Markup of H.R. 5424, H.R. 5265 and Other Bills (House Small Business Committee hearing, September 14, 2023)

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Transcript of the September 14, 2023 House Small Business Committee markup, Small Business Committee Document Number 118-025, of five bills. H.R. 5424, the Main Street Competes Act, concerns antitrust enforcement and small business competitiveness, and H.R. 5265 and H.R. 5425 deal with SBA rural performance and the Office of Rural Affairs. H.R. 5426 would require the SBA to link to resources for reporting suspected fraud on certain COVID-19 loans, and H.R. 5427 would bar people convicted of defrauding the government from SBA assistance. H.R. 5427 was adopted 22 ayes, 0 nays and 0 present, and the committee adjourned at 11:52 a.m.

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H.R. 5424, THE MAIN STREET COMPETES ACT;
H.R. 5265, THE SBA RURAL PERFORMANCE
ACT; H.R. 5425, TO AMEND THE SMALL BUSI-
NESS ACT; H.R. 5426, TO REQUIRE THE ADMIN-
ISTRATOR OF THE SBA TO PROVIDE A LINK
TO RESOURCES FOR SUBMITTING REPORTS
ON SUSPECTED FRAUD RELATING TO CERTAIN
COVID-19 LOANS; H.R. 5427, TO PROHIBIT
INDIVIDUALS CONVICTED OF DEFRAUDING THE
GOVERNMENT FROM RECEIVING ANY ASSIST-
ANCE FROM THE SBA

HEARING
BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
UNITED STATES
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION

HEARING HELD
SEPTEMBER 14, 2023

Small Business Committee Document Number 118–025
Available via the GPO Website: www.govinfo.gov

U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE
54–534 WASHINGTON : 2024
HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
ROGER WILLIAMS, Texas, Chairman
BLAINE LUETKEMEYER, Missouri
PETE STAUBER, Minnesota
DAN MEUSER, Pennsylvania
BETH VAN DUYNE, Texas
MARIA SALAZAR, Florida
TRACEY MANN, Kansas
JAKE ELLZEY, Texas
MARC MOLINARO, New York
MARK ALFORD, Missouri
ELI CRANE, Arizona
AARON BEAN, Florida
WESLEY HUNT, Texas
NICK LALOTA, New York
NYDIA VELÁZQUEZ, New York, Ranking Member
JARED GOLDEN, Maine
KWEISI MFUME, Maryland
DEAN PHILLIPS, Minnesota
GREG LANDSMAN, Ohio
MORGAN MCGARVEY, Kentucky
MARIE GLUESENKAMP PEREZ, Washington
HILLARY SCHOLTEN, Michigan
SHRI THANEDAR, Michigan
JUDY CHU, California
SHARICE DAVIDS, Kansas
CHRIS PAPPAS, New Hampshire

BEN JOHNSON, Majority Staff Director
MELISSA JUNG, Minority Staff Director

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CONTENTS
OPENING STATEMENTS
Page
Hon. Roger Williams ................................................................................................ 1
Nydia Velázquez ...................................................................................................... 2

APPENDIX
Additional Material for the Record:
H.R. 5424, The Main Street Competes Act (To Amend the Small Business
Economic Policy Act of 1980 to Examine how the Competitiveness
of Small Businesses is Affected by the Enforcement of Federal Anti-
trust Laws, and for other purposes) ............................................................ 22
H.R. 5265, The Small Business Administration Rural Performance Act .... 28
H.R. 5425, To Amend the Small Business Act to Enhance the Office
of Rural Affairs, and for other purposes ..................................................... 33
H.R. 5426, To Require the Administrator of the Small Business Adminis-
tration to Provide a Link to Resources for Submitting Reports on Sus-
pected Fraud Relating to Certain COVID-19 Loans .................................. 39
H.R. 5427, To Prohibit Individuals Convicted of Defrauding the Govern-
ment from Receiving any Assistance from the Small Business Adminis-
tration, and for other purposes .................................................................... 41
Minority Views - H.R. 5424, The Main Street Competes Act ....................... 45
Minority Views - H.R. 5265, Small Business Administration Rural Per-
formance Report Act ..................................................................................... 46
Minority Views - H.R. 5425, To amend the Small Business Act to enhance
the Office of Rural Affairs ............................................................................ 47
Minority Views - H.R. 5426, Require SBA to Provide an Online Method
for Submitting Report on Suspected Fraud Relating to Certain COVID-
19 Loans ........................................................................................................ 48
Minority Views - H.R. 5427, A bill to prohibit individuals convicted of
defrauding the Government from receiving non-disaster financial as-
sistance from the Small Business Administration ..................................... 50
The Main Street Competition Coalition ......................................................... 52

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MARKUP OF: H.R. 5424, THE MAIN STREET
COMPETES ACT (TO AMEND THE SMALL
BUSINESS ECONOMIC POLICY ACT OF 1980
TO EXAMINE HOW THE COMPETITIVENESS
OF SMALL BUSINESSES IS AFFECTED BY
THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL ANTI-
TRUST LAWS, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES);
H.R. 5265, THE SMALL BUSINESS ADMINIS-
TRATION RURAL PERFORMANCE ACT; H.R.
5425, TO AMEND THE SMALL BUSINESS ACT
TO ENHANCE THE OFFICE OF RURAL AF-
FAIRS, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES; H.R.
