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The printed record of a hearing of the House Committee on Small Business titled Building the Future: How Small Home Builders Are Closing America’s Housing Gap, on May 21, 2026, Small Business Committee Document Number 119–036. Chairman Roger Williams presided, and the contents list opening statements by Hon. Roger Williams and Hon. Nydia Velázquez. The witnesses were Bill Owens of the National Association of Home Builders, Dr. Ivan Rupnik of MOD X and Northeastern University, Eric Schaefer of Fading West and Emily DiVito of Groundwork Collaborative. The chairman's opening statement says more than one-half of American households cannot afford a $300,000 home and that as much as 40 percent of the cost of multifamily home development is not tied to brick and mortar. The appendix carries the prepared statements.

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                                                                  BUILDING THE FUTURE: HOW SMALL HOME
                                                                    BUILDERS ARE CLOSING AMERICA’S HOUSING
                                                                    GAP


                                                                                                      HEARING
                                                                                                             BEFORE THE


                                                                           COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
                                                                                  UNITED STATES
                                                                            HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
                                                                                    ONE HUNDRED NINETEENTH CONGRESS
                                                                                                           SECOND SESSION


                                                                                                           HEARING HELD
                                                                                                            MAY 21, 2026




                                                                                    Small Business Committee Document Number 119–036
                                                                                      Available via the GPO Website: www.govinfo.gov




                                                                                               U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE
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                                                                                        HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS
                                                                                             ROGER WILLIAMS, Texas, Chairman
                                                                                                  PETE STAUBER, Minnesota
                                                                                                  DAN MEUSER, Pennsylvania
                                                                                                   BETH VAN DUYNE, Texas
                                                                                                      JAKE ELLZEY, Texas
                                                                                                    MARK ALFORD, Missouri
                                                                                                  BRAD FINSTAD, Minnesota
                                                                                                     TONY WIED, Wisconsin
                                                                                               ROB BRESNAHAN, Pennsylvania
                                                                                                      BRIAN JACK, Georgia
                                                                                        KIMBERLYN KING-HINDS, Northern Marina Islands
                                                                                                   DEREK SCHMIDT, Kansas
                                                                                                   JIMMY PATRONIS, Florida
                                                                                                     CLAY FULLER, Georgia
                                                                                         NYDIA VELÁZQUEZ, New York, Ranking Member
                                                                                               MORGAN MCGARVEY, Kentucky
                                                                                                HILLARY SCHOLTEN, Michigan
                                                                                               LAMONICA MCIVER, New Jersey
                                                                                                   GIL CISNEROS, California
                                                                                                KELLY MORRISON, Minnesota
                                                                                                GEORGE LATIMER, New York
                                                                                                    DEREK TRAN, California
                                                                                                 LATEEFAH SIMON, California
                                                                                               JOHNNY OLSZEWSKI, Maryland
                                                                                            MAGGIE GOODLANDER, New Hampshire

                                                                                                SEAN DILLON, Majority Staff Director
                                                                                                MELISSA JUNG, Minority Staff Director




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                                                                                                                 CONTENTS
                                                                                                               OPENING STATEMENTS
                                                                                                                                                                                                Page
                                                                  Hon. Roger Williams ................................................................................................            1
                                                                  Hon. Nydia Velázquez .............................................................................................             2

                                                                                                                         WITNESSES
                                                                  Mr. Bill Owens, Chairman of the Board, National Association of Home Build-
                                                                    ers, Flagstaff, AZ ..................................................................................................         5
                                                                  Dr. Ivan Rupnik, PhD, Founding Partner, MOD X, Professor of Architecture,
                                                                    Northeastern University, Cambridge, MA .........................................................                              7
                                                                  Mr. Eric Schaefer, Chief Business Development Officer, Fading West, Buena
                                                                    Vista, CO ...............................................................................................................     8
                                                                  Ms. Emily DiVito, Senior Advisor for Economic Policy, Groundwork Collabo-
                                                                    rative, Washington, DC .......................................................................................               10

                                                                                                                          APPENDIX
                                                                  Prepared Statements:
                                                                      Mr. Bill Owens, Chairman of the Board, National Association of Home
                                                                        Builders, Flagstaff, AZ .................................................................................                33
                                                                      Dr. Ivan Rupnik, PhD, Founding Partner, MOD X, Professor of Architec-
                                                                        ture, Northeastern University, Cambridge, MA .........................................                                   46
                                                                      Mr. Eric Schaefer, Chief Business Development Officer, Fading West,
                                                                        Buena Vista, CO ...........................................................................................              56
                                                                      Ms. Emily DiVito, Senior Advisor for Economic Policy, Groundwork Col-
                                                                        laborative, Washington, DC .........................................................................                     63
                                                                  Questions for the Record:
                                                                      None.
                                                                  Answers for the Record:
                                                                      None.
                                                                  Additional Material for the Record:
                                                                      None.




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                                                                       BUILDING THE FUTURE: HOW SMALL HOME
                                                                          BUILDERS ARE CLOSING AMERICA’S
                                                                                   HOUSING GAP

                                                                                                 THURSDAY, MAY 21, 2026

                                                                                          HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
                                                                                      COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS,
                                                                                                                   Washington, DC.
                                                                     The Committee met, pursuant to call, at 10:02 a.m., in Room
                                                                  2360, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Roger Williams [chair-
                                                                  man of the Committee] presiding.
                                                                     Present: Representatives Williams, Meuser, Jack, Velázquez,
                                                                  McGarvey, Scholten, McIver, Cisneros, Morrison, Tran, Olszewski,
                                                                  and Goodlander.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Good morning to everyone. I now call the
                                                                  Committee on Small Business to order. Without objection, the
                                                                  Chair is authorized to declare a recess of the committee at any
                                                                  time, and I now recognize myself for my opening statement.
                                                                     Good morning and welcome to today’s hearing titled Building the
                                                                  Future: How Small Home Builders are closing America’s housing
                                                                  gap. I want to thank our witnesses for joining us today and for
                                                                  lending their time and expertise to this important conversation.
                                                                  And homeownership remains a cornerstone of the American dream.
                                                                  Homeownership represents more than just a roof over your head.
                                                                  It is the foundation of personal stability and freedom and a place
                                                                  where families are formed, children are raised, and memories are
                                                                  made. It is where much of America’s small business activity begins,
                                                                  with millions of entrepreneurs launching and operating businesses
                                                                  from their homes. Roughly half of all new businesses start in the
                                                                  home. But that dream, for too many Americans, feels increasingly
                                                                  out of reach. Our nation is facing a serious supply and affordability
                                                                  challenge. Today, more than half, one-half of the American house-
                                                                  holds cannot afford a $300,000 home. And when housing construc-
                                                                  tion slows and housing becomes unattainable, communities stag-
                                                                  nate, growth slows, and young families are priced out. Priced out.
                                                                     Main street across the country feel that the consequences as
                                                                  fewer people are able to plant roots, start businesses, and invest
                                                                  in their neighborhoods. Amid these challenges, small homebuilders
                                                                  have become essential. They have often the most agile, responsive,
                                                                  and innovative builders willing to meet that moment. Across the
                                                                  country, small business and small homebuilders are pushing the
                                                                  boundaries of what is possible in housing delivery. Whether
                                                                  through modular or manufactured housing, or emerging methods
                                                                  like 3D printed construction, small home builders are re-imagining
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                                                                  how homes are built from the concept to completion. These innova-
                                                                  tions offer real promise. By reshaping our approach to housing con-
                                                                  struction, these innovations can deliver faster construction
                                                                  timelines, lower material costs, reduce waste, and offer greater effi-
                                                                  ciency in bringing homes to the market.
                                                                     Yet despite this momentum, significant barriers remain for the
                                                                  small homebuilders across the country. Key challenges such as
                                                                  overregulation and access to capital continue to drive up home
                                                                  costs and constrain supply. In some cases, much as 40 percent of
                                                                  the cost of multifamily home development is tied to—is not tied to
                                                                  brick and mortar, but to navigating layers of compliance costs, lo-
                                                                  cally and state and federal requirements.
                                                                     At a time when many families are struggling to find an afford-
                                                                  able place to live, we must ask hard questions about whether our
                                                                  current system is helping meet those moments. Because often the
                                                                  solutions already exist in the ingenuity of builders and entre-
                                                                  preneurs across this country. What they need is a space to build,
                                                                  the clarity to plan, and the freedom to innovate as they can deliver
                                                                  their homes to Americans that we need urgently. Local officials
                                                                  across the country are beginning to realize this, and needless to
                                                                  say, whatever local regulations have been loosened, like in Austin,
                                                                  Texas, the housing market has boomed.
                                                                     Now, you also will hear from our witnesses today, small business
                                                                  home builders are continuing to press forward despite their bar-
                                                                  riers, but it is time to stop hamstringing our best and our bright-
                                                                  est. When small home builders are constrained, It affects people
                                                                  far—it affects people far beyond the housing market, and other in-
                                                                  dustries feel the pressure. Local economies lose momentum and
                                                                  worker mobility becomes restricted. Housing is a driver of economic
                                                                  growth, and when workers cannot find affordable homes near their
                                                                  jobs, certain employers struggle to recruit and maintain talent.
                                                                  Productivity suffers and economic expansion slows. A shortage of
                                                                  housing does not just limit where people live, it also limits where
                                                                  people can grow, where workers can move, and how strongly local
                                                                  economies can compete.
                                                                     So as a committee, it is our responsibility to look at the chal-
                                                                  lenges that facing small home builders and bring their obstacles to
                                                                  light with clarity and with purpose. It is also our duty to empower
                                                                  the people who build America to do what they do best. And ur role
                                                                  is to ensure that the committee is a partner in progress, not a road-
                                                                  block to it. Just yesterday, the Ranking Member and I, along with
                                                                  our colleagues, voted to pass the House-led bipartisan housing bill
                                                                  that we passed out of this chamber yesterday. We need to work to-
                                                                  gether to ensure that small home builders can compete, innovate,
                                                                  and deliver the housing this country is counting on. I want to
                                                                  thank all of you again for being here. Coming, it is a big deal that
                                                                  you will come. I look forward to the conversation ahead today. With
                                                                  that in mind, I now yield to our Ranking Member and my friend
                                                                  from New York, Ms. Velázquez.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for calling this
                                                                  timely hearing on one of the most important issues facing our econ-
                                                                  omy. Let me also take this opportunity to welcome all the wit-
                                                                  nesses and to thank you for being here.




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                                                                     Nowhere is our affordability crisis more evident than in housing
                                                                  where half of renters are rent-burdened and a quarter pay more
                                                                  than half of their income. In New York City, our rental market is
                                                                  out of control. On average, New Yorkers who rent are paying 41
                                                                  percent of their income. This isn’t a red or blue state issue either.
                                                                  Cities in states like Texas and Florida also face rental affordability
                                                                  issues. Similarly, homeownership is drifting further out of reach.
                                                                  According to the Atlanta Fed, the salary needed to afford the me-
                                                                  dian home is roughly $116,000, 36 percent higher than the actual
                                                                  median income of $85,000. Over just the past 6 years, the median
                                                                  home price has surged over 30 percent, and elevated interest rates
                                                                  are keeping many locked into their low in low-rate pandemic-era
                                                                  mortgages. As a result, an entire generation has been priced out
                                                                  of home ownership.
                                                                     According to the National Association of Realtors, the first-time
                                                                  homebuyer share is now at a record low, and the typical age of a
                                                                  first-time homebuyer is an all-time high of 40 years old. We are not
                                                                  building enough housing to meet demand. Experts estimate we lack
                                                                  between 3 and 5 million units nationwide. Tackling this issue will
                                                                  mean addressing shortages of both single-family and multifamily
                                                                  housing developments. I hope this hearing can identify causes and
                                                                  address solutions to this crisis, including by leveraging the power
                                                                  of small firms across the nation.
                                                                     Yesterday, the House began addressing some of those issues by
                                                                  passing the 21st Century Road to Housing Act, which makes im-
                                                                  portant reforms to federal housing programs and includes language
                                                                  I offer on cooperative housing developments and oversight of mon-
                                                                  itors and receivers of public housing authorities. This bill is an im-
                                                                  portant first step, but it is not the complete answer. I urge the Sen-
                                                                  ate to act quickly and pass this bill. Yet we must all recognize that
                                                                  we still need substantial investment in housing programs to tackle
                                                                  this issue. While the issue, slow housing construction, is caused by
                                                                  many structural problems, from labor and materials to financing to
                                                                  land regulations, it is clear that the administration who cam-
                                                                  paigned on affordability is making the problem worse.
                                                                     For instance, this administration’s cruel and racist immigration
                                                                  policies have specifically targeted a large portion of the construc-
                                                                  tion workforce. As a result, threats of ICE raids have deterred even
                                                                  documented workers and legal residents from showing up to job
                                                                  sites, extending timelines and growing costs. Tariffs enacted solely
                                                                  by the president are adding costs to building materials, including
                                                                  Canadian softwood lumber, steel, aluminum, and copper, and even
                                                                  kitchen cabinets and furniture. These tariffs are inflating prices
                                                                  from foundation to finish. To make matters worse, the war in Iran
                                                                  has caused diesel to surge to over $6 per gallon in many states,
                                                                  causing builders to face additional fuel surcharges in transporting
                                                                  building materials. High prices and growing inflation threaten to
                                                                  keep interest rates high, while further straining the budgets of
                                                                  renters, homebuyers, builders, and sellers.
                                                                     Just last week, we received inflation data that confirmed price
                                                                  hikes are once again outpacing incomes, driven primarily by the
                                                                  president’s signature policies, tariffs and the Iran war. The Kraft
                                                                  Heinz CEO said this plainly to the Wall Street Journal last week:
                                                                  consumers are literally running out of money at the end of the




