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The transcript of proceedings on Friday, September 23rd, 2022 before the Honorable Richard D. Bennett in United States v. Medard Ulysse, Criminal No. 21-0054-RDB, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland, filed April 20, 2023. Sean Delaney and Evelyn Cusson of the Office of the United States Attorney appeared for the government and Richard Bardos for the defendant, with FBI and DOL/OIG special agents present. The court opens by noting a second case filed that day, 22-0335, and states that it will determine whether to accept a guilty plea and will also address conditions of release. The transcript was taken by court reporter Christine T. Asif and ends with a word index.

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Filed April 20, 2023 in Medard Ulysse; one of 8 filings from this case.

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 1                   IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                            DISTRICT OF MARYLAND
 2                            NORTHERN DIVISION

 3   UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,     )
                                   )
 4             Plaintiff,          )
          vs.                      )
 5                                 ) CRIMINAL NO.: 21-0054-RDB
     MEDARD ULYSSE,                )
 6                                 )
               Defendant.          )
 7   ______________________________)

 8
                         Transcript of Proceedings
 9                Before the Honorable Richard D. Bennett
                        Friday, September 23rd, 2022
10                          Baltimore, Maryland

11

12   Appearances:

13   For the Plaintiff:

14        Sean Delaney, AUSA
          Evelyn Cusson, AUSA
15        Office of the United States Attorney
          36 S. Charles Street, Fourth Floor
16        Baltimore, Maryland 21201

17   For the Defendant:

18        Richard Bardos, Esquire
          Schulman, Hershfield and Gilden PA
19        1 E. Pratt Street, Suite 904
          Baltimore, Maryland 21202
20

21   Also Present:     Special Agent Jason Bender, FBI
                       Special Agent Adam Martin, DOL/OIG
22

23   Court Reporter:     Christine T. Asif, RPR, FCRR

24

25




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 1   (2:58 p.m.)

 2                             P R O C E E D I N G S

 3                THE COURT:    Good afternoon, everyone.     This is

 4   calling the case of United States versus Medard Ulysse,

 5   criminal number RDB-22 -- I'm sorry 21-054.         And we have a

 6   second case that's been filed now as of today, which is

 7   22-0335.     And we have a shopping list of things to attend to,

 8   as well as going over some procedural postures here.           And I

 9   understand that there may or may not be a guilty plea entered

10   here.   And I will determine whether or not I will accept the

11   guilty plea.     And we'll also be going over conditions of

12   release, because there's been a lot of confusion over this

13   case over the last few days.       And we're going to straighten

14   this case out a little bit.

15                So with that I would note that the masking policies

16   of this court require that masks be worn in all public areas

17   of the courthouse with the exception of the courtrooms, we're

18   under the discretion of the presiding judge masks may be

19   pulled down if those who have been fully vaccinated.           I'm here

20   on the bench with my mask pulled down I have been fully

21   vaccinate and boosted, in fact, received my second booster

22   yesterday.     And I am behind a wall of plexiglass, so I will

23   not be wearing a mask.       I will inquire of the vaccination

24   status of the participants here today.        And you don't have to

25   pull your mask down, but you may if you're addressing the




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 1   court, it's easier for Ms. Asif the court reporter, along with

 2   keeping pace with a quick moving judge up here to also have to

 3   interpret what people are saying behind masks.

 4              So with that if counsel would identified themselves

 5   for the record, please.

 6              MR. DELANEY:     Good afternoon, Your Honor.       Sean

 7   Delaney on behalf of the United States, I am fully vaccinated

 8   and boosted.

 9              THE COURT:     Yes, Mr. Delaney, nice to see you.

10              MR. DELANEY:     And with me at counsel table is the

11   newest member of the public corruption section, AUSA Evelyn

12   Cusson.

13              THE COURT:     Yes, Ms. Cusson, nice to see you.          Well,

14   she's been with the U.S. Attorney's Office for a while.

15              MS. CUSSON:     I have.

16              THE COURT:     But now you're in the fraud section.          So

17   it's nice to see you Ms. Cusson.        Welcome.

18              MS. CUSSON:     Thank you.

19              THE COURT:     Hold on one second here.      And Ms. Cusson

20   will be trying the case with you when the case proceeds to

21   trial, certainly as to any other defendants?

22              MR. DELANEY:     If not Ms. Cusson then AUSA Goo.

23              THE COURT:     I'm sorry?

24              MR. DELANEY:     If not Ms. Cusson then AUSA Christine

25   Goo will be.




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 1               THE COURT:     Okay.   That's fine.   So with that you

 2   all may be seated.       We have with us Jason Bender and Adam

 3   Martin, and they are from what agency, I'm sorry?          I don't see

 4   what agency they're from.

 5               MR. DELANEY:     Thank you, Your Honor, Special Agent

 6   Jason Bender with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and

 7   Special Agent Adam Martin with the Department of Labor, Office

 8   of Inspector General.

 9               THE COURT:     Nice to have both of you here.      Welcome.

10   Welcome to both of you.       And I don't know that they'll be

11   speaking, but have both of you gentlemen been fully

12   vaccinated?

13               MR. BENDER:     I have Your Honor.

14               MR. MARTIN:     Yes Your Honor.

15               THE COURT:     Nice to have you here.    Nice to have you

16   here.    And on behalf of the defendant.

17               MR. BARDOS:     Yes.   Good afternoon, Your Honor.

18   Richard Bardos representing Medard Ulysse who is present to my

19   right.

20               THE COURT:     Yes, Mr. Bardos, nice to see you.      And

21   you are court-appointed; correct?

22               MR. BARDOS:     Yes, sir.

23               THE COURT:     Thank you for taking this appointment.

24               And good afternoon to you, Mr. Ulysse.

25               THE DEFENDANT:     Good afternoon.




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 1              THE COURT:    Sir, are you been fully vaccinated?

 2              THE DEFENDANT:     I am.

 3              THE COURT:    All right.    You don't need to pull your

 4   mask down while speaking, but you can if you want to.             You

 5   don't have to.     Let me just make a note here.       The U.S.

 6   probation officer assigned to this case, I don't know if a

 7   U.S. probation officer is here or not.        Who is the U.S.

 8   probation officer assigned to this case?

 9              MR. BARDOS:    I believe it's Nicole Wonneman, she

10   advises she was not able to be here today.

11              THE COURT:    All right.    Well, that's understandable,

12   we have -- we had scheduled this matter -- docket sheet.                I

13   had the docket sheet up here, I don't know where it is.             Thank

14   you very much Ms. Tyson.      We had scheduled this matter

15   previously for a guilty plea earlier in the week, I believe.

16   And then I received word that the defendant had first we --

17   just so the procedural history is correct, Mr. Bardos, if I'm

18   incorrect correct me.     The matter was scheduled for

19   re-arraignment.     And then I was notified Mr. Ulysse was not

20   able to afford to return here and we went through the process

21   of setting up a Zoom re-arraignment and got his consent to

22   proceed by Zoom.     And indeed, that was paper No. 122 that was

23   filed on September the 19th, Monday of this week.

24              And then I was notified that he was not going to

25   plead guilty by Zoom or any other means.         So then he indicated




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 1   he wanted another attorney, was going to retain another

 2   attorney.    I didn't understand how he couldn't afford to come

 3   here to Baltimore but represent to the Court he was going to

 4   retain a attorney.       So finally the record will reflect that I

 5   ordered that he physically be here in this courthouse at 2:30

 6   today -- we're starting late -- at 2:30, where he was to

 7   appear in front of Magistrate Judge Copperthite for an

 8   attorney inquiry.     And then I was advised in the interim that

 9   he was going to appear here in this courtroom at 2:30 and not

10   before Judge Copperthite because he was going to enter a plea

11   of guilty have.     So have I correctly summarized the procedural

12   posture up to this point?

13               MR. BARDOS:     Yes, sir.

14               THE COURT:     All right.   Mr. Ulysse I'm going to go

15   over it carefully here, because I'm going to go over this case

16   A to Z, your conditions of release, and this case is coming to

17   trial and I'm a little mystified by the procedural history

18   here.   So we'll see if I accept a guilty plea, and we'll see

19   what the conditions of release are, and exactly how we're

20   going to move forward on this case do you understand that.

21               THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, Your Honor.

22               THE COURT:     And I'm going to place you under oath

23   and if you lie or make any misrepresentations to me totally

24   separate from the charges in this case you can be prosecuted

25   for perjury or lying, do you understand that?




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 1              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, Your Honor.

 2              THE COURT:    All right.    So with that let me just go

 3   over the procedural posture, I think where we are, but I'm

 4   just not sure.    First of all, we have a second charge that's

 5   being filed here.     As of an hour ago having been filed.        And

 6   we have a criminal information that my assistant literally

 7   took down to the clerk's office a few minutes ago that charges

 8   the defendant with an additional crime, which is referenced in

 9   the plea agreement letter, which I'm assuming is still

10   operative, it may or may not be, and we'll have to determine

11   that in a minute here.

12              The plea agreement letter, if the plea goes forward

13   today, references not only Count 1 of the current indictment

14   in criminal number RDB-21-0054, but also a separate criminal

15   information, which has been referenced in a letter of July 22.

16   And although there's a reference to the criminal information

17   on July 22, that criminal information has now just been filed

18   within the last half hour here on September the 23rd.           You

19   have a right to a determination of probable cause as to any

20   charge against you, Mr. Ulysse.       Am I pronouncing your name

21   correctly, sir?

22              THE DEFENDANT:     Ulysse, yes, sir.

23              THE COURT:    You have a right to a determination of

24   probable cause, meaning the government can not just charge you

25   with a crime without a determination of probable cause, either




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 1   by way of a grand jury indictment, as was the case in the

 2   indictment in chief here, where members of the community some

 3   23 people determine whether or not there's probable cause to

 4   believe that you committed an offense, or by way of a

 5   preliminary hearing.

 6              And it's my understanding that we're proceeding as

 7   to the second charge by criminal information.          And it is a

 8   one-count criminal information charging you with essentially

 9   wire fraud in connection with unemployment insurance.           And it

10   has been filed now as paper No. 1 in case No. 22-0335.           Have

11   you seen this criminal information Mr. Bardos.

