Congressional Record — House, September 17, 2020
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Page H4530 of the House section of the Congressional Record for September 17, 2020. It prints recorded votes under House Resolution 965, including on a motion to recommit and on the Pregnant Workers Fairness Act. A Democratic speaker thanks the departing Parliamentarian, Tom, who served for essentially four Congresses, 8 years, and congratulates Deputy Parliamentarian Jason Smith, who will succeed him. Dean says recovery is challenging and isolating, and speaks for National Recovery Month. Another speaker honors Hope Lee, a constituent of the 14th Congressional District celebrating a 100th birthday, who received a Bronze Star Medal in World War II.
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H4530 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE September 17, 2020
COVID–19 (Rep. Meng—Judiciary); ‘‘nay’’ on his days in the House of Representa- working closely with him every day to
motion to recommit on H.R. 2694—Pregnant tives. He has been here for a significant ensure the smooth and proper running
Workers Fairness Act (Rep. Nadler—Edu- period of time and has served as our of the floor.
cation and Labor); and ‘‘yea’’ on H.R. 2694— Parliamentarian for essentially four On behalf of Democrats, and I know
Pregnant Workers Fairness Act (Rep. Nad- Congresses, 8 years. Mr. SCALISE will speak on behalf of his
ler—Education and Labor). He stands—or sits, at this point in party as well, I want to thank you,
MEMBERS RECORDED PURSUANT TO HOUSE time—a short, at least 6 feet, distance, Tom, for your service, for your dedica-
RESOLUTION 965, 116TH CONGRESS with his mask on, which is a unique ex- tion to this institution, for the tem-
Barragán (Beyer) Langevin Rooney (FL) perience for him, from the Speaker’s perate way in which you dealt with all
Blumenauer (Lynch) (Beyer) rostrum. He is there to ensure that we of us, even when we were not tem-
(Beyer) Lawrence Roybal-Allard play by the rules. He is there to ensure perate. You were steady, thoughtful,
Butterfield (Kildee) (Aguilar)
(Kildee) Lawson (FL)
us that we do not take advantage of fair.
Rush
Chu, Judy (Demings) (Underwood)
one another, but that we resolve, in Also, as I said, I want to congratulate
(Takano) Lieu, Ted (Beyer) Serrano pursuit of the rules, the differences Deputy Parliamentarian JASON SMITH,
Clay (Davids Lipinski (Cooper) that we may have and do so in a way
(KS)) Lofgren (Jeffries)
(Jeffries) who will succeed Tom as Parliamen-
Cohen (Beyer) Lowenthal
Sewell (AL) that, for centuries, essentially, have tarian of the House. He will, as every
(DelBene) governed how we process in the legisla-
Davis, Danny K. (Beyer)
Sires (Pallone)
Parliamentarian with whom I have
(Underwood) Lowey (Tonko)
Trahan
tive arena. served, be fair, be honest, and call
DeSaulnier Meng (Clark It is a nonpartisan role. Obviously,
(Matsui) (MA)) (McGovern) them as he sees them. My staff and I
Frankel (Clark Moore (Beyer) Waters he served when there were Republican look forward to working with him in
(MA)) Napolitano (Brownley Speakers, and obviously, he is serving his new role.
Grijalva (Raskin) (Correa) (CA)) now with a Democratic Speaker. It is
Watson Coleman
Mr. SCALISE. Madam Speaker, re-
Hastings Payne nonpartisan, but it is sometimes
(Wasserman (Wasserman (Pallone) claiming my time.
Schultz) Schultz) Welch thankless, particularly when you have Obviously, we will have an oppor-
Jayapal (Raskin) Pingree (Clark (McGovern) to make a ruling, particularly that the tunity to continue, as we should, this
Khanna (Gomez) (MA)) Wilson (FL) majority party does not like. tribute to Tom Wickham.
Kirkpatrick Pocan (Raskin) (Hayes) I must say that there is probably not
(Gallego) Porter (Wexton) So, Tom, congratulations on what
a Member among us who hasn’t at you have done to preserve the integrity
f some point in time said either, ‘‘Gee, I of this institution.
LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM am sorry Wickham made that ruling,’’ We come here as Republicans, Demo-
(Mr. SCALISE asked and was given or, ‘‘I don’t agree with Wickham.’’ crats, as Americans first, but people
permission to address the House for 1 Therefore, it is a tough job because we who all have their own views. Even if
minute and to revise and extend his re- are all pretty powerful people. We all you are Republican, we don’t all think
marks.) think we are pretty smart people, and exactly the same way, as Democrats
Mr. SCALISE. Madam Speaker, I rise we know this, that, and the other. So, don’t always think the same way. But
you have to have the courage of your we come here to achieve certain things,
for the purpose of inquiring of the ma-
convictions as well as the intellectual to make this a more perfect Union in
jority leader the schedule for next
reasoning to go behind your decision. the ways in which our districts—our
week.
Tom Wickham has had that every day 750,000, roughly, people elect us to
Madam Speaker, I am happy to yield
he has served in this House. come and be part of this democracy,
to my friend, the gentleman from It is hard to be a referee because the
Maryland (Mr. HOYER), the House ma- the world’s greatest democracy.
calls don’t always go the way people
jority leader. You come and work with other peo-
want. One of the hallmarks of the Par-
HONORING RETIRING PARLIAMENTARIAN THOMAS ple. Sometimes, you battle with other
liamentarian’s Office, and Tom
J. WICKHAM, JR. people in the arena of legislative ideas.
Wickham in particular, is they call
Mr. HOYER. Madam Speaker, I It is not physical confrontation, as the
them as they see them. No matter the
thank the gentleman for yielding. majority leader pointed out. But some-
effect of those rulings, they make the
Before we begin the colloquy, let me times, you have to persuade. Some-
ruling that they believe is correct. You
make some remarks about someone times, you have to fight for your be-
can disagree, but what you cannot dis-
who has made a real difference in this liefs.
agree with is that the Parliamentar-
House. But ultimately, if you are going to
ian’s Office prides itself on calling
Madam Speaker, every society that achieve the things you came here to
them as they see them.
