislation and stand
                                                                  with America’s small businesses.
                                                                     And with that, I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     Are there any other Members who wish to be recognized for a
                                                                  statement on the bill?
                                                                     Mr. MEUSER. Mr. Chairman?
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Representative Meuser, Pennsylvania,
                                                                  recognized.
                                                                     Mr. MEUSER. May I be recognized? Thank you. Thank you, Mr.
                                                                  Chairman. H.R. 4305, the DUMP Red Tape Act, I commend my col-
                                                                  league, Mr. Wied, for introducing. I do think, however, it should
                                                                  have been named the DUMP Blue Tape Act.
                                                                     Anyway, we would require—it requires the SBA Office of Advo-
                                                                  cacy to codify the Red Tape Hotline and submit an annual report
                                                                  to Congress and Administrator Loeffler. This will provide small
                                                                  businesses with an outlet to report arbitrary and unnecessary regu-
                                                                  lations, as stated, directly to Congress and the public.
                                                                     Small businesses are the backbone of the U.S. economy, gener-
                                                                  ating 44 percent of economic activity and employing over 60 per-
                                                                  cent of the workforce. Yet under the Biden administration, small
                                                                  businesses were forced to navigate a complex regulatory landscape,
                                                                  resulting in $1.7 trillion in new regulatory costs and over 300 mil-
                                                                  lion hours of paperwork. These burdens ultimately fell on small
                                                                  businesses, limiting their ability to innovate, grow, and compete.
                                                                     So the Red Tape Hotline demonstrates that the Trump adminis-
                                                                  tration and Republicans want to hear directly from small busi-
                                                                  nesses about the regulatory challenge they are facing. Unlike the
                                                                  Biden administration, we will continue delivering for small busi-
                                                                  nesses by increasing transparency, promoting pro-growth policies,
                                                                  and streamlining communications.
                                                                     I urge my colleagues to support the bill, and I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     Are there any other Members who wish to be recognized for a
                                                                  statement on the bill?
                                                                     Seeing none, I would like to recognize the Ranking Member to
                                                                  speak on the bill and the amendment.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to express
                                                                  my opposition to H.R. 4305. While this bill is less objectionable
                                                                  than other anti-regulatory bills we have considered this Congress,
                                                                  it is simply not necessary.




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                                                                     To begin with, a deregulatory hotline already exists on regula-
                                                                  tions.gov. Establishing another creates duplication and drains SBA
                                                                  resources.
                                                                     More concerning the proposal hasn’t been vetted properly. In the
                                                                  first 100-day report, Advocacy indicated there were 96 small busi-
                                                                  ness submissions. Yet despite repeated requests for more detailed
                                                                  information, Advocacy has failed to provide any specific informa-
                                                                  tion about this request. We have no way of knowing if the submis-
                                                                  sions are related to rules. They could have easily been about tariffs
                                                                  or unpaid invoices to contractors. That is why I cannot support it.
                                                                  We have no information and the bill is more slogan than substance,
                                                                  ignoring other federal actions that are harming small businesses.
                                                                     We have heard testimony that small businesses are not talking
                                                                  about regulations. It ranks near the bottom of their list of concerns.
                                                                  Inflation, tariffs, and finding good employees are some of the top
                                                                  challenges facing small businesses. Take a walk down main street
                                                                  and you will hear the same concern from small business owners up
                                                                  and down the block. The uncertainty and rising costs tied to the
                                                                  Trump tariffs are crushing their small businesses, plain and sim-
                                                                  ple.
                                                                     And to the best of my knowledge, Advocacy has not weighed in
                                                                  with the administration, which raises concerns over their lack of
                                                                  independence from the administration. I recall the many times the
                                                                  administrator from the Biden administration came here to testify
                                                                  and, you know, she was castigated, asking her if she talked to Joe
                                                                  Biden, the President, about the impact of taxes on them. Well, now
                                                                  my question is, is the administrator discussing with Donald Trump
                                                                  the impact that tariffs is having on small businesses. Or healthcare
                                                                  subsidy expirations, how will that impact small businesses?
                                                                     Instead of looking for ways to address inflation, tariffs, and labor
                                                                  shortages, this bill is narrowly drafted to focus on rolling back
                                                                  rules that protect our health, environment, and safety. Turning to
                                                                  the specifics, the bill lacks adequate reporting mechanisms to iden-
                                                                  tify who is making the submissions, leaving it vulnerable to abuse.