5426, TO REQUIRE THE ADMINISTRATOR OF
THE SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION TO
PROVIDE A LINK TO RESOURCES FOR SUB-
MITTING REPORTS ON SUSPECTED FRAUD
RELATING TO CERTAIN COVID-19 LOANS;
H.R. 5427, TO PROHIBIT INDIVIDUALS CON-
VICTED OF DEFRAUDING THE GOVERN-
MENT FROM RECEIVING ANY ASSISTANCE
FROM THE SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRA-
TION, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, 2023

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS,
Washington, DC.
The Committee met, pursuant to call, at 9:45 a.m., in Room
2360, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Roger Williams [chair-
man of the Committee] presiding.
Present: Representatives Williams, Luetkemeyer, Stauber,
Meuser, Van Duyne, Salazar, Mann, Ellzey, Molinaro, Alford,
Crane, Bean, LaLota, Velázquez, Golden, Phillips, Landsman,
McGarvey, Gluesenkamp Perez, Scholten, Thanedar, Chu, Davids,
and Pappas.
Chairman WILLIAMS. The Committee will now come to order,
and a quorum is present.
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Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare a recess of
the Committee at any time.
As required by House rules, a copy of the legislative measures
have been made available to Members and the public at least 24
hours in advance. And pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and House
Rule 11, all votes will be rolled to the end of the meeting.
I now recognize myself for opening remarks.
To put it lightly, small business across the country have faced
underserved hardship for quite some time now thanks to the Biden
administration’s misguided economic policies. It is the responsi-
bility of this Committee to be main street’s voice in Congress, and
that is exactly what we are here to do today.
Small businesses are the engines of our economy, and we need
to produce policies that will help them, not regulate them into ob-
livion like this administration is doing.
All the bills before us today have been a result of our past hear-
ings and oversight efforts from this Committee. I am proud that we
are finding solutions to hold the criminals accountable who took
advantage of small business lending programs during the pandemic
and making it easier for any American to report COVID fraud.
While our work is far from over, it is good to see us bringing new
ideas to the table that can help Main Street America.
Additionally, I am grateful for my colleagues who have brought
forward bills that address the unique challenges faced by rural en-
trepreneurs. Many of us here on the Committee continually hear
from the constituents that they did not even know resources were
available to them in rural areas.
While I am glad to see these bills being marked up today, I was
hoping we would be marking up a bill to put guardrails back on
the SBA’s flagship 7(a) lending program. Staff from both sides have
been working diligently through this complicated issue, and I am
hopeful that we will be able to come to an agreement soon that
guarantees the longevity of the 7(a) program, safeguards the tax-
payer from being exposed to unnecessary risk, and ensures the
SBA remains the lender of last resort so it will not compete with
the private sector.
In closing, I want to thank our Members for bringing these bills
up. They represent the work we do as a Committee on behalf of our
nation’s entrepreneurs and innovators. I would also like to thank
the Ranking Member and her staff for working with us to produce
bipartisan solutions for main street.
With that, I look forward to today’s markup. I yield to the distin-
guished Ranking Member from New York, Ms. Velázquez, for her
opening statement.
Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you for
holding this markup today. As always, I am committed to working
in a bipartisan manner to enact legislation that assists small busi-
nesses, as well as conduct rigorous oversight of SBA programs. I
appreciate Chairman Williams and his staff for their willingness to
work with us to bridge our differences on these bills.
Two of the bills we are considering today will review and en-
hance the Office of Rural Affairs. Two other bills will put protocols
in place to combat pandemic fraud, and one will reaffirm
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Congress’s commitment to fostering competition in the marketplace
to help small businesses grow and prosper.
I am very pleased that we are considering legislation to enhance
the Office of Rural Affairs, and I commend Mr. Golden for identi-
fying the shortcomings of the office which had laid dormant for
years. Mr. Golden worked tirelessly with both administrations to
make sure the office is actively helping rural small businesses deal
with the challenges facing them today. And I thank Mr. Alford for
his effort to strengthen services for rural businesses as well.
Over the past 3 years, this Committee has played an integral
role in examining the pandemic relief programs which helped mil-
lions of small businesses stay afloat in unprecedented times. How-
ever, we have learned through our oversight hearings that orga-
nized criminal syndicates and transnational gangs targeted these
programs and stole billions of dollars. Two of the bills under con-
sideration today will take steps to combat this fraud. We must ac-
knowledge though that they are not silver bullets and more will
need to be done. The single most important action we can take to
aid the SBA inspector general in their investigative work is to sup-
port their requests for additional funding. Anything less would
cripple the office and hinder the IG’s effort to go after these bad
actors.
I look forward to working with the Chairman in our oversight
role and hope we can work together to provide them with the re-
sources they need in the next fiscal year.
Thank you, and I yield back.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Does any other Member seek recognition
for the purpose of making an opening statement?
Okay. Seeing none, we will now move to the consideration of the
first bill.
H.R. 5424
The first bill we will mark up is H.R. 5424, the Main Street Com-
petes Act introduced by Representative Scholten and Vice Chair-
man Luetkemeyer.
Before recognizing other Members for statements, I ask unani-
mous consent for a statement from the bill’s cosponsor Vice Chair-
man Luetkemeyer to be entered into the record.
Without objection, so ordered.
I now recognize the bill’s sponsor, Ms. Scholten, for an opening
statement.
Ms. SCHOLTEN. Thank you so much. I am really excited to in-
troduce this bill today. When I wanted to serve on the House Small
Business Committee it was in large part to champion the thriving
main streets that once existed across towns like Grand Rapids,
Michigan; Muskegon; and that are still up and coming like in Mus-
kegon Heights in West Michigan in my state.