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                                                                  month. Meanwhile, the administration is proposing to gut the very
                                                                  programs, rental assistance, community development grants, and
                                                                  home investment partnerships, that help fill the gap between what
                                                                  the market can deliver and what families can afford. Taken to-
                                                                  gether, these policies and economic conditions aren’t alleviating the
                                                                  housing shortage. They are making it worse.
                                                                    Rather than focusing on the issue he was elected to solve, the
                                                                  president focuses on securing $1 billion in taxpayer funds for a
                                                                  ballroom and even spending $30 million on an odd bid contract to
                                                                  paint the reflecting pool. Not to mention spending $1.7 billion on
                                                                  a slush fund for his insiders and cronies, some of whom ransacked
                                                                  the Capitol on January 6th. A billion dollars could build a lot of
                                                                  houses and go a long way toward helping small businesses fill this
                                                                  gap. I look forward to hearing from witnesses about how we could
                                                                  better allocate our resources to address this crisis and make life
                                                                  more affordable for everyday Americans. Thank you. I yield back.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                    We will now move to the witness introductions. Our first witness
                                                                  today is Mr. Bill Owens. Mr. Owens is Chairman of the Board of
                                                                  the National Association of Home Builders. Mr. Owens is also the
                                                                  principal of Owens Construction, an Ohio-based residential con-
                                                                  struction firm he established in 1982, that is recognized for award-
                                                                  winning energy-efficient home designs. Mr. Owen has also held nu-
                                                                  merous leadership roles across the home building industry, includ-
                                                                  ing Chairman and positions with the NAHB Remodelers Council,
                                                                  Home Builders Institute, and the New American Home and Re-
                                                                  model Task Force. Mr. Owens is a longtime industry leader at the
                                                                  local, state, and national level. He has served on the NAHB Board
                                                                  of Directors for more than 20 years. He has previously served as
                                                                  president of the Ohio Home Builders Association. Mr. Owens is
                                                                  also a Member of the Harvard Joint Center for Housing Studies
                                                                  Remodeling Futures Steering Committee and remains active in
                                                                  professional education, workforce development, and community
                                                                  service along with his wife, Betsy. I want to thank you again for
                                                                  being here today. It is a pleasure.
                                                                    Our next witness is Dr. Ivan Rupnik. Dr. Rupnik is founding
                                                                  partner of MOD X, a research-based advisory group focused on ac-
                                                                  celerating the underutilized housing industry. Dr. Upnick is also a
                                                                  professor of architecture at Northeastern University. His research
                                                                  focuses on industrialized housing delivery, particularly the regu-
                                                                  latory and institutional barriers in off-site construction in the
                                                                  United States. Dr. Rupnick’s work has been featured in the New
                                                                  York Times, and he has presented at HUD, the Harvard Kennedy
                                                                  School, and the National Housing Summit. Through multiple HUD-
                                                                  funded projects, MOD X has produced major policy reports. Their
                                                                  work has identified regulatory reform as a top priority for scaling
                                                                  industrialized housing. Dr. Rupnick holds a PhD in architecture
                                                                  from Harvard University, where his doctoral research examined
                                                                  the relationship between building design Industrial Management
                                                                  and Housing Policy, and he also holds a Master of Architecture
                                                                  with distinction from the Harvard Graduate School of Design and
                                                                  a Bachelor of Architecture summa cum laude from Louisiana State
                                                                  University. I look forward to our discussion.




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                                                                     Our next witness today is Mr. Eric Schaefer. Mr. Schaefer is the
                                                                  Chief Business Development Officer at Falling West Development,
                                                                  or Fading, sorry, Fading West Development, a Colorado-based mod-
                                                                  ular home builder focused on providing affordable, high-quality
                                                                  homes, and he also helps lead Fading West’s innovative modular
                                                                  housing projects focused on meeting the needs of communities. Mr.
                                                                  Schaefer also plays a key role in building partnerships with devel-
                                                                  opers, nonprofits, and municipalities across Colorado, Hawaii, and
                                                                  the broader western region. Since the company’s manufacturing fa-
                                                                  cility opened in 2022, he has helped advance 25 projects resulting
                                                                  in the creation of more than 500 homes across the western United
                                                                  States. Mr. Schaffer has testified before the Senate Banking Sub-
                                                                  committee on Housing, Transportation, Community Development
                                                                  in 2024 and the House Financial Services Committee on Housing
                                                                  and Insurance in 2025. He holds a Bachelor of Science in Commu-
                                                                  nication from Florida State University and a Master of Divinity
                                                                  from Columbia Theological Seminary. So I look forward to your tes-
                                                                  timony.
                                                                     I now recognize the Ranking Member, Velázquez, to briefly intro-
                                                                  duce our last witness appearing before us today.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
                                                                     Our final witness today is Emily DiVito, senior advisor for eco-
                                                                  nomic policy at Groundwork Collaborative, where she manages the
                                                                  work on the housing crisis. Prior to Groundwork, she was the direc-
                                                                  tor of finance, corporate regulation, and consumer protection at
                                                                  Roosevelt Institute and a policy advisor at the U.S. Treasury De-
                                                                  partment. Her research has been featured in The Washington Post,
                                                                  The Guardian, and Bloomberg. She holds a bachelor’s degree from
                                                                  Wesley College and an MPA from Columbia University. Thank you
                                                                  for joining us today, Emily. We look forward to your testimony.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                     And I want to also say thank you to our witnesses. We appre-
                                                                  ciate all of you being here today. Now, before recognizing the wit-
                                                                  nesses, I’d like to remind them that their oral testimony is re-
                                                                  stricted to 5 minutes in length. That’s an important number here,
                                                                  5 minutes. If you see the light turn red in front of you, it means
                                                                  your 5 minutes has concluded and you should wrap up your testi-
                                                                  mony. And if you continue on, you’ll hear this. That means you got
                                                                  to stop what you’re saying, okay? I know you’ll do fine. So with
                                                                  that in mind, I now recognize Mr. Owens for his 5-minute opening
                                                                  remarks.
                                                                  STATEMENTS OF BILL OWENS, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, NA-
                                                                   TIONAL ASSOCIATION OF HOME BUILDERS; DR. IVAN
                                                                   RUPNIK, PHD, FOUNDING PARTNER, MOD X, PROFESSOR OF
                                                                   ARCHITECTURE, NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY; MR. ERIC
                                                                   SCHAEFER, CHIEF BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT OFFICER, FAD-
                                                                   ING WEST; AND MS. EMILY DIVITO, SENIOR ADVISOR FOR
                                                                   ECONOMIC POLICY, GROUNDWORK COLLABORATIVE

                                                                       STATEMENT OF BILL OWENS, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD,
                                                                           NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF HOME BUILDERS
                                                                    Mr. OWENS. Chairman Williams, Ranking Member Velázquez,
                                                                  and Members of committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify




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                                                                  on America’s housing supply crisis. I am here today representing
                                                                  NAHB’s Members, most of whom are small businesses who build
                                                                  10 or fewer homes per year yet collectively, they construct roughly
                                                                  80 percent of all new housing in the United States. At its core, to-
                                                                  day’s affordability challenge is driven by a simple imbalance: the
                                                                  nation is not producing enough housing to meet demand. NAHB es-
                                                                  timates a structural shortage of roughly 1.2 million homes. Va-
                                                                  cancy rates remain historically low, and the resulting supply-de-
                                                                  mand mismatch has pushed both home prices and rents beyond the
                                                                  reach of too many households.
                                                                     To explain why it is so difficult to build enough attainable hous-
                                                                  ing, NAHB often points to the 5 L’s: lending, lots, labor, lumber,
                                                                  and laws. These interrelated constraints make clear that the crisis
                                                                  is structural and cannot be solved by addressing a single factor
                                                                  alone. First, Lending. Housing production depends on access to cap-
                                                                  ital, and for many small builders, that means financing from com-
                                                                  munity banks. Credit conditions remain tight, with borrowing costs
                                                                  elevated, limiting the ability of builders to move projects forward.
                                                                  We are encouraged by recent efforts to highlight project-based
                                                                  working capital options for homebuilders and look forward to work-
                                                                  ing with the committee and the SBA to ensure these programs are
                                                                  available to all builders.
                                                                     Second, lots. A shortage of buildable lots remains a major obsta-
                                                                  cle as land development costs continue to rise. Restrictive zoning,
                                                                  infrastructure limitations, impact fees, local opposition, and federal
                                                                  permitting delays all constrain the ability to bring land to market.
                                                                  These challenges are especially acute for small builders who cannot
                                                                  spend or who cannot spread high fixed development costs across
                                                                  large-scale projects.
                                                                     Third, labor. The skilled labor workforce shortage continues to
                                                                  significantly limit housing production. At any given time, there are
                                                                  more than 200,000 open positions in residential construction. In
                                                                  2024 alone, labor shortages prevented the construction of roughly
                                                                  19,000 homes and added nearly 2 months to project timelines. Con-
                                                                  gress can help by strengthening workforce development programs,
                                                                  expanding training and career pathways in the skilled trades, and
                                                                  ensuring legal and efficient workforce access where domestic labor
                                                                  supply is insufficient.
                                                                     Fourth, labor and materials. Construction input costs remain ele-
                                                                  vated with continued price increases in 2026 compounding the
                                                                  challenges posed by financing costs, labor shortages, and delays.
                                                                  Even modest increases in material prices can determine whether a
                                                                  project is viable or not.
                                                                     Finally, laws, meaning regulation. Regulatory costs act as a hid-
                                                                  den tax on housing production. NAHB research shows that regula-
                                                                  tion accounts for nearly 25 percent of the cost of a new single-fam-
                                                                  ily home and over 40 percent of multifamily development costs.
                                                                  These burdens increase carrying costs and financing risk. Permit-
                                                                  ting challenges are particularly burdensome for small builders. For
                                                                  example, under the Clean Water Act, the difference between a
                                                                  streamlined nationwide permit and an individual permit can add
                                                                  hundreds of thousands of dollars and more than a year in delays,
                                                                  directly reducing the number of homes that can be built. The bot-
                                                                  tom line is clear: there is a supply problem. Small builders are




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                                                                  ready to help meet the challenge by delivering housing in local
                                                                  markets and underserved communities.
                                                                    But progress will remain limited if costs and delays continue to
                                                                  escalate across financing, land, labor, materials, and regulation.
                                                                  Congress can play a role by advancing supply-focused reforms that
                                                                  expand access to capital, strengthen workforce pipelines, increase
                                                                  the availability of buildable lots, and reduce the excessive regu-
                                                                  latory costs and permitting delays. If we want to make housing
                                                                  more attainable, we must make it easier and less expensive to
                                                                  build. Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. Thank you. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                    I now recognize Dr. Rupnik for his 5-minute opening remarks.
                                                                  STATEMENT OF IVAN RUPNIK, PHD, FOUNDING PARTNER,
                                                                   MOD X, AND ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF ARCHITECTURE,
                                                                   NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY
                                                                     Mr. RUPNIK. Chairman Williams, Ranking Member Velázquez,
                                                                  thank you. Thank you for the opportunity to testify.
                                                                     This year I co-authored or published a report from HUD that ex-
                                                                  amined why the United States has persistently struggled to indus-
                                                                  trialize housing delivery while our peer economies have not. What
                                                                  we found was that much of the work that was done abroad was
                                                                  first proposed in the United States but never fully implemented.
                                                                  The industrialization of housing delivery is the integration of de-
                                                                  sign, off-site production, and on-site assembly into a coordinated
                                                                  system. Most American industries operate within this regulatory
                                                                  framework that supports this kind of integration, including auto-
                                                                  motive. Housing does not.
                                                                     In 1968, HUD documented exactly this issue and concluded that
                                                                  the federal role is to create enabling conditions within which com-
                                                                  panies can innovate to address housing affordability. In response,
                                                                  Congress authorized HUD to pilot a form of regulatory stream-
                                                                  lining called Housing System Certification. That pilot, Operation
                                                                  Breakthrough, validated this approach through work in 8 different
                                                                  states and 20 different companies. Six years later, Congress con-
                                                                  cluded that the lack of uniform housing and building regulatory
                                                                  provisions increases the cost of construction and thereby reduces
                                                                  the amount of housing and other community facilities which can be
                                                                  provided. The ’74 Housing and Community Development Act then
                                                                  produced two performance-based regulatory reform actions.
                                                                     The first was the HUD Code, which has been discussed exten-
                                                                  sively. The second, the more exciting part for me, was the estab-
                                                                  lishment of the National Institute of Building Science, or NIBS,
                                                                  mandated by Congress to continue the work HUD had piloted de-
                                                                  veloping a performance-based fast track for small innovative com-
                                                                  panies to deliver housing. The problem had been identified and
                                                                  measured, a solution had been demonstrated, an institution had
                                                                  been established, but what was never completed was implementa-
                                                                  tion.
                                                                     Our recent report renewed a call for housing system certification
                                                                  for 3 concrete reasons. It was proven out at a pilot level in the
                                                                  United States through Operation Breakthrough. It has been oper-
                                                                  ating successfully in Japan for more than 50 years. Today more
                                                                  than 28 percent of Japanese housing goes through this fast-track




