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   1                    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

   2        CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA - WESTERN DIVISION

   3                    HONORABLE STEPHEN V. WILSON

   4               UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE PRESIDING

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        United States of America,          )
   7                         PLAINTIFF,    )
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   8    VS.                                )        NO. CR 20-579 SVW
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   9    Richard Ayvazyan, et al.,          )
                               DEFENDANT, )
  10    ___________________________________)

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  13                REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

  14                       LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA

  15                      MONDAY, NOVEMBER 15, 2021

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  19                    KATIE E. THIBODEAUX, CSR 9858
                        U.S. Official Court Reporter
  20                              Suite 4311
                             350 West 1st Street
  21                        Los Angeles, CA 90012

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   1    APPEARANCES OF COUNSEL:

   2

   3    ON BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFF, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:

   4    U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
        U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
   5    BY: CATHERINE SUN AHN, AUSA
        -and- SCOTT PAETTY, AUSA
   6    -and- BRIAN FAERSTEIN, AUSA
        -and- DAN BOYLE, AUSA
   7    312 North Spring Street
        Twelfth Floor
   8    Los Angeles, CA 90012

   9    -and-

  10    Christopher Fenton
        US Department of Justice
  11    1400 New York Avenue, NW
        Washington, DC 20530
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        FOR DEFENDANT R. AYVAZYAN:
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        Ashwin J. Ram
  15    Steptoe and Johnson LLP
        633 West 5th Street
  16    Suite 1900
        Los Angeles, CA 90071
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  18    Nicholas P. Silverman
        Steptoe and Johnson LLP
  19    1330 Connecticut Avenue NW
        Washington, DC 20036
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   1        LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA; MONDAY, NOVEMBER 15, 2021

   2                              11:46 A.M.

   3                               - - - - -

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   7            THE CLERK:    Item 3, CR 20-579-SVW, United States

   8    of America versus Richard Ayvazyan.

   9                Counsel, please state your appearances.

  10            MR. FENTON:    Good afternoon, your Honor.

  11    Christopher Fenton, Catherine Ahn, Scott Paetty, Brian

  12    Faerstein and Dan Boyle for the United States.

  13            MR. RAM:   Good morning, your Honor.       Ashwin Ram

  14    and Nick Silverman on behalf of Richard Ayvazyan who is

  15    not present.

  16            THE COURT:    And this, of course, is the time for

  17    sentencing.    The Court did previously issue an order

  18    regarding sentencing this defendant in abstentia, and the

  19    facts in that order, in the Court's view, amply suffice

  20    sentencing in abstentia.

  21                Now, there is an update that the Court

  22    received just recently, and that is pretrial services was

  23    informed on November 9th of this year that there was a

  24    request for emergency passports submitted by defendant's

  25    children, Daniel, Juliana and Robert Ayvazyan to Armenia.
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   1    And the passports were not issued, and, in the Court's

   2    view, that further supports the view that the defendants

   3    are not going to willingly appear.       So that was just to

   4    amplify the record.

   5                Now, we will turn to the matter of sentencing.

   6    The first item, of course, is an assessment of the

   7    guidelines, and I have spent substantial time reviewing.

   8    I noticed one thing.     It may be an oversight or there may

   9    be a reason for it, but there is a two-level adjustment

  10    for being convicted of money laundering.        And that is a

  11    part of the enhancements of other defendants but not

  12    Richard Ayvazyan.

  13                Is that an oversight, or is there some reason

  14    for that?

  15            MR. FENTON:    Your Honor, may I take the podium?

  16            THE COURT:    Yes.

  17            MR. FENTON:    This is Christopher Fenton.      Thank

  18    you, your Honor.

  19                The government's understanding is that

  20    probation when it did its grouping analysis determined

  21    that the grouping for the fraud count was higher than the

  22    grouping for money laundering so 2B was higher than 2S

  23    based on the conclusion that Richard Ayvazyan was a

  24    leader and an organizer with respect to the fraud, but

  25    they did not make the same determination with respect to
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   1    money laundering.

   2                The government's position is that there are

   3    certainly facts to support an aggravated role enhancement

   4    with respect to both conspiracies, but, in the sentencing

   5    submission that we submitted to the Court, the government

   6    deferred to probation's ultimate conclusion with respect

   7    to the plus four for the 4 and the subsequent

   8    determination that the grouping should be under 2B not

   9    2S.

  10            THE COURT:    All right.    You have explained what I

  11    observed.

  12                The parties have fully briefed their

  13    respective positions on the guidelines.        Unless there is

  14    any further comment, I am prepared to tell you what my

  15    conclusions are regarding the guidelines.

  16            MR. SILVERMAN:    We would like to be heard briefly

  17    in response to the government's submission of I believe

  18    it was November 10th.

  19            THE COURT:    All right.

  20            MR. SILVERMAN:    Specifically, your Honor, as to

  21    the loss enhancement of -- we had advocated for

  22    $1.14 million, and there are really two reasons that we

  23    have thrown up, but there are -- it is the clear and

  24    convincing evidence standard and the methodology that was

  25    used to calculate the loss enhancement for codefendants,
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   1    specifically Manuk Grigoryan.       And the government

   2    responded to that sort of stating that we were incorrect

   3    in what methodology was used to calculate Mr. Grigoryan's

   4    enhancement.

   5                So we wanted to make clear for the record that

   6    we do believe the government limited that loss

   7    enhancement to just some of the loans that were received

   8    as proceeds and not all the loans that were submitted or

   9    received by people that Mr. Grigoryan was directly

  10    overseeing.

  11                So, specifically, if you look at the Sabala

  12    Construction and Hart Construction companies that were

  13    run by Mr. Hayrapetyan and Mr. Grigoryan, those were not

  14    included in Mr. Grigoryan's loss enhancement, I assume,

  15    because he did not directly receive those proceeds.          But

  16    they are somehow included in Mr. Ayvazyan's loss

  17    enhancement even though Mr. Hayrapetyan testified that he

  18    did not know Mr. Ayvazyan.

  19                If you look at the dental, the Sauza Dental

  20    practice.   That is four loans totaling $730,000 that were

  21    submitted and received into accounts run by Arman

  22    Hayrapetyan and Manuk Grigoryan, not included as to

  23    Grigoryan, but the government proposes to include them as

  24    to Mr. Ayvazyan.

  25                And, then, if you look at Marco Rivas was one
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   1    loan that stood out to me on the chart that the

   2    government provided because the entire explanation for

   3    its inclusion was that the bank account of Mr. Rivas

   4    linked to Anton Kudiomov, an alias used by Mr. Grigoryan,

   5    and that loan was somehow included in the loss

   6    enhancement for Mr. Ayvazyan but not for Mr. Grigoryan.

   7                And so the defense stands by its request for a

   8    loss enhancement of $1.14 million.       We don't think that

   9    there is clear and convincing evidence or much evidence

  10    at all to establish Mr. Ayvazyan's responsibility for

  11    those other loans, and we think it would be a trial

  12    penalty to impose a different methodology on him than has

  13    been imposed on his codefendant.