                                                                  Advocacy has come under fire for doing the bidding of big busi-
                                                                  nesses in the past, and they are not reporting a requirement in this
                                                                  bill to distinguish between a small business, trade association, or
                                                                  law firm. And the bill focuses only on the cost of regulations, not
                                                                  the benefits, which is only one-half of the equation.
                                                                     We need to look at both sides of the ledger, and by doing so, we
                                                                  will see that the benefits of the rule greatly outweigh the costs. For
                                                                  this reason, I plan to oppose the bill.
                                                                     With that said, if we can get the specific information from Advo-
                                                                  cacy as to what small businesses are actually submitting on the
                                                                  hotline and a better understanding of the mechanics of the hotline
                                                                  to ensure independence between SBA and Advocacy, I may be then
                                                                  willing to work with you on this bill.
                                                                     I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                     Are there any other Members who wish to be recognized for a
                                                                  statement on the bill?
                                                                     Mr. STAUBER. Mr. Chair?
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Recognized.




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                                                                     Mr. STAUBER. Thank you very much. I support this bill. I think
                                                                  the intentions are pure.
                                                                     And whenever we have had witnesses in this Committee, we
                                                                  have asked how many of you want more bureaucrat issues, more
                                                                  regulations, more rules, more redundancy, more impact on small
                                                                  businesses? Every one of them said the federal government, stay off
                                                                  our backs, get out of our pockets, let us live the American dream
                                                                  and work in our communities. Mr. Wied understands that in his
                                                                  town of Wisconsin. I understand that in northern Minnesota. This
                                                                  bill is a very good bill. It is a good start to make sure that they
                                                                  have the opportunity to succeed.
                                                                     And the gentlelady, the Ranker, talks about, you know, asking
                                                                  small businesses beforehand. Well, I say the Unaffordable Care
                                                                  Act, you never ask small businesses. They are damaged because of
                                                                  that.
                                                                     Mr. Wied, this is a very good piece of legislation and I support
                                                                  it. I commend you for bringing it up. This is what the small busi-
                                                                  ness is for, to make sure that the men and women across this na-
                                                                  tion who risk everything to succeed.
                                                                     This is one of those pieces of legislation that I am in favor of,
                                                                  and I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     I now recognize myself to speak in support of this legislation.
                                                                     H.R. 4305, the DUMP Red Tape Act, codifies the Red Tape Hot-
                                                                  line launched by the SBA Office of Advocacy on March 10, 2025.
                                                                  The hotline gives small businesses a direct line to SBA Advocacy
                                                                  to report burdensome regulations that are holding them back and
                                                                  further enhances our ability to combat job-crushing red tape by re-
                                                                  quiring the Office of Advocacy to bring this feedback straight to
                                                                  Congress. And by empowering small business to speak up to fed-
                                                                  eral agencies accountable, this bill will strengthen our commitment
                                                                  to pro-growth, pro-innovation economy. It is necessary to get the
                                                                  government out of the way so that our small business owners can
                                                                  do what they do best.
                                                                     I urge my colleagues to vote yes on H.R. 4305, and I yield back.
                                                                     Now, does anyone wish to offer an amendment?
                                                                     Mr. CISNEROS. Mr. Chairman?
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. So moved. You are recognized.
                                                                     Mr. CISNEROS. I have an amendment at the desk.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. There is an amendment at the
                                                                  desk. We will briefly pause while staff distributes the amendment.
                                                                     Okay. The clerk will report the amendment.
                                                                     The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature of a
                                                                  substitute to H.R. 43——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, the amendment is con-
                                                                  sidered as read.
                                                                     And I now recognize the Representative Cisneros for 5 minutes
                                                                  on the amendment.
                                                                     Mr. CISNEROS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I want to thank
                                                                  you and the Ranking Member on the great bipartisan work you
                                                                  have done today on so many of these amendments.
                                                                     My amendment would build on the ability of small businesses
                                                                  and entities to not only report on potentially erroneous and burden-
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                                                                  business interests and competition. My amendment also expands
                                                                  the hotline to better listen to small business concerns on other gov-
                                                                  ernment actions that impact them, such as tariffs, healthcare, and
                                                                  immigration enforcement.
