Markup of: Committee Print (House Small Business Committee hearing, September 9, 2021)

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Transcript of the September 9, 2021 House Small Business Committee markup of a committee print, Small Business Committee Document Number 117-031. Chairwoman Nydia Velázquez and Ranking Member Blaine Luetkemeyer gave opening statements. The appendix carries the amendment in the nature of a substitute, the amendment roster and two amendments each from Luetkemeyer, Hagedorn, Stauber, Meuser, Tenney, Garbarino, Young Kim, Van Duyne, Donalds and Fitzgerald.

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MARKUP OF: COMMITTEE PRINT

HEARING
BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
UNITED STATES
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED SEVENTEENTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION

HEARING HELD
SEPTEMBER 9, 2021

Small Business Committee Document Number 117–031
Available via the GPO Website: www.govinfo.gov

U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE
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HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
NYDIA VELÁZQUEZ, New York, Chairwoman
JARED GOLDEN, Maine
JASON CROW, Colorado
SHARICE DAVIDS, Kansas
KWEISI MFUME, Maryland
DEAN PHILLIPS, Minnesota
MARIE NEWMAN, Illinois
CAROLYN BOURDEAUX, Georgia
TROY CARTER, Louisiana
JUDY CHU, California
DWIGHT EVANS, Pennsylvania
ANTONIO DELGADO, New York
CHRISSY HOULAHAN, Pennsylvania
ANDY KIM, New Jersey
ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota
BLAINE LUETKEMEYER, Missouri, Ranking Member
ROGER WILLIAMS, Texas
JIM HAGEDORN, Minnesota
PETE STAUBER, Minnesota
DAN MEUSER, Pennsylvania
CLAUDIA TENNEY, New York
ANDREW GARBARINO, New York
YOUNG KIM, California
BETH VAN DUYNE, Texas
BYRON DONALDS, Florida
MARIA SALAZAR, Florida
SCOTT FITZGERALD, Wisconsin

MELISSA JUNG, Majority Staff Director
ELLEN HARRINGTON, Majority Deputy Staff Director
DAVID PLANNING, Staff Director

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CONTENTS
OPENING STATEMENTS
Page
Hon. Nydia Velázquez ............................................................................................. 1
Hon. Blaine Luetkemeyer ....................................................................................... 2

APPENDIX
Additional Material for the Record:
Amendment in the nature of a substitute ...................................................... 69
Amendment Roster ........................................................................................... 159
Amendment by Hon. Luetkemeyer 1v1 .......................................................... 160
Amendment by Hon. Luetkemeyer 2v1 .......................................................... 161
Amendment by Hon. Hagedorn 1v1 ................................................................ 163
Amendment by Hon. Hagedorn 2v1 ................................................................ 164
Amendment by Hon. Stauber 1v1 ................................................................... 165
Amendment by Hon. Stauber 2v1 ................................................................... 167
Amendment by Hon. Meuser 1v1 .................................................................... 168
Amendment by Hon. Meuser 2v1 .................................................................... 169
Amendment by Hon. Tenney 1v1 .................................................................... 172
Amendment by Hon. Tenney 2v1 .................................................................... 190
Amendment by Hon. Garbarino 1v1 ............................................................... 191
Amendment by Hon. Garbarino 2v1 ............................................................... 192
Amendment by Hon. Young Kim 1v1 ............................................................. 196
Amendment by Hon. Young Kim 2v1 ............................................................. 198
Amendment by Hon. Van Duyne 1v1 ............................................................. 200
Amendment by Hon. Van Duyne 2v1 ............................................................. 201
Amendment by Hon. Donalds 1v1 ................................................................... 202
Amendment by Hon. Donalds 2v1 ................................................................... 203
Amendment by Hon. Fitzgerald 1v1 ............................................................... 204
Amendment by Hon. Fitzgerald 2v1 ............................................................... 206

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MARKUP OF: COMMITTEE PRINT

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2021

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS,
Washington, DC.
The Committee met, pursuant to call, at 10:25 a.m., in Room
2360 Rayburn House Office Building and via Zoom, Hon. Nydia
Velázquez [chairwoman of the Committee] presiding.
Present: Representatives Velázquez, Golden, Crow, Davids,
Mfume, Phillips, Newman, Bourdeaux, Carter, Chu, Evans,
Delgado, Houlahan, Mr. Andy Kim, Craig, Luetkemeyer, Hagedorn,
Stauber, Williams, Meuser, Tenney, Garbarino, Ms. Young Kim,
Van Duyne, Donalds, Salazar, and Fitzgerald.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Good morning, everyone. We are
about to start and I just would like to please ask every Member
to have your cameras on.
Good morning. A quorum being present I call this morning’s
meeting of the Committee on Small Business to order. Pursuant to
Committee Rule 13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, the Chair an-
nounces that she may postpone further proceedings today on the
question of approving the measure or adopting an amendment on
which a recorded vote is ordered.
Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare a recess at
any time. So ordered.
I would like to begin by noting some important requirements. In
accordance with the attending physician’s most recent guidance, all
Members and staff who attend this hybrid markup in person will
be required to wear masks in the hearing room. Furthermore, all
Members and staff who have not been fully vaccinated must also
maintain six-foot social distancing from others. With that said,
Members will be allowed to briefly remove their masks if they have
been recognized to speak.
Welcome to our hybrid markup. Today we will be considering the
Small Business title of reconciliation pursuant to S. Con. Res. 14,
the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2022 which
will provide $25 billion over 10 years to the Small Business Admin-
istration. As required by House rules, copies of the Committee
Print have been made available to Members and the public at least
20 hours in advance.
Small businesses are the engines that drives economic growth,
employing more than 60 million Americans. They are also the glue
that binds our communities together. They form local tax bases to
create good paying jobs and reinvest in our cities and towns. Put
simply, when they are successful our country is successful.
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Unfortunately, the COVID-19 pandemic has devastated small
businesses across the country. To build our economy back to pre-
pandemic levels and beyond, we must fully support our nation’s en-
trepreneurs. The package we are considering today will make his-
toric investments in SBA programs that go beyond just recovery
and provide long-term solutions to perennial challenges like access
to capital, entrepreneurial development, federal procurement en-
hancement, and innovation.
Expanding access to capital is this Committee’s number one pri-
ority because it promotes long-term economic growth, particularly
for the smallest of the small businesses. With that said, lending re-
ports have shown that loans under $150,000 have decreased by
more than 40 percent over the past decade. To fill those gaps in
our lending market and ensure 100 percent of entrepreneurs have
the capital they need to launch and grow their businesses, this
package provides a $4.4 billion investment in direct lending of less
than $150,000, and targeted loans of $1 million to government con-
tractors and small manufacturers.
Most importantly, SBA will continue to work with mission lend-
ers to leverage the inroads that were made over the past year to
reach entrepreneurs that have long been left behind.
Today’s package also provides more than $9.5 billion in the SBIC
program to ensure small entities with high growth potential have
the long-term capital they need to scale up. It also creates a path-
way for investing more patient capital in small manufacturers and
firms in critical industries to meet our nation’s most pressing
needs. It also expands the program’s geographic reach, investing in
companies all throughout the country rather than just the coastal
hubs.
Contracting is another fool-proof way to advance our economy. To
reverse the 38 percent decline in the number of small businesses
participating in our federal contracting programs since 2010, to-
day’s package invests more than $2 billion over 10 years to in-
crease federal contracting opportunities for small businesses. To
jump start new business development in the recovery, it provides
roughly $2 billion to create a national network of incubators and
accelerators. Whether it is the college graduate with a dream of
scaling the successful coffee business, or the STEM researcher on
the brink of a major discovery, these innovation investments will
enable gifted entrepreneurs to bring their ideas to marketplace and
accelerate their growth. Put simply, this investment in the SBA’s
core programs, capital contracting, and counseling will put small
companies on the path to a long-term success, and in turn puts eco-
nomic growth in communities across the country.
I am proud of the work our Committee has accomplished, and I
urge all Members to support this measure. I would like to recognize
the distinguished Ranking Member, Mr. Luetkemeyer, for his open-
ing statement.
Mr. Luetkemeyer, you are muted.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair. It has been one
of those mornings. I want to thank everybody for their patience
this morning, I am the reason that everybody is late. For some rea-
son my computer decided not to be able to hook up with the Com-
mittee’s computer network there. I want to thank Michael who