wants to be a successful society has to Now, it was difficult, I am sure, for do, you have to change legislation. It
have rules. Thomas Jefferson, one of every Parliamentarian, and the Parlia- takes an act of Congress, as they say.
the great political thinkers of the cen- mentarian’s Office, to conduct this When you do that, you have to follow
turies, observed that there had to be role. But they have done so in a man- the rules.
both comity and fairness if we were ner, all the time I have been here, The Jefferson Manual that goes back
going to come together and have a de- which I am in my 40th year, that has to 1801 are the rules that govern this
mocracy that was operational. been a credit to the House of Rep- great House. If there is a bill on the
Dick Gephardt used to say that the resentatives, a credit to our democ- floor and you wish to make a change to
legislative process was a substitute for racy, a credit to Thomas Jefferson’s that bill, you want to offer an amend-
armed confrontation, that the resolu- perception of trying to create rules and ment to the bill, bring a motion to re-
tion of differences in a democracy ways of doing things that credited de- commit on the bill, you have to work
needed to be done in a civil way, pursu- mocracy, that did not undermine it. within the rules. Those rules are inter-
ant to rules. Tom was also the Deputy Parliamen- preted not by the majority, not by the
Madam Speaker, we are losing, in a tarian and the Assistant Parliamen- minority, but by the Parliamentarian.
short period of time, a gentleman who tarian, so he has had a lot of experi- The job you have done for 25 years in
has made a difference for this House, ence. He has spent a quarter of a cen- the Parliamentarian’s Office, but espe-
this Congress—House and Senate—has tury working for this House. cially since 2011 as the House Parlia-
made a difference to the civility of this I will miss him. We will miss him. mentarian, you don’t always tell peo-
House, a gentleman who, by the way, is This Congress will miss him. ple what they want to hear, but you
not responsible in any way for the lack He will be succeeded by somebody tell people what is the right way to do
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of civility that, from time to time, who has experience and depth and will, something according to the rules that
breaks out in this House. I know, in the tradition of all the Par- we have established so that there is a
liamentarians with whom I have fair process.
b 1430 worked over those 40 years, be fair and A lot of people don’t see this back
I refer, Madam Speaker, to our Par- unflinching in calling it as he sees it. and forth. If the Parliamentarian rules
liamentarian, Tom Wickham. I have We will miss Tom’s good humor and against you, it is not a personal thing.
had the privilege of knowing him all of kind nature. I know my staff will miss In many cases, a Member will go to the
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Parliamentarian, Republican or Demo- loyalty, and talent that has contrib- ther damage our economy and under-
crat—I have done this myself—and uted to this House’s operation by all of mine our efforts on COVID–19.
said, ‘‘This is what I would like to our staff. He is one of the best, but we In addition, the House will consider
achieve.’’ have the best. H.R. 4447, the Clean Economy Jobs and
Sometimes, they tell you that you Tom, I know you treated all the Innovation Act. This bill, Madam
can’t do it on that bill because there staff, certainly on my staff—and I Speaker, is a package of legislation re-
are germaneness issues. But some- know all the staff—with great respect ported out of the Energy and Com-
times, there is that gray area where if because you knew how important they merce Committee and the Science,
you are trying to do it this way, it were. We all know how important you Space, and Technology Committee to
won’t work, but if you try to do it an- have been to the operations of this invest in energy innovation and clean
other way, it actually would work. House. energy development.
That is really the art of the ability of I don’t know what you will be doing. In addition, the House may consider
a Parliamentarian, to work with Mem- But assuming that you, at this young H.R. 6270, the Uyghur Forced Labor
bers of Congress to help them achieve age of yours—I told you that you were Disclosure Act, and H.R. 6210, the
the things they are trying to do. We way too young for us to let you go, but Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act.
still have to go and get the votes, but you are going—you will be doing other Members are advised that additional
at least allowing a Member that oppor- things, and you will bring great value legislative items are possible.
tunity to go fight it out and make to whatever enterprise you pursue. I yield back to my friend, the Repub-
their case. We have been blessed for a quarter of lican whip.
In many cases, that case wouldn’t be a century with your service, and we
thank you for that service. Godspeed. b 1445
able to be made if the Parliamentarian
wasn’t fair in offering that guidance to Mr. SCALISE. Madam Speaker, re- Mr. SCALISE. Madam Speaker, I
Members of Congress, whatever they claiming my time. thank the gentleman and appreciate
are trying to achieve, whatever their Madam Speaker, we all appreciate the timeline, especially the comments
background, whatever their district, to Tom’s service to our country and espe- about the negotiations that have been
be fair and to at least give them that cially to this Chamber. going on in a very constructive way re-
Now, if I may inquire of the majority garding a continuing resolution. They
opportunity to come here on the House
leader the schedule for next week, and have definitely been in good faith with
floor and fight that battle, hopefully
I would yield. Republicans and Democrats as well as
right that wrong, and advance the
Mr. HOYER. Madam Speaker, on with the White House. It is encour-
things that they were elected to go do
Monday, the House will meet at 12 p.m. aging to hear that, potentially, tomor-
to make this a more perfect Union.
for legislative business. No votes are row that could be filed and we fully ex-
So thank you, Tom, for that fairness.
expected in the House on Monday. pect to be ready to take that up next
I know as Jason takes on this role in
On Tuesday, the House will meet at 9 week if that does, in fact, happen.
a few weeks, he will have a great leg-
a.m. for morning-hour debate and 11 I know the differences that we have
acy to build upon and to look toward
a.m. for legislative business. been talking about in the last few days
somebody who did the job right and I would remind Members that Mon-
served this country in a very proud and are minor in consideration of all of the
day is expected to be a travel day fol- factors that are included in a con-
respected way. lowing the holiday. So, Monday we will
I know Heather is probably watching tinuing resolution. So I think, as peo-
have business on the floor, but we will ple watch some of the bigger fights
on C–SPAN. I am not sure how many have no votes on the floor.
