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Transcript of Evidentiary Hearing, March 20, 2024 — United States v. Keith Berman (No. 1:20-cr-00278)

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Transcript of an evidentiary hearing in United States of America v. Keith Berman, Criminal Action No. 20-00278, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, held March 20, 2024, at 11:30 a.m. before the Honorable Trevor N. McFadden, filed as Document 186 on March 22, 2024. The appearances list Mathew Reilly and Christopher R. Fenton for the government and Kevin B. Collins and others from Covington & Burling and the Office of the Federal Public Defender for the defendant. The index lists Joshua Mitts, Ph.D., as a witness for the government and James Reilly as a witness for the defendant, with government and defendant exhibits received in evidence. The reporter is Lisa Edwards.

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     Case 1:20-cr-00278-TNM Document 186 Filed 03/22/24 Page 1 of 166   1


 1                         UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                           FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
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 3      UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,               )    Criminal Action
                                                )     No. 20-00278
 4                      Plaintiff,              )
                                                )
 5        vs.                                   )
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 6      KEITH BERMAN,                           )    Washington, D.C.
                                                )    March 20, 2024
 7                      Defendant.              )    11:30 a.m.
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 8      * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *         )

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10                     TRANSCRIPT OF EVIDENTIARY HEARING
                    BEFORE THE HONORABLE TREVOR N. McFADDEN
11                        UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE

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13      APPEARANCES:

14      FOR THE GOVERNMENT:          MATHEW REILLY, ESQ.
                                     CHRISTOPHER R. FENTON, ESQ.
15                                   U.S DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
                                     Criminal Division, Fraud Section
16                                   1400 New York Avenue, Northwest
                                     Washington, D.C. 20530
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        FOR THE DEFENDANT:           KEVIN B. COLLINS, ESQ.
18                                   LORI TAUBMAN, ESQ.
                                     JOSE R. RAMOS, ESQ.
19                                   JOSE F. GIRON, ESQ.
                                     BRANDON HOWELL, ESQ.
20                                   JONAH T. PANIKAR, ESQ.
                                     NICK XENAKIS, ESQ.
21                                   COVINGTON & BURLING, LLP
                                     850 Tenth Street, Northwest
22                                   Washington, D.C. 2001

23                                   MICHELLE PETERSON, ESQ.
                                     OFFICE OF THE FEDERAL PUBLIC
24                                     DEFENDER
                                     625 Indiana Avenue, Northwest
25                                   Suite 550
                                     Washington, D.C. 20004
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        WITNESSES FOR THE GOVERNMENT:
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        Joshua Mitts, Ph.D.                   8         30         117
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 7      WITNESS FOR THE DEFENDANT:

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        EXHIBITS RECEIVED IN EVIDENCE                                    PAGE
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15      Defendant's Exhibit No. 001                                       62

16      Defendant's Exhibit No. 002                                       63

17      Defendant's Exhibit No. 012                                       64

18      Defendant's Exhibit No. 010                                       69

19      Defendant's Exhibit No. 042                                       71

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 1                   THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:     Your Honor, this is

 2      Criminal Case 20-278, the United States of America versus

 3      Keith Berman.

 4                   Counsel, please come forward to identify

 5      yourselves for the record, starting with the Government.

 6                   MR. REILLY:    Good morning, your Honor.     Matthew

 7      Reilly and Christopher Fenton for the United States.            We're

 8      joined at counsel table by our paralegals, Rachel Boyer and

 9      Grace Souder.

10                   Thank you, your Honor.

11                   THE COURT:    Good morning, folks.

12                   MR. COLLINS:   Good morning, your Honor.      Kevin

13      Collins from Covington on behalf of Mr. Berman, who's now

14      present.

15                   I'm joined by a number of colleagues from

16      Covington:    Jonah Panikar, José Giron, José Ramos, Lori

17      Taubman, Michelle Peterson from the Federal Defender's

18      Office and Nick Xenakis.      And on the bench behind is Brendan

19      Howell.

20                   THE COURT:    Good morning.

21                   And good morning, Mr. Berman.

22                   My apologies to everyone for the late start.         I

23      know Mr. Berman had -- we didn't get his medications this

24      morning.

25                   And I'm sure that's been frustrating for you, sir,
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 1      and I know for everyone else.       I apologize for that delay.

 2                   Mr. Collins, while I've got you up here, you are

 3      expecting to present two witnesses; is that correct?

 4                   MR. COLLINS:    We are, your Honor.    We have a

 5      witness on loss amount and a witness on sort of the

 6      background, the technology and sort of the product

 7      development.    We have Professor Williams, who was going to

 8      testify during trial.       There was some discussion about

 9      whether this technology was theoretically feasible and

10      possible.

11                   And -- but I don't know.      I understand the Court

12      has obviously a busy docket.       So we defer to how the Court

13      wants to proceed.     But one thought we had as we were sitting

14      here is that the Court take the two experts, the

15      Government's and ours, on loss amount and, if there's time,

16      then have Professor Williams testify or potentially

17      reschedule him to appear remotely.

18                   He apparently has a bit of a conflict that starts

19      very soon.    He has a project for NASA where he has to be

20      available at his facility.       But he can make time to appear

21      remotely.    So I just -- I'm giving you sort of all of the

22      arguments.

23                   THE COURT:   Yes.   Thanks.

24                   I guess I was a little surprised to see your

25      notice about him.     I understood this was going to be about
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 1      loss amounts.    I'm very interested to hear that

 2      back-and-forth.

 3                  I mean, what he's describing there really doesn't

 4      seem related to loss amount.       And I don't think you're

 5      disagreeing with that --

 6                  MR. COLLINS:    I agree.   I don't disagree.

 7                  THE COURT:   -- you know, perhaps more about your

 8      client's culpability or something like that.         I mean, I feel

 9      like there's pretty narrow room for you to be playing on

10      that.

11                  MR. COLLINS:    Fair enough.

12                  I mean, we think it would go to a couple factors

13      under 3553(a):    number one, the nature and circumstances of

14      the offense.    I mean, this was actual, real development.      I

15      mean, Mr. Berman and DECN hired real experts, you know.

16      They were pursuing an FDA application.        So this wasn't as if

17      this was just sort of totally made up.        There was a

18      theoretical basis for this technology.        And in fact,

19      Mr. Berman just got out in front of his skis in the press

20      releases.    That's kind of what this case is about.

21                  But the Government has refused to acknowledge that

22      this technology was technically feasible to detect a virus.

23      We -- there was a lot of colloquy with the Court and the

24      Government at the pretrial conference in November, and we

25      stipulated.    And the Government sort of waffled back and
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 1      forth.   We never got to it.

 2                   That's why -- they've injected this issue into the

 3      case.    So we brought Professor Williams here to say:

 4      Actually, this was real technology, you know.         They might

 5      not agree with that.      But the point is, we're not saying it

 6      worked; but theoretically, it was possible to get a test

 7      that would detect the virus.

 8                   THE COURT:   Okay.    Let's see where we are after

 9      loss amounts and then chat on that.        I'm not thrilled about

10      doing a trial after --

11                   MR. COLLINS:   Fair enough.    But my -- from our

12      perspective, there was going to be testimony from

13      Dr. Williams at trial.      So if it was relevant at trial,

14      which, from our perspective, certainly it would be relevant

15      background under 3553(a).

16                   THE COURT:   Okay.

17                   MR. COLLINS:   That's our position, your Honor.       I

18      understand where you're coming from.

19                   A number of my colleagues will be handling some of

20      the exams.    I'll act like the Nationals manager and just

21      sort of call them out as the issues arise.

22                   THE COURT:   That's fine, as long as I'm hearing

23      from one person per thing.        I'm not excited about --

24                   MR. COLLINS:   We're not tag-teaming.

25                   THE COURT:   Great.
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 1                  So, Mr. Reilly, you have a professor?        Should we

 2      get started with your witness?       Anything before we get

 3      started?

 4                  MR. REILLY:    Your Honor, the only thing is we had

 5      anticipated Professor Mitts to testify, listen to the

 6      testimony of Mr. Reilly and offer brief rebuttal testimony.

 7      And that's the way we had prepared and structured this, and

 8      that's what we noticed to the defense.        If the Court would

 9      be okay with that, that would be our preference.

10                  THE COURT:    I have no problem with, I mean, all

11      three gentlemen being present for any of this that they

12      wish.

13                  MR. COLLINS:    I think they're entitled to be

14      present.

15                  THE COURT:    Yes.   Great.   Thank you, sir.

16                  MR. REILLY:    With that, your Honor, the United

17      States calls Professor Joshua Mitts.

18              JOSHUA MITTS, Ph.D., GOVERNMENT WITNESS, SWORN.

19                  THE COURT:    Good morning, sir.

20                  THE WITNESS:    Good morning.

21                               DIRECT EXAMINATION

22      BY MR. REILLY:

23      Q.   Would you please state and spell your name for the

24      record?

25      A.   Joshua Mitts, M-I-T-T-S.



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 1      Q.   Professor Mitts, would you briefly run through your

 2      academic qualifications for the Court.

 3      A.   I have a bachelor's degree from Georgetown University, a

 4      J.D. from Yale Law School and a Ph.D. in finance and

 5      economics from Columbia University, Columbia Business

 6      School.

 7      Q.   Professor --

 8                   THE COURT:   You got a J.D. and you got a Ph.D.

 9      I'm shocked.

10                   THE WITNESS:   I'm not the only one.

11      BY MR. REILLY:

12      Q.   Where are you currently employed?

13      A.   Columbia University.     Columbia Law School.

14      Q.   What's your role there?

15      A.   I am a professor of law at the law school.

16      Q.   And does -- do you specialize in any particular area of

17      research?

18      A.   My research focuses on trading in the financial markets.

19      Q.   Does your research focus on economic theory and

20      quantitative measures of valuation?

21      A.   Yes.

22      Q.   Are there any other areas of specialty in your research?

23      A.   Sure.   I write on the nature of information transmission

24      in the financial markets, how informed trading makes its way

25      into stock prices.     I write on insider trading, market



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 1      manipulation and other topics in that space.

 2      Q.   Is it common for an economist to teach at a law school,

 3      Professor Mitts?

 4      A.   It is.    Many have J.D.s and Ph.D.s, as I do.       But I do

 5      have a colleague who does not have a J.D.         That's been an

 6      increasing trend in recent years.

 7      Q.   Has your work been published in financial economic

 8      publications?

 9      A.   Yes.    I have published in the Journal of Finance, which

10      is a leading peer-reviewed journal in financial economics,

11      and I have also published in peer-reviewed law and economics

12      journals, the Journal of Law and Economics, the Journal of

13      Legal Studies, published interdisciplinary work that is

14      fundamentally economic in methodology.

15      Q.   Have you served previously as an expert in federal court

16      securities cases?

17      A.   Yes.

18      Q.   And have you ever been deemed an expert by a federal

19      court in connection with any of those representations?

20      A.   Yes.

21      Q.   Would you briefly summarize the judicial findings?

22      A.   Sure.    I was qualified as an expert in the Set Capital

23      v. Credit Suisse case in the Southern District of Florida of

24      New York.     There was a Daubert motion to disqualify me that

25      the Court denied and found that my testimony was reliable.



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 1      My testimony in the Bayer Securities Litigation matter in

 2      the Northern District of California was also accepted by the

 3      Court.    There wasn't a Daubert motion, but the Court

 4      essentially adopted my report.

 5      Q.   Do you have a consulting expert business, Professor

 6      Mitts?

 7      A.   I do.

 8      Q.   Would you briefly describe what kind of services that

 9      business offers?

10      A.   I have a consulting LLC that provides both consulting

11      expert services.     So generally, let's say, prior to

12      testimony or in a case where counsel are contemplating

13      bringing a case, I'll be engaged as an expert.          But I also

14      testify through that consulting LLC.

15                   MR. REILLY:    And, Ms. Boyer, if you'd please bring

16      up Government's Exhibit 00.

17      BY MR. REILLY:

18      Q.   Professor Mitts, is this a current copy of your CV?

19      A.   Yes, it is.

20                   MR. REILLY:    Your Honor, I would offer to admit

21      Government's Exhibit 00 into evidence.

22                   MS. TAUBMAN:   No objection.

23                   THE COURT:    Without objection, 00 is in.

24                   (Whereupon, Government's Exhibit No. 00 was

25      entered into evidence.)



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 1                    MR. REILLY:    Your Honor, I would move to certify

 2      Professor Mitts as an expert in financial economics.

 3                    MS. TAUBMAN:   No objection.

 4                    THE COURT:    Without objection, Professor Mitts

 5      will be recognized as an expert in the area of financial

 6      economics.

 7      BY MR. REILLY:

 8      Q.   Professor Mitts, were you engaged by the Department of

 9      Justice in this matter?

10      A.   I was.

11      Q.   What were you asked by the Department to do?

12      A.   I was asked to evaluate, one, the losses to investors by

13      applying the modified rescissory method set out in the

14      United States Sentencing Guidelines and, two, to evaluate

15      whether the MRM calculation was a reasonable estimate of the

16      actual loss suffered by investors.

17      Q.   And are you being paid for your work on this matter?

18      A.   I am.

19      Q.   And do you have a contract with the Government where you

20      can bill $600 an hour up to $70,000 for your work in this

21      matter?

22      A.   Yes.

23      Q.   So now that you've explained what you were engaged to

24      do, would you walk the Court through the process you

25      undertook to complete that work.



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 1      A.   Sure.    So first, I needed to collect pricing data to

 2      evaluate the change in price, which is part of the MRM

 3      formula.     So I collected pricing data from the OTC Markets

 4      database that basically has the closing price and other data

 5      points for each OTC traded stock.

 6                   I collected information on the shares outstanding

 7      and other data points concerning the company here, Decision

 8      Diagnostics.     I applied the methodology, which I'm happy to

 9      get into the calculations, and that yielded my estimate of a

10      numerical loss.     That was the first opinion.

11                   And the second opinion:     To evaluate whether it

12      was reasonable, I employed a number of additional analyses

13      to examine whether the price decline reflected in that

14      calculation was the product of other factors, external

15      market forces.     And I'm happy to walk through each of those

16      steps.

17      Q.   Starting with the mathematical calculation, what method

18      did you use to calculate the loss under the guidelines?

19      A.   So generally speaking, the guidelines set out a

20      comparison of average prices over particular intervals.

21                   So basically, I needed to collect the prices over

22      the defined intervals that I looked at and then I needed to

23      compute the difference in average prices.

24                   Then I needed to multiply that difference in

25      average price by the number of shares that were outstanding.



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 1      And there were actually two different number of shares

 2      outstanding that I used for reasons I'm happy to explain.

 3                   And I simply multiplied the difference in price by

 4      the number of shares outstanding to obtain a measure of the

 5      total decline in market value caused by the loss according

 6      to the MRM -- caused by the fraud; excuse me -- according to

 7      the MRM method.

 8      Q.   And this is the methodology found in the application

 9      note to Section 2B1.1 of the sentencing guidelines?

10      A.   That's correct.

11                   MR. REILLY:   Ms. Boyer, would you put up

12      Government's Demonstrative Exhibit 6-X.

13      BY MR. REILLY:

14      Q.   Can you see that, Professor Mitts?

15      A.   Yes.    Thank you.

16      Q.   Would you walk the Court through kind of the

17      mathematical process you undertook here to come up with your

18      loss amount figure?

19      A.   Sure.   So using the closing price data that I described

20      previously, I took the period of the fraud, which is defined

21      as March 3rd, 2020, to December 17th, 2020.          I took the

22      average of the closing prices over that period, which is

23      19.54 cents per share.      I then calculated the average price

24      over the 90 days following the fraud or following revelation

25      of the fraud, which was December 18th, 2020, to March 17th,



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 1      2021.    The average price during that period I calculated to

 2      be 2.13 cents per share.

 3                   And then I simply took the difference of those two

 4      numbers, which yielded 17.41 cents per share.

 5                   THE COURT:   Professor, did you come up with the

 6      period of the fraud or is that something the Government

 7      provided for you?

 8                   THE WITNESS:   The Government provided me with the

 9      dates for the period of the fraud.        I did evaluate based on

10      the materials that I reviewed that were publicly available,

11      the indictment and so forth, whether that seemed reasonable

12      to me.    And it did seem reasonable to me.       But I did not

13      select the dates myself.

14                   THE COURT:   Understood.

15      BY MR. REILLY:

16      Q.   And would you just at a high level explain why you

17      thought the date the Government gave you for the period of

18      the fraud was reasonable?

19      A.   Sure.   So generally speaking, it didn't seem to me that

20      there really was much question concerning the beginning

21      date.

22                   But the question of when the truth was revealed to

23      the market, you know, I basically started from the question:

24      Well, when was the entirety of the fraud revealed?           And it

25      seemed to me reasonable to look at the publication of the



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 1      indictment as a date when the totality of the Defendant's

 2      activities were revealed to the market.

 3      Q.   Looking at the second chart here on the demonstrative

 4      exhibit, Professor Mitts, would you walk through the

 5      calculations that you ran here to determine the loss amount?

 6                  THE COURT:    Sorry.   I want to go back to that

 7      point.

 8                  As you're probably aware, there's -- a lot seems

 9      to turn on that.     Is this something that is within your area

10      of expertise to try to determine the appropriate time

11      period?    Or is that something that you're looking at as a

12      lawyer yourself and law professor, but not necessarily --

13      that's not where your skill lies?

14                  THE WITNESS:    Your Honor, I was not asked by the

15      Department to evaluate that question.

16                  I think generally my view would be that that's not

17      a question that can be answered by financial economics.

18                  What I can say is, it would seem to me that the

19      key question would be for any alternative date what

20      information was released versus other activity potentially

21      by the Defendant.     And it did not seem obvious to me that

22      there was a date other than this date where the entirety of

23      the information had been released to the market.          And I'm

24      familiar generally with, you know, what's in the record

25      concerning the Defendant's overall conduct in statements



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 1      that were made even after the trading suspension.

 2                   So again, I wasn't asked to choose the date.          But

 3      it didn't seem, you know, like there was another date that I

 4      just -- I felt like, well, we should have used that date.

 5      It seemed to me that there was enough ambiguity that I as an

 6      economist could feel comfortable with December 18th.             But I

 7      don't think the question really can be answered as a matter

 8      of financial economics.

 9                   THE COURT:   So I don't think either party is

10      suggesting this.     But it occurred to me that looking at how

11      the stocks were trading before the fraud could be at least

12      as instructive as the time afterwards.

13                   Does that resonate with you at all?       I mean,

14      obviously, that's not what the guidelines suggest.           But why

15      might that -- why is that not an equally good kind of

16      baseline?

17                   THE WITNESS:   I think your Honor is making a good

18      point, that if we have an inflationary period, you know, at

19      least there's another period where there wasn't inflation in

20      the price.

21                   So I agree with your Honor that, prior to the

22      initial misstatement, that is a period not characterized by

23      the price inflation and the fraud.

24                   I guess my thought would be that, you know, there

25      could be other information that came out after the fraud was



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 1      revealed, and that would be relevant to the company.             And I

 2      wouldn't necessarily be measuring the impact of that other

 3      information, let's say, in late 2020 or early 2021 if I were

 4      looking at the prices in 2019, for example, as a direct

 5      measure of that counterfactual that we're discussing.

 6                  But I do use -- and I'm happy to say more about

 7      this -- I do use the period before the fraud in my analysis.

 8      I just don't use it in this particular calculation.

 9                  THE COURT:    Okay.

10      BY MR. REILLY:

11      Q.   Well, why don't you explain for the Court, since this is

12      where we're -- what's of interest:        What did you do with

13      regard to the period prior to the fraud in connection with

14      your analysis?

15      A.   So I used the year preceding the period of the fraud as

16      a period to examine the extent to which Decision Diagnostics

17      thought price is responding to market-wide or industrywide

18      information.     So that's generally the approach that one uses

19      in the economics literature, which is to estimate the

20      relationship between this stock price and the market or

21      industry as a whole to see, you know, does this stock tend

22      to be affected by industry-wide or market-wide news?

23                  So I do use the period of the year preceding the

24      fraud to examine that, which ultimately feeds into the

25      reasonableness of this calculation for -- as a measure of



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 1      investor loss.

 2      Q.   So let's stick with this.      You looked at the prior year

 3      to determine what?

 4      A.   To determine whether -- ultimately whether this

 5      mathematical calculation is a reasonable estimate of

 6      investor loss, but specifically to examine whether this

 7      stock was generally affected by external market forces.

 8      Q.   And walk the Court through what kind of analysis you do

 9      based on financial economics principles to conduct that

10      analysis.

11      A.   So typically, people use an event study to look at the

12      extent to which other factors might have affected the stock

13      price.    That's the standard method in financial economics.

14                  What an event study requires as an initial phase,

15      if you will, is that there's some relationship between this

16      stock price and those external market forces.          So those

17      external market forces could be the market as a whole,

18      industry index, for example, other standard asset pricing

19      factors.

20                  When one estimates a regression model, when one

21      looks at the relationship between a stock price and these

22      other factors, you have to identify a statistically

23      significant relationship for these factors to explain

24      changes in the stock price of the company.

25                  And I did not identify such a relationship.           So in



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 1      effect, this was the first half of an event study.           And I

 2      concluded that effectively there was no need to proceed

 3      beyond that because this stock price was not tracking market

 4      or industrywide factors.

 5      Q.   That was the regression analysis?

 6      A.   That's correct.

 7      Q.   That first part of the event study.        Right?

 8      A.   That's correct.

 9      Q.   And what factors did you use to conduct your regression

10      analysis?

11      A.   So I used the standard asset pricing factors from the

12      literature, which is the market as a whole, the so-called

13      Fama-French factors, which look at small firm returns, value

14      firm returns, and I examined whether there was a

15      statistically significant relationship, correlation, in a

16      regression model between the daily changes in the price of

17      Decision Diagnostics and these factors.

18      Q.   And what was your ultimate finding?

19      A.   I found no statistically significant relationship with

20      any of those standard asset pricing factors.

21      Q.   So taking a step back, what does that mean for kind of

22      the reasonableness of using the MRM approach in calculating

23      loss here?

24      A.   Because there was no statistically significant

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 1      the market factors that I examined, I concluded that the MRM

 2      was an appropriate method to measure the actual loss

 3      suffered by victims, because very intuitively, if there's no

 4      relationship between this company's stock and the market as

 5      a whole, then we can conclude that the price decline was not

 6      caused by the market.

 7      Q.   And turning back to the first question that we jumped

 8      off of from here, when looking at one of the dates proposed

 9      by the defense, what sort of firm-specific activity would

10      you think would need to be examined in order to select one

11      of those dates?

12      A.   Sure.   So I mean, I think the key question really as I

13      was answering your Honor's question earlier is:          What's the

14      nature of the information that is being brought into the

15      market by the firm or by individuals associated with the

16      firm?

17                   So I might be looking at what sort of disclosures

18      are being made, for example, and those -- that would be

19      firm-specific information that could affect the price of the

20      stock.

21      Q.   All right.    And turning back to the loss amount

22      calculation and the multiplication part of the math, would

23      you walk us through briefly your finding here and why there

24      are two different amounts of outstanding shares that you

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 1      A.   Sure.   So when I reviewed the -- both the data and the

 2      disclosures, Decision Diagnostics was selling additional

 3      shares during the period of the fraud.         When companies do

 4      this, they're issuing more shares.        So the number of

 5      outstanding shares is increasing.

 6                   And so what we have here are two points in time.

 7      So at the beginning of the period of the fraud, there were

 8      160 million shares outstanding.        At the end of the period of

 9      the fraud, there were 349 million shares outstanding.

10      Q.   Are these both reasonable numbers to use in calculating

11      the loss amount here?

12      A.   In my opinion, yes.     They are both reasonable.

13      Q.   Do you think one was a better measure than the other of

14      the true loss amount?

15      A.   I do.   I think that -- I think the latter is -- 349

16      million shares is more reasonable than the 160 million

17      shares number.

18                   The reason is because the company was selling

19      shares during the period of the fraud.         So there were

20      investors who were buying newly issued shares at inflated

21      prices during the period of the fraud.         So those investors'

22      losses would not be captured by the 160 million shares

23      number.

24      Q.   So in any event, what are the two loss amount numbers

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 1      A.   The 27.8 million number is with the 160 million share

 2      figure at the beginning of the period of the fraud.              And the

 3      60.8 million number is the -- uses the 349 million share

 4      figure.

 5      Q.   In your opinion, are either of these figures an

 6      acceptable measurement of the loss amount caused by

 7      Defendant Keith Berman in this case?

 8      A.   Yes.

 9      Q.   So then we turn to the second part of the analysis that

10      you previewed earlier; and you were asked to then determine

11      if these were reasonable estimates of the actual loss

12      attributable to the change in value of Decision Diagnostics'

13      stock?

14      A.   That's correct.

15      Q.   Okay.   And we've talked a bit about how you worked on

16      determining if it was reasonable.        But can you walk us

17      through the totality of what steps you took to evaluate if

18      this was a reasonable measure.

19      A.   Sure.   So first, I took the daily changes in the price

20      of Decision Diagnostics during the year preceding the fraud.

21      And I estimated a regression model, where I regressed those

22      daily changes in the price on --

23                   THE COURT:   Sorry.   Dr. Mitts, going back to the

24      outstanding shares -- forgive my ignorance on this -- does

25      this mean that there's 350 million shares and all of these



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 1      have been bought by individuals?        Or does this mean that

 2      there's -- you know, there's shares available, but some of

 3      them have not been purchased?

 4                  THE WITNESS:    Your Honor, from the disclosures and

 5      the data that I reviewed, it appeared to me that all of

 6      those shares had been purchased.        They were not all

 7      purchased by individuals.

 8                  Just to respond to that point, many of these were

 9      purchased by institutions, for example, who had lent the

10      company money.     They might have converted their debt

11      obligations, let's say, to shares, so they might have been

12      cashed out effectively in shares.        But that was issued in a

13      sense for value.     So in a way, it's economically the same.

14                  THE COURT:    But the "outstanding shares" term

15      means shares that have been purchased by an entity or

16      person?

17                  THE WITNESS:    That's correct.     Generally, the term

18      "shares," "authorized shares," will refer to the number of

19      shares that the board of directors and the shareholders have

20      authorized to be issued.

21                  But "outstanding" is really here being used to

22      represent issued and outstanding.        And that number is

23      increasing because these newly issued shares, some of which

24      are being either paid for, as I said, through debt

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 1      those shares are not held by the company on its own books,

 2      but they're held by these purchasers.         So that increases the

 3      number of outstanding shares, shares that are outstanding

 4      and held by investors.

 5                  THE COURT:    And so I'd imagine these shares are

 6      being sold over this period of -- what is it?          About six

 7      months or so?     Maybe more like nine months.       And the price

 8      is probably fluctuating some.

 9                  Are you trying to figure out kind of where each

10      share is along there?      Or is this kind of an extrapolation

11      or an approximation?

12                  THE WITNESS:    Your Honor is correct that I am not

13      calculating at each point in time what the purchase price

14      was relative to the average figure here in the MRM.

15                  So the number at the end of the period, meaning

16      the 349 million shares, you can say, well, you know, it was

17      less than that at some point during that period.          And that's

18      correct.    And that's why I use two numbers.        I think, you

19      know, either one would be reasonable because, you know, they

20      both reflect the magnitude of the market value loss.

21                  But I think, you know, neither one perfectly

22      captures the market cap at each point in time, market

23      capitalization.

24                  THE COURT:    Okay.

25      BY MR. REILLY:



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 1      Q.   We talked about the regression that you ran, and that

 2      was the testimony provided a few moments ago.          Right?

 3      A.   Yes.

 4      Q.   Did you look at peer-reviewed literature to assess the

 5      reasonableness of these figures?

 6      A.   I did look at peer-reviewed literature to assess the

 7      reasonableness of the regression results.         Yes.

 8      Q.   And what did it say about companies like Decision

 9      Diagnostics and how to think about whether this is a

10      reasonable measure of loss?

11      A.   So the literature consistently shows that OTC penny

12      stocks like Decision Diagnostics are generally characterized

13      by idiosyncratic information specific to that firm.              So if

14      the concern is, well, maybe this price decline reflects,

15      let's say, the market or industrywide factors, the

16      literature shows that generally these OTC penny stocks are

17      not following market or industrywide factors as a group.

18                  MR. REILLY:    Would you please put up Government's

19      Exhibit 6-A2.

20      BY MR. REILLY:

21      Q.   And, Professor Mitts, is this a chart plotting the stock

22      price of Decision Diagnostics in 2019 and 2020 against the

23      stock price of the NASDAQ biotechnology index?

24      A.   Yes, it is.

25      Q.   And was this chart generated using data from Bloomberg?



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 1      A.    Yes.

 2      Q.    Was it originally prepared by FINRA's CPAG group?

 3      A.    That's my understanding.     Yes.

 4      Q.    Do you adopt this chart as your own for purposes of

 5      today's proceeding?

 6      A.    Yes.

 7                    MR. REILLY:    With that, your Honor, I would move

 8      to admit Government's Exhibit 6-A2 into evidence.

 9                    MS. TAUBMAN:   No objection.

10                    THE COURT:    Without objection, 6-A2 is in.

11                    (Whereupon, Government's Exhibit No. 6-A2 was

12      entered into evidence.)

13      BY MR. REILLY:

14      Q.    Professor Mitts, as the final step in your

15      reasonableness analysis, did you look at whether Decision

16      Diagnostics' stock price was uncorrelated with

17      industry-specific events?

18      A.    Yes, I did.    And that's --

19      Q.    What does that mean?     That's very technical terminology.

20      A.    Sure.

21      Q.    Maybe if you could walk back what that's really looking

22      at.

23      A.    Sure.   So previously, I discussed the standard asset

24      pricing factors, like the market as a whole, small firms,

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 1                  But because the sentencing guidelines also refer

 2      to industry-specific factors, I examined whether the price

 3      of Decision Diagnostics was systematically correlated with

 4      biotechnology firms.      And I measured price changes in

 5      biotechnology firms using the NASDAQ biotech index, which is

 6      a standard index consisting of NASDAQ-traded biotechnology

 7      firms.

 8      Q.   Why do you use that particular index?

 9      A.   So there's a couple points there.        One is that you want

10      to make sure you're using a basket of stocks, because any

11      individual comparator stock will have its own set of

12      idiosyncratic information.

13                  So if you're trying to evaluate, well, was this

14      price change in Decision Diagnostics correlated with biotech

15      industry information, you have to have an index that nets

16      out the changes in individual stocks so that only the

17      industry news or industry price effects remain.          So we

18      definitely need an index of biotechnology firms.

19                  In an ideal world, I would have used an

20      over-the-counter biotech index because Decision Diagnostics

21      is an over-the-counter traded stock.        But there is no such

22      index that I'm aware of that satisfies the criteria,

23      meaning, for example, the index needs to reflect companies

24      that are traded frequently enough so that the price

25      measurements are meaningful.       And I'm not aware of any such



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 1      OTC index.

 2                    The closest index that I could find was NBI,

 3      because there are many small NASDAQ-listed companies that

 4      are similar to Decision Diagnostics in many respects.

 5      Q.   Once you got the relevant data for the NBI, did you

 6      conduct another regression analysis?

 7      A.   I did.

 8      Q.   And what did that regression analysis look for?

 9      A.   So I looked for a systematic correlation as measured by

10      regression analysis between Decision Diagnostics' stock

11      price and the NASDAQ biotech index.        And I did not find a

12      statistically significant relationship.

13      Q.   So what does that tell you about the correlation between

14      Decision Diagnostics and industry-specific events?

15      A.   So the absence of a consistent statistically significant

16      relationship between Decision Diagnostics and the NASDAQ

17      biotech index -- the absence of such a correlation indicates

18      that Decision Diagnostics' stock price was not responding to

19      industry-specific news concerning the biotech industry.

20      Q.   So taking everything we've talked about today, the

21      regression analysis, the peer-reviewed literature, what is

22      your opinion as to the reasonableness of using the loss

23      figures that you talked us through in Government's Exhibit

24      6-X for the relevant loss amount here?

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 1      reasonable estimate of the actual loss suffered by

 2      investors.

 3                   MR. REILLY:    No further questions at this time,

 4      your Honor.

 5                   THE COURT:    Thank you.

 6                   Defense?

 7                                 CROSS-EXAMINATION

 8      BY MS. TAUBMAN:

 9      Q.   Good morning, Dr. Mitts.

10                   THE COURT:    Remind me of your name, ma'am.

11                   MS. TAUBMAN:    I am Lori Taubman on behalf of

12      Mr. Berman.

13                   THE COURT:    Thank you.

14      BY MS. TAUBMAN:

15      Q.   You mentioned previously that you have testified in

16      federal court.     Have you ever offered testimony on behalf of

17      a defendant?

18      A.   I was once engaged to write an expert report on behalf

19      of a defendant in a securities class action.          My expert

20      report was submitted under oath, but the case settled before

21      I was deposed.     So that's one case I can think of.

22                   I also testified in Alberta in a merger case, a

23      merger litigation dispute.       I can't recall if the party I

24      was engaged for was technically the defendant.          They might

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 1      Q.   Okay.   Have you ever testified against the Government?

 2      A.   No.

 3      Q.   Your appearance today is not the only engagement you

 4      have had with the DOJ's criminal division's fraud section.

 5      Is that right?

 6      A.   That's correct.

 7      Q.   Okay.   Since 2021, you have been paid over $350,000 by

 8      the criminal division's fraud section for consulting work.

 9      Is that right?

10      A.   I would have to check my figures.        That sounds

11      approximately correct.

12      Q.   And that number does not include work that you've

13      performed in connection with today's hearing.          Correct?

14      A.   That's correct.     I haven't submitted any invoices for

15      this matter yet.

16      Q.   It's fair to say that you've read and done a lot of

17      research about securities markets.        Is that right?

18      A.   Yes.

19      Q.   Okay.   But I saw from your CV, which was entered earlier

20      as an exhibit, that your only professional experience

21      outside of being a law professor was working at a law firm

22      for one year.     Is that accurate?

23      A.   I think I might define "professional experience"

24      differently.     But if you're referring to full-time

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 1      Q.   So you've never worked in a financial firm?

 2      A.   I have not.

 3      Q.   You talked about the OTC literature a fair bit.

 4                   Have you ever purchased a penny stock?

 5      A.   I don't believe so, no.

 6      Q.   We talked a little bit about the shares outstanding and

 7      that number.     Did you review the stock ledger of DECN?

 8      A.   I did not.

 9      Q.   And the additional shares that we spoke about earlier,

10      did you verify whether they were newly issued shares or

11      shares that were the result of conversions of preferenced

12      older shares?

13      A.   Well, generally speaking, if preferred shares or

14      convertible notes or other derivative securities are

15      converted to common stock, the common stock is newly issued.

16      So I don't understand that to be an either/or distinction.

17      It just goes to where the newly issued shares came from in

18      the sense of:     What was their consideration?       Was an

19      investor paying cash for them?       Or were they exchanging or

20      converting or trading their existing preferred convertible

21      note or other derivative obligation like a warrant for those

22      newly issued common shares?       In all of those cases, the

23      shares that are newly issued, the common shares, are newly

24      issued in all of those cases.

25      Q.   Okay.   But in this particular case, did you look into



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 1      that in the documents that you consulted?

 2      A.   From the disclosures by the company that I reviewed, it

 3      was apparent to me that, as I answered the Court's question

 4      earlier, these were newly issued common shares.

 5      Q.   Okay.   I want to ask you a few questions about the

 6      NASDAQ biotechnology index that you were discussing earlier.

 7                   So stocks could be traded either on an exchange,

 8      like NASDAQ, or over the counter.        Is that right?

 9      A.   That's correct.

10      Q.   And then to be in the NASDAQ index, the stock must be

11      listed on NASDAQ.     Is that accurate?

12      A.   Generally, I think that's correct.        I'd have to check

13      exactly what the index inclusion rules are.          But that sounds

14      generally correct.

15      Q.   And I think you mentioned earlier that the companies

16      that trade exclusively over the counter would not be

17      included in the NASDAQ index.       Did I get that right?

18      A.   That's correct.

19      Q.   Okay.   In your expert disclosure, you cited an article

20      called Asset Pricing in the Dark:        The Cross-Section of OTC

21      Stocks.

22                   Do you remember that article?

23      A.   Yes.

24      Q.   Okay.   And then, as the authors of the article explained

25      in the article's summary, over-the-counter or OTC stocks are



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 1      far less liquid, disclose less information and exhibit lower

 2      institutional holdings than do listed stocks.

 3                  Is that consistent with your recollection of that

 4      article?

 5      A.   Yes.

 6      Q.   So there's meaningful differences between OTC stocks and

 7      stocks that are listed on exchanges like NASDAQ.          Is that

 8      right?

 9      A.   There's certainly differences when one looks at the

10      entire population.      NASDAQ has some of the largest publicly

11      traded companies.

12                  In the biotech space in particular, biotech

13      companies on NASDAQ by and large tend to be very small,

14      either small caps or micro caps.        There are biotechs on

15      NASDAQ which are comparable to OTC stocks like Decision

16      Diagnostics.

17                  I don't have the exact numbers in front of me as

18      to the average market cap of each; but from my experience,

19      you know, companies go off and on NASDAQ, particularly

20      biotech companies.      And so, you know, there's a general

21      similarity in the nature of those companies in that group.

22      Q.   So to kind of follow up about that group, the NASDAQ

23      biotechnology index is constructed from the prices of more

24      than 200 securities.      Is that right?

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 1      Q.   And they include both biotechnology companies and

 2      pharmaceutical companies.       Is that right?

 3      A.   I'd have to go back and check the index inclusion

 4      criteria.    But that sounds correct to me.

 5      Q.   It would include companies like 23andMe?

 6      A.   I don't know off the top of my head which companies --

 7      Q.   So you --

 8      A.   -- are in --

 9      Q.   -- don't know --

10                  THE COURT REPORTER:     I'm sorry.    I didn't get the

11      answer.

12                  THE WITNESS:    I don't know off the top of my head

13      which companies are -- I don't have the entire list of 200

14      companies in front of me.

15      BY MS. TAUBMAN:

16      Q.   And you showed us a chart earlier.        It was the

17      Government's Exhibit 6-A2.

18                  MS. TAUBMAN:    I don't have an electronic version,

19      but I have a paper copy.

20                  MR. REILLY:    We can pull it up.

21                  MS. TAUBMAN:    That would be great.      Thank you.

22      BY MS. TAUBMAN:

23      Q.   So according to this chart, it looks like the DECN

24      closing price was never more than 45 cents in 2020.              Is that

25      accurate?



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 1      A.   I'm sorry.    Could you repeat the question?

 2      Q.   Yeah.   I'm looking at the chart and looking at the trend

 3      in the DECN closing price.       And it appears that it's never

 4      higher than 45 cents.      It kind of -- is that right?

 5      A.   That is consistent with the data on the chart.          Yes.

 6      Q.   Okay.   And -- but the price per stocks traded on NASDAQ

 7      tends to be higher than that.       Is that accurate?

 8      A.   Not as a general statement.       There are NASDAQ issuers

 9      who trade below one dollar.       They're in danger of being

10      delisted off of NASDAQ if they remain below one dollar.             So

11      there are certainly fewer what we would call penny stocks on

12      NASDAQ.

13      Q.   And to be in the NASDAQ biotechnology index, the

14      security must have a minimum market capitalization of

15      $200 million.     Is that accurate?

16      A.   I don't recall the index inclusion criteria.         That

17      wouldn't surprise me.

18      Q.   And over the period that we are discussing for your

19      estimation, DECN's market capitalization, would it have

20      approached $200 million?

21      A.   I'd have to look carefully at the numbers.         But I don't

22      think it would be far from that figure if you took, let's

23      say, just round numbers, 50 cents times, you know, 300

24      million shares, for example, you would get 150 million

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 1                  So I don't -- you know, I don't know exactly what

 2      the number would be.      But I don't think it would be an order

 3      of magnitude less than 200 million.

 4      Q.   But it would be below the minimum of 200 million?

 5      A.   Again, it might be.     But I can't say with certainty

 6      because, as I was explaining earlier, there were more than

 7      300 million shares issued.       I can say probably it would have

 8      been below.    But I would have to check to be sure.

 9      Q.   And I believe, as your opinion that you shared earlier,

10      that you believe that DECN's stock price is not impacted by

11      industry-specific events.       Is that accurate?

12      A.   I didn't identify any evidence to indicate that Decision

13      Diagnostics' stock price was affected by industry-specific

14      events.

15      Q.   And you reached that conclusion because you found that

16      the DECN stock price was not correlated with this NASDAQ

17      index we were discussing?

18      A.   Well, the NASDAQ biotech index is not a comparator

19      because of the similarity between NBI -- between that index

20      and Decision Diagnostics.

21                  The reason why one would compare a stock like

22      Decision Diagnostics to the NASDAQ biotech index is because

23      an index of heavily traded biotech stocks will reflect

24      industry-wide news.      So if the price of NBI goes up, that

25      would occur, among other reasons, if there was positive



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 1      biotech industry news; and, vice versa, if the price of NBI

 2      went down, that would occur, among other reasons, if there

 3      was negative biotech industry news.

 4                    So the way that the peer-reviewed literature in

 5      financial economics uses indices -- and in fact, many times

 6      the indices that are used to compare stock prices are very

 7      different from the companies who are being compared, not

 8      because one is comparing between two similar companies, but

 9      because the external market forces of interest are measured

10      through the changes in the price of the index.

11                    So if there was biotech industry news, one would

12      certainly expect that it would be in the price of NBI.           And

13      if that news were also affecting Decision Diagnostics' stock

14      price, one would expect to see therefore a correlation

15      between these two prices, even though NBI may be different

16      from Decision Diagnostics in many ways.

17      Q.   Right.    But if the index also includes stocks that may

18      be dissimilar from DECN, like a pharmaceutical company, for

19      example, then it would potentially reflect news from other

20      types of companies than DECN.       Is that right?

21      A.   No.   I don't think that's a correct description of the

22      financial economics methodology.

23                    There are pharmaceutical indices.      The reason one

24      uses an index of a particular type is precisely to address

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 1                  Any index will consist of companies that are

 2      different from each other in lots of ways.         But the purpose

 3      of the index is to aggregate together companies that are

 4      similar along one dimension, in this case biotechnology.         So

 5      pharmaceutical-specific company news will be averaged out

 6      such that the biotech index reflects on average

 7      biotech-relevant information.

 8      Q.    Let me rephrase a bit.

 9                  That index reflects information that's relevant to

10      all the companies that are included in the -- in deriving

11      it.   Is that right?

12      A.    I wouldn't characterize it as information that's

13      relevant to all of the companies.

14                  Each company in the index has information that's

15      idiosyncratic to that company.       But when you aggregate or

16      average them into an index, what remains from that average

17      is what is a common -- we call it pricing factor to all of

18      the companies in that index.