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worked with us tirelessly for about 45 minutes to get this done.
But we are on finally and look forward to today’s hearing.
As you know, Madam Chair, our nation’s small businesses are
working tirelessly to get back on their feet and serve their commu-
nities once again. This past year has presented challenges unlike
anything we have endured in the past. Now more than ever it is
our duty on this Committee to provide much needed relief to these
struggling small business owners in the most responsible and effi-
cient way possible.
Madam Chair, as you have mentioned time and time again in
your opening statements, the Small Business Committee is known
on Capitol Hill for working together in a bipartisan manner to
achieve real results for main street, USA. I think we can agree that
this was something we could all be proud of.
However, over the course of this past year it has become abun-
dantly clear that the Small Business Committee is no longer a
Committee of bipartisanship. The Democrats’ true colors came to
light early on in February’s markup as topics of great importance
were drafted without our thoughts or ideas. Even though Repub-
lican Members proposed commonsense amendments, we were en-
tirely blocked from engaging on the legislation.
I am here today to remind our colleagues on the other side that
there is no bipartisan outreach of any kind in the crafting of this
legislation either. No meetings, no phone calls, no Zooms, no con-
versation with the Senate or the White House, nothing at all. In-
stead, on Tuesday afternoon of a Jewish holiday that is observed
by Members and staff alike, we were given a 90-page partisan doc-
ument that we were expected to digest and vote on Thursday morn-
ing, less than 48 hours later.
I ask my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, what is the
big rush? Is this the legislation standard you really want to set?
Democrats claim to be interested in solving America’s small busi-
ness issues with bipartisan solutions, when in reality the left is at-
tempting to use that false narrative as a back door to enact their
own Bernie Sanders Socialist wish list that will change the fabric
of America forever.
The Republicans on this Committee will not stand by and allow
Democrats to top bipartisanship because they ram through $23.6
billion in partisan spending today without allowing us to come to
the table to discuss these paramount issues.
Just yesterday, Speaker Pelosi, a Democrat, said that the Demo-
crats would only pay for half of what they are spending through
the reconciliation. So, the question remains, who pays the other
half of this out-of-control monster? Middle-class Americans? Small
businesses? This is a shame and disgrace.
I would like to remind my colleagues on the other side that prior
to COVID-19 small businesses were projecting competence, opti-
mism, and job creation all around. Program policies and tax cuts
for the middle class resulted in historic unemployment levels across
the board by focusing on a smart regulatory environment combined
with lower taxes. Small businesses had the economic freedom and
opportunity to innovate and expand. The partisan path you are
taking will not help small businesses. In the end it will only kick
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This Committee must come together to allocate funding where it
is needed while ensuring American taxpayer dollars are safe-
guarded.
With that I urge my colleagues on the other side of the aisle to
take Republican amendments into serious consideration, and pro-
vide common sense, bipartisan relief to main street.
With that, Madam Chairman, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you very much. The gen-
tleman yields back. Does any Member seek recognition for the pur-
pose of making an opening statement? The gentleman from Min-
nesota is recognized, Mr. Phillips, for 5 minutes.
Mr. PHILLIPS. Thank you, Madam Chair. I move to strike the
last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized.
Mr. PHILLIPS. In my office we have a saying. It is that rep-
resentation begins with listening. That is our foremost responsi-
bility as Members of Congress.
My constituents, probably like most of my colleagues, have spo-
ken, loudly and clearly. Small business owners are still hurting and
too many are struggling to stay afloat. Congress has created nu-
merous relief funds in response to the economic fallout caused by
the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, including the Restaurant Revital-
ization Fund, the Shuttered Venues and Operators Grant Program,
and the Paycheck Protection Program, which collectively saved
thousands of businesses and countless jobs. Still, many small busi-
nesses were entirely left out or could not access much needed relief
before the funds ran out and they are now facing additional layoffs
or even closure 18 months into this pandemic, and now in the face
of the Delta variant.
As of June 30, 2021, the Small Business Administration received
more than 278,000 RRF applications totaling $72 billion in re-
quested funds, far greater than what Congress had allocated. Some
women, veteran, and minority-owned restaurants who applied were
informed by the SBA that aid was coming, only to find out later
that they would receive nothing, I repeat, nothing, due to lawsuits
filed against the program. Others who applied heard nothing at all,
only learning from news reports that money for the RRF had run
out.
Two weeks ago, Representative Angie Craig and I met with small
business owners in the Twin Cities who are part of the live events
industry, which has also been disproportionately impacted by the
COVID-19 pandemic. Many wept, literally wept, as they shared
their heartbreaking stories of their lifelong dreams and hard-
earned savings slowly slipping away as the weeks and months have
dragged on. Restaurants and gyms and live entertainment venues,
small businesses of all kinds have made it known they have been
left in the cold and they need our help.
I applaud the legislation that we are considering today. It is
going to help entrepreneurs and small business owners access cap-
ital and other vital resources, a priority that I know we all share.
Yet while the $25 billion allocated here to support small businesses
is a vital and worthy investment, I say that we can and we must
do more. That is why I am pleased to share that with the support
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Small Business Committees in the House and the Senate will soon
begin working on a targeted small business relief package to help
those industries who are still in great, and sometimes desperate,
need.
Democrats and Republicans alike understand the importance of
small businesses to our country. They are the backbone of our econ-
omy. We cannot allow our nation’s main street businesses and com-
munity gathering places to suffer when we have both the tools and
the resources necessary to keep them afloat. Too many lives and
livelihoods, not to mention the American economy, depend on the
strength of our small businesses. I look forward to working with
my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to craft a relief package
that meets the challenge of this moment.
With that, Madam Chair, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you. The gentleman yields
back. Does any other Member seek recognition for the purpose of
making an opening statement?
Ms. CHU. Madam Chair, I seek recognition.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady is recognized for 5
minutes.
Ms. CHU. Madam Chair, I move to strike the last word.
I would like to thank Chairwoman Velázquez for her hard work
on today’s legislation to fulfill our Committee’s instructions to build
back better for America’s small businesses.
We are now a year and a half removed from the start of the
COVID-19 pandemic in the U.S., and small businesses are still suf-
fering. From the start they have shouldered a tremendous burden
to keep our country safe. I am proud of the work that our Com-
mittee did to help them through this crisis, but our work is not yet
done. Despite surging cases in many parts of the country, most of
the pandemic supports that have buttressed our economy are no
longer available for small businesses. The Paycheck Protection Pro-
gram ended after disbursing $800 billion in assistance. Enhanced
unemployment benefits have expired, and programs like the Res-
taurant Revitalization Fund have exhausted their funds. A recent
survey found that nearly half of all small business owners now
have less than 3 months of cash reserves on hand, and 9 out of 10
support further federal assistance.
This need makes it clear why the Democratic majority and Presi-
dent Biden are acting boldly to pass this Build Back Better bill,
and our work on this Committee will again be essential in sup-
porting the small business economy.
This time we are looking past the COVID-19 pandemic and
building a stronger, fairer, more durable small business economy
that will lay the foundation for long-term growth and success for
everyone.
This bill touches every corner of the small business economy. It
will ensure that more underserved businesses can participate in
the robust federal contracting opportunities that will follow from
infrastructure investments, including by putting more small firms
on the path to becoming supplying contractors. It will expand the
reach of the Small Business Administration by establishing a na-
tional network of small business incubators, growing the state
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ican Affairs, world affairs, and emerging markets. It will also ex-
pand opportunities for capital investments and increase access to
government backed lending.
I am especially proud of the provisions in this legislation to ex-
pand access to capital, particularly its investment of $600 million
into the Community Advantage, or CA, program. For years I have
worked to enshrine this program, which has operated as a pilot for
10 years, as one of SBA’s core lending programs. By providing 10
years of funding for Community Advantage this bill recognizes the
tremendous success of CA at reaching the underserved businesses
that have had the hardest time accessing financing from banks and
even the SBA’s traditional 7(a) lending program.
CA is unique because it is administered not by partnering banks,
but by nonprofit, mission-oriented lenders. These are the same
lenders who stepped up to connect underserved small businesses to
the Paycheck Protection Program after they were turned away by
the big banks. Because CA lenders provide technical assistance to
their client, this funding will provide the hands-on guidance nec-
essary to help under resourced businesses grow and find success.
Of course, this is just one of the many creative new tools and
thoughtful improvements included in this bill. We are also
leveraging the Small Business Investment Company program to ex-
tend venture capital into underserved markets and improve SBIC
diversity. We are investing billions into a new direct lending model
at SBA to allow the agency to provide affordable loans directly to
the smallest businesses.
This bill will help our small business economy take the next step
to move out of crisis management and into fairer, stronger, more
durable, long-term growth so that we can truly build back better.
I support this legislation and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Does any
other Member seek recognition for the purpose of making an open-
ing statement? Seeing no other Members that wish to be recog-
nized, we will now move to consideration of the Committee Print
providing for reconciliation pursuant to S. Con. Res. 14, the concur-
rent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2022.
The clerk will report the Committee Print.
The CLERK. The Committee Print by the Committee on Small
Business providing for reconciliation pursuant to S. Con. Res. 14.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, the first reading
of the Committee Print is dispensed with. Without objection, the
Committee Print shall be considered as read and open for amend-
ment at any point.
The Chair recognizes herself to offer an amendment in the na-
ture of its substitute.
The clerk will report the amendment.
The CLERK. Amendment in the nature of a substitute offered by
Ms. Velázquez.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, the reading of the
amendment is dispensed with. Without objection, the amendment
in the nature of a substitute will be considered as original text for
the purposes of further amendment. So ordered.
I would now like to recognize myself briefly. The ANS includes
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culated to the public this past Tuesday. The changes include minor
drafting edits such as fixing definitions and updating spending lim-
its.
I would like to recognize the Ranking Member for 5 minutes for
his statement on the amendment in the nature of a substitute.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair. I rise in oppo-
sition to the legislative provisions you have outlined in your
amendment in the nature of a substitute. In short, today’s budget
reconciliation is simply more ill-advised, out of control spending on
behalf of President Biden and the Democrats.
As we have witnessed, the small business economy operates at
its best when it is free from the tethers of the federal government.
However, the programs that you are creating and amending today,
in addition to the accompanying increase in government spending,
completely contradict the purpose of small business relief. Com-
mittee Republicans have been raising red flags for months. Contin-
ued and prolonged direct federal assistance will further perpetuate
a failing artificial economy. It is abundantly clear that we must
provide small businesses with the tools they need to regain their
footing and provide for their communities and employees.
As a lead Republican on the House Small Business Committee,
I refuse to stand by and let the future of our small business econ-
omy become further dependent on Washington. Specifically, this
legislation before us today either creates or expands numerous SBA
contracting programs without the proper oversight requirements. It
is unwise for Members of this Committee to advance such pro-
grams without ensuring that American taxpayer dollars are safe-
guarded. Unfortunately, this utter lack of oversight expands be-
yond this contract and provisions. Additionally, the language di-
rects and appropriates federal dollars for services the private sector
already provides the private sector incubators and accelerators
ubiquitous across the country. The SBA should not be in the busi-
ness of duplicating or replacing those or these successful private
sector initiatives.
Not to mention the proposed funds associated with several of
these duplicative programs are astounding. They range from the
hundreds of millions to even a billion dollars. I repeat, the Demo-
crats are pushing a billion dollars in funding that duplicates serv-
ices the private sector already is successfully providing.
Moreover, this same language creates investment programs,
working groups, and outreach requirements for programs that are
already in place to serve small businesses and their communities.
With that I ask one simple question. Should $2 million from
American taxpayers go toward a working group or a program that
is already operating well? I think the answer is no. In addition,
SBA direct lending in any form must not proceed. We have docu-
mented evidence that the SBA cannot properly and efficiently un-
derwrite loans. The SBA’s COVID-19 Economic Injury Disaster
Loan program showed and continues to show, by the way, that this
agency does not provide the proper oversight of taxpayer dollars,
when you’ve got a third of the program that looks like fraudulent
dollars being disbursed, we have got a huge problem. Why do you
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Lastly, the language extends provisions from the December
COVID bill for years in the future. There is no way to know what
the small business economy will look like at that point in time. I
question this timeline put in place, and so should my colleagues on
the other side of the aisle.
Overall, I firmly believe that small businesses drive our nation
forward, but we must create an environment for them to do so.
Small business prosperity can be achieved and we can have evi-
dence that it works through pro-growth policies focusing on a
smart tax and regulatory environment. Unfortunately, both the
language in this amendment and the language that has unhinged
$3.5 trillion bill does just the opposite.
I am deeply concerned with this entire bill. Therefore, I must op-
pose this amendment in the nature of a substitute offered by the
Chair.
At this time I would like to yield to the Ranking Member of the
Subcommittee on Oversight, Investigations and Regulations, the
gentlelady from Texas, Ms. Van Duyne.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Thank you very much, Madam Chair, and
Ranking Member Luetkemeyer.
We are almost 8 months into the Biden Administration and it
has become evident to anyone watching that something is very
wrong. Just looking at our economy alone inflation is at a 30-year
high. Job report after job report fails to meet expectations. Over 50
percent of small businesses say they cannot hire much needed em-
ployees. Despite still not having spent all the funds in the last rec-
onciliation bill, we are now rushing to consider the most significant
single spending bill in our history. Even though all economic indi-
cators show that this is the absolute wrong path to choose, this
President is trying to ram through close to $6 trillion in new and
unnecessary spending this year alone.
And yet while Medicare and Social Security are quickly ap-
proaching bankruptcy and federal debt is headed past $30 trillion,
this bill fails to address any of those issues. In fact, it makes it
worse.
The tax increases in this bill will hurt millions of small busi-
nesses and stifle future investments. We had the President’s own
SBA Administrator in front of this Committee deny inflation or tax
increases have any sort of effect on small businesses or middle-
class households.
This legislative package also fails to address the fraud in the
SBA programs. Report after report has shown that SBA programs
face billions in fraud and misuse but focus on oversight, and this
package is minimal.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman’s time has expired.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. May I ask for more time, please? One more
minute.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. We have quite a few amendments to
go through, I think that during the debate on the amendments you
will have time to expand on your statement.
We will now proceed to consider pre-filed amendments in the
order listed in the amendment roster, starting with Luetkemeyer
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For what purpose does the gentleman from Missouri seek rec-
ognition? Mr. Luetkemeyer, you are muted.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, thank you. I have an
amendment at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature of a
substitute to the Committee Print.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The Ranking Member is
recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair. As I stated ear-
lier, this three and a half trillion monstrosity is a disaster for our
economy and for our small businesses. I further believe the nation
is better off without this additional reckless spending as the coun-
try’s national debt approaches 30 trillion. Further spending in the
billions must be justified and required.
Moreover, the language in this reconciliation markup props up
an artificial small business economy that is increasingly reliant on
the federal government. Congress must work to create an environ-
ment that allows main street to prosper and grow independently.
I urge my colleagues to support this amendment that would pre-
vent the federal government’s encroachment on private sector small
businesses.
I just want to conclude by saying at some point we have to real-
ize that these dollars come from someplace. We cannot keep print-
ing them. As I think my colleague, Ms. Van Duyne, just said, we
have still got money from the COVID bill back in the early part
of the year that has not been spent and yet we are trying to spend
another $3.5 trillion that we don’t have. We are going to have to
tax people, which is going to slow down the economy and kill small
businesses, to make this happen. This is insane what is being pro-
posed. It makes no sense whatsoever. It is going to decimate our
economy, it is going to decimate our small businesses, and we are
responsible. We are the Small Business Committee that should be
looking out for the wellbeing of our citizens and our small busi-
nesses.
All of us have just come off last month with our district work pe-
riods and our August recess here, going around and talking to
small businesses. They are struggling. They are struggling right
now. They need help, but they don’t need this kind of help. This
kind of help is nonsense. They need the help from the standpoint
of letting them alone. We found out what actually works with re-
gards to lower taxes and less regulation. It empowered them, they
got an economy going at a speed that was unbelievable prior to the
pandemic, and it can happen again if we just stay out of the way.
Madam Chair, my amendment does just that. It gets government
back out of the way and stops this nonsense. With that I yield back
and ask for the support of my amendment.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment? I would now
like to recognize myself.
I respectfully disagree with the Ranking Member’s amendment
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The COVID-19 pandemic shined a spotlight on SBA programs
and we learned that they were not reaching small businesses in all
communities. Over the course of the past 6 months, we held hear-
ings, listened to the experts, and this package is a result of that
hard work.
It invests in SBA capital, contracting counseling, and innovation
programs to better serve all small businesses across the country.
With regard to lending, small dollar loans have been declining
steadily. In fact, loans under $150,000 declined by about 44 per-
cent. I guess that the private market has not been doing a good job.
Loans under $50,000 declined by even more. $4.4 billion for the es-
tablishment of a direct loan program will go a long way to fill the
gaps for those small businesses that have been left behind.
Turning to contracting, the federal government is the largest sin-
gle purchaser of goods and services with nearly $600 billion in
spending each year. Yet there has been a 38 percent decline in the
number of small businesses that participate in the federal con-
tracting process. This package will provide over $2 billion to deliver
intensive training programs for small businesses with the skill and
knowledge to enter, operate, and be successful in the fair market-
place.
With regard to innovation, the bill strengthens our ecosystem by
investing over $2 billion in multiple incubators and accelerators to
help startups launch and grow their businesses, and in turn create
good paying jobs. To build our economy back to pre-pandemic levels
and beyond we must provide support to our nation’s entrepreneurs.
So, therefore, I oppose this amendment.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Yes, Madam Chairman, may I be recognized?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Would you please identify yourself?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Beth Van Duyne, Texas, 24.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Ms. Van Duyne is recognized.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Thank you. I am picking up where I had left
off. The federal government’s role is not to pick winners or losers,
but to allow the greatest opportunity for our citizens to flourish. I
agree wholeheartedly with my colleague from Minnesota, we must
do more. We must allow our small business owners to be inde-
pendent from additional government control and in charge of their
own success. Unfortunately, this bill and the actions taken by this
Administration point to a different story.
Finally, as we have consistently said, Republicans are willing to
work in a bipartisan manner to refine and improve the SBA and
work on bipartisan legislation. But yet again, Republicans are
being forced out of the process entirely.
I want to make something very clear. Democrats will own the
ramifications of this partisan effort to force through two of the larg-
est spending bills in history without considering the consequences.
But, unfortunately, it is the rest of us who are going to have to suf-
fer.
We have asked our small businesses to be resilient for the last
18 months. And yet the government has repaid their patience by
creating harmful policies that have limited their labor supply,
threatening to raise their taxes and increasing inflation. It is be-
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For these reasons I must oppose this amendment in the nature
of a substitute offered by the Chair. I yield back. Thank you.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. DONALDS. Yeah, Madam Chair, this is Representative
Donalds from Florida, 19.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. DONALDS. Thank you, Madam Chair. Look, I have to tell
you, reading this package, and I agree with the Ranking Member
and what he is trying to do. This original package is obscene. I
have never seen anything like this.
I am not talking about it in terms of being, you know, a Member
of the minority party or anything like that. I am speaking as some-
body who actually did lending with the SBA. I worked at a commu-
nity bank, I did credit underwriting for many years, I ran a credit
department. When you have to deal with SBA on the ground it
takes time. They are always late to the deal when it comes to get-
ting these deals done. They are never early, they are never on time,
they are late. Giving them significantly more dollars is not going
to speed up the process, it is only going to allow the bureaucracy
that is SBA to become even more slow and more unresponsive.
The point that was made about maybe the private sector has not
been able to do a good job lending money, the reason that is the
case is because the federal government, through regulations that
were put through in another committee, the Financial Services
Committee, more than a decade ago, have crippled community
banking in the United States. I know because I worked at one. I
was involved when a lot of these regulations started coming
through. It has crippled community banking in our country, which
actually crippled banking relationships for micro businesses and
small business across our country.
The federal government throwing more money into more pots is
not going to solve the problem of having lenders on the ground who
do not have the regulatory burden on their neck from a federal gov-
ernment that, frankly, doesn’t even know what it is doing in the
first place. That is our core problem.
If we want to talk about getting access to capital for small busi-
nesses, minority businesses, veterans’ businesses, micro businesses,
whatever classification you want to throw out there, then what is
required is us taking a look at the regulatory framework of bank-
ing overall, not dropping billions of dollars into SBA. That is not
going to solve the problem. It will make it look good from D.C.
Members of Congress will say, ‘‘oh, look, we did something.’’ But
it is not going to effectuate what actually happens on the ground.
I am not speaking about this as a legislator. I am speaking on
it as a former banker, somebody that was in the streets, that has
done the hard work, that has underwritten these small loans that
the majority party is talking about have evaporated. That is be-
cause it has been an insane regulatory environment in community
banking for the last decade. If you talk to any community banker,
and I have talked to a lot of them in the State of Florida. I had
during my time in the state legislature and my time now, they will
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This is a bad package, this is not what we should be doing. We
should be looking at regulatory reform.
I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Is there any further debate on the
amendment? Seeing none, the question is on the amendment by the
gentleman from Missouri.
I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute yourself
for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, I would like to move that
we have a roll call vote on that, please, the yeas and nays.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now we will move to consideration of Luetkemeyer’s 2v1 amend-
ment.
For what purpose does the gentleman from Missouri seek rec-
ognition?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chairman, I have an amendment
at the dais, I ask it to be read.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature of——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The Ranking Member is
recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair. Due to lack of
oversight controls and the SBA Administrator’s inability to admin-
ister many of these programs, fraudulent actors have been taking
advantage of and abused many COVID-19 relief programs. Reports
indicate that some of this funding has been sent overseas to bad
actors in poor nations.
This amendment will help us determine if American taxpayer
dollars illegally made their way to Afghanistan or individuals asso-
ciated with the Taliban. The American people deserve to know this
information.
I think it is very important that we understand where these dol-
lars are going. There are some reports out there that indicate that
some of these dollars went to the wrong people and got in the
wrong hands. I think SBA needs to report back to us exactly if this
has happened, who got it, when they got it, how they got it. If not,
that is fine, it is just another rumor that we need to put to rest.
I think it is very important that we get to the bottom of this, and
I think a report is very appropriate.
With that I urge its adoption.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Do other Members wish to be recog-
nized on the amendment?
Mr. CROW. Madam Chair, I wish to be recognized.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Colorado is rec-
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Mr. CROW. Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you, too, Rank-
ing Member Luetkemeyer. It has been a real pleasure working with
you and I appreciate our collaboration and the positive work we
have done across the aisle and with the other Members as well.
I do, however, have to respectfully oppose this amendment, I be-
lieve, on several fronts. Number one, this amendment is designed
I think to slow up or to prevent us from moving forward with a
package today that is going to be incredibly helpful to small busi-
nesses, to America, and that is going to resolve numerous issues.
We certainly do not want to have amendments that are going to
prevent this larger package from moving forward to address the
work that needs to be addressed for the American people and to
help us build back and address the crisis that continues. Frankly,
there are so many of our small businesses that need help, and that
is timely in that respect as well.
Secondly, I share your view of the need for increased trans-
parency and oversight in Afghanistan. As you know, I am a veteran
of that war and served in both the Armed Services and the Intel-
ligence Committee, and pay a lot of attention to issues of national
security, to issues of the Taliban, and, you know, we will be work-
ing with many of you to conduct that oversight in the months and
years ahead. However, this is not the proper vehicle to do that. We
have oversight mechanisms through the OIG, we have oversight
mechanisms through the Treasury Department Office of Foreign
Assets Control. There are many people and entities that are far
better suited to do that and I do not agree—adding duplicative and
unnecessary government bureaucracy and additional mechanisms
in place that would be inefficient, that would not actually achieve
that purpose but would instead achieve a purpose of slowing down
or preventing us from passing what is a terribly needed bill and
one that we are taking up today.
For all of those reasons I respectfully oppose the amendment.
I yield back, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
I ask that my colleagues oppose this amendment which tries to
derail this process today.
Is there any further debate on the amendment? Seeing none, the
question is on the amendment by the gentleman from Missouri.
I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute yourself
for the vote.
All those in favor of the amendment, say yes, aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, I would like to move for
the roll call vote of the ayes and nays on this, please.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now we will move to consideration of amendment number 3,
Hagedorn 1v1. For what purpose does the gentleman from Min-
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Mr. HAGEDORN. I have an amendment at the desk, Madam
Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature of a
substitute for the Committee Print offered by Mr. Hagedorn.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed. The gentleman is recognized for
5 minutes.
Mr. HAGEDORN. I have two amendments at the desk. If the
clerk could clarify. I think Number 1 has to do with the Congres-
sional Budget Office, is that correct? Or is this the one on the exec-
utive order? We may have numbered them and——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. We are considering 1v1.
Mr. HAGEDORN. Could you read the amendment?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. CBO, sir.
Mr. HAGEDORN. CBO, okay, thank you. I had it right. Madam
Chair, thank you for the opportunity and the amendment here. We
want to talk about the step up in basis issue that the Administra-
tion and the Committee and others in Congress are pushing.
What our amendment would do is to have the Congressional
Budget Office take a look at the proposal that is in the overall bill
that would change some of these tax implications on a stepped-up
basis has to do with the new death tax for that matter, and capital
gains that people would pay upon the death of somebody who is
trying to transfer, in this case a small business, along to someone
in their family.
I am very concerned that this will have an adverse effect on
small businesses, and if the Congressional Budget Office were to
come back with that finding, then the spending in the bill would
be rescinded for all intents and purposes.
My purpose behind that is that if we are going to put something
so draconian in play that we are going to actually hurt small busi-
nesses, and we are the Small Business Committee, then we should
start at square one. We should start over and look at this.
This is a proposal that is out there that has been done before.
Senator Max Baucus, who Chaired the Finance Committee for
many years, he talks about how this was implemented back in the
’70s and then again in 2010 and basically establishing this form of
death tax. It was so draconian that they had to go back and repeal
it very quickly because it was devastating small businesses and
farms.
I don’t think too many Members, if they get out and talk to small
businesses or some of the small business groups, have to go too far
before they find people who say that this proposal of eliminating
the stepped-up basis would just be devastating to small businesses,
to our family farmers, and others trying to carry on the business
and the farms into the future from generation to generation.
That is one of the best things we have in America, if you build
a farm, if you build a business, it is a family business, you carry
it on, and it becomes a great enterprise into the future. I don’t
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So, I would just appeal to the Committee to support my amend-
ment and to make sure that we do everything possible to look into
this and to protect our small businesses.
With that I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Ms. CHU. Madam Chair, I seek recognition.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady seeks recognition in
opposition to the amendment?
Ms. CHU. Yes.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady is recognized for 5
minutes.
Ms. CHU. I rise in strong opposition to this amendment. First of
all, it asks the Congressional Budget Office to provide analysis of
tax policy to Congress. But actually, it is the Joint Committee on
Taxation that is responsible for providing analysis of tax policy to
Congress. So, requesting the study from CBO is a pointless exer-
cise.
Additionally, any changes to step-up in basis would be within the
exclusive purview of the Ways and Means Committee. Any amend-
ment to constrain or eliminate funding in our Committee’s jurisdic-
tion based on what another committee may or may not do is a fool-
ish concession of our Committee’s responsibilities to help small
businesses.
For these reasons I oppose this amendment and I urge my col-
leagues to do the same.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Do any
other Members seek recognition on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, Congressman Luetkemeyer
seeks recognition. Move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you. I certainly support the gen-
tleman from Minnesota’s amendment. I think he is ensuring that
spending contained in this regulation package is not personal busi-
nesses.
I beg to differ with the young lady from California who thinks
that this is only something in the purview of other committees.
This is the Small Business Committee for us to look at studies or
require studies that look at the effects of other things with regards
to small businesses. We are not making any sort of change here,
any change in the law. We are looking for a study to see what the
effects of this is on small businesses, which is well within our pur-
view.
If we see that it is hurting it, then we can go on and ask the
Ways and Means Committee or whoever to kick it out. But that is
something we can use our study with to make our point. This is
the purpose of this, to look at the reason for this second death tax,
if you will, being implemented by the Administration in this mon-
strosity of a bill here.
All this is going to do is speed up consolidation of small busi-
nesses and farms. I have had a farmer come up to me and say,
look, Congressman, I bought my farm 40 years ago for $300 an
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effect, my family can’t afford to keep the farm, I lose it, my family
loses it.
The same thing with small businesses. I have had many small
business owners come up to me during this period here and begged
me not to allow this thing to happen. This is a disaster. For CBO,
which is the Congressional Budget Office, which looks at all the in-
formation with regards to these bills, to do a study, is quite appro-
priate, I think, especially when we request it as the Small Business
Committee.
So, I certainly support Mr. Hagedorn’s amendment. I think it is
very timely, and very appropriate.
With that I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment? I will recognize
myself briefly.
As the gentlelady from California has indicated, this amendment
does not take the ideal course of action. I, too, will be happy to
work with my colleagues to request a report from the Joint Com-
mittee on Taxation. With that I ask my colleagues to oppose this
amendment.
The question is on the amendment by the gentleman from Min-
nesota.
I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute yourself
for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. HAGEDORN. Madam Chair, I ask for the yeas and nays.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2. Further proceedings on the
amendment are postponed.
Amendment number 4 consideration, Mr. Hagedorn, 2v1. For
what purpose does the gentleman from Minnesota seek recogni-
tion?
Mr. HAGEDORN. I have an amendment at the desk, Madam
Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentleman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Mr. HAGEDORN. Thank you, Madam Chair, appreciate that.
Members of the Committee, this amendment was simply make sure
that the Small Business Administration could not utilize funds
moving into the future to implement President Biden’s Executive
Order No. 13985 on equity.
I think we all want equality out of SBA, we want to make sure
everybody is treated the same. But as far as President Biden’s ex-
ecutive order on equity, we still don’t know exactly what means.
Going on about 90 days ago, I wrote the Small Business adminis-
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going to reorient SBA programs in order to conform with this Biden
Administration executive order on equity? Still nothing back. So,
we do not even have an understanding from the SBA as to what
they are looking at doing, let alone how they would expend the
funds.
We have had a little bit of a taste of what equity means in SBA
programs recently with the debacle, I guess you would say, of the
Restaurant Revitalization Fund and the way that was rolled out.
The Administration and the Democrats in Congress put together a
system by which we would have a priority list that would be fund-
ed first and then we would have, you know, a group of people that
would be funded later. The priority list included, for all intents and
purposes, everybody who was not a white male restaurant or bar
owner. What happened is the priority list filled up, the money, for
all intents and purposes, expended, there was no money left. Sixty
billion dollars is needed still to fund the program and to fulfill the
needs of those other restaurant owners. That is not fair, that is not
equal. I don’t know how that is not discriminatory. I asked the Ad-
ministrator herself during one of our hearings, can you explain how
that is not really racist or discriminatory? She had no answer.
So, until we have some more understanding of what SBA would
like to do with these programs, what their policies are going to be,
I don’t think we should be funding them. And so that is the pur-
pose of the amendment, is to make sure that we do not expend any
funds out of SBA to fulfill the President’s executive order.
With that I encourage my colleagues to support the amendment,
and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Ms. CHU. Madam Chair, I seek recognition and move to strike
the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady is recognized.
Ms. CHU. I rise in strong opposition to this amendment. Not
only is this amendment bad policy, but it would undermine the
very mission of the Small Business Administration. President
Biden’s executive order does a very important thing: it directs
agencies to consult with Members of communities that have been
historically underrepresented in and underserved by the federal
government. This is a principle part of SBA’s mission and under-
pins its work on federal contracting, capital access, and entrepre-
neurial development.
Now, why is this executive order important? We all saw first-
hand the cost of neglecting underserved businesses when PPP first
launched and big banks turned away countless small businesses
from even applying. This left entire communities already suffering
from disproportionate infection and mortality rates from COVID
behind in our economic recovery. That is why we have had to set
aside for lenders to specifically work with underserved businesses
for these mission-based lenders to help these businesses. This was
a policy that passed Congress multiple times, actually on a bipar-
tisan basis, and was signed into law by President Trump.
Most importantly, these set-asides work because SBA works best
when it is proactively addressing the needs of the underserved.
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Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on this amendment?
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair, it is Kweisi Mfume of Maryland to
speak in opposition, and I move to strike to the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. MFUME. Thank you very much, Madam Chair. The execu-
tive order directs that the various agencies within the government
develop a plan to promote equity, inclusion, and accessibility. That
executive order was signed on June 25th. It will be October 20th
shortly and that is the period of time, 125 days later, that that
plan will be then submitted to the White House for consideration.
So, we are getting into the weeds in terms of presidential author-
ity and policy by trying to get in front of an executive order that
has a conclusion date for a plan to be considered, which we have
not yet met because we are still in September. I think at the very
least we ought to allow the federal agencies, by the way, and SBA
is included, who are working now together, talking together, and
convening themselves to come up with their idea of a plan to imple-
ment equity, diversion, and inclusion in different aspects of govern-
ment awards.
Now, if we do not do that, then we have just taken the guts and
the teeth out of the executive order. We have jumped in front of
a process of which we have no control. We have subverted the work
that has already taken place and is still taking place by govern-
ment agencies, and at the end of the day we still would not have
done anything meaningful in this regard except to slow a process
that is already underway.
At the very least we ought to let itself play out. Doing this now
in this bill prevents that from happening because this bill eventu-
ally will be voted on before October 20th.
I would urge strong rejection of this amendment, Madam Chair,
and I yield back the balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Luetkemeyer. I would like to speak, please.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair. I move to sup-
port the gentleman from Minnesota’s amendment that would pro-
hibit the use of federal funds to implement President Biden’s exec-
utive order. His executive order mandates a program that provides
preference based on race and identity. As a reminder, the Demo-
crats used this exact same preferential reconciliation process,
which was deemed unconstitutional by two separate state courts,
Texas and Tennessee, to create the Restaurant Revitalization
Fund.
I think the gentleman from Minnesota correctly pointed out the
problems that we have with this. I think there is a better way to
make sure that we make sure that everybody has free and fair ac-
cess to these funds and these programs, but to prioritize them goes
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nessee courts have decided, you cannot do what was proposed and
was in law, in fact, in the Restaurant Revitalization Program.
I am fearful we are going down the same road again. We have
got to find a better way to do this. In fact, if you look at the pro-
grams that SBA already has and some of the directives that are
in those programs, there is already in these programs a lot of safe-
guards to make sure these things are working. If they are not
working correctly, then we have got to go in and fix those programs
to make sure it happens because SBA’s probably not doing it cor-
rectly. I am not sure this executive order is the right approach, and
I think the gentleman from Minnesota’s got the proper way to go
about trying to fix these problems.
With that I support his amendment, and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. For what
purpose does the gentleman from Louisiana seek recognition?
Mr. CARTER. Madam Chair, I rise to vigorously oppose this
amendment.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. CARTER. I ask that the last word be struck.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman——
Mr. CARTER. This amendment prohibits any Small Business Ad-
ministration funding in this act to be used for implementation of
President’s executive order 13985. Executive order 13985 is ad-
vancing racial equity and support for underserved communities
through the federal government and strengthens the federal work-
force by promoting diversity, equality, inclusion, and accessibility.
The executive order is based on a growing body of evidence which
demonstrates that diverse, equitable, and accessible work places
yield higher performance.
My district is southeast Louisiana and it has just experienced a
devastating hurricane. We are in the process of recovering and re-
building. I am fighting to make sure that small business owners in
my community are involved in the recovery following Hurricane
Ida. They should be the ones getting paid to rebuild our commu-
nities, not some out of state business interests that don’t recognize
the value of disadvantaged businesses, African American, women,
Latina, and other—veteran owned as well. This amendment will go
directly against that. It will make it harder for our local businesses
to get involved and would keep up the history of small firms who
do the actual work, but get pennies on the dollar while often times
being offered nearly a small percentage of what it is due to close
out the account because they have waited 90, 120, or so many days
before being paid. Small businesses simply cannot operate this
way.
This amendment would ensure these individuals remain histori-
cally and systematically disadvantaged and reward big businesses
instead.
When your community is going through a tough disaster, local
small businesses should be the ones that we are able to use to help
in the recovery, not just big businesses. The need to recognize and
support our minority and small business enterprises is always
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The Administration recognizes that and this executive order is a
step in the right direction to recognize the tremendous value that
small businesses bring to our community. We watched the PPP dol-
lars whereas they came in and went out. Small businesses had to
compete with large businesses. By and large, large businesses in
most cases have accountants, lawyers, and consultants to navigate
the system and to advance while the dollars are available. In many
cases small businesses, by the time they got themselves acclimated
and prepared to apply, all the resources were gone.
Let us stand firm and send a message to the American small
business owner that we hear you and we are here to support you
in every possible way.
Madam Chair, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
I will recognize myself briefly.
I am echoing Ms. Chu’s comments. I ask that my colleagues op-
pose this poison pill amendment.
The question is on the amendment by the gentleman from Min-
nesota. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute
yourselves for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. HAGEDORN. Madam Chair, I ask for the ayes and nays.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now we will consider amendment number 5, Stauber 1v1. For
what purpose does the gentleman from Minnesota seeks recogni-
tion?
Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair, I have an amendment at the desk
please.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. STAUBER. I thank you, Madam Chair.
In the summer of 2020 civil unrest plagued cities across this na-
tion and our small businesses paid the price.
Small businesses were looted, damaged, burned to the ground
and destroyed that summer and the leaders in Washington, the
media, and some Members of this very chamber encouraged it. And
how did our local governments respond? How did they decide to re-
build their communities, to help their small businesses in their
time of need? They decided to defund the police, they reduced budg-
ets, forced officers into early retirement, and chilled recruitment.
They removed any protections the small businesses had left, all
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The local governments in big cities across this nation abandoned
small businesses. It is plain and simple.
Today, our local communities are still suffering. Crime is an all-
time high, deaths and assaults on our law enforcement men and
women are off the charts. The families who have tried to rebuild
from the damage and destruction done to their businesses are still
struggling. Arguably, it is pretty difficult to find customers when
they are worried about the next carjacking or drive by shooting
that might take their child’s life.
My amendment will require the Small Business Administration
to create a report on the number of small businesses which were
looted in the summer of 2020. It will require the SBA to note how
many of these small businesses are in communities where that
local government has decided to move protections for the commu-
nity Members and small businesses by defunding the police and
leaving those communities less safe.
It will also require the SBA to report on the status of recovery
for those small businesses looted, burned, and damaged. And I be-
lieve what we will find is that many small businesses are still
struggling to survive in those areas. That is if they have made it
already thus far.
It is high time that we understand the real effects of the defund
the police movement. I encourage adoption to my amendment.
I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
The gentleman from Louisiana is seeking recognition.
The gentleman needs to unmute.
Mr. CARTER. I am sorry, Madam Chair. That was still—my
hand was still up from the last comment, so I waive.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on this amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, Luetkemeyer from Mis-
souri would like to strike the last word and be recognized.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you very much.
I certainly support the gentleman from Minnesota’s amendment
to direct SBA to report the number of small businesses looted dur-
ing the civil unrest of 2020. I think we need to know the extent
of the damage done to the various small businesses in these dif-
ferent communities. By knowing that extent and continuing to see
this defund the police movement, we will know the exposure of ad-
ditional businesses to perhaps be damaged and come under attack
by different groups. At that point then perhaps some other meas-
ures can be taken to protect them.
I think it is our job as the Small Business Committee, which our
purview over the small businesses is to look out for their well-being
on all fronts. I think it is important that we get this done.
This gentleman in Minnesota is a former police officer himself.
He knows the kind of problems that exist in communities and can
be best able to understand those ramifications. I think this amend-
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continued risk that could be out there for our small business com-
munities.
With that, I urge the adoption of the amendment. I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do——
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair, Mr. Mfume of Maryland to speak
in opposition and to strike the last word please.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Maryland is
recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. MFUME. Thank you very much, Madam Chair.
I rise in opposition to the gentleman’s amendment. I am sure it
is well intentioned, but I think this is the wrong vehicle for it and
let me tell you why.
We could easily as a Committee, or you and the Ranking Mem-
ber, or any other Member of the Committee, request the SBA to do
that and they will follow through. I would think that the SBA prob-
ably is not the best source to get that information or to have that
kind of an overview or an investigation. I think that would be the
inspector general, of which any Member of Congress can request
and get the inspector general to provide what I would believe
would be a much more detailed set of answers to the gentleman’s
questions.
But to attach it to this vehicle, in my opinion, does the wrong
thing. It doesn’t get to the heart of the issue and it sort of
sidetracks where we’re going with this bill.
I would rise in opposition to it and urge consideration by the gen-
tleman of either a letter from the Committee seeking that informa-
tion, or a request to the inspector general from the Member him-
self, as other Members do from time to time, to request that infor-
mation.
I yield back, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Is there any further debate on this amendment?
I would recognize myself briefly.
Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair? Madam Chair, Stauber here.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Mr. Stauber, you already have spo-
ken.
Mr. GARBARINO. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Yes, Mr. Garbarino.
Mr. GARBARINO. I would like to strike the last work and yield
to Mr. Stauber.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. STAUBER. Well, thank you. It won’t take me that long.
I appreciate my colleague’s most recent comments here and I will
ask if he will commit to work with me. I am getting these numbers.
My colleague from Maryland who just spoke.
Mr. MFUME. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
But, again, I want to point out, if I might, Madam Chair, the fact
that the Ranking Member and the Chair of the Committee writing
on behalf of a full committee would probably get a quicker response
than you or I individually. But if you just want to do that, I will
be more than happy to do it to the extent that I have the ability
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Mr. STAUBER. Thank you.
Madam Chair, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
I will briefly recognize myself.
Criminal looting and burning destroys the very communities and
small businesses that need uplifting. We can all agree that victims
of crimes, including small businesses, need support of their local
law enforcement and other local community institutions and serv-
ices to recover and rebuild. This legislative effort that we are work-
ing on today will make meaningful long-term investments to sup-
port small businesses in underserved communities. However, I dis-
agree with the premise of this amendment because it will divert
critical SBA resources away from the focus of our effort today, pro-
viding billions of diverse investments to capital access, procure-
ment, training, and start up support.
The Small Business Administration—and I agree on this with
Mr. Mfume—should not be wasting critical funds on reports that
local and state governments, and even other agencies already pro-
vide.
For this reason, I oppose this amendment and I urge all my col-
leagues to do the same.
The question is on the amendment by the gentleman from Min-
nesota. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute
yourself for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposing, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair, I request a recorded vote.
Thank you.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered.
Pursuant to Committee Rule 13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2
further proceedings on the amendment are postponed.
We now move to amendment consideration number 6, Stauber
2V1. For what purpose does the gentleman from Minnesota seek
recognition?
Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair, I have an amendment at the
desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Clerk will report the amendment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. STAUBER. Thank you, Madam Chair, once again.
I must reiterate the disastrous effects of the defund the police
movement. In my home state of Minnesota, people no longer feel
safe going to Minneapolis. City councils are supposed to do every-
thing they can to protect and promote their citizens and city. Min-
neapolis city council has destroyed it.
This has happened across the nation. Cities that once were the
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consumed with crime. It is heartbreaking and small businesses in
these communities are paying the price.
Earlier this year the Community Navigators program was cre-
ated. The program focuses on targeting outreach to small busi-
nesses during economic recovery, yet local governments have cre-
ated the very environments that small businesses need economic
recovery from. That is why I am offering this amendment.
My amendment will bar local governments who have defunded
the police and actively made their communities less safe, from par-
ticipating in the Community Navigators program. However, it will
in no way—and I repeat, it will in no way bar families and busi-
nesses in these communities from participating in this program.
Small businesses deserve to have community navigators, like the
many small business resource partners that are doing everything
they can to help their communities succeed, not lead to their de-
mise.
I encourage adoption of my amendment.
Madam Chair, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Ms. NEWMAN. Madam Chair, I seek recognition.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady is seeking recognition
in opposition to the amendment?
Ms. NEWMAN. Correct. Thank you.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady is recognized for 5
minutes.
Ms. NEWMAN. Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you Rank-
ing Member.
I rise today to oppose this amendment because it infringes on,
you know, the basic freedoms of state and local government. It
really is curious to me.
Local governments tend to be really terrific at understanding
their own needs. I don’t think the federal government should be
telling them what to do.
The Community Navigator pilot program engages with states,
local governments, SBA resource partners, and a lot of other orga-
nizations to target outreach to small businesses in underserved
communities. This vital outreach is meant to level the economic
playing field by providing SBA counseling, training, and a lot of
really good programs. Typically they provide education, resources
to small businesses, and other counseling that really lifts up all of
those who have been traditionally overlooked and underserved.
This program is vital to kind of leveling the playing field.
State and local governments should not be penalized from par-
ticipating in a program meant to help their most vulnerable busi-
nesses simply because a few Members of the minority party feel
they should spend money on policing.
Again, I reiterate that the local government should really have
domain over how they spend their money and develop programs. I
think they are best suited for that.
In closing, I oppose this amendment because it is a poison pill
and will hurt small businesses that need the services most and is
designed to prevent investments in our country and build back bet-
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I urge my colleagues to oppose this amendment.
I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair, it is Mr. Mfume of Maryland to
speak in opposition.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from New York is
recognized for 5 minutes. Mr. Garbarino.
Mr. GARBARINO. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Strike the last work.
I yield to my colleague, Mr. Stauber.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized.
Mr. STAUBER. Thank you very much to my good friend, Rep-
resentative Newman from Illinois. You made a statement that
struck me. I really appreciate this statement. I want us all to re-
member this as we move forward. I quoted it. ‘‘The federal govern-
ment shouldn’t tell local governments what to do’’. I can’t tell you
how much I appreciate that quote.
I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair, it is Mr. Mfume of Maryland to
speak in opposition.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. MFUME. Thank you, Madam Chair. I move to strike the last
word.
I don’t know that this particular bill is trying to tell local govern-
ments what to do—this amendment. What it does is to bar local
participation if we, the federal government, thinks that the munici-
pality took a vote on something or a position that we didn’t like.
So it is to bar them. I think that is dangerous territory because I
just cannot think—and maybe I am wrong. I am not a historian,
but I just cannot think of a time when the federal government
moved to bar a local municipality from participating in a program
that was designed to be helpful for everyone. It is a tremendous
reach, it is a dangerous precedent and I think in this case it is kind
of ill-conceived because it is not going to, in my opinion, create any-
thing different except a great deal of animosity, a dangerous prece-
dent, and an over reach by the federal government by barring par-
ticipation of any municipality who took a position that we ‘‘the fed-
eral government’’ didn’t like.
I am in opposition to this and I would urge its rejection.
I yield back, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Luetkemeyer from
Missouri.
I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes.
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This amendment prohibits the local government from partici-
pating in the Community Navigators’ program as such government
has taken actions to defund the police.
I think the gentleman has correctly stated the problems that he
is trying to solve here that he sees. I don’t think we can reward
local governments who do not value the safety of our citizens. It is
very simple. We—and another previous speaker, the gentleman
from Maryland, made a comment about not understanding why we
can put some ties and strings on things. We do that all the time
with regards to monies that the federal government appropriates
to different groups and different entities, whether they are states,
local governments, school districts, water districts, whatever. We
put strings and ties and every single thing that we do at the fed-
eral government to any dollars that we sent out, number one, for
accountability, to make sure people behave appropriately, make
sure all entities use the dollars in the correct manor, to make sure
they are going to actually where they are going to go. And we audit
those dollars, or are supposed to be auditing those dollars, to make
sure that happens.
So for us to put into this bill here some protections to make sure
that these local folks are valuing the same values that we believe
are important with regards to how they are managing their city
and city government I think is quite appropriate, especially when-
ever we are going to be funding some of the stuff.
I certainly support the gentleman’s amendment and move for its
adoption.
With that, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Madam Chair?
Who is seeking recognition please?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber is seeking recognition and I am sure one
of my colleagues is going to give me time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has already spoken.
Mr. MEUSER. Madam Chair, I yield time to my colleague.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Who is seeking recognition?
Mr. MEUSER. Madam Chair, this is Representative Meuser from
PA 9.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Mr. Meuser, you are recognized for
5 minutes.
Mr. MEUSER. Thank you, Madam Chair. I will yield my time to
Mr. Stauber.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. STAUBER. Thank you very much.
I do want to reply to my good friend from Maryland. I will give
you four instances where the federal government held federal high-
way funds from state and local projects to reduce the breath alcohol
from .10 to .08. That is just one that the federal government has
put forward for safety measures.
I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
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Madam Chair, I seek recognition. I know I have already spoken,
so if one of my colleagues should seek to yield time, I would gladly
accept it.
Mr. CARTER. Madam Chair, I yield time to Mr. Mfume.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Who is seeking recognition please?
Mr. Carter, the gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. CARTER. Yes, Madam Chair, I would like to relinquish my
time to Mr. Mfume.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields his time to Mr.
Mfume from Maryland.
Mr. MFUME. Thank you, Madam Chair.
If someone who has got a mic open could close it or mute it, that
would be good.
What we are talking about here was what was—what came out
of my colleague’s mouth and not mine, and was ‘‘if their values are
not our values’’ then we have a right to do this.
Values get to be subjective after a while. It depends on where
you live, how you grew up, what you believe in, what you worship,
what you don’t. It is a dangerous road to say if their values are not
our values then we have every right to bar them from participating
in a program that we set up to be helpful to everybody. I can’t
stress enough that values ought not be the test here, because to-
morrow it is somebody else’s values. Or if the shoe is on the other
foot, then it is their values against ours.
I think it is punitive, I think it is extremely subjective. On the
issue of values, I think that is the wrong criteria in terms of justi-
fying its implementation or its acceptance.
Again, I thank the gentleman from Louisiana for yielding.
I yield back, Madam Chair, and I urge a no vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
The gentleman from Minnesota, for what purpose?
Mr. PHILLIPS. I move to strike the last word, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized.
Mr. PHILLIPS. I just want to acknowledge, we are all concerned
about crime in cities and throughout the country, and concerned
about looting. In fact, we had an insurrection right here in this
very Capitol just some months ago. If you are one of the 35 Repub-
licans that voted to initiate a bipartisan commission to investigate
that, I would love to have a conversation with you about these
issues. I would love to. If you are not, come on. For goodness sakes.
With that, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
I will recognize myself briefly.
As Miss Newman stated, I urge my colleagues to oppose this poi-
son pill amendment.
The question now is on the amendment by the gentleman from
Minnesota. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute
yourself for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those in favor, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
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Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair, I request a recorded vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2 further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now we will consider amendment number 7, Meuser 1V1. For
what purpose does the gentleman from Pennsylvania seek recogni-
tion?
Mr. MEUSER. Madam Chair, I have an amendment at the desk
and I ask for consideration.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. MEUSER. Yes, Madam Chair.
We are working on something here that is quite serious, right,
the idea of expanding the size of our government spending, our na-
tional debt, by $3.5 trillion plus, more than 15 percent of our over-
all debt in just one big swoop. Excessive spending that nearly 50
percent plus of the U.S. House of Representatives thinks is abso-
lutely not necessary, as well as a reflection of the American people.
The idea that we are discussing here, hidden taxes on small busi-
nesses and other issues related to public safety and local jurisdic-
tions is—boy, we have just really got to give that a little bit more
thought.
My amendment, Madam Chair, is about the American people de-
serving the true cost—understanding the true cost of such exces-
sive government spending of their taxpayer dollars. We need to
keep in mind, especially when it will directly affect their finances.
In recent months American families have been forced to adjust
their budgets around a more than 5 percent jump in prices on gaso-
line, food—we all know the products that have increased—inflation
that hasn’t been seen since the ’70s, which was a result of the last
excessive spending package, which wasn’t all unnecessary, but even
Democrat economists said that three times too much, that being
the so-called Rescue Package.
These inflation prices, in effect of $1.9 trillion within the Amer-
ican Rescue Package, negatively affected families and businesses
alike in my district, wiped out wage increases, and sent the cost
of living way up. After persevering through a pandemic that had
its own devastating effects, small businesses are dealing with
added costs, dealing with the inability to get workers, because we
are overcompensating in many states the unemployed, and are con-
tinuing to struggle with all of these rising costs of goods and serv-
ices.
Despite its effects on our economy, my Democrat colleagues are
eager to use the same—completely partisan by the way—budget
reconciliation process to spend another $3.5 trillion. This proposal
will not only increase taxes, as stated, on our small businesses, on
families, less than at $400,000, with everything that is hidden in
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My amendment would require the Congressional Budget Office to
project the inflationary impact of this reconciliation bill. This would
mean American families and small business would know from the
CBO the impact on their budget, what their value of their dollar
decrease would be, what their cost of goods will increase because
of this reconciliation process initiative that dramatically increased
the role of government in their lives, as stated.
When inflation was a significant concern in the ’70s, as stated,
the CBO issued inflationary projections for individual bills. Restor-
ing this practice for this bill is a common-sense initiative, a trans-
parency initiative that will enable us to understand the true infla-
tionary impacts of this spending bill on main street and families
in all of our districts.
I urge my colleagues to support this amendment.
I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back.
Do other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
I will recognize——
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Mr. Luetkemeyer. I would like to move to
strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you very much. I will try and be
very brief here. You know, this is, I think, an extremely important
amendment from the standpoint that we need to know the effects
of this bill, this $3.5 trillion bill, inflationary effects, on our small
businesses and our families. If you will remember, you know, infla-
tion, quite frankly, is taxation. So, you get something for nothing—
you pay a bill for nothing here. You get nothing back in the infla-
tionary cost of things.
If you remember back when we were getting ready to pass the
$1.9 trillion bill back, I think, it was in February, they said at that
time, that we still had $1 trillion left from the previous bills that
was unspent. CBO said that if nothing happened, if we did not
pass this bill, we would have a 5 percent increase in our GDP by
the end of the year and it was unnecessary. CBO said that. And
here, what we are doing is asking them again to do a 5-year infla-
tionary study to see what the effects of this bill on top of this other
$1.9 trillion that was not necessary that is out there now, what
that is.
I think it is very appropriate and I certainly thank the gen-
tleman for his thoughtful initiative here because inflation is eating
away at the very heart of our economy. Again, like I said, inflation
is taxation. It is a hidden cost that you get nothing for. People who
prior to the pandemic, their wages were increasing, real wages
were increasing. Now, the inflation is eating away at their ability
to pay their bills because those dollars don’t go as far as they used
to anymore. The pay increases they got are now eaten up by infla-
tion and we are back to square zero.
I certainly support this amendment. I urge for its adoption. With
that, Madam Chair, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
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Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair, Mr. Mfume of Maryland to speak
in opposition.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Maryland is
recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. MFUME. Thank you, Madam Chair. I move to strike the last
word. I don’t want to be objecting to everything, but in this par-
ticular case, it is important to point out that the CBO regularly
publishes projections of economic budget outcomes. They do it on
their own, which incorporate the assumption that laws, current
laws, and laws that are being proposed do, in fact, have an impact.
The baseline projections that they cover is a 10-year period, which
goes beyond the 5-year period being requested in this amendment.
Most of those reports are projections that describe the differences
between current projections and previous ones. They compare eco-
nomic forecasts with those of other forecasters. They show the
budgetary impact of alternative policy assumptions, and they gen-
erally do that every January. They follow-up in every March and
then again in August.
Those things are going to happen whether we pass this or not.
They are going to happen in a much more detailed way with great-
er comparisons over a longer period of time than is being requested
in this particular amendment. So, again, I think this is the wrong
vehicle to use to get the CBO to do what they are going to do any-
way come this January, which they have been doing for years.
Which, in this case, will go far beyond what is being requested in
this particular amendment.
I would urge a no vote. But this time, Madam Chair, I am going
reserve the balance of my time until the end of the debate in case
I have to try to further clarify my point. I yield back right now and
reserve.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman reserved. Is there
any further debate on the amendment? I would now like——
Mr. MEUSER. Madam Chair, may I be recognized? This is Rep-
resentative Meuser.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Mr. Meuser, I believe that you have
already spoken on this amendment.
Mr. GARBARINO. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Yes?
Mr. GARBARINO. May I be recognized?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Mr. Garbarino, for what purpose are
you——
Mr. GARBARINO. I would like——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ.—seeking recognition?
Mr. GARBARINO.—to strike the last word and yield to my col-
league Mr. Meuser.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes. The gentleman from?
Mr. MEUSER. Pennsylvania.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Is recognized.
Mr. MEUSER. Thank you, Madam Chair. I thank my colleague
Representative Garbarino.
Respectfully, to the gentleman in opposition, those reports will
come out well after the fact of such a reconciliation monstrosity,
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without them having transparency as to what the results and im-
pact of this unbelievable level of spending. Again, adding 15 per-
cent to our national debt in one swoop. I would think for the ben-
efit of transparency and truth for what this bill will mean to those
that we are passing it for, those who we work for as elected rep-
resentatives, such information would be important as to whether or
not they would be supportive or have further questions of their rep-
resentatives. With that, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair, reclaiming my time. Mr. Mfume of
Maryland.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Mr. Mfume, you are recognized.
Mr. MFUME. Yeah, to the gentleman from Pennsylvania, I abso-
lutely understand——
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Leutkemeyer from Missouri. You can’t hold reserve time during a
hearing like this. He has to go back through another one of your
Members. Let’s make sure we get this,——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Yes, that is correct.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER.—you know, this correct.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is cor-
rect. If there is any Member that will seek recognition for the pur-
pose of yielding to Mr.——
Ms. HOULAHAN. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ.—Mfume?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Madam Chair, it is Rep Houlahan. I seek to
be recognized.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady from Pennsyl-
vania——
Ms. HOULAHAN. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady is recognized for 5
minutes.
Ms. HOULAHAN. I would like to yield my time to Representa-
tive Mfume, please.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Mr. Mfume is recognized for 5 min-
utes.
Mr. MFUME. Thank you, Madam Chair. I really thank the gen-
tlewoman for yielding her time. I will not consume all of it. I just
want to point out the fact that as I was about to say to the gen-
tleman from Pennsylvania, I really understand his concern here. I
understand his angst. I mean, sometimes we ought to have that
same angst when we talk about spending tax dollars for anything.
So, I am not objecting in that regard.
I just think that in this case, that the CBO is going to do what
it does every January, which is 4 months from now. If we pass this
amendment, the SBA could not conceivably do what it is being
asked to be done before passage of the bill, and maybe not even be-
fore January. It strikes me as an effort that may have good inten-
tions but will not yield the results that are being sought. Again, I
think it confuses the efforts of what we are doing here by inter-
jecting something that may be well intentioned, but unable to
reach its conclusion and provide the information before these mat-
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what it does every year. Which, again, as I said before, is even
more extensive in terms of what is being asked for in this amend-
ment.
I thank the gentlewoman for yielding. I yield back, Madam
Chair. I urge a no vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Ms. Houlahan yields back?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Yes, Madam Chair, I yield the balance of my
time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you. Is there any further de-
bate on the amendment?
I would now like to recognize myself on the amendment. I cer-
tainly share the concerns of my colleague, Mr. Meuser, about the
impact of inflation of our small businesses. Over the past year and
a half, many of the supply chains our small businesses have formed
and depended on were disrupted by the pandemic. Many small
business owners have been left to find new suppliers at higher
prices. Fortunately, the Biden Administration has already taken
steps to mitigate price increases by taking action against the meat
packing industry for illegal price fixing, which is increasing and
creating crises for restaurants across the country. Furthermore,
other legislation introduced this Congress will work to strengthen
our supply chains and make them more resilient, such as the bi-
partisan infrastructure package passed by the House, which makes
investments in domestic manufacturing, roads, bridges, airports,
and seaports.
This is a poison pill amendment designed to undermine our ef-
forts to provide billions of dollars in small business assistance to
support the long-term growth of entrepreneurs. Therefore, I must
oppose this amendment and I urge my colleagues to vote no.
The question is on the amendment by the gentleman from Penn-
sylvania. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute
yourself for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it.
The amendment is not agreed to.
Mr. MEUSER. Madam Chair, I request a recorded vote, please.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule 13
and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now, we will consider amendment number 8, Mr. Meuser, 2V1.
For what purpose does the gentleman from Pennsylvania seek rec-
ognition?
Mr. MEUSER. Madam Chair, I have an amendment at the desk
and I ask for its consideration.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature of a
substitute——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentleman is recog-
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Mr. MEUSER. Thank you, Madam Chair. As we have all unfor-
tunately witnessed in recent weeks, the Biden Administration’s
handling of our withdrawal from Afghanistan resulted in truly an
unmitigated disaster. The Taliban have taken over the country by
force reaching the capital in a matter of days, forcing the U.S. and
our allies to evacuate along with leaving Americans behind. We left
quite a bit of equipment as well and military hardware. Not only
have Americans been harmed and stranded in this debacle, but the
level of cost for this equipment is extraordinarily high and some-
what unknown. We are spending a lot of time estimating its cost.
My amendment would require the SBA to convene a committee
of procurement officers from throughout the federal government to
assess and identify the actual dollar amount and number of items
procured from small businesses that have been left behind in Af-
ghanistan. The mess created by the Biden Administration in Af-
ghanistan has implications that reach far beyond the already se-
vere issues our nation has already to bear. Adopting this amend-
ment will not only help us fully comprehend the damage and the
costs incurred but will further assist in making sure that some-
thing like this doesn’t happen so hastily in the future. Thank you
and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. CROW. Madam Chair, I wish to be recognized.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Colorado, Mr.
Crow, is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. CROW. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you to Mr. Meuser
for recommending this amendment. I actually agree with the spirit
and the content of this amendment. In fact, you know, as a veteran
of this war and as somebody who has led in Congress on issues of
Afghan oversight and review over the last couple of years, includ-
ing my amendment in 2020 with Ms. Cheney to put some oversight
in place, I actually don’t think this is the right vehicle to do it.
I would know that because I actually led just a week ago, the
Armed Services Committee’s amendment actually does what you
are proposing to do. We passed an amendment that actually is in
the House version of the National Defense Authorization Act,
which would actually complete this comprehensive assessment, do
an inventory of equipment left behind, and ask the Administration
and the Secretary of Defense to submit a written report no later
by the end of this year on the status of all of that equipment,
where it is, and then the plans to remediate and recover that
equipment.
We already have something in place, and we have something in
place that is within a committee of jurisdiction on this issue be-
cause the committees of jurisdiction oversee it. These issues are
Armed Services, Foreign Affairs, and House Intelligence. I, frankly,
would be hard pressed to think of a committee that would be less
appropriate to do something of this nature than the Small Business
Committee, perhaps the Joint Committee on the Library would be
potentially less appropriate to conduct this type of work.
This is not the time or the place for an amendment of this na-
ture. This amendment not only was not the right place and the ve-
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of just slowing down what is otherwise a bill focused on American
businesses. Small businesses that are in desperate need of relief
and support and that should remain our focus here today.
For all of those reasons, Madam Chair, I oppose the amendment,
and would recommend all of my colleagues do the same. I yield
back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Luetkemeyer of Missouri. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you very much. I certainly support
the gentleman from Pennsylvania’s amendment. I think that we
need to know the extent of small business equipment that has been
given to the Taliban, which they can then use against us. I see I
am frozen. Hopefully, we are not totally frozen here.
It’s just disappointing to see and hear the previous gentleman’s
comments with regards to comparing the seriousness of our hand-
ing over of military equipment and our request to understand the
impact on small businesses, the tieback to them, to a committee on
libraries. I think that is denigrating to our small business folks and
it is certainly disappointing. With that, I aim to support and adopt
the amendment. I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair, Mr. Mfume of Maryland to speak
in opposition.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman rises to strike the
last word?
Mr. MFUME. Yes, I do.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Maryland is
recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. MFUME. Thank you, Madam Chair. My opposition comes as
the result of the redundancy that would take place if this were to
be passed. Also, the inability on the issue of compliance. On the re-
dundancy, the distinguished gentleman from Colorado is correct.
This has already been passed by the proper committee of oversight.
It is part of the National Defense Reauthorization Act. It is going
to take place and it is going to take place on a very large scale.
We will all look at that information as we should.
I agree with the author of the amendment that it is very impor-
tant to find out just what is left and to be able to make sure that
that is a historical fact. And that we as a government have that
information not only to make sure that if we are in a similar situa-
tion, we learn from this one. More importantly, just to know be-
cause all this equipment was paid for by taxpayers. It is well inten-
tioned in that regard, but it is redundant considering that it has
already been passed and it is already now in a bill for approval be-
fore the House.
The compliance matter gets to the heart of the amendment in
which the amendment seeks to get the SBA to gather and compel
procurement officers at every agency in the government to give
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been accounted for or what they believe may not be accounted for.
I would just remind my colleagues that the SBA does not have the
authority to be able to command procurement officers across the
government to give them anything. I mean, if I were running the
Department of Energy or NASA, I would reject this, and my pro-
curement officer would not be a part of it simply because of the do-
main issue.
In a particular agency, that is their domain. They cannot be com-
pelled by another agency, particularly SBA, to comply with some-
thing like this. It is difficult to bring about compliance should it
pass, and should it pass, it is obviously redundant to something
that has already previously passed and is now in a bill awaiting
finally passage.
I commend the gentleman. I understand his intent. I think as the
gentleman from Colorado said, this is not the right vehicle for it.
I yield back, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
I will recognize myself briefly to ask my colleagues to oppose this
amendment since it proposes to take necessary important resources
away from small businesses. Particularly, in the area of lending
and contracting support.
Now, the question is on the amendment by the gentleman from
Pennsylvania. I ask all Members attending virtually to please
unmute yourself for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it.
The amendment is not agreed to.
Mr. GARBARINO. Madam Chair, I do ask for a recorded vote,
please.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule 13
and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now we will move to consider amendment number 11, Garbarino
1V1. For what purpose does the gentleman from New York seek
recognition?
Mr. GARBARINO. Thank you, Madam Chair. I have an amend-
ment at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentleman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Mr. GARBARINO. Thank you. We, as Members of Congress,
have heard for months that crucial federal funding investments
must be made to address the infrastructure needs across the coun-
try. We must not delay in providing such funds once the Bipartisan
Infrastructure Investment in Jobs Act is considered by Congress. I
agree with many of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle,
the country is clamoring for infrastructure investment and com-
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to Speaker Pelosi in a letter dated August 12th from nine of my
democratic colleagues, two on this committee. Unfortunately,
House democratic leadership has instead prioritized the partisan
goal of pushing through this reconciliation budget resolution, a por-
tion of which we are marking up here today.
My amendment directs that the SBA prioritize the implementa-
tion and issuing of rules or guidance to carry out the requirements
of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act before
the SBA issues rules or guidance or expending amounts appro-
priated to carry out the reconciliation budget resolution. If this
amendment is agreed to, it will prioritize the consideration of the
infrastructure package over the partisan wish list and reckless
spending of congressional leadership and the White House. Thank
you. I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do any
other Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Luetkemeyer from Missouri. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you very much. Again, I support
the gentleman from New York’s amendment here. I think it is im-
portant that we prioritize how we are going to be funding the dif-
ferent needs that are out there with regards to our country and our
small businesses. I know Mr. Garbarino’s next amendment is going
to deal with the Restaurant Revitalization Fund. I think this is an
example, I think, of the fact that there is no money in this bill for
that very important program and I think this is—his amendment
rightly points out that we need to prioritize things especially in our
purview that are not being taken care of. I certainly applaud the
gentleman’s initiative and amendment. I urge its adoption. With
that, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
I would now like to recognize myself. I share the views of my col-
league that the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill will help many small
firms and their communities across the country. However, I would
like to remind my colleague that the Small Business Administra-
tion does not currently have any involvement in carrying out the
rules for the Bipartisan Infrastructure bill.
We should be weary of tying the hands of the administration and
slowing down the process of implementing the contents of funding
under consideration today. Slowing this process will lead to delays
and uncertainty for small businesses across the country, ultimately
hurting small businesses and the communities they serve alongside
slowing down the economic recovery for all Americans.
Our role here should be to help small firms and create the condi-
tions for a steady economic recovery. Therefore, I oppose this
amendment and I encourage my colleagues to vote no.
The question is on the amendment by the gentleman from New
York. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute your-
selves for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
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In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it.
The amendment is not agreed to.
Mr. GARBARINO. Madam Chair, I would request a recorded
vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now, we will move to consideration of amendment number 12,
Garbarino 2V1. For what purpose does the gentleman from New
York seek recognition?
Mr. GARBARINO. Thank you, Madam Chair. I have an amend-
ment at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentleman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Mr. GARBARINO. Thank you. Small businesses across the coun-
try have been crippled by the effects of and the response to the
COVID-19 pandemic and emergence of the Delta variant. No indus-
try has been hit harder than the restaurant industry. The second
largest private sector employer in the country has now seen more
than 110,000 restaurants close since the pandemic began. Recent
reports claim that the trend of closing restaurants that began in
2020 has continued into 2021. Seventeen percent of restaurants
have closed in this country during the first half of this year.
Once again, these small family-owned entrepreneurs need our
help and our assistance. Since being elected to Congress, I have fo-
cused on providing relief to our small businesses, especially to our
restaurants, taverns, and eateries. Early on, I became a cosponsor
of the Restaurants Act, a bill that would inject 120 billion in res-
taurant relief for these struggling small businesses.
To continue my early support for restaurants, I offered an
amendment in this very Committee that would have provided addi-
tional funding to the Restaurant Revitalization Fund from a pro-
posed 25 billion to 45 billion in the American Rescue Plan. Unfor-
tunately, the Restaurant Revitalization Fund was woefully under-
funded by my colleagues. I am now a staunch supporter and co-
sponsor of the Ranking Member’s proposal known as the Entree
Act to provide 60 billion in existing funds to properly fund the Res-
taurant Revitalization Fund. Now, I bring forward this amendment
to provide all of the 23.6 billion in funding to the Restaurant Revi-
talization Fund and to insert provisions of the Entree Act to ensure
proper oversight is applied to the Restaurant Revitalization Fund
and preferential treatment is prohibited.
As I mention preferential treatment and proper oversight, I must
also request this Committee’s attention to other SBA COVID-19 re-
sponse programs. Most notably, the Shuttered Venue Operators
Grant Program. Today, through this amendment, I am asking for
additional funding to the Restaurant Revitalization Fund, but I call
on this Committee to hold necessary hearings to hear testimony
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Program to provide much needed assistance to amusement parks,
arcades, and other concession operators. These small businesses
have been ignored long enough. It is time we take responsibility
and provide the attractions industry the relief they deserve.
This amendment is not a poison pill, in my opinion. It helps
small businesses in every Member’s on this Committee’s district.
No one on this Committee can say they haven’t heard a restaurant
in their district say that they didn’t get money from the Restaurant
Revitalization Fund. They need this help. They need it right now.
I have heard from my colleagues today on this Committee who said
we need to do something that is going to help businesses, small
businesses right away. This amendment will do that by adding 23.6
billion to the Restaurant Revitalization Fund, which needs more
than that, but it is a good start.
Madam Chair, I think we should all agree to adopt this amend-
ment. I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment? The gen-
tleman——
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. This is Mr. Luetkemeyer from Missouri. I
would like to strike the last word and speak on the amendment.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Well, I will recognize a Member from
my side, the gentleman from Minnesota, Mr. Phillips, is recognized
for 5 minutes.
Mr. PHILLIPS. Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to salute my
colleague from New York. I think there is almost unanimous agree-
ment that we have to replenish the RRF and take care of our na-
tion’s restaurants that have struggled because of COVID-19. Given
the bipartisan and bicameral support for replenishing RRF, we
should work together in a bipartisan fashion to increase that fund-
ing so that more eligible business can receive that assistance.
Most of us are supportive of the bipartisan Restaurant Revital-
ization Fund Replenishment Act, which has over 200 cosponsors at
the moment. We have got to come together as Democrats and Re-
publicans in the House and Senate and provide additional relief for
struggling businesses all around the country. Unfortunately, fund-
ing levels in the bill that we are considering today cannot cover
that $46 billion shortfall in RRF. The amendment does not include
support for very important and other hard-hit industries like gyms,
live entertainment venues, hotels, and travel businesses, and the
like that are also struggling mightily because of COVID-19.
Given the ongoing challenges facing small businesses across
many different sectors that this Committee continues to hear
about, we are focusing today on broad-based programs designed to
help small businesses and entrepreneurs in the long run rather
than just another round of minimal funding that could be gone in
just a few weeks and may not even meet the full demand.
With that said, I am wholeheartedly committed to working with
you, my friend from New York, on a short-term economic relief
package for all hard-hit industries that help meet the challenges of
this moment. I am happy to report once again, as I did in my open-
ing comments, that work has already begun on a package that will
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Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, Congressman Luetkemeyer
from Missouri. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you very much. I certainly appre-
ciate Mr. Phillips’ comments a moment ago. I think he is spot-on
from the standpoint that it is unfortunate there is not enough
money in this bill to actually fully fund what we believe is going
to be the needs of the Restaurant Revitalization Program. I want
to congratulate my colleague here, Mr. Garbarino, from New York
who I think has rightly pointed out a problem that exists that we
can fix with this bill.
This is something we can actually fix. The Entree Act actually
fixes the problem in two ways. It fixes it from the standpoint of
adding more money to it and number two, it fixes the constitu-
tional problem which exists as we talked about a while ago because
of the court cases in Texas and Tennessee that said you can’t do
what we just did in this bill. This money will be then going back
to folks and will be able to be accessed on a first come first serve
basis. I am glad to see we have got some support across the aisle
on this issue because I think this is a bipartisan issue to be able
to get this fund refunded here.
I would ask my colleagues to remember we need to be looking at
ways to be helpful to small businesses here. At some point, you all
have got to be ready to vote for something. You can’t be against
every single thing in our amendments and every single thing that
we propose. You keep talking about bipartisanship and you haven’t
been bipartisan on any single thing yet today. If we can’t find bi-
partisanship around this amendment, we won’t be able to find bi-
partisanship around anything. This is the perfect amendment for
this bill. It takes money that is sitting there that is being, in my
mind, not being utilized correctly and we have a recognized need
that even your Members recognize. We have ignored things like the
tax problem. We have stepped up basis on inheritance. You were
going to vote down the inflationary effect on small businesses. We
were going to try to prioritize funding to make sure small busi-
nesses get it. Yet, here is one that is even better than all of those
amendments from the standpoint this one actually has a recog-
nized problem that is recognized by all. We have a solution for it
and I would certainly urge all my colleagues to support this. We
are going to be watching this vote very carefully because are you
for small business or against small business? This is a bill that will
tell us a whole lot about where you really stand, especially when
it comes to the bipartisanship. This is one you should be voting for
not—my——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on this amendment?
I recognize myself. I urge my colleagues to oppose this amend-
ment, which will undermine our efforts to provide broad support to
small businesses. As Mr. Phillips has indicated, we will work on
the restaurant industry. We understand that they are still suf-
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We will do a more comprehensive package to deal with it. With
that, I ask my colleagues to oppose this amendment.
The question is now on the amendment by the gentleman from
New York. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute
yourselves for the vote.
All those in favor of the amendment, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it.
The amendment is not agreed to.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, we would like to have a re-
corded vote on that.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now, we move to consideration of amendment number 13, Young
Kim 1D1. For what purpose does the gentlewoman from California
seek recognition? The gentlelady is muted. Ms. Young Kim, you are
still muted. Ms. Young Kim, we cannot hear you. Okay.
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Can you see me now?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Yes, we can see you and we can hear
you. The gentlelady is recognized for 5 minutes.
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Thank you. Thank you, Chairwoman. I am
surely disappointed that the Committee is considering another rec-
onciliation package that spends trillions of taxpayer money without
any Republican input, yet again. This 3.5 trillion reconciliation
package comes at a time when Congress should be debating more
pressing issues like the withdrawal in Afghanistan and its after-
math and the 30-year high inflation number.
Congress should be focusing on doing more to stand by our mil-
lions of service members and veterans. We owe it to our constitu-
ents and we owe it to our country. My amendment is simple. It
would direct the Interagency Task Force on Veteran Small Busi-
ness Development to conduct a study on the lack of access to credit
for veteran owned small businesses when compared to non-veteran
owned small businesses. The findings and recommendations of this
study will have to be submitted to the Congress.
An SBA study noted a decline in the establishment of small busi-
nesses among veterans. The study indicated that 1/4 of veterans
who served in World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War
Era, were more likely to be self-employed relative to veterans serv-
ing since 2001 or Gulf War veterans. Further, a 2017 Federal Re-
serve Bank Small Business Credit Survey noted veteran owned
small businesses saw lower credit approval rates when compared
to non-veteran owned businesses.
We should want to find out if there is a direct connection be-
tween the decrease of veteran entrepreneurship and the lack of ac-
cess to credit and work together to bridge that gap in access to
credit for our veterans. Millions of Americans from across our coun-
try have served and protected our freedom, and thousands who
willfully put their lives on the line just a few weeks ago in Afghani-
stan to save Americans and our allies.
We owe it to them and the rest of our service members to make
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and have a chance at the American Dream they fought to preserve.
I urge my colleagues from both sides of the aisle to support my
amendment. With that, I yield back the balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
I will recognize myself in opposition to the amendment. I share
the priority of my colleague, Ms. Young Kim, regarding the chal-
lenges veterans face in accessing credit to start or grow a small
business. Our Committee has highlighted the gaps in capital access
for many underserved entrepreneurs, including our veterans
throughout the 116 and 117th Congresses. That is why our Com-
mittee has under the regular order process, approved legislation
aimed at improving capital access for veteran entrepreneurs includ-
ing the Patriotic Employer Protection Act authored by my colleague
from New Jersey, Mr. Kim. This is an effort our Committee can
and should consider under the regular order process.
Today, however, we are focused on proposals to boldly invest in
the small firms in our critical industries, such as infrastructure,
broadband, and childcare. Today’s package includes many invest-
ments in veterans by providing resources for veteran-specific pro-
curement and prioritizing capital needs. Though I generally agree
with the need to support our veterans entrepreneurs, especially
with respect to capital access, I urge my colleagues to vote no on
this amendment. With that said, I pledge to work with my col-
leagues on both sides of the aisle during the regular order process
to keep exploring ways to improve access to capital for veterans.
Is there any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Luetkemeyer from Missouri. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you very much. I appreciate your
comments there. I think that you are spot-on. Unfortunately, I
think you need to be supporting this instead of working against it.
I think it is a very good amendment that is definitely within the
purview of this Committee. The veteran small business develop-
ment folks and for us to conduct a study is quite appropriate. I cer-
tainly urge the adoption of the amendment of that. I yield back.
Thank you.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. I am
looking forward to working with both sides of the aisle addressing
accessing capital for our veterans, but these are long-term invest-
ments making different programs that will help all businesses in
this country.
The question is on the amendment by the gentlewoman from
California. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute
yourself for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it.
The amendment is not agreed to.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, we ask for a recorded vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
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13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now, we move to consideration of amendment number 14, Young
Kim 2V1. For what purpose does the gentlelady from California
seek recognition?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Madam Chair, I have an amendment at the
desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentlewoman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Thank you, Madam Chair. My amendment
would direct the SBA Administrator to submit a report to Congress
and testify before the Committee on the effects of crime on small
businesses in communities where local governments have decided
to cut funding or defund our law enforcement.
Since 2020, our country has been enduring the deadliest crime
wave in 2 decades. In USA Today, the July survey found that about
2/3 of respondents believe crime is worsening in their communities.
From 2020 to 2021, portions of LA County covered by my congres-
sional district have seen a nearly 30 percent increase in violent
crimes, and property crimes have increased by more than 22 per-
cent from 2020 to 2021. Given the alarming increase in crime rates,
we ought to get to the bottom of how crime and decreasing re-
sources for our law enforcement impacts the ability of entre-
preneurs to establish new businesses or hire more workers.
We simply do not know enough about the correlation between
crime rates and the wellbeing of main street. I think our country
could be well served learning more about this correlation. The pri-
mary function of government is to keep our families and commu-
nities safe from bad actors. If we are not doing everything possible
to keeping our communities safe, we are failing our country and
our constituents. Let’s not the reconciliation process get in the way
of keep our communities and small businesses safe.
I urge my colleagues to support my amendment. Thank you and
I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized for the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Luetkemeyer from Missouri. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. I spoke on an amendment similar to this
by Mr. Stauber a while ago. So, I won’t be redundant. I will just
say my remarks still stand from previous comments. I think we
need to understand the impacts of the defund the police, of the re-
striction of funds to the police with regards to how it’s affecting our
small businesses. I think this is an appropriate way of going about
it to get a study done to see that. With that, I yield back the bal-
ance of my time. I urge the adoption of the amendment and yield
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Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
I will recognize myself. I oppose this amendment not because I
do not share its aims. I am opposing it because I refuse to let this
amendment hamper the resources we are providing to small em-
ployers in every industry of this country by investing in more and
better lending options.
We can all agree the victims of crimes including small businesses
need support of their local law enforcement and other local commu-
nity institutions and services to recover and rebuild. Yet, studies
by the agency take away from critical agency resources in training,
lending, and contract assistance that we are investing in today. For
this reason, I oppose this amendment, and I urge my colleagues to
do the same.
The question is on the amendment by the gentlelady from Cali-
fornia. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute
yourselves for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it.
The amendment——
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Madam Chair, I ask for a recorded vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now we move to consideration of amendment number 15, Van
Duyne 1V1. For what purpose does the gentlelady from Texas seek
recognition?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. To introduce an amendment, Ms. Chair-
woman.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady has an amendment
at the desk. The clerk will report the amendment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentlelady is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Thank you very much, Ms. Chairwoman.
While the small business community is facing many issues and
challenges right now, inflation is undoubtedly one of the greatest
concerns. Inflation is up more than 7 percent since January. Cloth-
ing prices are up nearly 5 percent. Food prices are up 2.5 percent.
And gas prices are up 45 percent. Yet, we are debating a bill with
the most significant spending in history, which undoubtedly will
make this crisis worse.
The amendment I am putting forward has a simple, yet impor-
tant objective. Prohibiting the monstrous spending in this bill that
exasperates the inflation tax currently imposed on working families
by this Administration. I have made this point multiple times in
this Committee. We cannot continue to put forth federal policies
that actively make it harder for small businesses to survive and
succeed.
While the government and big companies are shielded from infla-
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nities are not. Over the last 18 months, we have added more than
$5 trillion in new spending. The bill we have marked up today
would bring that closer to $10 trillion, an unprecedented amount.
Yet, the majority seems unable to resist leading our country down
a perilous path. For that reason, I urge my colleagues to support
this amendment to protect our small businesses from an over-
zealous federal government that keeps creating policies designed to
destroy them.
Feeding inflation and continuing reckless spending is never the
answer, but especially not at the expense of job creators and work-
ing families. I yield back the balance of my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Luetkemeyer from Missouri. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you very much. Again, I will be
brief. I think we discussed this earlier as well. Ms. Van Duyne
takes a different approach to it. I think you can see this is an ex-
tremely important issue to our side of the aisle from the standpoint
of inflation, you know, the inflationary effects of this potential bill,
not only on our economy, but specifically, on small businesses that
we have the purview over. We need to take a look at that and un-
derstand that effect so we can finetune this bill at best and—or
stop it, hopefully, to be able to make sure that this thing does not
undermine the small business community, which makes up 50 per-
cent of the employment base or more. This is really an important
issue knowing that what is coming is going to be vitally important
for us to be able to do our job.
I certainly support the amendment and would urge its adoption.
With that, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
I will now recognize myself in opposition to the amendment. I
certainly agree with the notion of my colleague that inflation can
hurt small firms, forcing them to pass prices on to consumers ac-
cording to their bottom line. However, this amendment doesn’t
make any determination on the impact of this particular bill on in-
flation. It simply asks for the report determining whether inflation
hurts small businesses and withholding funding if it does. It is
clearly a poison pill meant to delay the passage of this bill and
slow the recovery for small businesses around the country.
The question is on the amendment by the gentlewoman from
Texas. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute
yourself for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it.
The amendment is not agreed to.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Madam Chairwoman, I request a recorded
vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady has requested a re-
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13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now, we move to consider amendment number 16, Van Duyne
2V1. For what purpose does the gentlelady from Texas seek rec-
ognition?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Introduce an amendment, Madam Chair-
woman.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady has an amendment
at the desk. The clerk will report the amendment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
The gentlewoman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. As the
Ranking Member of the Oversight, Investigations, and Regulations
Subcommittee, I am committed to ensuring that small business re-
lief goes into the right hands, including making certain that SBA
assistance goes to those who are respecting our laws. My amend-
ment prohibits any Small Business Administration funds from
going to individuals who have assaulted a police officer. Addition-
ally, this will prevent those who participate in a riot that destroys
a small business from receiving funds. Rioters not only destroy the
dreams of business owners, but also put officers in further harm
when they are sent to restore peace.
When our officers are not actively saving lives, they are working
towards making our communities a better and safer place. Just
yesterday, I sat down with law enforcement from all over the 24th
District. They shared with me that while they run to danger and
others run for safety, too little is being done to protect the men and
women who sacrifice for us. As law enforcement commits to pro-
tecting us, it is our job and Congress’s to support them. The easiest
way to do this is by not rewarding those who actively work to hurt
them.
We need to continue to show our law enforcement that we have
their back. For that reason, I urge my colleagues to support this
amendment.
The idea that was mentioned earlier that for those of us who
have worked with law enforcement, I was on the city council. I was
a mayor. I worked side by side with police officers for over 12
years. I supported them. I sat with them. I backed them. I worked
with them on solutions. The notion that we did not support a very
partisan bill that would have created a commission that was no
more than a witch hunt has anything to do with whether or not
we work with our policy, support our police, I think is very offen-
sive. I would hope that our colleagues look over that and under-
stand that we actually do have, you know, a reason for being here
and we do support our police. I yield back the balance of my time.
Thank you.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Luetkemeyer. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
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Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you very much. I think it is very
appropriate that if we are going to be allowing access to govern-
ment taxpayer funds through the SBA, that we need to make sure
that the people we are giving those dollars to are folks who are
number one, credit worthy and number two, are people who are
going to be good citizens and have shown by their actions that they
are. If they have shown by their actions that they are not, we don’t
need to be in the business of supporting those folks. I think that
the gentlelady from Texas has got a good amendment here from
the standpoint of, again, policing the actions of some of our citizens
to be able to access these funds, I think it is very appropriate. I
certainly support her efforts. With that, I urge adoption of the
amendment and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
I would like to recognize myself. I understand Ms. Van Duyne’s
emphasis on protecting our law enforcement officers, as well as the
small businesses who suffer property damage as a result of civil
unrest. However, the rule change proposed in this amendment is
redundant and unnecessary, as SBA regulations on ineligible busi-
nesses, 13 CFR 120.110(n), already prohibit SBA assistance from
going to businesses with an associate who is incarcerated, on pro-
bation, on parole, or has been indicted for a felony. Therefore, I
urge a no vote on this amendment.
The question is on the amendment by the gentlewoman from
Texas. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute
yourselves for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it.
The amendment is not agreed to.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Madam Chairwoman, I request a recorded
vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
We will now move to consider amendment number 17, Donalds
1V1. For what purpose does the gentleman from Florida seek rec-
ognition?
Mr. DONALDS. Madam Chair, I have an amendment at the
desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with.
The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. DONALDS. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman and to the
Ranking Member for the opportunity to offer this amendment.
Members, this amendment is actually quite simple. We have been
talking a lot in this markup about not trying to impede the
progress of the $23.6 billion in funds that the Small Business Com-
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don’t want to impede it. We don’t want to change any of the fund-
ing. There is no desire to add to the restaurant portion of the fund-
ing, even though we all know that restaurants are the ones that
have been hardest hit. So, this amendment actually doesn’t touch
any funding at all. This amendment is actually quite simple.
What this amendment would allow for is for twice a year for the
next 10 years that the SBA Administrator would testify before the
Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship and
the House Committee on Small Business regarding the implemen-
tation of this title and any amendments made by the title. COVID-
19 has made it abundantly clear that the American people deserve
more transparency from the SBA. This administration and this
Congress should continue to push a vote that is continuing to push
trillions of dollars out of the pockets of hardworking taxpayers and
taking it from future generations who deserve to have an ability to
hear from the administrator that is implementing these pro-
grams—and much more than just once per year.
I think it is important, Members, that if we are going to be
spending or authorizing $23.6 trillion—billion dollars, excuse me.
You never know around this town, trillions, billions, it is all play
money these days—$23.6 billion that the SBA administrator should
actually be able to come in front of the people’s representatives at
least twice a year considering the amount of programming that we
are giving dollars to SBA to go ahead and implement.
I think this is a solid amendment. This does not impede the
progress of the administration or SBA or even the Democrats’ abil-
ity to move this bill. This is simply just adding language that the
SBA administrator will be available to the House and to the Senate
twice a year instead of once a year so we can have the necessary
oversight on these funds for the people that we all represent. That
is the amendment and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Luetkemeyer. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you very much. I think this is a
very appropriate amendment looking at the continued dollars that
are being thrown at the SBA—the dollars they have oversight over
and the fact that we can’t seem to get Secretary Yellen to show up
at our Committee to even talk about the PPP Program, which is
her legal obligation, which is now almost 3 or 4 months past due.
I think it is important that we are able to get these administra-
tors, people who have the oversight at the very top, and are respon-
sible for these programs to come before us to answer our questions.
We have significant questions right now, especially with the Small
Business Administration on various programs. I think it is going
to be important that we work with them to find out what is really
going on. And quite frankly, I wouldn’t mind having the Inspector
General be added to this as an amendment on amendment here to
be able to have him come in front of us 2 or 3 times a year.
I think that being said, this is an extremely important amend-
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at the top answer and be able to provide the oversight they were
supposed to provide. With that, I urge its adoption and I yield back
my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on that? I would now like to recognize myself.
While I appreciate my colleagues’ commitment to oversight, the
committee has the authority to request the SBA Administrator tes-
tify before the Committee at any point. In fact, she testified before
the Committee in May, just a few short months after being sworn
in as Administrator, on the economic relief programs. With that
said, requiring the SBA Administrator to testify from the adminis-
trative expenses of this bill takes away her focus and agency re-
sources from the over $15 billion in direct lending, Community Ad-
vantage, SBIC, and directive ventures for small firms. I urge my
colleagues to vote no on this amendment.
Is there any further debate on the amendment? Seeing none, the
question is on the amendment by the gentleman from Florida. I
ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute yourself for
the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. DONALDS. Madam Chair, can I request a recorded vote on
the amendment?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now we move to consider amendment number 18, Donalds 2V1.
For what purpose does the gentleman from Florida seek recogni-
tion?
Mr. DONALDS. Madam Chair, I have an amendment at the
desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentleman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Mr. DONALDS. Thank you, Madam Chair. My amendment will
provide $2 million in grant funding for the Small Business Devel-
opment Centers, SBDCs, over the course of the fiscal year 2022
through fiscal year 2031. Providing these grants to veteran-owned
small businesses will allow them to have access to expanded fund-
ing, financial resources, and additional outreach opportunities. To
note, my amendment doesn’t call for additional funding. It instead
seeks to reallocate leftover funding that was previously appro-
priated to the SBA and converts those unused funds to various
SBDC programs across the country. Currently, there are 10 Small
Business Development Centers in the state of Florida and one
SBDC that is located within my district, specifically, at Florida
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With the recent failures that the current administration is hav-
ing, not to mention Afghanistan but so many others, reallocating
unused funds to veterans in need will emphasize our appreciation
for those who risked their lives to serve in the United States mili-
tary. We can’t forget those Americans who have fought for our
country and converting this leftover funding to provide veteran-
owned small businesses with the support, the financial counseling,
and management information they need to run a successful small
business can only help them. We must never forget Americans, es-
pecially those veterans who fought to uphold the American dream
and the prosperity of America today. There is no better way of uti-
lizing these unused funds than providing grant funding for small
businesses, for Small Business Development Centers to assist vet-
eran-owned small businesses, and I strongly urge your support for
this amendment. I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment? The gentlelady
from Illinois, Ms. Newman, for what purpose are you seeking rec-
ognition?
Ms. NEWMAN. I seek recognition to strike the last word, ma’am.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady is recognized for 5
minutes.
Ms. NEWMAN. Thank you so much. I applaud Mr. Donalds’ ef-
forts to support our veterans. I am a huge fan of employing and
supporting veteran entrepreneurs. As a reminder, we did just that,
right, in the last markup for H.R. 3469. The Veterans Entrepre-
neurial Act of 2021 supports our veterans holistically, and I am
really excited about that work. It is going to help a lot of veterans
right in my district. For that reason, I oppose the amendment of-
fered by Congressman Donalds, which would strike the Office of
Emerging Markets and redirect the funding for veteran-owned
small business outreach.
Access to affordable capital, as we all know, is one of the biggest
challenges our small businesses face everywhere. I know we hear
that from our small businesses in all of our districts. The COVID-
19 pandemic shined a light on the stark disparities in lending, as
the initial Paycheck Protection Program funds went predominantly
to larger, better capitalized small businesses. It took dedicated set-
asides for CDFIs and other mission-based lenders to ensure small
firms in emerging markets got fair access to program funds.
A concerted effort is needed to ensure SBA’s capital access pro-
grams reach the smallest of the small businesses, and I can say
that 100 percent in my district because I have a lot of micro-
businesses. With that said, I share my colleague’s support for
SBDCs and veteran-owned small businesses, but this amendment
only provides additional funding to the SBDCs, which may have
the adverse effect of limiting outreach and engagement to veteran-
owned small businesses.
The Committee has worked since the 115th Congress to codify for
5 years the Boots to Business Program and continue to support and
provide for America’s veterans, transitioning service members, as
well as their family members, that want to launch or grow a small
business. Moreover, this bill provides $35 million to assist small
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leagues across the aisle to continue to improve outreach to veteran-
owned small businesses, but believe that the resources we are giv-
ing to firms in lending, contracting, and entrepreneurial develop-
ment investments in this bill are effective mechanisms to do just
that.
In closing, I urge my colleagues to oppose this amendment.
Thank you, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Luetkemeyer. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. All right. I want to thank the gentleman
for his excellent amendment here with regards to, again, trying to
help a group of people who we owe a great deal to, our veterans.
I think the gentleman, having been in the lending business him-
self, comes from a district where there is a huge number of vet-
erans in his constituency, understands the issue as well or better
than anybody, and knows that this is something that is needed,
and would be very helpful to our veterans. And with that, I cer-
tainly support this amendment, urge its adoption, and I yield back
my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment? I will recognize myself.
I urge my colleagues to vote against this amendment since it un-
dermines our efforts to provide affordable capital to small business
owners. The question is on the amendment by the gentleman from
Florida. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute
yourself for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. DONALDS. Madam Chair, I request a recorded vote.
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Madam Chair, I request a recorded vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now we move to consider amendment number 19, Fitzgerald
1V1. For what purpose does the gentleman from Wisconsin seek
recognition?
Mr. FITZGERALD. Madam Chair, I have an amendment at the
desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentleman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Mr. FITZGERALD. Thank you, Madam Chair. This amendment
prohibits any Small Business Administration funds from going to
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drug trafficking, or anyone charged with any type of crime associ-
ated with terrorism or the Taliban. The Committee Print appro-
priates over $100 million to various SBA programs to provide fi-
nancial counseling and business training to formerly incarcerated
individuals to help reintegrate them back into society and develop
applicable business skills. The stipulation is that they must have
served their sentence in a minimum, low, or medium security pris-
on to be eligible.
However, the Committee Print has no eligibility requirement
based on the actual offense committed. While most criminals con-
victed of violent crimes and terrorism will serve their sentences in
maximum security prisons, those with slightly less heinous offenses
may find their way to lower-level facilities, due to massive over-
crowding or changes in state and federal sentencing guidelines for
certain nonviolent drug crimes.
We should be ensuring that the Committee is not giving violent
criminals or drug traffickers a loophole for which is access to SBA
funding. This is a commonsense language change, and I urge my
colleagues to vote yes on this amendment, and I would yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. STAUBER. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Who is seeking recognition, please?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber from Minnesota. I would like to strike
the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Minnesota is
recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. STAUBER. Thank you, Madam Chair. And thank you, Con-
gressman Fitzgerald, for offering this important amendment. Over
the last year, we have seen Members of Congress embolden rioters
in our communities, and even within the last month, we have seen
our President embolden terrorists in the Middle East with his deci-
sion-making. Congresswoman Van Duyne offered an amendment
earlier to prevent the SBA from providing assistance to criminals
convicted of rioting. This important amendment offered by Con-
gressman Fitzgerald will prevent the SBA from providing assist-
ance to criminals convicted of any crimes associated with the
Taliban or other terrorist organizations. The failed leadership dis-
played by the Democrats has created an unprecedented crime and
national security crisis across the nation and in particular in our
large cities. The very least we can do is prevent terrorists and riot-
ers from accessing taxpayer dollars before the small business own-
ers who are struggling to make ends meet in America.
We need to prioritize these small businesses that are struggling
and ensure that no money goes to terrorists or people that want
to harm America or her citizens. Thanks again to the gentleman
from Wisconsin and the gentlelady from Texas for offering these
amendments today. Madam Chair, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Luetkemeyer. I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
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Mr. LUETKEMEYER. I am going to be very brief. I think the
gentleman from Minnesota is the expert on these types of actions
and issues, and I think I will just reiterate his comments. I think
that this is basically fixing a loophole in the law, something that
wasn’t there before. I think we need to make sure that we keep the
dollars out of the wrong people’s hands, and I think Congressman
Fitzgerald’s got a good amendment here to be able to do that. With
that, I urge its adoption, and I yield back my time.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment? I will recognize myself in
opposition to the amendment.
I can appreciate Mr. Fitzgerald’s interest in ensuring taxpayer
backed programs are preserved for law abiding entrepreneurs.
However, SBA Regulations, 13 CFR 120.110(n), already prohibit
SBA loans from going to businesses with associates who have been
indicted for any felony or crime or moral turpitude. The rule
change proposed in this amendment is redundant and unnecessary.
Therefore, I urge a no vote on this amendment.
The question now is on the amendment by the gentleman from
Wisconsin. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute
yourself for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair?
Mr. FITZGERALD. Madam Chair, can I ask for ayes and nays?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Who is seeking recognition?
Mr. FITZGERALD. Madam Chair, may I request the ayes and
nays on the amendment?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
We move to consideration of amendment number 20, Fitzgerald
2V1. For what purpose does the gentleman from Wisconsin seek
recognition?
Mr. FITZGERALD. Madam Chair, I have an amendment at the
desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentleman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Mr. FITZGERALD. Thank you, Madam Chair. This amendment
directs the Small Business Administration to study the impact of
tax increases on small businesses. Main street firms have been hit
exceptionally hard by the COVID-19 pandemic, as many businesses
were forced to close up shop in order to comply with state and local
mandated shutdowns. This was only made worse by the higher uti-
lization of Unemployment Insurance and the federal stay at home
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When it felt like things couldn’t get any worse, the Biden Admin-
istration came in earlier this year and called for a disastrous multi-
trillion-dollar spending bill to be written by Senator Bernie Sand-
ers, with the supposed intent of creating jobs and revitalizing main
street businesses. In announcing the legislation, the Biden Admin-
istration, citing a Treasury Department analysis, said the Presi-
dent’s agenda will protect 97 percent of small businesses—business
owners from income tax increases, while delivering tax cuts to
more than 3.9 million entrepreneurs. That figure is misleading.
For starters, nearly one-quarter of small businesses are struc-
tured as C corps and will, therefore, be subject to steep tax in-
creases, just as they are recovering from the pandemic.
Even worse, the vast majority of small businesses are structured
as passthroughs and will be subject to a federal tax rate as high
as 39.6 percent. Other provisions of the spending bill, such as in-
creasing the death tax and eliminating bonus depreciation, would
also fall upon small business owners. Additionally, this analysis
fails to take into account the small businesses who continue to
grow, their earnings, and businesses over time. An August 2019
study in the Journal of Monetary Economics shows that corporate
taxation distorts the ‘‘lifecycle’’ of a business, making it more dif-
ficult to invest their retained earnings and causing them to grow
more slowly.
We should be focused on growing small businesses, not
hamstringing them. This amendment is simple, and it should be an
easy vote for anyone who supports small business. Let’s study the
impact of tax increases on small businesses, so we can ensure the
SBA is holding the Biden Administration accountable for their
promise to protect main street. I urge my colleagues to vote yes on
this commonsense amendment, and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Ms. CHU. Madam Chair, I seek recognition and move to strike
the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady from California is
recognized for 5 minutes.
Ms. CHU. I rise in strong opposition to this amendment. The
Small Business Administration is skilled at administering re-
sources and grant programs to our nation’s small businesses, but
they are not tax policy experts. This would be better assigned to
the Treasury Department, with data from the Internal Revenue
Service’s Small Business and Self-Employed Division.
Second, this amendment would divert needed resources from the
Small Business Administration from its intended function, which is
to deliver much needed relief to the businesses we all know are
still suffering from the economic fallout of the pandemic.
As the Delta variant rages across all corners of the country, we
know that our small businesses are not out of the woods yet and
preventing much needed investments that we need in SBA in order
to fulfill this amendment’s purpose will leave our small businesses
high and dry.
Finally, any changes to these tax policies are within the exclu-
sive purview of the Ways and Means Committee. Any amendment
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make historic investments to small businesses, following a pan-
demic, based on what another Committee may or may not do, is a
foolish concession of our Committee responsibilities to help small
businesses. For all these reasons, I oppose this amendment, and I
urge my colleagues to do the same. I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Luetkemeyer, I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you very much. I think we have
had a couple amendments here, and this is another one we think
is very important to be able to understand the effects of the tax in-
creases in this huge monstrosity of a bill here, with regards to the
impact on small businesses and their employees and their employ-
ers. This is—only makes common sense for the previous—the
gentlelady from California to make the comment that we need—
they are taking money away from the programs. If we don’t do it
right, the programs aren’t going to be effective. We have got to
structure these things correctly.
We may know the impact of the tax bills here. Yes, we are not
the committee jurisdiction with regards to the tax law, itself, but
we need to know the impact on that, so we can understand how
these rules and how these tax laws or the changes in them are
going to affect the businesses that we have the purview over. And
then we can go to the Ways and Means people and say, hey, look,
this is a really bad deal because it is going to cause this kind of
effect, or it is a really good deal because it is going to have this
kind of effect.
If we don’t know that, we can’t be doing our job. I think our job
is to provide the oversight. It is very, very important that we un-
derstand that. I think it is very important that we get to under-
stand the effects of these tax increases.
Prior to the pandemic, we understood and we saw that the reduc-
ing of taxes and allowing the businesses and individuals to keep
those dollars and invest in themselves was key to the recovery we
had and to the tremendous growth that we had in the economy.
This is going in the opposite direction. We anticipate it having the
opposite effect. It is going to devastate small businesses and our
economy, and it is foolish to go forward without knowing for sure,
with the proper amount of studies and CBO scoring and all the
other thinktanks out there understanding and given this informa-
tion to understand the effects on small business and our economy
as a whole.
I certainly appreciate the gentleman’s amendment, urge its adop-
tion, and with that, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
I will recognize myself to say that I ask my colleagues to oppose
this poison pill amendment, which tries to derail this process
today. The question is on the amendment by the gentleman from
Wisconsin. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute
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All those in favor, say aye.
All opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Mr. FITZGERALD. Madam Chair? Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Yes?
Mr. FITZGERALD. Can I request the ayes and nays on that,
Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman has requested a re-
corded vote. The roll call is ordered. Pursuant to Committee Rule
13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the amend-
ment are postponed.
Now, we move to consideration of amendment number 9, Tenney
1V1. For what purpose does the gentlelady from New York seek
recognition?
Ms. TENNEY. Madam Chair, I have an amendment at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentlelady is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Ms. TENNEY. Thank you, Madam Chairman, and also Ranking
Member Luetkemeyer. Over the past decades, too many of our com-
munities have been left behind as manufacturers have left the
United States for foreign countries, like China and Asia, especially
in my community. For generations, these manufacturing jobs
played an important role in moving Americans up on the social lad-
der, providing well-paying middle-class jobs and careers that could
support families.
In the absence of these opportunities, many have been forced to
take lower-paying jobs or leave communities altogether, like mine,
where the Industrial Revolution was actually started. Areas like
the one I represent in Upstate New York have experienced this
firsthand.
To solve this economic crisis, I, therefore, call on my colleagues
to support my amendment to redirect the $9.5 billion proposed for
the unproven Venture Small Business Investment Company facility
for implementing bipartisan pro-jobs legislation, the American In-
novation and Manufacturing Act.
The current proposal in front of us today for the Small Business
Investment Company completely fails to create new opportunities
for the communities I represent in Central New York and the
southern tier. It throws billions of dollars into an unproven pro-
gram that is more focused on picking winners and losers than cre-
ating new opportunities for those left behind, regardless of their
race, background, or beliefs. The reality is that investment capital
today is highly concentrated by geography centered around hubs
like Boston, New York City, and San Francisco, while leaving much
of the country behind. It also tends to flow disproportionately to
the tech sector rather than more capital-intensive businesses in the
manufacturing sector, with longer profit horizons and even though
these manufacturing businesses often provide more jobs and oppor-
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My amendment today, the American Innovation and Manufac-
turing Act, the AIM Act, will address this imbalance by providing
$9.5 billion in long-term flexible debt for all registered SBA small
business investment companies to invest in upstart manufacturing
job creators. It also includes important taxpayer protections ensur-
ing all returns to the federal government are committed before cap-
ital can be distributed to private investors. Together, we can act to
address the issues impacting our working-class Americans for the
sake of our communities, particularly like mine in rural and subur-
ban Upstate New York. We must move beyond policies that sound
good and focus on policies that actually do good and can be success-
ful. I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. For what
purpose does the gentlelady from Pennsylvania seek recognition?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Madam Chair, I ask to be recognized for 5
minutes, and I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady is recognized for 5
minutes.
Ms. HOULAHAN. Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you for
this opportunity to speak. I really must respectfully disagree with
my colleague’s amendment. The Small Business Administration
Small Business Investment Company, or SBIC Program, provides
access to low-cost, government-backed investment capital for small
businesses, strengthens local communities, and empowers Amer-
ican businesses to grow and to compete in the global economy.
The SBIC Program’s fund represents approximately $30 billion
in investment capital, which since 1995 has helped to create or to
sustain over 9.5 million jobs. By most metrics, the SBIC Program
is an example of successful public policy that aligns the power of
the private market with the public interest of job creation and eco-
nomic growth.
However, the SBIC Program has historically struggled with a
lack of demographic and geographic representation, both among in-
vestors participating in the program and also in the companies re-
ceiving these investments. As early as 2007, the SBA identified the
disparities and has testified that it had tried to increase diversity
in the program by reaching out to venture capital firms, trade orga-
nizations, and others to better understand why this representation
in this program is so low.
However, these challenges persist to this present day, and in fis-
cal year 2020, only slightly over 5 percent of all companies financed
by SBICs were owned by underrepresented business owners. To en-
sure that there is a dedicated effort to SBA to enhance SBIC Pro-
gram diversity, this section of this bill establishes the SBIC Work-
ing Group, which will develop recommendations for how the SBA
can improve diversity among SBIC applicants, with a focus on un-
derserved businesses and providing incentives for SBICs to locate
in under-licensed states and to invest in underserved businesses,
especially those owned by low-income individuals or in rural areas.
This section of this reconciliation should not be struck and
should not be replaced. This section provides $2 million to establish
a group to provide recommendations on how to increase demo-
graphic and geographic diversity in the management and invest-
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House Small Business Committees within a year of its establish-
ment, and at that time, the group will disband. It is clearly long
overdue for the SBA to proactively take an initiative to improve di-
versities, their adversity in SBIC, and the working group under
consideration today is only a small but important part of strength-
ening the support we provide our businesses in this country.
I represent portions of Southeastern Pennsylvania, including the
historic city of Reading, once a manufacturing and industrial giant,
not just in our nation but in the world. I am a huge supporter of
the need to support our manufacturers. I am an enormous advocate
of the need for a patient capital equity facility, as you mentioned
in your bill. I very much appreciate Ms. Tenney’s AIM Act and
would very much like to work with her and my friend and col-
league, Representative Craig, on working on this proposed legisla-
tion.
I would propose that we do that together through regular order
rather than replacing the equally valuable and equally important
language that is already in this bill. I encourage my colleagues
from both sides of the aisle to support this legislation as written,
and I yield back the balance of my time, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment? The gentlelady from——
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman from Missouri is rec-
ognized.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted
to reiterate my support for Ms. Tenney’s amendment here. I think
it is a thoughtful amendment here from the standpoint that it is
well thought out. It is going to create a program that actually prob-
ably will work. It has got oversight in it, which a lot of the new
programs we propose in this bill do not have. It does not have over-
sight in a lot of these different bills that are programs that are
being proposed. This one does. It specifically targets the small busi-
nesses that we should be watching for, and be thinking about, and
be supporting. I think that the lady’s got a fantastic amendment,
and I would urge its adoption, and with that, I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment? The gentlelady from Min-
nesota is seeking recognition.
Ms. CRAIG. Yes, thank you, Madam Chairwoman.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Strike the last word.
Ms. CRAIG. Thank you. I want to just take a moment to thank
my colleague, Ms. Tenney, for her support of small manufacturers.
I share her priority of creating great manufacturing jobs right here
in the United States, across our country, and of course in each of
our districts. That is exactly what the SBIC Program does by in-
vesting in small manufacturers and increasing the diversity of in-
vestors within the SBIC through the Emerging Managers Program.
I really do hope to continue to work with you, Ms. Tenney, on the
AIM Act, outside of the confines of the reconciliation process, so
that we can continue to strengthen the manufacturing sector. So,
while I agree we need to support our small manufacturers, I would
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Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Is there
any further debate on the amendment?
I will now recognize myself. I ask my colleagues to oppose this
amendment because, as Ms. Houlahan stated, it intends to under-
mine our efforts to address the investment gaps that our committee
has observed over the years. The question now is on the amend-
ment by the gentlelady from New York. I ask all Members attend-
ing virtually——
Ms. TENNEY. I request—Madam Chair, I request a recorded
vote.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Not yet.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. I ask all Members attending vir-
tually——
Ms. TENNEY. If she did a vote, I didn’t hear her.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ.—to please unmute yourself for the
vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Ms. TENNEY. Now, I request a recorded vote, Madam Chair.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlewoman has requested a
recorded vote. A roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee
Rule 13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the
amendment are postponed.
We move on to consideration of amendment number 10, Tenney
2V1. For what purpose does the gentlelady from New York seek
recognition?
Ms. TENNEY. I have an amendment at the desk.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the amend-
ment.
The CLERK. Amendment to the amendment in the nature——
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Without objection, further reading of
the amendment will be dispensed with. The gentlewoman is recog-
nized for 5 minutes.
Ms. TENNEY. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman and Ranking
Member Luetkemeyer. Today, I ask my colleagues to support my
amendment to redirect all funding from the New Start Entrepre-
neurial Development Program for formerly incarcerated individ-
uals. My amendment would redirect this funding to Small Business
Development Centers, so they can expand and improve resources
for rural small businesses during what is a very difficult time.
Throughout the pandemic, too many of our small businesses have
suffered, struggling to make payroll and keep their doors open.
Now, as they try to adjust to a new normal, they are having to con-
tend with historically high inflation, worker shortages, and the pos-
sibility of higher taxes. In response to these real concerns, my
Democratic colleagues have proposed spending $35 million on an
unproven pilot program to provide preferential microloans to
former felons. I do not know if this is a parody or if the drafters
of this text thought this was a really good policy. Regardless, it is
an insult to the many businesses and small businesses struggling
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There are already multiple SBA resources available to felons try-
ing to get back on their feet, including workshops, mentoring, and
financial literacy classes. Why would we choose to create a loan
program that now gives public money preferentially to felons over
their law-abiding counterparts, who are in desperate need of help
themselves? A far better use of this money would be to direct it to-
wards rural small businesses for the benefit of rural Americans,
former felons included, as many of these employers are having to
navigate the uncertainties of the PPP Loan Forgiveness and con-
clusion of other emergency COVID-19 provisions. It is far more im-
portant for us to ensure that they have the resources they need to
have some success, particularly in rural areas. Let’s stop with the
misguided attempts to social engineer and work our policies and
actually help all Americans. I urge my colleagues to vote for this
amendment and respect the taxpayers in New York and throughout
the nation. Thank you. I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Madam Chair, this is Congressman
Luetkemeyer. I just want to make a couple small, short remarks.
I move to strike the last word.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman is recognized for 5
minutes.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Thank you very much. Again, I think the
gentlelady from New York has a very thoughtful amendment here.
She is taking dollars that are thrown out there for a pilot program,
where we really probably don’t need, and putting it in a program
that is already established, that actually does the job that it is sup-
posed to do and wants to improve that, especially looking out for
her own folks, from the rural parts of the country. I think it is a
very appropriate, very timely amendment, and with that, I urge its
adoption, and I yield back.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentleman yields back. Do other
Members wish to be recognized on the amendment?
I will now recognize myself. I oppose the amendment offered by
Congresswoman Tenney, which will strike the New Start Entrepre-
neurial Development Program for formerly incarcerated individuals
and redirect funding to SBDCs for rural outreach. These resources
will complement the Prison to Proprietorship funding in this pack-
age by expanding the geographic reach of services. Providing crit-
ical funding to utilize private and nonprofit organizations to assist
the formerly incarcerated and help them succeed is vital to their
successful reentry to society and will ultimately prevent them from
returning to prison. With that said, I share my colleagues’ support
for SBDCs, which provide vital counseling, training, and technical
assistance to small businesses.
In fiscal year 2021, the SBDC Program received $136 million in
annual appropriations and $192 million through the CARES Act.
In the last Congress, we passed the H.R. 4406, the Small Business
Development Center Improvement Act of 2019, which authorized
$175 million for each fiscal year from fiscal year 2020 to fiscal year
2023 for SBDCs. I am happy to work with my colleagues across the
aisle to ensure they receive the funding they need, as we prepare
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With that said, this amendment only provides additional funding
to SBDCs, which may have the adverse effect of limiting outreach
and engagement to rural small businesses. By providing funding
and resources to the Office of Rural Affairs in today’s package, we
hope to increase the outreach agencywide, which includes SBA dis-
trict offices and all their resource partners. In closing, I urge my
colleagues to oppose this amendment.
The question is on the amendment by the gentlelady from New
York. I ask all Members attending virtually to please unmute your-
self for the vote.
All those in favor, say aye.
All those opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the noes have it. The amendment is
not agreed to.
Ms. TENNEY. Madam Chair, I request a recorded vote.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The gentlelady has requested a re-
corded vote. The roll call vote is ordered. Pursuant to Committee
Rule 13 and House Rule XI, Clause 2, further proceedings on the
amendment are postponed.
Does any Member seek recognition to offer additional amend-
ments? Seeing none, the Committee stands in recess until 2:30. An
email will be sent to Members notifying them when the Committee
will return from recess.
[Recess]
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Good afternoon. The Committee will
come to order. The Committee will now resume consideration of the
amendments on which roll call votes were requested and post-
poned. There are 20 postponed recorded votes. The question now
occurs on the following amendments which will be considered en
bloc: Luetkemeyer 2v1, Hagedorn 2v1, Stauber 1v1, Stauber 2v1,
Meuser 2v1, Young Kim 1v1, Donalds 1v1, Donalds 2v1, Fitzgerald
1v1. All of these amendments previously failed by voice vote.
The clerk will please call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden? Mr. Golden?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Mr. Golden? Please unmute yourself.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. He isn’t there.
The CLERK. Mr. Crow?
Mr. CROW. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Crow votes no. Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Davids votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes no. Mr. Mfume?
Mr. MFUME. Mr. Mfume votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Mfume votes no. Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes no. Ms. Newman?
Ms. NEWMAN. I vote nay.
The CLERK. Ms. Newman?
[No response.]
Ms. Bourdeaux?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. No.
The CLERK. Ms. Bourdeaux votes no. Mr. Carter?
Mr. CARTER. Carter votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Carter votes no. Ms. Chu?