  14            THE COURT:    I am not going to respond directly to

  15    all your points, but your premise is not well taken.          The

  16    Valle case, V-A-L-L-E, the recent Ninth Circuit, does not

  17    support your position that clear and convincing evidence

  18    is required.    In fact, if you read the Valle case itself

  19    and look at the footnotes, the Ninth Circuit limits its

  20    conclusion to that case and notes that in mail fraud

  21    cases in conspiracies, the law is otherwise, but that is

  22    with regard to your premise.

  23                Anything else before I do my calculation on

  24    the guidelines?

  25            MR. SILVERMAN:    Yes, your Honor.     There were
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   1    several other enhancements the government had advocated

   2    for in their submission that we wanted to respond to

   3    briefly.

   4            THE COURT:    Okay.   Go ahead.

   5            MR. SILVERMAN:    Your Honor, the government

   6    advocated for a 10 or more victims enhancement based on

   7    the bank victims in this case.

   8            THE COURT:    I understand that enhancement well,

   9    and you need not expand on it very much.

  10            MR. SILVERMAN:    Okay, your Honor.     I just wanted

  11    to address the case law cited by the government

  12    specifically.

  13            THE COURT:    You mean the Pham case?

  14            MR. SILVERMAN:    Yes, your Honor.

  15            THE COURT:    I have read the Pham case.

  16            MR. SILVERMAN:    Then you are aware of the only

  17    distinction I was going to make there.

  18            THE COURT:    Yes.

  19            MR. SILVERMAN:    As to the access device

  20    enhancement that the government has sought to apply

  21    pursuant to 2B1.1(b)(11), the government cites the

  22    Ovsepian case.

  23            THE COURT:    I am not going to give that

  24    enhancement.

  25            MR. SILVERMAN:    As to the role in the offense
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   1    adjustment, your Honor, the government argued primarily

   2    that Mr. Ayvazyan received the lion's share of the

   3    proceeds.    As we have explained, we think 1.14 million is

   4    the correct amount, but the one response to the

   5    government's submission that I wanted to make sure was on

   6    the record is that the government bases this lion's share

   7    argument on the receipt of $3.25 million in the form of a

   8    house, but only $600,000 of that was traceable to the

   9    offense.    If you look at the amount that actually came

  10    from loans, Mr. Ayvazyan did not receive the lion's share

  11    of the proceeds or more proceeds than his codefendants.

  12            THE COURT:    I don't recall any evidence about any

  13    of the other coconspirators receiving any of the

  14    proceeds.

  15            MR. RAM:   Your Honor, in terms of where the

  16    proceeds ended up, if you look at the very first loan on

  17    the government's chart, the proceeds from that loan, much

  18    of them ended up in an account belonging to a health care

  19    company belonging to the Grigoryan family, the same

  20    account that received a lot of the Runyan Tax money.

  21                 The government didn't submit much evidence

  22    about the proceeds beyond what we have conceded or said

  23    would be the most that is shown as to going to

  24    Mr. Ayvazyan.    However, it is the government's burden to

  25    establish that he received the lion's share of the
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   1    proceeds, and it is inconsistent with both the evidence

   2    and the facts to make that assertion in this case.

   3            THE COURT:    I see.   All right.

   4            MR. SILVERMAN:     I think that was the last as to

   5    guidelines.    We would like to be heard on the 3553(a)

   6    factors before sentence is over.

   7            THE COURT:    I am not even getting to that.       I am

   8    taking this in stages.

   9                 The first stage is to have the parties

  10    understand what the Court's assessment is of the

  11    guidelines, and, then, we will get to the 3553(a) factors

  12    and any other factors that relate to the most appropriate

  13    sentence.    So this is just Phase I.

  14                 So on the point that counsel has just made, do

  15    you wish to make a brief response?

  16            MR. FENTON:    Yes, your Honor.     With respect to the

  17    argument about the lion's share.        The lion's share, who

  18    gets the lion's share of the proceeds is one factor of

  19    many that is used to determine the leader, organizer

  20    enhancement.

  21                 So, even if it were not the case that

  22    Mr. Richard Ayvazyan received the lion's share, that

  23    enhancement, that adjustment would still be applicable

  24    here for all of the reasons in our submission.

  25                 But the facts clearly establish that
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   1    Mr. Richard Ayvazyan did get the lion's share, and I

   2    think the best exhibit that the government put in at

   3    trial is Government Exhibit 115.        That exhibit shows how

   4    the money is flowing from the loans to the houses that

   5    were purchased both for Mr. Ayvazyan and his wife, also

   6    the houses that were purchased for his wife's family as

   7    well which is certainly a benefit for Richard Ayvazyan.

   8                 And, then, also, the many other things that

   9    they purchased which include securities and furniture and

  10    diamonds and jewelry and watches, all of this is detailed

  11    greatly in Government Exhibit 115, and I think shows that

  12    Mr. Richard Ayvazyan was certainly receiving the lion's

  13    share of the proceeds of this fraud.

  14                 And even if he wasn't spending it because this

  15    is a critical point that I think the defense is ignoring

  16    here.    He was in control of it.     And that is what the

  17    evidence shows especially Government Exhibit 10 which

  18    shows that Ayvazyan is directing the flow of funds with

  19    respect to the proceeds.      So he has control over that

  20    money.   What they were really saying is that he only

  21    spent a certain portion of it, but the amount he spent is

  22    not a factor for any purpose particularly not with

  23    respect to whether or not he should be -- the leader,

  24    organizer role should apply here.

  25             THE COURT:   Okay.   All right.
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   1                 Then, this is the Court's -- you can be seated

   2    if you wish.

   3                 This is the Court's assessment of the

   4    guidelines:    Richard Ayvazyan is responsible for any

   5    foreseeable, reasonably foreseeable losses stemming from

   6    the counts of conviction, and defendant's -- the Court is

   7    rejecting defendant's argument that he is just

   8    responsible for what came to him or what loans he was

   9    involved in.

  10                 And so the first guideline assessment is the

  11    amount of the loss.     And the guidelines say that the base

  12    offense level is 7, and then there are enhancements for

  13    the amount of the loss.      The two lines that are relevant

  14    here are the 1.5 million line which I think has a plus 16

  15    enhancement and the 9.5 million line which has a 20 level

  16    enhancement.

  17                 The Court concludes that the guideline it is

  18    going to use for loss is the plus 16.        That is the loss

  19    was more than 1.5 million.       I base that upon the summary

  20    witness, MaryLee Robinson, Exhibit 115, Exhibit 1 to

  21    Catherine Ahn's declaration and my familiarity with the

  22    evidence in this case which I think is especially evident

  23    from the Kastegar order I issued.

  24                 This is not -- you may be seated.

  25                 This is not to say that the government's
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   1    arguments regarding a loss of greater than 9.5 are not

   2    without some merit.     And, as I said before, the

   3    government in my view doesn't have to prove that by clear

   4    and convincing evidence.      It could by preponderance, and

   5    I recognize, again, that the government's position in

   6    that regard is not without merit in that they might even

   7    be able to show by clear and convincing evidence that it

   8    was more than 9.5.     But for purposes of my calculation

   9    using 1.5 because the evidence at trial itself showed

  10    substantially more than that, I think something like 2 or

  11    close and -- and Exhibit 115 there are over $4 million in

  12    loans.   So that is my calculation there.