other people are, but Heather, hope- that are real between the two sides, to
On Wednesday and Thursday, the see that on something as important as
fully, is, your wife. She will have more House will meet at 9 a.m. for morning-
time to work with you. I am not sure properly and responsibly funding the
hour debate and 11 a.m. for legislative government that we are making very
who the parliamentarian of your house business.
is. I am the House Republican whip, good progress on at least a short-term
On Friday, the House will meet at 9
but in my house, Jennifer is the one mechanism that would stave off any
a.m. for legislative business.
who plays that role. We will consider several bills, Madam kind of shutdown between now and
But in your house, hopefully, Heath- Speaker, under suspension of the rules, September 30, I appreciate the work
er sees you more, because you are here a large number of suspension bills, in that has been done by the majority
when we are here, and sometimes those fact. The complete list of suspension with the minority and with the White
are late hours, and sometimes those bills will be announced by the close of House and Senate to get to that point.
are long weekends. business tomorrow. Hopefully, we do get that legislation
We appreciate the sacrifices you have The House will consider, as well, next filed and are able to take it up next
made. Hopefully, in this next role in week a continuing resolution for fiscal week.
your life, you will be able to enjoy year 2021. Unless the gentleman had anything
more time with your wife, Heather, and Madam Speaker, the House has else on that, there was another legisla-
your family. passed 10 of its appropriations bills of tive issue I wanted to bring up.
We truly do thank you for playing the 12 appropriations bills we have. As we both know, there are conversa-
this part of your role in history and Sadly, the Senate has not passed a tions going on regarding a potential
adding to what is great about this single bill out of committee, has not next relief package. We don’t know if
great democracy. voted on a single appropriations bill in there will be an agreement reached.
Do you mind standing up so every- its committee. As a result, clearly, we These negotiations have been going on
body in the Chamber here can see you will not be able to conclude the appro- for weeks and weeks since the CARES
and pay the proper tribute? priations process, and we will have to Act, the multiple pieces of legislation
Madam Speaker, I yield to my friend. have a CR to make sure that govern- that we filed both before and after that
Mr. HOYER. Madam Speaker, I ment stays serving the American peo- we have come to an agreement on,
thank the gentleman for yielding. ple. things like the Paycheck Protection
If I might wryly observe, Madam Hopefully, we can reach a bipartisan Program that both sides worked very
Speaker, that I have not seen the Par- agreement, and there will not be a con- hard on, very successfully on.
liamentarian pass you a note to in- troversial continuing resolution. I Reports have come out to show over
struct the gentleman to address the know Democrats and Republicans and 50 million Americans’ jobs were saved
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Chair. the administration are working toward by the work we did as a Congress work-
Tom, I am going to address you. that end. ing together to save millions of small
Mr. SCALISE. As I was addressing it I expect and hope a bill to be filed to- businesses and over 50 million jobs as
to the Speaker, of course. morrow. That is our hope. But we do we are struggling through this pan-
Mr. HOYER. Tom Wickham, for those expect to consider that bill next week. demic.
who are watching, is a wonderful exam- The CR, as I said, is necessary to One of the things I would like to ask
ple of the extraordinary patriotism, avert a shutdown that would only fur- the gentleman to take a look at is that
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we may get an agreement, but we may get an agreement, to potentially bring PPP, but all the other programs that I
not on a bigger relief package, and we something like that to the floor—that mentioned and many more that are in
see multiple bills that are out there. could be a suspension-type bill to the HEROES bill.
The Senate has been trying to advance pass—and, at least while we are negoti- The Speaker has indicated we are
something. The House has had a posi- ating things that may or may not hap- certainly prepared to negotiate what
tion. Some House Democrats yesterday pen, help those businesses that we the expenditure is, and she has indi-
filed a separate bill with some other know need help. cated a willingness to come down very,
House Republicans to try to have a I yield to the gentleman. very substantially to try to reach an
third way, and the White House has Mr. HOYER. Madam Speaker, I agreement, which is what compromise
been talking about a different option. thank the gentleman for his comments. is all about. That hasn’t happened yet,
In the meantime, we clearly don’t have Of course, the Paycheck Protection but I am hopeful that it will happen in
an agreement yet on that. Program was a very, very important the near term, because I agree with the
I would ask if the gentleman would program. I was pleased that the com- gentleman, we need to act. I am urging
look at H.R. 8265. This is a bill by Rep- mittees came up with that program the administration and all of us to
resentative CHABOT of Ohio. He is the and we had bipartisan support for that come to an agreement.
lead Republican on the House Small program. Unfortunately, in the Senate, their
Business Committee. This is a bill that I will tell the gentleman that that is efforts have not been successful in
would specifically target those small an important effort for us to take, but passing a bill. So we have no alter-
businesses that were part of the Pay- I would also say it is very important native bill beyond the HEROES bill
check Protection Program. This is not for us to act on behalf of millions of that passed, as I said, 4 months ago, so
a new idea. This is taking the existing people who still do not have a job or we have nothing to conference because
framework of a bill that we, both sides, are on unemployment and need the there is no Senate bill.
came together to pass, a very success- supplemental unemployment that they In fact, Mr. MCCONNELL went from a
ful bill. were receiving to survive and keep trillion down to a half a trillion, which
As the gentleman knows, the Pay- their families going. almost every economist, either at a
check Protection Program still has We have millions of people who are trillion or half a trillion, says is not
over $130 billion remaining in its ac- suffering from food shortages, the in- sufficient for health reasons and eco-
count, money that wasn’t spent. We ability to keep their family fed. We nomic reasons and family reasons to
were able to help every business that need to pass, we believe, the supple- confront the enormity of the challenge
asked. Every business that was eligible mental nutrition program. that still confronts us as a result of
was able to go to their local bank, We need to make sure that States, in COVID–19.
my view, have the ability to function. So I thank the gentleman for men-
didn’t have to go to an SBA lender.