                                                                     What I hear the most from small businesses is that they need
                                                                  relief from tariffs and the uncertainty around them. If we truly
                                                                  want to support small businesses, we need to provide them with an
                                                                  avenue to express their grievances and truly hear what they need
                                                                  and to act on it. Some Members of this Committee plug their ears
                                                                  and close their eyes when tariffs are mentioned. But that is what
                                                                  small businesses are overwhelmingly sharing as their main concern
                                                                  right now. If the Office of Advocacy won’t advocate for small busi-
                                                                  nesses regarding tariffs, who else in our federal government will?
                                                                  Where can small businesses share their concerns?
                                                                     The Office of Advocacy is meant to advocate for small businesses,
                                                                  period. Assertions about their limitations are a fabrication of this
                                                                  administration and a byproduct of Project 2025. If you truly believe
                                                                  that Advocacy cannot advocate against policies like tariffs that neg-
                                                                  atively impact small businesses, then I am open to working with
                                                                  you to expand the mandate to ensure small businesses have a voice
                                                                  in government that advances their views and concerns before Con-
                                                                  gress, the White House, across federal agencies, and the courts, as
                                                                  appropriate.
                                                                     The unfortunate thing about this hotline is that we have not had
                                                                  anyone from the Office of Advocacy come to publicly testify before
                                                                  this Committee, much less share what small businesses have
                                                                  raised so far. So my amendment would require more transparency
                                                                  from the Advocacy through the information it needs to report to
                                                                  Congress. My amendment would do this by ensuring Advocacy pro-
                                                                  vides Congress information on all the government actions small
                                                                  businesses are raising, the recommendations for the actions to min-
                                                                  imize those burdens, a summary of actions taken by Advocacy, and
                                                                  a type of entity that is making no submissions.
                                                                     We all want to unleash the innovations and level the playing
                                                                  field for our small businesses. I hope my colleagues across the aisle
                                                                  will join me in supporting my amendment to ensure that our small
                                                                  businesses truly have their voices heard throughout the federal
                                                                  government.
                                                                     And I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     Is there further debate on the amendment?
                                                                     Mr. Wied, you are recognized.
                                                                     Mr. WEID. I noticed you even want to change the name of our
                                                                  bill from DUMP Red Tape Act to Cut the Burden, Keep the Bene-
                                                                  fits. Translation: Keep the red tape. But here is the thing. Small
                                                                  businesses don’t benefit from more bureaucracy. They benefit when
                                                                  we actually cut the red tape holding them back, which is exactly
                                                                  what my bill does.
                                                                     This amendment tries to capture all federal actions, including
                                                                  presidential actions, but that is far beyond the scope of the SBA
                                                                  statutory mission. The SBA’s Office of Advocacy was created to be
                                                                  the voice of small businesses in the regulatory process, not a catch-
                                                                  all for every executive or presidential action. If you expand the




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                                                                  scope of the Red Tape Hotline, you will drown out legitimate small
                                                                  business concerns in a sea of unrelated political disputes.
                                                                     Ironically, this amendment adds layers of bureaucracy by requir-
                                                                  ing SBA to track and report on presidential action, something out-
                                                                  side its expertise. That means more paperwork, more delays, and
                                                                  fewer resources devoted to actually helping small businesses. Our
                                                                  bill is about streamlining, not expanding government paperwork.
                                                                     I urge my colleagues to vote no on this amendment.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     Is there any further debate on the amendment?
                                                                     Okay. The Ranking Member?
                                                                     Mrs. MCIVER. Chairman?
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Yes, ma’am.
                                                                     Mrs. MCIVER. I would like to yield some time to my colleague.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. And Mrs. McIver, you are recognized.
                                                                     Mr. CISNEROS. Thank you, Ms. McIver, for yielding me my
                                                                  time—this time. Just to answer back, you know, to my colleague
                                                                  over there, this bill has no way of expanding red tape at all. It ac-
                                                                  tually simply, I think, helps make your bill better by requiring the
                                                                  Small Business Association, the Office of Advocacy, to actually
                                                                  come to us and report and share what they are hearing from these
                                                                  small businesses, which only helps us be more impactful in helping
                                                                  support their small businesses.