  13                 So that would mean that the base offense level

  14    of 7 is then enhanced by 16 levels to 23.         I am going to

  15    apply the two point enhancement for sophisticated means,

  16    the two point enhancement for obstruction.         In light of

  17    what was said moments ago, I am not going to include the

  18    plus two for conviction of money laundering.

  19                 I am not going to include the plus 2 for

  20    vulnerable victim.     I have read the cases the government

  21    cited.   They are not analytical cases.       One is an

  22    unpublished opinion, and here, the deceased person is the

  23    father of, late father of defendant Mary Terabelian.           And

  24    the thinking in some of these cases seems to be that the

  25    decedent him or herself can't be the vulnerable person,
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   1    but the family of the decedent could be.         Here, we have a

   2    peculiar situation that it was the daughter of the

   3    decedent who used his identity three days after he died.

   4                 I understand that there may be other family

   5    members, but I am not convinced by the case law as it is

   6    that there is a firm footing for vulnerable victim so I

   7    am not going to apply that.

   8                 With regard to 10 or more victims, I am not

   9    going to apply that either.       I understand the factual

  10    basis for the Pham case, but, in this case, there is

  11    something different, and that is the nature of the

  12    program itself.

  13                 From the evidence at the trial, the banks

  14    entered into the program as not total conduits but with

  15    the representation from the SBA and other agencies that

  16    they would be reimbursed, and I think that makes this

  17    case different.     The only bank that there was some

  18    evidence with respect to of a collateral consequence was

  19    the Celtic Bank.     And that doesn't constitute 10 or more.

  20    So, on that basis, I am rejecting the 10, the enhancement

  21    for 10 or more victims.

  22                 That gets to the issue of the organizer or

  23    leader, and, in that regard, I am imposing the four level

  24    enhancement because following the evidence in the case as

  25    I did closely as should be evident by the trial record
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   1    itself, Richard Ayvazyan clearly was the leader.          And

   2    that is confirmed to me by the evidence at the trial, the

   3    text messages between him and Tamara Dadyan, Grigoryan's

   4    plea agreement where he said that he took his

   5    instructions from Richard Ayvazyan, the overlapping

   6    documents and information across loans.         He was a leader

   7    in sharing documents and information across the

   8    conspiracy, and the benefits that were detailed at the

   9    trial largely flow to him and his wife.

  10                 So there were more than five people involved

  11    in the enterprise, and, in that regard, I am relying in

  12    large part upon the factors in application note 4 to

  13    2B1.1.   And, in that regard, in United States versus

  14    Barnes, 993 F.2d, 680, Ninth Circuit, 1993, the Ninth

  15    Circuit held that a four level enhancement can be applied

  16    when the criminal enterprise as a whole includes five or

  17    more participants even if the defendant did not

  18    personally exercise authority over at least five others.

  19                 Here, the evidence at trial showed clearly

  20    that he exercised authority and leadership over Mary

  21    Terabelian, Grigoryan and Dadyan, Tamara Dadyan.          It may

  22    not be five, but, under my reading of the case, it still

  23    qualifies for a four level enhancement.

  24                 So that would mean that the calculation is 23

  25    for the loss, 2 for sophisticated means, 2 for
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   1    obstruction, 4 for organizer and leader.         That would come

   2    to a level 31 with an offense -- with a criminal history

   3    category of 1.     And I looked it up, and I thought the

   4    guideline range there was 108 to -10 to 138.

   5                 What is the guideline range there?

   6            MR. SILVERMAN:     108 to 135, your Honor.

   7            THE COURT:    135.   Okay.   So that is the starting

   8    point in my guideline analysis for Richard Ayvazyan, and,

   9    as I said, that is the starting point for discussion.

  10                 And, now, I will hear from the parties

  11    regarding the proper application of the sentencing

  12    factors and any other arguments that they wish to make.

  13            MR. FENTON:    Your Honor, can I make a brief point

  14    on the sentencing guideline calculation?

  15            THE COURT:    Yes.

  16            MR. FENTON:    The first point is that in the

  17    sentencing hearing for Vahe Dadyan, the Court found that

  18    the loss amount that should apply is the entire amount of

  19    the conspiracy.

  20            THE COURT:    I probably made a mistake.

  21            MR. FENTON:    Okay.   The second point I wanted to

  22    make was that based on the Court's findings with respect

  23    to the guidelines calculation, the government believes

  24    that the plus two for money laundering should also apply

  25    because that money laundering would then be the highest
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   1    grouping --

   2            THE COURT:    I am not going to do that.       I mean,

   3    that is my calculation.      There are a lot of moving parts

   4    here, and that is my best judgment.        I have taken a very

   5    conservative view of the calculation.         It may to some

   6    extent draw -- strike that.       Go ahead.

   7            MR. SILVERMAN:     Yes, your Honor.     May I take the

   8    podium?

   9            THE COURT:    Yes.   Yes.

  10            MR. SILVERMAN:     Your Honor, I am not going to

  11    repeat all the comparisons that we had in our brief.           I

  12    understand in your prior sentencings that you read all

  13    submissions and do not want attorneys to repeat

  14    themselves.

  15            THE COURT:    I do reed everything.      You can be

  16    assured of that.     But this is, you know, your

  17    opportunity, and, if there is some point you want to

  18    emphasize or any other arguments, I don't want to

  19    foreclose those.     But, again, if you just say what you

  20    said in your papers, you can be assured that I read it.

  21            MR. SILVERMAN:     Yes, your Honor.

  22                 So I will attempt to focus on what the

  23    government has said and what I think is the one or two

  24    most important things for the Court to consider in making

  25    its decision today.     Your Honor, we advocate still for a
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   1    72-month sentence, a variance from the guidelines range,

   2    largely because of the precedent of sentences around the

   3    country for similarly situated defendants.

   4                 And one thing I wanted to emphasize here is

   5    that we are not taking all PPP loan fraud defendants.           It

   6    was solely those who were convicted of large PPP loan

   7    fraud schemes involving $1 million or more.         A sentence

   8    of 72 months would put Mr. Ayvazyan towards the very

   9    upper end of that greater than 20 of the 22 defendants

  10    including several that we summarized in our papers that I

  11    believe are more culpable than Mr. Ayvazyan.

  12                 And the one fact I wanted to add to the

  13    summaries in the papers was that of Dinesh Sah the man

  14    who was sentenced to 135 months, one fact we had omitted

  15    is he was sending the money out of the country so that

  16    the government would not be able to recover it.