12              MR. BARDOS:    Yes, sir.

13              THE COURT:    Okay.   Have you read -- have you gone

14   over it with him.

15              MR. BARDOS:    Yes, sir.

16              THE COURT:    Let me go over what the charges are with

17   you, Mr. Ulysse.     I think in light of the posture of this case

18   we're going to read it verbatim.       I'm going to read the entire

19   matter to you, to make sure you understand there's no

20   confusion about it, okay?

21              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

22              THE COURT:    It charges that you were a resident of

23   Miami, Florida.     That the unemployment insurance with respect

24   to the state of Maryland was a joint state and federal program

25   that provided monetary benefits to eligible beneficiaries.




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 1   And the unemployment insurance payments were intended to

 2   provide temporary financial assistance to lawful workers who

 3   were unemployed through no fault of their own.          And it is

 4   charged that beginning in or around March of 2020, in response

 5   to the COVID-19 pandemic, several federal programs expanded

 6   the unemployment insurance eligibility and increased

 7   unemployment insurance benefits, including the Pandemic

 8   Unemployment Assistance Program and the Federal Pandemic

 9   Unemployed Compensation and Lost Wages Assistance Program.

10              In Maryland a former employee of a business who has

11   lost his or her job can contact the Maryland Department of

12   Labor and submit a claim for unemployment insurance.           And

13   claims for unemployment insurance benefits are commonly

14   submitted electronically through the use of the internet and

15   internet capable computers or other electronic devices.              If

16   the former employee meets certain requirements, including

17   having received sufficient wages prior to separation they

18   become eligible to receive unemployment insurance benefits.

19              Prior to April of 2021, if the Maryland Department

20   of Labor approved an unemployment insurance claim, Bank of

21   America pursuant to a contract with the Maryland Department of

22   Labor, would create and mail -- could create and mail a Bank

23   of America prepaid Visa debit card with the claimant's name on

24   it.   The claimant based on the -- to the claimant based upon

25   information received from the Maryland Department of Labor.




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 1   And the Maryland Department of Labor would subsequently

 2   authorize the electronic application of uninsurance benefits

 3   to the debit card and continue to do so on a periodic basis if

 4   the claimant continued to apply for benefits.

 5               Now the scheme that's charged here -- and I've

 6   essentially gone verbatim thus far.        The scheme that is

 7   charged here is that from July 2020, through November 2020,

 8   here in the district of Maryland and elsewhere, that you

 9   Mr. Ulysse, Medard Ulysse, devised and executed a scheme to

10   obtain unemployment benefits and other property by means of

11   false and fraudulent pretenses, representations, and promises.

12   And it is alleged that you obtained and attempted to obtain

13   money, merchandise, and other property by submitting false

14   applications in the names of identity theft victims claiming

15   unemployment benefits to which you and others were not

16   entitled.

17               And it is alleged that you, submitted these

18   fraudulent claims for unemployment benefits through the

19   internet to the Maryland Department of Labor, the California

20   Employment Development Department, and other state work force

21   agencies.    These fraudulent applications listed individual

22   victims' names, Social Security numbers, and dates of birth.

23   And the Maryland Department of Labor and other state work

24   force agencies disbursed benefits through debit cards issued

25   in the names of applicants and mailed to addresses provided in




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 1   the applications.

 2              It is further alleged that by completing and

 3   submitting these false applications for benefits in the names

 4   of identity theft victims, that you caused the issuance of

 5   debit cards in the victim's names and the mailing of those

 6   cards to locations in Maryland and elsewhere, which were

 7   accessible to you and others.

 8              And it is further charged, it was part of the scheme

 9   to defraud that between July 2020 and November of 2020, in the

10   District of Maryland and elsewhere, that you Mr. Ulysse,

11   conducted fraudulent transactions through use of debit cards

12   issued in the names of at least six identity theft victims,

13   and funded with unemployment compensation, including Federal

14   Pandemic Unemployment Compensation and Lost Wages Assistance

15   Program compensation -- just look here -- or actually Pandemic

16   un -- Assistance Program is charged there.          Each debit card

17   displayed a victim's name.

18              The unemployment benefits were disbursed by the

19   Maryland Department of Labor and other state workforce

20   agencies as a result of fraudulent claims made in the victim's

21   names by you, Mr. Ulysse, and others.         And it's alleged that

22   you were aware that the real person's identities were being

23   used to file the fraudulent unemployment claims and that the

24   debit cards were used in the names of real persons.

25              You're charged in a one-count criminal information




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 1   with wire fraud, in paragraphs 1 through 7 that I've just read

 2   of this information, I'll incorporated it by reference therein

 3   to paragraph 8, and it is specifically charged that on or

 4   about September 26, 2020, that you, for the purpose of

 5   executing and attempting to execute the scheme to defraud the

 6   Maryland Department of -- well, it says Maryland DLLR,

 7   Maryland Department of Labor and Licensing Regulation.            Right?

 8   I don't see that there's a reference to it earlier in the

 9   criminal information.

10              MR. DELANEY:     Your Honor, I think that's an error.

11   I think that should be Maryland Department of Labor, the DLLR

12   was the predecessor name.

13              THE COURT:     I will amend that here.      We'll have to

14   make sure he initials this.

15              MR. DELANEY:     Thank you, Your Honor.

16              THE COURT:     So it should be the Maryland Department

17   of Labor, of money by means of materially false and fraudulent

18   pretenses, representations, and promises as set forth above,

19   and that you did knowingly transmit and cause to be

20   transmitted in interstate commerce by means of wire

21   communications, certain writing, signs, signals, and sounds,

22   namely an ATM withdrawal from a Bank of America account

23   located in Baltimore, Maryland, in order to fraudulently

24   obtain funds using a Visa prepaid debit card in the name of an

25   individual initials A.C.




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 1              And then there's a forfeiture allegation with

 2   respect to upon a conviction in this matter that the defendant

 3   shall forfeit any property, real or personal, which

 4   constitutes or is derived from proceeds traceable.           And

 5   there's an agreement as to the forfeiture aspect as well.

 6   Mr.   -- one second here.     Mr. Delaney, if you'll come forward

 7   here and initial this for Mr. Barron, the U.S. Attorney, and

 8   then I want Mr. Ulysse to initial it.         And I want Mr. Ulysse

 9   to initial it as well.

10              MR. DELANEY:     Thank you, Your Honor.

11              THE COURT:     The record will reflect that Mr. Bardos

12   has initialed, and he has not yet been appointed in this case,

13   but I'm about to do so.

14              All right.     Thank you Mr. Delaney.

15              MR. DELANEY:     Thank you, Your Honor.

16              THE COURT:     Do you understand the nature of these

17   charges, Mr. Ulysse?

18              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir, I do.

19              THE COURT:     Do you understand that I've also gt a

20   waiver of indictment form here in which you have waived your

21   right to have these charges be by prosecution of grand jury

22   indictment and consent that this case can proceed against you

23   by information; is that correct?

24              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir, it is.

25              THE COURT:     Now, Mr. Bardos is here, he's been court




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 1   appointed to represent you in the underlying indictment, which

 2   is case number 21-0054.      And I'm going to appoint Mr. Bardos

 3   here from our Criminal Justice Act panel to represent you on

 4   this matter as well.

 5              And, Ms. Tyson, if you'll proceed with all the

 6   paperwork on that, whatever's necessary.

 7              I find it's a knowing waiver here.         Are you under

 8   the influence of any drugs or alcoholic beverage or any

 9   medication of any kind, Mr. Ulysse?

10              THE DEFENDANT:     No, sir.

11              THE COURT:     Anything further on this point from the

12   point of view of the government, Mr. Delaney?

13              MR. DELANEY:     No, Your Honor.     I would just ask the

14   question if Your Honor knows, are we required to conduct an

15   arraignment in this situation with the information --

16              THE COURT:     I don't think so because this is an

17   arraignment, and he's apparently going to plead guilty on a

18   re-arraignment to the indictment and arraignment to the

19   information.

20              MR. DELANEY:     Thank you so much, Your Honor.

21              THE COURT:     Thank you so much, Mr. Delaney.

22              So with that, Ms. Tyson, if you'll take the waiver

23   of indictment form and that will be filed.

24              THE CLERK:     Thank you.

25              THE COURT:     I'll keep the indictment up here.        The




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 1   criminal information up here.

 2              Now, I would note that with respect to the original

 3   charge, that you -- paragraph 11 of the plea agreement letter

 4   of some two months ago reflected you reached an agreement with

 5   the government as to the appropriate sentence here.           And I

 6   gather counsel, this is the total sentence as to both cases;

 7   is that right, Mr. Delaney.

 8              MR. DELANEY:     That is correct.

 9              THE COURT:     Correct, Mr. Bardos.

10              MR. BARDOS:     Yes, sir.

11              THE COURT:     All right.    And paragraph 11 of the plea

12   agreement letter, which will be introduced as Government

13   Exhibit 1 if this guilty plea concludes, and if I accept your

14   plea of guilty, and if you do not go to trial, because the

15   trial will not be postponed.       This trial is scheduled for end

16   of October.    And if I don't accept a guilty plea here today,

17   you will go to trial at the end of October, sir.

18              So paragraph 11 specifically references that you've

19   reached an agreement with the government as to the appropriate

20   sentence in this case, which is 48 months incarceration, which

21   is four years incarceration.       That's under Rule 11(c)(1)(C) of

22   the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.         That means, Mr.

23   Ulysse, if I were inclined to sentence you to one day more

24   than a total of 48 months on these two charges, you could

25   withdraw your plea of guilty, do you understand that?




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 1              Yes, Mr. Delaney?

 2              MR. DELANEY:     Your Honor, I'm sorry, a correction.

 3   The (C) plea calls for a range beginning at 48 months and

 4   going all the way to the low end of the guidelines, which will

 5   be significantly higher.

 6              THE COURT:     I'm sorry, I didn't see that, maybe

 7   because we don't have any agreement as to what the low end of

 8   the resulting guideline range is.