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                                                                  route and has serious benefits. And it is also the same framework
                                                                  that we already use to govern every other consequential American
                                                                  manufactured product, automobiles, our aircraft, medical devices,
                                                                  our food, our pharmaceuticals. A housing system is essentially a
                                                                  product definition. The design logic, the structural and material
                                                                  systems, the off-site manufacturing and on-site assembly processes,
                                                                  quality insurance, and quality control of a defined, repeatable hous-
                                                                  ing offering treated as a unified whole rather than a collection of
                                                                  discrete decisions made project by project.
                                                                     What defines it as a system is the integration, the design for
                                                                  manufacturing assembly, coordinated supply chains, serial produc-
                                                                  tion, and continuous improvement. In other words, industrialized
                                                                  housing delivery. Permitting through this would be streamlined.
                                                                  Lenders and insurers could rely on the certification as a basis for
                                                                  underwriting. Code officials would retain their authority, but exer-
                                                                  cise it against a known and tested baseline. Federal programs
                                                                  could utilize certification for awards and subsidies. This is what’s
                                                                  done in Japan. This is not a proposal to preempt local code officials.
                                                                  It is a proposal to give them a tested performance baseline against
                                                                  which to exercise their authority. The savings would come not from
                                                                  redoing the same approvals in every project.
                                                                     The quality gains would come from concentrating expert review
                                                                  at the systems level rather than fusing it across thousands of indi-
                                                                  vidual project reviews. In the U.S., the strongest endorsement for
                                                                  housing system certification has come from small vertically inte-
                                                                  grated companies like my friend Eric Schaefer here, who’s also
                                                                  serving on a technical committee to support our work. Fading West
                                                                  will be discussed today. Certification benefits factory, site, and hy-
                                                                  brid delivery equally because what it certifies is the integrated sys-
                                                                  tem, not the technology itself. It also certifies the technology. Some
                                                                  innovative site builders have also endorsed this regulatory form for
                                                                  exactly the same reason, including Texas-based JPI, a major multi-
                                                                  family builder.
                                                                     MOD X is working with NIBS and a steering and technical com-
                                                                  mittee of 21 people to develop the standard. We hope to be com-
                                                                  pleted by December of 2026. And we’re happy to say that the state
                                                                  of Washington is already working to pilot this at a state level. Todd
                                                                  Beyreuther, who is an industry expert and also the Chair of the
                                                                  Building Council, is developing this. I wanted to make this com-
                                                                  mittee aware of this important work, more than half a century in
                                                                  the making, and I look forward to your questions and your
                                                                  thoughts about how federal action can support state, local, and gov-
                                                                  ernment, and NIBS in helping to scale. Thank you.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Thank you.
                                                                     I now recognize Mr. Schaefer for his 5-minute opening remarks.
                                                                          STATEMENT OF ERIC SCHAEFER, CHIEF BUSINESS
                                                                        DEVELOPMENT OFFICER, FADING WEST DEVELOPMENT
                                                                    Mr. SCHAEFER. Thank you, Chairman Williams, Ranking Mem-
                                                                  ber Velázquez, and Members of the committee for the opportunity
                                                                  to testify today.
                                                                    My name is Eric Schaefer, and I am Chief Business Development
                                                                  Officer for Fading West in Buena Vista, Colorado. We are a fully
                                                                  integrated design, construction, and modular manufacturing com-




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                                                                  pany focused on the Lean process. The U.S. faces a crushing hous-
                                                                  ing deficit, and this burden falls on both national builders and
                                                                  smaller home builders like Fading West. With little or no innova-
                                                                  tion in the past 50 years in how houses are built, Fading West and
                                                                  the modular manufacturing industry firmly believe that this com-
                                                                  mittee has a vital role to play in helping small home builders inno-
                                                                  vate, scale, and actively participate in resolving our national hous-
                                                                  ing shortage. To understand the challenges small home builders
                                                                  face, we must look at how far the U.S. lags in manufacturing adop-
                                                                  tion. In our country, modular construction represents less than 5
                                                                  percent of all housing. For comparison, in Scandinavia, modular
                                                                  makes up over 45 percent. We are failing to address the root sys-
                                                                  temic causes holding back our construction sector.
                                                                     First, it is because of a fractured labor pipeline. Forty-one per-
                                                                  cent of the current construction workforce will retire by the year
                                                                  2031. With fewer skilled trade professionals available, labor costs
                                                                  will rise and slow project timelines. Second, the price of residential
                                                                  construction goods has gone up over 40 percent since 2020. And
                                                                  third, the regulatory burden. Regulations account for 25 percent of
                                                                  the average sale price of a new home. And fourth, there are 43,000
                                                                  individual building code jurisdictions across the United States, and
                                                                  this makes it difficult for modular factories to standardize.
                                                                     Fading West has shown that building homes using Lean manu-
                                                                  facturing principles in our 110,000-square-foot factory has helped
                                                                  us reduce waste from 30 percent down to 3 percent. We have over
                                                                  100 employees who can build a house in less than 10 days in the
                                                                  factory and then complete the on-site work in less than 30 days for
                                                                  a total of 40 days, far less than traditional construction. We build
                                                                  homes 20 percent cheaper and 50 percent faster. We recently built
                                                                  our 1,000th unit in our 4.5 years since opening. To see this in ac-
                                                                  tion, I would like to highlight a partnership that we have with
                                                                  Rural Homes, a nonprofit developer in Telluride. In high-cost
                                                                  mountain and rural towns in Colorado, traditional site building
                                                                  costs are prohibitive for workforce housing. Together with Rural
                                                                  Homes, we have scaled a unique public-private philanthropic part-
                                                                  nership blueprint. Under Governor Polis, Colorado has become a
                                                                  modular-friendly state through initiatives like Proposition 123, eq-
                                                                  uity funding, and Senate Bill 2409, and the state is streamlining
                                                                  factory certifications and has slashed red tape. By pairing donated
                                                                  municipal land, low-cost philanthropic capital, and Fading West’s
                                                                  factory speed of delivery, we are building workforce housing at
                                                                  prices well below regional and market pricing.
                                                                     We are currently building projects all around Colorado, in Wyo-
                                                                  ming, in Texas, in Montana, and have signed first contracts in the
                                                                  Pacific Palisades for families that lost homes in the fire. We built
                                                                  85 homes in our Colorado factory and shipped them to Lahaina for
                                                                  the FEMA disaster relief project in Maui. We are currently build-
                                                                  ing 24 homes for the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands
                                                                  (DHHL) for a pilot project in Honolulu for their beneficiaries. We
                                                                  are also partnering with DHHL to build a factory in Hawaii which
                                                                  will speed up building and reduce cost.
                                                                     To empower small businesses, I offer three recommendations:
                                                                  provide direct capital incentives for facilities through federal grants
                                                                  and 0 percent interest loans; to create regional building codes for




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                                                                  different climate zones, which will unlock standardization and
                                                                  allow factories to flourish; and to prioritize and reward vertically
                                                                  integrated public-private partnerships. Housing policy is education
                                                                  policy, it is economic policy, it is environmental policy, it is trans-
                                                                  portation policy, it is community policy. The committee can em-
                                                                  power small businesses to be the master key that unlocks a new
                                                                  era of attainable housing, vibrant communities, and thriving local
                                                                  economies across America. Thank you, and I look forward to ques-
                                                                  tions.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Thank you. And the gentleman yields
                                                                  back.
                                                                     I now recognize Ms. DiVito for her 5-minute opening remarks.
                                                                          STATEMENT OF EMILY DIVITO, SENIOR ADVISOR FOR
                                                                          ECONOMIC POLICY, GROUNDWORK COLLABORATIVE
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Chairman Williams, Ranking Member Velázquez,
                                                                  and Members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to
                                                                  testify.
                                                                     My name is Emily DiVito. I am the senior advisor for economic
                                                                  policy at Groundwork Collaborative, an economic policy think tank
                                                                  in Washington, D.C. We face a housing affordability crisis wors-
                                                                  ened by existing housing shortages and a failure to build more
                                                                  homes of all types. Congress is already taking on barriers to build-
                                                                  ing, such as restrictive zoning, through the 21st Century Road to
                                                                  Housing Act. Such efforts are important, but zoning reform alone
                                                                  will be insufficient to fix the housing affordability crisis. Home
                                                                  builders and home buyers face economic headwinds that Congress
                                                                  must tackle head on. As this committee knows, small and medium-
                                                                  sized home builders play a hugely important role in the U.S. hous-
                                                                  ing system.
                                                                     I would like to highlight two particular cost challenges for build-
                                                                  ers that ultimately put housing out of reach for many families: the
                                                                  rising cost of construction and the high cost of capital. The Trump
                                                                  administration is driving up the cost of construction through its
                                                                  mismanagement of the economy, specifically tariffs on core building
                                                                  materials, as well as higher transportation costs and higher inter-
                                                                  est rates due to the Iran conflict. In the latest Producer Price
                                                                  Index, the price of goods used in residential construction was up
                                                                  1.2 percent over the last month and up 6.1 percent from last year.
                                                                  Higher prices place a particular strain on small builders who do
                                                                  not have the resources or scale to mitigate tariff costs or to pass
                                                                  rising transportation costs through to consumers.
                                                                     The Center for American Progress recently estimated that higher
                                                                  building costs due to the tariffs will lead to 450,000 fewer homes
                                                                  built over the next 5 years. At the same time, a lethargic labor
                                                                  market and the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown
                                                                  make it more difficult for firms to find and retain construction
                                                                  workers, adding further time delays and additional costs to the
                                                                  home building process. These higher construction costs get passed
                                                                  on to home buyers in the form of higher prices.
                                                                     Meanwhile, just months after DOGE cut staffing at federal hous-
                                                                  ing agencies, the Trump administration is pulling back on federal
                                                                  housing funding by proposing the elimination of programs like
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                                                                  Block Grants. These programs have channeled millions of dollars
                                                                  to local businesses and community partners, helping meet the
                                                                  needs of over 2 million people and resulting in the construction or
                                                                  rehabilitation of more than 1.3 million units of affordable housing.
                                                                  Let’s be clear, these challenges didn’t come out of nowhere. The
                                                                  higher prices we see today are the result of specific policy choices
                                                                  by this administration that Congress can rein in.
                                                                     But even before the price hikes, cost of capital had already been
                                                                  a major constraint to new construction. Building the capital stack,
                                                                  the specific debt, the specific blend of debt and equity required for
                                                                  a given project can be costly for firms raising capital from investors
                                                                  seeking returns. Small and emerging developers without the same
                                                                  resources or established track records of large firms have more
                                                                  challenges securing construction loans and recruiting investors in
                                                                  the first place. And even when small developers secure financing,
                                                                  investors often impose strict repayment schedules and high return
                                                                  expectations, which ultimately result in higher costs for consumers.
                                                                     Congress should target interventions that lower the cost of cap-
                                                                  ital and make it easier for homebuilders to build to affordability.
                                                                  First, Congress should allow entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie
                                                                  Mac to buy and sell construction loans, especially the tranches of
                                                                  debt costlier for developers. Existing programs within the Federal
                                                                  Home Loan Bank System should also be expanded. Second, govern-
                                                                  ment should leverage their borrowing power to help cities and
                                                                  states establish revolving loan funds that can extend financing
                                                                  with low interest rates at long maturities to facilitate new con-
                                                                  struction. Third, Congress should play a bigger role in ensuring
                                                                  mortgages are affordable to homebuyers. This can be achieved
                                                                  through popular policies such as providing low-rate direct federal
                                                                  mortgages reducing mortgage insurance premiums, and allowing
                                                                  families to utilize portable mortgages.
                                                                     Ultimately, policies such as these will make it easier and cheaper
                                                                  for businesses to access the financing they need to build more
                                                                  homes. If Congress can lower the cost of construction and the cost
                                                                  of capital, more builders, especially small ones, will be able to
                                                                  meaningfully expand the housing supply at lower prices, which ul-
                                                                  timately means more homes that working families can afford.
                                                                  Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                     We will now move to the Member questions under the 5-minute
                                                                  rule. I recognize myself for 5 minutes.
                                                                     Mr. Owens, as a Chairman of the National Association of Home
                                                                  Builders, you spent more than 4 decades in the residential con-
                                                                  struction industry and have seen firsthand how the regulatory
                                                                  landscape has evolved in the local, state, and federal levels. And
                                                                  small home builders play a critical role in meeting housing de-
                                                                  mand. But many say increasingly complex and costly requirements
                                                                  have made it harder to build homes efficiently and affordably. So
                                                                  my question would be, to give a small homebuilder a fair chance
                                                                  to succeed, how important is it to reduce unnecessary regulations?
                                                                  And over the years, have these regulations been easier to navigate
                                                                  or increasingly burdensome for some homebuilders?
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. Thank you for the question, Chairman. That defi-
                                                                  nitely strikes home. I mean, we deal with this every day. The, you