                                                                     Really, that is simply all that we are asking. And we are asking
                                                                  that they, you know, kind of broaden their scope as to what, you
                                                                  know, as to what the small businesses can report. Right? Whether
                                                                  it is tariffs, healthcare, other issues, you know, collecting this infor-
                                                                  mation and then reporting what this information is, what are they
                                                                  gathering, and bringing that to us. That in no way increases the
                                                                  amount of red tape or anything that we are asking for. We are just
                                                                  asking them to report on what is being reported to them and shar-
                                                                  ing that information with us, which helps us better help the small
                                                                  businesses.
                                                                     And with that, I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     Is there any further debate on the amendment?
                                                                     Okay. Seeing none, the Ranking Member is now recognized to
                                                                  speak on the amendment.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I lend my support
                                                                  to the amendment being offered by my colleague, Mr. Cisneros.
                                                                     The amendment will make a number of improvements to the un-
                                                                  derlying bill. First, it strengthens the legislative text by refining
                                                                  the definitions and scope to better align with Advocacy’s role and
                                                                  the requirements set forth in the Regulatory Flexibility Act. The
                                                                  gentleman said that this amendment is out of the scope of Advo-
                                                                  cacy. That is not true. So let me read the statute. ‘‘The Office of
                                                                  Advocacy should also perform the following duties on a continuing
                                                                  basis: serve as a local point for the receipt of complaints, criticism,
                                                                  and suggestions concerning the policies and activities of the admin-
                                                                  istration, including the current administration and any other fed-
                                                                  eral agency which affects small businesses.’’
                                                                     Second, the amendment allows small entities to weigh in on exec-
                                                                  utive orders and other actions being taken by the administration,
                                                                  and, more importantly, requires Advocacy to report on the actions




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                                                                  taken. This provision is particularly critical now as the Trump tar-
                                                                  iffs are generating widespread confusion and uncertainty and in-
                                                                  flicting onerous burden on small businesses. You don’t want to talk
                                                                  about tariffs and the impact that it is having on small businesses.
                                                                  You want to talk about regulations. But when you go and walk
                                                                  down the street and talk to small businesses, small farmers, they
                                                                  are all raising the issue of the impact of tariffs in their businesses.
                                                                  Surprisingly, or maybe not surprisingly, the Office of Advocacy has
                                                                  been eerily silent on this topic as well as this Committee.
                                                                     Finally, the amendment will strengthen the reporting require-
                                                                  ments and rename the bill to the Cut the Burden, Keep the Bene-
                                                                  fits Act. Advocacy will be required to report on the benefits of the
                                                                  rules, which must always outweigh the causes. Mr. Cisneros is of-
                                                                  fering a commonsense amendment. I urge all my colleagues to sup-
                                                                  port this amendment.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                     I now recognize myself to speak on the amendment.
                                                                     After only 50 days of opening the hotline earlier this year, the
                                                                  SBA Advocacy received 96 red tape hotline inquiries from small
                                                                  businesses across the country. Small businesses have been taking
                                                                  advantage of the hotline and Congress needs to ensure stability by
                                                                  codifying the hotline. We need to focus on how we can provide main
                                                                  street with the best avenues to reach regulatory relief, and that is
                                                                  through the original amendment in the nature of a substitute pro-
                                                                  vided by Representative Wied.
                                                                     I urge my colleagues to vote no on this legislation. Vote no on
                                                                  the amendment on this legislation.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Mr. Chair?
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Yes, ma’am.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. You know, you said just now that there has
                                                                  been 96 submissions. Since our side has not been given the oppor-
                                                                  tunity to look at those submissions, have you seen those submis-
                                                                  sions? Are they related to regulation?
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. We can—I mean, what we can—we can
                                                                  find out. I have not seen them. No. Okay?
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. I rest of my case.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. All right.
                                                                     The question now occurs on the amendment offered by Rep-
                                                                  resentative Cisneros.
                                                                     All those in favor, say aye.
                                                                     All those opposed, say no.
                                                                     In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it.
                                                                     Mr. CISNEROS. Mr. Chairman, I ask for a recorded vote.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. A recorded vote has been requested and
                                                                  a roll call vote is ordered, so further proceedings on the amendment
                                                                  are postponed.