19                  But the information reflected by that pricing

20      factor is the only information that's coming to all of the

21      companies in that index.       So if you have information that

22      affects a few companies in the index, but it's not common to

23      all the companies in the index, it would not be measured by

24      the index because the index would be averaging that

25      idiosyncratic information out.



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 1      Q.   So if there was some information that was relevant to a

 2      subset of companies in the index, though, that information

 3      might get averaged out and not be reflected as strongly in

 4      the overall index if there are essentially other types of

 5      companies in the index?

 6      A.   The logic of that statement is correct.         But of course

 7      it applies both ways.      So it applies to information about

 8      some of the companies that could be positive on any given

 9      day and it applies to information about other companies that

10      could be negative.      On average, what's left in the change of

11      the price at NBI is what is consistently correlated or

12      consistently common to all of the companies in that index,

13      meaning it goes the same direction.

14                   For an index that consists of biotech companies --

15      and that's the inclusion criteria -- the standard approach

16      in the financial economics literature is to use that sort of

17      index as a measure of biotech's industry news.

18      Q.   Did you attempt to identify a peer group of companies

19      for DECN aside from your work with this NASDAQ index?

20      A.   I did not.

21      Q.   Okay.   And you had mentioned earlier when you were

22      discussing your calculations a data source called OTC

23      Markets that tracks stocks that are traded over the counter,

24      like DECN?

25      A.   That's correct.



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 1      Q.   And the OTC Markets website also includes some industry

 2      classification information.       Is that right?

 3      A.   It includes industry classification information that in

 4      my experience, because I've researched the OTC Markets

 5      platform, it's very inconsistent.        There are classification

 6      codes that I personally in my work have not found, you know,

 7      persuasive or coherent as a means of organizing companies.

 8      Some of the industries have maybe less than ten companies in

 9      them, which is not a particularly reliable metric of an

10      industry.

11      Q.   Did you make any attempt to replicate the analysis that

12      you performed with a NASDAQ index with that OTC Markets

13      data?

14      A.   I did not.    For reasons I've explained earlier, the OTC

15      Markets generally are a problematic source of stock prices

16      for constructing an index because in order for an index

17      value to be a reliable measure of industry-specific news,

18      the index needs to be heavily traded such that changes that

19      are relevant to the industry are, in fact, impounded into

20      the price of the index.

21                  Unfortunately, while the OTC stocks, as I

22      explained earlier, would have been my first choice, I was

23      not satisfied and did not find a group of OTC stocks whose

24      prices were reacting with sufficient frequency that I felt

25      it was a reliable measure of biotech news.



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 1                   So just to clarify, I did think about this

 2      question and look at the stock prices that were available.

 3      But I did not identify an index that I thought was a

 4      reliable measure of industry-specific news in a way that

 5      would be consistent with the financial economics literature

 6      and methodology.

 7      Q.   Okay.   I want to turn back to this chart.        The chart

 8      shows the trendline for the NASDAQ biotech index that we

 9      were just discussing as well.       Correct?

10      A.   Yes.

11      Q.   And that trendline looks flatter than the DECN price

12      trendline.    Is that right?

13      A.   Yes.    And that's consistent with the literature we were

14      discussing previously, that penny stocks tend to have

15      idiosyncratic volatility, meaning there's a lot of

16      idiosyncratic information that is specific to the penny

17      stock, which will cause the price of that penny stock to be

18      responsive to what's going on with that company far more and

19      maybe even to the exclusion of market-wide or industrywide

20      information.

21      Q.   But these two trend lines are plotted essentially using

22      the different axes, so on the left is the DECN closing price

23      and on the right is the NBI closing price.         Was there any

24      syncing up of the percentages or other ways of associating

25      these two lines when you put them on there?



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 1      A.   Yes.    The regression analysis that I described earlier

 2      of the closing price changes in Decision Diagnostics on the

 3      NASDAQ biotech index uses percentage changes, which are

 4      scale invariant, meaning they are -- the percentage change

 5      essentially bakes in the differences in the scales.

 6                   And in fact, it's important to recognize that even

 7      in a situation where the stock price moves more in magnitude

 8      than the index -- so let's say for every 1 percent increase

 9      in the index, the stock might go up 2 percent.          That would

10      also be captured by the regression analysis.

11                   So the regression analysis would not require a

12      one-to-one correlation between the industry factor and the

13      stock price.     It would also allow and yield potentially a

14      statistically significant coefficient even if the stock were

15      more volatile but were still correlated with the industry

16      factor.

17                   So the absence of any statistically significant

18      correlation means that I can rule that out as well.

19      Q.   We can talk about that.      I was just -- sorry.      I thought

20      it was a simple question.

21                   On this particular chart, I just see the two

22      lines.    One of them is jumping up and down a lot more than

23      the other.    Is there any meaningful way to compare those two

24      lines and the volatility just looking at this chart?

25      A.   One wouldn't make that comparison by looking at the



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 1      chart.    One would use the regression analysis that I was

 2      describing.

 3      Q.   Okay.    And then on the chart, on April 23rd, 2020, the

 4      SEC announced that it would suspend trading of DECN stock.

 5      Is that right?

 6      A.   That's what I recall.      Yes.

 7      Q.   And the SEC suspension order specifically referenced

 8      language in DECN's press releases.        Correct?

 9      A.   That's consistent with my recollection.         Yes.

10      Q.   And the suspension ran from April 24th through May 7th,

11      2020.    Correct?

12      A.   That's consistent with my recollection.         Yes.

13      Q.   Would you agree that during that time no one could sell

14      or purchase DECN stock?

15      A.   That's what a trading suspension is.        Yes.

16      Q.   Okay.    And the suspension is indicated on this chart

17      with the shaded column; is that right?

18      A.   Yes.

19      Q.   Okay.    Would you agree that the DECN share price

20      decreased immediately following the SEC suspension?              Is that

21      correct?

22      A.   Yes.

23      Q.   So you spoke a bit about your regressions earlier.

24                   You're using those regressions as part of your

25      opinion that there were no significant changes in DECN's



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 1      stock price not related to the fraud.         Is that accurate?

 2      A.   I don't believe that's accurate.       I'm using the

 3      regression analysis to examine whether external market

 4      forces consistently or systematically explain changes in the

 5      price of Decision Diagnostics' stock.

 6      Q.   And when you say "external market forces," are you

 7      referring to changed economic circumstances, changed

 8      investor expectations and new industry-specific or

 9      firm-specific facts, conditions or events?

10      A.   Yes.

11      Q.   So you are considering firm-specific facts, conditions

12      or events in that statement?

13      A.   Well, I agree that that is -- that firm-specific facts

14      are an external market force.

15                   For purposes of this analysis, I did not evaluate

16      with a regression analysis       firm-specific facts.     I don't

17      believe it's possible to do that, because any firm-specific

18      facts would be embedded within the stock price of the firm,

19      so you wouldn't have a comparator.        So it's not possible to

20      do that with a regression analysis.

21      Q.   Okay.

22                   MS. TAUBMAN:   The Court's indulgence.

23      BY MS. TAUBMAN:

24      Q.   Saying there are newly issued common shares doesn't tell

25      you whether the shares were issued as a result of a



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 1      preferred shareholder converting its existing preferred

 2      shares into common stock that is issued by the company.

 3      Correct?

 4      A.   I think I agree with that.       Shares can be newly issued

 5      for many different reasons.

 6      Q.   Did you ever review DECN's public filings?

 7      A.   As I mentioned earlier, I did review those filings in

 8      the course of preparing my analysis.

 9      Q.   Did you ever review any of DECN's quarterly public

10      reports which contain stock and notes tables that would have

11      told you that the new shares of common stocks were actually

12      the result of preferred shareholders converting existing

13      preferred shares into new shares of common stock?

14      A.   As I said before, the fact that shares are issued --

15      newly issued in exchange for cash or in exchange for

16      preferred shares or in exchange for notes or other

17      obligations of the company doesn't change in my view the

18      conclusion that those are newly issued shares.

19                  Maybe one way to think about it is a preferred

20      shareholder in that example has, you know, a set of shares

21      that are worth a certain amount.

22                  And when they convert, they get a set of common

23      shares that are worth the same amount, so that they're in my

24      view equally injured when the value of those common shares

25      that they received in the conversion is inflated by fraud,



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 1      because they now become a common shareholder and so they're

 2      exposed to the same loss that other common shareholders are

 3      exposed to.

 4                  MS. TAUBMAN:    I have no further questions, your

 5      Honor.

 6                  THE COURT:    Thank you.

 7                  Hold on just a second.

 8                  Can you put 6-A2 back up.

 9                  So, Dr. Mitts, kind of going back to my idea here

10      about the pre-fraud status quo, it looks to me -- I mean,

11      you indicate the 90 days following the fraud, the stocks

12      were worth about 2 cents a share.        Is that right?

13                  THE WITNESS:    Yes.

14                  THE COURT:    Eyeballing this, it looks to me like

15      there are probably -- they're worth about the same before.

16      Is that right?

17                  THE WITNESS:    That's correct, your Honor.

18                  THE COURT:    And so I guess in some ways it doesn't

19      really matter.

20                  Well, let me ask you this:       Is there a reason that

21      I'm missing why kind of looking at what happened before as a

22      baseline is wrong?

23                  THE WITNESS:    No, your Honor.     I don't think it's

24      wrong.    And in fact, I think as an economic matter, if you

25      think about price inflation as false information that has



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 1      been put into the market, if the price, you know, started

 2      out at what it was and then you added that false

 3      information, well, the difference should exactly measure the

 4      impact of that false information.

 5                  So I think my reference earlier was just to the

 6      fact that I was asked to apply the MRM formula.          But I think

 7      it would also be a reasonable estimate of the loss to use

 8      the price before.

 9                  THE COURT:    And I mean, again, I think a major

10      question here is:     When was the fraud period?

11                  Can you draw any conclusions from an economic

12      matter that the window you've taken looked to --

13      essentially, it goes back to the status quo ante as opposed

14      to another period earlier in the year, where it would be

15      significantly different?

16                  THE WITNESS:    Yes, your Honor.     I think that,

17      apart from what's in the record about additional statements

18      that were made during the period that I referred to as the

19      period of the fraud, it would be standard in the financial

20      economics literature to expect that the price after a

21      complete corrective disclosure, after the truth is revealed,

22      would be approximately similar to the price before a

23      material misstatement was made, because they're both

24      measuring in effect the true value of the shares absent the

25      artificial inflation.
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 1                   THE COURT:    Ms. Taubman, any questions based on my

 2      questions?

 3                   MS. TAUBMAN:    No, your Honor.

 4                   THE COURT:    Any redirect?

 5                   MR. REILLY:    Subject to recall on rebuttal, no

 6      further questions from the Government either.

 7                   THE COURT:    Thank you, Professor.     You may step

 8      down.

 9                   (Witness excused.)

10                   THE COURT:    Anything further from the Government?

11                   MR. REILLY:    That's all we had, your Honor.         Thank

12      you.

13                   THE COURT:    For defense?

14                   MR. COLLINS:    Your Honor, if you're ready to

15      proceed, we'll call our witness.        I don't know if you wanted

16      to break.

17                   THE COURT:    We can continue.    Justice never

18      sleeps.

19                   MR. COLLINS:    At this point, on behalf of Keith

20      Berman, we're going to call our expert, Jim Reilly.              Brandon

21      Howell, my colleague, will be doing his exam.

22                   JAMES REILLY, DEFENSE WITNESS, SWORN.

23                   THE COURT:    Good afternoon, sir.

24                                DIRECT EXAMINATION

25



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 1      BY MR. HOWELL:

 2      Q.   Good afternoon.     Please tell us your name.

 3      A.   James Reilly.

 4      Q.   Can you spell that?

 5      A.   R-E-I-L-L-Y.

 6      Q.   Mr. Reilly, can you tell us about your education?

 7      A.   Sure.   I received a BS in finance from the University of

 8      Maryland in 1987.

 9      Q.   Can you tell us about your work experience?

10      A.   Sure.   I have been a compliance professional throughout

11      my professional career.      I started in the late '80s working

12      as a special investigator for an entity that's now known as

13      FINRA, previously known as NASD, regulation.          Various

14      compliance positions throughout the years.

15                   The last part of my career, I was managing

16      director and head of global equities compliance at Goldman

17      Sachs.

18                   I was then the chief compliance officer, head of

19      all compliance, at TIAA-CREF.

20                   Then I became the head of compliance/chief

21      compliance officer for TD Ameritrade.

22      Q.   Now, are any of these companies, your prior employment,

23      broker-dealers?

24      A.   They're all broker-dealers.

25      Q.   Can you explain what a broker-dealer is?



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 1      A.   Sure.   Very simply, a firm that's authorized under the

 2      federal securities laws to transact, you know, equities,

 3      fixed income, different types of trades with customers on

 4      exchanges, OTC pink sheets, whatever the different things.

 5      So it's basically a specific type of legal entity that deals

 6      with customers and their trading in the capital markets.

 7      Q.   Have you received any specialized training or licenses

 8      in your current field?

 9      A.   Yes.    Throughout my career, I have obtained a number of

10      licenses in the securities industry.

11      Q.   And can you tell us a little bit more about those

12      licenses?

13      A.   Sure.   So they range from the basic general securities

14      license, which is called the Series 7, that trains you in

15      the basics of the rules and regulations and requirements of

16      the industry.

17                   Along the way I also received specialized exams:

18      the New York Stock Exchange chief compliance officer

19      examination; a number of general securities principal

20      licenses that allowed me to supervise others; and the

21      futures and commodities exam, the Series 3.

22      Q.   How do you obtain those licenses?

23      A.   It's standard, you know, study and then taking written

24      tests.

25      Q.   And do you consider yourself an expert in any area or



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 1      field?

 2      A.     Sure.   Throughout my career, I've become expert in the

 3      various federal securities laws and state -- self-regulatory

 4      body rules and regulations.       So most especially the

 5      Securities Act of 1933, the Exchange Act of 1934 and FINRA

 6      and NFA rules and regulations as well as the Commodity and

 7      Exchange Act.

 8      Q.     Have you ever testified as an expert before?

 9      A.     I have.

10      Q.     Can you explain that?

11      A.     Sure.   Since the fall of 2018, I started doing this type

12      of work about half-time.

13                     I've appeared in 36 FINRA arbitrations, which is

14      the main part of the work that I do.        I've appeared in

15      federal court once in the Middle District of Tennessee and

16      I've got a number of pending state and federal court matters

17      coming up.

18      Q.     You just mentioned -- can you explain what your current

19      position is?

20      A.     Sure.   I'm the managing partner of PNA Consulting, LLC,

21      my own sole-member LLC.

22      Q.     Can you explain what your current role and your duties

23      are?

24      A.     Sure.   In this part of my work, I do some consulting for

25      financial services firms and clients, law firms.          I also do



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 1      a lot of expert witness appearances, as we just discussed.

 2      Q.   You said you started in 2018?

 3      A.   In the fall of 2018.      Correct.

 4      Q.   Have you ever worked specifically with assessing when

 5      and whether fraud has been disclosed to the market?

 6      A.   Yes, I have.

 7      Q.   Can you explain that?

 8      A.   Sure.    In a couple of arbitrations that I was involved

 9      with, that was one of the key elements of at least two

10      cases.

11      Q.   Have you ever calculated the amount of potential loss

12      arising from fraud?

13      A.   Yes.    I do damages calculations in almost all my cases.

14                    MR. HOWELL:   Your Honor, we offer Mr. Reilly as an

15      expert relating to -- in the field of financial services,

16      complex litigation matters.

17                    MR. FENTON:   No objection.

18                    THE COURT:    Without objection, Mr. Reilly will be

19      recognized as an expert in the field of financial services

20      and complex litigation matters.

21                    MR. HOWELL:   Thank you.

22      BY MR. HOWELL:

23      Q.   So in preparation for your testimony today, did you

24      review certain information?

25      A.   I did.



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 1      Q.   What information did you review?

 2      A.   The variety of information provided by counsel from

 3      discovery between the Government and counsel for the

 4      Defendant.    That included information such as -- one of the

 5      things that stuck out for me is the Blue Sheet information

 6      from July 9, 2020.      You know, the press releases, different

 7      pleadings.    I mean, it's standard for an expert to look at a

 8      wide variety of information in forming his opinions.

 9      Q.   Let's talk about penny stocks.

10                   Are you familiar with over-the-counter securities?

11      A.   I am.

12      Q.   Can you explain what over-the-counter securities are?

13      A.   Sure.    So there's a segment of the market,

14      over-the-counter market, where they are -- the securities

15      that trade there are not listed on a major exchange like the

16      NASDAQ or the New York Stock Exchange, typically because

17      they don't meet the listing requirements of those exchanges

18      based on whether it's market capitalization or average daily

19      trading volume, et cetera.

20                   And so there's a segment of the market, typically

21      low-value, low-market capitalization securities, that trade

22      on the OTC markets.

23      Q.   How does someone actually trade over-the-counter

24      securities?

25      A.   Sure.    If you wanted to buy shares in a company like



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 1      DECN, you would have to go to your broker-dealer.          And in

 2      this day and age, typically you will enter an order

 3      electronically saying, Buy 100 shares of XYZ.          That order

 4      will be transmitted to -- the OTC market is a little bit

 5      different than exchanges.       It's all -- it's a

 6      dealer-to-dealer market.       So there's market makers that make

 7      markets in the securities as opposed to an exchange, where

 8      you can send your orders to have them executed there.

 9                  And so your broker will then transmit it to a

10      market maker for execution.

11      Q.   Is there, like, a trading system that's generally used

12      for microcap or lower-cap stocks?

13      A.   Well, to trade DECN specifically, you'd have to use the

14      OTC link system of otcmarkets.com.        That is technically what

15      is known as an alternative trading system.         It allows

16      different brokers to trade with each other electronically.

17      Q.   So this is OTC Markets Group?

18      A.   Correct.

19      Q.   Based on the information you reviewed, was DECN stock

20      traded on this OTC Markets Group platform?

21      A.   It was.

22      Q.   What are penny stocks?

23      A.   Penny stocks are defined under the Exchange Act of '34

24      as -- they have basically -- there's a number of different

25      tests, $5 million in market capitalization, a number of



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 1      other factors.

 2                  I think people use that term more broadly as a

 3      low-priced -- you know, some people call it microcap

 4      securities; some people call them penny stocks.          They are

 5      all basically these stocks -- about 10,000 to 12,000

 6      companies on any -- in any given year that are trading

 7      through OTC Markets.

 8                  THE COURT:    So that's basically synonymous?         OTC

 9      and --

10                  THE WITNESS:    Yeah.   In my experience, if you hear

11      someone say microcap or penny stock or pink sheet stock --

12      that's another term that's kind of a legacy term.          They

13      literally used to be -- the quotes were published on pink

14      paper.    Those are all kind of used interchangeably in the

15      industry.    They have specific meaning, like penny stocks is

16      defined in the '34 act.      But people use them more

17      interchangeably.

18                  THE COURT:    Okay.

19      BY MR. HOWELL:

20      Q.   Can you describe how someone trades in over-the-counter

21      securities?    Is the trading of penny stocks the same?          Is

22      that how penny stocks are traded, the same way?

23      A.   Yes.   You're going to a broker-dealer.       Say I want to,

24      you know, buy or sell whatever shares you're interested in.

25      They will then transmit that order through the OTC Markets



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 1      link for execution.

 2      Q.   So broker-dealers are very involved in the trading of

 3      penny stocks?

 4      A.   Yes.    Absolutely.

 5      Q.   Can you describe the nature of the risks that are

 6      involved with investing in penny stocks?

 7      A.   Sure.   Well, it is -- I mean, penny stocks, you know,

 8      they have much lower information content than an

 9      exchange-traded stock like an Apple or Google.          They have

10      much lower liquidity typically.        Some don't trade at all on

11      certain days.

12                   There's a lot of -- there's -- it's very difficult

13      to access reliable quotations at times for what the best

14      price you can get to buy or sell the security.          So there's a

15      number of risk factors involved with trading in this segment

16      of the market.

17      Q.   So are penny stocks riskier?

18      A.   Yeah.   Riskier than -- as an equity security sub-asset

19      class, they are much more risky and speculative than, you

20      know, let's talk about a mid-cap or even a small-cap or a

21      mid-cap or large-capitalization -- and when I say "cap," I

22      mean capitalization, how much the shares are worth.

23      Q.   So you mentioned speculation.       The penny stock market,

24      based on your experience, is there a fair amount of

25      speculation, speculative trading?



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 1      A.   Absolutely.    While I was at TD Ameritrade, we did --

 2      TD Ameritrade had -- its business model is self-directed

 3      investors who are making their own choices to do whatever

 4      kind of trading they want.       Right?   So they can decide to

 5      buy 100 shares of Apple or they can decide to buy a thousand

 6      shares of DECN.     They basically -- we would facilitate any

 7      kind of transactions that they wanted to do.          They'd make

 8      their own decisions.      We helped facilitate those.

 9                  And so going through that process, they have to

10      then enter the orders in.       And there's -- we'll talk in a

11      second about the different steps that they have to go

12      through in this segment of the market.

13      Q.   Based on your experience, could you tell us what was

14      happening in the market in April 2020, the stock market?

15      A.   Well, I would go back to March, quite honestly, with the

16      onset of the worldwide pandemic known as COVID-19 --

17      right? -- that had a distinct effect on the markets.             We saw

18      things like the massive decrease in value of travel-related

19      stocks, airlines.     And then you saw a lot of investors and

20      speculators trying to find buying opportunities to make

21      money in an otherwise-falling market.

22                  MR. HOWELL:    Your Honor, we'd like to present an

23      exhibit.    I think there's a bench binder that has exhibits.

24      We aren't going to display them, but just have him refer to

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 1                     THE COURT:    Okay.

 2                     THE WITNESS:   Doing it old-school.

 3                     MR. HOWELL:    May I approach, your Honor?

 4                     (Tenders document to the Court.)

 5                     THE COURT:    Is this for me?

 6                     MR. REILLY:    We have them if you want to put them

 7      on the screen for everyone.

 8                     THE COURT:    That might be easier, actually, if we

 9      can do that.

10                     MR. HOWELL:    That's fine.

11                     THE COURT:    If you want to provide one, that's

12      good.    But typically we try to do it electronically.

13                     MR. HOWELL:    It will be Defense Exhibit 005, DX

14      005.

15                     THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:   Is it coming up on the

16      screen?

17                     MR. HOWELL:    I think the Government is going to

18      put it up.

19                     THE WITNESS:   There we go.

20      BY MR. HOWELL:

21      Q.     Have you seen this document before, Mr. Reilly?

22      A.     I have.

23      Q.     Can you explain what it is?

24      A.     Sure.   It's a printout of a website of a gentleman who

25      does trading advice for people who subscribe to his blog and



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 1      his newsletter, if memory serves.

 2      Q.   Based on your testimony, the speculation that was taking

 3      place, is this a fair example of the penny stock kind of

 4      trading patterns and speculation that was taking place in

 5      the early 2020 timeframe?

 6      A.   Yeah.

 7                   MR. FENTON:    Objection to form.

 8                   THE COURT:    Overruled.

 9                   THE WITNESS:   So yes.     It was, you know, an

10      example of traders, speculators, looking for buying

11      opportunities in the market around that time.          You see this

12      kind of stuff all over the internet all the time.

13      Everyone's got different trading strategies, different

14      ideas, how to express those.       Some people will focus on

15      penny stocks because they think they can get bigger bang for

16      their buck there.     Other people focus on different segments

17      of the market.

18                   MR. HOWELL:    Your Honor, we'd move to admit DX 005

19      into evidence.

20                   MR. FENTON:    No objection.

21                   THE COURT:    Without objection, 5 is in.

22                   (Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit No. 5 was entered

23      into evidence.)

24      BY MR. HOWELL:

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 1      A.   Sure.

 2      Q.   Does the SEC have the ability to suspend trading of a

 3      company's stock?

 4      A.   Absolutely.

 5      Q.   What are the reasons that the SEC would suspend or could

 6      suspend trading?

 7      A.   In my professional experience, they've -- they're doing

 8      a preliminary investigation.       They have what they think is a

 9      credible problem with an issuer.        It could be many different

10      things.    They may not be current in their filings to the

11      Commission; they may find potential indicia of fraud.            And

12      they use those -- they review those factors and decide to

13      issue trading suspensions from time to time.

14      Q.   Does the SEC publicize its suspension of trading?

15      A.   Absolutely.

16      Q.   How does the SEC make the public aware that they're

17      suspending --

18      A.   On sec.gov --

19      Q.   -- a trading?

20      A.   They will publish on sec.gov.       They will also release as

21      a press release the order and the companion details when

22      they have a trading suspension.        That is picked up by all

23      the different exchanges and broker-dealers on Wall Street so

24      that they can take note of that.

25      Q.   So the OTC Markets Group, they would -- this



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 1      information -- pick it up --

 2      A.   Yeah.    They have a feed where they would subscribe to

 3      that kind of -- that kind of news from the SEC so that they

 4      could initiate the suspension on their platform.

 5                    MR. HOWELL:   I'd like to pull up DX 001.

 6      BY MR. HOWELL:

 7      Q.   Can you tell me what this document is?

 8      A.   Sure.    It is the trade suspension of DECN dated April

 9      23rd, 2020, by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

10      Q.   Have you seen this document before?

11      A.   I have.

12      Q.   Did you rely on this document in your analysis?

13      A.   I did.

14      Q.   Is this a fair and accurate copy of the SEC release that

15      you've reviewed?

16      A.   It is.

17                    MR. HOWELL:   Your Honor, we'd move to admit DX 001

18      into evidence.

19                    MR. FENTON:   No objection.

20                    THE COURT:    Without objection, 1 is in.

21                    (Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit No. 001 was

22      entered into evidence.)

23                    THE COURT:    Can we pull up DX 002.

24      BY MR. HOWELL:

25      Q.   Can you tell me what this document is?



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 1      A.   This is the more detailed order of the suspension in

 2      trading in Decision Diagnostics.        So this was attached to

 3      the first document we just reviewed also dated April 23rd,

 4      2020.

 5      Q.   Have you seen this document before?

 6      A.   I have.

 7      Q.   Did you rely on this document?

 8      A.   I did.

 9      Q.   Is it a fair and accurate copy of the suspension order

10      that you reviewed?

11      A.   It is.

12                    MR. HOWELL:    Judge, we'd move to admit DX 002 into

13      evidence.

14                    MR. FENTON:    No objection.

15                    THE COURT:    Without objection, 2 is in.

16                    (Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit No. 002 was

17      entered into evidence.)

18                    MR. HOWELL:    Turn to DX 012.   Sorry.   That's not

19      the right one.

20                    Your indulgence, your Honor.

21                    We have a different 012 in our binder.

22                    THE WITNESS:   It is now on my screen, Mr. Howell.

23      BY MR. HOWELL:

24      Q.   Thank you.

25                    Can you tell me what this document is?



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 1      A.   It is a copy of an investor alert issued by the SEC on

 2      April 10th, 2020.

 3      Q.   Is there another date that you see on the document?

 4      A.   It was -- it looks like it was subsequently updated on

 5      May 6th, 2020.

 6      Q.   Have you seen this document before?

 7      A.   I have.

 8      Q.   What is the title of the document or of the investor

 9      alert?

10      A.   It talks about -- it says, Frauds Targeting Main Street

11      Investors:     Investor Alert.    And this one is specifically

12      focused on potential frauds related to COVID-19.

13      Q.   Is DECN listed?

14      A.   Yes.    I believe on Page 2, there are a number of

15      securities that are listed.       DECN appears about halfway down

16      the page, roughly.

17      Q.   Thank you.

18                   MR. HOWELL:   Your Honor, we'd move to admit DX 012

19      into evidence.

20                   MR. FENTON:   No objection.

21                   THE COURT:    Without objection, 12 is in.

22                   (Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit No. 012 was

23      entered into evidence.)

24      BY MR. HOWELL:

25      Q.   I want to talk about protocols after trading



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 1      suspensions.

 2      A.   Uh-huh.

 3      Q.   So what -- are there protocols in place that alert

 4      traders to the fact that, you know, trading with company

 5      stock has been suspended?

 6      A.   Yes.   Like -- as I said earlier, OTC Markets is the

 7      listing market for these types of -- for DECN; I'll keep it

 8      specific -- are getting the feeds from the SEC of trading

 9      suspensions so that they can initiate the suspension,

10      prevent trading on their platform in the stock while the

11      suspension is in effect.

12                  And then when the suspension is lifted, OTC

13      Markets has another set of protocols where they will append

14      two warnings to -- it changes the characteristic of DECN in

15      the market.    They put -- they append a warning that's caveat

16      emptor, whose icon is a skull and crossbones.          Pretty

17      straightforward.

18                  And there's another thing that says Expert Market,

19      which means that they will no longer publish live quotations

20      of that security.     So you can ask your broker to trade it,

21      but they're the ones who have to go find out the quotations

22      for you.

23                  THE COURT:    And so I'm not an investor.       Could I

24      just go online now and buy penny stocks?

25                  THE WITNESS:    You could.    You would have to go



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 1      through some processes.      I think those processes are

 2      important for this case.

 3                  THE COURT:    And so is that -- the skull and

 4      crossbones, would that be visible to the average purchaser?

 5                  THE WITNESS:    If you go to otcmarkets.com and pull

 6      up -- which is, again, the primary listing venue for these

 7      securities -- if you pull up DECN, you could see the caveat

 8      emptor warning with the skull and crossbones.

 9                  If you go to TD Ameritrade or Charles Schwab or

10      Fidelity -- pick your favorite online broker-dealer -- what

11      you will see there is something a little bit different,

12      which is if it's -- the processes and procedures at online

13      broker-dealers are to generally allow electronic trading,

14      like you just enter the order and it goes.         But for all OTC

15      market securities, firms have long had policies and

16      procedures from a risk perspective to either flash up, This

17      is a caveat emptor stock.       It's speculative.     You could lose

18      all your money.     Do you want to enter this trade?

19                  Or in the case of once it actually does go into a

20      trading suspension, you have to actually call in the order

21      instead of just being able to enter it electronically.             And

22      the call center registered representative will read you a

23      script that says:     This is a speculative security.        You

24      could lose all your money.       It's recently been suspended by

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 1                    THE COURT:    And so just one way or the other,

 2      basically anybody who's going to try to buy this stock would

 3      be alerted to this?

 4                    THE WITNESS:    Through these channels that I'm

 5      talking about, yes.        Absolutely.

 6                    So I find it difficult to see how you could avoid

 7      knowing that there was danger ahead, which is the whole

 8      purpose of the caveat emptor warning.

 9                    THE COURT:    And does that -- how long does that

10      stay in place?

11                    THE WITNESS:    It is -- that remains on DECN's

12      stock to this day.      So it can be taken down if it's proven

13      by the company that it was not warranted in some way.            But

14      in general, they stay there forever.

15                    THE COURT:    Okay.   Thank you.

16                    You may proceed.

17      BY MR. HOWELL:

18      Q.   Did you collaborate on demonstratives to kind of help

19      illustrate --

20      A.   I did.    I even tried to enter a trade in a caveat emptor

21      stock on the Schwab platform.

22                    MR. HOWELL:    Your Honor, with the Court's

23      permission, we have some slides that help demonstrate

24      exactly what you were just questioning Mr. Reilly on with

25      the skull and crossbones, if you would allow us to put those



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 1      up.

 2                     THE COURT:   Okay.

 3      BY MR. HOWELL:

 4      Q.    So this is -- is this the skull and crossbones that you

 5      were -- just referenced to?

 6      A.    It is.    So if you pull up DECN's page on otcmarkets.com,

 7      you will see these warnings.         Again, these go into place as

 8      soon as the stock is suspended.

 9      Q.    Even though our slide says July 20, that's -- you're not

10      saying that's --

11      A.    Yeah.    Well, that's --

12                     THE COURT REPORTER:    I'm sorry.   For the record, I

13      didn't get a complete question.

14      BY MR. HOWELL:

15      Q.    I said, even though the slide says July 20th, 2020, just

16      because it says -- the slide says July 20, 2020, does not

17      mean that's the first day that he...

18      A.    Well, I like to use primary documents wherever I can.

19      Using the internet archive known as the Wayback Machine,

20      this is the oldest evidence I could find that it was there.

21                     I know from my industry experience that as soon as

22      the stock was suspended, OTC Markets, one, stopped trading,

23      as you saw from the gap in one of the charts we reviewed

24      earlier.

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 1      stock from the resumption of trading forward.          And again,

 2      this says July 20.      It's the oldest fact-based document that

 3      I could find.     If you look today online, you would see the

 4      same warnings.

 5                   MR. HOWELL:   Can we pull up DX 010.

 6      BY MR. HOWELL:

 7      Q.   So is this the document you were talking about where it

 8      had the July 20th -- this is the Wayback Machine --

 9      A.   Correct.

10      Q.   -- that you found?

11      A.   Correct.

12      Q.   Do you recognize this document?

13      A.   I do.

14      Q.   And can you tell us -- I don't know if you'll -- if you

15      can on the screen.      But can you read the date that is on the

16      document?

17      A.   You can see -- it's all the way on the top.         You can see

18      the URL shows it was retrieved on July -- this is an archive

19      that was done on July 20th, 2020.

20      Q.   Thank you.

21                   MR. HOWELL:   Your Honor, we'd move to admit DX 010

22      into evidence.

23                   MR. FENTON:   No objection.

24                   THE COURT:    Without objection, 10 is in.

25                   (Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit No. 010 was



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 1      entered into evidence.)

 2                    MR. HOWELL:    Can we turn to DX 042.

 3      BY MR. HOWELL:

 4      Q.   What is this document?

 5      A.   This is the report I prepared in this case.

 6      Q.   When did you prepare this report?

 7      A.   I believe last March.       Early March.

 8                    MR. HOWELL:    Could you just kind of scroll through

 9      it so he can see the report briefly?

10      BY MR. HOWELL:

11      Q.   Let me know if you've had a chance to review it,

12      Mr. Reilly.

13      A.   What's that?

14      Q.   Let me know when you've had a chance to review the

15      document.

16      A.   Sure.    This is one of the ones that's easier to do in a

17      physical copy.

18                    Yep.    It's March 11, 2024, to clarify the record.

19      That's the date of the report.

20      Q.   This is the report you filed?

21      A.   It is.

22      Q.   Do you think differently about this report today?

23      A.   No.

24                    MR. HOWELL:    Your Honor, we'd move to admit DX 042

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 1                     MR. FENTON:   No objection.

 2                     THE COURT:    Without objection, 042 is in.

 3                     (Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit No. 042 was

 4      entered into evidence.)

 5                     MR. HOWELL:   Can we turn to DX -- the same

 6      exhibit, 042, Page 1, Paragraph 5.

 7      BY MR. HOWELL:

 8      Q.    You referenced a Blue Sheet.      What is a Blue Sheet?

 9      A.    So the regulators have subpoena power to require all

10      broker-dealers to submit trading records to them.          So -- and

11      those are collectively known as Blue Sheet reports.              They

12      contain the information of -- for every broker-dealer in the

13      United States that held this particular one, that held -- or

14      customers held shares in DECN as of July 9th, 2020.              So you

15      can see the breakdown of which customers held it, which

16      firms.

17                     And I did a little bit of an analysis off of this

18      data once I received it from counsel.

19      Q.    Did you review the Blue Sheet?

20      A.    I did.

21      Q.    What was the date?

22      A.    July 9, 2020, as I said earlier.

23                     MR. HOWELL:   Can we ask Mr. Panikar to pull that

24      up.

25



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 1      BY MR. HOWELL:

 2      Q.   What did you observe on this Blue Sheet?

 3      A.   I summarized it in my report, which is -- this is a

 4      section -- or part of this demonstrative it draws from.

 5                   But not surprisingly to me, that over 86 percent,

 6      almost 87 percent of the shares on that date were held at

 7      the four largest online broker-dealers in the United States.

 8      Once again, TD Ameritrade was kind of the top of that pile.

 9      When I was chief compliance officer, we were typically 25 to

10      30 percent of trading in OTC pink sheet securities.

11      Q.   And based on your experience, is this of any

12      significance?

13      A.   Yeah.   It's very much along the lines of what I was

14      talking about before, where the process for anyone who wants

15      to trade in DECN, they're going to primarily do it through

16      an online broker-dealer.       Right?

17                   And this is evidence of that.      Those online

18      broker-dealers have very specific risk-based processes

19      because of the speculative and dangerous nature of trading

20      in OTC securities that they will put up those warnings that

21      I discussed.

22                   Either -- if you're buying one that's not caveat

23      emptor, you're going to get a warning screen that says:

24      This is a speculative security.         You may lose all your

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 1      to click "yes" again before entering the order.

 2                  Or if it's caveat emptor, an expert market, as

 3      DECN was coming out of its trading suspension, if you want

 4      to enter a trade in the security, you have to call us.           And

 5      we will -- and then -- I designed a process at TD Ameritrade

 6      where those reps had a script to read that said:          It's

 7      recently been suspended.       There's serious questions about

 8      the security.     Are you sure you want to invest in this?

 9      Q.   You mentioned you at TD Ameritrade -- you helped

10      design --

11      A.   Yes.   As the chief compliance officer of a firm that's

12      doing the largest portion of OTC security trading in the

13      United States, it was prudent for us to design policies,

14      processes and procedures to make sure that customers that

15      were -- wanted to do this kind of speculative trading were

16      at least adequately warned about the speculative and

17      dangerous nature of what they were about to enter into.          We

18      allow it, because it's their money, their choices.

19                  But we wanted to make sure -- assure ourselves

20      that they at least were armed with information sufficient to

21      put them on notice that these were speculative and dangerous

22      investments that they could lose all their money in.

23                  MR. HOWELL:    Mr. Panikar, if you'd turn to the

24      next slide.

25



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 1      BY MR. HOWELL:

 2      Q.   Does this illustrate what you were just talking about as

 3      far as the controls that are in place?

 4      A.   Yes.    I picked an OTC market stock that is currently

 5      trading that's expert market and caveat emptor and tried to

 6      enter an order from my personal account.         As you can see, I

 7      was not willing to waste any money on it.         But it pops up,

 8      the message that I expected to see.        But I wanted to have

 9      evidence of it for the Court.

10      Q.   Thank you.

11                    Were you asked to render an opinion as to loss

12      amount in this case?

13      A.   I was.

14      Q.   Are you familiar with the United States Sentencing

15      Guidelines suggestion as to a formula to calculate that

16      loss?

17      A.   I reviewed the note, yes.

18      Q.   Can you explain the method?

19      A.   Sure.    It basically calls on an average price of the

20      security in the fraud period compared with an average price

21      of a 90-day period after the fraud is disclosed.

22                    MR. HOWELL:   We have a demonstrative that will

23      help his further testimony as he discusses the dates.

24      BY MR. HOWELL:

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 1      A.   So from my perspective, you know -- well, counsel had

 2      said, you know -- we talked about the fraud period ending

 3      July 10th.

 4                   I have a very distinct view about this case, to be

 5      clear.    It's clear that the first press release was from

 6      March 3rd, 2020, at the beginning of the onset of the COVID

 7      pandemic.    It's also very clear that April 23rd was the SEC

 8      trading suspension.

 9                   And from that point forward, from May 8th forward,

10      when trading resumed, you know, as I said, the caveat emptor

11      warning was appended to the stock.

12                   So in my professional opinion, it would be, you

13      know, impossible for an investor to miss those warnings when

14      entering into transactions from that point forward.

15                   So I did my calculations based off of those key

16      dates.

17      Q.   Did you reach an opinion regarding a date that the fraud

18      relating to the DECN press releases was disclosed to the

19      market?

20      A.   Yeah.   So absolutely.     So the SEC suspension of trading

21      order is very explicit.      They say there's a potential for

22      fraud with a security, and we're suspending it as a

23      consequence.

24      Q.   What was the date of the SEC --

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 1      Q.   Okay.

 2      A.   If I might add, SEC trading suspensions are not common

 3      events.    In 2020, there were 176 trading suspensions issued

 4      by the SEC.    In 2023, there were only two, if my records are

 5      correct.

 6                   So they are notable events in the market.

 7      Q.   Once again, kind of going back to when you were the

 8      chief compliance officer, what was your understanding in

 9      that role of why the SEC would suspend trading of a company?

10      A.   Again, they have a very strong and important role to

11      protect market integrity.       Right?   I very much respect the

12      mission of -- basically, customer protection and market

13      integrity are their two main goals and regulatory purposes.

14                   So whenever they detect potential fraud on the

15      market, aberrant trading that could be problematic for

16      investors, they have an absolute duty to suspend trading.

17      And they did so in this case.

18      Q.   In addition to April 23rd, 2020, could there be other

19      events and dates that indicate that the fraud was disclosed

20      to the market?

21      A.   Sure.    Again, I feel very strongly that the SEC trading

22      suspension was the date in my mind in terms of when issues

23      with DECN were disclosed to the market.

24                   But there was another release on May 20th by the

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 1      this demonstrative.        That was from my perspective another

 2      very clear date.

 3                    MR. HOWELL:    Can we pull up DX 004.

 4      BY MR. HOWELL:

 5      Q.   Is this the Perkins declaration you just mentioned?

 6      A.   It is.

 7      Q.   Have you seen this document before?

 8      A.   I have.

 9      Q.   And is this a fair and accurate copy of the document?

10      A.   It is.

11                    MR. HOWELL:    Your Honor, we'd move to admit DX 004

12      into evidence.

13                    MR. FENTON:    No objection.

14                    THE COURT:    Without objection, 4 is in.

15                    (Whereupon, Defendant's Exhibit No. 004 was

16      entered into evidence.)

17                    THE COURT:    Did you say that you think the fraud

18      ended on April 23rd?

19                    THE WITNESS:    I think it was disclosed to the

20      market, the potential for fraud and -- with the trading

21      suspension on April 23rd.

22                    It's clear from my review of the record that press

23      releases continued for some time after that.          But again, the

24      importance in my world of dealing with traders who are

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 1      very clearly being there and how that causes broker-dealers

 2      to change their policies and procedures and processes in

 3      terms of affirmatively warning anyone from that period

 4      afterwards that there was an issue with this security.

 5                  THE COURT:    But yet you agree that wasn't the

 6      completion of the fraud, that it continued for months

 7      afterwards.    Right?

 8                  THE WITNESS:    I saw press releases that went all

 9      into July of 2020.      So, you know, I wasn't here for that

10      part of it.    But in terms of just as -- looking at it, I

11      could easily see how the Court would extend the period to

12      that.

13                  I look at it more from a practical industry

14      perspective of, when did I think any potential investor

15      would be warned adequately about the dangers of the

16      security?    And that's very clearly the April 23rd period and

17      forward.

18                  THE COURT:    So I guess I'm wondering how you

19      explain what happened since then.

20                  THE WITNESS:    Oh, the continued trading?

21                  THE COURT:    Yes.

22                  THE WITNESS:    Well, investors and speculators are

23      irrational, would be my shorthand for you.         You know, I'm

24      sure you follow the press well enough to have seen the

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 1                  THE COURT:    I have a case involving that.