This bill will provide much needed oversight to ensure that small
businesses that make our main streets thriving centers of commu-
nity cohesion have what they need to succeed and compete. I am
looking forward to the markup today and ask all of my colleagues
to join me in supporting this important bill.
With that, I yield back the remainder of my time.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who wish
to be recognized for a statement on this bill?
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Okay. I now recognize Ranking Member Velázquez for remarks.
Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
A competitive business environment is the lifeblood of a thriving
free enterprise economy, spurring innovation, driving productivity,
and fostering consumer choice at fair prices. Unfortunately, com-
petition has been eroded for decades due to increasing concentra-
tion across many industries. Our nation’s antitrust laws were craft-
ed over the past century to safeguard the competitive landscape for
small businesses. But the limited usage since the late 1970s has al-
lowed many companies to acquire an ever-increasing market share
and exploit small businesses along the way. Whether it is small
farms and ranchers contending with seed fertilizer, or meat proc-
essing monopolies, or local retailers facing price discrimination be-
cause of big box stores, we have seen the way increasing concentra-
tion of power impacts the American dream for many small business
owners.
I applaud Representative Scholten and Representative Luetke-
meyer for working together on the Main Street Competes Act
which will work to realign the interests of small businesses and
antitrust informing agencies. It requires the Federal Trade Com-
mission and the Department of Justice to report data to the SBA’s
Office of Advocacy, which can be used to generate the report to
Congress on the state of competition in our economy. This will help
us have a better understanding of the anticompetitive issues that
small firms face and help us reaffirm our commitment to a com-
petitive economy.
Again, I thank both colleagues for their leadership on this issue
and I urge my colleagues to support this legislation.
I yield back.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Thank you.
And I now recognize myself to speak in support of this legisla-
tion.
The Main Street Competes Act will ensure small businesses are
able to compete in the marketplace against larger businesses. Com-
petition is a key tenet of capitalism. It allows consumers to choose
with their dollars between businesses that will offer the best prod-
uct, the best price or service. Without appropriate competition, in-
novation and the U.S. economy will suffer. This bill will ensure the
economic mission of the SBA aligns with the reality by explicitly
stating that the benefits to the country when small businesses are
able to compete and not forced out of business by large monopolies.
Additionally, this bill requires the Department of Justice and the
Federal Trade Commission to issue annual reports to the SBA on
how antitrust enforcement promoted competition and aided small
business in the previous fiscal year. This is a simple bill that re-
quires a report to Congress so we can conduct proper oversight on
the impact that the FTC and the DOJ actions have on small busi-
nesses.
I urge all my colleagues to support this bill. If there is no further
discussion the Committee now moves to consideration of H.R. 5424.
The clerk will report.
The CLERK. H.R. 5424——
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Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, the first reading of the
bill is dispensed with. And without objection, the bill is considered
as read and open for amendment.
Do any Members seek recognition for the purpose of offering an
amendment?
Okay. Seeing none the question is now on adoption of H.R. 5424
and favorably reporting it to the House.
All those in favor say aye.
All those opposed say no.
In the opinion of the Chair the ayes have it, and H.R. 5424 is
agreed to and ordered favorably to the house.
Okay. For what purpose do you seek recognition? Do you want
to record a vote? Okay.
A recorded vote has been requested, and a roll call vote is or-
dered.
Pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and House Rule 11, further pro-
ceedings on the bill are postponed.
H.R. 5425
Next, consideration of H.R. 5425, a bill to amend the Small Busi-
ness Act to enhance the Office of Rural Affairs, and for other pur-
poses. The next bill we will mark up is a bill to amend the Small
Business and Rural Affairs and for other purposes introduced by
Representatives Golden and Mann.
I now recognize the bill’s sponsor, Mr. Golden, for an opening
statement.
Mr. GOLDEN. Thank you, Chairman Williams.
Maine’ 2nd District is the second most rural House District in
America. Statewide, Maine is home to more than 151,000 small
businesses accounting for 99.2 percent of all businesses in the
state. It is clear that there is a need in Maine and in every state
for tailored support for rural small businesses.
There is an existing office in the SBA that is well suited to ad-
dress those needs, the Office of Rural Affairs.
The Office of Rural Affairs was created as a subsection of the
SBA in 1990 to act as a go-between for rural small businesses in
the federal government. Throughout its existence, however, the of-
fice has had inconsistent leadership and remained effectively dor-
mant. In 2019, the Trump administration, at the recommendation
of this Committee, appointed a deputy administrator for this office.
This bill would revitalize the office so it can fulfill its obligation to
rural small business owners in three main ways.
First, it would elevate the position of director of Rural Affairs to
an assistant administrator to run the office.
Second, it would require the hosting of webinars and outreach
events to increase awareness of the office’s existence and of re-
sources available to rural small businesses owners.
And third, it would create transparency by mandating an annual
report on the activities of the agency to ensure that the office
works effectively to achieve its goals.
It has been over 30 years since Congress established the Office
of Rural Affairs, which was intended to give small businesses in
rural America a seat at the table. This bill is a step in the right
direction to put SBA in alignment with congressional intent.
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I would like to thank Congresswoman Tenney, Congressman
Mann, Congressman Pappas, the Chairman, the Ranking Member,
and their staff for working with me to support the Office of Rural
Affairs. And I yield back.
Chairman WILLIAMS. I now recognize Mr. Pappas for an open-
ing statement.
Mr. PAPPAS. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
I want to thank Congressman Golden for his leadership on this
bipartisan legislation which will ensure that our rural small busi-
nesses know about the tools that are available to them. The legisla-
tion will help rural entrepreneurs by expanding the reach and stat-
ure of the Office of Rural Affairs at SBA so they can receive the
support that they need from Washington.