                                                                     Does anyone wish to offer an amendment?
                                                                     Ms. SCHOLTEN. Mr. Chair?
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. There is amendment.
                                                                     Ms. SCHOLTEN. Yes. Mr. Chair, sorry, I have an amendment at
                                                                  the desk.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Oh, so moved. There is an amendment at
                                                                  the desk. We will briefly pause while staff distributes the amend-
                                                                  ment.




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                                                                     Okay. The clerk will report the amendment.
                                                                     The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature of a
                                                                  substitute to H.R. 4305, offered by——
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, the amendment is con-
                                                                  sidered as read.
                                                                     And I now recognize Representative Scholten for 5 minutes on
                                                                  the amendment.
                                                                     Ms. SCHOLTEN. Thank you, Mr. Chair. One of the best parts
                                                                  of the Small Business Committee is how often Democrats and Re-
                                                                  publicans can come together to solve real problems facing main
                                                                  street. Small business owners don’t cut corners to get results and,
                                                                  most of the time, neither do Members of this Committee. Unfortu-
                                                                  nately, with the DUMP Red Tape Act, Committee Republicans
                                                                  have rushed a flawed bill to solve a problem we could be address-
                                                                  ing on a bipartisan basis.
                                                                     Small businesses are the backbone of our economy. It has been
                                                                  said several times today. If there is no greater bedrock in this Com-
                                                                  mittee, it is that. And we all agree that they need support in navi-
                                                                  gating the complex web of challenges that they face every day.
                                                                  Maintaining a hotline that will help small business owners report
                                                                  some of their most significant hurdles is a good idea. It is already
                                                                  in practice and something that Democrats and Republicans can
                                                                  continue to do in a bipartisan fashion.
                                                                     The problem with today’s bill is that Committee Republicans are
                                                                  trying to codify a hotline where it seems that anyone, small busi-
                                                                  ness or not, can register a complaint. And that is because they get
                                                                  reported to Congress anonymously, and the complaint has to be
                                                                  about a specific regulation. So the real problem is individuals from
                                                                  lobbying firms, attorneys representing major businesses can reg-
                                                                  ister complaints here anonymously under the guise of being a small
                                                                  business. Large businesses themselves can come here and register
                                                                  these complaints anonymously. Is this really about helping small
                                                                  businesses or is this a suggestion box for billionaires?
                                                                     If we are going to spend taxpayer money on running this hotline,
                                                                  it is our job to make that hotline help real small businesses with
                                                                  real challenges. The DUMP Red Tape Act needs significant changes
                                                                  to meet that bar, and today I am offering an amendment to get us
                                                                  one step closer to legislation that is worthy of the small businesses
                                                                  in our districts.
                                                                     My amendment addresses a concern I hear from so many busi-
                                                                  ness owners in West Michigan. Running a business is challenging,
                                                                  and doing so in an unpredictable economic landscape is even more
                                                                  difficult. President Trump promised to lower prices starting on day
                                                                  one, but instead he has implemented a series of tariffs that have
                                                                  created chaos and real costs for entrepreneurs. As the cost of mate-
                                                                  rials have jumped across the board, small businesses have borne
                                                                  the brunt of these policies. I know my Republican colleagues have
                                                                  heard it, too.
                                                                     As currently written, the hotline under the DUMP Red Tape Act
                                                                  permits submissions on burdensome rules and regulations, but it
                                                                  does not allow for submissions on executive actions like tariffs. My
                                                                  amendment to the DUMP Red Tape Act will allow small businesses
                                                                  to submit concerns to the hotline about executive orders and proc-
                                                                  lamations relating to tariffs. We should not be afraid to receive this




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                                                                  feedback. We should not be limiting the uses of the hotline, espe-
                                                                  cially when tariffs remain one of the biggest challenges small busi-
                                                                  ness owners deal with on a daily basis.
                                                                    The Trump administration has already set up a hotline that has
                                                                  received 96 submissions. Unfortunately, we do not know what
                                                                  these submissions are about, as the Ranking Member pointed out.
                                                                  They could very well be about tariffs, rules, or nonpayment of gov-
                                                                  ernment contractors, not just burdensome regulations. This Com-
                                                                  mittee and the people that we represent deserve to know what
                                                                  those submissions are about. If we are going to pass legislation to
                                                                  make this hotline permanent, we need to ensure that it can receive
                                                                  submissions accounting for all of the very real challenges of small
                                                                  business ownership. My amendment would help to do just that.