 2                  THE WITNESS:    Excellent.    I've had several myself.

 3                  The trading in cryptocurrencies.       You could pick a

 4      lot of trading where people seem to do irrational things.

 5                  And again, my lived experience in that period of

 6      time is that people were looking for potential opportunities

 7      to profit off of the onset of the COVID pandemic.          And

 8      traders don't necessarily all do, you know, the deep and

 9      thoughtful kind of analysis that Professor Mitts might do.

10      My experience with traders and speculators in this section

11      of the market is they might look at a stock chart and

12      nothing else and make a decision.

13                  THE COURT:    You may continue, Mr. Howell.

14      BY MR. HOWELL:

15      Q.   I want to clarify a piece of your testimony you just

16      talked about.

17                  You said in addition to May 20th, 2020, July 20th,

18      2020, could also have been another date the fraud was

19      disclosed to the market.       Am I correct?

20      A.   Correct.

21      Q.   Can you explain that date?

22      A.   That was the date when -- that was the date when we --

23      there was absolutely -- with the Wayback Machine, we

24      discovered that there was absolutely without a doubt -- the

25      caveat emptor was appended to the stock.



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 1                   But again, that -- I know from my professional

 2      experience and how OTC Markets worked and how broker-dealers

 3      worked that that would have been there from the resumption

 4      of trading on May 8th going forward.         I like hard evidence

 5      and fact-based documents.       So that's the oldest one I could

 6      find in that regard.

 7                   MR. HOWELL:    If we could put the demonstrative

 8      back up so we have all the dates in front of us.

 9                   Thank you.

10      BY MR. HOWELL:

11      Q.   So using the disclosure date of April 23rd, 2020, and

12      using the model that's in the sentencing guidelines, did you

13      determine a loss amount?

14      A.   I did the calculations.        But they came out with actually

15      a gain as opposed to a loss.

16      Q.   How did you come up with your calculated amount?

17      A.   Sure.   I mean, the note is very straightforward.           It's

18      the average price of the period before -- so again, I used

19      the April 23rd date.       So March 3rd, 2020, the first press

20      release date, to April 23rd, the SEC's trading suspension.

21      And then I did the 90 days of trading from the resumption of

22      trading onwards.

23      Q.   Same thing --

24                   THE COURT:    Sorry.    This demonstrative says the

25      fraud period ends July 10th.        Right?



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 1                  THE WITNESS:    Yes.

 2                  THE COURT:    So I guess I'm confused about -- I

 3      mean, you're the expert.       When do you think the fraud period

 4      ends?

 5                  THE WITNESS:    Well, July 10 is my understanding of

 6      the record, is the last press release.         Right?

 7                  So in terms of again -- I look at this from a --

 8      when was the potential for fraud disclosed to the market

 9      very clearly?     And that's the April 23rd date.

10                  THE COURT:    And you're --

11                  THE WITNESS:    So they're a little bit at odds with

12      each other.    I understand that.      And that's why you're here.

13                  THE COURT:    You may proceed.

14      BY MR. HOWELL:

15      Q.   You mentioned May 20th, 2020, as being another date of

16      disclosure.    If the fraud was disclosed on May 20th, 2020,

17      does that change your opinion of the loss amount?

18      A.   It changes the math a little bit, but it still winds up

19      being -- when you do the math required by the note, it winds

20      up being -- also not being a loss.        The average price in the

21      subsequent 90-day period is higher than the initial period.

22      Q.   If the fraud was disclosed on July 20th, 2020, does that

23      change your analysis with the loss amount?

24      A.   Again, it changes the math a little bit.           But it doesn't

25      change the fact that the subsequent period was higher.           And



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 1      therefore, under the -- how the note is calculated that

 2      demands its calculation, it would not be a loss.

 3                   MR. HOWELL:   Could I have your Court's indulgence?

 4                   THE COURT:    Yes.

 5                   MR. HOWELL:   Thank you, your Honor.

 6      BY MR. HOWELL:

 7      Q.   I have a couple more questions.

 8                   This is going to deal with outstanding shares,

 9      conversions, preferred stock conversions.

10      A.   Uh-huh.

11      Q.   So saying there are newly issued common shares doesn't

12      tell you whether the shares were issued as a result of a

13      preferred shareholder converting its existing preferred

14      shares into common stock that is issued by the company.          Is

15      that correct?

16      A.   You're going to have to restate that question.          Sorry.

17      Q.   Let's break it down.

18                   So just saying that there are newly issued common

19      stock shares, it doesn't tell you whether the shares were

20      issued as a result of preferred shareholders converting

21      existing preferred shares into common stock that was then

22      issued by the company.      Is that correct?

23      A.   Yeah.   If you're looking at outstanding shares at a

24      period of time, you don't know whether they were initially

25      issued in an initial public offering or converted in a



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 1      subsequent conversion from a preferred stock.          You just know

 2      how many shares are outstanding at any point in time what

 3      you're looking at.

 4      Q.   Did you -- you talked about the information you

 5      reviewed.     Did you review DECN's public filings?

 6      A.   I did.

 7      Q.   Did you ever review any of DECN's quarterly public

 8      reports which contain stock and notes tables that would have

 9      told you that the new shares of common stock were actually

10      the result of preferred shareholders converting existing

11      preferred shares into new shares of common stock?

12      A.   Quarterly reports and annual reports typically will

13      recap those kind of conversions.        Yes.

14                    One other -- based on your Honor's question, on

15      Page 2 of my report, I did calculate the average price for

16      the fraud period as April -- excuse me -- March 3rd, 2020,

17      to July 10th, 2020, when doing my calculations.          And then

18      the subsequent periods were as we discussed earlier.

19                    MR. HOWELL:    I think it's in DX 042, if we could

20      have that, please.

21                    THE WITNESS:   Page 2.

22                    That table there.   So the average price for the

23      period of the fraud period, April 3rd, 2020, to July 10th,

24      2020, was 17 cents a share.

25                    And then for the 90-day calculations, I used the



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 1      three different dates that we discussed:         post-trading

 2      suspension from May 8th, post-Perkins affidavit from May

 3      20th, and post -- the evidence I could give you for caveat

 4      emptor from July 20th.      So you have all those numbers there

 5      available to you.

 6                    MR. HOWELL:   Your indulgence.

 7      BY MR. HOWELL:

 8      Q.    Regarding the loss amounts, can you just state your

 9      conclusions again?

10      A.    Sure.    That, you know, the note says:     Take the two

11      periods.      Calculate the difference and multiply by

12      outstanding shares.

13                    As you can see from my report, I did not multiply

14      by outstanding shares to show a theoretical profit

15      because -- but in all cases we could -- I could have done

16      so.

17      Q.    So what is your conclusion as to any loss for the

18      disclosure of April 23rd, 2020?

19      A.    You're going to have to repeat that.

20      Q.    Will you state your conclusion regarding your -- the

21      opinion of if there was a loss amount if the fraud was

22      disclosed to the market on April 23rd, 2020?

23      A.    There was no loss to the market.

24      Q.    Can you state your opinion if the loss amount -- or the

25      fraud was disclosed to the market May 20th, 2020?



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 1      A.   As you can see from the math, there is no loss using

 2      those dates.

 3                  The same answer for July 20th, 2020.

 4                  MR. HOWELL:    I have no further questions, your

 5      Honor.

 6                  THE COURT:    Thanks.

 7                  Why don't we take a quick lunch break.        I think

 8      we'll recess until 2:00, but we've got a short status

 9      conference.    I think we'll interrupt this and do that and

10      then resume this and we'll push back the sentencing.             And so

11      if you can plan to be back by about 2:05 or so.

12                  Thank you.

13                  (Thereupon, a luncheon recess was taken, after

14      which the following proceedings were had:)

15                  THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:      Your Honor, we're back on

16      the record in Criminal Case 20-278, the United States of

17      America versus Keith Berman.

18                  THE COURT:    We'll have cross-examination.

19                  Mr. Reilly, I'll remind you you're still under

20      oath.

21                  THE WITNESS:    Yes, sir.

22                  THE COURT:    Mr. Fenton.

23                  MR. FENTON:    Thank you, your Honor.

24                                CROSS-EXAMINATION

25



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 1      BY MR. FENTON:

 2      Q.   Good afternoon, Mr. Reilly.

 3      A.   Good afternoon.

 4      Q.   You agree the fraud period in this case occurred from

 5      March 3rd, 2020, to July 10, 2020.        Correct?

 6      A.   I do.

 7      Q.   Okay.    Now, you applied the modified rescissory method.

 8      Is that right?

 9      A.   Correct.

10      Q.   It's the same method that Professor Mitts applied?

11      A.   That's correct.

12      Q.   The major disagreement between you two is about the date

13      on -- the date on which the truth was revealed to the

14      market.    Right?    About the Defendant's fraud?

15      A.   I would call it adequate disclosure to the market as

16      opposed to truth.      But yes.

17      Q.   Okay.    But it's the date that the truth was revealed.

18      Right?

19      A.   The date that the potential for fraud was disclosed to

20      the market.     Yes.

21      Q.   Now, "the market" is another way of saying the

22      shareholders?

23      A.   No, it's not.     It's -- any potential investor would be

24      able to see that.

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 1      A.   It does.

 2      Q.   Okay.    And shareholders are the victims of the crime to

 3      which the Defendant pleaded guilty here.         Right?

 4      A.   Not necessarily.

 5      Q.   Mr. Reilly, you understand the Defendant pleaded guilty

 6      to securities fraud.      Correct?

 7      A.   I do.

 8      Q.   And the shareholders who were defrauded by the Defendant

 9      are the victims of that crime.       Right?

10      A.   If they lost money.

11      Q.   Okay.

12      A.   There would be investors in this case who made money.

13      Q.   Mr. Reilly, you understand that loss is not an element

14      of the crime of securities fraud.        Correct?

15      A.   I'm sorry.    In my area of practice, I just try to be

16      specific about these kind of matters.

17      Q.   Right.   I'm being specific about this particular matter.

18      A.   Okay.

19      Q.   Securities fraud, Section 10b:       Loss is not an element

20      of that crime.     Right?

21      A.   Correct.

22      Q.   Okay.    So the shareholders are the victims of the crime

23      to which the Defendant pleaded guilty in this case.              Right?

24      A.   Correct.

25      Q.   Okay.    So the question is:     When did the victims learn



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 1      the truth about the Defendant's fraud?         Right?

 2      A.   I don't know that -- that would vary by individual.

 3      Q.   Sir, the question you're trying to answer is:          When did

 4      the victims learn the truth about the Defendant's fraud?

 5      Right?

 6      A.   Well --

 7                  MR. HOWELL:    Objection, your Honor.

 8                  THE COURT:    On what basis?

 9                  MR. HOWELL:    Speculation.

10                  THE COURT:    Overruled.

11      BY MR. FENTON:

12      Q.   It's a yes-or-no question, Mr. Reilly.

13      A.   From my professional experience, it is not a yes-or-no

14      question.    The reason being is that you don't know when any

15      particular holder of the security is going to be looking at

16      the news or -- and what import they take from what the

17      different type of disclosures that are made.

18                  So you keep on using the word "truth."        I have to

19      use a more -- from my perspective, when was issues with the

20      security adequately disclosed to the market?

21                  I don't know -- it's impossible to know without

22      interviewing each individual holder of the security when

23      they knew the truth.

24      Q.   Is it your testimony that it's impossible to know when

25      the truth was revealed to the market?



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 1      A.   Yes.    I mean, that -- it's just -- you know, the idea

 2      that when the final -- when the indictment was -- for

 3      Mr. Berman was done later in the year, that's a date.

 4                   But the SEC trading suspension is a very

 5      significant disclosure to the market and when you're trading

 6      in a security that's traded on the OTC Markets.

 7      Q.   Let's talk about that date.

 8                   So the first date that you put forward -- you put

 9      forward three dates -- right? -- when you believe the truth

10      was revealed?

11      A.   When adequate disclosure was made to the market.            I

12      cannot use your word "truth."

13      Q.   Not adequate disclosure by the Defendant, though.

14      Right?

15      A.   I haven't seen anything about -- in terms of the

16      Defendant.    But clearly, the SEC initiated its trading

17      suspension on April 23rd.

18      Q.   Okay.   So that's the day that the SEC suspended trading

19      of DECN stock.     Right?

20      A.   Correct.

21      Q.   And the SEC suspended trading based on questions

22      regarding the accuracy and the adequacy of information in

23      the marketplace?

24      A.   Correct.

25      Q.   The questions were specifically about certain DECN press



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 1      releases issued in March and April 2020?

 2      A.   That sounds correct.      Yes.

 3      Q.   Now, on March 7, 2020, the Defendant filed a petition to

 4      terminate the trading suspension.        Correct?

 5      A.   I don't remember that.

 6      Q.   Earlier, you testified that you reviewed the SEC's

 7      website with respect to -- for information relating to the

 8      DECN trading suspension.       Is that correct?

 9      A.   That's correct.

10      Q.   And so if they had filed a petition to terminate that

11      trading suspension, presumably you would have seen that.

12      Right?

13      A.   Yeah.   I do recall seeing a petition.         First of all, I

14      know it wasn't granted.      And I don't recall the date, to be

15      more precise.

16      Q.   It's a yes-or-no question.       Yes, they filed a petition

17      to terminate the trading suspension?

18      A.   Yes.

19                   MR. FENTON:   Ms. Boyer, can you please pull up

20      Government's Exhibit 3-O.

21      BY MR. FENTON:

22      Q.   Is this the petition the Defendant filed?

23      A.   It appears that it could be.       Could you scroll through

24      the entire 15 pages just so I can refresh myself?

25      Q.   Yes.



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 1      A.     You can go pretty quick.        You can keep going.   I

 2      think -- I'm looking for the date at the end, quite

 3      honestly.       Probably on the last page.     Filed November 22nd,

 4      2021.

 5                      MR. REILLY:    Ms. Boyer, can you go back two pages

 6      to the date of the filing?

 7                      THE WITNESS:   Okay.    Filed and certified.     That --

 8      okay.    What I'm looking for is when this was released to the

 9      public, if you can find that easily.

10      BY MR. FENTON:

11      Q.     So it says here, Certificate of Service:        I hereby

12      certify that a true and correct copy of the foregoing was

13      filed on May 7, 2020, by electronic delivery at

14      apfilings@sec.gov.

15      A.     Uh-huh.

16                      THE COURT REPORTER:     Is that yes?

17                      THE WITNESS:   Yes.

18      BY MR. FENTON:

19      Q.     So this is the date on which the Defendant filed a

20      petition to terminate the trading suspension.          Correct?

21      A.     It is.    I don't know if that's when it was publicly

22      available, however.

23      Q.     My question is:    This is the date on which it was filed,

24      sir?

25      A.     Well --



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 1      Q.   The answer is...?

 2      A.   Yes.

 3                    MR. FENTON:   Let's go to --

 4                    MR. HOWELL:   Objection, your Honor.     Relevance.

 5                    THE COURT:    Overruled.

 6                    MR. FENTON:   Let's go to, Ms. Boyer, Page 12,

 7      please.

 8      BY MR. FENTON:

 9      Q.   This is Petitioner Keith M. Berman's sworn statement.

10      Is that right?

11      A.   That's what it says.      Yes.

12      Q.   It says:    I, Keith M. Berman, chief executive officer of

13      Decision Diagnostics Corp., being duly sworn, state that I

14      have read the foregoing petition for termination of

15      suspension of trading in the securities of Decision

16      Diagnostics Corp. and have personal knowledge of the facts

17      contained therein and that such facts are true and correct

18      to the best of my knowledge.

19                    Is that an accurate reading?

20      A.   It is.

21      Q.   And the Defendant, Mr. Berman, signed it here.          Correct?

22      A.   It appears he signed it on May 6th, 2020.

23      Q.   It's the Defendant's sworn statement?

24      A.   Correct.

25      Q.   This is a publicly available document, right, on the SEC



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 1      website?

 2      A.   Eventually.    I don't think this was publicly available

 3      on May --

 4      Q.   Sir, it's a yes-or-no question.

 5      A.   It was --

 6      Q.   Was this a publicly available document?

 7      A.   I don't believe this was publicly available on May 6th,

 8      2020, based on --

 9      Q.   My question, sir, is:      Was this a publicly available

10      document?

11      A.   The earliest I saw in my review of the record was that

12      it was not available until 2021, when the entire file was

13      published.

14      Q.   Mr. Reilly, you reviewed the SEC's website for documents

15      relating to the DECN trading suspension.         Correct?

16      A.   Correct.

17      Q.   As a member of the public, did you find this document?

18      A.   When it was contained in a filing that was published in

19      2021, yes.

20      Q.   And you also reviewed otcmarkets.com.        Correct?

21      A.   Correct.

22      Q.   And are you aware that the Defendant published this on

23      OTC Markets in May 2020?

24      A.   I did not see any record of that.

25      Q.   But you looked at the website?



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 1      A.   I did.

 2      Q.   Okay.    Let's look at the specific -- some of the

 3      specific paragraphs.      Let's look at Page 9, Paragraph 31.

 4                    It says here:   The suspension order is not

 5      necessary and not in the public interest because, A, DECN

 6      has not acted in a fraudulent, deceitful or manipulative

 7      manner.

 8                    Do you see that, sir?

 9      A.   I do.

10      Q.   That is the Defendant denying that he engaged in fraud.

11      Correct?

12      A.   It's what it says, yes.

13      Q.   B:    As previously stated, each DECN press release was

14      based upon facts that were true at the time the statements

15      were made.

16                    That's an accurate reading.     Right?

17      A.   Correct.

18      Q.   Okay.    And so the Defendant again is denying that the

19      press releases that he issued were false or misleading.

20      Correct?

21      A.   Correct.

22      Q.   And in this document, the Defendant specifically

23      addresses each and every press release from March 2020.

24      Right?

25      A.   I will take that assertion from you.



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 1      Q.   Well, let's take a look.      There's no need to take it

 2      from me.

 3                    MR. HOWELL:   Objection, your Honor.     Beyond the

 4      scope of direct.

 5                    THE COURT:    Overruled.

 6                    MR. HOWELL:   And I'd renew my relevance objection.

 7                    THE COURT:    Understood.    I'm overruling.

 8                    You may continue, Mr. Fenton.

 9                    MR. FENTON:   Can we go to Paragraph 16, please.

10      BY MR. FENTON:

11      Q.   It says here on March 3rd, 2020, DECN issued a press

12      release, a March 3rd press release, prominently quoting

13      Mr. Berman stating, quote, "I want to straight up -- I want

14      to say straight up we have developed a coronavirus screening

15      method, not a cure or a vaccine for this virus.

16                    "This press release did not contain any false or

17      misleading statements or omit to state any facts necessary

18      in order to make the statements made not misleading."

19                    Is that an accurate reading?

20      A.   It is.

21      Q.   This is another example of where the Defendant is

22      denying that he engaged in any sort of fraud.          Correct?

23      A.   Correct.

24      Q.   And it's another example of where he said he in fact

25      developed a COVID-19 blood test.          Right?



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 1      A.   I don't see a blood test in here, but it's a test.

 2      Q.   Right.

 3                    MR. FENTON:   Let's look at Paragraph 17, please.

 4      BY MR. FENTON:

 5      Q.   It says here:    On March 4, 2020, DECN issued a press

 6      release.    In this press release, Mr. Berman stated:            I

 7      cannot say often enough we are developing a coronavirus

 8      screening method.     This press release did not contain any

 9      false or misleading statements or omit to state any facts

10      necessary in order to make the statements made not

11      misleading.

12                    Is that right?

13      A.   That's an accurate reading.       Yes.

14      Q.   This is another denial, right, of any wrongdoing on

15      Mr. Berman's part?

16      A.   Correct.

17      Q.   Paragraph 18 here talks about the March 11, 2020, press

18      release.    Right?

19      A.   It does.

20      Q.   There's another denial of any wrongdoing.         Correct?

21      A.   There is.

22      Q.   Paragraph 19 talks about the March 16, 2020, press

23      release; is that right?

24      A.   It does.

25      Q.   It says this press release -- there's another denial



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 1      here:    This press did not contain any false or misleading

 2      statements.     Correct?

 3      A.   It does.

 4      Q.   The same with Paragraph 20?

 5                    THE COURT:   I get it, Mr. Fenton.

 6      BY MR. FENTON:

 7      Q.   So there are eight such instances here, right?          All of

 8      the press releases in March 2020?

 9      A.   Correct.

10      Q.   That gave rise to the trading suspension?

11      A.   From what I've read in the SEC order, yes.

12      Q.   And Mr. Berman went and publicly said there are no false

13      or misleading statements in any of those press releases.

14      A.   I don't know that this was a public document.          This is a

15      document filed with the SEC in trying to get the trading

16      suspension reversed.

17      Q.   Right.    And posted by Mr. Berman on otcmarkets.com,

18      which you reviewed, sir.       Correct?

19      A.   I didn't see evidence of those postings.

20      Q.   Let's move on to the second date that you chose, May

21      20th, 2020.

22      A.   Uh-huh.

23      Q.   That's the date when the SEC filed a brief showing the

24      information on which the trading suspension was based.

25      Right?



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 1      A.   Correct.

 2      Q.   That was prepared by SEC staff member Carl Perkins.          Is

 3      that right?

 4      A.   I believe it's Carlton Perkins.       Yes.

 5      Q.   I think it's Carlisle.

 6      A.   Carlisle.    Sorry.   I know there was --

 7      Q.   I think they call him Carl.

 8      A.   Thank you.

 9      Q.   Now, in response to the Defendant's petition -- this was

10      filed in response to the Defendant's petition to terminate

11      the trading suspension.      Right?

12      A.   I'm not certain about that.

13      Q.   Well, let's look at Defense Exhibit 2 --

14      A.   Cool.

15      Q.   -- or Defense Exhibit 3.         I'm sorry.   This is an order

16      requesting additional written submissions.         Correct?

17      A.   It is.    That's what it says.

18      Q.   And it says at the bottom here:       On May 7th, 2020, DECN

19      filed a petition to terminate the trading suspension?

20      A.   I see that.

21      Q.   Let's turn to the next page.

22                    The SEC ordered a briefing schedule.      Right?

23      A.   Correct.

24      Q.   And Mr. Berman chose to publicly dispute the nature of

25      the allegations underlying the trading suspension.           Correct?



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 1      A.     I don't recall that, but I accept the assertion.

 2      Q.     Well, it's right here.      He filed a petition on May 7th

 3      and he's appealing the trading suspension, is he not?

 4      A.     Oh, he absolutely did appeal the trading suspension.

 5      Yes.

 6      Q.     Right.    Okay.

 7                      So the May 20th, 2020, submission is in response

 8      to Mr. Berman's appeal, right, of the trading suspension?

 9      A.     It's part of the SEC process for that.         Yes.

10      Q.     Right.    Okay.

11                      So let's look at -- and the Defendant had an

12      opportunity to respond to that May 20, 2020, filing.

13      Correct?

14      A.     As did others.    Yes.

15      Q.     And, in fact, he did.      Right?

16      A.     (No response.)

17      Q.     I'm going to --

18                      THE COURT REPORTER:   I'm sorry.      I didn't get a

19      response.

20                      THE WITNESS:    "And he did."

21                      THE COURT REPORTER:   I mean the answer.

22                      THE WITNESS:    Oh, "yes."   Sorry.

23      BY MR. FENTON:

24      Q.     I'm going to show you what's been marked Government's

25      Exhibit 100, please.       This is the Petitioner's opening brief



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 1       in support of the petition to terminate the trading

 2       suspension.     Correct?

 3       A.   That's what it states.         Yes.

 4       Q.   Let's turn to Page 6.

 5                     MR. FENTON:    We have hard copies of this exhibit

 6       that we can hand out or that I can put on the ELMO.

 7                     THE COURT:    Okay.

 8                     MR. COLLINS:   Judge, I just want to make a

 9       standing objection to this line of questioning.          It's

10       irrelevant and beyond the scope.           It's frankly a waste of

11       time.

12                     THE COURT:    I don't see that.     I thought the main

13       question here is:     What is the appropriate time of the --

14       when was the fraud exposed?         And I think this does go

15       directly to that.

16                     So I'm overruling the objection.

17       BY MR. FENTON:

18       Q.   Can you see the date here, Mr. Reilly?

19       A.   I can.    Do you have a physical copy?        This is -- I'd

20       like to flip through it.

21       Q.   (Tenders document to the witness.)

22       A.   Thank you.

23       Q.   My question, Mr. Reilly, was:          What is the date of this

24       filing?

25       A.   The date this was filed?        It appears to be June 17th,



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 1       2020.

 2       Q.     And that's after the May 20th, 2020, submission by the

 3       SEC?

 4       A.     Correct.

 5       Q.     In fact, this is in response to the May 20, 2020,

 6       submission.       Correct?

 7       A.     Correct.

 8       Q.     Let's turn to Page 2.       Do you see here at the bottom it

 9       says:    Factors upholding a trading suspension are not

10       present?       Is that accurate?

11       A.     It is.

12       Q.     And at the bottom it says:       From the time DECN publicly

13       announced that its existing glucose technology used by

14       diabetics had the potential to be utilized to test for the

15       COVID-19 virus, the date of the trading suspension, the

16       company issued no less than 12 detailed releases concerning

17       its proposed COVID-19 GenViro! test kits and the emergency

18       use applications being sought from the Food and Drug

19       Administration.

20                       No corrective disclosures were required or made

21       after the trading suspension, and there has been no showing

22       of any demonstrable falsity.

23                       Do you see that, sir?

24       A.     I do.

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 1       about inventing a COVID-19 test.       Correct?

 2       A.   Correct.

 3       Q.   This is in fact another denial?

 4       A.   Correct.

 5       Q.   There's an affidavit attached here from Mr. Berman as

 6       well.   Correct?

 7       A.   I believe I saw that in here.

 8       Q.   It's the affidavit of Keith M. Berman in support of the

 9       petition to terminate the trading suspension.

10                    Do you see that, sir?

11       A.   I do.

12       Q.   Let's look at Paragraph 2 of Mr. Berman's sworn

13       affidavit.

14                    Can you just read aloud for the Court what

15       Mr. Berman writes here?

16                    THE COURT:   I don't need you to read it.

17       BY MR. FENTON:

18       Q.   Mr. Reilly, this is another denial, right, of the

19       allegation that Mr. Berman did anything wrong.         Right?

20       A.   Yes.

21       Q.   Okay.   And in fact, here, he blames the SEC for engaging

22       in a twisted and misleading investigation, right, and

23       colluding with cybercriminals.       Right?

24       A.   I see those words.     Yes.

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 1                     Now, you're aware that the Defendant pleaded

 2       guilty to obstructing the SEC's investigation of his

 3       fraudulent scheme.     Correct?

 4       A.   I'm actually not cognizant of his plea agreement.           I

 5       haven't reviewed that.

 6       Q.   Right.    So my question was:    Are you aware that the

 7       Defendant pleaded guilty to obstructing the SEC's

 8       investigation into his fraudulent scheme?

 9       A.   No.

10       Q.   Is that a fact that you would want to know when opining

11       on whether or not the truth was revealed to the market and

12       when?

13       A.   No.   As I stated very clearly, I hope, in my testimony,

14       the appending of the caveat emptor designation when trading

15       resumed on May 8th, 2020, constitutes adequate disclosure to

16       the market in my professional opinion.

17       Q.   Right.    And my question is this:     If the Government was

18       trying to investigate whether or not Mr. Berman had

19       committed a crime, would you want to know whether or not he

20       obstructed the investigation of that crime?

21       A.   When choosing to invest in or not invest in DECN, that

22       would probably, like, be not particularly material to me.

23       Q.   It wouldn't be material to you?

24       A.   If a trading suspension, which is not a typical step

25       that the SEC takes, in a penny stock is issued and the



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 1       caveat emptor warning is appended to that stock for all the

 2       world to see, I view that as adequate disclosure that this

 3       is a dangerous instrument to be involved in.

 4       Q.   Right.    Mr. Reilly, my question is:     Is that relevant to

 5       you, that he continued to engage in fraud?

 6       A.   For my purposes, no.

 7       Q.   It doesn't matter to you that after July 2020 the

 8       Defendant --

 9                     MR. HOWELL:   Objection.   Asked and answered.

10       BY MR. FENTON:

11       Q.   -- the Defendant continued to engage in fraud?

12                     THE COURT:    Sustained.

13       BY MR. FENTON:

14       Q.   Are you aware that Mr. Berman convinced some of his

15       victims to in fact disbelieve the SEC?

16       A.   I am not.

17       Q.   And that he convinced some of his victims to in fact

18       attack the SEC?

19       A.   I am not.

20       Q.   I'd like to show you Government's Exhibit 102.         This is

21       the Defendant's statement in support of the guilty plea.

22                     Do you see that, sir?

23       A.   I do.

24                     MR. FENTON:   And let's go to Page 2.     Move on to

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 1       BY MR. FENTON:

 2       Q.   It says here:    Between May and June 2020, Mr. Berman,

 3       using an alias, sent private messages to an investor on the

 4       website Investors Hangout to influence the investor to draft

 5       an independent shareholder letter accusing the SEC of

 6       misconduct for its actions against DECN and Mr. Berman.

 7                     Is that -- that fact is relevant to your analysis.

 8       Right?

 9       A.   It's an individual.     Again, I look at this as -- we're

10       talking about fraud on the market.

11       Q.   Right.

12       A.   Right?    So disclosure to the market is relevant.

13                     Could there be individuals that are being coerced

14       or otherwise influenced?      Of course there could be.

15                     But my mandate is to look at what were the

16       policies, processes and procedures after a trade suspension

17       in an OTC stock, and do those constitute adequate notice to

18       the market?     Because remember, the sentencing guideline

19       requires you to calculate the price against all outstanding

20       shares.

21                     You could certainly calculate the individual

22       damages for this person included in your sentencing.             The

23       Court could include that.      But that's not dispositive of the

24       market as a whole.

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 1       dozens of victims to disbelieve the SEC and attack them?

 2       A.   How many investors?     How many shares did they hold?      You

 3       could calculate those specifically.

 4       Q.   Dozens of investors.

 5       A.   Okay.   The Government --

 6       Q.   Would that be relevant?

 7       A.   -- could have easily calculated those specific damages

 8       and included them in any charging documents it so chose,

 9       that specific information.

10                    I could calculate the damage to the market if the

11       SEC gave me access to all the Blue Sheets for all the days

12       in the period involved to a great degree of specificity.

13       Q.   So, Mr. Reilly, is your answer no?

14       A.   My answer was my answer.

15       Q.   Mr. Reilly, is it relevant to your analysis if the

16       Defendant convinced dozens of victims to disbelieve the SEC?

17       A.   No.

18       Q.   It's not relevant?

19       A.   No.

20       Q.   Is it relevant if the Defendant publicly posted a

21       shareholder letter attacking the SEC?

22       A.   No.

23                    MR. HOWELL:   Objection.    Asked and answered.

24                    THE COURT:    I'm actually not sure that that was.

25                    Overruled.



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 1                     THE WITNESS:   Could you restate -- repeat the

 2       question?     Sorry.

 3       BY MR. FENTON:

 4       Q.   Sure.

 5                     Would it be relevant to your analysis that the

 6       Defendant publicly published the SEC shareholder letter, the

 7       fake SEC shareholder letter, that he describes here?

 8       A.   That he published it?       No.   I don't know how many people

 9       relied on that.       Again, I'm doing a market-wide analysis

10       here against the processes that I know as a professional

11       exist for entering transactions in this type of security

12       with this kind of warning attached to it.

13       Q.   What if it was published in otcmarkets.com?

14       A.   It doesn't change my answer.

15       Q.   Okay.    Let's look at Government's Exhibit 3-M.       Are you

16       familiar with this document, sir?

17       A.   I don't remember seeing -- not particularly.         I may have

18       seen it.     But...

19       Q.   So no?

20       A.   No.    I don't recall it.    I may have seen it in my

21       review.

22       Q.   At the bottom it says:      Decision Diagnostics Corp.,

23       shareholder letter, dated June 2nd, 2020.

24                     Do you see that?

25       A.   I do.



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 1       Q.   This is a letter to Jay Clayton, the SEC chairman.

 2                    Do you see that?

 3       A.   I do.

 4       Q.   And do you see it says at the top:       We represent a

 5       number of concerned shareholders of Decision Diagnostics

 6       Corp. and are writing today in response to the following

 7       items.      And it lists three different things.      Right?

 8       A.   I see that.    Yes.

 9       Q.   The April 23rd, 2020, trading suspension.        Right?

10       A.   Correct.

11       Q.   The actions associated with the potential theft of

12       company property and its use against Decision Diagnostics in

13       early 2020, and then the administrative proceeding filed

14       before the Commission on the trading suspension dated May

15       20, 2020.

16       A.   I see all that.    Yes.

17       Q.   This directly relates to the two events that you claim

18       provided adequate notice.       Right?

19       A.   Well, again, they list the -- two of the -- those

20       events.     Yes.

21       Q.   Well, both of them.

22       A.   Yes.

23       Q.   There's three.    So this addresses two of the three?

24       A.   Correct.

25       Q.   Okay.    And let's look at what they say in the



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 1       shareholder letter about this:       In the section below, we

 2       outline what we believe to be numerous inconsistencies

 3       between the two documents filed by the SEC that was dated

 4       April 23rd and May 20, 2020, as well as many other issues

 5       with the investigators' purported findings and how they used

 6       these findings to institute enforcement actions against the

 7       company.

 8       A.   I see that.

 9       Q.   Right?

10                     These are denials, right, that the SEC got it

11       right?

12       A.   It questions them.     Yes.

13       Q.   This is an attack on the SEC.      Right?

14       A.   If you want to characterize it that way, sure.

15       Q.   Well, I'm asking you.

16       A.   It's questioning their actions.       Absolutely.

17       Q.   Okay.    And this is the letter to which Mr. Berman

18       pleaded guilty for using to obstruct the SEC investigation.

19       Right?

20       A.   I would have to accept that assertion.        I don't

21       know what -- on what basis he pled to that charge.

22       Q.   But you didn't even know that when you did your

23       analysis?

24       A.   Again, as a practitioner, when the caveat emptor

25       designation is appended to a stock that's been suspended by



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 1       the SEC, I view that as adequate -- more than adequate

 2       notice to the market that anyone who chooses to trade in

 3       that security does so at great danger.

 4       Q.   I understand, sir.

 5                   But what I'm asking you, sir, is:       When you did

 6       your analysis, you didn't know that Mr. Berman had pleaded

 7       guilty to obstructing the SEC investigation?

 8       A.   I knew he had taken a plea deal.

 9       Q.   But you didn't know that he had pled guilty to

10       obstructing the SEC investigation?

11       A.   Well, he wasn't particularly effective in obstructing

12       it, was he?    But yes.

13       Q.   Sir, it's a yes-or-no question.       Did you know this?

14       A.   I see this.    I may have read this in my review.       Again,

15       not relevant for my analysis.

16       Q.   And you didn't read the shareholder letter even though

17       it was on OTC Markets.      Right?

18       A.   I read this shareholder letter at some point in my

19       review.

20       Q.   And you didn't read the petition appealing the trading

21       suspension?

22       A.   Excuse me.    Could you repeat that?

23       Q.   You did not read the petition appealing the trading

24       suspension?

25       A.   I skimmed through it when I was doing my review.



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 1       Q.   And you didn't read the opening brief challenging the

 2       trade suspension?

 3       A.   I reviewed that.    Yes, I did.    Again, as a practitioner,

 4       those points are not relevant to how the potential for fraud

 5       and danger and risk are disclosed to the market.          That is as

 6       I described in my previous testimony.

 7       Q.   And that's because it all comes down to the skull and

 8       bones, the caveat emptor.      Right?   The skull and bones

 9       symbol?   That's it for you?

10       A.   I would say that a reasonable investor, faced with the

11       kind of warnings you'd get at TD Ameritrade or Schwab or

12       Fidelity or E*TRADE, when you are given the absolute

13       inability to trade online which you're typically used to,

14       and have to call in and then you're read a script saying:

15       This has been suspended by the SEC; there's a lot of

16       potential risk in trading this security; do you still want

17       to enter this trade?     That is an adequate notice.

18       Q.   So let's talk about the caveat emptor symbol.

19                   So the third day that you choose -- that you claim

20       when the truth was revealed or there was this adequate

21       disclosure was July 20th, 2020.       Right?

22       A.   That was the earliest day I could find in terms of

23       absolutely closest to the trading suspension when it was

24       captured by the internet or kind of -- that does not mean in

25       my professional experience -- that was -- that that was when



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 1       it was disclosed.     I know it was disclosed on May 8th.        But

 2       I wanted evidentiary proof.

 3       Q.     And so, Mr. Reilly, my question is:      The third date that

 4       you claim that the truth was revealed was July 20th, 2020.

 5       Yes?

 6       A.     That's the third disclosure date that I chose.       Yes.

 7       Q.     That's based on the Wayback Machine?

 8       A.     Correct.

 9       Q.     That's the earliest date when you found that OTC Markets

10       had applied the caveat emptor and skull and bones?

11       A.     That I could prove it empirically, yes.

12       Q.     And that does not mean that July 20 is the actual date,

13       right, that --

14       A.     Correct.

15       Q.     -- they put that up?

16       A.     Correct.

17       Q.     That's just the first date that you found it?

18       A.     Correct.

19       Q.     Let's look at -- I believe it was Defense Exhibit 10.

20       Let's look at that caveat emptor symbol.

21                    So at the bottom here, it says:      The caveat emptor

22       designation may be assigned when OTC Markets becomes aware

23       of one or more of the following.       Right?

24       A.     Uh-huh.

25                    THE COURT REPORTER:    Is that yes?



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 1                    THE WITNESS:   Yes.

 2       BY MR. FENTON:

 3       Q.   And there's a list that follows.       Correct?

 4       A.   There is -- it follows under the next page.

 5       Q.   Let's look on to the next page.       So there's one bullet.

 6       There's four more here.      The third bullet is

 7       suspension/halt.     It says:   A regulatory authority or an

 8       exchange has halted or suspended trading for public interest

 9       concerns, i.e. not a news or earnings halt.         Correct?

10       A.   Correct.

11       Q.   Okay.   So if the SEC institutes a trading suspension,

12       this automatically gets put up under OTC Markets for that

13       particular stock, the stock that got suspend?

14       A.   Correct.

15       Q.   And if that were the case, this information would

16       already be known to the market by then.        Right?    Because it

17       would have been -- the SEC would have put out notice.            They

18       put out their notice on April 23rd.        Right?   So the market

19       knows about the trading suspension on April 23rd?

20       A.   Correct.

21       Q.   This information is merely confirmatory.        It's just

22       saying the same thing that the SEC has already said?

23       A.   In essence, yes.

24       Q.   Nothing in this document says that the caveat emptor

25       symbol was applied to DECN for any other reason than the



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 1       fact of the trading suspension.       Correct?

 2       A.     Correct.

 3       Q.     Okay.   For example, it does not say that the CEO of DECN

 4       was lying to his investors?

 5       A.     It doesn't have any particular detail like that.          No.

 6       Q.     It just is a generic description?

 7       A.     Generic in terms of buyer beware and a skull and

 8       crossbones, which was picked by OTC Markets to emphasize the

 9       "danger ahead" nature of trading in securities like that.

10       Yes.

11       Q.     But this same symbol is used regardless of what stock

12       it's applied to?

13       A.     Well, every symbol -- everyone -- every stock that

14       trades on OTC Markets that's appended with caveat emptor is

15       viewed as speculative.       You could lose all your money.

16       Because, remember, there's a second part to this process:

17       How is it applied at a broker-dealer?

18       Q.     But my question is:    This caveat emptor symbol and

19       explanation is the same for every stock to which it is

20       applied?

21       A.     That is correct.

22       Q.     It's generic?

23       A.     It is the same for all the stocks, Yes.

24       Q.     It's the same for all?

25       A.     That have caveat emptor.    Correct.



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 1       Q.   Let's look at Page 2 -- I'm sorry.       Let's look at the

 2       bottom here, the caveat emptor symbol.

 3                    So OTC Markets --

 4                    THE COURT:    Mr. Fenton, you've been going for

 5       about 40 minutes.      I'll give you five more minutes.

 6                    MR. FENTON:     Thank you, your Honor.

 7       BY MR. FENTON:

 8       Q.   OTC Markets does not say that the investor should not

 9       buy DECN stock.     Right?

10       A.   OTC Markets doesn't make any recommendations one way or

11       the other on any stock that's listed on its markets.

12       Q.   And it doesn't say that DECN stock is a fraud.          Right?

13       A.   It doesn't say anything particularly like that.         No.

14       Q.   Now, all it says here is that investors are encouraged

15       to use caution and due diligence in their investment

16       decisions.    Right?

17       A.   Correct.

18       Q.   One of the things that an investor could do if they were

19       exercising caution and due diligence in their investment

20       decisions would be to look at what the CEO of the company

21       says about the company and says about the stock.          Correct?

22       A.   That is one of the things they could do.         Yes.

23                    MR. FENTON:     Thank you.   No further questions.

24                    THE COURT:    Any redirect?

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 1       Court's indulgence for just 30 seconds?

 2                   THE COURT:    Yes.

 3                   (Discussion had off the record amongst counsel.)

 4                   MR. COLLINS:    Thank you, your Honor.

 5                   MR. HOWELL:    No redirect, your Honor.

 6                   THE COURT:    Thank you, Mr. Reilly.     You may step

 7       down.   You're free to go.

 8                   (Witness excused.)

 9                   THE COURT:    Putting aside the other witness issue,

10       anything further on loss?

11                   MR. COLLINS:    No further testimony.     I don't know

12       if the Court was inclined to hear any kind of summation

13       based on the testimony today or if the Court would accept

14       further briefing on this.

15                   THE COURT:    We'll figure that out later.      Thanks.

16                   Did you want to re-call Dr. Mitts?

17                   MR. REILLY:    Just briefly, your Honor.

18                   THE COURT:    Okay.

19                   MR. REILLY:    Thank you, your Honor.

20                   The Government re-calls Professor Joshua Mitts.

21                   THE COURT:    Professor, I'll remind you you're

22       still under oath.

23                   THE WITNESS:    Thank you.

24                   Mr. Reilly.

25                   MR. REILLY:    Thank you, your Honor.
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 1            (JOSHUA MITTS, GOVERNMENT WITNESS, PREVIOUSLY SWORN.)

 2                               REDIRECT EXAMINATION

 3       BY MR. REILLY:

 4       Q.   Professor Mitts, did you hear Mr. Reilly's testimony on

 5       caveat emptor?

 6       A.   I did, yes.

 7       Q.   Are you yourself familiar with that concept?

 8       A.   Yes.

 9       Q.   Are you familiar with the warnings that are attached

10       when a caveat emptor label is put on an OTC stock?