I am also glad to support another bill on the agenda today by
Congressman Alford of Missouri, a bill that he introduced to en-
courage effective cooperation among agencies that support our
rural small businesses.
So these bills, along with other efforts that this Committee
should continue to focus on, like expanding access to capital for
rural job creators will better ensure that the concerns of this sector
are heard and more closely considered by SBA.
One in five Americans, including almost half of the residents of
my state of New Hampshire live in rural areas, and we know that
the small businesses here have unique challenges that they face
and are just so crucial to our local economy. So I am glad that the
Committee is focused on these efforts about how to help SBA help
our rural small businesses and put a focus on their needs and hope
that all my colleagues will join us in supporting these bipartisan
bills today.
I yield back.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who wish
to be recognized for a statement on this bill?
All right. Seeing none, I would like to recognize the Ranking
Member to speak on the bill.
Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I am really
pleased to support this legislation to enhance the Office of Rural
Affairs. And I commend Mr. Goldman for his commitment and
dedication to making this office operate more effectively for rural
small businesses.
I remember one of our earliest meetings when Mr. Golden joined
this Committee where he raised this as one of his top priorities for
the Committee because the office has been largely vacant for 15
years. He worked with a group of Members to raise the importance
of outreach to rural small all businesses with the previous adminis-
tration, and they devoted resources to the office. But he did not
stop there. Knowing that the office can play an important role in
connecting rural Americans to programs and services that can aid
their businesses and communities, Mr. Golden has made it his mis-
sion to ensure that the office remains active. And today, we are
seeing the fruit of his labor.
So Mr. Chairman, I want to thank Mr. Golden and the cosponsor
for this bill, and I support the bill. And I yield back my time.
Chairman WILLIAMS. I now recognize Congressman Stauber
from Minnesota.
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Mr. STAUBER. Thank you, Chairman Williams. I will be real
brief.
I support Representative Golden’s legislation. I think it is need-
ed. It has been needed for a while. I want to commend my col-
league for bringing this forward.
Chairman WILLIAMS. All right. Thank you.
And I now recognize myself to speak in support of this legisla-
tion.
This bill seeks to enhance the SBA’s Office of Rural Affairs.
While this office was created under President Bush, it remained
largely vacant until the Trump administration. This bill turns the
existing appointed position into an assistant administrator sub-
jected to a competitive hiring process. It also expands the office du-
ties to include performing outreach and webinars to rural entre-
preneurs. Finally, it requires the office to report on its activities in
the SBA’s annual budget justification.
One thing that is abundantly clear; more needs to be done to uti-
lize existing SBA resources to better serve rural entrepreneurs.
The Trump administration’s partnership between the SBA and the
Department of Agriculture was a necessary step. This bill also re-
quires the assistant administrator be to hired through the competi-
tive process to depoliticize this office and have the consistency
needed to assist rural America.
I urge my colleagues to vote yes.
If there is no further discussion, the Committee now moves to
consideration of H.R. 5425, and the clerk will report.
The CLERK. H.R.5425——
Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, the first reading of the
bill is dispensed with. And without objection, the bill is considered
as read and open for amendment.
Do any Members seek recognition for the purpose of offering an
amendment?
Seeing none, the question is now on adoption of H.R. 5425 and
favorably reporting it to the house.
All those in favor say aye.
Mr. GOLDEN. Mr. Chair?
Chairman WILLIAMS. Yes?
Mr. GOLDEN. I would like to request a recorded vote.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. Thank you.
The CLERK. Let’s do the voice vote first, sir, and then we can
do the recorded vote. Thank you.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. All right.
So all those in favor say aye.
All those opposed say no.
Okay. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it.
Mr. GOLDEN. Mr. Chair, request a recorded vote. Thank you.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. A recorded vote has been re-
quested, and a roll call vote is ordered.
Pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and House Rule 11, further pro-
ceedings on the bill are postponed.
H.R. 5265
The next bill we will mark up is H.R. 5265, the Small Business
Administration’s Rural Performance Report Act introduced by Rep-
resentatives Alford, Pappas, Luetkemeyer, Ellzey, and Bean.
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I now recognize the bill’s sponsor, Mr. Alford, for an opening
statement.
Mr. ALFORD. Mr. Chairman, thank you so much. Happy belated
birthday to you. Ranking Member, thank you so much.
I am proud to rise today in support of my Bill H.R. 5265, the
SBA Rural Performance Report Act. I again want to thank our co-
sponsors on this, Mr. Luetkemeyer, Mr. Stauber, Mr. Ellzey, Mr.
Bean, and Mr. Pappas.
Look, small business owners face many, many challenges as we
all know, and that is especially true in rural areas. I was proud to
have Jennifer Cassaday from our district come testify right there
at that very desk right there back in July at our Small Business
Committee hearing on rural entrepreneurship. And she really
shared with us some of the challenges that other small business
owners face in these tough times. When we asked the witnesses if
they knew about the SBA’s Office of Rural of Rural Affairs they all
told us, ‘‘ We have never heard of it.’’ What the office is doing to
elevate our rural small businesses is unclear to most Americans. I
think maybe it is unclear to most of us on this Committee. How-
ever, the Trump administration took action to improve resources
for rural businesses, rural entrepreneurs, rural Americans.
Through a memorandum of understanding, the SBA and U.S. De-
partment of AG collaborated to tailor existing resources to these
very communities. But not much is still known about the outcomes
of this partnership. Ag often goes hand-in-hand with rural small
businesses, so it is very important to see what has come of the col-
laboration between the SBA and USDA. This bill will shed light on
SBA’s Office of Rural Affairs and MOU so we can better serve our
rural small businesses.