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Ms. CHU. Chu votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes no. Mr. Evans?
Mr. EVANS. Evans votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Evans votes no. Mr. Delgado?
[No response.]
Ms. Houlahan?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Houlahan votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Houlahan votes no. Mr. Kim?
Mr. KIM. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Kim votes no. Ms. Craig?
Ms. CRAIG. Craig votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Craig votes no. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. Luetkemeyer, you are muted.
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Luetkemeyer votes yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes aye. Mr. Williams?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Williams votes aye. Mr. Hagedorn?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Hagedorn votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Hagedorn votes aye. Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber votes yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes aye. Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. Meuser votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes aye. Ms. Tenney?
Ms. TENNEY. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Tenney votes aye. Mr. Garbarino?
Mr. GARBARINO. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Garbarino votes aye. Ms. Young Kim?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Young Kim votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Young Kim votes aye. Ms. Van Duyne?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Van Duyne votes aye. Mr. Donalds?
Mr. DONALDS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds votes aye. Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. I vote yes. Salazar votes yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye. Mr. Fitzgerald?
Mr. FITZGERALD. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Fitzgerald votes aye. Ms. Velázquez?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Velázquez no.
The CLERK. Ms. Velázquez votes no. Mr. Golden?
[No response.]
Ms. Newman?
Ms. NEWMAN. Newman votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Newman votes no. Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes no. Mr. Delgado?
Mr. Delgado, unmute yourself, please.
Mr. DELGADO. Delgado votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Delgado votes no.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Are there any other Members that
wish to vote? The clerk will report the tally.
The CLERK. On this vote there were 12 ayes and 15 noes.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The amendments are not agreed to.
The question now occurs on the following amendments which will
be considered en bloc: Hagedorn 1v1, Meuser 1v1, Tenney 1v1,