11       A.   Yes.

12       Q.   And does that label necessarily put investors on notice

13       that officers of a company are engaged in fraud?

14       A.   No.

15       Q.   Does the caveat emptor disclosure let the market know if

16       the executive of that company is engaged in obstruction in

17       an SEC investigation?

18       A.   No, it does not.

19       Q.   Professor Mitts, you're familiar that the application

20       note discussing the MRM requires not just the mathematical

21       analysis, but then an assessment as to whether the resulting

22       loss number is reasonable.      Right?

23       A.   That's correct.

24       Q.   And one of the factors the application note suggests

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 1       firm-specific facts, conditions and events.         Right?

 2       A.   That's correct.

 3       Q.   What do firm-specific facts, conditions and events mean

 4       to you?

 5                   MR. XENAKIS:    Objection, your Honor.      Beyond the

 6       witness's legal expertise as -- certified as an expert

 7       previously.

 8                   THE COURT:   Sustained.

 9       BY MR. REILLY:

10       Q.   Professor Mitts, in conducting your own analysis, did

11       you look at firm-specific facts, conditions and events?

12       A.   Generally, yes.

13       Q.   Is that an important step in determining the

14       reasonableness of a loss number?

15       A.   Yes.

16       Q.   Why?

17       A.   Because to assess whether it's plausible that a

18       particular date revealed the truth of the fraud to the

19       market, one would need to look at the totality of the

20       firm-specific information that was being released on that

21       date or during that time, because otherwise one could

22       mistakenly conclude that the inflation had dissipated from

23       the price when in fact there was some other firm-specific

24       activity that maintained that inflation on a given date.

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 1       reasonableness of loss amount without a close analysis of

 2       firm-specific events?

 3       A.   No.    One needs to consider the totality of the evidence

 4       and what happened to determine whether or not the loss

 5       amount was reasonable.

 6       Q.   And would the appeal of a trading suspension or

 7       obstruction of an SEC investigation constitute the types of

 8       events that could cause continued price inflation?

 9       A.   Yes.   Certainly.   As long as there was some disclosure

10       to the market in some way, those events certainly could

11       maintain a preexisting price inflation.

12       Q.   And to be clear, what does preexisting price inflation

13       mean?

14       A.   Whatever inflationary impact of a prior misstatement is

15       still in the stock price, those additional actions could

16       give the market reason to not, let's say, in this case sell

17       the stock, thereby causing the inflation to dissipate.

18       Q.   In conducting the reasonableness analysis called for in

19       the application note, would the reliable principles in

20       financial economics require some sort of systematic or

21       regression-type tool to support a finding of reasonableness?

22       A.   Yes.   It's generally the case that in order to assess

23       whether a particular measure is a reasonable estimate of

24       loss that one would at least within the basic parameters of

25       the peer-reviewed literature assess questions like whether



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 1       there's market-specific or industry-specific or other

 2       factors that a regression analysis would pick up.

 3       Q.   Did you hear any of -- any analysis of that type

 4       conducted by Mr. Reilly in explaining his assessment of the

 5       loss amount?

 6       A.   No, I did not.

 7       Q.   What does the financial literature say about the value

 8       to the market of statements by a corporate insider as

 9       compared to those by third parties or outsiders?

10       A.   There's actually a substantial literature on this,

11       because the fact -- it's not even an assumption.          It's an

12       understanding that corporate insiders have assymetric

13       information about their firms.       They know things the rest of

14       the market doesn't.     When a corporate insider speaks, the

15       market takes that very, very seriously.        The assumption is

16       that third parties might be getting it wrong, but the

17       insider knows what's really going on.

18                   So the assymetric information disparity between

19       the insider and the rest of the market is a basis for the

20       market as a whole to ascribe extra importance to what

21       insiders are saying.     And there's a very large literature on

22       this point.

23       Q.   And how does that topic apply to the potential to

24       perpetuate price inflation?

25       A.   Well, I think what that literature implies is that even



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 1       relatively oblique or indirect or subtle comments by

 2       corporate insiders can give investors -- and here, I'm

 3       referring to the market as a whole -- a reason not to

 4       disbelieve the misstatements, meaning not to sell the stock,

 5       not to update their beliefs.

 6                   It's as if the market looks and says:         Well, you

 7       know, look.    It looks like maybe these third-party

 8       accusations are wrong.      And so the market's ascribing extra

 9       weight to those insider statements.

10                   MR. REILLY:    No further questions, your Honor.

11                   THE COURT:    Mr. Xenakis.

12                   MR. XENAKIS:    Thank you, your Honor.

13                                RECROSS-EXAMINATION

14       BY MR. XENAKIS:

15       Q.   Professor Mitts, as part of your legal expertise, you're

16       familiar with litigation with the SEC.         Correct?

17       A.   I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "litigation

18       with the SEC."

19       Q.   Well, you're familiar with litigation, for example, the

20       litigation that's been discussed today about a stop trade

21       order with the SEC?

22       A.   I'm generally familiar with trading suspensions and

23       attempts to convince the SEC to reverse or overturn a

24       trading suspension.

25       Q.   And the attempts to persuade the SEC to overturn a



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 1       trading suspension is a legal right that people have.

 2       Correct?

 3       A.   I'm not entirely sure what you mean by a "legal right."

 4       I believe generally the SEC has provided for that as a

 5       matter of their own procedure.       But I can't recall the exact

 6       framework from a procedural standpoint that applies to those

 7       sorts of appeals.

 8       Q.   Okay.    I believe you testified on direct that you -- I'm

 9       sorry -- on cross-examination that you've testified for the

10       Government before.     Right?

11       A.   I have advised the Department of Justice, but I have not

12       testified for the Department of Justice before.

13       Q.   And have you advised the Department of Justice on issues

14       like -- that have come up today, like the sentencing

15       guidelines?

16       A.   I don't believe this level of specificity.         We certainly

17       have discussed the general issues that were discussed today.

18       The level of specificity today in preparation for this

19       hearing and the analysis that I was asked to conduct was

20       certainly at a higher level of specificity than our prior

21       discussion.

22       Q.   In preparing for that ability to speak with specificity,

23       you reviewed the guidelines closely.        Right?

24       A.   I reviewed the note that I discussed in my testimony and

25       the associated reasonableness analysis.



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 1       Q.   And when you talk about the note, that's the note for

 2       Guideline 2B1.1.     Right?

 3       A.   That sounds roughly correct.      I'd have to consult my

 4       notes as to the exact provision.       But --

 5       Q.   In your review of the guideline, do you remember where

 6       it said the word "truth"?

 7       A.   I can't recall the exact words.       What I remember is that

 8       the language is in substance examining the date when the

 9       fraud was revealed to the market or the fact that the

10       misstatement was false.       I don't remember the exact words

11       that were used, but that was my understanding of the

12       formula.

13       Q.   And is it possible you don't recall because the

14       guideline doesn't actually use the word "truth"?

15       A.   That's possible.     As I said, the question as I saw it

16       was whether the dates at issue in fact captured the

17       revelation of the fraud or the dissipation of the price

18       inflation, meaning the market realized that the prior

19       misstatements were false and therefore the inflationary

20       effect of those misstatements came out of the price.

21                    MR. XENAKIS:     The Court's indulgence.

22                    Nothing further, your Honor.

23                    THE COURT:   Thank you, Professor Mitts.      You may

24       step down.

25                    (Witness excused.)



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 1                   THE COURT:    Mr. Collins, I'll give you 20 minutes

 2       if you want to have Dr. Williams speak now.         I'm happy to

 3       hear him speak at sentencing.       I have reviewed his

 4       disclosure and I'm happy to review something else he says.

 5       I don't think I want to do another hearing, though.

 6                   MR. COLLINS:    I understand, your Honor.      Can you

 7       give me one minute to consult with my team?

 8                   THE COURT:    Sure.

 9                   (Discussion had off the record amongst counsel.)

10                   MR. COLLINS:    Your Honor, could I suggest Plan B?

11                   THE COURT:    Which was that he comes up?

12                   MR. COLLINS:    No, no.    That to the extent that we

13       would rely on Professor Williams or Dr. Williams, we might

14       submit something in support of sentencing.

15                   But if the Court has some time, we would like --

16       the Court's heard a lot of information.        In our view, we

17       think a summation of some sort for ten minutes would be, we

18       think, beneficial.     If it's beneficial -- if the Court's

19       willing, we'd like to have ten minutes to try to --

20                   THE COURT:    Of course.    Yes.

21                   MR. COLLINS:    So we'd like to do it orally today

22       or we could do it in briefing.        Whatever the Court prefers.

23                   THE COURT:    I don't want briefing.

24                   I'll hear from the Government.

25                   MR. REILLY:    Thank you, your Honor.
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 1                    The corrective disclosure for the fraud that

 2       Mr. Berman engaged in cannot be the trading suspension or

 3       the other summer events that the Defendant points to for a

 4       number of reasons.     I'll go through them briefly.

 5                    First, as the Defendant has pled guilty to

 6       obstruction of the SEC investigation, an obstruction that

 7       targeted shareholders of the company, the victims of his

 8       crime, who believed his false press releases and invested in

 9       this company, the obstruction plays a critical role in the

10       continued inflation of Decision Diagnostics' stock price

11       even after the SEC's trading suspension.

12                    As the Court knows and as we've seen today, the

13       Defendant's efforts to continue to besmirch the SEC, their

14       investigation and to outright call the nature of the

15       investigation into question distorted the market and

16       prevented the market from realizing that in fact the conduct

17       the Defendant had engaged in was fraud.

18                    As the Court is aware, there were three letters

19       submitted to the SEC over the course of that summer:             June

20       2nd, July 28th and August 11th.       This was persistent.       And

21       those letters were not only sent to the SEC's investigators

22       and the highest levels of the SEC, but they were shared with

23       investors.    They were signed by 56 investors.

24                    And these promoted to the victims of the fraud,

25       circulated in that community, that this fraud was not in
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 1       fact a fraud.

 2                   And the result of that is the price of this

 3       company's stock remained inflated during the summer until

 4       the indictment revealed the truth, including that the

 5       Defendant was on the message boards under a false identity

 6       refuting what the SEC suggested in its trading suspension,

 7       pushing back.

 8                   THE COURT:    Well, I guess why -- I, of course,

 9       have the greatest respect for the Justice Department.            But

10       kind of the average market participant, why would they see

11       an indictment, treat an indictment, differently than the SEC

12       making a very similar claim with these little skull and

13       crossbones?

14                   MR. REILLY:    Well, first, the SEC of course

15       doesn't attach that.      That's the OTC Markets.     We've heard

16       about kind of the limitations of what the OTC caveat emptor

17       provides.

18                   But the SEC trading suspension is a temporary

19       measure, of course.      It's not --

20                   THE COURT:    But it's also a pretty extraordinary

21       one.   Right?   Do you disagree with the claim that it happens

22       only a couple times year?

23                   MR. REILLY:    Well, in most years, but not in 2020.

24       In 2020, I had the benefit of being at the Commission at

25       that time, your Honor.
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 1                   And because of COVID-19, there was an

 2       inordinate -- I believe Mr. Reilly even testified to the

 3       large number of trading suspensions that came out around

 4       COVID-19 products.     I believe the uncertainty of the

 5       pandemic, the newness of companies, you know, claiming to

 6       have COVID-related products, it resulted in an inordinate

 7       number of trading suspensions around that time, which I

 8       think significantly undermines kind of the rareness, because

 9       that year during that particular time the SEC was suspending

10       a number of stocks in order to make sure that these

11       companies weren't getting ahead of themselves on what they

12       were claiming existed.

13                   And what we have here is not only that Decision

14       Diagnostics had this, but then the Defendant rebuts this, we

15       now know perjuriously.      Maybe he had a legal right to do it,

16       but he certainly didn't have a legal right -- now that he's

17       pled guilty, we know that the statements he made to the SEC

18       in that document appealing the trading suspension were

19       false, where he denies the press releases --

20                   THE COURT:    I get that.

21                   MR. REILLY:    Your Honor, then he circulates that

22       on the OTC Market.     And that's so that investors in these

23       penny stocks can see.

24                   So the items that he's engaging in to continue the

25       fraud concern circulating a misleading appeal, recruiting
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 1       investors and pushing, through obstructive conduct,

 2       investors to prepare letters to kind of attack the SEC

 3       investigation and then continuing to issue at least one

 4       false and misleading press release, all after that point in

 5       time.

 6                   And we see it in the stock pricing because, once

 7       the indictment comes out, the stock price returns to where

 8       it was before the Defendant began putting out those press

 9       releases about having these products.

10                   The only time that we see the market being on full

11       notice that the EUA process that the Defendant had continued

12       to tell the market that he was far along in was baseless,

13       that the FDA had told Decision Diagnostics that they would

14       need to conduct additional clinical trials in order to get

15       an EUA.   They couldn't afford them.       They couldn't do them.

16       They didn't have the protocols to do them.          And that gets

17       revealed right there.

18                   THE COURT:    Is your position in conflict with the

19       indictment and your pretrial claims that the fraud had just

20       existed into that summer?

21                   MR. REILLY:    I don't think so, your Honor, because

22       it's really two separate questions.        Right?   The question

23       is, one, how long is the fraud period?        And because of the

24       obstructive conduct and the continued perpetuation of the

25       fraud, we believe the correct measure of the fraud period is
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 1       all the way until December.

 2                   But even if the fraud ends on July 10th, the

 3       question still remains of:      When was the full scope of the

 4       fraudulent conduct revealed to the market?

 5                   And there is no doubt, whether the fraud ends July

 6       10th or the fraud ends when Mr. Berman is indicted, it is

 7       not revealed to the market what -- that the Defendant has

 8       been using aliases to promote additional false information

 9       on the message boards, that the press releases were in fact

10       false, that there's no opportunity to get an EUA.

11                   A variety of additional conduct is put out there

12       as well as for the first time a finding by a body, the grand

13       jury, that there is probable cause that criminal conduct has

14       existed.

15                   And the stock price shows that that is -- had a

16       significant impact on the market, because that is the first

17       time that the stock goes back to and stays at approximately

18       2 to 5 cents, where it has not been since the Defendant

19       began putting out the false and misleading press releases

20       back in March.

21                   THE COURT:   So I'd think an indictment suggests if

22       I could afford to invest in the stock change and I saw

23       someone indicted, that might have even greater effect, like

24       suggesting this whole firm is going to collapse or whatever.

25                   Doesn't that have -- isn't there a danger that
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 1       your post-December timeline even overcompensates and really

 2       tanked the company's share price beyond just kind of what

 3       would have been implicated by the fraud?

 4                   MR. REILLY:    Well, your Honor, I think what it

 5       indicates is that the market was not baking in the risk that

 6       we've heard from the defense in the other disclosures as the

 7       market appreciating the full extent.

 8                   I think the Court's right that these are extreme

 9       risks to the viability of DECN.        And had the market had the

10       complete scope of information, including that the Defendant

11       was engaging in obstructive conduct, using pseudonyms and

12       aliases to put out additional false information and that,

13       you know, the core premise of the investment value in this

14       company, which had not been previously disclosed in any of

15       the SEC's public filings, that's really what the indictment

16       is getting at.

17                   And I think the comparison shows that if the

18       market had truly appreciated the extent of what the

19       Defendant was doing, the stock price would have reverted to

20       that price over the summer, not until the indictment was

21       revealed.

22                   THE COURT:    Thank you.

23                   MR. REILLY:    Any other questions?

24                   THE COURT:    No.

25                   MR. REILLY:    Thank you, your Honor.
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 1                   MR. GIRON:   José Giron of Covington & Burling for

 2       Mr. Berman.

 3                   Your Honor, may it please the Court.

 4                   This Court has heard a lot about what the parties

 5       disagree about:     the fraud period, the disclosure period.

 6       But I'd like to begin by highlighting some of the things the

 7       parties do agree about.

 8                   For instance, the parties all agree that the

 9       guidelines method -- excuse me -- the guidelines recommend

10       measuring loss using MRM, the modified rescissory method.

11                   And, second, the parties agree about how the

12       method works, at least in principle:        You compare the price

13       during the fraud to the price post-disclosure, the idea

14       being that the post-disclosure price is what an investor

15       would have paid if they had complete information.

16                   Third, your Honor, the parties -- and

17       importantly -- do not dispute where the burden lies.             Quote:

18       "The overall burden of proving loss under the guidelines

19       always remains with the Government."        That's United States

20       versus Bikundi, 926 F.3d at 798, D.C. Circuit, 2019, a

21       recent case.

22                   I'd like to pivot to some of the things the

23       parties do disagree about, your Honor.

24                   First, the period of the fraud.       Well, when did it

25       end?   When did it begin?
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 1                   THE COURT:   You agree on when it began.       Right?

 2                   MR. GIRON:   That's right, your Honor.       We both

 3       agree that -- the parties do agree that it began on March

 4       3rd, 2020, when DECN issued its first fraudulent press

 5       release.

 6                   Now, I think the Government --

 7                   THE COURT:   Isn't a warning sent to me, Mr. Giron,

 8       that your method can't be right when the result is that

 9       there are no real victims, that they end up better under the

10       fraud than they would have been otherwise?         Doesn't that

11       just kind of fly in the face of common sense?

12                   MR. GIRON:   Not necessarily, your Honor.

13                   There can be many market forces, many confounding

14       causation events, that can lead to a price increase without

15       there being loss.

16                   So just to give you an example, suppose that

17       Mr. Berman on July 10th had invented OpenAI.         You know,

18       anybody who's buying in the market would realize, Whoa, this

19       stock is worth a lot of money.       I want to buy it,

20       notwithstanding prior fraud.

21                   THE COURT:   So have you pointed to anything that

22       would suggest something like OpenAI here?

23                   MR. GIRON:   No, your Honor.     But it's not our

24       burden to do so; it's the Government's burden to do so.

25                   THE COURT:   I get that.     I get that.
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 1                   But nonetheless, they have a pretty convincing

 2       kind of bell curve.      You know, it's around 2 to 3 cents;

 3       fraud; fraud is exposed; back down to 2 to 3 cents.          There's

 4       kind of a logical appeal to their position.

 5                   Yours, not so much.

 6                   MR. GIRON:    I disagree with that, your Honor.

 7                   Before the guidelines were enacted, courts often

 8       stressed that the fraud period or the post-disclosure period

 9       should be brief.

10                   And there's a reason why they did that.        That's

11       because the longer the periods are, whether it's the fraud

12       period or the disclosure period, the likelier it is that

13       there's some other confounding variable that is affecting

14       the stock price and that shouldn't be folded into the loss

15       calculations, because at the end of the day your Honor has

16       to calculate the loss that was, you know, the product of

17       reasonable reliance on the fraudulent statements, not

18       other -- you know, any other confounding variable.

19                   And we submit to you the three or four answers

20       that Professor Mitts gave just do not suffice to accomplish

21       that, you know.

22                   Moreover, your Honor doesn't need to believe us.

23       The Government's consistent position throughout this

24       litigation has been that the fraud period began in March and

25       ended in July.
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 1                   THE COURT:   So, you know, I thought you were right

 2       about that.    But I'm looking back at the indictment, and it

 3       actually does say securities fraud from at least in or

 4       around February 2020 through in or around December 2020.

 5                   So I'm not sure exactly where you're getting the

 6       summer.   But it looks to me at least their --

 7                   MR. GIRON:   Your Honor, let me give you --

 8                   THE COURT:   -- indictment looks longer.

 9                   MR. GIRON:   A fine question, your Honor.

10                   Let me give you what the Government thought the

11       indictment said.

12                   In the pretrial conference held on November 13th,

13       2023, the Government said as follows, quote:         "If you look

14       at the indictment, it really is divided into discrete

15       periods of time, with February through July 2020 being the

16       allegedly false and misleading statements and the rest of

17       the time period, basically April through December, related

18       to the obstruction case."

19                   I'd like to address for a moment, your Honor, a

20       few of the cases that undermine and I think completely

21       contravene the Government's position.

22                   The Government at bottom is saying that

23       Mr. Berman's obstruction somehow extended the period of the

24       fraud.

25                   But the case law doesn't back that up.        Tellingly,
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 1       the Government cannot cite a single solitary case for that

 2       proposition, your Honor.      Not one.

 3                   We can for ours.    Take, for example, United States

 4       versus Lundstrom.     That's out of the District of Nebraska,

 5       U.S. District Lexus 195507 at *4.

 6                   There, a bank doctored financial statements.

 7       Okay?   At a later point in time, it said:        We're going to

 8       revise those financial statements.        That's all it said.

 9                   At a third date, your Honor, the bank continued to

10       issue Form 8-K filings with the SEC, and in those filings

11       said:   There's no fraud.     The people who were auditing us,

12       they quit for another reason.       We haven't destroyed any

13       evidence.

14                   Those are attempts to conceal the fraud.

15                   And the Government there, the fraud section of the

16       Justice Department, the same one that brings this case,

17       argued that, you know, the period of the fraud had ended

18       with that initial disclosure, notwithstanding the

19       later-in-time attempts to conceal the fraud.

20                   Your Honor, that case was upheld on appeal by the

21       Eighth Circuit in United States versus Lundstrom, 880 F.3d

22       at 444.

23                   Likewise, here, the Court should rule that the

24       fraudulent period ended when Mr. Berman issued the last

25       fraudulent press release on July 10th, even though he
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 1       continued to post about DECN anonymously.

 2                    And on the anonymous point, your Honor, a real

 3       brief detour:    Professor Mitts said that insiders have

 4       assymetric access to knowledge, so their word may matter a

 5       lot to investors.     I totally agree with that.

 6                    But that actually undercuts the Government's

 7       position, your Honor, because many of Mr. Berman's

 8       statements in the obstruction half of the case were posted

 9       anonymously, so investors didn't -- couldn't attribute those

10       statements to Mr. Berman.

11                    THE COURT:   But they could in the various filings

12       with the SEC.    Right?

13                    MR. GIRON:   That's correct, your Honor.      That's

14       true.

15                    I'd like to pivot now to maybe the second half --

16       or maybe the second issue that the parties really disagree

17       about, which is the disclosure period.        When was the fraud

18       disclosed?

19                    Now, I want to be precise here, your Honor.         The

20       sentencing guidelines speak not of truth, but about the

21       period when, quote, "the fraud was disclosed to the market."

22       That's Sentencing Guideline Section 2B1.1, Comment No. 3,

23       Subdivision (F), Subsection (ix).

24                    THE COURT:   Okay.

25                    MR. GIRON:   Now, "disclose" is not a term that's
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 1       defined in the guidelines.      Your Honor decided a case,

 2       United States versus Seefried, 639 Federal --

 3                   THE COURT:   I'm familiar with it.      Go ahead.

 4                   MR. GIRON:   Excellent.    I'm just making a record.

 5                   -- that held that undefined phrases take their

 6       plain meaning.    And as a textualist, I totally agree with

 7       that.

 8                   Now -- so what does it mean to disclose something

 9       to the market?    It means, you know, when did a proposition

10       go from being unknown to generally known to the market?

11                   And I think, your Honor, the evidence here is

12       overwhelming that that happened on April 23rd.

13                   As you know, the SEC had questions relating to

14       the, quote, "accuracy and adequacy of information in the

15       marketplace" since at least March 3rd, 2020.

16                   Cases -- courts have held that suspension orders

17       trigger their 90-day -- the post-disclosure period.

18                   So, for instance, United States versus Peppel,

19       2011 U.S. District Lexis 909957, decided in August of 2011

20       and eventually upheld on -- or reversed on appeal for

21       different reasons said that, quote:        "The announcement of

22       the SEC investigation is an efficient and highly relevant

23       proxy by which to measure the price effects of the

24       fraudulent conduct," end quote.

25                   And that's --
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 1                    THE COURT:   Was that a case where there was

 2       post-SEC announcement obstruction, though?

 3                    MR. GIRON:   No, your Honor.

 4                    But for propositions -- for a case that is more

 5       similar to what your Honor is asking about, I would point

 6       your Honor to United States versus Lundstrom, where there

 7       were -- there was disclosure, there was fraud, disclosure,

 8       attempts to conceal.      And the outcome there is exactly what

 9       we're asking for, which is that, you know, the disclosure

10       happened when it happened.

11                    And, your Honor, Lundstrom was actually really

12       instructive for that reason.       Many courts have found that

13       disclosure happens when far, far less information is

14       available to the market.      And Lundstrom is one such case.

15       So in Lundstrom, all the bank said to trigger the

16       disclosure --

17                    THE COURT:   That was the Eighth Circuit case you

18       mentioned?

19                    MR. GIRON:   That's right.    That's right, your

20       Honor.   Yes.

21                    All the company said was:     We're revising our

22       earlier financial statements.

23                    It contained none of the detail found in the

24       suspension order.     It contained none of the detail found in

25       the SEC's May 20th filing, detail by the way, your Honor,
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 1       that is found in the Government's indictment several months

 2       later.

 3                   In our briefing -- your Honor, we wanted to

 4       highlight how similar the allegations that the SEC made were

 5       to the allegations that the Government, you know, makes.

 6       And we have a table set up where your Honor and your Honor's

 7       clerks can compare the allegations.        A lot of times they use

 8       very similar language.

 9                   Now, underlying the Government's position is that

10       the disclosure needs to be complete and that it needs to be

11       uncontested.

12                   Again, that is -- your Honor, that's not the case.

13       That's not what the case law says.

14                   In United States versus Tuzman from the Southern

15       District of New York -- that's 2021 U.S. District Lexis

16       142715 -- the Southern District of New York held that the

17       fraudulent scheme was disclosed when a company filed a Form

18       8-K that merely announced, quote, "errors and irregularities

19       in its financial statements from prior years."

20                   Again, that is a real big contrast between the

21       detail contained in the documents that we submit, humbly,

22       disclosed the fraud here.

23                   Your Honor, in United States versus Ferguson, the

24       District of Connecticut -- excuse me -- that's 584 Federal

25       Supplement 2nd 447 -- the District of Connecticut ruled that
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 1       when a company announced that it had received a subpoena

 2       from a state regulator, that was enough to trigger the

 3       disclosure.

 4                   Your Honor, I'd like to make two more points about

 5       why the Government's disclosure argument is fatally flawed.

 6                   First, it collides with the fact that the

 7       Government must prove that investors reasonably relied on

 8       fraud to measure loss.

 9                   Loss that is not incurred as a result of

10       reasonable reliance should be omitted from the loss

11       calculations.    That's United States versus Stein, an

12       Eleventh Circuit case, 846 F.3d 1135, and a recent one at

13       that, because it was issued in 2017.

14                   So, your Honor, just think about what an investor

15       would have had to do on July 21st to buy DECN stock.             When

16       he typed DECN, you know, on otcmarkets.com, he would find a

17       skull and crossbones.

18                   He would find that same skull and crossbones on

19       otcmarkets.com once he navigated to DECN's page.

20                   There are bright red warnings about how buyers

21       ought to beware as a result of either fraud or, you know,

22       the suspension orders.

23                   And if they wanted to place -- if after all of

24       that they wanted to place an order, they couldn't do so

25       online.   You heard Mr. Reilly testify that they actually had
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 1       to call up broker-dealers.      By that point, the SEC has

 2       suspended trading.     It has issued a detailed analysis

 3       identifying specific fraudulent statements made on May 20th.

 4       And now you have all these blinking-red neon red lights

 5       saying, "Don't do this."

 6                   We submit to you, your Honor, that an investor

 7       buying DECN securities on July 21st was not reasonably

 8       relying on Mr. Berman's fraudulent statements.

 9                   THE COURT:   All right.

10                   MR. GIRON:   As a result, their sustained losses

11       can't be folded into the calculations.

12                   Just one last brief point, your Honor.        I know

13       we've taken up a lot of your time.

14                   The Government's test is inadministrable.        They

15       say it has to be a complete disclosure; it has to be

16       uncontested.

17                   Well, you can always learn more about a particular

18       fraudulent scheme.     What was the Defendant eating on the day

19       he issued the press release?       We'll never know that.        It's

20       never going to be a part of the record.

21                   And so the Government says, Oh, well, the

22       indictment is enough, that, you know, nothing happened

23       before.

24                   That doesn't make a lot of sense.

25                   Your Honor, because the allegations in the
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 1       indictment mirrored so closely the allegations made in the

 2       SEC, we don't think it adds much, you know, to learn the

 3       information contained in that indictment.

 4                   And the Government's rule would incentivize it

 5       if -- if the rule is, Oh, well, let's just measure it by the

 6       time the Government indicts, well, then, the Government has

 7       this perverse incentive to maybe indict when -- you know, a

 8       lot later, when the price of the security has depreciated.

 9       Nothing in the guidelines calls -- or gives the Government

10       that power.

11                   Your Honor, even if you assume that the Government

12       is right about the fraud period and you take any one of the

13       three disclosure dates, the investors in this case under the

14       guidelines method, which the parties both agree ought to be

15       applied here, have sustained no loss.

16                   Thank you, your Honor.

17                   THE COURT:    Thank you, Mr. Giron.

18                   I appreciate everyone's --

19                   MR. REILLY:    Judge, may we be heard on one very

20       brief point?

21                   THE COURT:    No.

22                   MR. REILLY:    Thank you, your Honor.

23                   THE COURT:    I appreciate everybody's hard work and

24       briefing on this.     I appreciate the experts' presence here

25       today.
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 1                   I think we have a schedule for memoranda in aid of

 2       sentencing and a sentencing date.       So I'll see you folks

 3       then.

 4                   Thanks, folks.

 5                   MR. REILLY:    Thank you, your Honor.

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 4       certify that the foregoing constitutes a true and accurate

 5       transcript of my stenographic notes, and is a full, true,

 6       and complete transcript of the proceedings produced to the

 7       best of my ability.