I look forward to seeing how impactful this memorandum of un-
derstanding was and how we could better utilize these resources to
reach our rural entrepreneurs.
We cannot forget about our rural small businesses, Mr. Chair-
man, and I urge my colleagues to vote yes on this important bill.
Thank you, and I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Thank you very much.
I now recognize Congressman Stauber from the great state of
Minnesota.
Mr. STAUBER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I rise today to speak in favor of H.R. 5265, the Small Business
Administration Rural Performance Report.
This administration has a blatant disregard for rural America.
For an example, in the Infrastructure bill, this president so proudly
touts rural America is defined as a population of 200,000 or less.
This is so out of touch.
Of 855 cities in Minnesota, only 59 cities even have a population
of over 20,000. Under the Infrastructure bill’s definition, there are
only two cities in the great state of Minnesota that could not apply
for these rural grants and that is Minneapolis and St. Paul. And
this does not highlight the townships that make up the rural fabric
of our state.
My friend and colleague on this Committee, Jared Golden, as
well as off-Committee Members Brad Finstad and Derrick Van
Orden and myself are looking to right this wrong.
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As for the legislation at hand, the Office of Rural Affairs is sup-
posed to play a vital role supporting small businesses I rural Amer-
ica; however, as we heard in this very Committee back in July, the
SBA and the ORA have been falling short of their responsibilities
as many of our rural small business owners that participated in
the hearing were unaware of the services SBA provides.
But truth be told, rural American once again not taking priority
does not come as a shock. It is very unfortunate. This legislation
would help ensure that the ORA is effectively carrying out its mis-
sion and would provide Congress with an ability to evaluate ORA’s
performance and direct necessary improvements.
I urge my colleagues to support this important legislation as it
will help ensure that the SBA is doing everything it can to support
small businesses in rural America.
Mr. Chair, I yield back.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who wish
to be recognized for a statement on the bill?
All right. Seeing none I would like to recognize the Ranking
Member to speak on the bill.
Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I am pleased to support this legislation offered by Mr. Alford and
the other Members who are cosponsors for the bill.
But I would also like to say that we cannot rewrite history here.
I was the Chair of this Committee when I spoke with the previous
Administrator Carranza with Mr. Golden and asked her to put
more resources into the office, which she did. Actually, today, Ad-
ministrator Guzman has appointed a director for the office. Let me
remind you; when it comes to small businesses, there is not a re-
publican or a democratic approach to it. We work in a bipartisan
way in this Committee.
So I support the bill and I yield back my time.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Thank you. And I now recognize myself
to speak in support of this legislation.
The SBA Rural Performance Report Act will create more trans-
parency between rural small business owners and the SBA’s Office
of Rural Affairs. Rural entrepreneurs are incredibly important to
the communities they serve. Their unique challenges require the
entrepreneurial spirit that makes America great. That is why this
Committee held a hearing in July to hear directly from rural small
business owners.
One thing became particularly clear in the hearing that the
SBA’s resources are not reaching rural entrepreneurs. The Trump
administration recognized this and in 2018, the SBA and the De-
partment of Agriculture entered a partnership to better promote
existing resources to rural communities. Unfortunately, this agree-
ment was left to expire earlier this year. While there is anecdotal
evidence that this partnership was successful, more detailed infor-
mation is needed to assess how Congress can improve these agen-
cies’ connection with the rural entrepreneurs. This bill will reveal
the actual outcomes of the partnership to determine steps moving
forward.
Additionally, H.R. 5265 will address the activities of the SBA’s
Office of Rural Affairs. This office was created under the Bush ad-
ministration but was largely left vacant until the Trump adminis-
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tration appointed a head. The SBA has dedicated outreach efforts
through its districts’ offices and resource partners and other stake-
holders and the Office of Rural Affairs should help guide those re-
sources to rural entrepreneurs. This bill will finally get to the bot-
tom of this office’s effectiveness through annual reporting and the
SBA’s budget justification.
I urge my colleagues to vote yes on H.R. 5265.
If there is no further discussion, the Committee now moves to
consider H.R. 5265.
The clerk will report.
The CLERK. H.R. 5265——
Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, the first reading of the
bill is dispensed with. And without objection, the bill is considered
as read and open for amendment.
Do any Members seek recognition for the purpose of offering an
amendment?
Seeing none, the question is now on the adoption of H.R. 5265
and favorably reporting it to the House.
All those in favor say aye.
All those opposed say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, and H.R. 5265 is
agreed to and ordered favorably to the House.
Mr. ALFORD. Mr. Chair?
Chairman WILLIAMS. For what purpose are you to be recog-
nized?
Mr. ALFORD. I call for a roll call vote.
Chairman WILLIAMS. A recorded vote has been requested, and
a roll call vote is ordered.
Pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and House Rule 11, further pro-
ceedings on the bill are postponed.
H.R. 5426
The next bill we will mark up is H.R. 5426, a bill to require the
administrator of the SBA to provide a link to resources for submit-
ting reports on suspected fraud relating to certain COVID-19 loans
introduced by Representatives Van Duyne and Landsman.
I now recognize the bill’s sponsor, Ms. Van Duyne, for an opening
statement.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
Just 2 months ago, this Committee heard testimony from the
SBA Inspector General where he shared that based on their esti-
mates, nearly $200 billion in potential fraudulent COVID-19 and
EIDL loans were disbursed by the SBA during the COVID-19 pan-
demic. That is money that was stolen from small businesses that
were actually in need of help. So I am glad that we are continuing
to take steps forward in combatting fraud and legislation such as
the bill in front of us that will continue that fight.