  17                 The government responded that we missed the

  18    point by focusing on the sentences that have been

  19    received by similarly situated defendants citing United

  20    States v. Treadwell, and I just wanted to look at

  21    Treadwell and specifically the argument it rejected in

  22    that case.    In that case the defendant pointed to the

  23    sentence of John Rigas, a Ponzi schemer defrauded people

  24    out of $200 million, and was sentenced to 15 years in

  25    prison and argued that his sentence was unreasonable as a
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   1    result of Mr. Rigas'.      And the Ninth Circuit rejected

   2    that and said you cannot point to a specific criminal

   3    defendant convicted of a different fraud, and it recited

   4    in its lauding of the guidelines for their ability to

   5    reduce disparities many of the same sources that we

   6    cited.   They cited Gall and Rita, talking about how the

   7    guidelines were put in position or put in place, rather,

   8    to ensure that similarly situated defendants received

   9    similar justice.

  10                 And I think, with respect, the government

  11    misses the point here in that this is not a case like

  12    Treadwell where we are citing different defendants

  13    convicted of different frauds.       We are in that rare

  14    instance where we can look at substantially all

  15    defendants who have been convicted of similar fraud.

  16                 Now, your Honor, in terms of the other 3553(a)

  17    factors, I do think that it is important to note, as my

  18    co-counsel noted to me this morning, Mr. Ayvazyan's

  19    father passed away at the age of 55.        Mr. Ayvazyan is 43.

  20    A substantial sentence over 72 months does bear a real

  21    risk of being a life sentence in this case.         We cited in

  22    our papers to a study about the effect of serving time in

  23    prison on life expectancy.       I don't think it is

  24    controversial to say that life expectancy decreases when

  25    you are in prison.
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   1                 But, ultimately, this case comes down to what

   2    sentence meets with the parsimony principle, what

   3    sentence is the least that will be sufficient.          And I

   4    think that is where this precedent from around the

   5    country comes in handy.      It is multiple judges just like

   6    you have sat there and dealt with facts like this, some

   7    worse, some better, and come to the conclusion that

   8    approximately 72 months in prison is sufficient, is no

   9    greater than necessary.

  10                 And we ask that you come to that conclusion as

  11    well.

  12            THE COURT:    All right.    Thank you.

  13                 Does the government have any response?

  14            MR. FENTON:    Thank you, your Honor.

  15                 At one of our recent sentencing hearings your

  16    Honor referred to this case as a horrendous fraud, and

  17    the defendant here is the most culpable participant of

  18    this horrendous fraud.      He was the leader.     He was the

  19    organizer, and I think that the evidence shows, the

  20    evidence is overwhelming.      It shows a real insight into

  21    how he saw this opportunity, how he saw the national

  22    catastrophe and how he saw that as an opportunity to

  23    steal relief funds necessary for the people who needed

  24    that money to survive.

  25                 This case is not like the other cases that
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   1    defense points to.     If you look at the Sah case, for

   2    example, there, the defendant in that case pleaded

   3    guilty.    He accepted responsibility for what he did.         He

   4    pleaded guilty to a wire fraud count and a money

   5    laundering count.     And he is in jail serving time.

   6                 Here, Richard Ayvazyan fled after making

   7    repeated assurances to the Court.        In the Saw case, there

   8    were 15 fraudulent applications.        Here, there were dozens

   9    of fraudulent applications, nearly 140 that Mr. Ayvazyan

  10    is responsible for.     In the Saw case, those applications

  11    were submitted under the names of various businesses that

  12    he owned or controlled.

  13                 Here, Mr. Ayvazyan stole the identities of

  14    foreign exchange students, elderly local business people,

  15    deceased people that extended beyond his father in law to

  16    include other people as well and a local attorney Olaf

  17    Lansgaard among others.      And while your Honor did not

  18    find that was sufficient to support the vulnerable victim

  19    enhancement, it is nevertheless a relevant consideration

  20    under the 3553 factors.

  21                 Mr. Ayvazyan is the type of criminal who takes

  22    names of decreased people and uses that within days of

  23    them dying to stuff jewels into his pockets, to buy

  24    mansions.    That is a significant fact.      That sets this

  25    case apart from other cases.
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   1                 The Saw case, in the Saw case, there were

   2    eight different lenders.      Here, there were more, and, in

   3    that case, the amounts were comparable.         Mr. Saw was

   4    sentenced to over 11 years, 135 months.         Here, the

   5    guidelines range would put the top end of the range the

   6    135 months plus, in addition to that, there is an

   7    aggravated identity theft count, 24 months, that are

   8    mandatory and need to run consecutive to whatever

   9    sentence the Court imposes based on the guidelines.

  10                 And I would also call the Court's attention to

  11    its recent sentence in the case involving Troy Stroud

  12    where the Court sentenced Mr. Stroud to 162 months, and,

  13    again, he pleaded guilty, he accepted responsibility for

  14    what he did.    That case involved only $1 million in small

  15    business loans.     And he had conducted a series of

  16    transactions of names, companies that, again, he

  17    controlled, companies that he didn't steal identities

  18    like Mr. Ayvazyan.     He actually controlled those

  19    companies himself.     So these are significant sentences,

  20    135 months, 162 months in cases that are egregious but

  21    not nearly as horrendous as Richard Ayvazyan did in this

  22    matter.

  23                 So, for those reasons, the government would

  24    argue for a top end of the guidelines range plus the 24

  25    months mandatory to run consecutive.
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   1            THE COURT:    And your recommendation is --what was

   2    it, again, the final?

   3            MR. FENTON:    The recommendation based on the

   4    Court's current guidelines calculation, our

   5    recommendation would be 159 months:        The 135 which is top

   6    end of the guidelines range plus 24 mandatory minimum.

   7            THE COURT:    The guidelines were, as you argued,

   8    you argued for the top level too.        I mean, that seems to

   9    be a pattern the government takes, and it isn't as

  10    helpful to the Court as a more nuanced view.         But I

  11    understand your position.

  12                 All right.    Thank you.

  13            MR. FENTON:    Thank you, your Honor.

  14            THE COURT:    All right.

  15            MR. SILVERMAN:     Your Honor, if I may be heard just

  16    briefly.    I omitted one note that I should have raised.

  17            THE COURT:    Please go ahead.

  18            MR. SILVERMAN:     Your Honor, the defense is also

  19    requesting that any sentence be imposed to be served

  20    concurrently with the state sentence.        The government was

  21    able to offer evidence at trial under the argument that

  22    the -- that the identities used in the state scheme

  23    formed the assembly line of fraud that was used here, and

  24    that they were part of a common scheme.         That makes

  25    concurrent sentences mandatory under 5G1.3, I believe.
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   1    Yes.

   2                 And just, Mr. Fenton, while he was up here,

   3    said that Sah did not steal identities to perform his PPP

   4    loan fraud.    He did.    He used five different people's

   5    identities in businesses without their consent.          It is

   6    noted in the sentencing papers in that case.         I think

   7    this case is far more similar to the 60 months imposed on

   8    Hoss(Phon.) and Brown for an array of both identity theft

   9    and PPP loan fraud and the 70 or 72 months or 73 months,

  10    pardon me, that were imposed on Michael Moller who we

  11    summarized in our papers.

  12                 Thank you.

  13            THE COURT:    All right.    Thank you.

  14                   Any legal cause why this sentence should not

  15    now be imposed?