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                         Official Court Reporter
13                       United States District Court for the
                           District of Columbia
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                         Washington, D.C. 20001
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           $               117 [1] - 3:5            35:24, 44:3, 44:11,         2B1.1 [3] - 14:9,          60.8 [1] - 23:3
                           11:30 [1] - 1:7          54:6, 58:14, 60:5,         123:2, 136:22               62 [1] - 3:15
                           11th [1] - 125:20        62:9, 63:4, 64:2, 64:5,     2nd [3] - 107:23,          625 [1] - 1:24
 $150 [1] - 36:25          12 [3] - 64:21, 92:6,    68:15, 68:16, 69:19,       125:20, 139:25              63 [1] - 3:16
 $200 [2] - 36:15,        101:16                    71:14, 71:22, 75:6,                                    639 [1] - 137:2
36:20                                               75:25, 76:3, 76:18,
                           12,000 [1] - 56:5                                              3                64 [1] - 3:17
 $350,000 [1] - 31:7       13th [1] - 134:12        78:9, 79:17, 79:18,                                    6706 [1] - 2:3
 $600 [1] - 12:20          1400 [1] - 1:16          80:11, 80:19, 81:15,                                   69 [1] - 3:18
 $70,000 [1] - 12:20                                81:16, 81:22, 83:16,        3 [6] - 51:21, 98:15,
                           142715 [1] - 139:16                                                             6th [3] - 64:5, 92:22,
                                                    83:17, 83:23, 83:24,       104:25, 133:2, 133:3,
                           15 [1] - 90:24                                                                 93:7
                                                                               136:22
            '              150 [1] - 36:24          84:18, 84:22, 84:25,
                                                    85:3, 86:5, 90:1, 90:3,     3-M [1] - 107:15
                           16 [2] - 95:9, 96:22
                                                    91:13, 92:22, 93:8,         3-O [1] - 90:20                       7
 '34 [2] - 55:23, 56:16    160 [4] - 22:8, 22:16,
                                                    93:23, 94:23, 95:11,        30 [3] - 3:5, 72:10,
 '80s [1] - 50:11         22:22, 23:1
                                                    96:5, 96:17, 96:22,        116:1                       7 [3] - 51:14, 90:3,
                           17 [2] - 83:24, 96:3
                                                    97:8, 97:21, 98:18,         300 [2] - 36:23, 37:7     91:13
                           17.41 [1] - 15:4
            /              176 [1] - 76:3
                                                    99:7, 99:12, 101:1,         31 [1] - 94:3              71 [1] - 3:19
                                                    101:2, 101:5, 103:15,       333 [2] - 2:3, 144:14      77 [1] - 3:20
                           17th [3] - 14:21,
                                                    104:7, 105:2, 107:23,       349 [4] - 22:9, 22:15,     798 [1] - 131:20
 /s [1] - 144:12          14:25, 100:25
                                                    108:9, 108:13,             23:3, 25:16                 7th [3] - 44:10,
                           18 [1] - 96:17
                                                    108:15, 109:4,              350 [1] - 23:25           98:18, 99:2
           0               18th [2] - 14:25, 17:6
                                                    111:21, 112:4,              354-3269 [2] - 2:4,
                           19 [1] - 96:22
                                                    126:23, 126:24,            144:15                                 8
                           19.54 [1] - 14:23
 00 [5] - 3:11, 11:16,                              132:4, 134:4, 134:15,       3553(a [1] - 6:13
                           1933 [1] - 52:5
11:21, 11:23, 11:24                                 137:15                      3553(a) [1] - 7:15
                           1934 [1] - 52:5                                                                 8 [1] - 3:5
 001 [4] - 3:15, 62:5,                               2021 [7] - 15:1, 18:3,     36 [1] - 52:13
                           195507 [1] - 135:5                                                              8-K [2] - 135:10,
62:17, 62:21                                        31:7, 91:4, 93:12,          3rd [10] - 14:21, 75:6,
                           1987 [1] - 50:8          93:19, 139:15                                         139:18
 002 [4] - 3:16, 62:23,                                                        80:19, 83:16, 83:23,
63:12, 63:16                                         2023 [2] - 76:4,          86:5, 95:11, 95:12,         846 [1] - 140:12
 004 [4] - 3:20, 77:3,               2              134:13                     132:4, 137:15               85 [1] - 3:8
77:11, 77:15                                         2024 [3] - 1:6, 70:18,                                850 [1] - 1:21
                                                                                                           86 [1] - 72:5
 005 [3] - 59:13,          2 [14] - 43:9, 47:12,    144:10                                4
59:14, 60:18                                         20530 [1] - 1:16                                      87 [1] - 72:6
                          63:15, 64:14, 83:15,
 010 [4] - 3:18, 69:5,                               20th [20] - 68:15,                                    880 [1] - 135:21
                          83:21, 98:13, 101:8,
                                                    69:8, 69:19, 76:24,         4 [4] - 77:14, 96:5,       8th [5] - 75:9, 80:4,
69:21, 69:25              102:12, 104:24,
                                                    79:17, 81:15, 81:16,       104:25, 135:5              84:2, 103:15, 112:1
 012 [5] - 3:17, 63:18,   115:1, 129:18, 133:2,
                                                    81:22, 84:3, 84:4,          40 [1] - 115:5
63:21, 64:18, 64:22       133:3
                                                    84:25, 85:3, 97:21,         444 [1] - 135:22                      9
 042 [7] - 3:19, 70:2,     2.13 [1] - 15:2
                                                    99:7, 101:2, 111:21,        447 [1] - 139:25
70:24, 71:2, 71:3,         20 [11] - 1:6, 68:9,
71:6, 83:19                                         112:4, 138:25, 141:3        45 [2] - 35:24, 36:4
                          68:16, 69:2, 97:4,                                                               9 [3] - 54:6, 71:22,
                                                     21st [2] - 140:15,         49 [1] - 3:8
                          99:12, 101:5, 108:15,                                                           94:3
           1              109:4, 112:12, 124:1      141:7
                                                                                                           90 [3] - 14:24, 47:11,
                           20-00278 [1] - 1:3        22nd [2] - 91:3,                     5               80:21
                           20-278 [2] - 4:2,        144:10
 1 [3] - 43:8, 62:20,                                                                                      90-day [4] - 74:21,
                          85:16                      23andMe [1] - 35:5
71:6                                                                            5 [6] - 3:14, 55:25,      81:21, 83:25, 137:17
                           200 [4] - 34:24,          23rd [21] - 44:3, 62:9,
 10 [4] - 69:24, 81:5,                                                         60:21, 60:22, 71:6,         909957 [1] - 137:19
                          35:13, 37:3, 37:4         63:3, 75:7, 75:25,
86:5, 112:19                                                                   129:18                      926 [1] - 131:20
                           20001 [2] - 2:4,         76:18, 77:18, 77:21,
 10,000 [1] - 56:5                                                              50 [2] - 3:14, 36:23       9th [1] - 71:14
                          144:14                    78:16, 80:11, 80:19,
 100 [3] - 55:3, 58:5,                                                          550 [1] - 1:25
                           20004 [1] - 1:25         80:20, 81:9, 84:18,
99:25                                                                           56 [1] - 125:23                      A
                           2001 [1] - 1:22          84:22, 89:17, 108:9,
 102 [1] - 104:20                                                               584 [1] - 139:24
                           2011 [2] - 137:19        109:4, 113:18,
 10b [1] - 87:19                                    113:19, 137:12
                           2017 [1] - 140:13                                                               a.m [1] - 1:7
 10th [9] - 64:2, 75:3,                              24th [1] - 44:10                     6                aberrant [1] - 76:15
                           2018 [3] - 52:11,
80:25, 83:17, 83:23,                                 25 [1] - 72:9
                          53:2, 53:3                                                                       ability [3] - 61:2,
129:2, 129:6, 132:17,                                27 [1] - 3:12              6 [1] - 100:4
                           2019 [3] - 18:4,                                                               122:22, 144:7
135:25                                               27.8 [1] - 23:1            6-A2 [7] - 3:12,
                          26:22, 131:20                                                                    able [2] - 66:21,
 11 [3] - 3:11, 70:18,                               28th [1] - 125:20         26:19, 27:8, 27:10,
                           202 [2] - 2:4, 144:15                                                          86:24
96:17                                                2:00 [1] - 85:8           27:11, 35:17, 47:8
                           2020 [78] - 14:21,                                                              absence [3] - 29:15,
 1135 [1] - 140:12                                   2:05 [1] - 85:11           6-X [2] - 14:12, 29:24
                          14:25, 18:3, 26:22,                                                             29:17, 43:17
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 absent [1] - 48:24       134:19                     aid [1] - 143:1           120:3, 122:19,             113:25, 114:12,
 absolute [2] - 76:16,     addresses [2] -           airlines [1] - 58:19      122:25, 141:2              114:17, 114:20,
111:12                    94:23, 108:23              Alberta [1] - 30:22         announced [4] -          142:15
 absolutely [11] -         adds [1] - 142:2          alert [3] - 64:1, 64:9,   44:4, 101:13, 139:18,       applies [4] - 40:7,
57:4, 58:1, 61:4,          adequacy [2] -           65:3                       140:1                      40:9, 122:6
61:15, 67:5, 75:20,       89:22, 137:14              Alert [1] - 64:11           announcement [2] -        apply [2] - 48:6,
79:23, 79:24, 99:4,        adequate [11] -           alerted [1] - 67:3        137:21, 138:2              120:23
109:16, 111:23            86:15, 89:11, 89:13,       alias [1] - 105:3           annual [1] - 83:12        applying [1] - 12:13
 academic [1] - 9:2       103:15, 104:2,             aliases [2] - 129:8,        anonymous [1] -           appreciate [3] -
 academy [1] - 31:25      105:17, 108:18,           130:12                     136:2                      142:18, 142:23,
 accept [3] - 99:1,       110:1, 111:17, 111:20      allegation [1] -            anonymously [2] -        142:24
109:20, 116:13             adequately [3] -         102:19                     136:1, 136:9                appreciated [1] -
 acceptable [1] - 23:6    73:16, 78:15, 88:20        allegations [6] -           answer [9] - 35:11,      130:18
 accepted [1] - 11:2       Administration [1] -     98:25, 139:4, 139:5,       85:3, 88:3, 92:1,           appreciating [1] -
 access [3] - 57:13,      101:19                    139:7, 141:25, 142:1       99:21, 106:13,             130:7
106:11, 136:4              administrative [1] -      allegedly [1] -           106:14, 107:14              approach [4] - 18:18,
 accomplish [1] -         108:13                    134:16                       answered [5] -           20:22, 40:15, 59:3
133:20                     admission [1] -           allow [4] - 43:13,        16:17, 17:7, 33:3,          approached [1] -
 according [3] - 14:5,    101:25                    66:13, 67:25, 73:18        104:9, 106:23              36:20
14:6, 35:23                admit [9] - 11:20,        allowed [1] - 51:20         answering [1] -           appropriate [3] -
 account [1] - 74:6       27:8, 60:18, 62:17,        allows [1] - 55:15        21:13                      16:10, 21:2, 100:13
 accuracy [2] - 89:22,    63:12, 64:18, 69:21,       almost [2] - 53:13,         answers [1] - 133:19      approximation [1] -
137:14                    70:24, 77:11              72:6                         ante [1] - 48:13         25:11
 accurate [17] - 31:22,    adopt [1] - 27:4          aloud [1] - 102:14          anticipated [1] - 8:5     April [28] - 44:3,
33:11, 35:25, 36:7,        adopted [1] - 11:4        alternative [2] -           apart [1] - 48:17        44:10, 58:14, 62:8,
36:15, 37:11, 45:1,        advice [1] - 59:25       16:19, 55:15                 apfilings@sec.gov        63:3, 64:2, 75:7,
45:2, 62:14, 63:9,         advised [2] - 122:11,     ambiguity [1] - 17:5      [1] - 91:14                75:25, 76:18, 77:18,
77:9, 92:19, 94:16,       122:13                     America [2] - 4:2,          apologies [1] - 4:22     77:21, 78:16, 80:11,
95:19, 96:13, 101:10,      affect [1] - 21:19       85:17                        apologize [1] - 5:1      80:19, 80:20, 81:9,
144:4                      affected [4] - 18:22,     AMERICA [1] - 1:3           apparent [1] - 33:3      83:16, 83:23, 84:18,
 accusations [1] -        19:7, 19:12, 37:13         Ameritrade [8] -            appeal [7] - 99:4,       84:22, 89:17, 90:1,
121:8                      affecting [2] - 38:13,   50:21, 58:1, 58:2,         99:8, 119:6, 127:25,       108:9, 109:4, 113:18,
 accusing [1] - 105:5     133:13                    66:9, 72:8, 73:5, 73:9,    133:4, 135:20, 137:20      113:19, 134:17,
 acknowledge [1] -         affects [1] - 39:22      111:11                       appealing [4] - 99:3,    137:12
6:21                       affidavit [5] - 76:25,    amount [25] - 5:5,        110:20, 110:23,             arbitrations [2] -
 act [2] - 7:20, 56:16    84:2, 102:5, 102:8,       5:15, 6:4, 14:18, 16:5,    127:18                     52:13, 53:8
 Act [4] - 52:5, 52:7,    102:13                    21:21, 22:11, 22:14,         appeals [1] - 122:7       archive [2] - 68:19,
55:23                      affirmatively [1] -      22:24, 23:6, 29:24,          appear [2] - 5:17,       69:18
 acted [1] - 94:6         78:3                      46:21, 46:23, 53:11,       5:20                        area [5] - 9:16, 12:5,
 action [1] - 30:19        afford [2] - 128:15,     57:24, 74:12, 80:13,         appearance [1] -         16:9, 51:25, 87:15
 Action [1] - 1:3         129:22                    80:16, 81:17, 81:23,       31:3                        areas [1] - 9:22
 actions [5] - 105:6,      afternoon [4] -          84:21, 84:24, 119:1,         appearances [2] -         argued [1] - 135:17
108:11, 109:6,            49:23, 50:2, 86:2,        119:5, 120:5               1:13, 53:1                  argument [1] - 140:5
109:16, 119:15            86:3                       amounts [4] - 6:1,          appeared [3] - 24:5,      arguments [1] - 5:22
 activities [1] - 16:2     afterwards [3] -         7:9, 21:24, 84:8           52:13, 52:14                arise [1] - 7:21
 activity [3] - 16:20,    17:12, 78:4, 78:7          analyses [1] - 13:12        append [2] - 65:13,       arising [1] - 53:12
21:9, 118:24               age [1] - 55:2            analysis [42] - 18:7,     65:15                       armed [1] - 73:20
 actual [6] - 6:14,        aggregate [2] - 39:3,    18:14, 19:8, 19:10,          appended [6] -            article [4] - 33:19,
12:16, 21:2, 23:11,       39:15                     20:5, 20:10, 23:9,         68:25, 75:11, 79:25,       33:22, 33:24, 34:4
30:1, 112:12               ago [1] - 26:2           27:15, 29:6, 29:8,         104:1, 109:25, 114:14       article's [1] - 33:25
 add [1] - 76:2            agree [18] - 6:6, 7:5,   29:10, 29:21, 41:11,         appending [1] -           artificial [1] - 48:25
 added [1] - 48:2         17:21, 44:13, 44:19,      43:1, 43:10, 43:11,        103:14                      ascribe [1] - 120:20
 addition [2] - 76:18,    45:13, 46:4, 78:5,        44:1, 45:3, 45:15,           Apple [2] - 57:9, 58:5    ascribing [1] - 121:8
79:17                     86:4, 131:7, 131:8,       45:16, 45:20, 46:8,          application [5] -         aside [2] - 40:19,
 additional [10] -        131:11, 132:1, 132:3,     62:12, 71:17, 79:9,        6:16, 14:8, 117:19,        116:9
13:12, 22:2, 32:9,        136:5, 137:6, 142:14      81:23, 105:7, 106:15,      117:24, 119:19              assertion [3] - 94:25,
48:17, 98:16, 119:15,      agreement [1] -          107:5, 107:9, 109:23,        applications [1] -       99:1, 109:20
128:14, 129:8,            103:4                     110:6, 110:15,             101:18                      assess [6] - 26:4,
129:11, 130:12             ahead [4] - 67:7,        117:21, 118:10,              applied [9] - 13:8,      26:6, 118:17, 118:25,
 address [2] - 38:24,     114:9, 127:11, 137:3      119:1, 119:18, 120:2,      86:7, 86:10, 112:10,       119:22, 119:25
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 assessing [2] - 53:4,    40:3                        bell [1] - 133:2           biotech-relevant [1]       brings [1] - 135:16
117:25                     averaging [1] - 39:24      below [5] - 36:9,        - 39:7                       broadly [1] - 56:2
 assessment [2] -          avoid [1] - 67:6          36:10, 37:4, 37:8,          biotechnology [10] -       broker [20] - 50:23,
117:21, 120:4              aware [10] - 16:8,        109:1                     26:23, 28:4, 28:5,          50:24, 50:25, 55:1,
 Asset [1] - 33:20        28:22, 28:25, 61:16,        bench [2] - 4:18,        28:6, 28:18, 33:6,          55:9, 56:23, 57:2,
 asset [5] - 19:18,       93:22, 103:1, 103:6,       58:23                     34:23, 35:1, 36:13,         61:23, 65:20, 66:10,
20:11, 20:20, 27:23,      104:14, 112:22,             beneficial [2] -         39:4                        66:13, 71:10, 71:12,
57:18                     125:18                     124:18                      biotechs [1] - 34:14      72:7, 72:16, 72:18,
 assigned [1] -            axes [1] - 42:22           benefit [1] - 126:24       bit [13] - 5:18, 23:15,   78:1, 80:2, 114:17,
112:22                                                BERMAN [1] - 1:6         32:3, 32:6, 39:8,           141:1
 associated [3] -                    B                Berman [34] - 4:3,       44:23, 51:11, 55:4,          broker-dealer [7] -
21:15, 108:11, 122:25                                4:13, 4:21, 4:23, 6:15,   66:11, 71:17, 81:11,        50:25, 55:1, 56:23,
 associating [1] -                                   6:19, 23:7, 30:12,        81:18, 81:24                66:10, 71:12, 72:16,
                           bachelor's [1] - 9:3                                  blames [1] - 102:21       114:17
42:24                                                49:20, 85:17, 89:3,
                           back-and-forth [1] -      92:12, 92:21, 95:13,        blinking [1] - 141:4       broker-dealers [11] -
 assume [1] - 142:11
                          6:2                        96:6, 97:12, 97:17,         blinking-red [1] -        50:23, 50:24, 57:2,
 assumption [2] -
                           background [2] -          98:24, 102:5, 102:8,      141:4                       61:23, 66:13, 71:10,
120:11, 120:15
                          5:6, 7:15                  102:15, 102:19,             blog [1] - 59:25          72:7, 72:18, 78:1,
 assure [1] - 73:19
                           bakes [1] - 43:5          103:18, 104:14,             blood [2] - 95:25,        80:2, 141:1
 assymetric [3] -
                           baking [1] - 130:5        105:2, 105:6, 109:17,     96:1                         brokers [1] - 55:16
120:12, 120:18, 136:4
                           bang [1] - 60:15          110:6, 125:2, 129:6,        Bloomberg [1] -            brought [2] - 7:3,
 attach [1] - 126:15
                           bank [3] - 135:6,         131:2, 132:17,            26:25                       21:14
 attached [4] - 63:2,
                          135:9, 138:15              135:24, 136:10              Blue [7] - 54:5, 71:8,     BS [1] - 50:7
102:5, 107:12, 117:9
                           based [20] - 15:9,         Berman's [7] - 92:9,     71:11, 71:19, 72:2,          buck [1] - 60:16
 attack [4] - 104:18,
                          19:9, 49:1, 54:18,         96:15, 99:8, 102:12,      106:11                       bullet [2] - 113:5,
106:1, 109:13, 128:2
                          55:19, 57:24, 58:13,       134:23, 136:7, 141:8        board [1] - 24:19         113:6
 attacking [1] -
                          60:2, 69:2, 72:11,          besmirch [1] -             boards [2] - 126:5,        burden [4] - 131:17,
106:21
                          72:18, 75:15, 80:5,        125:13                    129:9                       131:18, 132:24
 attempt [2] - 40:18,
                          83:14, 89:21, 93:8,         best [3] - 57:13,                                     BURLING [1] - 1:21
41:11                                                                            body [2] - 52:4,
                          94:14, 97:24, 112:7,       92:18, 144:7                                           Burling [1] - 131:1
 attempts [5] -                                                                129:12
                          116:13                      better [2] - 22:13,
121:23, 121:25,                                                                  bones [3] - 111:8,         Business [1] - 9:5
                           baseless [1] - 128:12     132:9
135:14, 135:19, 138:8                                                          112:10                       business [3] - 11:5,
                           baseline [2] - 17:16,      between [21] - 18:20,                                11:9, 58:2
 attributable [1] -                                                              books [1] - 25:1
                          47:22                      19:15, 19:21, 20:16,
23:12                                                                            bottom [7] - 98:18,        busy [1] - 5:12
                           basic [2] - 51:13,        20:25, 21:4, 29:10,
 attribute [1] - 136:9                                                         101:8, 101:12,               but.. [1] - 107:18
                          119:24                     29:13, 29:16, 34:6,
 auditing [1] - 135:11                                                         107:22, 112:21,              buy [10] - 54:25,
                           basics [1] - 51:15        37:19, 38:8, 38:15,       115:2, 134:22
 August [2] - 125:20,                                                                                      56:24, 57:14, 58:5,
                           basis [4] - 6:18, 88:8,   43:12, 54:3, 86:12,         bought [1] - 24:1         65:24, 67:2, 115:9,
137:19
                          109:21, 120:19             105:2, 109:3, 120:18,                                 132:19, 140:15
 authority [1] - 113:7                                                           Boyer [7] - 4:8,
                           basket [1] - 28:10        139:20                    11:15, 14:11, 90:19,         Buy [1] - 55:3
 authorized [3] -
                           Bayer [1] - 11:1           beware [2] - 114:7,      91:5, 92:6, 104:25           buyer [1] - 114:7
24:18, 24:20, 51:1
                           became [1] - 50:20        140:21                      BRANDON [1] - 1:19         buyers [1] - 140:20
 authors [1] - 33:24
                           become [2] - 47:1,         beyond [5] - 20:3,         Brandon [1] - 49:20        buying [6] - 22:20,
 automatically [1] -
                          52:2                       95:3, 100:10, 118:5,        break [3] - 49:16,        58:20, 60:10, 72:22,
113:12
                           becomes [1] -             130:2                     82:17, 85:7                 132:18, 141:7
 available [13] - 5:20,
                          112:22                      big [1] - 139:20           breakdown [1] -            BY [62] - 2:1, 8:22,
15:10, 24:2, 42:2,
                           BEFORE [1] - 1:10          bigger [1] - 60:15       71:15                       9:11, 11:17, 12:7,
84:5, 91:22, 92:25,
                           began [5] - 128:8,         Bikundi [1] - 131:20       Brendan [1] - 4:18        14:13, 15:15, 18:10,
93:2, 93:6, 93:7, 93:9,
                          129:19, 132:1, 132:3,       bill [1] - 12:20           brief [8] - 8:6, 97:23,   25:25, 26:20, 27:13,
93:12, 138:14
                          133:24                      binder [3] - 58:23,      99:25, 111:1, 133:9,        30:8, 30:14, 35:15,
 Avenue [4] - 1:16,
                           begin [2] - 131:6,        58:25, 63:21              136:3, 141:12, 142:20       35:22, 45:23, 50:1,
1:24, 2:3, 144:14
                          131:25                      biotech [21] - 28:5,       briefing [6] - 98:22,     53:22, 56:19, 59:20,
 average [21] - 13:20,
                           beginning [4] -           28:14, 28:20, 29:11,      116:14, 124:22,             60:24, 62:6, 62:24,
13:23, 13:25, 14:22,
                          15:20, 22:7, 23:2,         29:17, 29:19, 34:12,      124:23, 139:3, 142:24       63:23, 64:24, 67:17,
14:23, 15:1, 25:14,
                          75:6                       34:20, 37:18, 37:22,        briefly [7] - 9:1,        68:3, 68:14, 69:6,
34:18, 39:6, 39:16,
40:10, 54:18, 66:4,        behalf [5] - 4:13,        37:23, 38:1, 38:3,        10:21, 11:8, 21:23,         70:3, 70:10, 71:7,
74:19, 74:20, 80:18,      30:11, 30:16, 30:18,       38:11, 39:6, 39:7,        70:9, 116:17, 125:4         72:1, 74:1, 74:24,
81:20, 83:15, 83:22,      49:19                      40:14, 41:25, 42:8,         bright [1] - 140:20       77:4, 79:14, 80:10,
126:10                     behind [1] - 4:18         43:3                        bring [1] - 11:15         81:14, 82:6, 84:7,
 averaged [2] - 39:5,      beliefs [1] - 121:5        biotech's [1] - 40:17      bringing [1] - 11:13      86:1, 88:11, 90:21,
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91:10, 91:18, 92:8,       119:16, 119:22,            certify [3] - 12:1,     125:25                      collides [1] - 140:6
95:10, 96:4, 97:6,        131:21, 134:18,           91:12, 144:4              circulates [1] -           Collins [3] - 4:13,
99:23, 100:17,            134:25, 135:1,             cetera [1] - 54:19      127:21                     5:2, 124:1
102:17, 104:10,           135:16, 135:20,            chairman [1] - 108:1     circulating [1] -          COLLINS [19] - 1:17,
104:13, 105:1, 107:3,     136:8, 137:1, 138:1,       challenging [1] -       127:25                     4:12, 5:4, 6:6, 6:11,
113:2, 115:7, 117:3,      138:4, 138:14,            111:1                     circumstances [2] -       7:11, 7:17, 7:24, 8:13,
118:9, 121:14             138:17, 139:12,            chance [2] - 70:11,     6:13, 45:7                 49:14, 49:19, 100:8,
                          139:13, 140:12,           70:14                     cite [1] - 135:1          115:25, 116:4,
           C              142:13                     change [12] - 13:2,      cited [1] - 33:19         116:11, 124:6,
                           Case [2] - 4:2, 85:16    23:12, 28:14, 40:10,      claim [5] - 108:17,       124:10, 124:12,
                           cases [8] - 10:16,       43:4, 46:17, 78:2,       111:19, 112:4,             124:21
 calculate [9] - 13:18,   32:22, 32:24, 53:10,      81:17, 81:23, 81:25,     126:12, 126:21              colloquy [1] - 6:23
74:15, 83:15, 84:11,      53:13, 84:15, 134:20,     107:14, 129:22            claiming [2] - 127:5,      colluding [1] -
105:19, 105:21,           137:16                     changed [2] - 45:7      127:12                     102:23
106:3, 106:10, 133:16      cash [3] - 24:25,         changes [15] - 19:24,    claims [1] - 128:19        COLUMBIA [1] - 1:1
 calculated [6] -         32:19, 46:15              20:16, 23:19, 23:22,      clarify [3] - 42:1,        Columbia [6] - 2:2,
14:23, 15:1, 53:11,        cashed [1] - 24:12       28:4, 28:16, 38:10,      70:18, 79:15               9:5, 9:13, 144:13
80:16, 82:1, 106:7
                           causation [1] -          41:18, 43:2, 43:3,        class [2] - 30:19,         column [1] - 44:17
 calculating [3] -
                          132:14                    44:25, 45:4, 65:14,      57:19                       comfortable [1] -
20:22, 22:10, 25:13
                           caused [4] - 14:5,       81:18, 81:24              classification [3] -      17:6
 calculation [9] -
                          14:6, 21:6, 23:6           channels [1] - 67:4     41:2, 41:3, 41:5            coming [5] - 7:18,
12:15, 13:14, 13:17,
                           causes [1] - 78:1         characteristic [1] -     Clayton [1] - 108:1       39:20, 52:17, 59:15,
18:8, 18:25, 19:5,
                           causing [1] - 119:17     65:14                     clear [6] - 75:5, 75:7,   73:3
21:22, 29:25, 82:2
                           caution [2] - 115:15,     characterize [2] -      77:2, 77:22, 119:12         Comment [1] -
 calculations [11] -
                          115:19                    39:12, 109:14             clearly [5] - 78:1,       136:22
13:9, 16:5, 40:22,
                           caveat [29] - 65:15,      characterized [2] -     78:16, 81:9, 89:16,         comments [1] -
53:13, 75:15, 80:14,
                          66:7, 66:17, 67:8,        17:22, 26:12             103:13                     121:1
83:17, 83:25, 133:15,
                          67:20, 72:22, 73:2,        charge [1] - 109:21      clerks [1] - 139:7         Commission [4] -
140:11, 141:11
                          74:5, 75:10, 77:25,        charging [1] - 106:8     click [1] - 73:1          61:11, 62:9, 108:14,
 California [1] - 11:2
                          79:25, 84:3, 103:14,       Charles [1] - 66:9       client's [1] - 6:8        126:24
 cannot [4] - 89:12,
                          104:1, 109:24, 111:8,      chart [16] - 16:3,       clients [1] - 52:25        committed [1] -
96:7, 125:2, 135:1
                          111:18, 112:10,           26:21, 26:25, 27:4,       clinical [1] - 128:14     103:19
 cap [7] - 25:22,
                          112:20, 112:21,           35:16, 35:23, 36:2,       close [1] - 119:1          commodities [1] -
34:18, 55:12, 57:20,
                          113:24, 114:14,           36:5, 42:7, 43:21,        closely [2] - 122:23,     51:21
57:21
                          114:18, 114:25,           43:24, 44:1, 44:3,       142:1                       Commodity [1] -
 capital [1] - 51:6       115:2, 117:5, 117:10,     44:16, 79:11              closest [2] - 29:2,       52:6
 Capital [1] - 10:22      117:15, 126:16             charts [1] - 68:23      111:23                      common [25] - 10:2,
 capitalization [8] -      center [1] - 66:22        chat [1] - 7:9           closing [8] - 13:4,       32:15, 32:22, 32:23,
25:23, 36:14, 36:19,       cents [11] - 14:23,       check [4] - 31:10,      14:19, 14:22, 35:24,       33:4, 39:17, 39:22,
54:18, 54:21, 55:25,      15:2, 15:4, 35:24,        33:12, 35:3, 37:8        36:3, 42:22, 42:23,        40:12, 45:24, 46:2,
57:21, 57:22              36:4, 36:23, 47:12,        chief [6] - 50:18,      43:2                       46:11, 46:13, 46:22,
 caps [2] - 34:14         83:24, 129:18, 133:2,     51:18, 72:9, 73:11,       codes [1] - 41:6          46:24, 47:1, 47:2,
 captured [4] - 22:22,    133:3                     76:8, 92:12               coefficient [1] -         76:2, 82:11, 82:14,
43:10, 111:24, 123:16      CEO [2] - 114:3,          choice [1] - 41:22      43:14                      82:18, 82:21, 83:9,
 captures [1] - 25:22     115:20                     choices [2] - 58:3,      coerced [1] - 105:13      83:11, 132:11
 career [4] - 50:11,       certain [5] - 46:21,     73:18                     cognizant [1] - 103:4      community [1] -
50:15, 51:9, 52:2         53:24, 57:11, 89:25,       choose [2] - 17:2,       coherent [1] - 41:7       125:25
 carefully [1] - 36:21    98:12                     111:19                    collaborate [1] -          companies [40] -
 Carl [2] - 98:2, 98:7     certainly [10] - 7:14,    chooses [1] - 110:2     67:18                      22:3, 26:8, 28:23,
 Carlisle [2] - 98:5,     34:9, 36:11, 38:12,                                                           29:3, 33:15, 34:11,
                                                     choosing [1] -           collapse [1] - 129:24
98:6                      105:21, 119:9,                                                                34:13, 34:19, 34:20,
                                                    103:21                    colleague [2] - 10:5,
 Carlton [1] - 98:4       119:10, 122:16,                                                               34:21, 35:1, 35:2,
                                                     chose [4] - 97:20,      49:21
 case [40] - 6:20, 7:3,   122:20, 127:16                                                                35:5, 35:6, 35:13,
                                                    98:24, 106:8, 112:6       colleagues [2] -
10:23, 11:12, 11:13,       certainty [1] - 37:5                                                         35:14, 38:7, 38:8,
                                                     Christopher [1] - 4:7   4:15, 7:19
23:7, 30:20, 30:21,        Certificate [1] -                                                            38:20, 39:1, 39:3,
                                                     CHRISTOPHER [1] -        collect [2] - 13:1,
30:22, 32:25, 39:4,       91:11                                                                         39:10, 39:13, 39:18,
                                                    1:14                     13:21
66:2, 66:19, 70:5,         CERTIFICATE [1] -                                                            39:21, 39:22, 39:23,
                                                     Circuit [4] - 131:20,    collected [2] - 13:3,
74:12, 75:4, 76:17,       144:1                                                                         40:2, 40:5, 40:8, 40:9,
                                                    135:21, 138:17,          13:6
79:1, 86:4, 87:12,         certified [2] - 91:7,                                                        40:12, 40:14, 40:18,
                                                    140:12                    collectively [1] -
87:23, 113:15,            118:6                                                                         41:7, 41:8, 50:22,
                                                     circulated [1] -        71:11
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56:6, 127:5, 127:11       118:22                     constructed [1] -        35:19, 62:14, 63:9,        counsel [8] - 4:8,
  companion [1] -          concluded [3] - 20:2,    34:23                     64:1, 70:17, 77:9,        11:12, 54:2, 54:3,
61:21                     21:1, 143:6                constructing [1] -       91:12, 100:19             71:18, 75:1, 116:3,
  company [34] - 13:7,     conclusion [4] -         41:16                      core [1] - 130:13        124:9
18:1, 19:24, 22:18,       37:15, 46:18, 84:17,       consult [2] - 123:3,      coronavirus [2] -         counter [11] - 28:20,
24:10, 24:25, 25:1,       84:20                     124:7                     95:14, 96:7               28:21, 33:8, 33:16,
33:2, 38:18, 39:5,         conclusions [2] -         consulted [1] - 33:1      Corp [4] - 92:13,        33:25, 40:23, 54:10,
39:14, 39:15, 42:18,      48:11, 84:9                Consulting [1] -         92:16, 107:22, 108:6      54:12, 54:14, 54:23,
46:2, 46:17, 54:25,        conditions [5] - 45:9,   52:20                      corporate [4] -          56:20
65:4, 67:13, 76:9,        45:11, 118:1, 118:3,       consulting [6] - 11:5,   120:8, 120:12,             counterfactual [1] -
82:14, 82:22, 101:16,     118:11                    11:10, 11:14, 31:8,       120:14, 121:2             18:5
108:12, 109:7,             conduct [14] - 16:25,    52:24                      correct [107] - 5:3,      couple [5] - 6:12,
115:20, 115:21,           19:9, 20:9, 29:6,          contain [6] - 46:10,     14:10, 20:6, 20:8,        28:9, 53:8, 82:7,
117:13, 117:16,           122:19, 125:16,           71:12, 83:8, 95:16,       23:14, 24:17, 25:12,      126:22
125:7, 125:9, 130:14,     128:1, 128:14,            96:8, 97:1                25:18, 31:6, 31:11,        course [8] - 40:6,
138:21, 139:17, 140:1     128:24, 129:4,             contained [6] -          31:13, 31:14, 31:25,      46:8, 105:14, 124:20,
  company's [4] -         129:11, 129:13,           92:17, 93:18, 138:23,     33:9, 33:12, 33:14,       125:19, 126:8,
21:4, 61:3, 126:3,        130:11, 137:24            138:24, 139:21, 142:3     33:18, 35:4, 38:21,       126:14, 126:19
130:2                      conducted [1] -           contemplated [1] -       40:6, 40:25, 42:9,         court [5] - 10:15,
  comparable [1] -        120:4                     21:25                     44:8, 44:11, 44:21,       10:19, 30:16, 52:15,
34:15                      conducting [2] -          contemplating [1] -      46:3, 47:17, 53:3,        52:16
  comparator [3] -        118:10, 119:18            11:12                     55:18, 69:9, 69:11,        COURT [130] - 1:1,
28:11, 37:18, 45:19        conference [3] -          content [1] - 57:8       76:5, 79:19, 79:20,       4:11, 4:20, 5:23, 6:7,
  compare [5] - 37:21,    6:24, 85:9, 134:12         continue [5] - 49:17,    82:15, 82:22, 86:5,       7:8, 7:16, 7:22, 7:25,
38:6, 43:23, 131:12,       confirmatory [1] -       79:13, 95:8, 125:13,      86:9, 86:11, 87:6,        8:10, 8:15, 8:19, 9:8,
139:7                     113:21                    127:24                    87:14, 87:21, 87:24,      11:23, 12:4, 15:5,
  compared [3] - 38:7,     conflict [2] - 5:18,      continued [11] -         89:20, 89:24, 90:2,       15:14, 16:6, 17:9,
74:20, 120:9              128:18                    77:23, 78:6, 78:20,       90:4, 90:8, 90:9,         18:9, 23:23, 24:14,
  comparing [1] - 38:8     confounding [3] -        104:5, 104:11, 119:8,     91:12, 91:20, 92:17,      25:5, 25:24, 27:10,
  comparison [3] -        132:13, 133:13,           125:10, 128:11,           92:21, 92:24, 93:15,      30:5, 30:10, 30:13,
13:20, 43:25, 130:17      133:18                    128:24, 135:9, 136:1      93:16, 93:20, 93:21,      35:10, 47:6, 47:14,
  complete [8] - 12:25,    confused [1] - 81:2       continuing [1] -         94:11, 94:17, 94:20,      47:18, 48:9, 49:1,
48:21, 68:13, 130:10,      Connecticut [2] -        128:3                     94:21, 95:22, 95:23,      49:4, 49:7, 49:10,
131:15, 139:10,           139:24, 139:25             contract [1] - 12:19     96:16, 96:20, 97:2,       49:13, 49:17, 49:23,
141:15, 144:6              connection [3] -          contrast [1] - 139:20    97:9, 97:18, 98:1,        53:18, 56:8, 56:18,
  completely [1] -        10:19, 18:13, 31:13        contravene [1] -         98:16, 98:23, 98:25,      59:1, 59:5, 59:8,
134:20                     consequence [1] -        134:21                    99:13, 100:2, 101:4,      59:11, 60:8, 60:21,
  completion [1] - 78:6   75:23                      controls [1] - 74:3      101:6, 101:7, 102:1,      62:20, 62:23, 63:15,
  complex [2] - 53:16,     consider [3] - 51:25,                              102:2, 102:4, 102:6,      64:21, 65:23, 66:3,
                                                     conversion [2] -
53:20                     74:25, 119:3                                        103:3, 108:10,            67:1, 67:9, 67:15,
                                                    46:25, 83:1
  compliance [10] -        consideration [1] -                                108:24, 112:8,            68:2, 68:12, 69:24,
                                                     conversions [4] -
50:10, 50:14, 50:16,      32:18                                               112:14, 112:16,           71:2, 77:14, 77:17,
                                                    32:11, 82:9, 83:13
50:18, 50:19, 50:21,       considering [1] -                                  112:18, 113:3, 113:9,     78:5, 78:18, 78:21,
                                                     convert [1] - 46:22
51:18, 72:9, 73:11,       45:11                                               113:10, 113:14,           79:1, 79:13, 80:24,
                                                     converted [3] -
76:8                                                                          113:20, 114:1, 114:2,     81:2, 81:10, 81:13,
                           consist [1] - 39:1       24:10, 32:15, 82:25
  compliance/chief [1]                                                        114:21, 114:25,           82:4, 85:6, 85:18,
                           consistent [9] -          convertible [2] -
- 50:20                                                                       115:17, 115:21,           85:22, 88:8, 88:10,
                          29:15, 34:3, 34:25,       32:14, 32:20
  compute [1] - 13:23                                                         117:23, 118:2,            91:16, 92:5, 95:5,
                          36:5, 42:5, 42:13,         converting [6] -
  conceal [3] - 135:14,                                                       121:16, 122:2, 123:3,     95:7, 97:5, 99:18,
                          44:9, 44:12, 133:23       32:20, 46:1, 46:12,
135:19, 138:8                                                                 128:25, 136:13            99:21, 100:7, 100:12,
                           consistently [4] -       82:13, 82:20, 83:10
  concept [1] - 117:7                                                          corrective [3] -         102:16, 104:12,
                          26:11, 40:11, 40:12,       convince [1] -
  concern [3] - 26:14,                                                        48:21, 101:20, 125:1      106:24, 112:25,
                          45:4                      121:23
38:25, 127:25                                                                  correlated [5] - 28:3,   115:4, 115:24, 116:2,
                           consisting [1] - 28:6     convinced [4] -
  concerned [1] -                                                             28:14, 37:16, 40:11,      116:6, 116:9, 116:15,
                           consists [1] - 40:14     104:14, 104:17,
108:5                                                                         43:15                     116:18, 116:21,
                           constitute [2] -         105:25, 106:16
                                                                               correlation [7] -        118:8, 121:11,
  concerning [5] -        105:17, 119:7              convincing [1] -
                                                                              20:15, 29:9, 29:13,       123:23, 124:1, 124:8,
13:7, 15:20, 16:25,        constitutes [2] -        133:1
                                                                              29:17, 38:14, 43:12,      124:11, 124:20,
29:19, 101:16             103:15, 144:4              cool [1] - 98:14
                                                                              43:18                     124:23, 126:8,
  concerns [1] - 113:9     Constitution [2] -        copies [1] - 100:5
                                                                               Counsel [1] - 4:4        126:20, 127:20,
  conclude [2] - 21:5,    2:3, 144:14                copy [9] - 11:18,
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128:18, 129:21,           122:9                      70:19, 71:21, 72:6,       28:20, 29:4, 29:10,        defendant [3] -
130:22, 130:24,             CROSS-                   75:17, 75:24, 76:22,      29:14, 29:16, 29:18,      30:17, 30:19, 30:24
132:1, 132:7, 132:21,     EXAMINATION [2] -          77:2, 79:18, 79:21,       34:15, 37:12, 37:20,       DEFENDANT [2] -
132:25, 134:1, 134:8,     30:7, 85:24                79:22, 80:11, 80:19,      37:22, 38:13, 38:16,      1:17, 3:7
136:11, 136:24,             cross-examination        80:20, 81:9, 81:15,       43:2, 45:5, 63:2,          Defendant's [24] -
137:3, 138:1, 138:17,     [2] - 85:18, 122:9         86:12, 86:13, 86:17,      92:13, 92:15, 107:22,     3:14, 3:15, 3:16, 3:17,
141:9, 142:17,              Cross-Section [1] -      86:19, 89:3, 89:7,        108:5, 108:12,            3:18, 3:19, 3:20, 16:1,
142:21, 142:23            33:20                      89:8, 90:14, 91:2,        125:10, 127:13,           16:25, 60:22, 62:21,
 Court [31] - 2:1, 2:2,     crossbones [9] -         91:6, 91:19, 91:23,       128:13                    63:16, 64:22, 69:25,
5:11, 5:12, 5:14, 6:23,   65:16, 66:4, 66:8,         97:20, 97:23, 100:18,      decision [1] - 79:12     71:3, 77:15, 86:14,
8:8, 9:2, 10:25, 11:3,    67:25, 68:4, 114:8,        100:23, 100:25,            decisions [3] - 58:8,    88:1, 88:4, 92:23,
12:24, 14:16, 18:11,      126:13, 140:17,            101:15, 112:3, 112:6,     115:16, 115:20            98:9, 98:10, 104:21,
19:8, 59:4, 74:9,         140:18                     112:9, 112:12,             declaration [1] - 77:5   125:13
78:11, 102:14,              CRR [3] - 2:1, 144:3,    112:17, 118:18,            decline [4] - 13:13,      DEFENDER [1] -
105:23, 116:12,           144:12                     118:21, 118:24,           14:5, 21:5, 26:14         1:24
116:13, 124:15,             cryptocurrencies [1]     123:8, 135:9, 143:2        DECN [51] - 6:15,         Defender's [1] - 4:17
124:22, 125:12,           - 79:3                      dated [5] - 62:8,        32:7, 35:23, 36:3,         defense [5] - 8:8,
125:18, 131:3, 131:4,       culpability [1] - 6:8    63:3, 107:23, 108:14,     37:16, 38:18, 38:20,      21:9, 30:6, 49:13,
135:23, 144:12,             cure [1] - 95:15         109:3                     40:19, 40:24, 42:11,      130:6
144:13                      current [5] - 11:18,      Dated [1] - 144:10       42:22, 44:4, 44:14,        DEFENSE [1] - 49:22
 Court's [9] - 33:3,      51:8, 52:18, 52:22,         dates [13] - 15:9,       44:19, 55:1, 55:13,        Defense [4] - 59:13,
45:22, 67:22, 82:3,       61:10                      15:13, 21:8, 21:11,       55:19, 58:6, 62:8,        98:13, 98:15, 112:19
116:1, 123:21,              curve [1] - 133:2        74:23, 75:16, 76:19,      64:13, 64:15, 65:7,        defer [1] - 5:12
124:16, 124:18, 130:8       customer [1] - 76:12     80:8, 84:1, 85:2, 89:9,   65:14, 66:7, 71:14,        define [1] - 31:23
 COURTROOM [3] -            customers [5] - 51:3,    123:16, 142:13            72:15, 73:3, 75:18,        defined [5] - 13:22,
4:1, 59:15, 85:15         51:6, 71:14, 71:15,         Daubert [2] - 10:24,     76:23, 89:19, 89:25,      14:20, 55:23, 56:16,
 courts [3] - 133:7,      73:14                      11:3                      90:8, 93:15, 94:5,        137:1
137:16, 138:12              CV [2] - 11:18, 31:19     days [5] - 14:24,        94:13, 95:11, 96:5,        definitely [1] - 28:18
 COVID [3] - 75:6,          cybercriminals [1] -     47:11, 57:11, 80:21,      98:18, 101:12,             defrauded [1] - 87:8
79:7, 127:6               102:23                     106:11                    103:21, 105:6,             degree [2] - 9:3,