This bill would require SBA to provide a direct route to report
COVID-19 fraud straight to the OIG rather than having to go
through multiple links and websites.
I would also like to thank my friend, Mr. Landsman from Ohio,
for joining me on this important issue in helping the SBA IG Office
locate these stolen funds and recoup as much of these funds as pos-
sible.
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I urge all of my colleagues to support this legislation, and I yield
back.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who wish
to be recognized for a statement on the bill?
All right. Seeing none, I would like to recognize the Ranking
Member to speak on the bill.
Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I want to thank the sponsors for their bipartisanship and efforts
on this legislation. I support the bill and I yield back my time.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Thank you.
I now recognize myself to speak in support of this legislation.
I am proud to support H.R. 5426, which will require the SBA to
place a visible link on their website to the Office of the Inspector
General page where individuals can easily report potentially fraud-
ulent EIDL and PPP loans.
In July, Inspector General Ware testified to this Committee that
throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, the SBA distributed more
than $200 billion in potentially fraudulent loans. The inspector
general also estimates that it is more than 100 years’ worth of
work for the SBA to investigate all flags of potential fraud. Some
have argued that this bill is redundant but it is necessary to en-
sure that individuals outside of Washington can easily find where
to report suspected fraudulent activity.
In fact, yesterday, our Committee staff tried to go through the
SBA’s website to see how to report fraud and ran into complica-
tions. The ‘‘ report fraud’’ link currently on the SBA’s website,
which is found all the way on the bottom of the webpage takes you
to a site that is in Spanish. Further, the link is actually ‘‘ report
fraud’’ in SBA programs is a paragraph long with multiple links to
other sites to report fraud. This bill will ensure that reporting
fraud is simply one click away. We have a direct link now upon our
Committee website and the SBA should do the same. Reporting
fraud to the SBA should be easy for everyday Americans to do. It
is a priority of this Committee to recoup as many of these taxpayer
dollars as possible in the most timely and efficient manner. H.R.
5426 is a common sense bill that will help individuals easily report
suspected fraudulent activity and help the SBA and the OIG to
prioritize potentially fraudulent loans to investigate.
To close, I urge my colleagues to support this bill.
If there is no further discussion, the Committee now moves
to consideration of H.R. 5426.
The clerk will report.
The CLERK. H.R. 5426——
Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, the first reading of the
bill is dispensed with. And without objection, the bill is considered
as read and open for amendment.
Do any Members seek recognition for the purpose of offering an
amendment?
Okay. Seeing none the question is now on adoption of H.R. 5426
and favorably reporting it to the House.
All those in favor say aye.
All those opposed say no.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Mr. Chairman, I request a recorded vote.
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Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. A recorded vote has been re-
quested, and a roll call vote is ordered.
So pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and House Rule 11, further
proceedings on the bill are postponed.
H.R. 5427
Now, consideration of H.R. 5427, a bill to prohibit individuals
convicted of defrauding the government from receiving any assist-
ance from the Small Business Administration and for other pur-
poses.
This bill was introduced by myself and Mr. Mfume. And I now
recognize myself as the bill’s sponsor for an opening statement.
When the COVID-19 pandemic hit America, the SBA took on an
outside role in helping save our small businesses. Providing our job
creators with loans was incredibly important in saving many busi-
nesses, but there were a few guardrails which led to some amounts
of fraud. One of the main goals of this Committee during this Con-
gress has been to hold fraudsters accountable. This bill provides
common sense accountability by ensuring that people who abused
SBA’s loan programs are no longer eligible for financial assistance
from the SBA. This Committee has held several hearings in inves-
tigating the $200 billion in fraud through the pandemic relief pro-
grams, and this important legislation will hold those responsible
and accountable for their actions. There is no doubt there is more
work to be done but this bill is a great step in the right direction
to get where we need to be.
Are there any other Members who wish to be recognized for a
statement on this bill?
All right. Seeing none, I would like to recognize the Ranking
Member to speak on the bill.
Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you. And I want to thank you, Mr.
Chairman, and Mr. Mfume for this bipartisan effort, very impor-
tant legislation. I support the bill, and I yield back.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Thank you.
I now recognize Mr. Stauber from Minnesota.
Mr. STAUBER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I rise today to speak
in favor of H.R. 5427, legislation that would ensure that criminals
are prevented from taking advantage of the taxpayers.
In Minnesota, 60 people have been charged in a massive $250
million fraud scheme that exploited a federally funded nutrition
program during the COVID-19 shutdowns. These criminals sought
to enrich themselves buying luxury cars and homes while families
struggled to feed their children.
H.R. 5427 is common sense. It is simply wrong that criminals
who are convicted of defrauding the government can then turn
around and receive once again taxpayer funded assistance from the
SBA. Our government should not be in the business of rewarding
criminals.
I urge my colleagues to support this legislation. It is the right
thing to do to protect the integrity of the Small Business Adminis-
tration and to ensure that taxpayer dollars are used wisely. And
I yield back.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Thank you, Mr. Stauber.
I once again urge my colleagues to support this bill.
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If there is no further discussion, the Committee now moves to
consideration of H.R. 5427.
The Clerk will report.
The CLERK. H.R. 5427, to——
Chairman WILLIAMS. Without objection, the first reading of the
bill is dispensed with. And without objection, the bill is considered
as read and open for amendment.