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                                                                  know, what we’ve done with or what we’ve dealt with over the 4
                                                                  decades of increased regulation just isn’t from a code or a land use
                                                                  point of view. It has nothing to do with any one particular item.
                                                                  But when we, when we talk about a combination of factors at the
                                                                  land development phase, we talk about issues with restrictive zon-
                                                                  ing, with impact fees. And again, we understand this isn’t all fed-
                                                                  eral mandated. This can be state as well as local regulation as well.
                                                                     But then when we look at infrastructure constraints, even the
                                                                  NIMBY-ism, the local opposition, can, can add in, you know, an in-
                                                                  teresting kind of twist into our ability to build. And I think what
                                                                  we’re trying to do right now is to just recognize that, and as we
                                                                  bring this to Congress, and I knew at some point I probably would
                                                                  be able to share this with you all, is there’s not one particular item
                                                                  as far as regulation goes, there’s not one thing in particular that
                                                                  if we did away with today that we would be in a much better place
                                                                  tomorrow to provide attainable and affordable housing. It is, I call
                                                                  it death by a thousand cuts.
                                                                     But every one of these adds another layer of cost that we simply
                                                                  just cannot absorb, and that ultimately is going to be passed on to
                                                                  the consumer much like everything else. When our costs go up,
                                                                  that is a direct impact then on the eventual home buyer.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. All right. Thank you.
                                                                     Dr. Rupnick, as a professor of architecture and a leading tech-
                                                                  nical expert in off-site construction and building innovation, you
                                                                  spent years studying how design, manufacturing, regulation inter-
                                                                  act in the housing industry, and through your work with MOD X,
                                                                  and your collaboration with the National Institution of Building
                                                                  Sciences, you’ve exploring ways to modernizing housing construc-
                                                                  tion and reduce regulatory barriers that slow the development. So
                                                                  offsite and modular construction are often viewed as promising so-
                                                                  lutions to improve efficiency, lower costs, and expand housing sup-
                                                                  ply, but they also face significant challenges because of codes, per-
                                                                  mitting, and inspections, et cetera. Standardization. So my ques-
                                                                  tion is, quickly could you walk us through some of the innovations,
                                                                  technologies, and regulatory reforms you are exploring to make the
                                                                  process more scalable and more manageable?
                                                                     Mr. RUPNIK. Thank you, Chairman, for that question. I think
                                                                  that there’s a lot of interesting technologies out there, but the re-
                                                                  ality is, if we look globally, light wood frame construction, an
                                                                  American form of construction, is actually seen in many countries
                                                                  as an innovative form of construction. So I say that there are a lot
                                                                  of innovative technologies. The innovations that we’re excited about
                                                                  are in the code compliance space. And that’s what we’re really ad-
                                                                  vocating for because as Mr. Owens pointed out, there are a lot of
                                                                  regulations. We can’t point to one of them, but what we can point
                                                                  to is the structure of code compliance.
                                                                     So we now have a smaller number of model codes that are then
                                                                  adopted by states and then modified, adopted by counties and
                                                                  modified, and then actually interpreted project by project. The mul-
                                                                  tiplication of what actually a company has to deal with, small or
                                                                  large, is infinitesimal. The investment in streamlining code compli-
                                                                  ance is the single tool that we think would benefit both conven-
                                                                  tional builders and offsite builders. And that is something where
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                                                                  industrialized economy has had the difficult process of saying our
                                                                  code compliance system is fragmented. It doesn’t work. It doesn’t
                                                                  work for conventional, doesn’t work for new technologies, and we
                                                                  need to reform it.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Thank you.
                                                                     I now recognize the Ranking Member for 5 minutes. My time is
                                                                  up.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
                                                                     Ms. DiVito, Housing costs are at the root of the affordability cri-
                                                                  sis, putting significant pressure on family budgets and limiting the
                                                                  ability of people to save money or even meet their basic needs. Can
                                                                  you outline some of the root causes of the housing shortage?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Thank you for the question. For decades, the U.S.
                                                                  has underinvested in housing. Construction never really recovered
                                                                  after the Great Financial Crisis, and since then we’ve only had per-
                                                                  sistent labor and construction shortages. At the same time, as my
                                                                  testimony mentioned, acute price hikes are making it worse as
                                                                  builders and contractors contend with high prices on core construc-
                                                                  tion materials from tariffs. And one of the biggest underlying chal-
                                                                  lenges we face today is the high cost of capital that makes it in-
                                                                  credibly expensive, time-consuming, and overall difficult for devel-
                                                                  opers, especially small firms, to build affordable housing. And this
                                                                  is why I believe that if we want to fix our housing affordability cri-
                                                                  sis, we have to fix our housing financing system.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you.
                                                                     Mr. Owens, the National Association of Builders testified before
                                                                  the Financial Services Committee that uncertainty from tariffs was
                                                                  constraining investment. What impact do Section 232 tariffs on
                                                                  lumber, steel, and aluminum, and kitchen cabinets and finished
                                                                  wood products, as well as potential future 301 tariffs, have on
                                                                  small builders?
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. Thank you very much for the question. Our re-
                                                                  search through our econ team has shown a fairly insignificant bur-
                                                                  den when it comes to tariffs. Somewhere around—when we look at
                                                                  total building cost, everything that goes into the home, we’re esti-
                                                                  mating that about 7 percent of building materials that go into that
                                                                  home are actually imported. So we’re somewhere under 10 percent
                                                                  of our net costs here. So, you know, currently with the administra-
                                                                  tion working toward the American First environment, that’s influ-
                                                                  encing some of our work, but it is fairly minimal.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. And you disagree with the member of the Na-
                                                                  tional Association of Home Builders that tariffs are constraining in-
                                                                  vestment?
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. I don’t think there’s any question that they’re hav-
                                                                  ing some impact.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Okay. Wouldn’t you agree that these tariffs
                                                                  have increased the cost of housing? You’re saying no?
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. Slightly.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Okay.
                                                                     The president has proposed significant cuts to programs at HUD.
                                                                  Ms. DiVito, what are some of these cuts? How do they impact hous-
                                                                  ing affordability?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. That’s right. The president has been trying to
                                                                  eliminate some of the nation’s most flexible housing programs, in-




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                                                                  cluding the Home Investment Partnerships Program and Commu-
                                                                  nity Development Block Grants. In the president’s proposed budget
                                                                  for fiscal year 2027 that would cut funding for the Department of
                                                                  Housing and Urban Development by roughly $11 billion, or 13 per-
                                                                  cent. Cutting this funding means that these communities and busi-
                                                                  nesses that are counting on these programs for the flow of capital
                                                                  won’t get it and may not be able to build as many homes or at
                                                                  rates that families can afford.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Do you agree that if the president and Mem-
                                                                  bers in Congress are serious about addressing housing production,
                                                                  that they will be increasing not decreasing HUD’s housing produc-
                                                                  tion programs?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Yes, ma’am.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. On both sides of the aisle, Ms. DiVito, many
                                                                  of us recognize that NIMBYs have abused land use regulation to
                                                                  slow the construction of new housing starts, but solving that issue
                                                                  is only part of the problem. Why is expanding government options
                                                                  for access to capital so important for new construction? And par-
                                                                  ticularly for small builders.
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I think everybody on the
                                                                  panel agrees that there’s no doubt that zoning restrictions and
                                                                  complex permitting processes have worsened our housing afford-
                                                                  ability crisis. Unfortunately, though, I feel strongly that fixing zon-
                                                                  ing alone will not dissipate the underlying costs of securing financ-
                                                                  ing, which is one of the major drivers of the affordability crisis we
                                                                  see today.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you.
                                                                     Mr. Owens, to that end, your testimony mentioned exploring
                                                                  SBA financing to help get more access to capital for small devel-
                                                                  opers. I am working on a bill to modernize the 504 CDC program
                                                                  to support renovation of mixed-use developments for commercial
                                                                  and residential units. Would this be a provision you will support?
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. I think we’d want to look into that a little bit more,
                                                                  but I think that we’re absolutely in alignment and very hopeful
                                                                  that the Small Business Administration grant process, you know,
                                                                  the lending process will help us out. We represent the small build-
                                                                  ers, and anything that we can do—capital is always an issue for
                                                                  us, not just in mainly the carrying cost of the business more so
                                                                  than just actually financing the land.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you. Oh yeah, my time expired.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The lady’s time is up. She forgets that
                                                                  sometimes.
                                                                     I now recognize Mr. Meuser from the great state of Pennsylvania
                                                                  for 5 minutes.
                                                                     Mr. MEUSER. Thank you, Chairman. Thank you all. Very inter-
                                                                  esting and important discussion and, and hearing here. We all
                                                                  agree construction costs, regulatory delays, outdated zoning con-
                                                                  straints fuel decades of underbuilding. Perhaps as many as 3 to 4
                                                                  million single-family homes we need to build and make available.
                                                                  Small home builders play a vital role, Mr. Owens, as you are clear-
                                                                  ly bringing out, as you did in your testimony. Earlier this week, as
                                                                  has been mentioned, we did pass a very bipartisan amendment to
                                                                  the 21st Century Road to Housing Act that will address many of
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                                                                  new home construction, modernizing HUD programs, allowing
                                                                  banks to more freely deploy capital, and have some restrictions on
                                                                  institutional purchases of single-family homes. Not the building of
                                                                  single-family homes, but the purchasing of them.
                                                                     So Mr. Owens, very intrigued by your testimony. You had some
                                                                  real good ideas in there. I like this lending lots, labor, lumber,
                                                                  laws. I mean, that’s good. Sums things up and helps us focus, I
                                                                  think.
                                                                     The banking, as the Ranking Member was just talking about,
                                                                  you know, our Housing Act allows banks to lend more to finance
                                                                  home construction. This should make a difference. It should double
                                                                  it. It could actually double it according to the intent of the law any-
                                                                  way. And I am intrigued, intrigued about the idea of expanding 7a
                                                                  loans for home construction, maybe double it. Right now it is at $5
                                                                  million. We bring it up to $10 million. I mean, one builder alone,
                                                                  perhaps that could equate to, well, you do the math, 13, maybe 14,
                                                                  15 new homes. Your thoughts on that?
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. Thank you, sir, for the question. You know, for us,
                                                                  access to capital is a must. We absolutely cannot build without
                                                                  that. So when we talk about the possibility, as I said earlier, we’re
                                                                  encouraged by the SBA 7a or 7b program as a way to finance direct
                                                                  costs. I think there are limits, though, to that. What we had seen,
                                                                  for example, phased development would be excluded from that, and
                                                                  actual project-based working capital would be something that I
                                                                  think I understand would have been excluded. I think when we’re
                                                                  looking at the overall landscape of construction financing, larger
                                                                  builders, I think, have more varied access to different capital path-
                                                                  ways. We represent the small volume builders. Our average builder
                                                                  is building 10 or less homes a year.
                                                                     Mr. MEUSER. The ones I know. Yeah, sure.
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. Yeah. So that’s the one thing right now that we’re
                                                                  looking at is what are some means that these smaller builders
                                                                  would have access to capital? And that’s why we sort of are, we’re
                                                                  encouraged by some of your discussions with the SBA on this.
                                                                     Mr. MEUSER. And the SBA would be, I think, more effective,
                                                                  maybe faster, than the HUD programs that exist.
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. It may be.
                                                                     Mr. MEUSER. Okay. So Dr. Rupnick, well, first off yeah, Dr.
                                                                  Rupnick, the 21st Century Road to Housing bill, the regulation
                                                                  from a regulation standpoint, or any aspect of that bill. Could you
                                                                  give me your feedback on that, some of your thoughts?
                                                                     Mr. RUPNIK. I haven’t studied the specifics of it, but I think the
                                                                  issue is that we have not yet really understood, based on the con-
                                                                  versation today, where the cost is, because we’re talking about the
                                                                  cost of regulations. We’re not talking about the structural cost of
                                                                  our code compliance. So that, I think, from what I’ve seen in the
                                                                  bill, and I haven’t spent as much time as I’d like to because it has
                                                                  been changing. All I would caution is that from our research from
                                                                  20 years, it is really code compliance, not the regulations them-
                                                                  selves, that have been a burden in the U.S. Also in Pennsylvania,
                                                                  which has a very strong modular sector. What I don’t see is specific
                                                                  tools for really understanding first and then assessing those. And
                                                                  that’s where I think we really need to understand before we even