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Tenney 2v1, Garbarino 1v1, Young Kim 2v1, Van Duyne 1v1, Van
Duyne 2v1, Fitzgerald 2v1. All of these amendments previously
failed by voice vote.
The clerk will please call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes no. Mr. Crow?
Mr. CROW. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Crow votes no. Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Davids no.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes no. Mr. Mfume? Mr. Mfume?
Mr. MFUME. Mr. Mfume votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Mfume votes no. Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. Phillips votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes no. Ms. Newman?
Ms. NEWMAN. Newman votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Newman votes no. Ms. Bourdeaux?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. Bourdeaux votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Bourdeaux votes no. Mr. Carter?
Mr. CARTER. Carter votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Carter votes no. Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Chu votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes no. Mr. Evans?
Mr. EVANS. Evans votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Evans votes no. Mr. Delgado?
Mr. DELGADO. Delgado votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Delgado votes no. Ms. Houlahan?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Houlahan votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Houlahan votes no. Mr. Kim?
Mr. KIM. Kim votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Kim votes no. Ms. Craig?
Ms. CRAIG. Craig votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Craig votes no. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Luetkemeyer votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes aye. Mr. Williams?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Williams votes aye. Mr. Hagedorn?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Hagedorn votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Hagedorn votes aye. Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes aye. Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. Meuser votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes aye. Ms. Tenney?
Ms. TENNEY. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Tenney votes aye. Mr. Garbarino?
Mr. GARBARINO. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Garbarino votes aye. Ms. Young Kim?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Young Kim votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Young Kim votes aye. Ms. Van Duyne?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Van Duyne votes aye. Mr. Donalds?
Mr. DONALDS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds votes aye. Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Salazar votes yes.