 COVID-19 [8] -                                       deal [2] - 82:8, 110:8   113:25, 114:3, 115:9,     106:12
58:16, 64:12, 95:25,                                  dealer [9] - 50:25,      115:12, 130:9, 132:4,
101:15, 101:17,
                                     D               55:1, 55:6, 56:23,        136:1, 140:15,
                                                                                                          delay [1] - 5:1
                                                                                                          delisted [1] - 36:10
102:1, 127:1, 127:4                                  66:10, 71:12, 72:16,      140:16, 141:7              delivery [1] - 91:13
 COVID-related [1] -       D.C [7] - 1:6, 1:16,      114:17                     DECN's [11] - 36:19,      demands [1] - 82:2
127:6                     1:22, 1:25, 2:4,            dealer-to-dealer [1] -   37:10, 44:8, 44:25,        demonstrable [1] -
 COVINGTON [1] -          131:20, 144:14             55:6                      46:6, 46:9, 67:11,        101:22
1:21                       daily [4] - 20:16,         dealers [11] - 50:23,    68:6, 83:5, 83:7,
                                                                                                          demonstrate [1] -
 Covington [3] - 4:13,    23:19, 23:22, 54:18        50:24, 57:2, 61:23,       140:19
                                                                                                         67:23
4:16, 131:1                damage [1] - 106:10       66:13, 71:10, 72:7,        decrease [1] - 58:18
                                                                                                          demonstrative [6] -
 CPAG [1] - 27:2           damages [3] - 53:13,      72:18, 78:1, 80:2,         decreased [1] -          16:3, 72:4, 74:22,
 craze [1] - 78:25        105:22, 106:7              141:1                     44:20                     77:1, 80:7, 80:24
 credible [1] - 61:9       danger [6] - 36:9,         dealing [1] - 77:24       deemed [1] - 10:18        Demonstrative [1] -
 Credit [1] - 10:23       67:7, 110:3, 111:5,         deals [1] - 51:5          deep [1] - 79:8          14:12
 CREF [1] - 50:19         114:9, 129:25               debt [2] - 24:10,         Defendant [41] - 1:7,     demonstratives [1] -
 crime [8] - 87:2,         dangerous [4] -           24:24                     16:21, 23:7, 54:4,        67:18
87:9, 87:14, 87:20,       72:19, 73:17, 73:21,        deceitful [1] - 94:6     87:3, 87:5, 87:8,          denial [5] - 96:14,
87:22, 103:19,            104:3                       December [7] -           87:23, 89:13, 89:16,      96:20, 96:25, 102:3,
103:20, 125:8              dangers [1] - 78:15       14:21, 14:25, 17:6,       90:3, 90:22, 91:19,       102:18
 criminal [3] - 31:4,      Dark [1] - 33:20          129:1, 130:1, 134:4,      92:21, 93:22, 94:10,
                                                                                                          denials [1] - 109:10
31:8, 129:13               data [13] - 13:1, 13:3,   134:17                    94:18, 94:22, 95:21,
                                                                                                          denied [1] - 10:25
 Criminal [4] - 1:3,      13:4, 13:7, 14:19,          decide [3] - 58:4,       99:11, 101:25, 103:1,
                                                                                                          denies [1] - 127:19
1:15, 4:2, 85:16          22:1, 24:5, 26:25,         58:5, 61:12               103:7, 104:8, 104:11,
                                                                                                          denying [3] - 94:10,
 criteria [4] - 28:22,    29:5, 36:5, 40:22,          decided [2] - 137:1,     105:25, 106:16,
                                                                                                         94:18, 95:22
35:4, 36:16, 40:15        41:13, 71:18               137:19                    106:20, 107:6, 125:3,
                                                                                                          DEPARTMENT [1] -
 critical [1] - 125:9      database [1] - 13:4        Decision [36] - 13:7,    125:5, 125:17, 126:5,
                                                                                                         1:15
 Cross [2] - 3:3, 33:20    date [56] - 15:17,        18:16, 20:17, 20:25,      127:14, 128:8,
                                                                                                          Department [8] -
 CROSS [2] - 30:7,        15:21, 16:1, 16:19,        22:2, 23:12, 23:20,       128:11, 129:7,
                                                                                                         12:8, 12:11, 16:15,
85:24                     16:22, 17:2, 17:3,         26:8, 26:12, 26:22,       129:18, 130:10,
                                                                                                         122:11, 122:12,
 cross [2] - 85:18,       17:4, 64:3, 69:15,         27:15, 28:3, 28:14,       130:19, 141:18
                                                                                                         122:13, 126:9, 135:16
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 deposed [1] - 30:21       45:5, 125:10              124:4, 125:1, 131:5,       Division [1] - 1:15                 E
 depreciated [1] -          difference [6] -         131:13, 131:14,            division's [2] - 31:4,
142:8                      13:23, 13:24, 14:3,       133:8, 133:12,            31:8
 DEPUTY [3] - 4:1,         15:3, 48:3, 84:11         135:18, 136:17,            docket [1] - 5:12         E*TRADE [1] -
59:15, 85:15                differences [3] -        137:17, 138:7, 138:9,      doctored [1] - 135:6     111:12
 derivative [2] -          34:6, 34:9, 43:5          138:13, 138:16,            document [32] -           earliest [3] - 93:11,
32:14, 32:21                different [26] - 14:1,   139:10, 140:3, 140:5,     59:4, 59:21, 62:7,        111:22, 112:9
 deriving [1] - 39:10      21:24, 38:7, 38:15,       141:15, 142:13            62:10, 62:12, 62:25,       early [4] - 18:3, 60:5,
 describe [3] - 11:8,      39:2, 42:22, 46:5,         disclosures [7] -        63:3, 63:5, 63:7,         70:7, 108:13
56:20, 57:5                48:15, 51:3, 51:4,        21:17, 22:2, 24:4,        63:25, 64:3, 64:6,         earnings [1] - 113:9
 described [3] -           54:6, 55:5, 55:16,        33:2, 88:17, 101:20,      64:8, 69:2, 69:7,          easier [2] - 59:8,
14:19, 43:1, 111:6         55:24, 58:11, 60:13,      130:6                     69:12, 69:16, 70:4,       70:16
 describes [1] - 107:7     60:16, 61:9, 61:23,        discovered [1] -         70:15, 77:7, 77:9,         easily [3] - 78:11,
 describing [2] - 6:3,     63:21, 66:11, 84:1,       79:24                     92:25, 93:6, 93:10,       91:9, 106:7
44:2                       88:17, 108:7, 137:21       discovery [1] - 54:3     93:17, 94:22, 97:14,       eating [1] - 141:18
 description [2] -          differently [3] -         discrete [1] - 134:14    97:15, 100:21,             economic [6] - 9:19,
38:21, 114:6               31:24, 70:22, 126:11       discussed [9] -          107:16, 113:24,           10:7, 10:14, 45:7,
 design [2] - 73:10,        difficult [2] - 57:12,   27:23, 53:1, 72:21,       127:18                    47:24, 48:11
73:13                      67:6                      83:18, 84:1, 121:20,       documents [7] -           economically [1] -
 designation [4] -          diligence [2] -          122:17, 122:24            33:1, 68:18, 80:5,        24:13
77:25, 103:14,             115:15, 115:19             discusses [1] -          93:14, 106:8, 109:3,       economics [16] -
109:25, 112:22              dimension [1] - 39:4     74:23                     139:21                    9:5, 10:10, 10:11,
 designed [1] - 73:5        direct [3] - 18:4,        discussing [8] -          DOJ's [1] - 31:4         12:2, 12:6, 16:17,
 destroyed [1] -           95:4, 122:8               18:5, 33:6, 36:18,         dollar [2] - 36:9,       17:8, 18:19, 19:9,
135:12                      DIRECT [2] - 8:21,       37:17, 40:22, 42:9,       36:10                     19:13, 38:5, 38:22,
 detail [5] - 114:5,       49:24                     42:14, 117:20              done [4] - 31:16,        40:16, 42:5, 48:20,
138:23, 138:24,             Direct [1] - 3:3          Discussion [2] -         69:19, 84:15, 89:3        119:20
138:25, 139:21              directed [1] - 58:2      116:3, 124:9               doubt [2] - 79:24,        Economics [1] -
 detailed [3] - 63:1,       direction [1] - 40:13     discussion [2] - 5:8,    129:5                     10:12
101:16, 141:2               directly [2] - 100:15,   122:21                     down [10] - 38:2,         economist [2] - 10:2,
 details [1] - 61:21       108:17                     disparity [1] - 120:18   43:22, 49:8, 64:15,       17:6
 detect [3] - 6:22, 7:7,    director [1] - 50:16      display [1] - 58:24      67:12, 82:17, 111:7,       education [1] - 50:6
76:14                       directors [1] - 24:19     dispositive [1] -        116:7, 123:24, 133:3       EDWARDS [2] - 2:1,
 determine [7] - 16:5,      disagree [6] - 6:6,      105:23                     dozens [3] - 106:1,      144:3
16:10, 19:3, 19:4,         126:21, 131:5,             dispute [3] - 30:23,     106:4, 106:16              Edwards [1] - 144:12
23:10, 80:13, 119:4        131:23, 133:6, 136:16     98:24, 131:17              Dr [7] - 7:13, 23:23,     effect [6] - 20:1,
 determining [2] -          disagreeing [1] - 6:5     disqualify [1] - 10:24   30:9, 47:9, 116:16,       48:24, 58:17, 65:11,
23:16, 118:13               disagreement [1] -        dissimilar [1] - 38:18   124:2, 124:13             123:20, 129:23
 detour [1] - 136:3        86:12                      dissipate [1] -           draft [1] - 105:4         effective [1] - 110:11
 developed [2] -            disbelieve [4] -         119:17                     draw [1] - 48:11          effectively [2] - 20:2,
95:14, 95:25               104:15, 106:1,             dissipated [1] -          draws [1] - 72:4         24:12
 developing [1] - 96:7     106:16, 121:4             118:22                     Drug [1] - 101:18         effects [2] - 28:17,
 development [2] -          disclose [3] - 34:1,      dissipation [1] -         due [2] - 115:15,        137:23
5:7, 6:14                  136:25, 137:8             123:17                    115:19                     efficient [1] - 137:22
 diabetics [1] -            disclosed [22] - 53:5,    distinct [2] - 58:17,     duly [1] - 92:13          efforts [1] - 125:13
101:14                     74:21, 75:18, 76:19,      75:4                       during [13] - 5:8,        eight [1] - 97:7
 Diagnostics [28] -        76:23, 77:19, 79:19,       distinction [1] -        15:1, 22:3, 22:19,         Eighth [2] - 135:21,
13:8, 18:16, 20:17,        81:8, 81:16, 81:22,       32:16                     22:21, 23:20, 25:17,      138:17
20:25, 22:2, 23:20,        84:22, 84:25, 86:19,       distorted [1] -          44:13, 48:18, 118:21,      either [10] - 17:9,
26:9, 26:12, 26:22,        88:20, 111:5, 112:1,      125:15                    126:3, 127:9, 131:13      23:5, 24:24, 25:19,
28:3, 28:14, 28:20,        130:14, 136:18,            DISTRICT [3] - 1:1,       duties [1] - 52:22       33:7, 34:14, 49:6,
29:4, 29:14, 29:16,        136:21, 139:17,           1:1, 1:11                  duty [1] - 76:16         66:16, 72:22, 140:21
34:16, 37:20, 37:22,       139:22                     district [1] - 144:13     DX [16] - 59:13,          either/or [1] - 32:16
38:16, 43:2, 63:2,          disclosure [36] -         District [14] - 2:2,     60:18, 62:5, 62:17,        electronic [3] -
92:13, 92:16, 107:22,      33:19, 48:21, 80:11,      2:2, 10:23, 11:2,         62:23, 63:12, 63:18,      35:18, 66:13, 91:13
108:5, 108:12,             81:16, 84:18, 86:15,      52:15, 135:4, 135:5,      64:18, 69:5, 69:21,        electronically [4] -
127:14, 128:13             89:5, 89:11, 89:13,       137:19, 139:15,           70:2, 70:24, 71:5,        55:3, 55:16, 59:12,
 Diagnostics' [8] -        103:15, 104:2,            139:16, 139:24,           77:3, 77:11, 83:19        66:21
23:12, 27:16, 29:10,       105:12, 111:21,           139:25, 144:13                                       element [2] - 87:13,
29:18, 37:13, 38:13,       112:6, 117:15, 119:9,      divided [1] - 134:14                               87:19
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 elements [1] - 53:9      27:12, 31:19, 60:22,      70:1, 70:25, 71:4,        131:9, 139:24              experts' [1] - 142:24
 Eleventh [1] - 140:12    62:22, 63:17, 64:23,      72:17, 74:9, 77:12,        excused [3] - 49:9,       explain [15] - 14:2,
 ELMO [1] - 100:6         70:1, 71:4, 77:16         77:16, 80:4, 84:3,        116:8, 123:25             15:16, 18:11, 19:23,
 embedded [1] -            entering [3] - 73:1,     97:19, 119:3, 135:13,      executed [1] - 55:8      45:4, 50:25, 52:10,
45:18                     75:14, 107:11             137:11                     execution [2] -          52:18, 52:22, 53:7,
 emergency [1] -           entire [4] - 34:10,        EVIDENCE [1] - 3:9      55:10, 57:1               54:12, 59:23, 74:18,
101:17                    35:13, 90:24, 93:12         evidentiary [1] -        executive [2] -          78:19, 79:21
 emphasize [1] -           entirely [1] - 122:3     112:2                     92:12, 117:16              explained [4] -
114:8                      entirety [2] - 15:24,      EVIDENTIARY [1] -        exercising [1] -         12:23, 33:24, 41:14,
 empirically [1] -        16:22                     1:10                      115:19                    41:22
112:11                     entitled [1] - 8:13        exact [5] - 34:17,       Exhibit [33] - 3:11,      explaining [2] - 37:6,
 employed [2] - 9:12,      entity [3] - 24:15,      122:5, 123:4, 123:7,      3:12, 3:14, 3:15, 3:16,   120:4
13:12                     50:12, 51:5               123:10                    3:17, 3:18, 3:19, 3:20,    explanation [1] -
 employment [2] -          equally [2] - 17:15,       exactly [6] - 33:13,    11:16, 11:21, 11:24,      114:19
31:25, 50:22              46:24                     37:1, 48:3, 67:24,        14:12, 26:19, 27:8,        explicit [1] - 75:21
 emptor [29] - 65:16,      equities [2] - 50:16,    134:5, 138:8              27:11, 29:23, 35:17,       exposed [4] - 47:2,
66:8, 66:17, 67:8,        51:2                        exam [2] - 49:21,       59:13, 60:22, 62:21,      47:3, 100:14, 133:3
67:20, 72:23, 73:2,        equity [1] - 57:18       51:21                     63:16, 64:22, 69:25,       express [1] - 60:14
74:5, 75:10, 77:25,        errors [1] - 139:18        examination [3] -       71:3, 77:15, 90:20,        extend [1] - 78:11
79:25, 84:4, 103:14,       especially [1] - 52:4    51:19, 85:18, 122:9       98:13, 98:15, 99:25,       extended [1] -
104:1, 109:24, 111:8,      ESQ [10] - 1:14, 1:14,     EXAMINATION [6] -       104:20, 107:15,           134:23
111:18, 112:10,           1:17, 1:18, 1:18, 1:19,   8:21, 30:7, 49:24,        112:19                     extent [5] - 18:16,
112:20, 112:21,           1:19, 1:20, 1:20, 1:23    85:24, 117:2, 121:13       exhibit [6] - 16:4,      19:12, 124:12, 130:7,
113:24, 114:14,            essence [1] - 113:23       examine [5] - 13:13,    31:20, 34:1, 58:23,       130:18
114:18, 114:25,            essentially [5] -        18:16, 18:24, 19:6,       71:6, 100:5                external [8] - 13:14,
115:2, 117:5, 117:10,     11:4, 40:4, 42:21,        45:3                       exhibits [1] - 58:23     19:7, 19:16, 19:17,
117:15, 126:16            43:5, 48:13                 examined [4] -           EXHIBITS [1] - 3:9       38:9, 45:3, 45:6,
 enacted [1] - 133:7       estimate [7] - 12:15,    20:14, 21:1, 21:10,        exist [1] - 107:11       45:14
 encouraged [1] -         13:9, 18:19, 19:5,        28:2                       existed [3] - 127:12,     extra [2] - 120:20,
115:14                    30:1, 48:7, 119:23          examining [1] -         128:20, 129:14            121:8
 end [7] - 22:8, 25:15,    estimated [1] - 23:21    123:8                      existing [7] - 32:20,     extraordinary [1] -
91:2, 131:25, 132:9,       estimates [2] -            example [16] - 18:4,    46:1, 46:12, 82:13,       126:20
133:15, 137:24            19:20, 23:11              19:18, 21:18, 24:9,       82:21, 83:10, 101:13       extrapolation [1] -
 ended [4] - 77:18,        estimation [1] -         28:23, 36:24, 38:19,       expect [3] - 38:12,      25:10
133:25, 135:17,           36:19                     46:20, 60:3, 60:10,       38:14, 48:20               extreme [1] - 130:8
135:24                     et [1] - 54:19           95:21, 95:24, 114:3,       expectations [1] -        eyeballing [1] -
 ending [1] - 75:2         EUA [3] - 128:11,        121:19, 132:16, 135:3     45:8                      47:14
 ends [5] - 80:25,        128:15, 129:10              exams [2] - 7:20,        expected [1] - 74:8
81:4, 129:2, 129:5,        evaluate [9] - 12:12,    51:17                      expecting [1] - 5:3                  F
129:6                     12:14, 13:2, 13:11,         excellent [2] - 79:2,    experience [16] -
 enforcement [1] -        15:9, 16:15, 23:17,       137:4                     31:20, 31:23, 34:18,
109:6                                                 Exchange [6] -          41:4, 50:9, 56:10,         F.3d [3] - 131:20,
                          28:13, 45:15
 engage [2] - 104:5,                                51:18, 52:5, 52:7,        57:24, 58:13, 61:7,       135:21, 140:12
                           event [5] - 19:11,
104:11                                              54:16, 55:23, 62:9        68:21, 72:11, 79:5,        face [1] - 132:11
                          19:14, 20:1, 20:7,
 engaged [11] -                                       exchange [8] - 33:7,    79:10, 80:2, 88:13,        faced [1] - 111:10
                          22:24
11:13, 12:8, 12:23,                                 46:15, 46:16, 54:15,      111:25                     facilitate [2] - 58:6,
                           events [19] - 27:17,
30:18, 30:24, 94:10,                                55:7, 57:9, 113:8          expert [23] - 10:15,     58:8
                          29:14, 37:11, 37:14,
95:22, 117:13,            45:9, 45:12, 76:3,          exchange-traded [1]     10:18, 10:22, 11:5,        facility [1] - 5:20
117:16, 125:2, 125:17     76:6, 76:19, 108:17,      - 57:9                    11:11, 11:13, 12:2,        fact [30] - 6:18, 38:5,
 engagement [1] -         108:20, 118:1, 118:3,       exchanges [5] -         12:5, 30:18, 30:19,       41:19, 43:6, 46:14,
31:3                      118:11, 119:2, 119:8,     34:7, 51:4, 54:17,        33:19, 49:20, 51:25,      47:24, 48:6, 65:4,
 engaging [3] -           119:10, 125:3, 132:14     55:5, 61:23               52:2, 52:8, 53:1,         69:2, 80:5, 81:25,
102:21, 127:24,            eventually [2] - 93:2,     exchanging [1] -        53:15, 53:19, 54:7,       95:24, 99:15, 101:5,
130:11                    137:20                    32:19                     73:2, 74:5, 81:3,         101:25, 102:3,
 enter [12] - 55:2,                                   excited [1] - 7:23      118:6                     102:21, 103:10,
                           evidence [28] -
58:10, 66:14, 66:18,                                  exclusion [1] - 42:19    Expert [1] - 65:18       104:15, 104:17,
                          11:21, 11:25, 27:8,
66:21, 66:25, 67:20,                                  exclusively [1] -        expertise [3] - 16:10,   105:7, 114:1, 118:23,
                          27:12, 37:12, 60:19,
72:25, 73:4, 73:17,                                 33:16                     118:6, 121:15             120:11, 123:9,
                          60:23, 62:18, 62:22,
74:6, 111:17                                          excuse [6] - 14:6,       experts [2] - 5:14,      123:16, 125:16,
                          63:13, 63:17, 64:19,
 entered [10] - 11:25,                              36:25, 83:16, 110:22,     6:15                      126:1, 129:9, 140:6
                          64:23, 68:20, 69:22,
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 fact-based [2] - 69:2,    feeds [2] - 18:24,        119:20, 120:7, 135:6,      113:4, 134:13              128:23, 128:25,
80:5                      65:8                       135:8, 138:22, 139:19       Food [1] - 101:18         129:2, 129:5, 129:6,
 factor [4] - 39:17,       felt [2] - 17:4, 41:24     findings [3] - 10:21,      FOR [5] - 1:1, 1:14,      130:3, 131:5, 131:13,
39:20, 43:12, 43:16        FENTON [38] - 1:14,       109:5, 109:6               1:17, 3:4, 3:7             131:24, 132:10,
 factors [23] - 6:12,     53:17, 60:7, 60:20,         fine [3] - 7:22, 59:10,    force [1] - 45:14         132:20, 133:3, 133:8,
13:14, 19:12, 19:19,      62:19, 63:14, 64:20,       134:9                       forces [8] - 13:15,       133:11, 133:24,
19:22, 19:23, 20:4,       69:23, 71:1, 77:13,         FINRA [3] - 50:13,        19:7, 19:16, 19:17,        134:3, 134:24,
20:9, 20:11, 20:13,       85:23, 86:1, 88:11,        52:5, 52:13                38:9, 45:4, 45:6,          135:11, 135:14,
20:17, 20:20, 21:1,       90:19, 90:21, 91:10,        FINRA's [1] - 27:2        132:13                     135:15, 135:17,
26:15, 26:17, 27:24,      91:18, 92:3, 92:6,          firm [24] - 20:13,         foregoing [3] -           135:19, 136:17,
28:2, 56:1, 57:15,        92:8, 95:9, 95:10,         20:14, 21:9, 21:15,        91:12, 92:14, 144:4        136:21, 138:7,
61:12, 101:9, 117:24,     96:3, 96:4, 97:6,          21:16, 21:19, 26:13,        forever [1] - 67:14       139:22, 140:8,
120:2                     99:23, 100:5, 100:17,      31:21, 32:1, 45:9,          forgive [1] - 23:24       140:21, 142:12
 facts [13] - 45:9,       102:17, 104:10,            45:11, 45:13, 45:16,        Form [2] - 135:10,         Fraud [1] - 1:15
45:11, 45:13, 45:16,      104:13, 104:24,            45:17, 45:18, 51:1,        139:17                      Frauds [1] - 64:10
45:18, 92:16, 92:17,      105:1, 107:3, 113:2,       73:11, 118:1, 118:3,        form [1] - 60:7            frauds [1] - 64:12
94:14, 95:17, 96:9,       115:6, 115:7, 115:23       118:11, 118:20,             forming [1] - 54:8         fraudulent [13] -
118:1, 118:3, 118:11       Fenton [5] - 4:7,         118:23, 119:2, 129:24       formula [4] - 13:3,       94:6, 103:3, 103:8,
 fair [9] - 6:11, 7:11,   85:22, 95:8, 97:5,          firm-specific [13] -      48:6, 74:15, 123:12        129:4, 132:4, 133:17,
31:16, 32:3, 57:24,       115:4                      21:9, 21:19, 45:9,          forth [4] - 6:2, 7:1,     135:24, 135:25,
60:3, 62:14, 63:9,         Ferguson [1] -            45:11, 45:13, 45:16,       15:11, 27:25               137:24, 139:17,
77:9                      139:23                     45:17, 118:1, 118:3,        forward [9] - 4:4,        141:3, 141:8, 141:18
 fake [1] - 107:7          few [4] - 26:2, 33:5,     118:11, 118:20,            69:1, 75:9, 75:14,          free [1] - 116:7
 fall [2] - 52:11, 53:3   39:22, 134:20              118:23, 119:2              78:17, 80:4, 89:8,          French [1] - 20:13
 falling [1] - 58:21       fewer [1] - 36:11          firms [11] - 27:24,       89:9                        frequency [1] - 41:24
 false [19] - 47:25,       Fidelity [2] - 66:10,     27:25, 28:4, 28:5,          four [3] - 72:7, 113:6,    frequently [1] -
48:2, 48:4, 94:19,        111:12                     28:7, 28:18, 52:25,        133:19                     28:24
95:16, 96:9, 97:1,         field [4] - 51:8, 52:1,   66:15, 71:16, 120:13        framework [1] -            front [4] - 6:19,
97:12, 123:10,            53:15, 53:19                first [21] - 13:1,        122:6                      34:17, 35:14, 80:8
123:19, 125:8, 126:5,      figure [7] - 14:18,       13:10, 20:1, 20:7,          frankly [1] - 100:10       frustrating [1] - 4:25
127:19, 128:4, 129:8,     23:2, 23:4, 25:9,          21:7, 23:19, 41:22,         fraud [112] - 14:6,        full [5] - 31:24,
129:10, 129:19,           25:14, 36:22, 116:15       63:3, 68:17, 75:5,         14:20, 14:24, 14:25,       128:10, 129:3, 130:7,
130:12, 134:16             figures [4] - 23:5,       80:19, 89:8, 90:13,        15:6, 15:9, 15:18,         144:5
 falsity [1] - 101:22     26:5, 29:23, 31:10         112:17, 125:5,             15:24, 17:11, 17:23,        full-time [1] - 31:24
 Fama [1] - 20:13          file [1] - 93:12          126:14, 129:12,            17:25, 18:7, 18:13,         fundamentally [1] -
 Fama-French [1] -         filed [19] - 70:20,       129:16, 131:24,            18:15, 18:24, 22:3,        10:14
20:13                     90:3, 90:10, 90:16,        132:4, 140:6               22:7, 22:9, 22:19,          futures [1] - 51:21
 familiar [11] - 16:24,   90:22, 91:3, 91:7,          five [1] - 115:5          22:21, 23:2, 23:20,
54:10, 74:14, 107:16,     91:13, 91:19, 91:23,        fixed [1] - 51:3          31:4, 31:8, 45:1,                    G
117:7, 117:9, 117:19,     97:15, 97:23, 98:10,        flash [1] - 66:16         46:25, 47:10, 47:11,
121:16, 121:19,           98:19, 99:2, 100:25,        flatter [1] - 42:11       48:10, 48:19, 53:5,
121:22, 137:3             108:13, 109:3, 139:17       flawed [1] - 140:5                                    gain [1] - 80:15
                                                                                53:12, 61:11, 74:20,
 far [7] - 34:1, 36:22,    filing [5] - 91:6,         flip [1] - 100:20         74:21, 74:25, 75:2,         GameStop [1] -
42:18, 74:3, 128:12,      93:18, 99:12, 100:24,       Florida [1] - 10:23       75:17, 75:22, 76:14,       78:25
138:13                    138:25                      fluctuating [1] - 25:8    76:19, 77:17, 77:20,        gap [1] - 68:23
 fatally [1] - 140:5       filings [8] - 46:6,        fly [1] - 132:11          78:6, 79:18, 80:25,         general [6] - 34:20,
 favorite [1] - 66:10     46:7, 61:10, 83:5,          focus [3] - 9:19,         81:3, 81:8, 81:16,         36:8, 51:13, 51:19,
 FDA [2] - 6:16,          130:15, 135:10,            60:14, 60:16               81:22, 83:16, 83:23,       67:14, 122:17
128:13                    136:11                      focused [1] - 64:12       84:21, 84:25, 86:4,         generally [21] -
 feasible [2] - 5:9,       final [2] - 27:14, 89:2    focuses [1] - 9:18        86:14, 86:19, 87:6,        11:11, 13:19, 15:19,
6:22                       finance [2] - 9:4,                                   87:14, 87:19, 88:1,        16:16, 16:24, 18:18,
                                                      folded [2] - 133:14,
 February [2] - 134:4,    50:7                                                  88:4, 94:10, 95:22,        19:7, 24:17, 26:12,
                                                     141:11
134:15                     Finance [1] - 10:9                                   100:14, 104:5,             26:16, 32:13, 33:12,
                                                      folks [3] - 4:11,
 Federal [3] - 4:17,       financial [25] - 9:18,                               104:11, 105:10,            33:14, 41:15, 55:11,
                                                     143:2, 143:4
137:2, 139:24             9:24, 10:7, 10:10,                                    111:4, 115:12,             66:13, 118:12,
                                                      follow [2] - 34:22,
                          12:2, 12:5, 16:17,                                    117:13, 118:18,            119:22, 121:22,
 FEDERAL [1] - 1:23                                  78:24
                          17:8, 19:9, 19:13,                                    123:9, 123:17, 125:1,      122:4, 137:10
 federal [7] - 10:15,                                 following [8] - 14:24,
                          32:1, 38:5, 38:22,                                    125:17, 125:24,             generated [1] - 26:25
10:18, 30:16, 51:2,                                  26:17, 44:20, 47:11,
52:3, 52:15, 52:16        40:16, 42:5, 48:19,                                   125:25, 126:1,              generic [3] - 114:6,
                                                     85:14, 108:6, 112:23
                          52:25, 53:15, 53:19,                                  127:25, 128:19,            114:7, 114:22
 feed [1] - 62:2                                      follows [3] - 113:3,
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 gentleman [1] -           17:24, 47:18, 78:18,       73:9                      83:14, 139:6               130:3
59:24                      81:2, 126:8                 hereby [2] - 91:11,       HONORABLE [1] -            implies [1] - 120:25
 gentlemen [1] - 8:11       guideline [3] -           144:3                     1:10                        import [1] - 88:16
 GenViro [1] - 101:17      105:18, 123:5, 123:14       high [1] - 15:16          hope [1] - 103:13          importance [2] -
 Georgetown [1] - 9:3       Guideline [2] -            higher [5] - 36:4,        hour [1] - 12:20          77:24, 120:20
 GIRON [14] - 1:19,        123:2, 136:22              36:7, 81:21, 81:25,        Howell [4] - 4:19,         important [4] - 43:6,
131:1, 132:2, 132:12,       Guidelines [2] -          122:20                    49:21, 63:22, 79:13        66:2, 76:10, 118:13
132:23, 133:6, 134:7,      12:14, 74:15                highest [1] - 125:22      HOWELL [65] - 1:19,        importantly [1] -
134:9, 136:13,              guidelines [16] -          highlight [1] - 139:4    50:1, 53:14, 53:21,        131:17
136:25, 137:4, 138:3,      13:18, 13:19, 14:9,         highlighting [1] -       53:22, 56:19, 58:22,        impossible [3] -
138:19, 141:10             17:14, 28:1, 80:12,        131:6                     59:3, 59:10, 59:13,        75:13, 88:21, 88:24
 Giron [4] - 4:16,         122:15, 122:23,             highly [1] - 137:22      59:17, 59:20, 60:18,        impounded [1] -
131:1, 132:7, 142:17       131:9, 131:18, 133:7,       hired [1] - 6:15         60:24, 62:5, 62:6,         41:19
 given [4] - 40:8,         136:20, 137:1, 142:9,       hold [2] - 47:7, 106:2   62:17, 62:24, 63:12,        IN [1] - 3:9
56:6, 111:12, 118:24       142:14                      holder [2] - 88:15,      63:18, 63:23, 64:18,        inability [1] - 111:13
 global [1] - 50:16         guilty [11] - 87:3,       88:22                     64:24, 67:17, 67:22,        inadministrable [1] -
 glucose [1] - 101:13      87:5, 87:23, 103:2,         holdings [1] - 34:2      68:3, 68:14, 69:5,         141:14
 goals [1] - 76:13         103:7, 104:21,              honestly [2] - 58:15,    69:6, 69:21, 70:2,          incentive [1] - 142:7
 Goldman [1] - 50:16       109:18, 110:7, 110:9,      91:3                      70:3, 70:8, 70:10,          incentivize [1] -
 Google [1] - 57:9         125:5, 127:17               Honor [101] - 4:1,       70:24, 71:5, 71:7,         142:4
 Government [32] -                                    4:6, 4:10, 4:12, 5:4,     71:23, 72:1, 73:23,         inclined [1] - 116:12
4:5, 6:21, 6:24, 6:25,                H               7:17, 8:4, 8:16, 11:20,   74:1, 74:22, 74:24,         include [4] - 31:12,
12:19, 15:6, 15:8,                                    12:1, 16:14, 17:17,       77:3, 77:4, 77:11,         35:1, 35:5, 105:23
15:17, 31:1, 49:6,                                    17:21, 24:4, 25:12,       79:14, 80:7, 80:10,         included [5] - 33:17,
                            half [4] - 20:1, 52:12,                             81:14, 82:3, 82:5,
49:10, 54:3, 59:17,                                   27:7, 30:4, 47:5,                                    39:10, 54:4, 105:22,
                           136:8, 136:15                                        82:6, 83:19, 84:6,
103:17, 106:5,                                        47:17, 47:23, 48:16,                                 106:8
                            half-time [1] - 52:12                               84:7, 85:4, 88:7, 88:9,
116:20, 122:10,                                       49:3, 49:11, 49:14,                                   includes [4] - 38:17,
                            halfway [1] - 64:15                                 92:4, 95:3, 95:6,
124:24, 131:19,                                       53:14, 58:22, 59:3,                                  41:1, 41:3, 86:25
                            halt [1] - 113:9                                    104:9, 106:23, 116:5
132:6, 134:10,                                        60:18, 62:17, 63:20,                                  including [2] - 126:4,
                            halted [1] - 113:8                                   humbly [1] - 139:21
134:13, 134:22,                                       64:18, 67:22, 69:21,                                 130:10
                            hand [1] - 100:6
135:1, 135:15, 139:5,                                 70:24, 77:11, 82:5,                                   inclusion [4] - 33:13,
                            handling [1] - 7:19
140:7, 141:21, 142:6,                                 85:5, 85:15, 85:23,                   I              35:3, 36:16, 40:15
142:9, 142:11               Hangout [1] - 105:4       88:7, 92:4, 95:3,                                     income [1] - 51:3
 GOVERNMENT [4] -           happy [6] - 13:8,         115:6, 115:25, 116:4,
                                                                                 i.e [1] - 113:9            inconsistencies [1] -
1:14, 3:4, 8:18, 117:1     13:15, 14:2, 18:6,         116:5, 116:17,
                                                                                 icon [1] - 65:16          109:2
 Government's [23] -       124:2, 124:4               116:19, 116:25,
                                                                                 idea [3] - 47:9, 89:1,     inconsistent [1] -
5:15, 11:16, 11:21,         hard [3] - 80:4,          118:5, 121:10,
                                                                                131:13                     41:5
11:24, 14:12, 26:18,       100:5, 142:23              121:12, 123:22,
                                                                                 ideal [1] - 28:19          increase [2] - 43:8,
27:8, 27:11, 29:23,         he.. [1] - 68:17          124:6, 124:10,
                                                                                 ideas [1] - 60:14         132:14
35:17, 90:20, 99:24,        head [5] - 35:6,          124:25, 126:25,
                                                                                 identified [1] - 38:25     increases [1] - 25:2
104:20, 107:15,            35:12, 50:16, 50:18,       127:21, 128:21,
                                                                                 identify [6] - 4:4,        increasing [3] - 10:6,
132:24, 133:23,            50:20                      130:4, 130:25, 131:3,
                                                                                19:22, 19:25, 37:12,       22:5, 24:23
134:21, 136:6, 139:1,       hear [7] - 6:1, 56:10,    131:16, 131:23,
                                                                                40:18, 42:3                 incurred [1] - 140:9
139:9, 140:5, 141:14,      116:12, 117:4, 120:3,      132:2, 132:12,
                                                                                 identifying [1] -          independent [1] -
142:4                      124:3, 124:24              132:23, 133:6,
                                                                                141:3                      105:5
 government's [2] -         heard [6] - 124:16,       133:15, 133:22,
                                                                                 identity [1] - 126:5       index [59] - 19:18,
3:11, 3:12                 126:15, 130:6, 131:4,      134:7, 134:9, 134:19,
                                                                                 idiosyncratic [6] -       26:23, 28:5, 28:6,
 Grace [1] - 4:9           140:25, 142:19             135:2, 135:9, 135:20,
                                                                                26:13, 28:12, 39:15,       28:8, 28:15, 28:18,
 grand [1] - 129:12         HEARING [1] - 1:10        136:2, 136:7, 136:13,
                                                                                39:25, 42:15, 42:16        28:20, 28:22, 28:23,
 granted [1] - 90:14        hearing [4] - 7:22,       136:19, 137:1,
                                                                                                           29:1, 29:2, 29:11,
                           31:13, 122:19, 124:5       137:11, 138:3, 138:5,      ignorance [1] - 23:24
 great [5] - 7:25, 8:15,                                                                                   29:17, 33:6, 33:10,
                            heavily [2] - 37:23,      138:6, 138:11,             illustrate [2] - 67:19,
35:21, 106:12, 110:3                                                                                       33:13, 33:17, 34:23,
                           41:18                      138:20, 138:25,           74:2
 greater [1] - 129:23                                                                                      35:3, 36:13, 36:16,
                            held [12] - 25:1, 25:2,   139:3, 139:6, 139:12,      imagine [1] - 25:5
 greatest [1] - 126:9                                                                                      37:17, 37:18, 37:19,
                           25:4, 71:13, 71:14,        139:23, 140:4,             immediately [1] -
 group [6] - 26:17,                                                                                        37:22, 37:23, 38:10,
                           71:15, 72:6, 134:12,       140:14, 141:6,            44:20
27:2, 34:21, 34:22,                                                                                        38:17, 38:24, 39:1,
                           137:5, 137:16, 139:16      141:12, 141:25,            impact [4] - 18:2,
40:18, 41:23                                                                                               39:3, 39:6, 39:9,
                            help [3] - 67:18,         142:11, 142:16,           48:4, 119:14, 129:16
 Group [3] - 55:17,                                                                                        39:14, 39:16, 39:18,
                           67:23, 74:23               142:22, 143:5              impacted [1] - 37:10
55:20, 61:25                                                                                               39:21, 39:22, 39:23,
                            helped [2] - 58:8,         Honor's [3] - 21:13,      implicated [1] -
 guess [6] - 5:24,                                                                                         39:24, 40:2, 40:4,
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40:5, 40:12, 40:14,         inflation [13] - 17:19,     institutions [1] -       12:12, 12:16, 22:20,        James [1] - 50:3
40:17, 40:19, 41:12,       17:23, 47:25, 48:25,       24:9                       25:4, 30:2, 58:3,           Jay [1] - 108:1
41:16, 41:18, 41:20,       118:22, 118:24,              instructive [2] -        58:19, 76:16, 78:22,        Jim [1] - 49:20
42:3, 42:8, 43:3, 43:8,    119:8, 119:11,             17:12, 138:12              87:12, 106:2, 106:4,        joined [2] - 4:8, 4:15
43:9                       119:12, 119:17,              instrument [1] -         114:4, 115:14,              JONAH [1] - 1:20
  Indiana [1] - 1:24       120:24, 123:18,            104:3                      117:12, 121:2,              Jonah [1] - 4:16
  indicate [3] - 37:12,    125:10                       integrity [2] - 76:11,   125:23, 127:22,             JOSE [2] - 1:18, 1:19
47:11, 76:19                inflationary [3] -        76:13                      128:1, 128:2, 136:5,        JOSHUA [2] - 8:18,
  indicated [1] - 44:16    17:18, 119:14, 123:19        interchangeably [2]      136:9, 140:7, 142:13       117:1
  indicates [2] - 29:17,    influence [1] - 105:4     - 56:14, 56:17              Investors [2] - 64:11,     Joshua [4] - 3:5,
130:5                       influenced [1] -            interdisciplinary [1]    105:4                      8:17, 8:25, 116:20
  indices [3] - 38:5,      105:14                     - 10:13                     investors' [1] - 22:21     José [3] - 4:16, 131:1
38:6, 38:23                 information [61] -          interest [4] - 18:12,     invoices [1] - 31:14       Journal [3] - 10:9,
  indicia [1] - 61:11      9:23, 13:6, 16:20,         38:9, 94:5, 113:8           involved [6] - 53:8,      10:12
  indict [1] - 142:7       16:23, 17:25, 18:3,          interested [2] - 6:1,    57:2, 57:6, 57:15,          journal [1] - 10:10
  indicted [2] - 129:6,    18:18, 21:14, 21:19,       56:24                      104:3, 106:12               journals [1] - 10:12
129:23                     26:13, 28:12, 28:15,         internet [3] - 60:12,     involving [1] - 79:1       Judge [1] - 63:12
  indictment [19] -        34:1, 39:7, 39:9,          68:19, 111:24               irrational [2] - 78:23,    judge [2] - 100:8,
15:11, 16:1, 89:2,         39:12, 39:14, 39:19,         interrupt [1] - 85:9     79:4                       142:19
126:4, 126:11, 128:7,      39:20, 39:21, 39:25,         intervals [2] - 13:20,    irregularities [1] -       JUDGE [1] - 1:11
128:19, 129:21,            40:1, 40:2, 40:7, 40:9,    13:22                      139:18                      judicial [1] - 10:21
130:15, 130:20,            41:2, 41:3, 42:16,           interviewing [1] -        irrelevant [1] -           July [34] - 54:6, 68:9,
134:2, 134:8, 134:11,      42:20, 47:25, 48:3,        88:22                      100:10                     68:15, 68:16, 69:2,
134:14, 139:1,             48:4, 53:24, 54:1,           intuitively [1] - 21:3    is.. [1] - 92:1           69:8, 69:18, 69:19,
141:22, 142:1, 142:3       54:2, 54:4, 54:5, 54:8,      invariant [1] - 43:4      issue [8] - 7:2, 61:13,   71:14, 71:22, 75:3,
  indicts [1] - 142:6      55:19, 57:8, 62:1,           invented [1] - 132:17    78:4, 116:9, 123:16,       78:9, 79:17, 80:25,
  indirect [1] - 121:1     71:12, 73:20, 83:4,          inventing [1] - 102:1    128:3, 135:10, 136:16      81:5, 81:22, 83:17,
  individual [6] -         89:22, 90:7, 97:24,          invest [4] - 73:8,        issued [41] - 22:20,      83:23, 84:4, 85:3,
28:11, 28:16, 88:2,        106:9, 113:15,             103:21, 129:22             24:12, 24:20, 24:22,       86:5, 104:7, 111:21,
88:22, 105:9, 105:21       113:21, 118:20,              invested [1] - 125:8     24:23, 24:25, 32:10,       112:4, 112:12,
  individuals [4] -        120:13, 120:18,                                       32:15, 32:17, 32:22,       125:20, 129:2, 129:5,
                                                        investigate [1] -
21:15, 24:1, 24:7,         124:16, 129:8,                                        32:23, 32:24, 33:4,        132:17, 133:25,
                                                      103:18
105:13                     130:10, 130:12,                                       37:7, 45:24, 45:25,        134:15, 135:25,
                                                        investigation [15] -
  indulgence [6] -         131:15, 137:14,                                       46:2, 46:4, 46:14,         140:15, 141:7
                                                      61:8, 102:22, 103:2,
45:22, 63:20, 82:3,        138:13, 142:3                                         46:15, 46:18, 64:1,
                                                      103:8, 103:20,                                         jumped [1] - 21:7
84:6, 116:1, 123:21         informed [1] - 9:24                                  76:3, 82:11, 82:12,
                                                      109:18, 110:7,                                         jumping [1] - 43:22
  industries [1] - 41:8     initial [5] - 17:22,                                 82:14, 82:18, 82:20,
                                                      110:10, 117:17,                                        June [4] - 100:25,
  industry [33] - 18:21,   19:14, 81:21, 82:25,       119:7, 125:6, 125:14,      82:22, 82:25, 90:1,        105:2, 107:23, 125:19
18:22, 19:18, 27:17,       135:18                     125:15, 128:3, 137:22      94:19, 95:11, 96:5,         jury [1] - 129:13
28:2, 28:15, 28:17,         initiate [2] - 62:4,        investigator [1] -       101:16, 103:25,             Justice [6] - 12:9,
29:14, 29:19, 37:11,       65:9                       50:12                      132:4, 135:24,             122:11, 122:12,
37:13, 37:24, 38:1,         initiated [1] - 89:16       investigators [1] -      140:13, 141:2, 141:19      122:13, 126:9, 135:16
38:3, 38:11, 40:17,         injected [1] - 7:2        125:21                      issuer [1] - 61:9          justice [1] - 49:17
41:1, 41:3, 41:10,          injured [1] - 46:24         investigators' [1] -      issuers [1] - 36:8         JUSTICE [1] - 1:15
41:17, 41:19, 42:4,         inordinate [2] -          109:5                       issues [6] - 7:21,
43:12, 43:15, 45:8,        127:2, 127:6                                          76:22, 88:19, 109:4,
51:10, 51:16, 56:15,        insider [6] - 9:25,
                                                        investing [1] - 57:6
                                                                                 122:13, 122:17
                                                                                                                       K
                                                        investment [3] -
68:21, 78:13, 120:1        120:8, 120:14,             115:15, 115:19,             issuing [1] - 22:4
  industry-specific        120:17, 120:19, 121:9      130:13                      items [2] - 108:7,         keep [3] - 65:7,
[10] - 27:17, 28:2,         insiders [4] - 120:12,      investments [1] -        127:24                     88:18, 91:1
29:14, 29:19, 37:11,       120:21, 121:2, 136:3       73:22                       ix) [1] - 136:23           Keith [7] - 4:3, 23:7,
37:13, 41:17, 42:4,         instance [2] - 131:8,       investor [19] - 19:1,                               49:19, 85:17, 92:9,
45:8, 120:1                137:18                     19:6, 32:19, 45:8,                    J               92:12, 102:8
  industry-wide [2] -       instances [1] - 97:7      64:1, 64:8, 64:11,                                     KEITH [1] - 1:6
18:22, 37:24                instead [1] - 66:21       65:23, 75:13, 78:14,                                   Kevin [1] - 4:12
  industrywide [5] -        institute [1] - 109:6                                 J.D [3] - 9:4, 9:8,        KEVIN [1] - 1:17
                                                      86:23, 105:3, 105:4,
18:17, 20:4, 26:15,         institutes [1] -                                     10:5                        key [4] - 16:19,
                                                      111:10, 115:8,
26:17, 42:19               113:11                                                 J.D.s [1] - 10:4          21:12, 53:9, 75:15
                                                      115:18, 131:14,
  inflated [3] - 22:20,     institutional [1] -                                   JAMES [1] - 49:22          kind [40] - 6:20, 11:8,
                                                      140:14, 141:6
46:25, 126:3               34:2                                                   james [1] - 3:8           14:16, 17:15, 19:8,
                                                        investors [25] -
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20:21, 25:9, 25:10,         137:15                     18:19, 20:12, 26:4,        22:24, 23:6, 23:11,       manipulative [1] -
34:22, 36:4, 47:9,           ledger [1] - 32:7         26:6, 26:11, 26:16,        25:20, 26:10, 29:22,     94:6
47:21, 56:12, 56:14,         left [2] - 40:10, 42:22   29:21, 32:3, 38:4,         29:24, 30:1, 47:2,        manner [1] - 94:7
58:4, 58:7, 60:3,            legacy [1] - 56:12        40:16, 42:5, 42:13,        48:7, 53:11, 74:11,       March [25] - 1:6,