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                                                                  allocate funding, really understand the hidden costs of our code
                                                                  compliance regime.
                                                                     Mr. MEUSER. Okay, thank you.
                                                                     Mr. Schaefer, any feedback you can provide on the on our Hous-
                                                                  ing Act?
                                                                     Mr. SCHAEFER. Yeah, certainly the innovation for modular is
                                                                  the huge plus that we see in cutting the red tape which is big for
                                                                  us. If entitlements take 12 to 18 months before you can even build
                                                                  a house, a lot of times in affordable housing projects, by the time
                                                                  you get to the entitled stage, it doesn’t pencil anymore. So we can’t
                                                                  even do the project.
                                                                     Mr. MEUSER. Thank you very much. I yield back, Mr. Chair-
                                                                  man.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back. I now recog-
                                                                  nize Mr. McGarvey from the great state of Kentucky for 5 minutes.
                                                                  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
                                                                     Mr. MCGARVEY. Mr. Owens, in your testimony, you opened up
                                                                  and said there were a shortage of 1.2 million homes in this country.
                                                                  I think that number could be low. But regardless, we’re all agree-
                                                                  ing that we are millions of homes short in this country. And I think
                                                                  this is really important, because one of the things we talk about
                                                                  here in the Small Business Committee is the American dream. The
                                                                  American dream, you can work hard, you can provide for your fam-
                                                                  ily, you can leave the world a little better than you found it, and
                                                                  you can put your kids in a better spot than you were in. And I
                                                                  think owning a home is a foundational cornerstone of this Amer-
                                                                  ican dream. We still know that owning a home is a generational
                                                                  wealth a home builder, it is an asset you can pass on.
                                                                     But when we’re talking about building homes, I want to talk
                                                                  about what people are going through right now when they want to
                                                                  buy a home, because it is far from easy. So I wanted to run the
                                                                  numbers a little bit for you. I am from Louisville, Kentucky, and
                                                                  I was looking at my town, Louisville, Kentucky, and I wanted to
                                                                  find a home that was $250,000. Why? I wanted to make the math
                                                                  easier for me. So I got on Zillow and found immediately 4 homes
                                                                  listed for $250,000, one in Shively, one in Okolona, one in German-
                                                                  town, one just east of J-Town. All have 2 bathrooms. One of them
                                                                  has 2 bedrooms, the other 3 have 3 bedrooms. 3 of them are be-
                                                                  tween 1,200 and 1,400 square feet. One of them was 2,100 square
                                                                  feet, right there in Louisville, Kentucky. $250,000. Okay, so the
                                                                  area median income for Louisville, Kentucky is about $89,000 an-
                                                                  nually for a 4-person household. After taxes, that’s about $65,500.
                                                                  So that shakes out about $5,500 per month that you’re bringing
                                                                  home after taxes. If you want to buy a $250,000 home, let’s pre-
                                                                  tend, and I say pretend because 50 percent of Americans don’t have
                                                                  access to $500 cash. Let’s pretend that you can put $50,000 down
                                                                  on this home. That’s 20 percent. I told you I’d keep the math easy,
                                                                  20 percent.
                                                                     Now, you’re going to look at a $200,000 mortgage. Current inter-
                                                                  est rate, 6.16 percent fixed on a 30-year mortgage. That’s going to
                                                                  cost you $1,400 a month. That is $16,800 per year. Now your 65.5
                                                                  is down to $48,700. Okay, let’s say you’re a young family of 4, you
                                                                  got 2 kids. Childcare. We all know what this looks like. In Louis-
                                                                  ville, Kentucky, the average cost, that’s going to put you at $380




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                                                                  per week, $1,500 per month, $18,000 per year. Now, that is down
                                                                  to $30,700 that you are bringing home after you’ve got your mort-
                                                                  gage, after you’ve got your childcare. Bear with me. We know what
                                                                  grocery prices are doing right now. Just walk through the grocery,
                                                                  walk through a Kroger in Louisville.
                                                                    So I am going to go conservative. I am going to say for a family
                                                                  of 4, you’re spending $250 per week for all 4 of you. That’s $13,000
                                                                  a year. Now you’re down to $17,700. But guess what? We haven’t
                                                                  talked about taking care of these kids yet. Health care, especially
                                                                  with what Trump did to the Affordable Care Act, is now $1,800 per
                                                                  month on average in Louisville, Kentucky. That’s $21,600 per year.
                                                                  Guess what? You are now minus $3,900. That’s your family of 4 in
                                                                  a $250,000 home. You are $3,900 underwater. And what have we
                                                                  not talked about? We haven’t talked about your utilities. You
                                                                  haven’t talked about your water, your cell phone bill, your car pay-
                                                                  ments, your insurance, your gas, which you can just drive—is $4.40
                                                                  when I left Louisville on Bardstown Road this week. You’re $3,900.
                                                                    And guess what? We haven’t even talked about what the actual
                                                                  payment on the home is. In the above scenario, we had a 30-year
                                                                  mortgage. By the end of it, you will have paid $250,000 in interest
                                                                  on that $200,000 loan. So we got to get the affordability under con-
                                                                  trol here. And one of the ideas has been floated, Ms. DiVito, is the
                                                                  idea of a 50-year mortgage. And I want to talk about what impact
                                                                  that has on affordability and what you think about what that
                                                                  would do for families.
                                                                    Ms. DIVITO. Thank you for the question. Yeah, the 50-year
                                                                  mortgage, I think, is a misguided attempt to make it seem like it
                                                                  is providing relief for homebuyers without fixing the underlying
                                                                  problem. On a 50-year repayment plan, families would end up
                                                                  spending significantly more on interest over the lifetime of their
                                                                  loan and build equity much slower than other families. I don’t
                                                                  think that Americans want their debt to last longer. They just
                                                                  want their housing to be more affordable.
                                                                    Mr. MCGARVEY. Yeah, so you’re going to pay significantly more
                                                                  over the cost of 50 years, and even if you’re able to buy something
                                                                  a little bit cheaper up front, we’re still looking at this math. You’re
                                                                  still in a $250,000 $500,000 home, you’re still in the red. And guess
                                                                  what? Even if you think you can buy it for a little bit cheaper up
                                                                  front, look at what the tariff policies are doing right now. You’re
                                                                  looking at building and material prices up 3.5 percent year over
                                                                  year.
                                                                    Mr. Owens, have you seen this in your business, that the cost of
                                                                  lumber and materials right now is rising?
                                                                    Mr. OWENS. We have to a certain extent, but it is more in the
                                                                  metals, I think. As of recent, we’ve seen some stability in the lum-
                                                                  ber prices. Certainly from the, you know, the peak there during
                                                                  COVID Yeah.
                                                                    Mr. MCGARVEY. And this, this rise in cost is making it harder
                                                                  to build homes. It is making it harder to find the American dream
                                                                  on every level. And I think we have to address the affordability cri-
                                                                  sis and start talking about this. Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. Yields back.
                                                                    I now recognize Mr. Cisneros from the great state of California
                                                                  for 5 minutes. Thank you.




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                                                                     Mr. CISNEROS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank you,
                                                                  the Ranking Member, for bringing us together for this important
                                                                  hearing on housing. You know, I represent a district in Southern
                                                                  California in the San Gabriel Valley, and I don’t even know where
                                                                  you can find a house for $250,000 anywhere there. It is just not
                                                                  possible, right? And the rising cost just continues to add, right?
                                                                  And look, I look at it in a very simple way when kind of looking
                                                                  at economics, and it is supply and demand, right? We need a lot
                                                                  more supply in order to help bring down the cost of housing. And
                                                                  it is not just single-family homes people could afford, but also rent-
                                                                  ing rentals, right?
                                                                     And then even as my I think of my grandmother years ago as
                                                                  she started to age, she moved into senior citizen housing that pro-
                                                                  vided opportunities for more people to kind of move in there as
                                                                  well. And look, my district is not that far away from where the
                                                                  Eden fires were last year, which only adds to the shortage of hous-
                                                                  ing there. And so, and now those people are going to need to build,
                                                                  and it is going to cost them even more as insurance companies con-
                                                                  tinue to make higher demands on the way that construction hap-
                                                                  pens and what they can do. And look, there’s been a lot of great
                                                                  innovations there, I think, to kind of help and prevent fires or to
                                                                  help the homes become more stable during those times. But it
                                                                  comes at a cost as well, right? Not only at a cost to the owners of
                                                                  these homes who are going to have to rebuild, but also it is going
                                                                  to be rising insurance costs as well. So we definitely need to help,
                                                                  I believe, our home builders kind of do more. As you say, free up
                                                                  capital so that they can build more.
                                                                     So, Ms. DiVito, I am going to ask you something about that kind
                                                                  of intrigued me in your opening statement there, is Fannie Mae
                                                                  and Freddie Mac providing construction loans to companies. What
                                                                  do we need to do in order to make that happen?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Thank you for the question. That’s right, I think
                                                                  the government-sponsored entities Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
                                                                  should be expanded to allow the, the securitization of construction
                                                                  loans. This will functionally spread risk for investors and free up
                                                                  capital. I think that could be an important way to make sure that
                                                                  already existing private capital out there makes its way to small
                                                                  and emerging homebuilders.
                                                                     Mr. CISNEROS. Okay. So would that take—I guess it would
                                                                  take legislation from us in order to make that happen?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Oh, yes. I apologize.
                                                                     Mr. CISNEROS. Okay. No. All right. I would love to work with
                                                                  you on that and see how we can kind of move forward and really
                                                                  kind of find a way to make that happen.
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Fantastic.
                                                                     Mr. CISNEROS. Great.
                                                                     Mr. Owens, you’re from Ohio and you’re from that area, and I
                                                                  don’t really know what the workforce what it is like over there, but
                                                                  I know what it is in California around homebuilders. And it is an
                                                                  immigrant workforce, right? A lot of people immigrate here to the
                                                                  United States and they get into this industry and they’ve become
                                                                  a very valuable resource to our construction companies out there
                                                                  that are building homes. But unfortunately, the president has as-




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                                                                  serted that these mass deportations are going to help free up jobs,
                                                                  actually, when I think it is actually done the opposite.
                                                                     But what are you hearing from your home builders or the people
                                                                  in your association out west? What impact has these ICE raids and
                                                                  Border Patrol raids had on the workforce there out west, like in
                                                                  California and in other areas across the country?
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. Thank you for the question. You know, the labor
                                                                  shortage existed way before we had the immigration crackdown.
                                                                  We lost, I think, about 1.5 million construction-related jobs during
                                                                  the great recession. So I think it is very localized, how you pointed
                                                                  it out. We see that a little bit. I build in Arizona as well, and we’ve
                                                                  seen this being a little bit more localized, but it has disrupted some
                                                                  of local operations, but we don’t see that headwind, if you will, as
                                                                  a severe constraint right now in housing supply.
                                                                     Mr. CISNEROS. Well, I feel like I am hearing different from
                                                                  some of the home builders I talked to out west, but it definitely is
                                                                  having an impact. Look, I am with you. I, again, I think we need
                                                                  to figure out ways so we can increase housing, whether it is mod-
                                                                  ular housing. And I don’t know how that would kind of really work.
                                                                  Like you said, there are a lot of restrictions, and California does
                                                                  have restrictions, especially around earthquakes and things like
                                                                  that. But would love to meet more with all of you to kind of find
                                                                  out you know, how we can make this work, right? How we can
                                                                  have more access to capital and how we can, you know, make
                                                                  things more available so that we can increase that supply number
                                                                  to help bring down the cost. But with that, I yield back. Thank you.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     I now recognize Mr. Jack from the great state of Georgia for 5
                                                                  minutes.
                                                                     Mr. JACK. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. And if I could,
                                                                  I will start with Mr. Owens. Thank you for your testimony today.
                                                                  Could you walk this committee through the cumulative impact fed-
                                                                  eral regulations, whether environmental, permitting, labor rules,
                                                                  energy codes, or financial reporting requirements, have had on the
                                                                  final cost of a home for an average American family trying to buy
                                                                  their first house?
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. Thank you for the question. As I mentioned earlier,
                                                                  I think it is, it is, it is just, it is an aggregation of a lot of different
                                                                  cost impacts that come in. We could talk from the federal point of
                                                                  view, I think, about the wetlands permitting process. Perhaps
                                                                  when we look at permitting reform, that might be a possibility too
                                                                  that would give us some, some, some relief. When we looked at in-
                                                                  dividual permits versus nationwide permitting, if we stayed on the
                                                                  Clean Water Act and the compensatory, pardon me, that’s a mouth-
                                                                  ful, the compensatory mitigation reform that might be helpful for
                                                                  us.
                                                                     I think again, when we go back in and we look at some of the
                                                                  OSHA regulations that are applied at the federal level, when we
                                                                  look at the heat compliance standard, the reporting, the electronic
                                                                  reporting requirement, again, we represent the smallest core of the,
                                                                  of the home builders. We don’t represent the nation’s largest home
                                                                  builders. That, you know, our builders are very much rooted in this
                                                                  small business environment. And that’s where we look at some of
                                                                  these costs that might be able to be absorbed by the larger build-




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                                                                  ers, particularly in the land development end of things. These are
                                                                  things that are almost prohibitive for many of our smaller builders
                                                                  to do any land development at all right now.
                                                                     Mr. JACK. Your testimony indicated that you estimate, I believe,
                                                                  is it 25 percent of the cost of a home is due to regulations? You
                                                                  want to comment on that a little further?
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. Sure. I think if my numbers are correct, I think
                                                                  through the land development phase it is about 10 percent, and I
                                                                  think we’re a little bit north or more than 13 percent of the cost
                                                                  actually during, during construction. That make up that, that 25
                                                                  percent cost of regulation and fees above sticks and bricks essen-
                                                                  tially. And it is even more than that around 40 percent in the mul-
                                                                  tifamily.
                                                                     Mr. JACK. Thank you. Could you comment, this week the House
                                                                  took action on housing, as you saw, no doubt, a few days ago, actu-
                                                                  ally just yesterday, if I am not mistaken. Could you comment on
                                                                  how that’s going to help Americans achieve that American dream,
                                                                  buying their first home and helping their families grow?
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. Yeah, I very much appreciate that question be-
                                                                  cause that’s something that the effort that Congress has made, I
                                                                  think, is going to go a long way to really supporting what we feel
                                                                  is, you know, completely underserved housing inventory right now.
                                                                  I think one thing, although a little bit controversial, but in the end,
                                                                  again, because we don’t represent institutionalized investment, re-
                                                                  moving the 7-year forced requirement to sell build-to-rent prop-
                                                                  erties was something that is very, very important to us because
                                                                  that’s about 10 percent of the overall addition to the inventory on
                                                                  an annual basis at this point. I think also, too, that the Road to
                                                                  Housing, the House version, increased stronger land use reforms,
                                                                  enhances multifamily finance tools, creates some new, new renova-
                                                                  tion programs, and I think one of the most important things that
                                                                  really helps the small builder contingent out there is it provides
                                                                  some regulatory relief for the community banks to get a little bit
                                                                  more flexibility where we typically go for, for our money to build
                                                                  these homes.
                                                                     Mr. JACK. We often talk in this committee about workforce de-
                                                                  velopment. I am honored to Chair the Subcommittee on Workforce
                                                                  Development, thanks to our Chairman’s appointment of myself in
                                                                  that capacity, and would welcome in these closing 50 seconds you
                                                                  talking about what more Congress can do to help ensure we’ve got
                                                                  a pipeline of skilled employees and folks coming out of trade
                                                                  schools to help build these homes.
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. I’ll be brief. Maybe we can circle back to it. The
                                                                  CONSTRUCTS Act certainly supports career tech schools as a pri-
                                                                  mary alternative to traditional 4-year. We absolutely need your
                                                                  help on a program that started back in the mid-’60s, the DOL Job
                                                                  Corps program that’s administered through the Employment and
                                                                  DOL’s Employment and Training Administration, and probably a
                                                                  couple other ideas.
                                                                     Mr. JACK. Thank you.
                                                                     Well, Mr. Chairman, I appreciate you convening this hearing
                                                                  today. It was timely given everything else that happened in the
                                                                  House this week. And with that, I yield back, sir.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.