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The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye. Mr. Fitzgerald?
Mr. FITZGERALD. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Fitzgerald votes aye. Ms. Velázquez?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Velázquez votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Velázquez votes no.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Are there any other Members that
wish to vote? The clerk will report the tally.
The CLERK. On this vote there were 12 ayes and 15 noes.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The amendments are not agreed to.
The question is now on Garbarino 2v1. The clerk will please call
the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes no. Mr. Crow?
Mr. CROW. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Crow votes no. Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Davids votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes no. Mr. Mfume?
Mr. MFUME. Mr. Mfume votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Mfume votes no. Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes no. Ms. Newman?
Ms. NEWMAN. Newman votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Newman votes no. Ms. Bourdeaux?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. Bourdeaux votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Bourdeaux votes no. Mr. Carter?
Mr. Carter?
[No response.]
Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Chu votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes no. Mr. Evans? Mr. Evans?
[No response.]
Mr. Delgado?
Mr. DELGADO. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Delgado votes no. Ms. Houlahan?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Houlahan votes aye. Mr. Kim?
Mr. KIM. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Kim votes no. Ms. Craig?
Ms. CRAIG. Craig votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Craig votes no. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Luetkemeyer votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes aye. Mr. Williams?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Williams votes aye. Mr. Hagedorn?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Hagedorn votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Hagedorn votes aye. Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes aye. Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. Meuser votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes aye. Ms. Tenney?
Ms. TENNEY. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Tenney votes aye. Mr. Garbarino?
Mr. GARBARINO. Aye.