They are hemorrhaging revenues be- tioning Mr. CHABOT’s legislation. He is
Again, I want to thank our small
cause of COVID–19, because of the de- right, of course, there is $130 billion in
community banks that played such an
crease in the economy. States, cities, the pot. I think we ought to purpose
important role. We would not have
municipalities, counties are suffering, that to either a continuation of PPP or
been able to help all those small busi-
a continuation of PPP and other
nesses stay afloat if our local commu- and many other aspects, including test-
things. But I think we ought to do it,
nity banks didn’t participate in helping ing, which is one of the critical compo-
and what we are trying to do is a com-
the customers that they usually see on nents of us confronting COVID–19.
So while I agree with the gentleman prehensive package that deals with all
a daily basis who are struggling. the challenges confronting American
But as that money is sitting in that that the program that he talks about—
families, particularly the unemploy-
account, the program has expired, so of course, we created that program and
ment insurance.
the money can no longer be spent. We we passed it in a bipartisan fashion, As of July 31, as the gentleman
have appropriated this money. It is not and it was very bipartisan in the Sen- knows, the supplemental payment
new money and it is not a new pro- ate. I know Mr. CARDIN and Mr. RUBIO lapsed. To some degree, the President
gram. But what Representative were both involved in that. It was very has tried to put additional sums in
CHABOT’s bill does is it would allow important to pass that. there. Some States are pursuing it and
those small businesses that have shown But I will tell the gentleman that I some States have effected it.
a loss—we know there are some busi- was pleased that the President indi- But I hope that the bottom line is, in
ness doing better today than they were cated that we need to invest very sig- the next week, in the near term, and I
before COVID; there are some that are nificant sums, which he then said think the President’s statement was
doing dramatically worse after COVID. would come back to the U.S. or help helpful, and I hope, frankly, the Sen-
This would specifically be limited to the U.S. economy. I think that was a ators take that to heart, that we need
those businesses that have experienced positive step forward. to invest much more than they sug-
at least a 25 percent loss or more, that I would also observe, as the gen- gested if we are going to meet the
they would be able to go for a second tleman observed, that Speaker PELOSI scope of the problem that exists.
round of Paycheck Protection loans, and Secretary Mnuchin reached four I thank the gentleman bringing to
using existing money, not new money, major deals, compromises—four. One the House’s attention that particular
the money that is locked in an account was, we thought, very big at the time, bill, and certainly it will be under con-
that can no longer be spent. $8.3 billion, which now looks somewhat sideration as well, I think, by those
So maybe we do get an agreement be- small. But we reached four of those. We who are negotiating, mainly Secretary
tween now and then on a larger pack- brought them to the House floor, the Mnuchin and Speaker PELOSI. Mr.
age, but if we don’t, at a minimum, I Senate floor, and they passed over- MCCONNELL has chosen not to partici-
would just ask the gentleman—I would whelmingly in bipartisan votes. pate in those discussions, as you know.
think this would be something that Secretary Mnuchin and the Speaker Mr. SCHUMER does, and I think Mr.
could pass on the suspension calendar have been discussing trying to get to, MCCARTHY does—I am not sure all the
to at least help small businesses using for 4 months now—now, Mr. MEADOWS time, but I am sure he does as well.
a program we already agree upon, that is also in the room. Mr. MEADOWS and We want to get an agreement. We
we already know has been successful. It I have a very positive relationship, but want to do what we have done four
saved small businesses in every single my observation has been, through the times: reached an agreement, passed it
district of this country. It is not a Re- years, Mr. MEADOWS is more about overwhelmingly in both Houses for the
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publican or Democrat plan. It has been stopping deals than making deals. people, because the people are hurting
a plan that truly has been a lifeline for But I agree with the gentleman, we and we need to act and meet that chal-
any of our small businesses. And, need to act. I am hopeful that the ad- lenge of their hurt and their need to
again, over 50 million jobs have been ministration and the Senate and the support themselves, their families, and,
saved. House will reach agreement ASAP, not as you point out, their businesses.
I would just ask the gentleman if he only on the PPP, which I agree with Mr. SCALISE. Madam Speaker, I
would take a look at that, if we don’t the gentleman on, not only on the thank the gentleman.
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As we look at the various topics that I do want to then talk about where tion that America has the best sci-
the gentleman from Maryland brought we are with a vaccine, because we have entific minds in the world. We have the
up on the negotiations, if you looked at been seeing a lot more reports on the most respected drug companies in the
the Senate bill—and, clearly, there are progress, the tremendous progress that world, and they are working feverishly,
multiple bills out there—ultimately, it has been made within the medical com- not cutting a single corner on safety.
is going to take a bipartisan bill work- munity. And we know from the very These would have to be safe and ef-
ing with the administration. Mr. MEAD- beginning of this disease that our fective drugs for the FDA to approve
OWS has been here many times work- frontline healthcare workers have been them, but if any one or all of them get
ing, trying to meet, sometimes not some of the heroes, probably the big- approved, then I would hope we would
being able to get meetings with some gest heroes of all of this, those hospital encourage people to go and protect
leaders. workers, the nurses, the doctors, but their families, if that is what they
But at the same time, if you look at also those people working in the labs. want to do. And I know a lot of people
the Senate bill, they did include some that would want to do it. I have heard
b 1500 from some people, as I am sure the gen-
enhanced unemployment. They in-
cluded more money for small busi- Almost instantly after China lied to tleman has, that they may want to
nesses, for families, for testing. They us about the origination of the disease, wait a little while. But I also know
had $16 billion for testing, $31 billion lied to us about even whether or not that people want to be safe and secure
for vaccine, which I know—I want to the disease could be spread from person in their homes. They want to have a
bring that up. They had $20 billion for to person they corrupted the WHO. But confidence level that they are not
farmers, $15 billion for childcare. ultimately as we started to find out going to be at risk of dying from
They did have liability protection, what was coming out of Wuhan, I don’t COVID. And ultimately a vaccine and a
which continues to be a very big issue know, even the Foreign Affairs Com- therapy are the final answer that gets
many small businesses bring up. They mittee of this House majority had a us over the hump, that gets us to where
want to make sure that, if they open hearing titled: ‘‘The Wuhan we can fully start reopening.