  16            MR. RAM:    Just standing on our earlier objections

  17    to the abstentia sentencing but nothing beyond that.

  18            THE COURT:    I see.   In sentencing, there are the

  19    counts of conviction that dealt with aggravated theft or

  20    Count 21 and 22?

  21            MR. FENTON:    Yes, your Honor.

  22            THE COURT:    And Count 26, what was that?

  23            MR. FENTON:    Count 26 is conspiracy to commit

  24    money laundering.

  25            THE COURT:    And so, in the presentence
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   1    recommendation, they recommend -- they sort of recommend

   2    a sentence on Counts 1 through 22 and 26, but, then, they

   3    say the recommendation is 262 months on each of Counts 1

   4    through 20 and 240 months on Count 26, the money

   5    laundering, to be served concurrently.        That is in their

   6    letter of November 5th of this year.        And, then, they say

   7    24 months on each of Counts 21 and 22 to be served

   8    concurrently with each other and consecutive to the

   9    sentence imposed on Counts 1 through 20 and 26.

  10                 That is the way it is organized; correct?

  11            MR. FENTON:    Yes, your Honor.

  12            THE COURT:    Yes.

  13            MR. FENTON:    Okay.

  14            MR. FENTON:    Yes.    Counts 1 through 20, 21, 22 and

  15    26.

  16            THE COURT:    Someone is walking toward the podium.

  17            MS. TORRES:    Your Honor, Christina Torres.       I

  18    wrote the presentence report.

  19            THE COURT:    Did I misstate something?

  20            MS. TORRES:    No.    You are absolutely right.

  21            THE COURT:    Thank you, ma'am.

  22                 All right.    Then, the Court is now prepared to

  23    impose sentence.

  24                 Pursuant to the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984,

  25    it is the judgment of the Court that defendant Richard
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   1    Ayvazyan is hereby committed on Counts 1 through 22 and

   2    Count 26 of the first superseding indictment to the

   3    custody of the Bureau of Prisons for a term of 17 years.

   4                 This term consists of 15 years on each of

   5    Counts 1 through 20 and 15 years on Count 26 to be served

   6    concurrently and 24 months on each of Counts 21 and 22 of

   7    the first superseding indictment to be served

   8    concurrently with each other but consecutive to the terms

   9    imposed on Counts 1 through 20 and 26.

  10                 Upon release from imprisonment, defendant

  11    shall be placed on supervised release for a term of five

  12    years.    This term consists of five years on each of

  13    Counts 1 through 20, three years on Count 26 and one year

  14    on each of Counts 21 and 22 of the first superseding

  15    indictment, all such terms to run concurrently under the

  16    following terms and conditions:

  17                 One, defendant comply with the rules and

  18    regulations of U.S. Probation and Pretrial Services and

  19    Second Amended General Order 20-04.

  20                 During the period of supervision, he pay the

  21    special assessment and restitution in accordance with

  22    this judgment.

  23                 He cooperate in the collection of a DNA

  24    sample.

  25                 He shall not obtain or possess any form of
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   1    identification other than that in his true legal name,

   2    and that, of course, means any -- refers to driver's

   3    license, Social Security numbers, birth certificates,

   4    passports or any other form of identification.

   5                 He shall not engage as an owner of a business

   6    involving loan programs, investment programs without the

   7    approval of the probation officer.

   8                 He shall apply all monies received from income

   9    tax refunds, lottery winnings, inheritance, judgments and

  10    any other financial gain at the court-ordered financial

  11    obligation.

  12                 He shall submit his person, property, house,

  13    residence, vehicle, papers, computers, cell phones, other

  14    electronic communications or data storage devices or

  15    media, e-mail accounts, social media accounts, cloud

  16    storage accounts or other areas under his control to a

  17    search conducted by a U.S. Probation officer or law

  18    enforcement officer.      Failure to submit to a search may

  19    be grounds for revocation.

  20                 The defendant shall warn any other occupants

  21    that the premises may be subject to searches pursuant to

  22    this condition.

  23                 Any search pursuant to this condition will be

  24    conducted at a reasonable time in a reasonable manner

  25    upon reasonable suspicion that defendant has violated a
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   1    condition of his supervision and that the areas to be

   2    searched contain evidence of this violation.

   3                 He shall pay a special assessment of $2300.

   4    He is ordered to make restitution in the total amount of

   5    $16,646,071.26, to the Seattle Bank in the amount of

   6    521,223; Celtic Bank, 3,395,835; Cross River Bank,

   7    1,238,691; Ready Bank, 315,000; Square Capital,

   8    295,676.26; JPMC, 112,500, CBC Small Business Finance,

   9    499,945; Wells Fargo, 497,596; Comerica Bank, 137,500;

  10    Newtek Small Business Finance, 2,691,500; Bank of America

  11    318,231, WebBank, 850,474; US Small Business

  12    Administration, 5,589,900.

  13                 He is held jointly and severally liable with

  14    coparticipants Marietta Terabelian, Tamara Dadyan, Arthur

  15    Ayvazyan, Edward Paronyan, Manuk Grigoryan, Arman

  16    Hayrapetyan and Vahe Dadyan for the amount of

  17    restitution.

  18                 The victims' recovery is limited to the amount

  19    of their loss and defendant's liability for restitution

  20    ceases if and when the victims receive full restitution.

  21                 He shall pay a fine to the United States in

  22    the amount of $50,000, consisting of Counts 1 through 22

  23    and Count 22.    The fine shall bear interest as provided

  24    by law.

  25                 The justification for the sentence is, first,
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   1    the Court's assessment of the guidelines which the Court

   2    has outlined in this hearing.       Some of the -- some of the

   3    guideline decisions could easily have been found

   4    differently for the government, but the Court chose to

   5    take the most conservative view.

   6                 First, the Court considers the nature and

   7    circumstances of the case.       I guess government counsel

   8    reminded me that I used the term "horrendous" in another

   9    sentencing, and the adjectives sometimes don't aptly

  10    describe the evidence at trial.

  11                 Not to sound hyperbolic, but, in the Court's

  12    experience which now is in excess of 30 years, I can't

  13    recall a fraud case that was conducted in a more

  14    calloused, intentional way without any regard for the

  15    law.

  16                 It was remarkable, at least in the Court's

  17    experience, to observe what the government introduced in

  18    its evidence, not only the circumstantial evidence but

  19    from the mouth of the defendant himself.

  20                 I mean, the sentence is necessary to reflect

  21    the seriousness of the offense, to promote respect for

  22    the law and to provide just punishment for the offense.

  23    The Court recognizes that in the universe of white collar

  24    cases, this is a sentence that is very meaningful and not

  25    unprecedented but certainly at the higher range of
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   1    sentences that this Court has imposed and other courts

   2    have imposed.    But, given the nature of what was

   3    introduced at trial, the Court is convinced that this is

   4    the least sentence that the Court can impose to satisfy

   5    the element of promoting respect for the law and to

   6    provide punishment and, on the second factor, adequate

   7    deterrence to criminal conduct.