Do any Members seek recognition for the purpose of offering an
amendment?
Seeing none, the question is now on adoption of H.R. 5427 and
favorably reporting it to the House.
All those in favor say aye.
All those opposed say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it.
And H.R. 5427 is agreed to and ordered favorably to the House.
Mr. STAUBER. Mr. Chair?
Chairman WILLIAMS. What do you seek recognition for?
Mr. STAUBER. Mr. Chair, I request a recorded vote.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. A recorded vote has been requested
and a roll call vote is ordered.
So pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and House Rule 11, further
proceedings on the bill are postponed.
The Committee now stands in recess subsequent to the call of the
Chair. We will resume later today at 11:30.
[Recess]
Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. The Committee will come to order.
The Committee will now resume consideration of the bills on
which roll call votes were requested and postponed.
We will start with H.R. 5424. The question now is on adopting
H.R. 5424 and ordering it favorably to the House.
The clerk will call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes aye.
Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes aye.
Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes aye.
Ms. Van Duyne?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Van Duyne votes aye.
Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye.
Mr. Mann?
Mr. MANN. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Mann votes aye.
Mr. Ellzey?
Mr. Molinaro?
Mr. MOLINARO. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Molinaro votes aye.
Mr. Alford?
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Mr. ALFORD. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Alford votes aye.
Mr. Crane?
Mr. CRANE. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Crane votes aye.
Mr. Bean?
Mr. BEAN. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Bean votes aye.
Mr. Hunt?
Mr. LaLota?
Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes aye.
Mr. Mfume?
Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. Phillips votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes aye.
Mr. Landsman?
Mr. LANDSMAN. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Landsman votes aye.
Mr. McGarvey?
Mr. MCGARVEY. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. McGarvey votes aye.
Ms. Gluesenkamp Perez?
Ms. GLUESENKAMP PEREZ. Yes.
The CLERK. Gluesenkamp Perez votes aye.
Ms. Scholten?
Ms. SCHOLTEN. Yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Scholten votes aye.
Mr. Thanadar?
Mr. THANADAR. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Thanadar votes aye.
Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes aye.
Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes aye.
Mr. Pappas?
Mr. PAPPAS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Pappas votes aye.
Ranking Member Velázquez?
Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Aye.
The CLERK. Ranking Member Velázquez votes aye.
Chairman Williams?
Chairman WILLIAMS. Aye.
The CLERK. Chairman Williams votes aye.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who have
not voted or wish to change their vote?
All right. Seeing none, the clerk will report.
The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on that vote 22 ayes, 0 nays, and
0 present.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. The motion is agreed to and H.R.
5424 is adopted and will be reported favorably to the House.
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The question now is on adopting H.R. 5425 and ordering it favor-
ably to be reported to the House.
The clerk will call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes aye.
Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes aye.
Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes aye.
Ms. Van Duyne?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Van Duyne votes aye.
Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye.
Mr. Mann?
Mr. MANN. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Mann votes aye.
Mr. Ellzey?
Mr. Molinaro?
Mr. MOLINARO. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Molinaro votes aye.
Mr. Alford?
Mr. ALFORD. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Alford votes aye.
Mr. Crane?
Mr. CRANE. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Crane votes aye.
Mr. Bean?
Mr. BEAN. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Bean votes aye.
Mr. Hunt?
Mr. LaLota?
Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes aye.
Mr. Mfume?
Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. Phillips votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes aye.
Mr. Landsman?
Mr. LANDSMAN. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Landsman votes aye.
Mr. McGarvey?
Mr. MCGARVEY. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. McGarvey votes aye.
Ms. Gluesenkamp Perez?
Ms. GLUESENKAMP PEREZ. Yes.
The CLERK. Gluesenkamp Perez votes aye.
Ms. Scholten?
Ms. SCHOLTEN. Yes.
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The CLERK. Ms. Scholten votes aye.
Mr. Thanadar?
Mr. THANADAR. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Thanadar votes aye.
Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes aye.
Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes aye.
Mr. Pappas?
Mr. PAPPAS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Pappas votes aye.
Ranking Member Velázquez?
Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Aye.
The CLERK. Ranking Member Velázquez votes aye.
Chairman Williams?
Chairman WILLIAMS. Aye.
The CLERK. Chairman Williams votes aye.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who have
not voted or wish to change their vote?
All right. Seeing none, the clerk will report.
The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on that vote 22 ayes, 0 nays, and
0 present.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. The motion is agreed to and H.R.
5425 is adopted and will be reported favorably to the House.
The question now is on adopting H.R. 5265 and ordering it favor-
ably to be reported to the House.
The clerk will call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes aye.
Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes aye.
Mr. Meuser?
Ms. Van Duyne?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Van Duyne votes aye.
Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye.
Mr. Mann?
Mr. MANN. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Mann votes aye.
Mr. Ellzey?
Mr. Molinaro?
Mr. Alford?
Mr. ALFORD. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Alford votes aye.
Mr. Crane?
Mr. CRANE. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Crane votes aye.
Mr. Bean?
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Mr. BEAN. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Bean votes aye.
Mr. Hunt?
Mr. LaLota?
Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes aye.
Mr. Mfume?
Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. Phillips votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes aye.
Mr. Landsman?
Mr. LANDSMAN. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Landsman votes aye.
Mr. McGarvey?
Mr. MCGARVEY. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. McGarvey votes aye.
Ms. Gluesenkamp Perez?
Ms. GLUESENKAMP PEREZ. Yes.
The CLERK. Gluesenkamp Perez votes aye.
Ms. Scholten?
Ms. SCHOLTEN. Yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Scholten votes aye.