safely, they are not going to be shut Coronavirus.’’ So clearly, we know We are seeing many States at ad-
down by frivolous lawsuits. That is where this started. It has been dis- vanced levels of opening their econ-
something that there has been a lot of cussed. omy, but we also know that we are not
negotiation about as well. But at the same time, we have been where we need to be, and a vaccine is
But, ultimately, when you look at working feverishly to find a cure, to probably going to be that biggest de-
those differences, we will hopefully get find a vaccine. We have seen therapies termining point that helps people re-
that resolved. In the meantime, if that emerge at a rapid pace. President open in a much more effective way. I
can’t get broken, at a minimum, if we Trump implemented Operation Warp hope we can at least agree that if that
can look at some of the money that is Speed, which was a way to get red tape approval comes by the FDA that it is
unspent because, in addition to the out of the way. Nobody is cutting cor- something we can all embrace and en-
PPP, I think the gentleman knows, we ners on safety, but ultimately what we courage people to pursue, if that is
also put about $150 billion in the are all doing is focusing all the energy what they feel is best for their family.
CARES Act toward our States to help and the weight of this Federal Govern- Madam Speaker, I yield to the gen-
all of our States, a formula that al- ment behind finding a cure and a vac- tleman.
cine, and what we are seeing now is re- Mr. HOYER. Madam Speaker, the
lowed States and, in some cases, local
markable success in progress. whip mentioned undermining con-
governments get money to help them-
Here are some of the companies that fidence. I will tell the whip with all due
selves through these tough times. respect; nobody has undermined con-
There is not one State that has spent right now are in phase 3 of testing on
an actual vaccine for COVID–19. These fidence in the healthcare system more
all that money. And I know some peo-
are all very respected companies, not than the President of the United
ple want to talk about how much more
only in America, but worldwide, glob- States. No one has diverted more at-
money to give, but if they haven’t
ally respected. tention from the experts; no one has
spent the money they have already denigrated the experts, which under-
gotten, maybe we can look there as an- I am concerned by some of the com-
ments we are starting to see by some mines confidence in their advice and
other way to help push more relief, in- counsel, than the President of the
cluding with schools. people trying to undermine the public’s
confidence in a vaccine if it were to be United States. And no one in the
If a school wants to reopen safely—
health community said that the
and I would encourage all schools, the approved by the FDA. And let’s keep in
coronavirus was a hoax.
protocols have been out there. The mind, the FDA would have to approve
We have just seen that Mr. Woodward
Centers for Disease Control have put any vaccine. You have to get approved heard in late January that the Presi-
out very good, responsible safety proto- by the FDA to go to phase 2. You have dent thought this was a very serious
cols for safely reopening schools, and it to get approved to go to phase 3, and matter. And then, frankly, he conveyed
varies, depending on the kind of region then ultimately after testing on tens of to the American people, don’t worry
you are in. If you have a spike, there is thousands of people at a pace we have about it, it is going to go away. In a
a way to handle that. If you are in an never seen before—with money, by the few days, a few weeks, it is going to go
area that has not seen a prevalence of way, that we helped pass, and again, away.
COVID, then there is a different way to the gentleman and I both were part of No one has undermined the con-
handle it. But in every case, there is a those coalitions, Republican and Demo- fidence of the American people in the
way to safely reopen schools. The crat, working to put money in place for CDC or the FDA or the NIH more than
American Academy of Pediatrics has that testing, for the work that is being the President of the United States. He
laid that out as well. It means fol- done by these great companies to start said they are wrong.
lowing the safety guidelines, but it can now making the vaccine vials, a hun- And I say that because confidence
be done and needs to be done. dred million vials possibly that could needs to be built by leadership. And if
Unfortunately, in every case it is not be made before the drug is approved if, the vaccine can come out next month,
being done, but it is not for lack of in fact, it then gets that approval, so hooray, if it can be done consistent
money. Any school system that needs that you don’t have to wait to start with what the medical experts and the
more assistance, whether it is masks or mass producing after the approval. pharmaceutical experts tell us can give
screens for the teachers or whatever If the FDA does approve any or all of the American people confidence.
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else they might need, sanitizer, the these drugs as a vaccine that would ac- But I will tell my friend Mr. Caputo
funds that we sent to the States, again, tually prevent COVID–19, I hope we substantially undermined confidence
none of which have spent all of that would both encourage people, if they because he wanted to tell the experts
money, can be used to help to safely re- wanted to, to then go and get that vac- what to say apparently consistent with
open schools as well. cine. And this is, hopefully, not going what the administration’s policy was
So those are all conversations we will to be a debate within the country. as opposed to what the scientific evi-
hopefully have. Hopefully, it is going to be a recogni- dence was.
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And so when you mention confidence, companies. There is no mystery com- role in the administration, and he said
some people were trying to undermine pany. These are the companies that are he has never been sidelined. He was ac-
confidence; we have had six, seven, in competition, not with themselves, tually asked that question, Have you
eight months of undermining con- but they are trying to save lives. And been sidelined? He said, ‘‘no’’ under
fidence. from everything we are hearing, the re- oath.
And it is a shame. Because the gen- sults are tremendously successful. We Now, is he always in agreement with
tleman is absolutely right. People are should be applauding that. the other doctors in the room? No, he
going to need confidence. And they are Operation Warp Speed has gotten us is not. Does that mean he is wrong? No.
going to have to take the vaccine be- to this point, and while the President But maybe he is. But, again, doctors
cause that is the only way this econ- might not get credit—and I think it is can disagree because that is what
omy is going to get back to where it an important point, as the gentleman science is. It is not two plus two equals
needs to be. People having confidence talks about instilling confidence, four every time because you are deal-
in the safety for themselves, their hus- where the President is on science. I ing with some very complicated issues
band, their wife, their children to be have been in many of those meetings of a disease we knew nothing about less
about the business of America and with Dr. Fauci, with Dr. Birx, with the than a year ago.