 9              MR. DELANEY:     Correct, Your Honor.      The anticipated

10   offense level is either 27, 28 or 29 when both charges are

11   considered.    And Mr. Ulysse could have a criminal history that

12   is, and we'll figure out what probation says, it could be as

13   high as criminal history V, which means we could have a

14   substantially higher sentence than 48 months.

15              THE COURT:     Really the thrust of this is it's only a

16   (C) plea as to the minimum.

17              MR. DELANEY:     Well, and the government is bound not

18   to request higher than the low end of the guidelines range as

19   the Court finds it.

20              THE COURT:     All right.    So this is really not in my

21   opinion really within the total parameters of a Rule

22   11(c)(1)(C) plea.     It's referenced in paragraph 11, but I've

23   not seen this before.      So there are all kind of issues in

24   terms of what the top end might be.        So there's no definition

25   to it.   So as far as I'm concerned Mr. Delaney, all this means




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 1   is that the agreement is he can't be sentenced to less than 48

 2   months.    And I can't conjecture what the top end is going to

 3   be, because there's no definite calculation to what the total

 4   offense level is, there's no definite calculation what the

 5   criminal history is, and there's no top level of any kind at

 6   all.   So this (C) plea should be appropriately referenced -- I

 7   see the wording here, but the wording basically means this in

 8   simple English:     In simple English it means there's an

 9   agreement that your sentence will not be below 48 months, do

10   you understand that.

11               THE DEFENDANT:    Yes, sir, I do.

12               THE COURT:    That means the government may argue for

13   a sentence well above 48 months and Mr. Bardos can argue for

14   any sentence down to 48 months.         Is that a fair summary, Mr.

15   Bardos?

16               MR. BARDOS:    Yes, sir.     I understand the Court's

17   concern.    There is no final answer, but there is a calculation

18   in the plea agreement for how we get to the final answer.              So

19   the Court will determine whether it's 27, 28 or 29, probation

20   will determine what his Criminal History Category is.            That --

21               THE COURT:    Well, no, no, the Court will

22   determine --

23               MR. BARDOS:    I'm sorry.

24               THE COURT:    -- what the criminal history.

25               MR. BARDOS:    Yes, initially probation will, Your




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 1   Honor's going to decide.       And that will give us a guideline

 2   range.    The agreement is that the government will recommend

 3   the low end of whatever that guideline range is.           Now, the

 4   Court, obviously, is not bound by either the guidelines or the

 5   government's recommendation.       So there -- I understand that.

 6   And that would be true in any (c)(1)(C) range.          But here, from

 7   our point of view, there is some calculation that can give us

 8   some idea of what the government's going to recommend.

 9                THE COURT:    I understand.

10                MR. BARDOS:    That's really --

11                THE COURT:    As it relates to Mr. Ulysse, it's very

12   simple, Mr. Bardos, so he can understand it.          So if I don't

13   think he understands it I'm not going to accept the guilty

14   plea.    And then we're going to -- and I'm going the make sure

15   he stays right where he is and we're going to have a trial and

16   we're going to go right through it.        In terms of simple

17   English, not legalese, the (C) plea only means that he

18   understands under no circumstances would this sentence be less

19   than four years.

20                MR. BARDOS:    That's correct.

21                THE COURT:    As to all these other factors and total

22   offense levels and what the Court -- what the probation office

23   does and what the Court determines and criminal history.               And

24   Mr. Delaney has said the Criminal History Category may up as

25   high as V.     I don't know.    There is simply no way to calculate




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 1   what the top end would be.       So in terms of simple language,

 2   under Rule 11(c)(1)(C), Rule 11(c)(1)(C) only has

 3   applicability to the extent that with this guilty plea if I

 4   accept it, under no circumstances can I sentence you to less

 5   than 48 months.     And if I were inclined to do so, the

 6   government could withdraw from the plea agreement.

 7              Do you understand that, Mr. Ulysse?

 8              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

 9              THE COURT:     All right.     I don't think I can make it

10   any more clear then that.      That's all the agreement is.        I

11   have no idea -- If I have no idea what the government's

12   position is going to be, neither do you.         And the government

13   may argue for the top end of the guidelines, and the

14   government may argue for a different Criminal History

15   Category, and that's determined by me, not by the probation

16   office, on the rulings I make.         And I have no idea what the

17   government's going to do in terms of how high they're going to

18   go or recommend, or what the top margin would be.           But I can

19   explain to you that under no circumstances would the sentence

20   be less than 48 months.

21              Do you understand that?

22              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

23              THE COURT:     And Mr. Delaney, I probably need to make

24   sure in light of the nature of the original -- the original

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 1   that members of their family were -- had been arrested and

 2   they needed bail money, and have all those victims been

 3   notified of these proceedings here as to Mr. Ulysse as well as

 4   the trial date coming up as to the other two defendants?

 5              MR. DELANEY:     We have been in touch with victims,

 6   victims have been notified.       It is my understanding that

 7   through the notification system they've been notified of all

 8   relevant events that I can --

 9              THE COURT:     Ms. Forcina or others have been in

10   charge of notifying the victims; is that right?

11              MR. DELANEY:     That's correct.

12              THE COURT:     That's fine.     And with respect to the

13   victim here as to the victims as to the unemployment insurance

14   fraud, obviously, there's been notice to the Maryland State

15   Department of Labor, but has there also been notice to any

16   victims whose identities were used and specifically the

17   individual A.C., with the initials A.C.

18              MR. DELANEY:     I believe that the victims of the

19   unemployment insurance have also been added to our system and

20   I will confirm.

21              THE COURT:     All right.     That's fine.   And that's

22   under the Crime Victims Rights Act, and so those persons have

23   been notified; is that right?

24              MR. DELANEY:     Yes, Your Honor.

25              THE COURT:     All right.     So the proffer here is that




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 1   you're going to be pleading guilty to Count 1 of the

 2   indictment, you're one of three defendants charged in a

 3   seven-count indictment in 21-0054, and you're proffering a

 4   plea of guilty, I understand, in a few moments, to Count 1,

 5   conspiracy to commit mail fraud.        And then you're proffering a

 6   plea of guilty to the criminal information charging you with

 7   mail fraud.    The conspiracy to commit mail fraud is in

 8   violation of 18, United States Code, Section 1349.           And the

 9   criminal information charging you with wire fraud is 18,

10   U.S.C., Section 1343, do you understand that, sir.

11              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes I do, sir.

12              THE COURT:     And I also note that in this plea

13   agreement in Paragraph 7d, the plea agreement dated July 22nd,

14   that there is an open guideline issue as to your role in the

15   offense, which again is a matter of the guideline calculation,

16   which is important in terms of where the guidelines would come

17   out on this.    And I'm going to explain the guidelines to you

18   in a minute, but there is an open guideline calculation.               And

19   that is the reason Mr. Delaney for the possibility that being

20   either total offense level of 26, 27, or 28; correct?

21              MR. DELANEY:     That is exactly --

22              THE COURT:     Are there any other guideline issues

23   that figure into that calculation?

24              MR. DELANEY:     Um --

25              THE COURT:     Is that guideline -- that variance




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 1   between 26, 27, and 28 is dependant upon -- I gather dependant

 2   upon a determination of this defendant's role in the offense

 3   under Section 3B1.1(c) of the advisory guidelines; is that

 4   right?

 5                MR. DELANEY:     Yes, Your Honor.

 6                MR. BARDOS:     Judge?

 7                THE COURT:     Yes.

 8                MR. BARDOS:     I think the anticipated potential

 9   offense level -- final offense level is 27, 28 or 29, not 26,

10   27 and 28.

11                MR. DELANEY:     Your Honor was referring to the

12   counts --

13                MR. BARDOS:     Oh, I'm sorry, are you doing the first

14   one?

15                THE COURT:     I'm sorry, I'm talking about what was in

16   the plea agreement here with respect under to the Paragraph 7d

17   of the plea agreement letter.

18                MR. BARDOS:     I'm sorry, yes.

19                THE COURT:     And it's either two, three, or four

20   levels.     And it's my understanding that that's the basis of

21   some -- let's say it's indefinite as to what the total offense

22   level would be; correct?

23                MR. BARDOS:     Yes, Your Honor.

24                THE COURT:     And I have a copy of the plea agreement

25   letter, but then I've been given another copy, have there been




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 1   changes since the July 22nd to the letter, Mr. Delaney?

 2                MR. DELANEY:     No, Your Honor.     I do not believe

 3   there have.

 4                THE COURT:     All right.   And Ms. Tyson has the

 5   original of that letter down at the clerk's desk, correct,

 6   Ms. Tyson?

 7                THE CLERK:     Yes, that's correct.

 8                THE COURT:     So with that I think that we've gone

 9   over the procedural posture here, the notice to the victims

10   the waiver of indictment as to criminal information.           And I

11   think we're now ready to place you under oath.

12                And as I indicated to you, Mr. Ulysse, this is very

13   important when you take this oath.         We have a lot of moving

14   parts in this case.       As of 25 minutes ago we still had moving

15   parts in this case.       And I was very concerned about you even

16   appearing here today.        And we're going to go over your

17   conditions of release, so this is very important, because

18   you're been placed under oath under penalties of perjury.              Do

19   you understand?

20                THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

21                THE COURT:     And if it was determined that you lied

22   before me, totally apart from the charges here, the government

23   could prosecute you for perjury or making false statements, do

24   you understand that?

25                THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.




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 1              THE COURT:     All right.    So with that, Ms. Tyson, you

 2   may administer the oath to the defendant.

 3              THE CLERK:     Please raise your right hand.

 4              (Defendant sworn.)

 5              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do.

 6              THE CLERK:     Thank you.    You may lower your hand.

 7   Please state your full name for the record.

 8              THE DEFENDANT:     Medard Ulysse.

 9              THE CLERK:     Mr. Ulysse, what is your age?

10              THE DEFENDANT:     38.

11              THE CLERK:     What year were you born, just the year?

12              THE DEFENDANT:     1984.

13              THE CLERK:     Mr. Ulysse, you've been charged with

14   Count 1 of the indictment in case 21-54-RDB, how do you wish

15   to plead to that count?