60:12, 62:3, 67:18,          legal [7] - 51:5,         48:20, 119:25, 120:7,      74:16, 80:13, 80:15,     14:21, 14:25, 58:15,
70:8, 72:8, 73:15,          118:6, 121:15, 122:1,      120:10, 120:21,            81:17, 81:20, 81:23,     70:7, 70:18, 75:6,
76:7, 79:9, 83:13,          122:3, 127:15, 127:16      120:25                     82:2, 84:8, 84:17,       80:19, 83:16, 86:5,
87:16, 107:12,               Legal [1] - 10:13          litigation [8] - 30:23,   84:21, 84:23, 84:24,     90:1, 90:3, 94:23,
111:11, 111:24,              lent [1] - 24:9           53:16, 53:20, 121:16,      85:1, 87:13, 87:19,      95:11, 95:12, 96:5,
116:12, 126:10,              less [7] - 25:17, 34:1,   121:17, 121:19,            116:10, 117:22,          96:17, 96:22, 97:8,
126:16, 127:8, 128:2,       37:3, 41:8, 101:16,        121:20, 133:24             118:14, 119:1, 119:4,    129:20, 132:3,
130:2, 132:11, 133:2,       138:13                      Litigation [1] - 11:1     119:24, 120:5,           133:24, 137:15,
133:4                        letter [10] - 105:5,       live [1] - 65:19          131:10, 131:18,          144:10
 kits [1] - 101:17          106:21, 107:6, 107:7,       lived [1] - 79:5          132:15, 133:14,           marked [1] - 99:24
 knowing [1] - 67:7         107:23, 108:1, 109:1,       LLC [4] - 11:10,          133:16, 140:8, 140:9,     Market [2] - 65:18,
 knowledge [3] -            109:17, 110:16,            11:14, 52:20, 52:21        140:10, 142:15           127:22
92:16, 92:18, 136:4         110:18                      LLP [1] - 1:21             losses [3] - 12:12,      market [126] - 9:25,
 known [8] - 50:12,          letters [3] - 125:18,      logic [1] - 40:6          22:22, 141:10            13:15, 14:5, 15:23,
50:13, 55:15, 58:16,        125:21, 128:2               logical [1] - 133:4        lost [1] - 87:10        16:2, 16:23, 18:17,
68:19, 71:11, 113:16,        level [4] - 15:16,         look [36] - 15:25,         low [3] - 54:21, 56:3   18:20, 18:22, 19:7,
137:10                      122:16, 122:18,            19:11, 20:13, 26:4,         low-market [1] -        19:16, 19:17, 20:3,
 knows [3] - 113:19,        122:20                     26:6, 27:15, 29:8,         54:21                    20:12, 21:1, 21:4,
120:17, 125:12               levels [1] - 125:22       32:25, 36:21, 42:2,         low-priced [1] - 56:3   21:6, 21:15, 25:20,
                             Lexis [2] - 137:19,       54:7, 69:3, 78:13,          low-value [1] - 54:21   25:22, 26:15, 26:17,
            L               139:15                     79:11, 81:7, 94:2,          lower [4] - 34:1,       27:24, 34:18, 36:14,
                             Lexus [1] - 135:5         94:3, 95:1, 96:3,          55:12, 57:8, 57:10       36:19, 38:9, 42:19,
                             license [1] - 51:14       98:13, 99:11, 102:12,       lower-cap [1] - 55:12   45:3, 45:6, 45:14,
  label [2] - 117:10,                                                                                      48:1, 53:5, 54:13,
                             licenses [5] - 51:7,      105:9, 105:15,              lunch [1] - 85:7
117:12                                                                                                     54:14, 54:18, 54:20,
                            51:10, 51:12, 51:20,       107:15, 108:25,             luncheon [1] - 85:13
  language [3] - 44:8,                                                                                     54:21, 55:4, 55:6,
                            51:22                      112:19, 112:20,             Lundstrom [6] -
123:8, 139:8                                                                                               55:10, 55:25, 57:16,
                             lied [1] - 101:25         113:5, 115:1, 115:20,      135:4, 135:21, 138:6,
  large [4] - 34:13,                                   118:11, 118:19,                                     57:23, 58:12, 58:14,
                             lies [2] - 16:13,                                    138:11, 138:14,
57:21, 120:21, 127:3                                   121:7, 134:13                                       58:21, 60:11, 60:17,
                            131:17                                                138:15
  large-capitalization                                  looked [6] - 13:22,                                65:7, 65:15, 66:15,
                             lifted [1] - 65:12                                    lying [1] - 114:4
[1] - 57:21                                                                                                73:2, 74:4, 74:5,
                             lights [1] - 141:4        19:2, 29:9, 48:12,
  largest [3] - 34:10,                                 93:25, 117:25                                       75:19, 76:6, 76:11,
72:7, 73:12
                             likelier [1] - 133:12                                          M
                                                        looking [21] - 16:3,                               76:12, 76:15, 76:20,
                             likewise [1] - 135:23
  last [6] - 50:15, 70:7,                              16:11, 17:10, 18:4,                                 76:23, 77:20, 79:11,
81:6, 91:3, 135:24,          limitations [1] -
                                                       21:8, 21:17, 27:21,         M-I-T-T-S [1] - 8:25    79:19, 81:8, 84:22,
141:12                      126:16
                                                       36:2, 43:24, 43:25,         ma'am [1] - 30:10       84:23, 84:25, 86:14,
  late [3] - 4:22, 18:3,     line [1] - 100:9
                                                       47:21, 60:10, 78:10,        Machine [4] - 68:19,    86:15, 86:20, 86:21,
50:11                        lines [5] - 42:21,
                                                       79:6, 82:23, 83:3,         69:8, 79:23, 112:7       86:25, 88:20, 88:25,
  later-in-time [1] -       42:25, 43:22, 43:24,
                                                       88:15, 91:2, 91:8,          magnitude [3] -         89:5, 89:11, 103:11,
135:19                      72:13
                                                       134:2                      25:20, 37:3, 43:7        103:16, 105:10,
  latter [1] - 22:15         link [2] - 55:14, 57:1
                                                        looks [11] - 19:21,        Main [1] - 64:10        105:12, 105:18,
  law [10] - 9:15, 10:2,     liquid [1] - 34:1
                                                       34:9, 35:23, 42:11,         main [3] - 52:14,       105:24, 106:10,
10:11, 16:12, 31:21,         liquidity [1] - 57:10
                                                       47:10, 47:14, 64:4,        76:13, 100:12            107:9, 110:2, 111:5,
52:25, 134:25, 139:13        LISA [2] - 2:1, 144:3
                                                       121:6, 121:7, 134:6,        maintain [1] - 119:11   113:16, 113:18,
  Law [3] - 9:4, 9:13,       Lisa [1] - 144:12                                                             117:15, 118:19,
                                                       134:8                       maintained [1] -
10:12                        list [3] - 35:13,                                                             119:10, 119:16,
                                                        LORI [1] - 1:18           118:24
  laws [2] - 51:2, 52:3     108:19, 113:3                                                                  120:1, 120:8, 120:14,
                                                        Lori [2] - 4:16, 30:11     major [3] - 48:9,
  lawyer [1] - 16:12         listed [8] - 29:3,                                                            120:15, 120:19,
                                                        lose [5] - 66:17,         54:15, 86:12
  lead [1] - 132:14         33:11, 34:2, 34:7,                                                             120:20, 121:3, 121:6,
                                                       66:24, 72:24, 73:22,        maker [1] - 55:10
  leading [1] - 10:10       54:15, 64:13, 64:15,                                                           123:9, 123:18,
                                                       114:15                      makers [1] - 55:6
                            115:11                                                                         125:15, 125:16,
  learn [4] - 87:25,                                    loss [61] - 5:5, 5:15,     manager [1] - 7:20
88:4, 141:17, 142:2          listen [1] - 8:5                                                              126:10, 128:10,
                                                       6:1, 6:4, 7:9, 12:16,       managing [2] -
  least [11] - 17:11,        listing [3] - 54:17,                                                          128:12, 129:4, 129:7,
                                                       13:10, 13:18, 14:5,        50:15, 52:20
17:19, 53:9, 73:16,         65:7, 66:6                                                                     129:16, 130:5, 130:7,
                                                       14:18, 16:5, 19:1,          mandate [1] - 105:15
73:20, 119:24, 128:3,        lists [1] - 108:7                                                             130:9, 130:18,
                                                       19:6, 20:23, 21:2,          manipulation [1] -
131:12, 134:3, 134:6,        literally [1] - 56:13                                                         132:13, 132:18,
                                                       21:21, 22:11, 22:14,       10:1
                             literature [18] -
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136:21, 137:9,            43:4, 56:15, 121:4,       mid [2] - 57:20,         86:7, 131:10              88:11, 90:19, 90:21,
137:10, 138:14            123:18, 137:6            57:21                      moment [1] - 134:19      91:5, 91:10, 91:18,
 market's [1] - 121:8      meaningful [3] -         mid-cap [2] - 57:20,      moments [1] - 26:2       92:3, 92:4, 92:6, 92:8,
 market-specific [1] -    28:25, 34:6, 43:23       57:21                      money [12] - 24:10,      95:3, 95:6, 95:9,
120:1                      means [5] - 24:15,       Middle [1] - 52:15       58:21, 66:18, 66:24,      95:10, 96:3, 96:4,
 market-wide [4] -        41:7, 43:18, 65:19,       might [18] - 7:4,        72:25, 73:18, 73:22,      97:6, 99:23, 100:5,
18:17, 18:22, 42:19,      137:9                    17:15, 19:12, 21:17,      74:7, 87:10, 87:12,       100:8, 100:17,
107:9                      measure [18] - 14:4,    24:10, 24:11, 30:24,      114:15, 132:19            102:17, 104:9,
 marketplace [2] -        18:5, 18:25, 21:2,       31:23, 37:5, 40:3,         months [4] - 25:7,       104:10, 104:13,
89:23, 137:15             22:13, 23:18, 26:10,     43:9, 59:8, 76:2, 79:9,   78:6, 139:1               104:24, 105:1,
 Markets [27] - 13:3,     40:17, 41:17, 41:25,     79:11, 120:16,             moreover [1] -           106:23, 107:3, 113:2,
40:23, 41:1, 41:4,        42:4, 48:3, 119:23,      124:13, 129:23            133:22                    115:6, 115:7, 115:23,
41:12, 41:15, 55:17,      126:19, 128:25,           million [20] - 22:8,      morning [9] - 4:6,       115:25, 116:4, 116:5,
55:20, 56:7, 56:25,       137:23, 140:8, 142:5     22:9, 22:16, 22:22,       4:11, 4:12, 4:20, 4:21,   116:11, 116:17,
61:25, 65:6, 65:13,        measured [4] - 28:4,    23:1, 23:3, 23:25,        4:24, 8:19, 8:20, 30:9    116:19, 116:25,
68:22, 80:2, 89:6,        29:9, 38:9, 39:23        25:16, 36:15, 36:20,       most [2] - 52:4,         117:3, 118:5, 118:9,
93:23, 110:17, 112:9,      measurement [1] -       36:24, 36:25, 37:3,       126:23                    121:10, 121:12,
112:22, 113:12,           23:6                     37:4, 37:7, 55:25          motion [2] - 10:24,      121:14, 123:21,
114:8, 114:14, 115:3,      measurements [1] -       mind [1] - 76:22         11:3                      124:6, 124:10,
115:8, 115:10, 126:15     28:25                     minimum [2] - 36:14,      move [13] - 12:1,        124:12, 124:21,
 markets [8] - 9:18,       measures [1] - 9:20     37:4                      27:7, 60:18, 62:17,       124:25, 126:14,
9:24, 31:17, 51:6,         measuring [3] - 18:2,    minute [1] - 124:7       63:12, 64:18, 69:21,      126:23, 127:21,
54:22, 55:7, 58:17,       48:24, 131:10             minutes [5] - 115:5,     70:24, 77:11, 97:20,      128:21, 130:4,
115:11                     medications [1] -       124:1, 124:17, 124:19     102:25, 104:24,           130:23, 130:25,
 Maryland [1] - 50:8      4:23                      mirrored [1] - 142:1     104:25                    131:1, 132:2, 132:12,
 massive [1] - 58:18       meet [1] - 54:17         misconduct [1] -          moves [1] - 43:7         132:23, 133:6, 134:7,
 material [3] - 48:23,     member [3] - 52:21,     105:6                      MR [178] - 4:6, 4:12,    134:9, 136:13,
103:22, 103:23            93:17, 98:2               misleading [12] -        5:4, 6:6, 6:11, 7:11,     136:25, 137:4, 138:3,
 materials [1] - 15:10     meme [1] - 78:25        94:19, 95:17, 95:18,      7:17, 7:24, 8:4, 8:13,    138:19, 141:10,
 math [5] - 21:22,         memoranda [1] -         96:9, 96:11, 97:1,        8:16, 8:22, 9:11,         142:19, 142:22, 143:5
81:18, 81:19, 81:24,      143:1                    97:13, 102:22,            11:15, 11:17, 11:20,       MRM [12] - 12:15,
85:1                       memory [1] - 60:1       127:25, 128:4,            12:1, 12:7, 14:11,        13:2, 14:6, 14:7,
 mathematical [4] -                                129:19, 134:16            14:13, 15:15, 18:10,      20:22, 21:1, 22:25,
                           mentioned [10] -
13:17, 14:17, 19:5,                                 miss [1] - 75:13         25:25, 26:18, 26:20,      25:14, 29:25, 48:6,
                          30:15, 33:15, 40:21,
117:20                                              missing [1] - 47:21      27:7, 27:13, 30:3,        117:20, 131:10
                          46:7, 52:18, 57:23,
 MATHEW [1] - 1:14                                  mission [1] - 76:12      35:20, 49:5, 49:11,        MS [14] - 11:22, 12:3,
                          73:9, 77:5, 81:15,
 matter [14] - 11:1,      138:18                                             49:14, 49:19, 50:1,       27:9, 30:8, 30:11,
                                                    misstatement [4] -
12:9, 12:17, 12:21,                                                          53:14, 53:17, 53:21,      30:14, 35:15, 35:18,
                           merely [2] - 113:21,    17:22, 48:23, 119:14,
17:7, 31:15, 47:19,                                                          53:22, 56:19, 58:22,      35:21, 35:22, 45:22,
                          139:18                   123:10
47:24, 48:12, 87:17,                                                         59:3, 59:6, 59:10,        45:23, 47:4, 49:3
                           merger [2] - 30:22,      misstatements [3] -
104:7, 105:25, 122:5,                                                        59:13, 59:17, 59:20,       multiplication [1] -
                          30:23                    121:4, 123:19, 123:20
136:4                                                                        60:7, 60:18, 60:20,       21:22
                           message [3] - 74:8,      mistakenly [1] -
 matters [4] - 52:16,                                                        60:24, 62:5, 62:6,         multiplied [1] - 14:3
                          126:5, 129:9             118:22
53:16, 53:20, 87:16                                                          62:17, 62:19, 62:24,       multiply [3] - 13:24,
                           messages [1] -           MITTS [2] - 8:18,
 Matthew [1] - 4:6                                                           63:12, 63:14, 63:18,      84:11, 84:13
                          105:3                    117:1
 McFADDEN [1] -                                                              63:23, 64:18, 64:20,       must [3] - 33:10,
                           method [15] - 12:13,     Mitts [29] - 3:5, 8:5,
1:10                                                                         64:24, 67:17, 67:22,      36:14, 140:7
                          13:17, 14:7, 19:13,      8:17, 8:25, 9:1, 10:3,
 mean [29] - 6:3, 6:8,    21:2, 74:18, 86:7,       11:6, 11:18, 12:2,        68:3, 68:14, 69:5,
6:12, 6:14, 6:15, 8:10,   86:10, 95:15, 96:8,      12:4, 12:8, 14:14,        69:6, 69:21, 69:23,                  N
17:13, 20:21, 21:12,      131:9, 131:10,           16:4, 23:23, 26:21,       70:2, 70:3, 70:8,
23:25, 24:1, 27:19,       131:12, 132:8, 142:14    27:14, 30:9, 47:9,        70:10, 70:24, 71:1,
                                                                                                        name [3] - 8:23,
47:10, 48:9, 54:7,         methodology [5] -       79:9, 86:10, 116:16,      71:5, 71:7, 71:23,
                                                                                                       30:10, 50:2
57:7, 57:22, 68:17,       10:14, 13:8, 14:8,       116:20, 117:4,            72:1, 73:23, 74:1,
                                                                                                        narrow [1] - 6:9
80:17, 81:3, 89:1,        38:22, 42:6              117:19, 118:10,           74:22, 74:24, 77:3,
                                                                                                        NASA [1] - 5:19
99:21, 111:24,             metric [1] - 41:9       121:15, 123:23,           77:4, 77:11, 77:13,
                                                                             79:14, 80:7, 80:10,        NASD [1] - 50:13
112:12, 118:3,             MICHELLE [1] - 1:23     133:20, 136:3
                                                                             81:14, 82:3, 82:5,         NASDAQ [30] -
119:13, 121:17,            Michelle [1] - 4:17      model [5] - 19:20,
                                                                             82:6, 83:19, 84:6,        26:23, 28:5, 28:6,
122:3, 137:8               micro [1] - 34:14       20:16, 23:21, 58:2,
                                                                             84:7, 85:4, 85:23,        29:3, 29:11, 29:16,
 meaning [9] - 25:15,      microcap [3] - 55:12,   80:12
                                                                             86:1, 88:7, 88:9,         33:6, 33:8, 33:10,
28:23, 40:13, 42:15,      56:3, 56:11               modified [3] - 12:13,                              33:11, 33:17, 34:7,
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34:10, 34:13, 34:15,       113:9                                                 Official [1] - 2:1       84:24, 103:16
                                                                O
34:19, 34:22, 36:6,          newsletter [1] - 60:1                               often [2] - 96:7,          opinions [1] - 54:8
36:8, 36:10, 36:12,          next [4] - 73:24,                                  133:7                       opportunities [3] -
36:13, 37:16, 37:18,       98:21, 113:4, 113:5        oath [3] - 30:20,          old [1] - 59:2           58:20, 60:11, 79:6
37:22, 40:19, 41:12,         NFA [1] - 52:6          85:20, 116:22               old-school [1] - 59:2      opportunity [2] -
42:8, 43:3, 54:16            Nick [1] - 4:18          objection [32] -           older [1] - 32:12        99:12, 129:10
  NASDAQ-listed [1] -        NICK [1] - 1:20         11:22, 11:23, 12:3,         oldest [3] - 68:20,        opposed [4] - 48:13,
29:3                         nine [1] - 25:7         12:4, 27:9, 27:10,         69:2, 80:5                55:7, 80:15, 86:16
  NASDAQ-traded [1]          none [2] - 138:23,      53:17, 53:18, 60:7,         omit [2] - 95:17, 96:9     orally [1] - 124:21
- 28:6                     138:24                    60:20, 60:21, 62:19,        omitted [1] - 140:10       order [27] - 21:10,
  Nationals [1] - 7:20       nonetheless [1] -       62:20, 63:14, 63:15,        once [9] - 29:5,         37:2, 41:16, 44:7,
  nature [10] - 6:13,      133:1                     64:20, 64:21, 69:23,       30:18, 52:15, 66:19,      55:2, 55:3, 56:25,
9:23, 21:14, 34:21,          Northern [1] - 11:2     69:24, 71:1, 71:2,         71:18, 72:8, 76:7,        61:21, 63:1, 63:9,
57:5, 72:19, 73:17,                                  77:13, 77:14, 88:7,        128:6, 140:19             66:14, 66:20, 72:25,
                             Northwest [5] - 1:16,
98:24, 114:9, 125:14                                 92:4, 95:3, 95:6,                                    73:1, 74:6, 75:21,
                           1:21, 1:24, 2:3,                                      one [66] - 5:13, 6:13,
  navigated [1] -                                    100:9, 100:16, 104:9,                                94:4, 95:18, 96:10,
                           144:14                                               7:23, 9:10, 12:12,
140:19                                               106:23, 118:5                                        97:11, 98:15, 119:22,
                             notable [1] - 76:6                                 18:18, 19:20, 21:8,
  NBI [9] - 29:2, 29:5,                               obligation [1] - 32:21    21:10, 22:13, 25:19,      121:21, 127:10,
                             note [14] - 14:9,
37:19, 37:24, 38:1,                                   obligations [3] -         25:21, 28:9, 30:21,       128:14, 138:24,
                           32:21, 61:24, 74:17,
38:12, 38:15, 40:11,                                 24:11, 24:25, 46:17        31:22, 34:9, 36:9,        140:24
                           80:17, 81:19, 82:1,
42:23                      84:10, 117:20,             oblique [1] - 121:1       36:10, 37:21, 38:8,         ordered [1] - 98:22
  Nebraska [1] - 135:4     117:24, 119:19,            observe [1] - 72:2        38:11, 38:14, 38:23,        orders [4] - 55:8,
  necessarily [6] -        122:24, 123:1              obstruct [1] - 109:18     39:4, 43:12, 43:22,       58:10, 137:16, 140:22
16:12, 18:2, 79:8,           notes [6] - 32:14,       obstructed [1] -          43:25, 44:1, 44:13,         organizing [1] - 41:7
87:4, 117:12, 132:12       46:10, 46:16, 83:8,       103:20                     46:19, 53:9, 54:4,          originally [1] - 27:2
  necessary [3] - 94:5,    123:4, 144:5               obstructing [5] -         59:11, 63:19, 64:11,        OTC [52] - 13:3, 13:5,
95:17, 96:10                 nothing [5] - 79:12,    103:2, 103:7, 110:7,       67:1, 68:22, 68:23,       26:11, 26:16, 29:1,
  need [8] - 20:2,         113:24, 123:22,           110:10, 110:11             70:16, 71:13, 72:22,      32:3, 33:20, 33:25,
21:10, 28:18, 95:1,        141:22, 142:9              obstruction [9] -         80:5, 83:14, 112:23,      34:6, 34:15, 40:22,
102:16, 118:19,              notice [10] - 5:25,     117:16, 119:7, 125:6,      113:5, 115:10,            41:1, 41:4, 41:12,
128:14, 133:22             73:21, 105:17,            125:9, 134:18,             115:18, 115:22,           41:14, 41:21, 41:23,
  needed [4] - 13:1,       108:18, 110:2,            134:23, 136:8, 138:2       117:24, 118:19,           51:4, 54:22, 55:4,
13:21, 13:22, 13:24        111:17, 113:17,            obstructive [3] -         118:21, 119:3,            55:14, 55:17, 55:20,
  needs [5] - 28:23,       113:18, 117:12,           128:1, 128:24, 130:11      119:24, 124:7,            56:7, 56:8, 56:25,
41:18, 119:3, 139:10       128:11                     obtain [2] - 14:4,        126:21, 128:3,            61:25, 65:6, 65:12,
  negative [2] - 38:3,       noticed [1] - 8:8       51:22                      128:23, 135:2,            66:14, 68:22, 72:10,
40:10                        notwithstanding [2]      obtained [1] - 51:9       135:16, 138:14,           72:20, 73:12, 74:4,
  neon [1] - 141:4         - 132:20, 135:18           obvious [1] - 16:21       140:12, 141:12,           80:2, 89:6, 93:23,
  nets [1] - 28:15           November [3] - 6:24,     obviously [2] - 5:12,     142:12, 142:19            105:17, 110:17,
  never [7] - 7:1, 32:1,   91:3, 134:12              17:14                       one-to-one [1] -         112:9, 112:22,
35:24, 36:3, 49:17,          number [33] - 4:15,      occur [2] - 37:25,        43:12                     113:12, 114:8,
141:19, 141:20             6:13, 7:19, 13:12,        38:2                        ones [2] - 65:21,        114:14, 115:3, 115:8,
  new [5] - 45:8, 46:11,   13:25, 14:1, 14:4,         occurred [2] - 17:10,     70:16                     115:10, 117:10,
46:13, 83:9, 83:11         22:4, 22:17, 22:23,       86:4                        online [9] - 65:24,      126:15, 126:16,
  New [6] - 1:16,          23:1, 23:3, 24:18,         odds [1] - 81:11          66:10, 66:12, 69:3,       127:22
10:24, 51:18, 54:16,       24:22, 25:3, 25:15,        OF [5] - 1:1, 1:3,        72:7, 72:16, 72:17,         otcmarkets.com [8]
139:15, 139:16             31:12, 32:7, 37:2,        1:10, 1:15, 1:23           111:13, 140:25            - 55:14, 66:5, 68:6,
  newly [15] - 22:20,      51:9, 51:19, 52:16,        offense [1] - 6:14         onset [3] - 58:16,       93:20, 97:17, 107:13,
24:23, 32:10, 32:15,       55:24, 55:25, 57:15,       offer [3] - 8:6, 11:20,   75:6, 79:7                140:16, 140:19
32:17, 32:22, 32:23,       64:14, 108:5, 117:22,     53:14                       onwards [1] - 80:22        otherwise [4] -
33:4, 45:24, 46:4,         118:14, 125:4, 127:3,      offered [1] - 30:16        OpenAI [2] - 132:17,     58:21, 105:14,
46:15, 46:18, 82:11,       127:7, 127:10              offering [1] - 82:25      132:22                    118:21, 132:10
82:18                        numbers [8] - 15:4,      offers [1] - 11:9          opening [2] - 99:25,       otherwise-falling [1]
  newness [1] - 127:5      22:10, 22:24, 25:18,       OFFICE [1] - 1:23         111:1                     - 58:21
  news [17] - 18:22,       34:17, 36:21, 36:23,       Office [1] - 4:18          opining [1] - 103:10       ought [2] - 140:21,
28:17, 29:19, 37:24,       84:4                       officer [7] - 50:18,       opinion [15] - 13:10,    142:14
38:1, 38:3, 38:11,           numerical [1] - 13:10   50:21, 51:18, 72:9,        13:11, 22:12, 23:5,         ourselves [1] - 73:19
38:13, 38:19, 39:5,          numerous [1] -          73:11, 76:8, 92:12         29:22, 29:25, 37:9,         outcome [1] - 138:8
40:17, 41:17, 41:25,       109:2                      officers [1] - 117:13     44:25, 74:11, 75:12,        outline [1] - 109:2
42:4, 62:3, 88:16,                                    official [1] - 144:12     75:17, 81:17, 84:21,        outright [1] - 125:14
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  outside [2] - 31:21,      paragraphs [1] -           percent [5] - 43:8,      persuasive [1] - 41:7      PNA [1] - 52:20
31:25                      94:3                       43:9, 72:5, 72:6,         perverse [1] - 142:7       point [20] - 7:5, 16:7,
  outsiders [1] - 120:9     paralegals [1] - 4:8      72:10                     Peterson [1] - 4:17       17:18, 24:8, 25:13,
  outstanding [21] -        parameters [1] -           percentage [2] -         PETERSON [1] -            25:17, 25:22, 49:19,
13:6, 13:25, 14:2,         119:24                     43:3, 43:4               1:23                       75:9, 75:14, 83:2,
14:4, 21:24, 22:5,          part [15] - 13:2, 20:7,    percentages [1] -        petition [15] - 90:3,     110:18, 120:22,
22:8, 22:9, 23:24,         21:22, 23:9, 44:24,        42:24                    90:10, 90:13, 90:16,       128:4, 135:7, 136:2,
24:14, 24:21, 24:22,       50:15, 52:14, 52:24,        perfectly [1] - 25:21   90:22, 91:20, 92:14,       138:5, 141:1, 141:12,
25:3, 32:6, 82:8,          72:4, 78:10, 96:15,         performed [2] -         98:9, 98:10, 98:19,        142:20
82:23, 83:2, 84:12,        99:9, 114:16, 121:15,      31:13, 41:12             99:2, 100:1, 102:9,         pointed [1] - 132:21
84:14, 105:19              141:20                      perhaps [1] - 6:7       110:20, 110:23              points [7] - 13:5,
  over-the-counter [8]      participant [1] -          period [67] - 14:20,     Petitioner [1] - 92:9     13:7, 22:6, 28:9,
- 28:20, 28:21, 33:25,     126:10                     14:22, 15:1, 15:6,        Petitioner's [1] -        111:4, 125:3, 140:4
54:10, 54:12, 54:14,        particular [17] - 9:16,   15:9, 15:17, 16:11,      99:25                       policies [4] - 66:15,
54:23, 56:20               13:20, 18:8, 28:8,         17:18, 17:19, 17:22,      Ph.D [4] - 3:5, 8:18,     73:13, 78:2, 105:16
  overall [3] - 16:25,     32:25, 34:12, 38:24,       18:7, 18:13, 18:15,      9:4, 9:8                    pops [1] - 74:7
40:4, 131:18               43:21, 71:13, 87:17,       18:16, 18:23, 22:3,       Ph.D.s [1] - 10:4          population [1] -
  overcompensates          88:15, 113:13, 114:5,      22:7, 22:8, 22:19,        pharmaceutical [4] -      34:10
[1] - 130:1                118:18, 119:23,            22:21, 23:2, 25:6,       35:2, 38:18, 38:23,         portion [1] - 73:12
  overruled [5] - 60:8,    127:9, 141:17              25:15, 25:17, 36:18,     39:5                        position [8] - 7:17,
88:10, 92:5, 95:5,          particularly [6] -        48:10, 48:14, 48:18,      pharmaceutical-           52:19, 128:18, 133:4,
106:25                     34:19, 41:9, 103:22,       48:19, 74:20, 74:21,     specific [1] - 39:5        133:23, 134:21,
  overruling [2] - 95:7,   107:17, 110:11,            74:25, 75:2, 78:3,        phase [1] - 19:14         136:7, 139:9
100:16                     115:13                     78:11, 78:16, 79:5,       phrases [1] - 137:5        positions [1] - 50:14
  overturn [2] -            parties [11] - 120:9,     80:18, 80:25, 81:3,       physical [2] - 70:17,      positive [2] - 37:25,
121:23, 121:25             120:16, 131:4, 131:7,      81:21, 81:25, 82:24,     100:19                     40:8
  overwhelming [1] -       131:8, 131:11,             83:16, 83:23, 86:4,       pick [4] - 62:1, 66:10,    possible [7] - 5:10,
137:12                     131:16, 131:23,            106:12, 128:23,          79:3, 120:2                7:6, 45:17, 45:19,
  own [8] - 25:1, 27:4,    132:3, 136:16, 142:14      128:25, 131:5,            picked [3] - 61:22,       118:25, 123:13,
28:11, 52:21, 58:3,         partner [1] - 52:20       131:24, 133:8,           74:4, 114:8                123:15
58:8, 118:10, 122:5         party [3] - 17:9,         133:12, 133:24,           piece [1] - 79:15          post [10] - 84:1, 84:2,
                           30:23, 121:7               134:17, 134:23,           pile [1] - 72:8           84:3, 130:1, 131:13,
           P                patterns [1] - 60:4       135:17, 135:24,           pink [4] - 51:4,          131:14, 133:8, 136:1,
                            paying [1] - 32:19        136:17, 136:21,          56:11, 56:13, 72:10        137:17, 138:2
                            peer [8] - 10:10,         137:17, 142:12                                       post-December [1] -
                                                                                pivot [2] - 131:22,
 PAGE [1] - 3:9            10:11, 26:4, 26:6,          periods [4] - 83:18,    136:15                     130:1
 Page [12] - 64:14,        29:21, 38:4, 40:18,        84:11, 133:11, 134:15
                                                                                place [8] - 60:3, 60:4,    post-disclosure [4] -
71:6, 83:15, 83:21,        119:25                      perjuriously [1] -      65:3, 67:10, 68:7,         131:13, 131:14,
92:6, 94:3, 100:4,          peer-reviewed [7] -       127:15                   74:3, 140:23, 140:24       133:8, 137:17
101:8, 104:24,             10:10, 10:11, 26:4,         Perkins [5] - 76:25,     plain [1] - 137:6          post-Perkins [1] -
104:25, 115:1              26:6, 29:21, 38:4,         77:5, 84:2, 98:2, 98:4
                                                                                Plaintiff [1] - 1:4       84:2
 page [7] - 64:16,         119:25                      permission [1] -
                                                                                Plan [1] - 124:10          post-SEC [1] - 138:2
68:6, 91:3, 98:21,          pending [1] - 52:16       67:23
                                                                                plan [1] - 85:11           post-trading [1] -
113:4, 113:5, 140:19                                   perpetuate [1] -
                            penny [25] - 26:11,                                 platform [5] - 41:5,      84:1
 pages [2] - 90:24,        26:16, 32:4, 36:11,        120:24
                                                                               55:20, 62:4, 65:10,         posted [3] - 97:17,
91:5                       42:14, 42:16, 42:17,        perpetuation [1] -
                                                                               67:21                      106:20, 136:8
 paid [4] - 12:17,         54:9, 55:22, 55:23,        128:24
                                                                                plausible [1] -            postings [1] - 97:19
24:24, 31:7, 131:15        56:4, 56:11, 56:15,         persistent [1] -
                                                                               118:17                      potential [16] -
 pandemic [4] -            56:21, 56:22, 57:3,        125:20
                                                                                playing [1] - 6:9         53:11, 61:11, 64:12,
58:16, 75:7, 79:7,         57:6, 57:7, 57:17,          person [3] - 7:23,
                                                                                plays [1] - 125:9         75:21, 76:14, 77:20,
127:5                      57:23, 60:3, 60:15,        24:16, 105:22
                                                                                plea [3] - 103:4,         78:14, 79:6, 81:8,
 Panikar [3] - 4:16,       65:24, 103:25, 127:23       personal [2] - 74:6,
                                                                               104:21, 110:8              86:19, 86:23, 101:14,
71:23, 73:23                people [13] - 19:11,      92:16
                                                                                pleaded [7] - 87:3,       108:11, 111:4,
 PANIKAR [1] - 1:20        56:2, 56:3, 56:4,           personally [1] - 41:6
                                                                               87:5, 87:23, 103:1,        111:16, 120:23
 paper [2] - 35:19,        56:16, 59:25, 60:14,        perspective [7] -
                                                                               103:7, 109:18, 110:6        potentially [4] - 5:16,
56:14                      60:16, 79:4, 79:6,         7:12, 7:14, 66:16,
                                                                                pleadings [1] - 54:7      16:20, 38:19, 43:13
 Paragraph [8] - 71:6,     107:8, 122:1, 135:11       75:1, 77:1, 78:14,
                                                                                pled [4] - 109:21,         power [2] - 71:9,
94:3, 95:9, 96:3,           Peppel [1] - 137:18       88:19
                                                                               110:9, 125:5, 127:17       142:10
96:17, 96:22, 97:4,         per [5] - 7:23, 14:23,     persuade [1] -
                                                                                plotted [1] - 42:21        practical [1] - 78:13
102:12                     15:2, 15:4, 36:6           121:25
                                                                                plotting [1] - 26:21       practice [1] - 87:15
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 practitioner [2] -        previewed [1] -           principles [2] - 19:9,   95:12                      purchase [2] - 25:13,
109:24, 111:3             23:10                     119:19                     promote [1] - 129:8      44:14
 pre [1] - 47:10           previous [1] - 111:6      printout [1] - 59:24      promoted [1] -            purchased [6] - 24:3,
 pre-fraud [1] - 47:10     PREVIOUSLY [1] -          private [1] - 105:3      125:24                    24:6, 24:7, 24:9,
 preceding [3] -          117:1                      probable [1] - 129:13     proof [1] - 112:2        24:15, 32:4
18:15, 18:23, 23:20        previously [9] -          problem [2] - 8:10,       property [1] - 108:12     purchaser [1] - 66:4
 precise [2] - 90:15,     10:15, 14:20, 27:23,      61:9                       proposed [2] - 21:8,      purchasers [1] -
136:19                    30:15, 42:14, 50:13,       problematic [2] -        101:17                    25:2
 precisely [1] - 38:24    94:13, 118:7, 130:14      41:15, 76:15               proposition [2] -         purported [1] - 109:5
 preexisting [2] -         price [95] - 13:2,        procedural [1] -         135:2, 137:9               purpose [2] - 39:2,
119:11, 119:12            13:4, 13:13, 13:25,       122:6                      propositions [1] -       67:8
 preference [1] - 8:9     14:3, 14:19, 14:23,        procedure [1] -          138:4                      purposes [4] - 27:4,
 preferenced [1] -        15:1, 17:20, 17:23,       122:5                      protect [1] - 76:11      45:15, 76:13, 104:6
32:11                     18:17, 18:20, 19:13,       procedures [5] -          protection [1] -          pursuing [1] - 6:16
 preferred [16] -         19:16, 19:21, 19:24,      66:12, 66:16, 73:14,      76:12                      push [1] - 85:10
32:13, 32:20, 46:1,       20:3, 20:16, 20:25,       78:2, 105:16               protocols [4] -           pushing [2] - 126:7,
46:12, 46:13, 46:16,      21:5, 21:19, 23:19,        proceed [5] - 5:13,      64:25, 65:3, 65:13,       128:1
46:19, 82:9, 82:13,       23:22, 25:7, 25:13,       20:2, 49:15, 67:16,       128:16                     put [23] - 14:11,
82:20, 82:21, 83:1,       26:14, 26:22, 26:23,      81:13                      prove [2] - 112:11,      26:18, 42:25, 47:8,
83:10, 83:11              27:16, 28:2, 28:4,         proceeding [2] -         140:7                     48:1, 59:6, 59:18,
 prefers [1] - 124:22     28:14, 28:17, 28:24,      27:5, 108:13               proven [1] - 67:12       65:15, 67:25, 72:20,
 preliminary [1] -        29:11, 29:18, 35:24,       Proceedings [1] -         provide [1] - 59:11      73:21, 80:7, 89:8,
61:8                      36:3, 36:6, 37:10,        143:6                      provided [6] - 15:7,     100:6, 112:15,
 premise [1] - 130:13     37:13, 37:16, 37:24,       proceedings [2] -        15:8, 26:2, 54:2,         113:12, 113:17,
 preparation [2] -        38:1, 38:10, 38:12,       85:14, 144:6              108:18, 122:4             113:18, 117:10,
53:23, 122:18             38:14, 40:11, 41:20,       process [8] - 12:24,      provides [2] - 11:10,    117:12, 129:11,
 prepare [2] - 70:6,      42:11, 42:17, 42:22,      14:17, 58:9, 72:14,       126:17                    130:12
128:2                     42:23, 43:2, 43:7,        73:5, 99:9, 114:16,        proving [1] - 131:18      putting [3] - 116:9,
 prepared [4] - 8:7,      43:13, 44:19, 45:1,       128:11                     provision [1] - 123:4    128:8, 129:19
27:2, 70:5, 98:2          45:5, 45:18, 47:25,        processes [8] - 66:1,     proxy [1] - 137:23
                          48:1, 48:8, 48:20,
 preparing [2] - 46:8,                              66:12, 72:18, 73:14,       prudent [1] - 73:13                 Q
122:22                    48:22, 57:14, 74:19,      78:2, 105:16, 107:10       pseudonyms [1] -
 presence [1] -           74:20, 80:18, 81:20,       produced [1] - 144:6     130:11
                          83:15, 83:22, 105:19,                                                          qualifications [1] -
142:24                                               product [3] - 5:6,        public [12] - 46:6,
                          118:23, 119:8,                                                                9:2
 present [6] - 4:14,                                13:14, 133:16             46:9, 61:16, 82:25,
                          119:11, 119:12,                                                                qualified [1] - 10:22
5:3, 8:11, 8:14, 58:22,                              products [3] - 127:4,    83:5, 83:7, 91:9,
                          119:15, 120:24,                                                                quantitative [1] -
101:10                                              127:6, 128:9              93:17, 94:5, 97:14,
                          123:17, 123:20,                                                               9:20
 press [36] - 6:19,                                  professional [11] -      113:8, 130:15
                          125:10, 126:2, 128:7,                                                          quarterly [3] - 46:9,
44:8, 54:6, 61:21,                                  31:20, 31:23, 50:10,       PUBLIC [1] - 1:23
                          129:15, 130:2,                                                                83:7, 83:12
75:5, 75:18, 77:22,                                 50:11, 61:7, 75:12,        publication [1] -
                          130:19, 130:20,                                                                questioning [3] -
78:8, 78:24, 80:19,                                 80:1, 88:13, 103:16,      15:25
                          131:12, 131:13,                                                               67:24, 100:9, 109:16
81:6, 89:25, 94:13,                                 107:10, 111:25             publications [1] -
                          131:14, 132:14,                                                                questions [18] -
94:19, 94:23, 95:11,                                 Professor [24] - 5:7,    10:8
                          133:14, 137:23, 142:8                                                         30:3, 33:5, 47:4, 49:1,
95:12, 95:16, 96:5,                                 5:16, 7:3, 8:5, 8:17,      publicize [1] - 61:14
                           priced [1] - 56:3                                                            49:2, 49:6, 73:7, 82:7,
96:6, 96:8, 96:17,                                  10:3, 11:5, 11:18,         publicly [13] - 15:10,
                           prices [13] - 9:25,                                                          85:4, 89:21, 89:25,
96:22, 96:25, 97:1,                                 12:2, 12:4, 14:14,        34:10, 91:21, 92:25,
                          13:20, 13:21, 13:23,                                                          109:12, 115:23,
97:8, 97:13, 125:8,                                 16:4, 26:21, 27:14,       93:2, 93:6, 93:7, 93:9,
                          14:22, 18:4, 22:21,                                                           119:25, 121:10,
127:19, 128:4, 128:8,                               49:7, 79:9, 86:10,        97:12, 98:24, 101:12,
                          34:23, 38:6, 38:15,                                                           128:22, 130:23,
129:9, 129:19, 132:4,                               116:20, 117:4,            106:20, 107:6
                          41:15, 41:24, 42:2                                                            137:13
135:25, 141:19                                      117:19, 123:23,            publish [2] - 61:20,
                           Pricing [1] - 33:20      124:13, 133:20, 136:3                                quick [2] - 85:7, 91:1
 presumably [1] -                                                             65:19
90:11                      pricing [9] - 13:1,       professor [11] - 8:1,                               quit [1] - 135:12
                                                                               published [11] -
 pretrial [3] - 6:24,     13:3, 19:18, 20:11,       9:1, 9:7, 9:15, 12:8,                                quite [2] - 58:15,
                                                                              10:7, 10:9, 10:11,
128:19, 134:12            20:20, 27:24, 39:17,      15:5, 16:12, 31:21,                                 91:2
                                                                              10:13, 56:13, 93:13,
                          39:19, 128:6              116:21, 118:10,                                      quo [2] - 47:10,
 pretty [5] - 6:9,                                                            93:18, 93:22, 107:6,
                           primarily [1] - 72:15    121:15                                              48:13
65:16, 91:1, 126:20,                                                          107:8, 107:13
133:1                      primary [2] - 66:6,       profit [2] - 79:7,                                  quotations [3] -
                                                                               pull [10] - 35:20,
 prevent [1] - 65:10      68:18                     84:14                                               57:13, 65:19, 65:21
                                                                              62:5, 62:23, 66:5,
 prevented [1] -           principal [1] - 51:19     project [1] - 5:19                                  quote [8] - 95:13,
                                                                              66:7, 68:6, 69:5,
125:16                     principle [1] - 131:12    prominently [1] -                                  131:17, 134:13,
                                                                              71:23, 77:3, 90:19
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136:21, 137:14,           23:18, 25:19, 26:10,       REDIRECT [1] -           91:5, 116:17, 116:19,      106:18, 106:20,
137:21, 137:24,           30:1, 48:7, 111:10,       117:2                     116:25, 117:3, 118:9,      107:5, 110:15, 111:4,
139:18                    117:22, 119:5,             redirect [3] - 49:4,     121:10, 124:25,            137:22
 quotes [1] - 56:13       119:23, 133:17,           115:24, 116:5             126:14, 126:23,             reliable [7] - 10:25,
 quoting [1] - 95:12      140:10                     refer [3] - 24:18,       127:21, 128:21,            41:9, 41:17, 41:25,
                            reasonableness [12]     28:1, 58:24               130:4, 130:23,             42:4, 57:13, 119:19
           R              - 18:25, 20:22, 26:5,      reference [1] - 48:5     130:25, 142:19,             reliance [2] - 133:17,
                          26:7, 27:15, 29:22,        referenced [3] -         142:22, 143:5              140:10
                          117:25, 118:14,           44:7, 68:5, 71:8           Reilly [32] - 3:8, 4:7,    relied [2] - 107:9,
 R-E-I-L-L-Y [1] - 50:5   119:1, 119:18,                                      8:1, 8:6, 49:20, 50:3,     140:7
                                                     referred [1] - 48:18
 Rachel [1] - 4:8         119:21, 122:25                                      50:6, 53:14, 53:18,         rely [3] - 62:12, 63:7,
                                                     referring [3] - 31:24,
 RAMOS [1] - 1:18           reasonably [2] -                                  59:21, 67:24, 70:12,       124:13
                                                    45:7, 121:3
 Ramos [1] - 4:16         140:7, 141:7                                        85:19, 86:2, 86:25,         relying [1] - 141:8
                                                     reflect [4] - 25:20,
 ran [3] - 16:5, 26:1,      reasons [8] - 14:2,     28:23, 37:23, 38:19       87:5, 87:13, 88:12,         remain [2] - 28:17,
44:10                     37:25, 38:2, 41:14,                                 93:14, 100:18,             36:10
                                                     reflected [3] - 13:13,
 range [1] - 51:13        46:5, 61:5, 125:4,        39:19, 40:3               100:23, 102:18,             remained [1] - 126:3
 rareness [1] - 127:8     137:21                     reflects [3] - 26:14,    104:4, 105:25,              remains [4] - 39:16,
 RDR [3] - 2:1, 144:3,      rebuts [1] - 127:14     39:6, 39:9                106:13, 106:15,            67:11, 129:3, 131:19
144:12                      rebuttal [2] - 8:6,      refresh [1] - 90:24      112:3, 116:6, 116:24,       remember [8] -