their own personal business. whole team of the whole coronavirus Fortunately, with Operation Warp
So I would hope that the President task force. Speed, President Trump put together
would leave it to the experts, not to his Mr. HOYER. How about Dr. Redfield? the best scientists, not just in Amer-
judgment, to the experts as to when a Mr. SCALISE. He has been in some of ica, but I would argue in the world, to
vaccine is ready to deliver to the pub- those meetings, too. And as the gen- figure out how to solve this, how to
lic. And then I think all of us ought to tleman knows, not all doctors agree. come up with things like
have that confidence to—I certainly Mr. HOYER. Did you see what hap- hydroxychloroquine, which some peo-
am going to get the vaccine when the pened in the last 48 hours? ple might say doesn’t work. I have
medical experts tell me this is safe to Mr. SCALISE. There are some doc- talked to many doctors who use it suc-
take, and I am going to urge my family tors who will say this is the way to do cessfully to save lives even today. That
to do the same. And I am sure you have it, and there are some doctors who say should be the doctor’s decision. Some
just indicated you would do the same. that is the way to do it. You get 10 at- people want government to control all
I think we will, hopefully, do that. torneys in a room; you might get 10 those decisions. I would rather the doc-
But the instilling of confidence, I opinions. The saying ‘‘go get a second tor being the one to work with his pa-
would tell my friend, starts at the top opinion,’’ that is because maybe not all tient.
and with all of us, as well, because peo- doctors agree. You look at the other drugs that are
ple respect us in some respects some- But when you are President of the out there today, but again, now we talk
times, and they think we have knowl- United States you don’t have the lux- about a vaccine, there is not one com-
edge that they may not have, and ury of waiting for every doctor to be in pany on this list—these are the only
therefore, they want to have con- agreement. If there is an inflection companies right now in phase 3. And if
fidence that, yes, this is good; no, it is point on a decision, and some doctors any of them are approved by the FDA,
not, don’t do it. are over here, and some doctors are I hope nobody would question the in-
So I would simply say to my friend, over there, guess what, it is the Presi- tegrity of that drug.
I hope that we get a vaccine. I hope we dent who has to make that final call, Do you think any of these companies
get it as soon as possible. And I hope not because he has ignored science, but would put their name on a drug that
that the election has nothing to do because he has looked to the science, they don’t stand behind as a safe and
with the vaccine. I hope the decision and ultimately, he has to make that effective vaccine for this disease? And
has everything to do with science and decision. that is really the point.
medicine. And I think all Americans Dr. Fauci himself was in a committee It is all about science here. It is all
hope that, as well. hearing by the Select Subcommittee about science and some people are try-
Mr. SCALISE. Madam Speaker, I that the majority whip, Mr. CLYBURN, ing to undermine that. And we need to
would tell the gentleman it is not hope chairs. I am the lead Republican on get away from that because that will
that you have to have. This is all about that committee. We had Dr. Fauci in cost lives. If somebody is reluctant to
science. our committee. I asked him specifi- take one of these drugs because they
Name one of these companies that cally, I went down the line on major heard somebody that said, well, don’t
would put their name on a drug that decisions that had to be made by this trust it if it comes from this President
would be injected into American people President and whether or not science or that candidate, that is a dangerous
based on politics or based on a timeline was used or not and whether or not it game because lives would be lost if peo-
that would have an impact on an elec- worked. I started, by the way, with the ple didn’t take that vaccine because
tion? Not one of these companies would decision of whether or not to stop they didn’t have that confidence. We
do it. I would challenge anyone to flights from China when we found out all need to have that confidence. We all
name a company that would do that, after China lied that they, in fact, did work with science.
because they wouldn’t do that. So it is have this disease spreading widely in We have all had doctors who told us
not a hope. China, and President Trump made that one thing, and maybe you wanted to go
If the FDA approves one of these decision to stop flights from China. get that second opinion, but at the end
drugs or all of these drugs, it is because I know the Democrat nominee for of the day, you have got to make that
they work, they save lives. And we President was against that decision, choice, and you make it based on all
can’t have an undermined confidence but President Trump worked with the the science that is available, and not
that they would save lives—because a experts. Dr. Fauci was part of that. all the time do all the scientists agree.
vaccine is not something that a Presi- I asked him, I said, Was that the In fact, many times on the complicated
dent or a candidate for President sits right decision by President Trump? issues you get different opinions from
in a lab and figures out. It is a very se- He said, Yes, it was. different scientists. This President has
rious process that the FDA, who is the I said, Did that decision save Amer- worked with some of the best in the
most respected agency in the world for ican lives? world.
drug approval, has to sign off on every He said, Yes, it I did. And according to Dr. Fauci himself,
step of the way. And we went down the line on deci- by and large, the President has fol-
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There are three phases. These are the sion after decision, and they were all lowed even Dr. Fauci’s advice and has
companies that made it all the way science-based. At no point was the made the right decisions up and down
through. There are other companies President trying to undermine science. the line based on science. And most im-
that are in earlier stages and may ac- In fact, some people were trying to portantly, President Trump’s decision
tually get to an FDA-approved vaccine, suggest that Dr. Fauci was being side- following the science has saved Amer-
as well, and they are all very well re- lined, and yet, he was at the hearing, ican lives, starting with that very first
spected, too, but these are the only under oath, speaking on behalf of his decision, which Joe Biden himself was
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against. How many American lives fact, it will give the confidence and the would put their name on that vaccine,
would have been lost if we didn’t ban result that is promised. not one of them.
the flights from China; if we didn’t ban Mr. SCALISE. Madam Speaker, I Again, I would challenge anybody,
the flights from Europe, when it was would just remind the gentleman, with Madam Speaker, if they think any of
breaking out in Europe; if we didn’t do all due respect to Dr. Redfield, he is these companies would cut a corner,
15 days to stop the spread, which Presi- not the head of the FDA. please let us know right now because
dent Trump did on the advice of his sci- The FDA is the agency that approves that is not the case. That narrative
entist? After that they said we need to drugs, and in fact, the FDA is the agen- shouldn’t be out there because that
go another 30 days. President Trump cy working every day with these com- narrative would be a false narrative
did that, too. Every one of those deci- panies. There is a very strict protocol and would cost American lives. If that
sions was based on science. Every one for going through phases of testing. narrative were to get out, then there
of those decisions saved American Now, one thing that is important to might be people who wouldn’t take the
lives. point out on the testing, because, vaccine who otherwise would and
again, some people wonder because Op- should, where it could save their life,
b 1515 because this will save American lives.
eration Warp Speed has gotten us to a
Mr. HOYER. Madam Speaker, I point quicker, maybe in the history of And it is through American inge-
thank the gentleman for yielding. the world, at finding a vaccine for a nuity. We ought to be proud of this.