16              THE DEFENDANT:     I plead guilty.

17              THE CLERK:     And in case RDB-22-0335, you've been

18   charged with an information, how do you wish to plead to that

19   count?

20              THE DEFENDANT:     I plead guilty.

21              THE CLERK:     Thank you.

22              THE COURT:     Thank you, Ms. Tyson.

23              THE CLERK:     You're welcome.

24              THE COURT:     So the plea is guilty to Count 1 of the

25   indictment and the one-count criminal information.           And




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 1   consistent with that, what is set forth in the plea agreement,

 2   the government will be dismissing counts 2 through 7 when he

 3   returns here for sentencing.

 4              Correct, Mr. Delaney?

 5              MR. DELANEY:     Yes, Your Honor.     Thank you.

 6              THE COURT:     You understand that, Mr. Ulysse, the

 7   other counts will be dismissed against you, do you understand

 8   that?

 9              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes I do, sir.

10              THE COURT:     Sir, do you understand that you're now

11   under oath?

12              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do.

13              THE COURT:     And do you understand that if you would

14   answer any of my questions falsely, as I've already mentioned

15   several times, you could be prosecuted in another prosecution

16   for perjury or for making false statements?

17              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do.

18              THE COURT:     So it's very important you answer my

19   questions truthfully.      If you don't understand a question,

20   we'll stop and you talk to your lawyer, Mr. Bardos, who's very

21   well known to the Court and a prominent member of the bar of

22   this Court and he's been appointed to represent you here.

23              How far did you get in school, sir?

24              THE DEFENDANT:     Second year of college.

25              THE COURT:     You obviously then can read and write




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 1   the English language?

 2              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir, I can.

 3              THE COURT:     Have you been treated recently for any

 4   mental illness or addiction to narcotic drugs of any kind?

 5              THE DEFENDANT:     No, I haven't.

 6              THE COURT:     Are you currently under the influence of

 7   any drugs or medication or alcoholic beverage of any kind?

 8              THE DEFENDANT:     No, I'm not.

 9              THE COURT:     And is there medication that you

10   normally take which you did not take today?

11              THE DEFENDANT:     No.

12              THE COURT:     Mr. Bardos, are you satisfied that your

13   client is competent to proceed with the guilty plea here as to

14   the Count 1 of the indictment as well as the criminal

15   information?

16              MR. BARDOS:     Yes, sir.

17              THE COURT:     Have you received a copy of the

18   indictment as well as the criminal information, that is the

19   written charges made against you, Mr. Ulysse?

20              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I have, sir.

21              THE COURT:     And have you fully discussed these

22   charges with your attorney, Mr. Bardos?

23              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I have.

24              THE COURT:     Have you discussed the whole situation

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 1   witnesses, and the possibility of a trial and even an appeal

 2   if you were found guilty by a jury on either the criminal

 3   information or Count 1 of the indictment?

 4                THE DEFENDANT:   Yes, I have.

 5                THE COURT:   Are you fully satisfied with Mr. Bardos

 6   and his representation and the advice which he's given you?

 7                THE DEFENDANT:   Yes, I am.

 8                THE COURT:   I need to inquire as to that because

 9   there was some indication that you wanted to retain your own

10   lawyer, not really sure -- I didn't understand how you were

11   saying you couldn't appear here because you couldn't afford to

12   come yet, and yet you were going to retain your own lawyer.

13   Was any thought of retaining your own lawyer as a result of

14   any dissatisfaction that you had with Mr. Bardos?

15                THE DEFENDANT:   I was satisfied with Mr. Bardos.         It

16   was really the day before I was supposed to take the guilty

17   plea I was on the phone with like my mother, members of my

18   family, and they were just, you know, they were just saying

19   no, what do you mean -- like we have to get you a lawyer,

20   we'll just get you a new lawyer.        I'm like I needed a lawyer

21   last year.     They're like, well, we have to sell some property.

22   We have some stuff in Haiti.       So that was it.     It wasn't like

23   I have the money to get a new lawyer right now, I was

24   basically trying to see if I could get more time to retain a

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 1   with Mr. Bardos, everything he's told me.

 2              THE COURT:     Well, take your hands out of your

 3   pockets, if you would, please?

 4              THE DEFENDANT:     I'm sorry.

 5              THE COURT:     The indictment was returned in this case

 6   on March 4th of 2021, a year and a half ago.          And you appeared

 7   here in the Court, your initial appearance was before

 8   Magistrate Judge Copperthite on March the 26th of 2021.            And

 9   there was a temporary detention of you.         And then there was a

10   notice of Mr. Bardos coming in as court-appointed counsel on

11   March the 30th.     And there was a detention hearing held before

12   then magistrate Judge Boardman, who's now a district judge, on

13   March the 31st of 20 21.      And you -- was he held in custody

14   for a period of time, Mr. Bardos?        I can't tell from the

15   docket sheet.

16              MR. BARDOS:     Yes, he was, Your Honor, until

17   September 10th, I believe, of 2021.

18              THE COURT:     All right.    So he was held in custody

19   from -- because you get credit for time served in federal

20   custody ultimately on the sentence that will be imposed.               You

21   basically appeared here on March the 26th, 2021.           And he was

22   in custody until when, in federal custody until when, Mr.

23   Bardos?

24              MR. BARDOS:     I believe it was September 10th,

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 1               THE COURT:    September 20, '21.

 2               MR. BARDOS:    He turned himself in March, he was held

 3   until September.     And then after litigated motion for

 4   reconsideration he was released.

 5               THE COURT:    So he was released on September 20?

 6               MR. BARDOS:    September 10th, I believe, 2021.

 7               THE COURT:    September 10th.     Take a look here.

 8   There was a motion for reconsideration of his detention at a

 9   virtual hearing that was conducted before Magistrate Judge

10   Coulson.    And then conditions of release were set on September

11   10th, he's been on release ever since; is that right?

12               MR. BARDOS:    That's correct.

13               THE COURT:    So he's been on release since September

14   10th from Magistrate Judge Coulson, because that's going to be

15   important because I'm going to go over what these conditions

16   of release are.     Because it's a lightly different position now

17   that he's pleading guilty on this.

18               MR. BARDOS:    He's also --

19               THE COURT:    Is there anything you've asked Mr.

20   Bardos to do which he's not done Mr. Ulysse?

21               THE DEFENDANT:    No, Mr. Bardos has been --

22               THE COURT:    I beg your pardon?

23               THE DEFENDANT:    No, no Your Honor.

24               THE COURT:    Are you fully satisfied with his

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 1              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I am, sir.

 2              THE COURT:     The Court has been a advised there's a

 3   plea agreement in this case, which I've referenced, which has

 4   been set forth in a letter July 22 of this year, from

 5   Assistant U.S. Attorney Sean Delaney to your attorney, Richard

 6   Bardos.   The original of that letter is at the clerk's desk,

 7   Ms. Tyson's desk.

 8              Mr. Bardos, if you'll retrieve that from Ms. Tyson,

 9   so I can go over it with Mr. Mr. Ulysse.

10              Looking there at a copy of the original, rather, of

11   that plea agreement letter and any supplements or attachments

12   thereto, Mr. Ulysse, is that your signature there on page 11?

13              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, it is, sir.

14              THE COURT:     And with respect to any attachments

15   thereto, or supplements thereto, is that your signature there?

16              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, it is, sir.

17              THE COURT:     On page 16?

18              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, it is sir.

19              THE COURT:     And did you have occasion to review and

20   discuss this plea agreement with Mr. Bardos before you signed

21   it in those two places?

22              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I have.

23              THE COURT:     And this is the same agreement which

24   you've signed; is that correct?

25              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.




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 1              THE COURT:     Has anyone made any other promises or

 2   assurances to you in an effort to induce you to plead guilty

 3   in this case, other than what is set forth in the plea

 4   agreement letter?

 5              THE DEFENDANT:     No, sir.

 6              THE COURT:     And Mr. Bardos, are you satisfied that

 7   this plea agreement letter with any attachments sets forth the

 8   complete agreement that your client has with the government.

 9              MR. BARDOS:     Yes, sir.

10              THE COURT:     And Mr. Ulysse, are you satisfied that

11   this plea agreement letter with any attachments thereto sets

12   forth the complete agreement you have with the government?

13              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

14              THE COURT:     With respect to both of these charges?

15              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

16              THE COURT:     All right.     Mr. Bardos, if you'll return

17   that plea agreement letter to Ms. Tyson.         And that will be

18   introduced as Government Exhibit No. 1 for purposes of these

19   proceedings.    And I gather that will be placed under seal; is

20   that correct, Mr. Delaney?

21              MR. DELANEY:     Yes, Your Honor.

22              THE COURT:     Correct, Mr. Bardos, under seal.

23              MR. BARDOS:     The --

24              THE COURT:     You want this plea agreement to be under

25   seal?




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 1                MR. DELANEY:     Actually, Your Honor, it does not need

 2   to be placed under seal.        Thank you.

 3                THE COURT:     All right.   That's fine.   You want it

 4   under seal, Mr. Bardos?

 5                MR. BARDOS:     The sealed supplement, yes.     The main

 6   document, no.

 7                THE COURT:     All right.   Okay.   Then one portion will

 8   be placed under seal one will not be placed under seal.

 9                Now do you understand looking at that plea agreement

10   letter, Mr. Ulysse, and I think Mr. Bardos has a copy of it.

11   In paragraph 23 of that plea agreement letter, it provides

12   that the Court is not a party to the agreement.          I'll

13   certainly abide by the fact that the sentence cannot go below

14   48 months.     But I'm not a party to it in any way other than

15   that -- as I've indicated to you, the government assured

16   itself that the sentence can not be below 48 months.            I have

17   no knowledge at this time how high the sentence could

18   potentially go, but under no circumstances could it go below

19   48 months.     And I'll accept your guilty plea under those

20   terms, but I'm in the a party to the agreement, do you

21   understand that?

22                THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

23                THE COURT:     I haven't signed this anywhere, you

24   understand?