   8                 Given what the defendant said in the course of

   9    this trial, the Court has a clear view that, if given the

  10    opportunity, he would concoct another fraud because the

  11    way he spoke of this fraud indicates that that is his way

  12    of life.    He says, for example, in the text messages, I

  13    didn't sleep all night, I was working 24 hours straight,

  14    this program is over at the end of the month, get as much

  15    as we can.    And he and Tamara Dadyan described their

  16    fraud as an achievement.

  17                 And the text messages show they were -- they

  18    knew they were submitting a fraud and didn't care.          For

  19    example, in the text messages, Richard Ayvazyan says with

  20    regard to the government checking on this program and

  21    pardon my language, they don't for shit, Tam, it is all

  22    automated.    If you can't handle the heat, get out of the

  23    fucking kitchen.

  24                 My view is -- and, then, on top of that, he

  25    was convicted of a very serious mortgage fraud case 10
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   1    years ago with his wife for which he was given a

   2    probationary sentence, and, at that sentencing, he

   3    claimed to be redeemed and to learn his lesson.          But that

   4    obviously was not the case.       Rather than learn his

   5    lesson, he exponentially expanded his fraudulent conduct.

   6                 I understand that the felony grand theft

   7    conviction in 1999 isn't to be considered for criminal

   8    history, and, of course, it wasn't.        And I am not giving

   9    that conviction any substantial weight, but it does fill

  10    out a pattern that the Court just observed.

  11                 On the deterrence factor, I am of the view

  12    that this defendant, if given the opportunity, would

  13    commit another fraud, and so this sentence is necessary

  14    to deter him from that if possible.        And in a related

  15    way, it is necessary to protect the public from further

  16    crimes of the defendant.

  17                 I have considered other sentences available.

  18    I have considered the need to avoid unwarranted

  19    sentencing disparities among defendants with similar

  20    records who have been found guilty of similar conduct,

  21    and I have not ignored, as perhaps the government

  22    suggested, the defendant's representations about other

  23    PPP fraud cases and sentences imposed by those judges.

  24                 There may be similarities in those cases and

  25    this case, but no two cases are alike and no two judges
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   1    are alike, and, certainly, they warrant consideration.

   2    And I have considered them, but they are just one factor.

   3    And in my -- and I don't know all of the detail of those

   4    cases, what the evidence was at trial, what backgrounds

   5    they had and so forth.

   6                 But even if there were more similarities, my

   7    view is, as I have indicated, and I didn't respond

   8    directly to something defense counsel said about should

   9    be served with the pending state mortgage fraud case, but

  10    I am rejecting that for the reasons I have amply stated

  11    during the trial.     That was an argument that was made

  12    during the trial.

  13                 I have only glossed over the e-mail exchanges,

  14    but the other e-mail exchanges quoted at page 18 and 19

  15    of the government's sentencing position re Richard

  16    Ayvazyan are also very pointed.

  17                 I also recognize that the sentence imposed is

  18    a small variance upward from the top guideline level of

  19    138 months.    I think 138 months would amount to -- 135

  20    months, I think it is, would amount to 13-and-a-half or

  21    so years, and I imposed a sentence of 15 years, of

  22    course, with the two year consecutive.

  23                 In -- in imposing a variance, I have

  24    considered many of the same comments that I have made

  25    already, in addition, the fact that this PPP program was
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   1    implemented by the government on an emergency level to

   2    help businesses which were upside down because of the

   3    pandemic, and the government recognized that, to some

   4    extent, it was on the honor system because there was no

   5    way the government could conduct audits in a way that

   6    would allow the purpose of the program and that was to

   7    get relief immediately.

   8                 And the defendant took advantage in the most

   9    flagrant way of that program and not only caused harm to

  10    the SBA, but this type of conduct could defer governments

  11    in the future from doing things that are necessary

  12    because of the fear of being ripped off as they were

  13    here.

  14                 This defendant had no regard for the law.         He

  15    is a endemic, cold hard fraudster -- that is the only way

  16    to say it -- who takes pride in what he does and views

  17    fraud as an achievement.

  18                 And so, in my view, based upon what I heard at

  19    the trial and my consideration of the guidelines and the

  20    sentencing factors, I think this small variance is

  21    justified.    So those are my justifications for the

  22    sentence.

  23                 Okay.   That completes the hearing.

  24            MR. SILVERMAN:     Judge, I just wanted to make sure

  25    the record is complete.      We had requested that the
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   1    forfeiture be revised to avoid double counting.          Is that

   2    denied?

   3            THE COURT:    Do I have to make that ruling now, or

   4    can I defer that ruling?

   5            MR. SILVERMAN:     I believe you can defer that

   6    ruling.

   7            THE COURT:    Because I do have questions about

   8    that.   I am frankly not totally clear about what is the

   9    dispute, and rather than --

  10            (Court and clerk confer.)

  11            THE CLERK:    Well, briefly, tell me what it is -- I

  12    understand there to be two elements to this:         One is the

  13    defendant is seeking a credit for monies that have

  14    already been forfeited or assets that have been

  15    forfeited.

  16            MR. SILVERMAN:     Yes, your Honor.

  17            THE COURT:    And the other aspect is that the

  18    government is trying to forfeit untainted money, and that

  19    is the part that I don't understand.        Can you just,

  20    Mr. Fenton, tell me what is going on with this.          Or

  21    whoever the government counsel is.

  22            MR. FENTON:    Yes, your Honor.

  23            THE COURT:    Why don't you take the lecturn.

  24            MR. FENTON:    Yes, your Honor.     AUSA Boyeld will

  25    address the forfeitures.
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   1            THE COURT:    Make it brief, and I am not going to

   2    dwell on this at the moment.

   3            MR. BOYLE:    Certainly, your Honor.      And if the

   4    court would like additional briefing or submissions, we

   5    are happy to provide that.

   6            THE COURT:    Tell me what is going on here.       With

   7    regard to the first issue, the credit for items that are

   8    forfeited, why isn't he entitled to that?

   9            MR. BOYLE:    Your Honor, if the Court refers to our

  10    submissions, the government included extensive deductions

  11    where tracing resulted in assets that were forfeited.

  12    There is a difference here between what the defendant is

  13    requesting and what the government deducted.         What the

  14    government deducted was when the government calculated

  15    the money judgment, if money from those loans went to a

  16    forfeited asset, the government deducted it.         And, in

  17    fact, your Honor, the government was overly inclusive as

  18    we note in our brief we deducted over $200,000 when we

  19    only recovered --

  20            THE COURT:    You know what, I think that this is

  21    going to require more of an effort on my part.          I don't

  22    want to do this on the fly.       So we will have to set

  23    another date for further discussion on what the

  24    forfeiture amount should be.

  25            MR. BOYLE:    Your Honor, respectfully, could we set
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   1    some briefing submission because I respectfully suggest,

   2    your Honor, this is kind of a new area of law post the

   3    Ninth Circuit's decision in Thompson so the Court may

   4    want additional briefing on this question.

   5            THE COURT:    All right.    Then, you can file an

   6    additional brief, and the defense can reply.