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The CLERK. Mr. Garbarino votes aye. Ms. Young Kim?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Young Kim votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Young Kim votes aye. Ms. Van Duyne?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Van Duyne votes aye. Mr. Donalds?
Mr. DONALDS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds votes aye. Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Salazar votes yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye. Mr. Fitzgerald?
Mr. FITZGERALD. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Fitzgerald votes aye. Ms. Velázquez?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Velázquez votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Velázquez votes no. Mr. Carter?
Mr. CARTER. Madam Chair? I am not sure if I have voted.
The CLERK. Is that Mr. Carter?
Mr. CARTER. I am sorry. Carter votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Carter votes no. Mr. Evans?
Mr. EVANS. Evans votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Evans votes no.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Are there any other Members that
wish to vote?
The clerk will report the tally.
The CLERK. On this vote there were 12 ayes and 15 noes.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The amendment is not agreed to.
The next question is Luetkemeyer 1v1.
The clerk will please call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes no. Mr. Crow?
Mr. CROW. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Crow votes no. Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Davids votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes no. Mr. Mfume?
Mr. MFUME. Mr. Mfume votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Mfume votes no. Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. Phillips votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes no. Ms. Newman?
Ms. NEWMAN. Newman votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Newman votes no. Ms. Bourdeaux?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. Bourdeaux votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Bourdeaux votes no. Mr. Carter?
Mr. CARTER. No. Carter votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Carter votes no. Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Chu votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes no. Mr. Evans?
Mr. EVANS. Evans votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Evans votes no. Mr. Delgado?
Mr. DELGADO. Delgado votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Delgado votes no. Ms. Houlahan?
Ms. HOULAHAN. No.
The CLERK. Ms. Houlahan votes no. Mr. Kim?
Mr. KIM. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Kim votes no. Ms. Craig?
Ms. CRAIG. Craig votes no.