25                THE DEFENDANT:     I understand, sir.




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 1              THE COURT:     And I'm indicating for the record that I

 2   have -- there's no commitment under this agreement as to what

 3   the top end would be and where I'm going to sentence you,

 4   other than the fact that there's a agreement that you will not

 5   be sentenced to less than four years.

 6              Has anybody tried to force you or threaten you to

 7   plead guilty in this case?

 8              THE DEFENDANT:     No, sir.

 9              THE COURT:     Are you pleading guilty on your own

10   freely because you're in fact guilty of the offenses as

11   charged?

12              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

13              THE COURT:     First of all, as to conspiracy to commit

14   mail fraud.

15              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

16              THE COURT:     The elements of that are that on or

17   about the dates set forth in the indictment, which states from

18   on or about January 2018 through in or about November of 2019,

19   these are the elements set forth in paragraph 2 of the plea

20   agreement letter, that you and at least one other person

21   entered into an unlawful agreement, and that the purposes of

22   that agreement was to knowingly execute or attempt to execute

23   a scheme and artifice to defraud, or to obtain money by means

24   of materially false and fraudulent pretenses, representations,

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 1   charged in the indictment, and that you knowingly and

 2   willfully became a member of that conspiracy, do you

 3   understand the elements of that offense?

 4              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

 5              THE COURT:     And furthermore, the elements as to wire

 6   fraud charged in the criminal information are that there was a

 7   scheme and artifice to defraud and obtain money by means of

 8   materially false pretenses, and that on or about the date

 9   charged in the criminal information that I have read to you,

10   specifically -- specifically from July 2020 through November

11   2020, that you committed wire fraud, and that the elements of

12   that offense are that not only was there a scheme and artifice

13   to defraud, but that you knowingly and willfully participated

14   in the scheme and caused the use of interstate wires to

15   enforce that scheme.      Do you understand the basic elements of

16   this the offense to which you're pleading guilty?

17              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

18              THE COURT:     And they are both felony offenses, do

19   you understand that?

20              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

21              THE COURT:     And you're adjudicated guilty of those

22   offenses here today you'll lose certain valuable civil rights.

23   You lose the right to have a firearm.         You lose the right to

24   vote.   You lose the right to have ammunition, do you

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 1              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

 2              THE COURT:     Is your client an American citizen, Mr.

 3   Bardos?

 4              MR. BARDOS:     Yes, sir.

 5              THE COURT:     So you are -- he's a naturalized

 6   American citizen?

 7              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

 8              THE COURT:     He's a regular American citizen, but you

 9   might lose other rights as a American citizen to keep certain

10   licenses or permits or jobs or be able to keep public benefits

11   such as public housing loans, Section 8 loans, for example.

12   You lose the right to all of those federal benefits because of

13   your felony convictions here if I accept these pleas of

14   guilty.   Do you understand that?

15              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

16              THE COURT:     And if you've been convicted of another

17   crime in the past, and you were on parole or probation for any

18   of those other offenses, you could face the possibility of

19   violation of parole or probation, because of your conviction

20   here, do you understand that?

21              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do.

22              THE COURT:     And furthermore, if you were convicted

23   of another crime in the future, and you were before another

24   judge in another courtroom, as a result of your conviction

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 1   because of your conviction here, do you understand that,

 2   Mr. Ulysse?

 3              THE DEFENDANT:        Yes, I do, sir.

 4              THE COURT:     And you also face the matter of

 5   restitution and forfeiture of certain property as to the

 6   forfeiture of certain property that's set forth in paragraphs

 7   14 through 18, and also at paragraph 19 of the plea agreement

 8   notes that you stipulate as to the abandonment of certain

 9   property as listed in paragraph 19.          Do you understand that?

10              THE DEFENDANT:        Yes, sir.

11              THE COURT:     And those items include computer

12   equipment; is that right, Mr. Delaney?

13              MR. DELANEY:     Yes, Your Honor.

14              THE COURT:     All right.

15              MR. DELANEY:     As well as a firearm and ammunition.

16              THE COURT:     Yes.     Yes.   As was noted in paragraph 3

17   of the plea agreement letter you understand that the maximum

18   sentences for these offenses are as to Count 1 the conspiracy

19   charged in the indictment, a maximum penalty of 20 years

20   imprisonment and three years of supervised release and a fine

21   of $250,000, or twice the gross loss as a result of the fraud.

22   And as to Count 2, the criminal information charging you with

23   the wire fraud, it is also the same maximum penalties of 20

24   years imprisonment, three years of supervised release, and a

25   fine of $250,000.     Do you understand that, sir?




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 1               THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

 2               THE COURT:     And there's a special assessment of each

 3   count in the amount of $100 that's automatically required by

 4   statute.    Do you understand that?

 5               THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do.

 6               THE COURT:     That will just be deducted from your

 7   prison wages.

 8               I would also note on the matter of restitution, this

 9   Court may enter an order of restitution.         And Paragraph 13 of

10   the plea agreement letter specifically notes that the

11   restitution that for which you may be jointly and severally

12   responsible with any others could go up to as high as $2.7

13   million as to the conspiracy charge or $2,703,520 to be exact.

14   And as to the wire fraud charge the restitution could go up to

15   $618,767.    Do you understand that, sir?

16               THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

17               THE COURT:     All right.   And you'll be ordered to pay

18   so much per month.       You, obviously, during a period of

19   supervised release will not be able to pay all of that and it

20   will become an issue with the Financial Litigation Unit of the

21   U.S. Attorney's Office with respect to payments of

22   restitution, do you understand that?

23               THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

24               THE COURT:     And any payment of restitution would be

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 1   offenses as well, meaning that they may or may not share in

 2   the payment of it if they were to be convicted do you

 3   understand that?

 4              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do.

 5              THE COURT:     Have I correctly summarized the

 6   restitution posture from the point of view of the government,

 7   Mr. Delaney?

 8              MR. DELANEY:     Yes, Your Honor.     Thank you.

 9              THE COURT:     Mr. Bardos, from your point of view?

10              MR. BARDOS:     Yes, sir.

11              THE COURT:     Do you understand, I mentioned

12   supervised release, Mr. Ulysse, supervised release involves

13   your compliance with certain conditions set by the Court, and

14   monitored by the probation office.         Do you understand that if

15   you were to violate conditions of supervised release after a

16   prison sentence, you could be sent back to prison without any

17   credit for the time already served?

18              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

19              THE COURT:     It would be a totally separate matter,

20   do you understand that?

21              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do.

22              THE COURT:     Are you satisfied then, Mr. Bardos, that

23   Mr. Ulysse understands all the possible consequences of his

24   guilty pleas here today.

25              MR. BARDOS:     Yes, Your Honor.




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 1              THE COURT:     And are you satisfied, Mr. Ulysse, that

 2   you understand all the possibility consequences of your plea

 3   of guilty here today?

 4              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

 5              THE COURT:     Let me just go over the process here in

 6   federal court with respect to sentencing.         And in the case of

 7   a partial (C) plea here, that's how I view this, it's also

 8   important for me to make sure you understand that the basis of

 9   my agreeing that the sentence would not be below 48 months

10   also relates to an analysis that I would conduct under the

11   guidance of two Supreme Court opinions in the last 17 and a

12   half years.    The Federal Sentencing Guidelines are referenced

13   in paragraph 5, I think -- I'm sorry paragraph 6 of your plea

14   agreement letter.

15              And as to those guidelines, the United States

16   Supreme Court issued an opinion in January of 2005, in a case

17   of United States v. Booker, in which the Supreme Court of the

18   United States upheld the constitutionality of those

19   guidelines, but did so with the deletion of two particular

20   sections of the guidelines, which had previously rendered the

21   guidelines mandatory.      The Supreme Court noted with the

22   deletion of those mandatory provisions, those guidelines were

23   constitutional, but from that point forward in January of

24   2005, the Federal Sentencing Guidelines were rendered

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 1   context.   Meaning that federal judges, while not bound to

 2   apply the guidelines, must still consider them when taking --

 3   take them into account when imposing a sentence, subject to

 4   review by courts of appeals for unreasonableness.           Here there

 5   is essentially a waiver of any sentence, as long as it's not

 6   below 48 months here by the parties.

 7              The other factors are to be considered by me under

 8   Section 3553 of Title 18, which is referenced there in

 9   paragraph 6 of your plea agreement letter.          Those other

10   factors include your personal history and characteristics, the

11   nature and circumstances of the offense, sentences imposed

12   upon similarly situated individuals for these types of

13   fraudulent crimes.      All those factors would be taken into

14   account by me when I impose a sentence when you return here

15   for sentencing.     Do you understand that?

16              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

17              THE COURT:     I said there were two key opinions, and

18   the second of those two opinions, the case of Gall versus the

19   United States decided in December of 2007, about three years

20   after the Booker case, the Supreme Court specifically noted

21   that federal judges should not presume that the guideline

22   range is reasonable, but it is a starting point in a multistep

23   process, pursuant to which first there's a calculation of a

24   guideline range and then there's a consideration of other

25   factors apart from the guidelines.        The goal being to impose a




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 1   sentence which is sufficient but not greater than necessary to

 2   achieve the goals of sentencing.

 3              So that would be the process here.         There will be a

 4   calculation of the guideline range.        And there's some

 5   guideline issues that I have to address, which is why we spent

 6   time on that before we started today.         Because even once the

 7   guideline calculation is determined, I'm not bound by it.              And

 8   I'll consider other factors as well.        Do you understand that?

 9              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do.

10              THE COURT:     And paragraph 7 of the plea agreement

11   notes certain stipulations, there's certain matters that

12   remain under dispute.      But essentially with the calculations

13   here, as noted by paragraphs -- by paragraph 7 of the plea

14   agreement letter, it's anticipated that the resulting level

15   for the conspiracy charge would be either a total offense

16   level of 26, 27, or 28.      And for the wire fraud charge a

17   matter of 20.    And it remains to be seen, ultimately, in terms

18   of how I calculate that out.       That's what's anticipated, do

19   you understand that?