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                                                                     I now recognize Mr. Olszewski from the great state of Maryland,
                                                                  for 5 minutes.
                                                                     Mr. OLSZEWSKI. Thanks so much, Chairman Williams. Thank
                                                                  you also to Ranking Member Velázquez, to my colleagues on the
                                                                  Small Business Committee, and to Thank you to our witnesses for
                                                                  being here today.
                                                                     I believe that we all know that tackling the housing crisis in
                                                                  America is a top priority for Members of Congress across the aisle
                                                                  and across this committee. To be clear, America is facing an afford-
                                                                  ability crisis, and America’s affordability crisis begins with housing.
                                                                  If you can’t afford a roof over your head, little else matters. Unfor-
                                                                  tunately, this is a crisis that is exacerbated by President Trump’s
                                                                  stunning ability to so easily turn his back on a promise that he
                                                                  made to lower costs for Americans on day one. President Trump
                                                                  said it himself, quote, ‘‘I don’t want to drive pricing of—I don’t
                                                                  want to drive housing prices down,’’ and quote, ‘‘I don’t think about
                                                                  Americans’ financial situation,’’ when referring to impacts from the
                                                                  still unauthorized war with Iran.
                                                                     Trump’s war of choice has also increased mortgage rates to unat-
                                                                  tainable levels for many Americans who are also grappling with
                                                                  gas prices of $4.50 per gallon or more across the country while in-
                                                                  flation surges to the highest level it is reached in nearly 3 years.
                                                                  As I’ve pointed out in this committee before, 99 percent of Ameri-
                                                                  cans are paying more out of pocket, in some cases much more than
                                                                  they were under Trump before Trump 2.0. I think my colleague Mr.
                                                                  McGarvey did a good job of going through some specifics. I don’t
                                                                  know how anyone can call this a win for America.
                                                                     Unlike the president, lowering costs for my constituents and the
                                                                  American people is my number one priority. When it comes to
                                                                  housing, more than half of Maryland families who rent their homes
                                                                  are cost burdened, which means they spend more than 30 percent
                                                                  or more of their income on rent and utilities. The share of Mary-
                                                                  land households able to afford the median-priced home is also less
                                                                  than half. Alongside these unattainable realities to simply live in
                                                                  a home, the overall cost to build out our housing supply across the
                                                                  country has reached historic highs. The costs of material and labor
                                                                  have increased significantly. I want to thank the National Associa-
                                                                  tion of Home Builders for pointing out the impact of the tariffs,
                                                                  which have alone are projected to cost, raise the cost of imported
                                                                  construction materials by billions of dollars.
                                                                     And before I turn to questions, I’ll just conclude by saying this,
                                                                  we must view housing as a workforce issue. Without enough hous-
                                                                  ing to accommodate job growth, housing prices increase, which
                                                                  pushes out current residents and deters prospective residents, only
                                                                  serving to slow economic growth. We must work to address attain-
                                                                  ability as a holistic problem, and I look forward to discussing what
                                                                  policies can help small homebuilders who need support from Con-
                                                                  gress at this time.
                                                                     Ms. DiVito, I’ll start with you. For much of our history, small
                                                                  builders were able to obtain loans from local financial institutions
                                                                  for homebuilding, but that access to capital has become more con-
                                                                  strained in recent years. How can the U.S. government get more
                                                                  financing in the hands of small builders and contractors?




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                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Thank you for the question. That’s right. Getting
                                                                  more financing into the hands of small builders is vitally important
                                                                  to relieving the crisis. I think the federal government is well posi-
                                                                  tioned to expedite that effort. We discussed, I think, allowing the
                                                                  government-sponsored entities to buy and sell construction loans.
                                                                  There are some existing programs within the Federal Home Loan
                                                                  Bank System that I think could be better utilized. And then finally,
                                                                  filling the gap in financing for needed projects that the private
                                                                  market is reluctant to fill or for which the private market would
                                                                  charge exorbitant, exorbitant returns are, I think, all required
                                                                  tools.
                                                                     Mr. OLSZEWSKI. Thank you.
                                                                     And Mr. Owens, I know that builders can occasionally gain a
                                                                  higher profit by building on a building with more square footage
                                                                  or adding more square footage, which can price out younger first-
                                                                  time homebuyers looking for a starter home. What do you think
                                                                  can be done to encourage the building of smaller, more affordable
                                                                  starter homes and multifamily units to help have a spread of a di-
                                                                  versity of housing options?
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. Again, being proud to represent the nation’s small
                                                                  volume builders. I think that we follow the market. One thing that
                                                                  we have learned, and there’s such little spec inventory, if at all,
                                                                  from our builder contingent. We’ve become a lot more custom build-
                                                                  ers, infill builders. We, you know, I think what we can do is to just
                                                                  simply say we’re going to follow whatever makes sense for our buy-
                                                                  ers because we’re basically building one at a time. And saying that,
                                                                  there is a sensitivity to these overall costs. The worst thing we can
                                                                  do is build something that people can’t afford. We pay a lot of at-
                                                                  tention now, too, to the operating costs of a home. What is it once
                                                                  that house is built to your—I am sorry, an earlier point of how ex-
                                                                  pensive it is to actually maintain that house and to have the
                                                                  monthly utility costs factored into that.
                                                                     So I think it is incumbent upon us, again, we’re, we’re trying to
                                                                  be and always have been part of the fabric of these smaller commu-
                                                                  nities. We’re in every community in America versus the larger of
                                                                  the nation’s builders that, that pretty much handpick and select
                                                                  their market. So we have to be very responsive to not only what
                                                                  the costs are but also to provide the proper product that people can
                                                                  afford.
                                                                     Mr. OLSZEWSKI. Appreciate those responses.
                                                                     Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for having this hearing. With that, I
                                                                  yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentleman yields back.
                                                                     I now recognize Ms. McIver from the great state of New Jersey
                                                                  for 5 minutes.
                                                                     Ms. MCIVER. Thank you so much, Chairman, and thank you to
                                                                  our Ranking Member for holding this hearing today. And thank
                                                                  you to each one of our witnesses for being here today.
                                                                     America’s housing crisis is getting worse by the day. Thirty years
                                                                  ago, the average age of a first-time homebuyer was 28 years old.
                                                                  Today, that age is 40. Homeownership is quickly becoming a far-
                                                                  off dream for our younger generation. Reenters are being hit hard
                                                                  as well. Half of them are spending so much on rent that they have
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                                                                  pushed out of stable, affordable homes, all while the construction
                                                                  of new homes is dwindling. What the nation needs now are more
                                                                  initiatives like those taken in my district in New Jersey’s 10th,
                                                                  where we had nearly 200 new affordable housing units built last
                                                                  year, helping families keep a roof over their heads.
                                                                     The Trump administration’s economic policies have only made
                                                                  these problems worse. Inflation has spiked to the highest level in
                                                                  4 years, driving up costs all around the country. Today, gas is high,
                                                                  grocery prices are high, health insurance is high, prescription
                                                                  prices are high, utility bills are high. The list goes on and on.
                                                                  These price increases leave millions of hardworking Americans
                                                                  with nothing left over for savings after paying bills, ensuring the
                                                                  dream of homeownership remains even further out of reach. If we
                                                                  are serious about closing America’s housing gap, we need policies
                                                                  that actually lower these insane costs and expand the supply of af-
                                                                  fordable homes.
                                                                     Ms. DiVito, thank you for your testimony today. Very enlight-
                                                                  ening. And you talked a little bit about this today. Home buying
                                                                  is at its lowest level since the mid-1990s, while nearly half of the
                                                                  renters spend a third of their paycheck on rent. From your perspec-
                                                                  tive, can you elaborate on what are the biggest drivers behind the
                                                                  worsening of the housing affordability crisis families face today?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Thank you. Yes, in addition to the acute pricing
                                                                  challenges that this committee has covered and is well aware of I
                                                                  think the trend of wealthier homebuyers purchasing larger and
                                                                  larger homes, and therefore especially large home builders being
                                                                  incentivized to build them is a big problem. Today it is increasingly
                                                                  challenging for young working-class families to find, but certainly
                                                                  to afford a home.
                                                                     Ms. MCIVER. Yeah, especially when you’re being beat out by
                                                                  cash prices. That is a big deal. Despite how dire the housing situa-
                                                                  tion is today, the Trump administration is still finding new ways
                                                                  to make it worse, unfortunately. We have learned that the adminis-
                                                                  tration is preparing to privatize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,
                                                                  which are critical to keeping the mortgage rate stable, the mort-
                                                                  gage market stable. How would this privatization affect first-time
                                                                  or low-income homebuyers?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. So since the great financial crisis, Fannie and
                                                                  Freddie have been under government conservatorship. And their
                                                                  sort of operating model and overarching priorities have shifted
                                                                  from just serving shareholders or considering shareholder interests
                                                                  and returning profits to public interest. With the privatization, that
                                                                  could shift. And capital could be restricted, become more expensive,
                                                                  and shareholders would certainly benefit with some pretty sizable
                                                                  windfalls.
                                                                     Ms. MCIVER. Yeah. Another thing too that I am hearing a lot
                                                                  of homeowners talk about is around insurance costs, right? That
                                                                  has been a big, you know, rising cost as well. How are increasing
                                                                  insurance premiums and climate-related risk affecting affordable
                                                                  housing projects and smaller home builders?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Yes, thank you. I mean, climate change is getting
                                                                  significantly worse by the year. I am from Florida and we have suf-
                                                                  fered many hurricanes that have wiped out entire communities,
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                                                                  a time. All of these climate risks just add insurance costs onto the
                                                                  cost of a home as increasingly insurers grow concerned about po-
                                                                  tential payouts and then certainly actually have to pay out more
                                                                  and more as catastrophe hits U.S. communities.
                                                                     Ms. MCIVER. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for that.
                                                                     You know, I appreciate everybody’s comment and, you know, ex-
                                                                  pertise on this. I think we definitely have to look at this issue as
                                                                  something that is a multifaceted, and it needs multifaceted solu-
                                                                  tions. It is not a one-all fix-all. And lastly, I think it is crazy too
                                                                  when you speak to a lot of young people these days who are paying
                                                                  $3,500 for studios but unable to get approved for a mortgage for
                                                                  a home. It is just incredibly crazy. And we need to really take a
                                                                  real strong look at this country and where we’re headed and where
                                                                  we are currently at right now.
                                                                     With that, I yield back, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                     I now recognize Dr. Morrison from the great state of Minnesota
                                                                  for 5 minutes.
                                                                     Ms. MORRISON. Thank you so much, Chairman Williams and
                                                                  Ranking Member Velázquez, for holding this important hearing.
                                                                  And thanks to our witnesses for being here and for your testi-
                                                                  monies.
                                                                     I think we all agree that the cost of housing is too high due to
                                                                  shortage of housing supply. We’ve seen housing prices skyrocket
                                                                  and families are being forced to spend more and more of their in-
                                                                  come paying for a place to live. Both renting and buying are in-
                                                                  creasingly unaffordable, and unfortunately, many of the adminis-
                                                                  tration’s policies are only worsening this affordability crisis. The
                                                                  21st Century Road for Housing Act is an important step toward ad-
                                                                  dressing our affordable housing program, but the administration’s
                                                                  policies continue to create serious headwinds. The Trump tariff
                                                                  policies and rising inflation are causing the cost of building mate-
                                                                  rials to continue to increase, and of course, the terror of Trump’s
                                                                  mass deportation policy is worsening the labor shortage in the con-
                                                                  struction industry.
                                                                     Ms. DiVito, during your testimony, you mentioned that over half
                                                                  of builders reported rising inflation and the cost of building mate-
                                                                  rials are significant problems they faced in 2025. You also high-
                                                                  lighted that small builders are disproportionately impacted by the
                                                                  high price of building materials. Could you elaborate on why the
                                                                  tariffs imposed by the Trump administration hurt small builders
                                                                  more than large builders and put them at a greater disadvantage?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Thank you. Yeah, that’s right. Even before the war
                                                                  in Iran and some of the tariffs went into effect, inflation was per-
                                                                  sistently above the Fed’s 2 percent target. These broad pricing
                                                                  pressures make homebuilding significantly more expensive. Small
                                                                  builders often don’t have the same kind of resources or margins to
                                                                  shift supply chains or stock supplies to defray these costs and end
                                                                  up either absorbing them or reducing production.
                                                                     Ms. MORRISON. So how do small builders navigate the uncer-
                                                                  tainty around these tariff—these ever-changing tariff policies?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. I think we’re seeing that it is very challenging to.
                                                                  There is a lot of uncertainty in obviously the economic policy envi-
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                                                                  about interest rates is driving mortgage rates up and the cost of
                                                                  capital becomes more and more expensive. There have been many
                                                                  vacillations of tariff policies for particular goods, which just creates
                                                                  more disruption and more concern about being able to consistently
                                                                  plan for the future.
                                                                     Ms. MORRISON. Thank you.
                                                                     You know, I have the honor of representing Minnesota’s 3rd Dis-
                                                                  trict, and I’ve been hearing from small business owners from across
                                                                  my district and the greater Twin Cities metro area about the dev-
                                                                  astating impacts of Operation Metro Surge on their businesses,
                                                                  with businesses across the Twin Cities losing over $610 million in
                                                                  revenue because of it. Foot traffic was down, staff were afraid to
                                                                  go to work, and some businesses were forced to close. We have an
                                                                  ongoing labor shortage that we’ve discussed some this morning in
                                                                  the construction industry, with contractors reporting that the
                                                                  shortage of skilled labor is one of their top issues and a leading
                                                                  cause of delays.
                                                                     Ms. DiVito, I am returning to you on this one. How have ICE
                                                                  raids worsened our existing construction labor shortage, and what
                                                                  are the implications for housing affordability?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. That’s right. The ICE raids and mass deportation
                                                                  efforts that the president has made a priority for his administra-
                                                                  tion create a huge shock to the construction labor market that had
                                                                  already been suffering from shortages. Immigrant workers com-
                                                                  prise a large percentage of, of that workforce, especially of the con-
                                                                  struction trades. And ICE raids and threats of deportation are re-
                                                                  ducing their ability to show up. It is having a chilling effect. Many
                                                                  folks are scared to go to work. And then, of course, some are being
                                                                  specifically targeted for deportation. So builders, especially small
                                                                  builders, have reported many incidents of disrupted work, which
                                                                  just adds time delays and a, and a general inability to find and re-
                                                                  tain construction workers.
                                                                     Ms. MORRISON. Thank you. And then lastly, you know, the
                                                                  housing insurance industry is facing substantial pressures. You’re
                                                                  from Florida. From the escalating frequency and severity of ex-
                                                                  treme weather events, largely driven by climate change leading in-
                                                                  surers to either increase premiums or exit high-risk regions alto-
                                                                  gether. How does the, this impact housing costs for Americans and
                                                                  the development of new housing?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, insurers have every
                                                                  right to be concerned about the future of increasing costs, espe-
                                                                  cially as climate change gets worse, in particular in specific states
                                                                  like Florida. So all of that just adds on to ultimate consumer costs
                                                                  as insurers obviously try to hedge against the potential for in-
                                                                  creased claims and consumers have a harder and harder time, I
                                                                  think, actually getting the help they need when a mass event like
                                                                  a fire in Hawaii or a hurricane in Florida damages their commu-
                                                                  nity.
                                                                     Ms. MORRISON. Thank you for that context.
                                                                     And I see that my time has elapsed, so I yield back. Thank you,
                                                                  Mr. Chair.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                     I now recognize Ms. Goodlander from the great state of New
                                                                  Hampshire for 5 minutes.