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The CLERK. Ms. Craig votes no. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Luetkemeyer votes yes. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes aye. Mr. Williams?
Mr. Williams? Mr. Williams?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Williams votes aye. Mr. Hagedorn?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Hagedorn votes——
The CLERK. Could you repeat that, please? Mr. Hagedorn?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Hagedorn votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Hagedorn votes aye. Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes aye. Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. Meuser votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes aye. Ms. Tenney?
Ms. TENNEY. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Tenney votes aye. Mr. Garbarino?
Mr. GARBARINO. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Garbarino votes aye. Ms. Young Kim?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Young Kim votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Young Kim votes aye. Ms. Van Duyne?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Van Duyne votes aye. Mr. Donalds?
Mr. DONALDS. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds votes aye. Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Salazar votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes aye. Mr. Fitzgerald?
Mr. FITZGERALD. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Fitzgerald votes aye.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Are there any other Members that
wish to vote?
The CLERK. Ms. Velázquez?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Oh.
The CLERK. Sorry.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. I guess myself. Velázquez votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Velázquez votes no.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Are there any other Members that
wish to vote?
The clerk will report the tally.
The CLERK. On this vote there were 12 ayes and 15 noes.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The amendment is not agreed to.
The question now occurs on the amendment in the nature of a
substitute. A recorded vote is ordered.
The clerk will please call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes aye. Mr. Crow?
Mr. CROW. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Crow votes aye. Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Yes. Davids votes yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes aye. Mr. Mfume?
Mr. MFUME. Mr. Mfume votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Mfume votes aye. Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. Phillips votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes aye. Ms. Newman?