   7            RIGHT2:    Absolutely.

   8            MR. BOYLE:    Absolutely, your Honor.

   9            THE COURT:    We will take the lunch recess.

  10            MS. AHN:    Your Honor, briefly, there is some case

  11    law in the Ninth Circuit and in the Supreme Court saying

  12    that the loss found by the Court sets the outer limits of

  13    restitution, and the restitution ordered by the Court

  14    exceeds the loss amount found by the Court.

  15            THE COURT:    So, then, I am glad you brought that

  16    to my attention.     That has to be amended.

  17            MS. AHN:    Yes, your Honor.     And so we can either

  18    do the calculation based upon Government Exhibit 115 and

  19    Exhibit 1 attached to my declaration and come up with the

  20    restitution amount in about 5 or 10 minutes or we can

  21    submit additional briefing to the Court.

  22            THE COURT:    Let's come back at 1:30 or 1:35 and

  23    finish this sentencing.

  24            MS. AHN:    Yes, your Honor.

  25           (Recess from 1:01 to 1:39 p.m.)
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   1            THE CLERK:    Recalling Item 3, CR 20-579-SVW,

   2    United States of America versus Richard Ayvazyan.

   3            MR. RAM:    Ashwin ram and Nick Silverman on behalf

   4    of Mr. Ayvazyan who is not present.

   5            THE COURT:    I am reminded that I neglected to make

   6    certain findings that I should have made.

   7                 One is regarding bail.      Is the government

   8    moving to forfeit bail?

   9            MS. AHN:    Yes, your Honor.

  10            THE COURT:    That motion is granted.

  11                 Then, there is the question of generally I set

  12    a date to begin the sentence.       Here, under these

  13    circumstances, it sounds ludicrous, but I guess the

  14    precise -- I will set a date of 30 days from today to the

  15    designated institution.

  16                 What else was I supposed to do?

  17            THE CLERK:    Whatever the restitution and the fine.

  18            THE COURT:    Yes.   You had a different number for

  19    the restitution.

  20            MR. RAM:    Before we go there, just on the bond

  21    which has been forfeited, there was the issue of the

  22    children's passports.

  23            THE COURT:    I don't want to get into that now.        I

  24    just don't have the time.      If you have a position

  25    regarding that, let's hear it in a more complete way.
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   1            MR. RAM:    Yes, your Honor.

   2            MR. FENTON:    With regard to the restitution

   3    amount, we went back and we took a look.         The

   4    government's suggestion is -- the initial suggestion is

   5    that the Court revise the loss amount for the guidelines

   6    purposes to the restitution amount that the Court had

   7    stated.

   8                 If the Court were to do that, then the

   9    sentence that the Court imposed, the Court would need not

  10    vary, the sentence would fall within the middle of the

  11    guidelines range.

  12            THE COURT:    I am not doing that.

  13            MR. FENTON:    Alternatively, the government would

  14    request that the Court give the government the

  15    opportunity to brief the restitution issue at the same

  16    time as the forfeiture issue because upon revisiting

  17    Government Exhibit 115, the amount of loans at issue on

  18    that, in those charts is 4.6 million which is in excess

  19    of the loss amount for the loss level that the Court had

  20    found with respect to the guidelines calculation.

  21            THE COURT:    All I have to do is find more than

  22    1.5 million.

  23            MR. FENTON:    That's right, your Honor, with

  24    respect to the guidelines calculation, with respect to

  25    the loss enhancement, but, with respect to the
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   1    restitution amount, we need to propose to the Court a

   2    specific restitution amount.

   3             THE COURT:    Well, then, the Court obviously can't

   4    issue a judgment until these matters are resolved.          Do

   5    the parties agree that these matters can be briefed and

   6    perhaps heard later to complete the sentencing?

   7             MR. RAM:   Yes, your Honor.     Under Dolan, that is

   8    your right.    Now that we know restitution will be

   9    imposed, it is just the amount that is in question.           So I

  10    believe the Court has 60 -- 90 days to make that

  11    determination.

  12             THE COURT:    Well, then, let's set another day for

  13    hearing if we need it.      Should I say three weeks from

  14    today?

  15             MS. AHN:   That is fine with the government.

  16             THE COURT:    And, then, by then, you will have

  17    briefed it.    And set up a briefing schedule with the

  18    defense so they have a fair chance to oppose and you have

  19    a chance to reply.

  20             MR. FENTON:    Thank you, your Honor.

  21             THE COURT:    Okay.   Thank you.

  22           (Proceedings concluded.)

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   9    Judicial Conference of the United States.