20              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

21              THE COURT:     And you have stipulated in paragraph 11

22   that the sentence here will not be less than 48 months and it

23   may go higher, obviously, in terms of the guideline

24   calculation, that remains to be seen what it will be.            Do you

25   understand that?




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 1              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

 2              THE COURT:     And paragraph 9 notes there is no

 3   agreement as to your criminal history and that's another

 4   factor I'll be determining after reviewing the presentence

 5   report from the probation office.         And that will be important

 6   as well.

 7              And pursuant to paragraph 10 of the plea agreement,

 8   with respect to the guidelines there are no other guideline

 9   issues in dispute apparently; is that correct, Mr. Delaney?

10              MR. DELANEY:     Yes, Your Honor.     Thank you.

11              THE COURT:     Correct, Mr. Bardos?

12              MR. BARDOS:     Yes, sir.

13              THE COURT:     All right.    As I've said, at the time of

14   sentencing, in paragraph 11 the government will recommend a

15   sentence somewhere above 48 months, do you understand that?

16              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

17              THE COURT:     Now, do you understand that as a result

18   of your guilty plea here this afternoon that you're not

19   allowed to own or possess or use a firearm, do you understand

20   that?

21              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do.

22              THE COURT:     That would be a separate violation if

23   you were found with a firearm, do you understand that?

24              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

25              THE COURT:     Now I'll not be able to determine the




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 1   advisory guideline range in this case, Mr. Ulysse, until a

 2   presentence investigation report has been prepared by the U.S.

 3   probation officer assigned to this case.         And we believe it

 4   will be Nicole Wonneman.      She will prepare a presentence

 5   report and she'll give a copy to Mr. Delaney and Ms. Cusson or

 6   Ms. Goo.   And they will review it, note any objections to it.

 7   She'll give a copy to Mr. Bardos.         He'll review it with you

 8   and he either will or will not make any objections.           And

 9   ultimately that report will either be changed or not changed

10   and it will come to me.      Do you understand that?

11              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

12              THE COURT:     So the sentence imposed could be

13   different from any exact estimate given by Mr. Bardos, because

14   he doesn't have any -- I have no idea what I'm going to do in

15   terms of it being above 48 months, where, because I have to

16   see the report first.      Do you understand that?

17              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

18              THE COURT:     Do you also understand, Mr. Ulysse, that

19   parole has been abolished in the federal system?           Let me

20   explain that to you.      Let's say the sentence were -- it can't

21   be below 48 months, let's say if the sentence was 60 months,

22   five years.    In the state system under normal process under

23   state of Maryland criminal laws you might be subject to a

24   potential sentence of just one-third of that, maybe 20 months,

25   maybe year and a half, less than two years, and then on parole




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 1   for the balance of it.        That's not the way the federal system

 2   works.    Do you understand that?

 3                THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do.

 4                THE COURT:   Whatever the sentence is, that's the

 5   sentence.     You can get between 50 and 54 days a year of good

 6   time credit.     So in my example a five-year sentence, over the

 7   course of the first four years you might get six months of

 8   good time credit, which means maybe a five-year sentence would

 9   translate out to four years and maybe two or three months.              Do

10   you understand that?

11                THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

12                THE COURT:   But there is no parole in the federal

13   system.     You don't just serve one third of your time and be

14   put on parole afterwards?

15                THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

16                THE COURT:   And with respect to rights of appeal,

17   paragraph 12, notes that you and the government waive appeal

18   of any lawful sentence as long as it's not less than 48

19   months.     That's how I interpret this waiver of appeal.         The

20   government does not waive appeal if the sentence is less than

21   48 months.     Other than that, both sides waive appeal of a

22   lawful sentence, do you understand that?

23                THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

24                THE COURT:   And Mr. Delaney, I gather from the point

25   of view of the government, as to these guideline issues that I




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 1   will address there's a waiver of appeal on the guideline

 2   issues from the point of view of the government; correct?

 3               MR. DELANEY:     Yes, Your Honor.

 4               THE COURT:     Correct, Mr. Bardos?

 5               MR. BARDOS:     Yes, sir.

 6               THE COURT:     All right.   And paragraph 12c

 7   specifically notes, Mr. Ulysse, that there's a waiver of your

 8   rights under the Freedom of Information Act.          That is a law

 9   that was passed by the U.S. Congress that gives rights to

10   American citizens to seek information from certain federal

11   government agencies.       You've had access to discovery in this

12   case over the last year, more than a year from your attorney,

13   Mr. Bardos, but now that you're pleading guilty you have no

14   further right to seek -- to file a Freedom of Information Act

15   request seeking information from the Department of Justice,

16   from the Department of Labor, from the FBI, you have no right

17   to file any such request, do you understand that?

18               THE DEFENDANT:     Yes I do.

19               THE COURT:     And that's waived in paragraph 12c.

20   Also, want to make sure that you understand your waiver of

21   certain rights that are set forth in paragraph 5 of the plea

22   agreement letter, specifically, with respect to your waiver of

23   a jury trial here.       For the trial in this case, which has been

24   set to start, I believe it's on October the 25th, if I'm not

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 1   it's been postponed before, but because of a request of

 2   another co-defendant, but it's around October 25th, maybe four

 3   weeks from now, five weeks from now.

 4                Do you understand that you have a right to plead not

 5   guilty to any of these charges here that you're pleading

 6   guilty to today, and you'd have a right to a trial by jury.

 7   And that would be about four weeks from now.          And you could

 8   persist in those pleas of not guilty and you'd have a right to

 9   a trial by jury on any and all charges for which 12 people

10   would be selected as jurors.       Do you understand that?

11                THE DEFENDANT:   Yes, sir.

12                THE COURT:   And do you understand you have the right

13   to participate with Mr. Bardos in the selection of a jury in

14   this case?

15                THE DEFENDANT:   Yes, sir.

16                THE COURT:   And do you understand that at trial you

17   would be presumed to be innocent on both of these charges

18   and -- all of the charges, and the government would have to

19   prove your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.          Do you understand

20   that?

21                THE DEFENDANT:   Yes, sir.

22                THE COURT:   Do you understand there would have to be

23   a unanimous verdict of all 12 jurors before you could be

24   convicted on any count?

25                THE DEFENDANT:   Yes, sir.




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 1              THE COURT:     The jury would have to decide each count

 2   separately, they could find you not guilty on some counts and

 3   guilty on others.     But in order to find you guilty there would

 4   have to be a unanimous verdict.        If there was one juror who

 5   held out and didn't agree, there would be a hung jury on that

 6   charge you'd have to have a retrial.        Do you understand?

 7              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

 8              THE COURT:     And do you understand you have the right

 9   to the assistance of your counsel for your defense, and the

10   right to see and hear all witnesses and to cross-examine all

11   witnesses, Mr. Ulysse?

12              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

13              THE COURT:     And do you understand on your own part

14   you have the right to decline to testify unless, you

15   voluntarily I elected to testify in your own defense?

16              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

17              THE COURT:     Under the 5th Amendment to our

18   Constitution you have a privilege against self-incrimination.

19   The government could not call you as a witness.          I could not

20   call you as a witness.      Do you understand that?

21              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

22              THE COURT:     But if you did go to trial and choose to

23   testify, you could then be subject to impeachment on

24   cross-examination and could be questioned about any prior

25   criminal record that you have, do you understand that?




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 1              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

 2              THE COURT:     Do you also understand if should you

 3   decide to go to trial, but not testify or put on any evidence,

 4   those facts could not be used against you?

 5              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

 6              THE COURT:     Specifically, I would tell the jury when

 7   the jury began their deliberations, I would tell them that if

 8   you had not testified or put on any evidence, I would tell

 9   them that you did not testify or put on any evidence and I

10   would tell the jury specifically that they should not consider

11   that in any way or hold that against you.         And I would

12   specifically tell the jury that the burden is always upon the

13   government to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.            That

14   burden never shifts to a criminal defendant.          A criminal

15   defendant is never required to prove his innocence.           The

16   burden is always upon the government to prove guilt beyond a

17   reasonable doubt, do you understand your rights in that

18   regard, sir?

19              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

20              THE COURT:     And also you would have the right to the

21   issuance of subpoenas to compel the attendance of witnesses to

22   testify on your behalf.      Do you understand that?

23              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

24              THE COURT:     You could give the names of any

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 1   give those names to the clerk of the Court.          And because

 2   you're indigent, represented by court-appointed counsel, at no

 3   cost to you those subpoenas would be served.          And just as the

 4   government can compel people to come into the courtroom, so

 5   can you.   And those persons would be required to come into the

 6   courtroom upon receiving subpoenas and testify on your behalf.

 7   Do you understand that, sir?

 8              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

 9              THE COURT:     And do you understand if there was a

10   trial in this case and if you were found guilty by a jury on

11   any charge, there would be no waiver of appeal as there is

12   now, you would be able to appeal any finding of guilty on

13   charges, you would be able to appeal the sentence in the case.

14   Do you understand that?

15              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

16              THE COURT:     And do you further understand that by

17   entering this plea of guilty, if I accept that plea in a few

18   moments there will be no trial, and you will have waived or

19   given up your rights to a trial, as well as all the other

20   rights associated with a trial?

21              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

22              THE COURT:     Now the elements of the offense to which

23   you're pleading guilty, I've already summarized for you, as to

24   the conspiracy to commit mail fraud charge, that at least you

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 1   that the purpose of the agreement was to execute and attempt a

 2   scheme to defraud, by means of obtaining money by false

 3   pretenses, and that you knowingly became a member of that

 4   conspiracy, as to the Count 1 of the indictment.

 5              And as to the one-count criminal information with

 6   respect to the elements of wire fraud, the elements being that

 7   there was a scheme and artifice to defraud by false pretenses,

 8   that you knowingly, willfully participated in that scheme with

 9   the knowledge of its fraud.       And that the perpetration of that

10   fraud resulted in the use of interstate wires as noted in the

11   criminal information.      Do you understand the basic elements of

12   the offense to which you're pleading guilty here today?