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                                                                     Ms. GOODLANDER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you
                                                                  to our witnesses for being here today for this really important hear-
                                                                  ing.
                                                                     I am going to jump right into it because, Mr. Owens, I am very
                                                                  grateful for the five-L framework. I think this is very, very useful.
                                                                  My grandfather raised us with a six-P framework; prior planning
                                                                  prevents piss-poor performance. But I am a big fan of the five Ls.
                                                                  And I want to jump right in and on what you’ve designated your
                                                                  fifth L, the cost of laws and regulation. And I really look forward
                                                                  to reading the study from 2021. It was eye-opening for me. When
                                                                  you think about it right now, 65 percent of American households
                                                                  are priced out of a median-priced home in this country. And as you
                                                                  point out in your testimony, a $1,000 increase in home prices would
                                                                  price out another 156,405 households. So this is a genuine crisis.
                                                                  We’ve got to lower costs by increasing supply and by lowering the
                                                                  cost of building. And what you’ve pointed to, you know, as of 2021,
                                                                  more than $93,000 attributable to the cost of development and con-
                                                                  struction.
                                                                     I want to ask you about something that I am not sure has come
                                                                  up in this hearing yet, but the Build America, Buy America provi-
                                                                  sions that were included in the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs
                                                                  Act, I am very supportive of the underlying goals. In practice, what
                                                                  I’ve seen on the ground in New Hampshire is that the way that
                                                                  they’ve been implemented, particularly as it relates to the construc-
                                                                  tion of new residential housing, has created some really, I think,
                                                                  unintended effects and costs and made additional barriers to build-
                                                                  ing quickly.
                                                                     So I wanted to start with you, Mr. Ohms. Can you talk about
                                                                  some of the challenges that your Members have faced with respect
                                                                  to the Build America, Buy America, or BABA compliance?
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. I wish I could. Yeah, I haven’t seen any direct ef-
                                                                  fects in, in my own business. We’ve seen delays being one of the
                                                                  bigger, you know, mainly on when we look at some of what hap-
                                                                  pened with the lumber market, the domestic lumber market over
                                                                  the years where mills closed. We had less mills out there doing the
                                                                  OSB, and then when the when the reinvestment or the ask was,
                                                                  you know, the Build America, Buy America came back into play,
                                                                  it was one of those things. I lived that every day in Flagstaff, Ari-
                                                                  zona, where we’ve had our trees to be harvested marked for the
                                                                  whole 10 years I’ve been out there. And we just can’t get enough
                                                                  workforce in quickly enough, let alone to get those logs to a mill
                                                                  versus even getting the mill back up to speed and producing OSB
                                                                  at maybe a more affordable rate than we’re paying now. So that’s
                                                                  really the only thing that I could comment on at this point.
                                                                     Ms. GOODLANDER. Well, I’ll submit questions for the record.
                                                                  I’d be interested to hear from all of our witnesses on that front.
                                                                  Just to go to the material cost, lumber, as you’ve put it. The costs
                                                                  of—the costs of material costs. You point out in your testimony
                                                                  that In April 2026, we’ve seen costs on the rise in 2026.
                                                                     Ms. DiVito, you, you pointed to some pretty eye-popping numbers
                                                                  when, when we think about just the cost of tariffs on small home
                                                                  builders. Can you speak to that? Because this, of course, is directly
                                                                  in the lane of the United States Congress to end these unconstitu-
                                                                  tional and costly and chaotic tariffs.




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                                                                    Ms. DIVITO. Yes, thank you. Right, I think the president’s poli-
                                                                  cies are, are putting additional pressures on, certainly on families
                                                                  struggling with rising prices, but also on businesses, especially
                                                                  small businesses with tariffs on core construction materials. Re-
                                                                  cently 62 percent of small builders reported that building material
                                                                  prices are a significant problem that they face, and that’s compared
                                                                  to just 25 percent of some of the largest builders. So small busi-
                                                                  nesses are particularly prone, I think, to some of the suffering
                                                                  around tariffs on construction materials.
                                                                    Ms. GOODLANDER. Mr. Schaefer, can you speak to this in your
                                                                  own experience?
                                                                    Mr. SCHAEFER. Yes. For us, tariffs, the impact has been about
                                                                  3 to 5 percent is what we’ve experienced. We’re building 200 to 300
                                                                  homes a year, so we’re in the middle. We can buy in bulk. We’re
                                                                  not a big builder, but we’re not building one or two homes. So the
                                                                  impact has not been dramatic, but about 3 to 5 percent.
                                                                    Ms. GOODLANDER. Well, on thin margins and in the midst of
                                                                  a crisis, every cost increase has a massive impact. I want to thank
                                                                  you all. This is such an important hearing. With that I yield back.
                                                                    Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                    I now recognize Ms. Scholten from the great state of Michigan
                                                                  for 5 minutes.
                                                                    Ms. SCHOLTEN. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. Came up
                                                                  here a little bit sooner than I thought, so I am just pulling my re-
                                                                  marks up here. I am grateful for the opportunity to connect with
                                                                  our witnesses today.
                                                                    And Ms. DiVito, thank you so much for your work and your help
                                                                  in my office.
                                                                    I apologize. Let me just pull these up one quick second. It is
                                                                  okay, they’re not in here. Okay, perfect. Okay, there we go. Sorry
                                                                  about that.
                                                                    There is clearly a need across the country for diversified supply
                                                                  of affordable housing, and our small businesses should have a larg-
                                                                  er role in addressing that challenge. Do we want to pause? Okay.
                                                                  All right. In addressing that challenge, we know that the industry
                                                                  consolidation is an increasing trend across the economy, which puts
                                                                  small businesses at a disadvantage. My bill, the Main Street Com-
                                                                  petes Act, just passed out of this committee yesterday. Thank you
                                                                  for the committee’s support on that. And would prompt the federal
                                                                  government to examine our antitrust laws to find ways for our
                                                                  small to compete in every market.
                                                                    Ms. DiVito, my first question is for you. How does increasing
                                                                  builder consolidation create an unfair playing field for small busi-
                                                                  nesses?
                                                                    Ms. DIVITO. Thank you. And that’s right. I mean, of course,
                                                                  there are still many, many small builders in the U.S., but we have
                                                                  seen more industry consolidation over the last several years. Hous-
                                                                  ing markets are highly localized, and these impacts can look dif-
                                                                  ferent from area to area, but small builders already at a disadvan-
                                                                  tage against larger players and the underlying economic uncer-
                                                                  tainty and pricing pressures are putting a lot of them on the brink.
                                                                  Consolidation is bad for home builders trying to compete, but it’s
                                                                  also bad for home buyers and communities. So I, I commend you
                                                                  for attempting to stop this trend.




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                                                                     Ms. SCHOLTEN. Absolutely. In West Michigan, I consistently
                                                                  hear from constituents not only about the cost of housing, but also
                                                                  the quality of existing housing supply. According to an analysis by
                                                                  Housing Next, there’s approximately 1,454 renter households and
                                                                  1,095 owner households in Ottawa County, in my district, that live
                                                                  in substandard housing conditions. This means that they are living
                                                                  in spaces with issues like overcrowding or lacking basic features
                                                                  like plumbing or kitchens.
                                                                     Ms. DiVito, sticking with you here, your testimony highlights
                                                                  how some of the largest construction companies are facing legal
                                                                  troubles for building low-quality housing. Are there accountability
                                                                  measures that Congress should consider to discourage these compa-
                                                                  nies from cutting corners?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Thank you. Yes. And just this week, there was re-
                                                                  porting that some of the largest homebuilders are increasing their
                                                                  legal costs due to litigation against sub-quality building. Ensuring
                                                                  strong federal enforcement, I think, is crucial. But Congress can
                                                                  also just help promote competition in the homebuilding industry to
                                                                  prevent some of the bad practices that we tend to see when larger
                                                                  builders have a larger share of the market without any competi-
                                                                  tion.
                                                                     Ms. SCHOLTEN. And what do you think in terms of enforcement
                                                                  and follow-up? Where are some of the gaps that you see in making
                                                                  sure that those are consistently enforced?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. That’s a good question. I am not as familiar with
                                                                  what actually happens when the home comes online, but I think
                                                                  making sure that there is clear and consistent federal oversight,
                                                                  state and local requirements. We’ve talked a lot about streamlining
                                                                  some of those codes, which does not need to mean compromising on
                                                                  health and safety standards.
                                                                     Ms. SCHOLTEN. Yeah. I invite you and any of our other panel-
                                                                  ists into the conversation too, just about where we could be helpful
                                                                  there. And you feel free to follow up and submit them for the
                                                                  record after as well. One last one in the last few seconds remain-
                                                                  ing. We know that the President’s tariff policies have created real
                                                                  instability. We’ve been—this is a theme of the morning. We’ve
                                                                  talked about it a lot. For many small businesses, particularly those
                                                                  in the construction industry who rely on critically imported housing
                                                                  materials.
                                                                     Ms. DiVito, again, you mentioned how small firms often do not
                                                                  have the resources to navigate these erratic tariff policies. Can con-
                                                                  firm. How can the Small Business Administration do more to insu-
                                                                  late small businesses from the worst of these impacts?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Thank you. We can certainly provide, I think, more
                                                                  small business resources by returning investment to the agency
                                                                  after it lost significant workforce last year. But ultimately, I believe
                                                                  we need to address the root cause of these acute pricing pressures,
                                                                  which is the tariffs.
                                                                     Ms. SCHOLTEN. Thank you. I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back, and I now
                                                                  move as Chairman to—for one more final question from my side,
                                                                  and recognize myself for 5 minutes.
                                                                     Mr. Schaefer as a leader at the Fading West Development you’ve
                                                                  been at the forefront of using modular construction to deliver hous-