Mr. Thanadar?
Mr. THANADAR. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Thanadar votes aye.
Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes aye.
Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes aye.
Mr. Pappas?
Mr. PAPPAS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Pappas votes aye.
Ranking Member Velázquez?
Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Aye.
The CLERK. Ranking Member Velázquez votes aye.
Chairman Williams?
Chairman WILLIAMS. Aye.
The CLERK. Chairman Williams votes aye.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who have
not voted or wish to change their vote?
Mr. MEUSER. Mr. Chairman?
Chairman WILLIAMS. Recognition?
Mr. MEUSER. How was my vote recorded?
The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on that vote Mr. Meuser is not re-
corded as a vote.
Mr. MEUSER. I vote aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes aye.
Mr. MOLINARO. Mr. Chairman?
Chairman WILLIAMS. Mr. Molinaro?
Mr. MOLINARO. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
How was my vote recorded?
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The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Molinaro is not recorded for a
vote.
Mr. MOLINARO. I vote aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Molinaro votes aye.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. Are there any others that want to
change?
All right. Seeing none, hearing none, the motion is agreed to
and—the clerk will report. I am sorry.
The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on that vote 22 ayes, 0 nays, and
0 present.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. The motion is agreed to and H.R.
5265 is adopted and will be reported favorably to the House.
The question now is on adopting H.R. 5426 and ordering it favor-
ably to be reported to the House.
The clerk will call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes aye.
Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes aye.
Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes aye.
Ms. Van Duyne?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Van Duyne votes aye.
Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye.
Mr. Mann?
Mr. MANN. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Mann votes aye.
Mr. Ellzey?
Mr. Molinaro?
Mr. MOLINARO. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Molinaro votes aye.
Mr. Alford?
Mr. ALFORD. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Alford votes aye.
Mr. Crane?
Mr. CRANE. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Crane votes aye.
Mr. Bean?
Mr. BEAN. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Bean votes aye.
Mr. Hunt?
Mr. LaLota?
Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes aye.
Mr. Mfume?
Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. Phillips votes aye.
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The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes aye.
Mr. Landsman?
Mr. LANDSMAN. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Landsman votes aye.
Mr. McGarvey?
Mr. MCGARVEY. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. McGarvey votes aye.
Ms. Gluesenkamp Perez?
Ms. GLUESENKAMP PEREZ. Aye.
The CLERK. Gluesenkamp Perez votes aye.
Ms. Scholten?
Ms. SCHOLTEN. Yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Scholten votes aye.
Mr. Thanadar?
Mr. THANADAR. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Thanadar votes aye.
Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes aye.
Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes aye.
Mr. Pappas?
Mr. PAPPAS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Pappas votes aye.
Ranking Member Velázquez?
Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Aye.
The CLERK. Ranking Member Velázquez votes aye.
Mr. Chairman?
Chairman WILLIAMS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Chairman votes aye.
Chairman WILLIAMS. If there any other Members who have not
voted or wish to change their vote?
Okay. Seeing none, the clerk will report.
The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on that vote 22 ayes, 0 nays, and
0 present.
Chairman WILLIAMS. And H.R. 5426 is adopted and will be re-
ported favorably to the House.
So on our last one today, the question now is on adopting H.R.
5427 and ordering it favorably to the House.
The clerk will call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes aye.
Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes aye.
Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes aye.
Ms. Van Duyne?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Van Duyne votes aye.
Ms. Salazar?
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Ms. SALAZAR. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye.
Mr. Mann?
Mr. MANN. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Mann votes aye.
Mr. Ellzey?
Mr. Molinaro?
Mr. MOLINARO. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Molinaro votes aye.
Mr. Alford?
Mr. ALFORD. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Alford votes aye.
Mr. Crane?
Mr. CRANE. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Crane votes aye.
Mr. Bean?
Mr. BEAN. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Bean votes aye.
Mr. Hunt?
Mr. LaLota?
Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes aye.
Mr. Mfume?
Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. Phillips votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes aye.
Mr. Landsman?
Mr. LANDSMAN. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Landsman votes aye.
Mr. McGarvey?
Mr. MCGARVEY. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. McGarvey votes aye.
Ms. Gluesenkamp Perez?
Ms. GLUESENKAMP PEREZ. Yes.
The CLERK. Gluesenkamp Perez votes aye.
Ms. Scholten?
Ms. SCHOLTEN. Yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Scholten votes aye.
Mr. Thanadar?
Mr. THANADAR. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Thanadar votes aye.
Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes aye.
Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes aye.
Mr. Pappas?
Mr. PAPPAS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Pappas votes aye.
Ranking Member Velázquez?
Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Velázquez votes aye.
The CLERK. Ranking Member Velázquez votes aye.
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Chairman Williams?
Chairman WILLIAMS. Aye.
The CLERK. Chairman Williams votes aye.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Are there any other Members who wish
to change their vote or who have not voted?
All right. Seeing none, the clerk will report.
The CLERK. Mr. Chairman, on that vote 22 ayes, 0 nays, and
0 present.
Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. The motion is agreed to and H.R.
5427 is adopted and will be reported favorably to the House.
Without objection, the Committee staff is authorized to make
technical and conforming changes and Members have 2 business
days to file additional supplemental dissenting and minority views.
I want to thank all of you for being here today. I just want to
say again this Committee continues to show that we can get things
done in a bipartisan fashion when others are not able to do that.
And I think that is a good thing. So I want to thank all of you for
being here today.
If there is no further business, this concludes today’s markup.
Without objection, the Committee stands adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 11:52 a.m., the committee was adjourned.]
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