                                                                    I urge my colleagues to support this amendment. We want to
                                                                  make this hotline work and be a real tool for small businesses to
                                                                  connect and make real change.
                                                                    I yield back the remainder of my time.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                    And is there further debate on the amendment?
                                                                    Mr. WEID. Yes.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. Representative Wied.
                                                                    Mr. WEID. As a former small business owner for my entire life-
                                                                  time up to this point, I would say the purpose of this bill is to give
                                                                  our hardworking small businesses a voice in, you know, exposing
                                                                  overbearing regulations that hurt our small businesses from grow-
                                                                  ing.
                                                                    Tariffs are a matter of national trade and foreign policy overseen
                                                                  by Congress and the administration, not the SBA. Tariffs right
                                                                  now, they are used to protect American industries, enforce fair
                                                                  trade, and respond to global imbalances in trade. They are not red
                                                                  tape. They don’t impose compliance paperwork or permitting delays
                                                                  that continue to hurt small businesses. Including presidential tariff
                                                                  actions, that would turn the hotline into a political complaint desk
                                                                  about trade policy. That undermines its credibility as a neutral,
                                                                  business-focused tool.
                                                                    Congress already has oversight mechanisms for tariffs and trade
                                                                  policy. Our bill avoids duplication by keeping the hotline focused on
                                                                  regulations. If every tariff proclamation is subject to hotline review,
                                                                  it signals to foreign competitors that U.S. trade policy is frag-
                                                                  mented and negotiable. That weakens America’s hand in trade ne-
                                                                  gotiations and could harm the very small businesses the amend-
                                                                  ment claims to protect.
                                                                    I urge my colleagues to vote no on this amendment.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                    Is there further debate on the amendment?
                                                                    Mr. McGarvey is recognized.
                                                                    Mr. MCGARVEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield my time to
                                                                  Congresswoman Ms. Scholten.
                                                                    Ms. SCHOLTEN. Mr. Chairman, most small business owners
                                                                  don’t necessarily know the difference between a regulation, a point
                                                                  of law, or the tariffs that are harming their small businesses, but
                                                                  they sure know what is impacting their bottom line. This Com-
                                                                  mittee should not be afraid to receive feedback and, further, to
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                                                                  been received. This is a commonsense amendment that would open
                                                                  this up for small business owners to be able to have the freedom
                                                                  to share with this Committee how we can best help them.
                                                                     I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Is there any further debate on the
                                                                  amendment?
                                                                     Mr. CISNEROS. Mr. Chairman? Mr. Chairman?
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Mr. Cisneros is recognized.
                                                                     Mr. CISNEROS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Look, I just want to
                                                                  address the issue we do need—the one thing that I hear from my
                                                                  small businesses in my district is just give us stability. I need sta-
                                                                  bility. But when we have a President who makes a whim on a tariff
                                                                  and raises them for Canada because he didn’t like a commercial
                                                                  that he saw during the World Series, that is no stability there.
                                                                  Right? That is not what our small businesses are asking for, and
                                                                  they need to be able to kind of make that complaint and bring it
                                                                  forward. And that is something the Office of Advocacy should be re-
                                                                  porting to us in Congress, so that we can help address these issues.
                                                                     But with that, we just want to make this bill better. Give the
                                                                  small businesses the opportunity to report what they are hearing
                                                                  and have the SBA come to us and tell us what they are hearing,
                                                                  which is, obviously, which is not happening now with the way this
                                                                  is working now.
                                                                     And with that, I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     Is there further debate on the amendment?
                                                                     Okay. The Ranking Member is now recognized to speak on the
                                                                  amendment.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I lend my
                                                                  support to the amendment offered by my colleague, Ms. Scholten.
                                                                     The amendment would allow small businesses to submit concerns
                                                                  about tariffs and require Advocacy to report on its action to limit
                                                                  the burden. The Office of Advocacy is the voice of small businesses.