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                                                                  ing in communities facing urgent need, including supporting recov-
                                                                  ery efforts for disaster-impacted residents in Lahaina, Hawaii, as
                                                                  well as providing workforce housing in mountain towns like
                                                                  Breckenridge. So my question is, from your experience deploying
                                                                  modular housing in these very different contexts, could you explain
                                                                  the key advantages of modular construction compared to tradi-
                                                                  tional construction? More broadly, how do you see modular housing
                                                                  helping to address challenges today’s relating to housing afford-
                                                                  ability, speed of delivery, and overall supply constraints in high-
                                                                  need communities?
                                                                     Mr. SCHAEFER. Yes, thank you for the question. It’s speed to
                                                                  market. It takes us 10 days to build a house in the factory. Specifi-
                                                                  cally in Lahaina, we built 85 houses in 2 months. They were
                                                                  shipped, and 2 months later people were moving in after experi-
                                                                  encing complete loss of their homes and community. All of the sub-
                                                                  contractors are in a factory. We are built as a manufacturing
                                                                  group, so we see ourselves as 18 stations. It’s more set up like a
                                                                  car factory, so very high standard of building, high quality, and
                                                                  architecturally interesting homes. And what this allows us to do
                                                                  then is build cheaper and faster. The repetitive motion of doing a
                                                                  3-bedroom, 2-bath house over and over again, means you can speed
                                                                  it up. And that’s really what the affordable housing market is lack-
                                                                  ing right now. What manufacturing does then is it makes them
                                                                  cheaper and faster, which allows us to move folks in very quickly.
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. Good.
                                                                     In my time remaining, Dr. Rupnik, in your testimony you wrote
                                                                  about the need to standardize terminology for industrialized hous-
                                                                  ing and how it impacts small builders. So the question would be,
                                                                  could you elaborate on the benefits of standardized terminology and
                                                                  why it is important to tackle it first?
                                                                     Mr. RUPNIK. We have found through analyzing all of the great
                                                                  work that all the federal agencies do in supporting housing, not
                                                                  just at HUD but at the Department of Transportation, U.S. Depart-
                                                                  ment of Agriculture, that even when we talk about Industrialized,
                                                                  factory-built, modular, manufactured. The agencies themselves do
                                                                  not use consistent terminology, which makes it very difficult for
                                                                  that very well-intended funding to reach small businesses. And
                                                                  that signals to finance and insurance that they don’t know what
                                                                  the heck we’re talking about. It is very difficult to understand
                                                                  many of the barriers that we’re talking about finance and some of
                                                                  the opportunities where this is a less risky process for insurance.
                                                                  We are still not consistent in what they are.
                                                                     And so the United Kingdom, for example, has been very cost-ef-
                                                                  fective in the use of public funds by just saying we’re going to pick
                                                                  a term and we’re going to stick with it, both for their equivalent
                                                                  of subsidies and awards, but also their way of signaling to finance
                                                                  and insurance that we are talking about a particular process.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay. Mr. Schaefer, in the time I have
                                                                  left in your testimony, you mentioned that 41 percent of the con-
                                                                  struction workforce will retire over the next 5 years. In February,
                                                                  the committee heard the testimony from witnesses who spoke
                                                                  about the role career and technical education strengthen the pipe-
                                                                  line for high-demand jobs. So quickly, would you agree that oppor-
                                                                  tunities through CTE, like that of the Boulder Valley School Dis-




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                                                                  trict, could support the next generation of the construction work-
                                                                  force?
                                                                     Mr. SCHAEFER. Absolutely. Thank you for the question. Yes,
                                                                  working with trade schools, working with high schools, working in
                                                                  all university settings is going to be a big part of this because there
                                                                  will not be enough workers. We are already in that position. The
                                                                  good thing about modular is it’s a controlled environment. You can
                                                                  cross-train. You can be a part of our workforce with very little
                                                                  training so we can train you while you are working. And it, hope-
                                                                  fully, will allow for many more jobs for our workforce.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. Okay, thank you very much. My time is
                                                                  up.
                                                                     I now recognize Ranking Member Velázquez from the great state
                                                                  of New York for 5 minutes.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
                                                                     You know, I am really struck by the fact that here we are dis-
                                                                  cussing what can we do in Congress to facilitate increasing the
                                                                  housing supply. I really truly believe that immigration is part of
                                                                  the equation. I don’t think that we will offend the administration
                                                                  by saying that a lot of the workers that are legally here do not
                                                                  show up to work because of the fear of being arrested and sent to
                                                                  a detention center and to any foreign country where they do not
                                                                  belong. Then there is a study that the New York Times wrote an
                                                                  article about in terms of who represents the workforce in the con-
                                                                  struction industry. A lot of Latinos, immigrants. A lot of them, and
                                                                  they are not showing up.
                                                                     Mr. Schaefer, can you talk to us about the main barriers to fi-
                                                                  nancing for modular companies and how can the federal govern-
                                                                  ment fill the gaps?
                                                                     Mr. SCHAEFER. Thank you for your question. The challenge
                                                                  with modular on the financing side is that you have to pay for the
                                                                  house before it is built. It only takes 10 days to build in the factory,
                                                                  but it is the opposite of how typical payments are done in construc-
                                                                  tion. You’re paying a large portion before the home is built. That
                                                                  is a challenge for many banks and, frankly, developers to under-
                                                                  stand. I think personally, that has been one of the problems why
                                                                  modular has not caught on more in our country. It’s going to be
                                                                  education of banks, the federal government, and the state govern-
                                                                  ment, to allow for financing to happen, whether it is a bridge loan,
                                                                  whatever the case may be, to get the financing done so that we can
                                                                  build them. So that has been our biggest challenge.
                                                                     Ms. VELÁZQUEZ. Mr. Rupnik, in your testimony, you mentioned
                                                                  a dormant authority passed by Congress decades ago. What is pre-
                                                                  venting this authority from being used right now?
                                                                     Mr. RUPNIK. The knowledge that it existed. So we very much
                                                                  thank HUD and the PD&R Department for funding us to look at
                                                                  what is out there and what we can use. And we discovered that
                                                                  National Institute of Building Sciences is really designed to help
                                                                  both local and state governments as well as industry to really
                                                                  streamline the regulations. Again, streamline compliance. I want to
                                                                  be specific about that. It is not the regulations themselves, it’s how
                                                                  we meet those regulations. Those are very different things. We’re
                                                                  working with mostly states, many of the states here, and we’re
                                                                  working with industry right now. But going back to the question,




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                                                                  the work and the standardization of award criteria that’s brought
                                                                  up, is that for the federal government, what we would love to see
                                                                  is helping states and industry by adopting a single certification
                                                                  process for housing products, not for factories.
                                                                     And then what other countries have done is to point as many
                                                                  federal programs as possible, simplifying compliance by saying, if
                                                                  you’re certified as a housing product, you qualify for X, Y, and Z,
                                                                  whatever that is. That will bring standardization. It will increase
                                                                  competency. It’ll make your lives easier because we’re not con-
                                                                  stantly looking for new ways to create compliance for new societal
                                                                  issues because we will have new societal issues. Right now we cre-
                                                                  ate new compliance for new issues, which is where the real cost
                                                                  comes from, not from the societal goals that we should have. Aging
                                                                  in place, you know, natural resilience. We want those things, but
                                                                  every time we add one of those, that’s where it is a federal, state,
                                                                  local, and industry piece. And the National Institute of Building
                                                                  Sciences has been set up for that, and we’re trying to resuscitate
                                                                  that. And it was really federally funded research that discovered
                                                                  that needle in a haystack that has allowed us to think through
                                                                  that.
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. Thank you. I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The lady yields back. I now recognize Ms.
                                                                  Goodlander from the great state of New Hampshire for 5 minutes.
                                                                  .
                                                                     Ms. GOODLANDER. Thank you. I appreciate it.
                                                                     I wanted to just come back to financing constraints and the cost
                                                                  of capital and just ask, you know, as I—before I came to Congress,
                                                                  I worked in the Antitrust Division at the Justice Department, and
                                                                  one of the things we see, and many of you pointed out in your testi-
                                                                  mony, the consolidation in the banking industry, the assault on
                                                                  community banks has been a huge barrier and cost driver for in-
                                                                  creasing the supply. The 21st Century Road to Housing Act had
                                                                  some good provisions to strengthen the hand and provide relief to
                                                                  our community banks, but I wanted to ask our witnesses if you
                                                                  have other ideas, anything that we left on the table that we could
                                                                  do to support our community banks. Did we get it all right? That
                                                                  would be a remarkable feat in the history of this Congress. Well,
                                                                  I’ll I would—if Mr. Owens, unless you have something——
                                                                     Mr. OWENS. If I may, please. A little bit out of my wheelhouse
                                                                  here, but we’ll—staff will be happy to get back to you on that. I
                                                                  think we’ve consulted with you as well as the Senate, as much as
                                                                  probably any other entity to get this right. We truly appreciate all
                                                                  your efforts to carry this forward, but I think that’s something
                                                                  that’s more of a heavy lift for, for our staff to get back to you.
                                                                     Ms. GOODLANDER. Great.
                                                                     Ms. DiVito?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Thank you. Yes, I think there’s a really good oppor-
                                                                  tunity to work on follow-up legislation to maximize the effect of
                                                                  Road to Housing. Specifically, I think a bipartisan package that fo-
                                                                  cuses on those financing constraints and leveraging all of the gov-
                                                                  ernment’s potential to resolve some of them.
                                                                     Ms. GOODLANDER. Thank you.
                                                                     I wanted to just come I want to go back for a moment to the
                                                                  homebuyer. And in New Hampshire, we have pioneered and seen




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                                                                  real success in resident-owned communities, which are overwhelm-
                                                                  ingly communities with manufactured homes. This is truly one of
                                                                  the last remaining affordable paths to homeownership, and really
                                                                  look forward to working with you all in making—building on the
                                                                  progress that we made in the bill passed yesterday. But what I am
                                                                  seeing on the ground in New Hampshire, resident-owned commu-
                                                                  nities work really well because it gives people a stake in the deci-
                                                                  sion-making and the stability of their communities. But what we
                                                                  are also seeing is a trend of big corporate investors who are buying
                                                                  up manufactured home communities. What they’re doing is, they’re
                                                                  raising the rents, they are adding junk fees, and they’re often leav-
                                                                  ing residents with nowhere else to go because moving a manufac-
                                                                  tured home, as you know well, is practically impossible. So I want-
                                                                  ed to ask about, you know, these—I think unfortunately a dis-
                                                                  turbing trend in rising abusive practices by corporate owners of
                                                                  these communities, and the ways in which they’re jacking up costs.
                                                                     So I wanted to begin with you, Ms. DiVito. Do you think that
                                                                  there are measures Congress could take, including prohibiting cor-
                                                                  porate ownership of these types of communities?
                                                                     Ms. DIVITO. Thank you. Yes, I think Congress should very much
                                                                  build on, I think, some of the negotiations in the Road to Housing
                                                                  package to make sure that institutional investors in particular and
                                                                  some of the biggest large, large builders are not able to just extract
                                                                  from communities by hiking up rates and rents and tacking on un-
                                                                  necessary fees.
                                                                     Ms. GOODLANDER. Mr. Schaefer, could you just speak to what
                                                                  you’ve seen in your own experience and what you think Congress
                                                                  might be able to do to support resident-owned communities that
                                                                  are stable and affordable?
                                                                     Mr. SCHAEFER. Yeah, thank you. The things that I highlighted
                                                                  were the public-private philanthropic partnerships, and we have
                                                                  seen those be the most successful. When we talk about the word
                                                                  ‘‘affordable and housing,’’ it really shouldn’t even be used in the
                                                                  same sentence because there’s no such thing as affordable housing.
                                                                  If you’re already paying $100,000 before you even start building,
                                                                  it’s almost impossible. So most of the projects we’re involved in in-
                                                                  clude either state funding to bridge that gap or federal funding.
                                                                  Local communities are in such dire need that they’re waiving tap
                                                                  fees, and they’re making the entitlement process quicker so that
                                                                  the cost of the overall house is cheaper to hit that 80 to 120 AMI,
                                                                  which is the area we work in. Thank you.
                                                                     Ms. GOODLANDER. Thank you.
                                                                     Well, thank you all. And with that, I yield back.
                                                                     Chairman WILLIAMS. The gentlelady yields back.
                                                                     And I’d like to thank our witnesses today for their testimony, for
                                                                  being here and for appearing. Without objection, Members have
                                                                  five legislative days to submit additional materials and written
                                                                  questions from the witness to the Chair, which will be forwarded
                                                                  to the witnesses. I’d ask the witnesses to please prompt—or please
                                                                  respond promptly. And if there’s no further business or objection,
                                                                  the committee is adjourned.
                                                                     [Whereupon, at 11:51 a.m., the committee was adjourned.]




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