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Ms. NEWMAN. Newman votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Newman votes aye. Ms. Bourdeaux?
[No response.]
Mr. Carter?
Mr. CARTER. Carter votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Carter votes aye. Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Chu votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes aye. Mr. Evans?
Mr. EVANS. Evans votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Evans votes aye. Mr. Delgado?
Mr. DELGADO. Delgado votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Delgado votes aye. Ms. Houlahan?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Houlahan votes aye. Mr. Kim?
Mr. KIM. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Kim votes aye. Ms. Craig?
Ms. CRAIG. Craig votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Craig votes aye. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Luetkemeyer votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes no. Mr. Williams?
Mr. WILLIAMS. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Williams votes no. Mr. Hagedorn?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Hagedorn votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Hagedorn votes no. Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes no. Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes no. Ms. Tenney?
Ms. TENNEY. No.
The CLERK. Ms. Tenney votes no. Mr. Garbarino?
Mr. GARBARINO. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Garbarino votes no. Ms. Young Kim?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Young Kim votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Young Kim votes no. Ms. Van Duyne?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. No.
The CLERK. Ms. Van Duyne votes no. Mr. Donalds?
Mr. DONALDS. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds votes no. Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Salazar votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes no. Mr. Fitzgerald?
Mr. FITZGERALD. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Fitzgerald votes no. Ms. Velázquez?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Velázquez votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Velázquez votes aye. Ms. Bourdeaux?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. Yes. Ms. Bourdeaux votes yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Bourdeaux votes aye.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The clerk will report the tally.
The CLERK. On this vote there were 15 ayes and 12 noes.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The questions occurs on the Com-
mittee Print as amended.
All in favor, say aye.
All opposed, say no.
In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and the Committee
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The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Maryland to make
a motion.
Mr. MFUME. Madam Chair, I move that the Committee do now
transmit the recommendations of the Committee and all appro-
priate accompanying materials, including additional supplemental,
minority, or dissenting views, to the House Committee on the
Budget in order to comply with the reconciliation directive included
in section 2002 of the Concurrent Resolution on the Budget for Fis-
cal Year 2022 as Common Resolution 14 and consistent with sec-
tion 310 of the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control
Act of 1974.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The question is on the motion offered
by the gentleman from Maryland. A recorded vote is ordered. The
clerk will please call the roll.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden?
Mr. GOLDEN. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Golden votes aye. Mr. Crow?
Mr. CROW. Yes.
The CLERK. Mr. Crow votes aye. Ms. Davids?
Ms. DAVIDS. Davids votes yes.
The CLERK. Ms. Davids votes aye. Mr. Mfume?
Mr. MFUME. Mr. Mfume votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Mfume votes aye. Mr. Phillips?
Mr. PHILLIPS. Phillips votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Phillips votes aye. Ms. Newman?
Ms. NEWMAN. Newman votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Newman votes aye. Ms. Bourdeaux?
Ms. BOURDEAUX. Bourdeaux votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Bourdeaux votes aye. Mr. Carter?
Mr. CARTER. Carter votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Carter votes aye. Ms. Chu?
Ms. CHU. Chu votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Chu votes aye. Mr. Evans?
Mr. EVANS. Evans votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Evans votes aye. Mr. Delgado?
Mr. DELGADO. Delgado votes aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Delgado votes aye. Ms. Houlahan? Ms.
Houlahan?
Ms. HOULAHAN. Aye. Aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Houlahan votes aye. Mr. Kim?
Mr. KIM. Aye.
The CLERK. Mr. Kim votes aye. Ms. Craig?
Ms. CRAIG. Craig votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Craig votes aye. Mr. Luetkemeyer?
Mr. LUETKEMEYER. Luetkemeyer votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Luetkemeyer votes no. Mr. Williams?
Mr. WILLIAMS. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Williams votes no. Mr. Hagedorn?
Mr. HAGEDORN. Hagedorn votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Hagedorn votes no. Mr. Stauber?
Mr. STAUBER. Stauber votes no.
The CLERK. Mr. Stauber votes no. Mr. Meuser?
Mr. MEUSER. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Meuser votes no. Ms. Tenney?

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Ms. TENNEY. No.
The CLERK. Ms. Tenney votes no. Mr. Garbarino?
Mr. GARBARINO. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Garbarino votes no. Ms. Young Kim?
Ms. YOUNG KIM. Young Kim votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Young Kim votes no. Ms. Van Duyne?
Ms. VAN DUYNE. No.
The CLERK. Ms. Van Duyne votes no. Mr. Donalds?
Mr. DONALDS. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Donalds votes no. Ms. Salazar?
Ms. SALAZAR. Salazar votes no.
The CLERK. Ms. Salazar votes no. Mr. Fitzgerald?
Mr. FITZGERALD. No.
The CLERK. Mr. Fitzgerald votes no. Ms. Velázquez?
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Velázquez votes aye.
The CLERK. Ms. Velázquez votes aye.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. Are there any other Members that
wish to vote? The clerk will report the tally.
The CLERK. On this vote there were 15 ayes and 12 noes.
Chairwoman VELÁZQUEZ. The ayes have it and the motion is
agreed to.
Without objection, Committee staff is authorized to correct punc-
tuation, make other necessary technical corrections, and confirming
changes. Members will have 2 business days to file additional sup-
plemental dissenting and minority views.
Let me thank all the Members for your participation and hard
work today. Without objection, the meeting is adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 3:09 p.m., the committee was adjourned.]

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