                                                                  It is not limited only to complaints about regulations. It is open to
                                                                  anything that impacts small businesses. The 96 submissions to the
                                                                  advocacy hotline could have easily been about tariffs, but we don’t
                                                                  know. The Chairman doesn’t know. I just asked him. He hasn’t
                                                                  seen any of the submissions. The administration didn’t provide in-
                                                                  formation to us. So if we are here passing legislation based on what
                                                                  we hear and what the SBA wants to tell us, but not to share the
                                                                  specific information, we need to do better by small businesses.
                                                                     Tariffs, not regulations, are crushing small businesses. Small
                                                                  businesses all across the country are shouldering the costs of the
                                                                  Trump tariffs. The cost of goods is rising exponentially, making it
                                                                  harder and hard for small businesses to do what they do best: cre-
                                                                  ate jobs, innovate, and flourish. Despite promises made by the
                                                                  Trump administration to lower costs on day one, President Trump’s
                                                                  policies have inflicted pain on every sector of the small business
                                                                  economy.
                                                                     And where is the Office of Advocacy when small businesses are
                                                                  under siege? Nowhere to be found.
                                                                     I strongly support the amendment, which would allow us to get
                                                                  a better understanding of how many small businesses are con-




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                                                                  tacting Advocacy about tariffs and see if Advocacy is advocating for
                                                                  them.
                                                                     I urge my colleagues to support this amendment, and I yield
                                                                  back, Mr. Chairman.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                     I now recognize myself to speak on the amendment.
                                                                     As my colleague mentioned, the amendment is unnecessary be-
                                                                  cause the Red Tape Hotline needs to be targeted to address the
                                                                  regulatory burdens main street is feeling every day, not what is de-
                                                                  fined in this proposed amendment. I urge my colleagues to vote no
                                                                  on this amendment.
                                                                     Now, the question now occurs on the amendment offered by Rep-
                                                                  resentative Scholten.
                                                                     All those in favor, say aye.
                                                                     All those opposed, say no.
                                                                     In the opinion of the Chair, the noes——
                                                                     Ms. SCHOLTEN. Mr. Chairman, I request a recorded vote.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The Member is recognized and a recorded
                                                                  vote has been requested. A roll call vote is ordered. Further pro-
                                                                  ceedings on the amendment are postponed.
                                                                     Okay. Now, the question now occurs on the adoption of the sub-
                                                                  stitute amendment offered to H.R. 4305 by Representative Wied.
                                                                     All those in favor, say aye.
                                                                     All those opposed, say no.
                                                                     In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it. The amendment in
                                                                  the nature of a substitute to H.R. 4305 is adopted.
                                                                     The question is now on favorably reporting H.R. 4305, as amend-
                                                                  ed, to the House.
                                                                     All those in favor, say aye.
                                                                     All those opposed, say no.
                                                                     In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and H.R. 4305, as
                                                                  amended, is agreed to.
                                                                     Mr. WEID. Mr. Chairman, ask for a recorded vote.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay, we recognize that and a recorded
                                                                  vote has been requested. A roll call vote is ordered. And pursuant
                                                                  to Committee rule 13 and House rule XI, further proceedings on
                                                                  the bill are postponed.
                                                                     Now, the Committee will stand in recess subject to the call to the
                                                                  Chair. Members, please return, do we know 11:40? Please return
                                                                  at 11:40 to resume consideration of the bill on which the roll call
                                                                  votes were requested and postponed.
                                                                     [Recess.]
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. The Committee will now come to
                                                                  order.
                                                                     The Committee will resume consideration of the bills on which
                                                                  roll call votes were requested and postponed. We start with H.R.
                                                                  5763.
                                                                     The question now is on adopting H.R. 5763 and ordering it favor-
                                                                  ably to the House. The clerk will open the vote.
                                                                     [The vote was taken.]
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who have
                                                                  not voted or wish to change their vote?
                                                                     If not, the clerk will close the vote and the clerk will report.




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                                                                    The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on this vote, the ayes are 27 and the
                                                                  noes are 0.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. The motion is agreed to and H.R.
                                                                  5763 is adopted and will be reported favorably to the House.
                                                                    The question now is adopting H.R. 5788 and ordering it favorably
                                                                  to the House. The clerk will open the vote.
                                                                    [The vote was taken.]
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who have
                                                                  not voted or wish to change their vote?
                                                                    Okay. If not, the clerk will close the vote and the clerk will re-
                                                                  port.