This President doesn’t take responsi- disease we knew nothing about 8 We should put the politics aside and
bility for anything other than good say thank God America is the leader in
months ago, but the reason they are
things. If anything bad happens, this healthcare to the point where we have
doing it is not because they are cutting
President does not take responsibility. great American companies partnering,
corners. No one in science that I have
He points to somebody else. in this case, with a German company
heard has suggested that they are cut-
What I interrupted the gentleman on here in America, testing at a level we
ting corners because they are not. have never seen before on more people
was he says, ‘‘the scientists.’’ Redfield They have strict protocols.
is a scientist. He is a medical doctor. because we took the priority, through
What they are doing, number one, Operation Warp Speed, to put all the
He is the head of the CDC. He made a the President put real money in place
comment, his best judgment as to when focus of these great agencies on finding
behind making sure that each of these a cure for COVID–19.
vaccines were going to be available, drug companies has direct communica- We are on the brink of doing it. It
widely available. tion with the FDA every step of the may not happen if the science doesn’t
The President contradicted him on way so they know if tests need to be match. But if the science does say
both points he made just a few days run on more people or different demo- these work, we all ought to applaud
ago, as he has done with Fauci, as he graphic groups, as is done with other that and encourage people to explore,
has done with Hahn, as he has done drugs, they can do it quickly. They in a conversation with their doctor,
with others. have a wide range of people willing to whether or not they should take it.
My confidence in those three compa- be tested. Madam Speaker, I yield to the gen-
nies is that they will come to the ref- To the tribute of all Americans, over tleman.
eree and will say: ‘‘Is this ready to 300,000 Americans have signed up for Mr. HOYER. Madam Speaker, I am
go?’’ The referee, in this case the FDA, these tests. This isn’t being tested on not going to prolong this. The only
that the gentleman says is so respected just a few people. Sometimes, a drug thing I would say is, under the gentle-
has that responsibility. takes years and years to get to market man’s theory, Madam Speaker, we
What I don’t have confidence in, for a lot of reasons. One is red tape. wouldn’t need the FDA because, clear-
what I think so many of the American President Trump has done a great job ly, these companies would not do any-
people don’t have confidence in, is they of getting the red tape out of the way thing just because of profit. And I don’t
will get a call from the White House to let the scientists actually do their allege that they would do that.
that says: ‘‘This is the judgment you job in real time. Something could sit But we have an FDA because we need
are going to make.’’ on somebody’s desk for months, in a referee to look at it without thinking
We have seen, over and over and over many cases, delaying lifesaving drugs. of the consequences of a yes or no an-
again, decisions modified because of We have gotten that red tape out of the swer but a scientific answer. That is
White House direction. In fact, Caputo way. the only observation I would make.
was there for exactly that reason at Frankly, we ought to look at work- I get it. I get that the companies are
HHS, not CDC, but overseeing CDC. ing together as Republicans and Demo- reputable companies.
I tell my friend, Madam Speaker, yes, crats at making that the norm, not the I support them. They do great work.
we need to have confidence, but we exception, to actually be able to get But we have an FDA because we need
need to be truthful with them. We need red tape out of the way to help save somebody who is an independent arbi-
to tell them the truth. We need to take ter, not just because no company would
lives.
direction from the experts, not sub- But as they are doing it, they are do this. Because if no company would
stitute our judgment. do it, we wouldn’t need the FDA.
testing it on more people than is nor-
Mr. SCALISE. Madam Speaker, I
The gentleman talks about mally the case. Sometimes, you might
never suggested that. In fact, I said at
hydroxychloroquine. Obviously, Fauci only have a few thousand people who the outset that these companies are in
didn’t think that was a great rec- are willing or in a position to be tested. direct communication with the FDA on
ommendation to make. That was for Today, you have hundreds of thousands a regular basis. That is what Operation
doctors to make, but the President of people who are being tested. Warp Speed is.
made it. In fact, most of the doctors If they make it through each step, it In the old way of doing things, these
thought that was not a good rec- is not based on who is in the White companies would have submitted their
ommendation. House. It is based on what the doctors data and would have waited months
Certainly, Clorox was even less than at the FDA, working with the smart while some faceless bureaucrat let it
that, I say as an aside. Maybe it was people in these drug companies, have sit on a desk and nothing happened.
tongue in cheek, but unfortunately, come up with based on the test results. Instead, what the President did was
when the President speaks, people If they test people and there are prob- said there will be direct contacts where
don’t necessarily think it is tongue in lems, it doesn’t even make it to phase they can communicate with the FDA.
cheek, and it becomes dangerous. 2. They are not the enemy.
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I will say to my friend, hopefully, These are all in phase 3. They are all These companies aren’t the enemy.
that this vaccine issue will be resolved showing tremendous promise, but if The FDA is not the enemy. But it
by the experts and give confidence to one of them makes it through or if all shouldn’t be viewed as you are on one
the American people that they can, in of them make it through, it is not be- side and you are on the other side.
fact, rely on the experts and their doc- cause somebody rushed it. It is because They are both working together be-
tor to take the vaccine because, hope- the doctors and the scientists said it cause they are both part of the smart-
fully, it will be in a position where, in works. Not one of these companies est scientific community in the world.
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They work together because the FDA HONORING COMMISSIONER BILLIE Hearts, and a Combat Infantry Badge
wants to get it right and these compa- DEAN for his service to the country during
nies want to get it right. (Mrs. DEMINGS asked and was given World War II.