 re [2] - 116:16,         49:5                       refused [1] - 6:21       120:4, 127:2, 140:25       33:22, 90:5, 105:18,
116:20                      recap [1] - 83:13                                  reilly's [1] - 117:4      107:17, 114:16,
                                                     refuting [1] - 126:6
 re-call [1] - 116:16       RECEIVED [1] - 3:9                                 related [6] - 6:4,        123:5, 123:7, 123:10
                                                     regard [2] - 18:13,
 re-calls [1] - 116:20      received [6] - 46:25,   80:6                      45:1, 58:18, 64:12,         remind [3] - 30:10,
 reach [1] - 75:17        50:7, 51:7, 51:17,         regarding [4] -          127:6, 134:17              85:19, 116:21
 reached [1] - 37:15      71:18, 140:1              75:17, 84:8, 84:20,        relates [1] - 108:17       remotely [2] - 5:17,
 reacting [1] - 41:24       recent [3] - 10:6,      89:22                      relating [5] - 53:15,     5:21
 read [15] - 31:16,       131:21, 140:12             regardless [1] -         75:18, 90:7, 93:15,         render [1] - 74:11
66:22, 69:15, 73:6,         recently [2] - 66:24,   114:11                    137:13                      renew [1] - 95:6
92:14, 97:11, 102:14,     73:7                       registered [1] -          relationship [11] -        repeat [4] - 36:1,
102:16, 110:14,             recess [2] - 85:8,      66:22                     18:20, 19:15, 19:21,       84:19, 107:1, 110:22
110:16, 110:18,           85:13                      regressed [1] - 23:21    19:23, 19:25, 20:15,        rephrase [1] - 39:8
110:20, 110:23,             recognize [2] - 43:6,                             20:19, 20:25, 21:4,         replicate [1] - 41:11
                                                     regression [20] -
111:1, 111:14             69:12                                               29:12, 29:16                report [12] - 11:4,
                                                    19:20, 20:5, 20:9,
 reading [4] - 92:19,       recognized [2] -        20:16, 23:21, 26:1,        relative [1] - 25:14      30:18, 30:20, 70:5,
94:16, 95:19, 96:13       12:5, 53:19               26:7, 29:6, 29:8,          relatively [1] - 121:1    70:6, 70:9, 70:19,
 ready [1] - 49:14          recollection [4] -      29:10, 29:21, 43:1,        release [22] - 61:20,     70:20, 70:22, 72:3,
 real [6] - 6:14, 6:15,   34:3, 34:25, 44:9,        43:10, 43:11, 44:1,       61:21, 62:14, 75:5,        83:15, 84:13
7:4, 132:9, 136:2,        44:12                     45:3, 45:16, 45:20,       76:24, 80:20, 81:6,         REPORTED [1] - 2:1
139:20                      recommend [1] -         119:21, 120:2             94:13, 94:23, 95:12,        REPORTER [6] -
 realize [1] - 132:18     131:9                      regression-type [1] -    95:16, 96:6, 96:8,         35:10, 68:12, 91:16,
 realized [1] - 123:18      recommendations         119:21                    96:18, 96:23, 96:25,       99:18, 99:21, 112:25
 realizing [1] - 125:16   [1] - 115:10               regressions [2] -        128:4, 132:5, 135:25,       Reporter [2] - 2:1,
 really [14] - 6:3,         record [15] - 4:5,      44:23, 44:24              141:19                     144:12
15:20, 17:7, 21:12,       8:24, 16:24, 48:17,        regulation [1] -          released [4] - 16:20,      reports [5] - 46:10,
24:21, 27:21, 47:19,      68:12, 70:18, 77:22,      50:13                     16:23, 91:8, 118:20        71:11, 83:8, 83:12
120:17, 128:22,           81:6, 85:16, 93:11,        regulations [3] -         releases [16] - 6:20,      represent [2] -
130:1, 130:15,            93:24, 116:3, 124:9,      51:15, 52:4, 52:6         44:8, 54:6, 75:18,         24:22, 108:4
134:14, 136:16,           137:4, 141:20              regulator [1] - 140:2    77:23, 78:8, 90:1,          representations [1] -
138:11                      records [2] - 71:10,                              94:19, 97:8, 97:13,        10:19
                                                     regulators [1] - 71:9
 reason [11] - 22:18,     76:4                                                101:16, 125:8,              representative [1] -
                                                     regulatory [3] - 52:3,
37:21, 38:23, 47:20,        RECROSS [1] -                                     127:19, 128:9, 129:9,      66:22
                                                    76:13, 113:7
88:14, 113:25,            121:13                                              129:19
                                                     REILLY [44] - 1:14,                                  reps [1] - 73:6
119:16, 121:3,              RECROSS-                                           relevance [2] - 92:4,
                                                    4:6, 8:4, 8:16, 8:22,                                 requesting [1] -
133:10, 135:12,           EXAMINATION [1] -                                   95:6
                                                    9:11, 11:15, 11:17,                                  98:16
138:12                    121:13                                               relevant [21] - 7:13,
                                                    11:20, 12:1, 12:7,                                    require [3] - 43:11,
 reasonable [23] -          recruiting [1] -                                  7:14, 18:1, 29:5,
                                                    14:11, 14:13, 15:15,                                 71:9, 119:20
12:15, 13:12, 15:11,      127:25                                              29:24, 39:7, 39:9,
                                                    18:10, 25:25, 26:18,                                  required [2] - 81:19,
15:12, 15:18, 15:25,        Red [1] - 3:3                                     39:13, 40:1, 41:19,
                                                    26:20, 27:7, 27:13,                                  101:20
19:5, 22:10, 22:12,         red [3] - 140:20,                                 104:4, 105:7, 105:12,
                                                    30:3, 35:20, 49:5,                                    requirements [2] -
22:16, 23:11, 23:16,      141:4                                               106:6, 106:15,
                                                    49:11, 49:22, 59:6,                                  51:15, 54:17
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 requires [3] - 19:14,    77:22, 83:5, 83:7,         10:2, 59:2                 seconds [1] - 116:1      58:2
105:19, 117:20            93:11, 107:21,              Schwab [3] - 66:9,        Section [5] - 1:15,       self-regulatory [1] -
 reschedule [1] - 5:17    110:14, 110:19,            67:21, 111:11             14:9, 33:20, 87:19,       52:3
 rescissory [3] -         110:25, 123:5, 124:4        scope [4] - 95:4,        136:22                     sell [5] - 44:13,
12:13, 86:7, 131:10        reviewed [27] -           100:10, 129:3, 130:10      section [6] - 31:4,      56:24, 57:14, 119:16,
 research [5] - 9:17,     10:10, 10:11, 15:10,        screen [5] - 59:7,       31:8, 72:4, 79:10,        121:4
9:18, 9:19, 9:22,         22:1, 24:5, 26:4, 26:6,    59:16, 63:22, 69:15,      109:1, 135:15              selling [2] - 22:2,
31:17                     29:21, 33:2, 38:4,         72:23                      securities [30] -        22:18
 researched [1] - 41:4    55:19, 62:15, 63:3,         screening [2] -          10:16, 30:19, 31:17,       send [1] - 55:8
 resonate [1] - 17:13     63:10, 68:23, 74:17,       95:14, 96:8               32:14, 34:24, 51:2,        sense [4] - 24:13,
 respect [3] - 76:11,     83:5, 90:6, 93:14,          script [3] - 66:23,      51:10, 51:13, 51:19,      32:18, 132:11, 141:24
90:7, 126:9               93:20, 97:18, 103:5,       73:6, 111:14              52:3, 54:10, 54:12,        sent [3] - 105:3,
 respects [1] - 29:4      111:3, 119:25,              scroll [2] - 70:8,       54:14, 54:21, 54:24,      125:21, 132:7
 respond [2] - 24:8,      122:23, 122:24, 124:3      90:23                     55:7, 56:4, 56:21,         sentencing [12] -
99:12                      revise [1] - 135:8         SEC [83] - 44:4, 44:7,   64:15, 66:7, 66:15,       14:9, 28:1, 80:12,
 responding [2] -          revising [1] - 138:21     44:20, 60:25, 61:2,       72:10, 72:20, 87:6,       85:10, 105:18,
18:17, 29:18               rise [1] - 97:10          61:5, 61:14, 61:16,       87:14, 87:19, 92:15,      105:22, 122:14,
 response [7] - 98:9,      risk [6] - 57:15,         62:3, 62:14, 64:1,        114:9, 134:3, 141:7       124:3, 124:14,
98:10, 99:7, 99:16,       66:16, 72:18, 111:5,       65:8, 66:25, 75:7,         Securities [3] - 11:1,   136:20, 143:2
99:19, 101:5, 108:6       111:16, 130:5              75:20, 75:24, 76:2,       52:5, 62:9                 Sentencing [3] -
 responsive [1] -          risk-based [1] -          76:4, 76:9, 76:21,         security [21] - 36:14,   12:14, 74:14, 136:22
42:18                     72:18                      76:25, 89:4, 89:16,       57:14, 57:18, 65:20,       separate [1] - 128:22
 rest [3] - 120:13,        riskier [2] - 57:17,      89:18, 89:21, 92:25,      66:23, 72:24, 73:4,        Series [2] - 51:14,
120:19, 134:16            57:18                      97:11, 97:15, 97:23,      73:8, 73:12, 74:20,       51:21
 restate [2] - 82:16,      risks [2] - 57:5,         98:2, 98:22, 99:9,        75:22, 78:4, 78:16,        serious [1] - 73:7
107:1                     130:9                      101:3, 102:21,            88:15, 88:20, 88:22,       seriously [1] -
 result [11] - 32:11,      risky [1] - 57:19         103:25, 104:15,           89:6, 107:11, 110:3,      120:15
45:25, 46:12, 82:12,       role [5] - 9:14, 52:22,   104:18, 105:5, 106:1,     111:16, 142:8              served [1] - 10:15
82:20, 83:10, 126:2,      76:9, 76:10, 125:9         106:11, 106:16,            see [48] - 5:24, 7:8,     serves [1] - 60:1
132:8, 140:9, 140:21,      Room [1] - 2:3            106:21, 107:6, 107:7,     14:14, 18:21, 38:14,       Service [1] - 91:11
141:10                     room [1] - 6:9            108:1, 109:3, 109:10,     43:21, 60:11, 64:3,        services [5] - 11:8,
 resulted [1] - 127:6      roughly [2] - 64:16,      109:13, 109:18,           66:7, 66:11, 67:6,        11:11, 52:25, 53:15,
 resulting [1] - 117:21   123:3                      110:1, 110:7, 110:10,     68:7, 69:3, 69:17,        53:19
 results [1] - 26:7        round [1] - 36:23         111:15, 113:11,           70:9, 71:15, 74:6,         set [7] - 12:13, 13:19,
 resume [1] - 85:10        rule [4] - 43:18,         113:17, 113:22,           74:8, 78:11, 84:13,       28:11, 46:20, 46:22,
 resumed [2] - 75:10,     135:23, 142:4, 142:5       117:17, 119:7,            85:1, 86:24, 93:24,       65:13, 139:6
103:15                     ruled [1] - 139:25        121:16, 121:18,           94:8, 96:1, 97:19,         Set [1] - 10:22
                           rules [4] - 33:13,        121:21, 121:23,           98:20, 100:12,             settled [1] - 30:20
 resumption [3] -
                          51:15, 52:4, 52:6          121:25, 122:4, 125:6,     100:18, 101:8,             several [2] - 79:2,
69:1, 80:3, 80:21
                           run [1] - 9:1             125:13, 125:19,           101:23, 102:10,           139:1
 retrieved [1] - 69:18
                                                     125:22, 126:6,            102:24, 104:2,
 returns [3] - 20:13,                                                                                     shaded [1] - 44:17
                                                     126:11, 126:14,           104:22, 107:24,
20:14, 128:7                         S               126:18, 127:9,            108:2, 108:4, 108:8,
                                                                                                          share [10] - 14:23,
 revealed [19] - 15:22,                                                                                  15:2, 15:4, 23:1, 23:3,
                                                     127:17, 128:2,            108:16, 109:8,
15:24, 16:2, 18:1,                                                                                       25:10, 44:19, 47:12,
                           Sachs [1] - 50:17         135:10, 136:12,           110:14, 126:10,
48:21, 86:13, 86:17,                                                                                     83:24, 130:2
                           satisfied [1] - 41:23     137:13, 137:22,           127:23, 128:6,
88:25, 89:10, 103:11,                                                                                     shared [2] - 37:9,
                           satisfies [1] - 28:22     138:2, 139:4, 141:1,      128:10, 143:2
111:20, 112:4,                                                                                           125:22
                           saw [9] - 31:19,          142:2                      Seefried [1] - 137:2
118:18, 123:9, 126:4,                                                                                     shareholder [12] -
                          58:17, 58:19, 68:23,        SEC's [9] - 80:20,        seeing [2] - 90:13,
128:17, 129:4, 129:7,                                                                                    46:1, 46:20, 47:1,
                          78:8, 93:11, 102:7,        90:6, 93:14, 103:2,       107:17
130:21                                                                                                   82:13, 105:5, 106:21,
                          123:15, 129:22             103:7, 125:11,             seem [7] - 6:4, 15:12,
 revelation [2] -                                                                                        107:6, 107:7, 107:23,
                           scale [1] - 43:4          125:21, 130:15,           15:19, 16:18, 16:21,
14:24, 123:17                                                                                            109:1, 110:16, 110:18
                           scales [1] - 43:5         138:25                    17:3, 79:4
 reverse [1] - 121:23                                                                                     shareholders [12] -
                           schedule [2] - 98:22,      sec.gov [2] - 61:18,      segment [4] - 54:13,
 reversed [2] - 97:16,                                                                                   24:19, 46:12, 47:2,
                          143:1                      61:20                     54:20, 57:15, 58:12
137:20                                                                                                   82:20, 83:10, 86:22,
                           scheme [4] - 103:3,        second [10] - 13:11,      segments [1] - 60:16
 reverted [1] - 130:19                                                                                   86:25, 87:2, 87:8,
                          103:8, 139:17, 141:18      16:3, 23:9, 47:7,          select [2] - 15:13,
 review [20] - 32:7,                                                                                     87:22, 108:5, 125:7
                           School [3] - 9:4, 9:6,    58:11, 97:20, 114:16,     21:10
46:6, 46:7, 46:9,                                                                                         shares [84] - 13:6,
                          9:13                       131:11, 136:15,            self [2] - 52:3, 58:2
53:24, 54:1, 61:12,                                                                                      13:25, 14:1, 14:4,
                           school [3] - 9:15,        136:16                     self-directed [1] -
70:11, 70:14, 71:19,                                                                                     21:24, 22:3, 22:4,
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22:5, 22:8, 22:9,           simple [1] - 43:20        speaks [1] - 120:14        statement [6] - 36:8,     43:9, 43:13, 43:14,
22:16, 22:17, 22:19,        simply [3] - 14:3,        special [1] - 50:12       40:6, 45:12, 92:9,         44:4, 44:14, 45:1,
22:20, 22:22, 23:24,       15:3, 51:1                 specialize [1] - 9:16     92:23, 104:21              45:5, 45:18, 46:2,
23:25, 24:2, 24:6,          single [1] - 135:1        specialized [2] -          statements [22] -         46:10, 46:13, 55:19,
24:11, 24:12, 24:14,        sitting [1] - 5:13       51:7, 51:17                16:25, 48:17, 94:14,       56:11, 57:9, 57:23,
24:15, 24:18, 24:19,        situation [1] - 43:7      specialty [1] - 9:22      95:17, 95:18, 96:9,        58:14, 60:3, 61:3,
24:23, 25:1, 25:3,          six [1] - 25:6            specific [38] - 21:9,     96:10, 97:2, 97:13,        65:5, 65:10, 66:17,
25:5, 25:16, 32:6,          skill [1] - 16:13        21:19, 26:13, 27:17,       120:8, 121:9, 127:17,      67:2, 67:12, 67:21,
32:9, 32:10, 32:11,         skimmed [1] -            28:2, 29:14, 29:19,        133:17, 134:16,            68:8, 68:22, 69:1,
32:12, 32:13, 32:17,       110:25                    37:11, 37:13, 39:5,        135:6, 135:8, 136:8,       74:4, 75:11, 78:25,
32:22, 32:23, 33:4,         skis [1] - 6:19          41:17, 42:4, 42:16,        136:10, 138:22,            79:11, 79:25, 82:9,
36:24, 36:25, 37:7,         skull [12] - 65:16,      45:8, 45:9, 45:11,         139:19, 141:3, 141:8       82:14, 82:19, 82:21,
45:24, 45:25, 46:2,        66:3, 66:8, 67:25,        45:13, 45:16, 45:17,        states [1] - 100:3        83:1, 83:8, 83:9,
46:4, 46:11, 46:13,        68:4, 111:7, 111:8,       51:5, 56:15, 65:8,          States [20] - 2:2, 4:2,   83:11, 89:19, 103:25,
46:14, 46:16, 46:18,       112:10, 114:7,            72:18, 87:16, 87:17,       4:7, 8:17, 12:14,          104:1, 105:17,
46:20, 46:23, 46:24,       126:12, 140:17,           94:2, 94:3, 106:7,         71:13, 72:7, 73:13,        109:25, 113:13,
48:24, 54:25, 55:3,        140:18                    106:9, 118:1, 118:3,       74:14, 85:16, 131:19,      114:11, 114:13,
56:24, 57:22, 58:5,         sleeps [1] - 49:18       118:11, 118:20,            135:3, 135:21, 137:2,      114:19, 115:9,
58:6, 71:14, 72:6,          slide [4] - 68:9,        118:23, 119:2, 120:1,      137:18, 138:6,             115:11, 115:12,
82:8, 82:11, 82:12,        68:15, 68:16, 73:24       141:3                      139:14, 139:23,            115:21, 117:10,
82:14, 82:19, 82:21,        slides [1] - 67:23        specifically [8] -        140:11, 144:13             119:15, 119:17,
82:23, 83:2, 83:9,                                   19:6, 44:7, 53:4,           STATES [3] - 1:1,         121:4, 125:10, 126:3,
                            small [6] - 20:13,
83:11, 84:12, 84:14,                                 55:13, 64:11, 89:25,       1:3, 1:11                  128:6, 128:7, 129:15,
                           27:24, 29:3, 34:13,
105:20, 106:2                                        94:22, 106:3                stating [1] - 95:13       129:17, 129:22,
                           34:14, 57:20
 Sheet [6] - 54:5,                                    specificity [5] -          statistically [8] -       130:19, 132:19,
                            small-cap [1] - 57:20
71:8, 71:11, 71:19,                                  106:12, 122:16,            19:22, 20:15, 20:19,       133:14, 140:15
                            so-called [1] - 20:12
72:2                                                 122:18, 122:20,            20:24, 29:12, 29:15,        stocks [40] - 17:11,
                            sold [1] - 25:6
 sheet [2] - 56:11,                                  122:22                     43:14, 43:17               26:12, 26:16, 28:10,
                            sole [1] - 52:21
72:10                                                 speculation [5] -          status [3] - 47:10,       28:16, 33:7, 33:25,
                            sole-member [1] -
 sheets [1] - 51:4                                   57:23, 57:25, 60:2,        48:13, 85:8                34:2, 34:6, 34:7,
                           52:21
 Sheets [1] - 106:11                                 60:4, 88:9                  stay [2] - 67:10,         34:15, 36:6, 36:11,
                            solitary [1] - 135:1
 shocked [1] - 9:9                                    speculative [10] -        67:14                      37:23, 38:17, 40:23,
                            someone [4] - 54:23,
 short [1] - 85:8                                    57:19, 57:25, 66:17,        stays [1] - 129:17        41:21, 41:23, 42:14,
                           56:11, 56:20, 129:23
 shorthand [1] -                                     66:23, 72:19, 72:24,        Stein [1] - 140:11        46:11, 47:11, 54:9,
                            soon [3] - 5:19, 68:8,
78:23                                                73:15, 73:16, 73:21,        stenographic [1] -        55:12, 55:22, 55:23,
                           68:21
 show [3] - 84:14,                                   114:15                     144:5                      56:4, 56:5, 56:15,
                            sorry [18] - 16:6,
99:24, 104:20                                         speculators [4] -          step [7] - 20:21,         56:21, 56:22, 57:3,
                           23:23, 35:10, 36:1,
 showed [1] - 35:16                                  58:20, 60:10, 78:22,       27:14, 49:7, 103:24,       57:6, 57:7, 57:17,
                           43:19, 63:18, 68:12,
 showing [2] - 97:23,                                79:10                      116:6, 118:13, 123:24      58:19, 60:15, 65:24,
                           80:24, 82:16, 87:15,
101:21                                                spell [2] - 8:23, 50:4     steps [3] - 13:16,        114:23, 127:10,
                           98:6, 98:15, 99:18,
 shows [6] - 26:11,                                   staff [1] - 98:2          23:17, 58:11               127:23
                           99:22, 104:25, 107:2,
26:16, 42:8, 69:18,                                   standard [10] -            stick [1] - 19:2           Stocks [1] - 33:21
                           115:1, 122:9
129:15, 130:17                                       19:13, 19:18, 20:11,        still [7] - 43:15,         stop [1] - 121:20
                            sort [12] - 5:5, 5:6,
 signed [3] - 92:21,                                 20:20, 27:23, 28:6,        81:18, 85:19, 111:16,       stopped [1] - 68:22
                           5:21, 6:17, 6:25, 7:21,
92:22, 125:23                                        40:15, 48:19, 51:23,       116:22, 119:15, 129:3       straight [2] - 95:13,
                           21:9, 21:17, 40:16,
 significance [1] -                                  54:7                        stipulated [1] - 6:25     95:14
                           95:22, 119:20, 124:17
72:12                                                 standing [1] - 100:9       Stock [2] - 51:18,         straightforward [2] -
                            sorts [1] - 122:7
 significant [11] -                                   standpoint [1] -          54:16                      65:17, 80:17
                            Souder [1] - 4:9
19:23, 20:15, 20:19,                                 122:6                       stock [106] - 9:25,        strategies [1] - 60:13
                            sought [1] - 101:18
20:24, 29:12, 29:15,                                  start [1] - 4:22          13:5, 18:20, 18:21,         Street [3] - 1:21,
                            sounds [5] - 31:10,
43:14, 43:17, 44:25,                                  started [7] - 8:2, 8:3,   19:7, 19:12, 19:16,        61:23, 64:10
                           33:13, 35:4, 90:2,
89:5, 129:16                                         15:23, 48:1, 50:11,        19:21, 19:24, 20:3,         stressed [1] - 133:8
                           123:3
 significantly [2] -                                 52:11, 53:2                21:4, 21:20, 23:13,         strong [1] - 76:10
                            source [2] - 40:22,
48:15, 127:8                                          starting [2] - 4:5,       26:21, 26:23, 27:16,        strongly [2] - 40:3,
                           41:15
 similar [8] - 29:4,                                 13:17                      28:11, 28:21, 29:10,       76:21
                            Southern [3] - 10:23,
38:8, 39:4, 48:22,                                    starts [1] - 5:18         29:18, 32:4, 32:7,          structured [1] - 8:7
                           139:14, 139:16
126:12, 138:5, 139:4,                                 state [10] - 8:23,        32:15, 33:10, 37:10,        stuck [1] - 54:5
                            space [2] - 10:1,
139:8                                                52:3, 52:16, 84:8,         37:13, 37:16, 37:21,        Studies [1] - 10:13
                           34:12
 similarity [2] - 34:21,                             84:20, 84:24, 92:13,       38:6, 38:13, 41:15,         study [5] - 19:11,
                            speaking [3] - 13:19,
37:19                                                95:17, 96:9, 140:2         42:2, 42:17, 43:7,         19:14, 20:1, 20:7,
                           15:19, 32:13
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51:23                        supervise [1] - 51:20   49:22, 117:1                Tennessee [1] -            63:22, 64:21, 65:23,
 stuff [1] - 60:12           Supplement [1] -         symbol [8] - 111:9,       52:15                       65:25, 66:3, 66:5,
 sub [1] - 57:18           139:25                    111:18, 112:20,             Tenth [1] - 1:21           67:1, 67:4, 67:9,
 sub-asset [1] - 57:18       support [5] - 100:1,    113:25, 114:11,             term [6] - 24:14,          67:11, 67:15, 68:2,
 Subdivision [1] -         102:8, 104:21,            114:13, 114:18, 115:2      24:17, 56:2, 56:12,         68:12, 69:24, 71:2,
136:23                     119:21, 124:14             syncing [1] - 42:24       136:25                      77:14, 77:17, 77:19,
 subject [1] - 49:5          suppose [1] - 132:16     synonymous [1] -           terminate [8] - 90:4,      78:5, 78:8, 78:18,
 submission [3] -            surprise [1] - 36:17    56:8                       90:10, 90:17, 91:20,        78:20, 78:21, 78:22,
99:7, 101:2, 101:6           surprised [1] - 5:24     system [3] - 55:11,       98:10, 98:19, 100:1,        79:1, 79:2, 79:13,
 submissions [1] -           surprisingly [1] -      55:14, 55:15               102:9                       80:24, 81:1, 81:2,
98:16                      72:5                       systematic [2] -           termination [1] -          81:5, 81:10, 81:11,
 submit [5] - 71:10,         suspend [7] - 44:4,     29:9, 119:20               92:14                       81:13, 82:4, 83:21,
124:14, 133:19,            61:2, 61:5, 61:6, 76:9,    systematically [2] -       terminology [1] -          85:6, 85:15, 85:18,
139:21, 141:6              76:16, 113:13             28:3, 45:4                 27:19                       85:21, 85:22, 88:8,
 submitted [3] -             suspended [11] -                                    terms [7] - 76:22,         88:10, 91:7, 91:16,
                                                                                                            91:17, 92:5, 95:5,
30:20, 31:14, 125:19       65:5, 66:24, 68:8,                   T               78:3, 78:10, 81:7,
 subpoena [2] - 71:9,      68:22, 73:7, 89:18,                                  89:15, 111:22, 114:7        95:7, 97:5, 99:18,
140:1                      89:21, 109:25,                                        test [8] - 7:6, 95:25,     99:20, 99:21, 99:22,
                                                      table [3] - 4:8, 83:22,   96:1, 101:14, 101:17,       100:7, 100:12,
 subscribe [2] -           111:15, 113:8, 141:2
                                                     139:6                      102:1, 141:14               102:16, 104:12,
59:25, 62:2                  suspending [3] -
                                                      tables [2] - 46:10,        testified [9] - 30:15,     106:24, 107:1,
 Subsection [1] -          61:17, 75:22, 127:9
                                                     83:8                       30:22, 31:1, 52:8,          112:25, 113:1, 115:4,
136:23                       suspension [69] -
                                                      tag [1] - 7:24            90:6, 122:8, 122:9,         115:24, 116:2, 116:6,
 subsequent [4] -          17:1, 44:7, 44:10,
                           44:15, 44:16, 44:20,       tag-teaming [1] -         122:12, 127:2               116:9, 116:15,
81:21, 81:25, 83:1,
                           61:14, 61:22, 62:4,       7:24                        testify [5] - 5:8, 5:16,   116:18, 116:21,
83:18
                           62:8, 63:1, 63:9, 65:9,    talks [3] - 64:10,        8:5, 11:14, 140:25          116:23, 118:8,
 subsequently [1] -
                           65:11, 65:12, 66:20,      96:17, 96:22                testimony [19] -           121:11, 123:23,
64:4
                           73:3, 75:8, 75:20,         tanked [1] - 130:2        7:12, 8:6, 10:25, 11:1,     124:1, 124:8, 124:11,
 subset [1] - 40:2
                           76:22, 77:21, 80:20,       targeted [1] - 125:7      11:12, 26:2, 30:16,         124:20, 124:23,
 substance [1] -
                           84:2, 89:4, 89:17,         Targeting [1] - 64:10     53:23, 60:2, 74:23,         126:8, 126:20,
123:8
                           90:4, 90:8, 90:11,         TAUBMAN [15] -            79:15, 88:24, 103:13,       127:20, 128:18,
 substantial [1] -
                           90:17, 91:20, 92:15,      1:18, 11:22, 12:3,         111:6, 116:11,              129:21, 130:22,
120:10
                           93:15, 94:4, 97:10,       27:9, 30:8, 30:11,         116:13, 117:4, 122:24       130:24, 132:1, 132:7,
 subtle [1] - 121:1
                           97:16, 97:24, 98:11,      30:14, 35:15, 35:18,        tests [2] - 51:24,         132:21, 132:25,
 suffered [3] - 12:16,
                           98:19, 98:25, 99:3,       35:21, 35:22, 45:22,       55:25                       134:1, 134:8, 136:11,
21:3, 30:1
                           99:4, 99:8, 100:2,        45:23, 47:4, 49:3           textualist [1] - 137:6     136:24, 137:3, 138:1,
 suffice [1] - 133:20
                           101:9, 101:15,             Taubman [3] - 4:17,                                   138:17, 141:9,
 sufficient [2] - 41:24,                                                         THE [178] - 1:1, 1:10,
                           101:21, 102:9,            30:11, 49:1                                            142:17, 142:21,
73:20                                                                           1:14, 1:17, 1:23, 3:4,
                           103:24, 105:16,            TD [8] - 50:21, 58:1,                                 142:23
 suggest [3] - 17:14,                                                           3:7, 4:1, 4:11, 4:20,
                           108:9, 108:14,            58:2, 66:9, 72:8, 73:5,                                 theft [1] - 108:11
124:10, 132:22                                                                  5:23, 6:7, 7:8, 7:16,
                           110:21, 110:24,           73:9, 111:11               7:22, 7:25, 8:10, 8:15,      themselves [1] -
 suggested [1] -
                           111:2, 111:23,             teach [1] - 10:2          8:19, 8:20, 9:8, 9:10,      127:11
126:6
                           113:11, 113:19,            team [1] - 124:7          11:23, 12:4, 15:5,           theoretical [2] - 6:18,
 suggesting [2] -
                           114:1, 119:6, 121:24,      teaming [1] - 7:24        15:8, 15:14, 16:6,          84:14
17:10, 129:24
                           122:1, 125:2, 125:11,      technical [1] - 27:19     16:14, 17:9, 17:17,          theoretically [2] -
 suggestion [1] -
                           126:6, 126:18,             technically [3] -         18:9, 23:23, 24:4,          5:9, 7:6
74:15
                           127:18, 137:16,           6:22, 30:24, 55:14         24:14, 24:17, 25:5,          theory [1] - 9:19
 suggests [2] -
                           138:24, 140:22             technology [6] - 5:6,     25:12, 25:24, 27:10,         thereby [1] - 119:17
117:24, 129:21
                             suspension/halt [1]     5:9, 6:18, 6:22, 7:4,      30:5, 30:10, 30:13,          therefore [3] - 38:14,
 Suisse [1] - 10:23
                           - 113:7                   101:13                     35:10, 35:12, 47:6,         82:1, 123:19
 Suite [1] - 1:25
                             suspensions [9] -        tellingly [1] - 134:25    47:13, 47:14, 47:17,         therein [1] - 92:17
 summarize [1] -
                           60:25, 61:13, 65:1,        temporary [1] -           47:18, 47:23, 48:9,          Thereupon [1] -
10:21
                           65:9, 76:2, 76:3,         126:18                     48:16, 49:1, 49:4,          85:13
 summarized [1] -
                           121:22, 127:3, 127:7       ten [3] - 41:8,           49:7, 49:10, 49:13,          they've [2] - 7:2, 61:7
72:3
                             sustained [4] -         124:17, 124:19             49:17, 49:23, 53:18,         third [9] - 111:19,
 summary [1] - 33:25
                           104:12, 118:8,             tend [3] - 18:21,         56:8, 56:10, 56:18,         112:3, 112:6, 113:6,
 summation [2] -
                           141:10, 142:15            34:13, 42:14               59:1, 59:2, 59:5, 59:8,     120:9, 120:16, 121:7,
116:12, 124:17
                             sworn [4] - 92:9,        tenders [2] - 59:4,       59:11, 59:15, 59:19,        131:16, 135:9
 summer [6] - 125:3,
                           92:13, 92:23, 102:12      100:21                     60:8, 60:9, 60:21,           third-party [1] -
125:19, 126:3,
                             SWORN [3] - 8:18,        tends [1] - 36:7          62:20, 62:23, 63:15,        121:7
128:20, 130:20, 134:6
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 thoughtful [1] - 79:9      trading [114] - 9:18,    treat [1] - 126:11        83:12, 111:13              62:5, 62:23, 66:6,
 thousand [1] - 58:5       9:24, 9:25, 17:1,         trend [3] - 10:6, 36:2,                              66:7, 66:16, 68:1,
 three [9] - 8:11, 84:1,   17:11, 32:20, 44:4,      42:21                                 U               68:6, 69:5, 71:24,
89:9, 108:7, 108:23,       44:15, 51:6, 54:19,       trendline [3] - 42:8,                                72:20, 74:7, 77:3,
125:18, 133:19,            55:11, 55:15, 56:6,      42:11, 42:12                                          80:8, 80:16, 81:18,
                           56:21, 57:2, 57:15,                                  U.S [5] - 1:15, 62:9,     81:20, 90:19, 95:13,
142:13                                               TREVOR [1] - 1:10
                           57:25, 58:4, 59:25,                                 135:5, 137:19, 139:15      95:14, 112:15,
 thrilled [1] - 7:9                                  trial [4] - 5:8, 7:10,
                           60:4, 60:13, 60:25,                                  ultimate [1] - 20:18      113:12, 120:2,
 throughout [5] -                                   7:13
                           61:2, 61:6, 61:13,                                   ultimately [2] -          122:14, 124:11,
50:10, 50:14, 51:9,                                  trials [1] - 128:14
                           61:14, 61:19, 61:22,                                18:24, 19:4                132:9, 134:25, 139:6,
52:2, 133:23                                         tried [2] - 67:20, 74:5
                           63:2, 64:25, 65:4,                                   uncertainty [1] -         141:1, 141:13
 TIAA [1] - 50:19                                    trigger [3] - 137:17,
                           65:8, 65:10, 66:13,                                 127:4                       update [1] - 121:5
 TIAA-CREF [1] -                                    138:15, 140:2
                           66:20, 68:22, 69:1,                                  uncontested [2] -          updated [1] - 64:4
50:19                                                true [8] - 22:14,
                           71:10, 72:10, 72:19,                                139:11, 141:16              upheld [2] - 135:20,
 timeframe [1] - 60:5                               48:24, 91:12, 92:17,
                           73:3, 73:12, 73:15,                                  uncorrelated [1] -        137:20
 timeline [1] - 130:1                               94:14, 136:14, 144:4,
                           74:5, 75:8, 75:10,                                  27:16                       upholding [1] -
 title [1] - 64:8                                   144:5
                           75:20, 76:2, 76:3,                                   undefined [1] - 137:5     101:9
 today [14] - 29:20,                                 truly [1] - 130:18
                           76:9, 76:15, 76:16,                                  under [16] - 6:13,         URL [1] - 69:18
31:3, 53:23, 69:3,                                   truth [20] - 15:22,
                           76:21, 77:20, 77:25,                                7:15, 13:18, 22:25,         uses [5] - 18:18,
70:22, 108:6, 116:13,                               48:21, 86:13, 86:16,
                           78:20, 79:3, 79:4,                                  30:20, 51:1, 55:23,        23:3, 38:5, 38:24,
121:20, 122:14,                                     86:17, 88:1, 88:4,
                           80:4, 80:20, 80:21,                                 82:1, 85:19, 113:4,        43:3
122:17, 122:18,                                     88:18, 88:23, 88:25,
                           80:22, 84:1, 89:4,                                  113:12, 116:22,             utilized [1] - 101:14
124:21, 125:12,                                     89:9, 89:12, 103:11,
                           89:5, 89:16, 89:18,                                 126:5, 131:18, 132:9,
142:25                                              111:20, 112:4,
                           89:21, 90:4, 90:8,                                  142:13
 today's [2] - 27:5,                                118:18, 123:6,
                                                                                undercuts [1] -
                                                                                                                     V
31:13                      90:11, 90:17, 91:20,     123:14, 126:4, 136:20
                           92:15, 93:15, 97:10,                                136:6
 together [1] - 39:3                                 try [5] - 16:10, 59:12,
                           97:15, 97:24, 98:11,                                 underlying [2] -           vaccine [1] - 95:15
 took [6] - 14:20,                                  67:2, 87:15, 124:19
                           98:19, 98:25, 99:3,                                 98:25, 139:9                valuation [1] - 9:20
14:21, 15:3, 23:17,                                  trying [6] - 25:9,
                           99:4, 99:8, 100:1,                                   undermine [1] -            value [13] - 14:5,
23:19, 36:22                                        28:13, 58:20, 88:3,
                           101:9, 101:15,                                      134:20                     20:13, 23:12, 24:13,
 tool [1] - 119:21                                  97:15, 103:18
                           101:21, 102:9,                                       undermines [1] -          25:20, 27:25, 41:17,
 top [5] - 35:6, 35:12,                              turn [10] - 16:9, 23:9,
                           103:14, 103:24,                                     127:8                      46:24, 48:24, 54:21,
69:17, 72:8, 108:4                                  42:7, 63:18, 70:2,
                           108:9, 108:14,                                       understood [3] -          58:18, 120:7, 130:13
 topic [1] - 120:23                                 71:5, 73:23, 98:21,
                           110:20, 110:23,                                     5:25, 15:14, 95:7           variable [2] - 133:13,
 topics [1] - 10:1                                  100:4, 101:8
                           111:16, 111:23,                                      undertook [2] -           133:18
 total [1] - 14:5                                    turning [2] - 21:7,
                           113:8, 113:11,                                      12:25, 14:17                variety [3] - 54:2,
 totality [4] - 16:1,                               21:21
                           113:19, 114:1, 114:9,                                unfortunately [1] -       54:8, 129:11
23:17, 118:19, 119:3                                 Tuzman [1] - 139:14
                           119:6, 121:22,                                      41:21                       various [3] - 50:13,
 totally [3] - 6:17,                                 twisted [1] - 102:22
                           121:24, 122:1, 125:2,                                UNITED [3] - 1:1,         52:3, 136:11
136:5, 137:6                                         two [29] - 5:3, 5:14,
                           125:11, 126:6,                                      1:3, 1:11                   vary [1] - 88:2
 tracking [1] - 20:3                                12:14, 14:1, 15:3,
                           126:18, 127:3, 127:7,                                united [1] - 2:2           venue [1] - 66:6
 tracks [1] - 40:23                                 21:24, 22:6, 22:24,
                           127:18, 141:2                                        United [19] - 4:2, 4:7,    verify [1] - 32:10
 trade [21] - 33:16,                                25:18, 38:8, 38:15,
                            training [1] - 51:7                                8:16, 12:14, 71:13,         versa [1] - 38:1
36:9, 54:15, 54:21,                                 42:21, 42:25, 43:21,
                            trains [1] - 51:14                                 72:7, 73:13, 74:14,         version [1] - 35:18
54:23, 55:13, 55:16,                                43:23, 53:9, 65:14,
                            transact [1] - 51:2                                85:16, 131:19, 135:3,       versus [12] - 4:2,
57:10, 62:8, 65:20,                                 68:25, 76:4, 76:13,
                            transactions [3] -                                 135:21, 137:2,             16:20, 85:17, 131:20,
66:18, 66:25, 67:20,                                84:10, 86:12, 91:5,
                           58:7, 75:14, 107:11      108:17, 108:19,            137:18, 138:6,             135:4, 135:21, 137:2,
72:15, 73:4, 105:16,
                            transcript [2] -        108:23, 109:3,             139:14, 139:23,            137:18, 138:6,
110:2, 111:2, 111:13,
                           144:5, 144:6             128:22, 140:4              140:11, 144:13             139:14, 139:23,
111:17, 121:20
                            TRANSCRIPT [1] -         type [7] - 38:24,          University [4] - 9:3,     140:11
 traded [14] - 13:5,
                           1:10                     51:5, 52:11, 88:17,        9:5, 9:13, 50:7             viability [1] - 130:9
28:6, 28:21, 28:24,
                            transmission [1] -      107:11, 119:21, 120:3       unknown [1] -              vice [1] - 38:1
33:7, 34:11, 36:6,
                           9:23                      typed [1] - 140:16        137:10                      victims [13] - 21:3,
37:23, 40:23, 41:18,
                            transmit [2] - 55:9,     types [5] - 38:20,         up [49] - 5:2, 6:17,      87:2, 87:9, 87:22,
55:20, 56:22, 57:9,
                           56:25                    40:4, 51:3, 65:7,          11:16, 12:20, 14:11,       87:25, 88:4, 104:15,
89:6
                            transmitted [1] -       119:7                      14:17, 15:5, 26:18,        104:17, 106:1,
 traders [5] - 60:10,
                           55:4                      typical [1] - 103:24      34:22, 35:20, 37:24,       106:16, 125:7,
65:4, 77:24, 79:8,
                            travel [1] - 58:18                                 42:24, 43:9, 43:22,        125:24, 132:9
79:10                                                typically [9] - 19:11,
                            travel-related [1] -                               47:8, 52:17, 59:15,         view [8] - 16:16,
 trades [3] - 51:3,                                 54:16, 54:20, 55:2,
                           58:18                                               59:18, 61:22, 62:1,        46:17, 46:24, 75:4,
56:20, 114:14                                       57:10, 59:12, 72:9,
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104:2, 110:1, 118:25,       willing [2] - 74:7,       121:11
124:16                     124:19                      XYZ [1] - 55:3
 viewed [1] - 114:15        window [1] - 48:12
 virus [4] - 6:22, 7:7,     winds [2] - 81:18,                   Y
95:15, 101:15              81:19
 visible [1] - 66:4         wish [1] - 8:12
                                                       Yale [1] - 9:4
 volatile [1] - 43:15       WITNESS [43] - 3:7,
                                                       year [10] - 18:15,
 volatility [2] - 42:15,   8:18, 8:20, 9:10, 15:8,
                                                      18:23, 19:2, 23:20,
43:24                      16:14, 17:17, 24:4,
                                                      31:22, 48:14, 56:6,
 volume [1] - 54:19        24:17, 25:12, 35:12,
                                                      89:3, 126:22, 127:9
 vs [1] - 1:5              47:13, 47:17, 47:23,
                           48:16, 49:22, 56:10,        years [4] - 10:6,
                           59:2, 59:19, 60:9,         50:14, 126:23, 139:19
           W                                           yes-or-no [5] -
                           63:22, 65:25, 66:5,
                           67:4, 67:11, 77:19,        88:12, 88:13, 90:16,
 waffled [1] - 6:25        78:8, 78:20, 78:22,        93:4, 110:13
 walk [8] - 12:24,         79:2, 81:1, 81:5,           yield [1] - 43:13
13:15, 14:16, 16:4,        81:11, 83:21, 85:21,        yielded [2] - 13:9,
19:8, 21:23, 23:16,        91:7, 91:17, 99:20,        15:4
27:21                      99:22, 107:1, 113:1,        York [6] - 1:16,
 Wall [1] - 61:23          116:23, 117:1              10:24, 51:18, 54:16,
 wants [2] - 5:13,          witness [7] - 5:5, 8:2,   139:15, 139:16
72:14                      49:15, 53:1, 100:21,        yourself [3] - 16:12,
 warned [2] - 73:16,       116:9                      51:25, 117:7
78:15                       Witness [3] - 49:9,        yourselves [1] - 4:5
 warning [9] - 65:15,      116:8, 123:25
66:8, 67:8, 72:23,          witness's [1] - 118:6
75:11, 78:3, 104:1,         WITNESSES [1] - 3:4
107:12, 132:7               witnesses [1] - 5:3
 warnings [9] - 65:14,      wondering [1] -
68:7, 68:25, 69:4,         78:18
72:20, 75:13, 111:11,       word [5] - 88:18,
117:9, 140:20              89:12, 123:6, 123:14,
 warrant [1] - 32:21       136:4
 warranted [1] - 67:13      words [3] - 102:24,
 Washington [6] -          123:7, 123:10
1:6, 1:16, 1:22, 1:25,      works [1] - 131:12
2:4, 144:14                 world [3] - 28:19,
 waste [2] - 74:7,         77:24, 104:2
100:10                      worldwide [1] -
 Wayback [4] - 68:19,      58:16
69:8, 79:23, 112:7          worth [6] - 46:21,
 ways [5] - 38:16,         46:23, 47:12, 47:15,
39:2, 40:7, 42:24,         57:22, 132:19
47:18                       write [3] - 9:23, 9:25,
 website [7] - 41:1,       30:18
59:24, 90:7, 93:1,          writes [1] - 102:15
93:14, 93:25, 105:4         writing [1] - 108:6
 weight [1] - 121:9         written [2] - 51:23,
 Whoa [1] - 132:18         98:16
 whole [10] - 18:21,        wrongdoing [2] -
19:17, 20:12, 21:5,        96:14, 96:20
27:24, 67:7, 105:24,
120:20, 121:3, 129:24
 wide [7] - 18:17,
                                      X
18:22, 37:24, 42:19,
54:8, 107:9                 XENAKIS [5] - 1:20,
 Williams [7] - 5:7,       118:5, 121:12,
5:16, 7:3, 7:13, 124:2,    121:14, 123:21
124:13                      Xenakis [2] - 4:18,


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