13              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

14              THE COURT:     With that you may be seated for a few

15   moments and I'll call upon Assistant United States Attorney

16   Sean Delaney to summarize or make a representation concerning

17   the facts the government would be prepared to prove at trial,

18   so as to establish independent factual basis for these pleas

19   of guilty, both to Count 1 of the indictment and as to the

20   one-count criminal information.        And I would note that the

21   factual basis for this Court's acceptance of those guilty

22   pleas is also contained in Attachment A the stipulation of

23   facts, which addresses both the elder fraud scheme, as relates

24   to Count 1 of the indictment, as well as the unemployment

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 1   criminal information.

 2                Mr. Delaney, I'll be delighted to hear from you.

 3                MR. DELANEY:    Thank you, Your Honor.     The defendant

 4   Medard Ulysse was a resident of Miami Florida and Covington,

 5   Georgia.     From at least in or about January 2018 through in or

 6   about November 2019, in the district of Maryland and

 7   elsewhere, Mr. Ulysse conspired with others known and unknown

 8   to commit mail fraud.       Specifically, Mr. Ulysse's

 9   co-conspirators persuaded elderly victims to sends thousands

10   of dollars in cash through the United States Postal Service,

11   and by private and commercial interstate carriers to members

12   of the conspiracy under false pretenses.         That A, the money

13   would be used to help victim's relatives pay legal or other

14   expenses in connections with crimes and other incidents that

15   had not occurred.     And B, the money would be sent to

16   particular individuals at their addresses to the members of

17   the conspiracy who falsely claimed to reside at those

18   addresses.     We refer to that collectively as a scheme to

19   defraud.

20                Mr. Ulysse's co-conspirators telephoned elderly

21   victims throughout the United States while posing as a police

22   officer, lawyer, or other individual, falsely told the victim

23   that a relative, typically the victim's grandchild, had been

24   incarcerated in connection with a car accident or traffic stop

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 1   often tens of thousands of dollars.        Co-conspirators also

 2   posed as the victim's relatives themselves in order to further

 3   induce the victim's to send the cash.         The co-conspirators

 4   described the situation as extremely serious, sometimes

 5   indicating that illegal drugs had been found in the vehicle,

 6   or that the occupant of another car was injured.

 7              In order to conceal the crime, the co-conspirators

 8   told the victims false information like there had been a gag

 9   order placed on the case requiring secrecy, or the situation

10   was embarrassing for the grandchild and the victim should not

11   share the information with others.        During the telephone calls

12   the co-conspirators directed the victim to send cash to a

13   particular address via overnight delivery service, such as

14   United States Parcel -- Postal Service priority mail, FedEx,

15   and United Parcel Service.

16              If the victims sent cash as directed by the

17   co-conspirators, the co-conspirators would call the victims

18   again and ask for more cash, claiming that additional funds

19   were necessary for various purposes.        Such as the grandchild's

20   legal expenses, bail, or fines, or to pay damages.           The

21   co-conspirators obtained tens of thousands of dollars from the

22   victims.

23              In order to conceal the crime, co-conspirators

24   identified residential locations across the country where the

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 1   in Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and Florida.           These

 2   identified residential locations would either be vacant or for

 3   sale, so no one would be at those addresses at the time of the

 4   deliveries.    The government contends that Mr. Ulysse directed

 5   these activities.

 6              Mr. Ulysse recruited people to assist in retrieving

 7   the packages of cash when they were delivered to the specified

 8   residential locations.      Co-conspirators opened the packages,

 9   counted the cash inside, and sent Mr. Ulysse video recordings

10   of packages being opened and counted.         Co-conspirators

11   delivered the fraud proceeds to Mr. Ulysse and to other people

12   involved in the scheme.      The government contends that

13   Mr. Ulysse directed these activities.         The government contends

14   that Mr. Ulysse distributed and directed other co-conspirators

15   to distribute cash payments to other members of the conspiracy

16   for their participation in the scheme.

17              On or about January 8th, 2019, a member of the

18   conspiracy contacted J.N., then 79 years old from La Quinta,

19   California, by phone claiming he was a attorney for J.N.'s

20   granddaughter.    The caller stated that J.N.'s granddaughter

21   had been arrested and J.N. needed to send bail money to an

22   address in Baltimore, Maryland.        The caller told J.N. he could

23   not tell anyone because the judge had imposed a gag order.

24   J.N. sent a package containing $9,400 cash via FedEx to the

25   Baltimore address as instructed.




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 1              Also on or about January 8th, 2019 a member of the

 2   conspiracy contacted by -- contacted R.H., the 89 -- 89 years

 3   old from Bainbridge Island, Washington, by phone and told him

 4   that his grandson was in jail, and R.H. needed to send bail

 5   money to an address in Baltimore Maryland.          The caller told

 6   R.H. that once his grandson appeared in court the bail money

 7   would be returned.     R.H. sent a package containing $9,000 cash

 8   via UPS to the Baltimore address as instructed.

 9              On the morning of January 9th, 2019, the packages of

10   cash sent by J.N. and R.H. to Baltimore, Maryland, were

11   delivered by FedEx and UPS respectively.         Mr. Ulysse utilized

12   his Lyft ride share account to provide transportation for

13   retrieval of the packages between the two addresses.

14              On January 18th, 2019, F.W., then 87 years old from

15   Groton, Connecticut, received a phone call from a person who

16   falsely claimed to be his grandson.        While on the phone the

17   caller claiming to be his grandson passed the phone to another

18   individual who falsely claimed to be a narcotics police

19   officer.   F.W. was told by the purported police officer to

20   send $9,000 cash by FedEx to another address in Baltimore so

21   that his grandson could be released.        F.W. sent a package

22   containing $9,000 in cash via FedEx to that address.

23              On January 9th, 2019 the purported police officer

24   again called F.W. and falsely claimed that there was a fine

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 1   instructed by the purported police officer to send an

 2   additional $9,400 to the same address, which F.W. did.

 3              On January 11th, 2019, the purported police officer

 4   again called F.W. and falsely claimed that any incident

 5   involving F.W.'s grandson, there was an additional charge for

 6   obstruction of justice.      F.W. was again instructed by the

 7   purported police officer to send an additional $9,800 to the

 8   same address, which F.W. did.

 9              On January 12th, 2019, the package of cash sent by

10   F.W. was delivered to Baltimore, Maryland, via UPS.           Mr.

11   Ulysse utilized his Lyft ride share account to provide

12   transportation to the address for retrieval of the package.

13              In March 2019 a member of the conspiracy contacted

14   R.S., an 83-year-old woman from St. Charles, Illinois, by

15   phone, claiming to be R.S.'s grandson.         And told R.S. that he

16   had been in an accident and was in jail.         The caller stated

17   that R.S. needed to send money to an address in Lancaster,

18   Pennsylvania to pay for purported damages.          R.S. sent a

19   package containing $20,000 cash to the Lancaster address as

20   instructed.

21              On or about March 19th, 2019, Mr. Ulysse directed

22   another member of the conspiracy to retrieve the package sent

23   to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, by R.S.        Mr. Ulysse directed the

24   co-conspirator to video himself opening the package of cash

25   and then send the video to Mr. Ulysse so that he could view




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 1   the amount of cash in the package.

 2              As a result of the execution of the elder fraud

 3   scheme, between January 2018 and August 2019, Mr. Ulysse and

 4   others caused at least 83 different victims to be directed to

 5   send a total of at least $2,420,280.        Of that amount,

 6   $1,834,545 was not returned to victims.         Mr. Ulysse's conduct

 7   resulted in substantial financial hardship to at least five of

 8   the victims.

 9              There is also an attachment, Attachment A to the

10   plea agreement.     There is also a summary of the unemployment

11   benefits scheme, which Your Honor substantially read --

12              THE COURT:     Yes, you've just summarized the facts

13   that give rise to the factual predicate for this Court's

14   acceptance of a guilty plea as to Count 1 of the indictment.

15   And now you're about to summarize the factual stipulation as

16   to the one-count criminal information; correct?

17              MR. DELANEY:     That's correct, Your Honor.       And I

18   will skip past the paragraphs summarizing the unemployment

19   benefit fraud scheme that has already been -- that has already

20   been summarized by the Court and move forward to, from at

21   least in or about April 2020, through at least in or about

22   November 2020, in the district of Maryland and elsewhere,

23   Mr. Ulysse conspired with others known and unknown, to devise

24   and execute a scheme to obtain unemployment benefits and other

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 1               In order to execute the fraud scheme, Mr. Ulysse and

 2   his co-conspirators knowingly and willfully caused writings,

 3   signals, pictures, and sounds to be transmitted by interstate

 4   wire.   Specifically, Mr. Ulysse and his co-conspirators

 5   obtained and attempted to obtain money, merchandise, and other

 6   property by submitting false applications in the names of

 7   identity theft victims, claiming unemployment benefits to

 8   which he and other members of the conspiracy were not

 9   entitled.

10               He and his co-conspirators submitted these

11   fraudulent claims for unemployment benefits through the

12   internet to the Maryland Department of Labor and the

13   California Employment Development Department, as well as other

14   state workforce agencies.      They contained individual victim's

15   names, Social Security numbers, and date of births.           And those

16   workforce agencies disbursed benefits through debit cards

17   issued in the name of the applicants and mailed to the

18   addresses provided in the applications.         By completing and

19   submitting these applications, Mr. Ulysse and his

20   co-conspirators caused the issuance of debit cards in their

21   names mailed to locations in Maryland and elsewhere.

22               As a result of the fraudulent applications the

23   Maryland Department of Labor and other state work force

24   agencies approved the disbursement of unemployment payments

25   that included federal funds.       Mr. Ulysse and his




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 1   co-conspirators obtained these payments from locations in

 2   Maryland and elsewhere, and debit cards were issued as a

 3   result of these fraudulent claims and used to withdraw those

 4   funds.

 5              Specifically, between July 20th, 2020 and November

 6   11th, 2020, Mr. Ulysse conducted fraudulent transactions

 7   through the use of debit cards issued in the names of at least

 8   six identity theft victims and funded with unemployment

 9   compensation including the federal funds.         Each debit card

10   displayed a victim's name.       The unemployment benefits were

11   disbursed by Maryland Department of Labor and other state

12   workforce agencies as a result of the fraudulent claims.