We saw one of them just a few days permission to address the House for 1 Mr. Lee, in fact, was supposed to go
ago. They had a pause, which is the minute.) to Washington, D.C., this year to get
protocol. That is the safety protocol Mrs. DEMINGS. Madam Speaker, I his Congressional Gold Medal of Honor
because there was a question in the rise today to celebrate the life of Com- this May, but it was postponed due to
testing, and they addressed it. I am missioner Billie Dean from the city of the pandemic.
sure there were many. I don’t know di- Apopka. I think it is incredibly important to
rectly, but I am sure there were many Mr. Dean was a guiding light for honor his work and his service here on
conversations with the FDA. Apopka. the House floor.
But then they started up again, From bravery in Korea, to the class- He is extraordinarily proud of his
which means there wasn’t a problem. rooms and commission, to the forefront service in the U.S. military and hangs
But it meant they followed the proto- of racial integration in the South, his American flag outside his house for
cols, which say, if you see something Commissioner Dean was a champion every U.S. holiday.
that you need to go review, you hold for his community. In fact, he and his wife, Rose Lee,
off, and then you go check that out. He was a local hero for his work to have been happily married for 76 years,
That is what one of these did, and now revitalize South Apopka and to fight and Mr. Lee still does the cooking for
they are back on track. for justice. As a teacher and a commis- himself and his wife.
sioner, he made the future of Apopka Madam Speaker, I ask our colleagues
The others continue to go through, to join me in recognizing Mr. Hope Lee.
his ultimate cause.
all of them, working with the FDA. Thank you for your service, and
There is no higher praise for a public
That is really what this is about. It is happy birthday, Mr. Lee.
servant than the love of his commu-
about a partnership because the FDA
nity. Apopka loved him, and he loved f
has to sign off.
Apopka.
I am sure the gentleman would agree. Madam Speaker, we are grateful for a b 1530
You want to make sure you have mul- life well lived. SUICIDE PREVENTION AWARENESS
tiple people looking at it. You don’t f MONTH
just want the company that is making
the drug looking at it. You want the AMERICANS ARE WAITING (Mr. WALTZ asked and was given
regulator looking at it as well because, (Mr. HILL of Arkansas asked and was permission to address the House for 1
ultimately, they have to sign off on it. given permission to address the House minute.)
for 1 minute and to revise and extend Mr. WALTZ. Madam Speaker, as a
They are not doing it blindly. No one combat veteran, I think a lot about my
suggests that. But they are doing it his remarks.)
Mr. HILL of Arkansas. Madam past experiences in battle and person-
with a much sharper focus. It is the top ally have dealt with my own struggles,
priority, I think we would all agree. Speaker, why were we brought back to
Washington, D.C., this week? from PTS to survivor’s guilt.
This needs to be the priority to get our But this year, we are in a collective
country back on track, and it has to be Was it to provide much-needed relief
and assistance to American families battle, and the front lines look very
done right. But it is not going to get different. We are fighting against an
signed off if it is not right. So, it is a and small businesses because of the
pandemic? No. invisible enemy, against COVID–19, and
partnership, and it is working incred- we are forced to distance ourselves and
ibly well. Instead, we continue to spend time
on another set of mostly partisan mes- to change our entire way of life. This
Again, this new partnership ought to isolation is causing anxiety, depres-
saging bills with little or no input from
be the model in the future. It shouldn’t sion, and sometimes takes us to even
Republicans. My Democratic col-
be the exception just because of darker places, even with suicidal
leagues rely on grandstanding and talk
COVID. It is working incredibly well. thoughts.
more about the bills they have passed
We worked together to pass the 21st than the bills, Madam Speaker, they September is Suicide Prevention
Century Cures Act, which ultimately have actually gotten signed into law. Awareness Month, and I am teaming
will find a cure for cancer, for Alz- It is time for Democrats to get seri- with a veterans group, Mission Roll
heimer’s, for ALS, for other diseases. It ous and stop trying to score political Call, to raise awareness about suicide
is because we put a sharper focus over points and come back to the negoti- prevention, especially the 22 veterans
at the National Institutes of Health, ating table. Let’s serve the American per day we are currently losing.
and we put additional resources over at people by actually getting much-need- In combat, we are constantly check-
the National Institutes of Health. ed bipartisan legislation signed into ing on our brothers and sisters to our
That priority, what we are learning law to fight this virus and get our left and our right, and we have to do
from this, ought to be replicated to economy back. the same back here at home. So I say
help find a cure for some of those other We have already proven how much to all veterans out there: Reach out.
diseases so that maybe we can find good we can accomplish for American Ask your buddy how they are doing.
even more cures for people who are liv- families and the American people when Share a memory. Let them know that
ing today, not just for somebody 30 we work together. you are thinking about them and you
years from now, but for somebody f
have their back.
struggling today with one of those ter- Together, we are stronger. Together,
rible diseases. RECOGNIZING HOPE LEE ON HIS we can win this fight.
100TH BIRTHDAY
Madam Speaker, I yield to the gen- f
tleman. (Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ asked and was
given permission to address the House NATIONAL RECOVERY MONTH
Mr. HOYER. Madam Speaker, I have (Ms. DEAN asked and was given per-
for 1 minute and to revise and extend
nothing left to say. mission to address the House for 1
her remarks.)
Mr. SCALISE. Madam Speaker, I Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. Madam minute and to revise and extend her re-
know we will continue this conversa- Speaker, I rise today to recognize Mr. marks.)
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tion. Hopefully, the bill gets filed to- Hope Lee, a revered constituent of New Ms. DEAN. Madam Speaker, recovery
morrow, and we can resolve more of York’s 14th Congressional District who is challenging and isolating even dur-
these issues next week. I look forward is celebrating his 100th birthday this ing normal days, and this pandemic has
to seeing the gentleman and working year and has served so valiantly for our only made it more difficult for those
with him on all of these. country. who suffer from addiction and sub-
Madam Speaker, I yield back the bal- During World War II, Mr. Lee re- stance use disorder. That is why Na-
ance of my time. ceived a Bronze Star Medal, two Purple tional Recovery Month, this month,
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