                                                                    The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on this vote, the ayes are 27 and the
                                                                  noes are 0.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The motion is agreed to and H.R. 5788 is
                                                                  adopted and will be reported favorably to the House.
                                                                    The question now is adopting H.R. 3496, as amended, and order-
                                                                  ing it favorably to the House. The clerk will open the vote.
                                                                    [The vote was taken.]
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who have
                                                                  not voted or wish to change the vote?
                                                                    If not, the clerk will close the vote and the clerk will report.
                                                                    The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on this vote, the ayes are 27 and the
                                                                  noes are 0.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. The motion is agreed to and H.R.
                                                                  3496, as amended, is adopted and will be reported favorably to the
                                                                  House.
                                                                    The question now is on ordering H.R. 5764, as amended, and or-
                                                                  dering it favorably to the House.
                                                                    The clerk will open the vote.
                                                                    [The vote was taken.]
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who have
                                                                  not voted and wish to change their vote?
                                                                    If not, the clerk will close the vote and the clerk will report.
                                                                    The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on this vote, the ayes are 27 and the
                                                                  noes are 0.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The motion is agreed to and H.R. 5764,
                                                                  as amended, is adopted and will be reported favorably to the
                                                                  House.
                                                                    The question now is on adopting H.R. 5784 and ordering it favor-
                                                                  ably to the House. The clerk will open the vote.
                                                                    [The vote was taken.]
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any of the Members who have
                                                                  not voted or wish to change their vote?
                                                                    If not, the clerk will close the vote and the clerk will report.
                                                                    The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on this vote, the ayes are 27 and the
                                                                  noes are 0.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The motion is agreed to and H.R. 5784 is
                                                                  adopted and will be reported favorably to the House.
                                                                    The question now is on adopting H.R. 5778 and ordering it favor-
                                                                  ably to the House. The clerk will open the vote.
                                                                    [The vote was taken.]
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who have
                                                                  not voted or wish to change their vote?
                                                                    If not, the clerk will close the vote and clerk will report.




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                                                                     The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on this vote, the ayes are 27 and the
                                                                  noes are 0.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The motion is agreed to and H.R. 5778 is
                                                                  adopted and will be reported favorably to the House.
                                                                     Now, we will now vote on H.R. 4305. The question is on the
                                                                  amendment offered by Representative Cisneros. The clerk will open
                                                                  the vote.
                                                                     [The vote was taken.]
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who have
                                                                  not voted or wish to change their vote?
                                                                     If not, the clerk will close the vote and the clerk will report.
                                                                     The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on this vote, the ayes are 12 and the
                                                                  noes are 15.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The amendment is not agreed to.
                                                                     The question is on the amendment offered by Representative
                                                                  Scholten. The clerk will open the vote.
                                                                     [The vote was taken.]
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who have
                                                                  not voted or wish to change their vote?
                                                                     If not, the clerk will close the vote and the clerk will report.
                                                                     The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on this vote, the ayes are 12 and the
                                                                  noes are 15.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. The amendment is not agreed to.
                                                                     Now, the question is now, is adopting to H.R. 4305, as amended,
                                                                  and ordering it favorably to the House. The clerk will open the
                                                                  vote.
                                                                     [The vote was taken.]
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other—okay. Are there any
                                                                  Members who have not voted or wish to change their vote?
                                                                     Okay. If not, the clerk will close the vote and the clerk will re-
                                                                  port.
                                                                     The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on this vote, the ayes are 18 and the
                                                                  noes are 9.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The motion is agreed to and H.R. 4305,
                                                                  as amended, is adopted and will be reported favorably to the
                                                                  House.
                                                                     Now, if there is—okay. If there is no further business, this con-
                                                                  cludes today’s markup. I want to say I think we had a good mark-
                                                                  up. Bipartisanship is strong in this Committee, and we are getting
                                                                  things done.
                                                                     So, without objection, the Committee staff is authorized to make
                                                                  technically conforming changes and Members have 2 business days
                                                                  to file additional supplemental, dissenting, and minority views.
                                                                     I want to thank all of you for being here today. Without objec-
                                                                  tion, the Committee stands adjourned.
                                                                     [Whereupon, at 11:51 a.m., the committee was adjourned.]




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