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Email from Bob Nelesen to Representative Dakota Soda Opposing HB 4913 and HB 4914

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An email sent October 28, 2025 by Bob Nelesen to Rep. Dakota Soda, with the subject Opposition to HB 4913 & HB 4914. The writer identifies as the Airport Engineer at Cherry Capital Airport and President of the Michigan Society of Professional Engineers (MSPE), and notes that the Economic Competitiveness Committee was to review the bills. The email states that HB 4913 would allow a path for apprenticeships to lead to licensure as an engineer, surveyor or architect, and argues that this jeopardizes public health, safety and welfare. It also states MSPE's opposition to eliminating the 2/3rds ownership requirement for design firms. The writer asks that both the writer's personal opposition and MSPE's be noted for the record.

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“Email from Bob Nelesen to Representative Dakota Soda Opposing HB 4913 and HB 4914.” Original at www.house.mi.gov. Archived at Pandemic Darlings, https://pandemicdarlings.com/source-documents/committee-735a286fbc82102e/, SHA-256 efd7b54b72571e74176c21a17541cd576d5b56b81e75f1634dea8f97ccca6ddf.

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Dakota Soda

From: Bob Nelesen <bob.nelesen@tvcairport.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2025 1:56 PM

To: Dakota Soda

Subject: Opposition to HB 4913 & HB 4914

Rep. Soda,

| am both the Airport Engineer at the Cherry Capital Airport and the President of the Michigan Society of
Professional Engineers (MSPE). MSPE is part of the Architects, Engineers and Surveyors Legislative Committee
(AESLC). It has come to my attention that the Economic Competitiveness Committee will meet on Thursday to
review HB 4913 & 4914. Please note for the record my personal and MSPE’s request to oppose these bills.

HB 4913 would allow a path for apprenticeships to become a licensed engineer, surveyor, or architect. We believe
this jeopardizes the public health, safety, and welfare of our residents. The idea of “experience only” allowing for
licensure has been evaluated by many states, and all legislative direction has pushed for greater assurances for
the public not less. The current system is a combination of rigorous education, experience, and testing that needs
to remain. | have practiced civil engineering in many states over my 24+ year career. As one who is personally
responsible for public health, safety, and welfare of critical infrastructure, this national standard needs to remain
Michigan’s standard.

Relatedly, MSPE wishes to express our desire to oppose the elimination of the 2/3rds ownership requirement for
design firms. We are concerned that financial outcomes will take precedence over public health, safety, and
welfare if firm majority ownership is not held by appropriately licensed professionals. Although improvements to
language could be made for corporate firms, this legislation goes too far and has too many potentially negative far-
reaching implications.

Please let me know if you have any questions.
Thank you,

Bob Nelesen, PE | Airport Engineer
Northwest Regional Airport Authority
Cherry Capital Airport

727 Fly Don’t Drive

Traverse City, MI 49686
231-947-2250

(>< Traverse City, MI

Nee ee | CCherry Capital Airport -TVC

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