  10    Date:   November 22, 2021

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    MR. BOYLE: [4] 35/2 35/8     1999 [1] 31/7                  9.5 [2] 13/1 13/8
    35/24 36/7                   1:01 [1] 36/25                 9.5 million [1] 12/15
    MR. FENTON: [21]             1:30 [1] 36/22                 90 [1] 39/10
    MR. RAM: [7] 3/12 9/14       1:35 [1] 36/22                 90012 [2] 1/21 2/8
    24/15 37/2 37/19 37/25 39/6 1:39 [1] 36/25                  90071 [1] 2/16
    MR. SILVERMAN: [19] 5/15     1st [1] 1/20                   9858 [2] 1/19 40/12
    5/19 7/24 8/4 8/9 8/13 8/15                                 993 [1] 15/14
    8/18 8/24 10/3 16/5 17/6     2                              9th [1] 3/23
    17/9 17/20 23/14 23/17 33/23
    34/4 34/15                   2,691,500 [1] 28/10            A
    MS. AHN: [5] 36/9 36/16      20 [8] 12/15 18/9 25/4 25/9
                                  25/14 26/5 26/9 26/13         A.M [1] 3/2
    36/23 37/8 39/14                                            ability [1] 19/4
    MS. TORRES: [2] 25/16 25/19 20-04 [1] 26/19                 able [3] 13/7 18/16 23/21
    RIGHT2: [1] 36/6             20-579  [1]   1/8
                                 20-579-SVW [2] 3/7 37/1        about [10] 9/12 9/22 10/17
    THE CLERK: [4] 3/3 34/10                                     19/6 19/22 31/22 32/8 34/7
    36/25 37/16                  20036 [1] 2/19
                                 2021 [3]    1/15  3/1  40/10    34/8 36/20
    THE COURT: [55]                                             above  [1] 40/7
                                 20530 [1] 2/11
                                 21 [5] 24/20 25/7 25/14 26/6   above-entitled  [1] 40/7
   $                                                            absolutely [3] 25/20 36/7
                                  26/14
   $1 [2] 18/7 22/14             22 [11] 18/9 24/20 25/2 25/7 36/8
   $1 million [1] 18/7            25/14 26/1 26/6 26/14 28/22 abstentia [3] 3/18 3/20
   $1.14 [2] 5/22 7/8             28/23 40/10                    24/17
   $1.14 million [2] 5/22 7/8    23 [2] 13/14 15/24             accepted  [2] 21/3 22/13
   $16,646,071.26 [1] 28/5       24 [6] 22/7 22/24 23/6 25/7    access  [1]  8/19
   $200 [1] 18/24                 26/6 30/13                    accordance [1] 26/21
   $200,000 [1] 35/18            240 [1] 25/4                   account [3] 7/3 9/18 9/20
   $2300 [1] 28/3                26 [10] 24/22 24/23 25/2       accounts [4] 6/21 27/15
   $3.25 [1] 9/7                  25/4 25/9 25/15 26/2 26/5      27/15 27/16
   $3.25 million in [1] 9/7       26/9 26/13                    achievement  [2] 30/16 33/17
   $4 [1] 13/11                  262 [1] 25/3                   across  [2]  15/6 15/7
   $4 million in [1] 13/11       28 [1] 40/4                    Act [1] 25/24
   $50,000 [1] 28/22             295,676.26 [1] 28/8            actually [2] 9/9 22/18
   $600,000 [1] 9/8              2B [2] 4/22 5/8                add [1] 18/12
   $730,000 [1] 6/20             2B1.1 [2] 8/21 15/13           addition [2] 22/6 32/25
                                 2S [2] 4/22 5/9                additional [4] 35/4 36/4
   -                                                             36/6 36/21
   -10 [1] 16/4                  3                              address [2] 8/11 34/25
   -and [4] 2/5 2/6 2/6 2/9                                     adequate [1] 30/6
                                 3,395,835 [1] 28/6             adjectives [1] 29/9
   /                             30 [2]   29/12   37/14         adjustment [3] 4/9 9/1 10/23
                                 31 [1] 16/2                    Administration [1] 28/12
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   0                             315,000  [1]   28/7            advocate [1] 17/25
                                 318,231 [1] 28/11              advocated [3] 5/21 8/1 8/6
   04 [1] 26/19                  350 [1] 1/20                   after [2] 14/3 21/6
   1                             3553 [4]    10/5  10/11  19/16 afternoon [1] 3/10
                                  21/20                         again [5] 13/5 17/19 22/13
   1,238,691 [1] 28/7
   1.14 million [1] 9/3          4                               22/16 23/2
   1.5 [1] 13/9                                                 age [1] 19/19
                                 4.6 million [1] 38/18          agencies [1] 14/15
   1.5 million [3] 12/14 12/19 43 [1] 19/19
    38/22                                                       aggravated [3] 5/3 22/7
                                 4311 [1] 1/20                   24/19
   10 [9] 8/6 11/17 14/8 14/19 497,596 [1] 28/9
    14/20 14/21 16/4 30/25 36/20 499,945 [1] 28/9               ago [2] 13/17 31/1
   108 [2] 16/4 16/6                                            agree [1] 39/5
   10th [1] 5/18                 5                              agreement [1] 15/4
   11 [2] 8/21 22/4                                             ahead [3] 8/4 17/6 23/17
                                 5,589,900 [1] 28/12            AHN [2] 2/5 3/11
   112,500 [1] 28/8              521,223 [1] 28/6
   115 [6] 11/3 11/11 12/20                                     Ahn's [1] 12/21
                                 55 [1] 19/19                   al [1] 1/9
    13/11 36/18 38/17            579 [1] 1/8
   11:46 [1] 3/2                                                alias [1] 7/4
                                 5G1.3 [1] 23/25                alike [2] 31/25 32/1
   13-and-a-half [1] 32/20       5th [2] 2/15 25/6
   1330 [1] 2/19                                                all [25]
   135 [8] 16/6 16/7 18/14 22/4 6                               allow [1] 33/6
    22/6 22/20 23/5 32/19                                       already [2] 32/25 34/14
                                 60 [2] 24/7 39/10              also [7] 11/5 11/8 16/24
   137,500 [1] 28/9              633 [1] 2/15
   138 [3] 16/4 32/19 32/19                                      22/10 23/18 32/16 32/17
                                 680 [1] 15/14                  Alternatively [1] 38/13
   140 [1] 21/9
   1400 [1] 2/11                 7                              am [24]
   15 [7] 1/15 3/1 18/24 21/8                                   amended [2] 26/19 36/16
    26/4 26/5 32/21              70 [1] 24/9                    America [5] 1/6 2/3 3/8
   159 [1] 23/5                  72 [4] 18/8 19/20 20/8 24/9     28/10 37/2
   16 [3] 12/14 12/18 13/14      72-month [1] 18/1              among [2] 21/17 31/19
   162 [2] 22/12 22/20           73 [1] 24/9                    amount [25]
   17 [1] 26/3                   753 [1] 40/4                   amounts [1] 22/3
   18 [1] 32/14                  8                              amplify [1] 4/4
   19 [1] 32/14                                                 amply [2] 3/19 32/10
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   record [5] 4/4 6/5 9/6 14/25 Rigas' [1] 19/1                   severally [1] 28/13
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   Spring [1] 2/7                Tam [1] 30/21                 trial [16] 7/11 11/3 13/9
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    31/9                         think [22]                    upon [7] 12/19 15/12 26/10
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    19/14                        this [64]                     upper [1] 18/9
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   summaries [1] 18/13           through [9] 25/2 25/4 25/9    V
   summarized [2] 18/10 24/11     25/14 26/1 26/5 26/9 26/13
   summary [1] 12/19              28/22                        V-A-L-L-E [1] 7/16
   SUN [1] 2/5                   thrown [1] 5/23               Vahe [2] 16/17 28/16
   superseding [3] 26/2 26/7     time [7] 3/16 4/7 19/22 21/5 Valle [2] 7/16 7/18
    26/14                         27/24 37/24 38/16            variance [4] 18/1 32/18
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   supports [1] 4/2              took [3] 15/4 33/8 38/3       vehicle [1] 27/13
   supposed [1] 37/16            top [6] 22/5 22/24 23/5 23/8 versus [3] 3/8 15/13 37/2
   Supreme [1] 36/11              30/24 32/18                  very [7] 8/9 9/16 17/4 18/8
   sure [2] 9/5 33/24            Torres [1] 25/17               29/24 30/25 32/16
   survive [1] 20/24             total [2] 14/14 28/4          victim  [3] 13/20 14/6 21/18
   suspicion [1] 27/25           totaling [1] 6/20             victims [5] 8/6 8/7 14/8
   SVW [3] 1/8 3/7 37/1          totally [1] 34/8               14/21 28/20
   system [1] 33/4               toward [1] 25/16              victims'  [1] 28/18
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   vulnerable [4] 13/20 13/25
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    35/22 36/4 37/23
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    16/21 18/4 18/12 18/20 33/24
   warn [1] 27/20
   warrant [1] 32/1
   was [63]
   Washington [2] 2/11 2/19
   wasn't [2] 11/14 31/8
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   way [10] 25/10 29/14 30/11
    30/11 31/15 33/5 33/5 33/9
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   we [47]
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   well [8] 7/15 8/8 11/7 20/11
    21/16 34/11 39/3 39/12
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   wife [3] 11/5 15/9 31/1
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    17/22 20/3 27/23 34/24 35/22
    36/9 37/14 39/8 39/16
   willingly [1] 4/3
   WILSON [1] 1/3
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   wish [3] 10/15 12/2 16/12
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   year [4] 3/23 25/6 26/13
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