13   Mr. Ulysse was aware that the real person's identifies were

14   used to file fraudulent unemployment claims and the debit

15   cards were issued in the names of real people.

16              On or about August 16th, 2020, Mr. Ulysse used a

17   debit card issued in the name of R.B. to withdraw $440 from an

18   ATM in Baltimore, Maryland.       The debit card was issued in

19   response to a fraudulent application for unemployment

20   compensation submitted in R.B.'s name.

21              On or about August 26th, 2020, Mr. Ulysse utilized a

22   debit card issued in the name of R.B. to withdraw $500 from an

23   ATM in Hampstead, New York.       This debit card was also issued

24   in response to a fraudulent application for unemployment

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 1   R.B.'s name.

 2              On September 26th, 2020, Mr. Ulysse used a debit

 3   card issued in the name of A.C. to withdraw $980 from an ATM

 4   in Baltimore, Maryland.      This debit card was issued in

 5   response to a fraudulent application submitted to the

 6   California Employment Development Department in A.C.'s name.

 7              On November 30th, 2020, Mr. Ulysse was the driver of

 8   a vehicle that was stopped in Valdosta, Georgia, by Lowndes

 9   County Sheriff's Department.       The department conducted a

10   search of the vehicle and recovered debit cards in the name of

11   R.B., R.P., and A.C., along with over 25 other debit cards

12   issued in names other than Mr. Ulysse, as well as multiple

13   electronic devices.

14              As a result of the execution of the unemployment

15   insurance benefits scheme, between April 2020 and November

16   2020, Mr. Ulysse and others submitted at least 143 fraudulent

17   applications in the names of various identity theft victims

18   resulting in the funding of at least $618,767 in fraudulent

19   unemployment benefits.      Losses in this amount were reasonable

20   foreseeable to Mr. Ulysse.

21              THE COURT:     Thank you very much, Mr. Delaney.        And

22   the record will reflect you've essentially summarized and read

23   almost verbatim the Attachment A to the plea agreement letter

24   as to both of the charges here to which the defendant is

25   pleading guilty.




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 1              If you'll please stand, Mr. Ulysse.         Thank you.

 2              Mr. Bardos, are there any additions or modifications

 3   to that statement of facts?

 4              MR. BARDOS:     No, sir.

 5              THE COURT:     Mr. Ulysse, is that an accurate summary

 6   of the facts in this case, both with respect to the charges in

 7   Count 1 and the conspiracy charge in the indictment with

 8   respect to the -- one second here, with respect to the elder

 9   fraud scam?

10              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

11              THE COURT:     And are they also -- is that an accurate

12   summary as to the unemployment insurance benefit fraud scheme?

13              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

14              THE COURT:     I'm sorry?

15              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

16              THE COURT:     Did you, in fact, commit the crime as

17   summarized by the government by Mr. Delaney?

18              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

19              THE COURT:     You still wish to plead guilty, sir?

20              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir.

21              THE COURT:     Specifically, then Mr. Ulysse, how do

22   you plead to Count 1 of the indictment, guilty or not guilty?

23              THE DEFENDANT:     Guilty.

24              THE COURT:     How do you plead to the one count

25   criminal information charging you with wire fraud?




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 1              THE DEFENDANT:     Guilty.

 2              THE COURT:     I'm sorry charging you with -- wire

 3   fraud, yes, guilty or not guilty?

 4              THE DEFENDANT:     Guilty, sir.

 5              THE COURT:     Mr. Bardos, is there any reason that you

 6   know of why this could Court should not accept these guilty

 7   pleas?

 8              MR. BARDOS:     No, Judge.

 9              THE COURT:     It is the finding of this Court in the

10   case of United States versus Ulysse, criminal number

11   RDB-21-0054, and criminal number RDB-22-0335, that the

12   defendant is fully competent and capable of entering informed

13   pleas as to both charges and that the defendant is aware of

14   the nature of the charges and the relevant consequences of his

15   pleas of guilty.

16              And the Court further finds that his pleas of

17   guilty, on the advice of competent counsel, with whose

18   services he is satisfied is a knowing -- are knowing and

19   voluntary pleas supported by independent bases in fact,

20   sustaining each of the essential elements of -- with respect

21   to both offenses.     And the plea is to be accepted and the

22   defendant is now adjudged guilty of the offenses as set forth

23   in the Count 1 of the indictment, conspiracy to commit mail

24   fraud, in violation of 18, United States Code, Section 1349,

25   and guilty as to the one-count criminal information charging




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 1   him with wire fraud in violation of 18, United States Code,

 2   Section 1343.

 3              Mr. Ulysse, a written presentence investigation

 4   report will be prepared by Ms. Nicole Wonneman, the U.S.

 5   Probation Office, to assist the Court in sentencing.           And you

 6   will be asked to give information for that report.           And your

 7   attorney, Mr. Bardos, will be with you when you meet with the

 8   probation officer.     And I'll permit both you and Mr. Bardos to

 9   read the presentence investigation reports and to file any

10   objections to it.     And both you and Mr. Bardos will be

11   afforded the opportunity to speak on your behalf at the

12   sentencing hearings.      So I will refer you to the U.S.

13   probation office for the presentence investigation and report.

14              Your date of sentencing on both of these charges

15   will be on December 19, 2022, at 11:00 o'clock a.m.           And I

16   will sign the regular sentencing order to that effect here

17   today.   Ms. Wonneman's report will be due by November the 2nd.

18   If either side is going to call -- has any objections by

19   November 16th, they should be filed.        After those objections

20   Ms. Wonneman will or will not modify her report.           And she'll

21   file the report by November the 28th.         Sentencing memoranda

22   are not required, but if either side desires to call any

23   witnesses, you should notify the Court and opposing counsel by

24   December 5th.

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 1   sentencing memorandum are filed, they should be filed by

 2   December the 5th.     As I think you all know, Counsel, I'm not

 3   really a stickler for that.       I don't want to get it two days

 4   before, but if I get it the week before that is fine with me.

 5   But this is a regular sentencing order we sign by agreement

 6   with my colleagues and that will be filed immediately today as

 7   well.

 8              Now, we -- the defendant was in custody for a period

 9   from March the 26th of 2021 to September 10 of 2021.           And

10   he'll get credit for that time in state custody.

11              MR. BARDOS:     Federal custody, Your Honor.

12              THE COURT:     I'm sorry, March 26th, 2021 to September

13   10th of 2021.

14              MR. BARDOS:     Federal custody.

15              THE COURT:     Federal custody, yes, I meant to say

16   federal custody.     In federal custody.      I'm sorry, Mr. Bardos,

17   you are correct.     For that period of time.       And he's been on

18   release since September 10th of last year.          And I'm afraid

19   that I've got some concerns here.        There have been two

20   incidents of apparent violation according to Troy Scott the

21   supervising U.S. probation officer who has been coordinating

22   with Senior U.S. probation officer Danny McMillan in the

23   United States District Court in the Northern District of

24   Georgia.

25              And as I understand it, there was a violation --




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 1   alleged violation on February 1 of this year and again on

 2   April 9 of this year with respect to violating conditions of

 3   release by making unauthorized stops while on approved travel

 4   from Georgia to Maryland, and having law enforcement contact,

 5   and actually testing positive for marijuana on occasion.               But

 6   the -- he has not been violated up to this point.           It does

 7   note, and this is the report I've gotten recently, as of

 8   today, that there are still some charges, Georgia charges

 9   remaining against him.      And there are offenses for simple

10   assault, hit and run, no insurance, et cetera.

11              What is the status of any Georgia -- you may be

12   seated for a minute, Mr. Ulysse.        What is the status of any

13   Georgia state cases against him Mr. Bardos.

14              MR. BARDOS:     Well, as I understand it, Your Honor,

15   they have not been pursued by the state of Georgia.           And from

16   what I understand, from my client, at least with regard to the

17   last two, it's a matter of accumulating funds to be able to

18   pay the fines that would take care of that.          So he has a job

19   now --

20              THE COURT:     What is he doing?

21              MR. BARDOS:     Pardon me.

22              THE COURT:     What is he doing.     What is his job?

23              MR. BARDOS:     He is canvassing for two of the senate

24   candidates in Georgia.

25              THE COURT:     He is doing what?




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 1                MR. BARDOS:    Canvassing for two of the senate

 2   candidates in Georgia.

 3                THE COURT:    All right.   And he's being paid for

 4   that.

 5                MR. BARDOS:    Yes, sir.

 6                THE COURT:    Is he still living with and in the

 7   custody of Deshawna Lynn Brown.

 8                MR. BARDOS:    He is, Your Honor.    I've had

 9   conversations with Mr. Luco, who has indicated that because

10   Mr. Ulysse is on electronic home monitoring, and actually is

11   on a GPS tracker, that Mr. Luco believes that Mr. Ulysse no

12   longer needs a third party custodian because electronic

13   monitoring would be sufficient for pretrial services.            But he

14   is still there.

15                THE COURT:    Well, I don't have any intentions of

16   lessening.

17                MR. BARDOS:    I wasn't asking --

18                THE COURT:    The question is whether or not they're

19   going to suffice.     The factors here are a little different

20   here under 18, United States Code, Section 3142 and 3143.

21   He's now pled guilty to two criminal charges.          And the burden,

22   as you well know, Mr. Bardos, shifts here in terms of whether

23   I can find by clear and convincing evidence that he's not

24   likely to flee or pose a danger to any other person of the

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 1                I don't know about his danger to the community,

 2   there's no indication of that.       But I had some strong concerns

 3   whether he was even going to come here today or not, Mr.

 4   Bardos.     We had a rather exciting week as to your client.

 5                MR. BARDOS:    I understand that, Your Honor.

 6                THE COURT:    And we had a representation by him that

 7   he couldn't afford to come and we went to a great deal of

 8   effort as a courtesy to him, to proceed by Zoom proceedings.

 9   And then it turns out that then he decided he was not even

10   going to appear before me by Zoom proceeding, after the Court

11   took all these steps to accommodate him, and suggested that he

12   wanted to have another -- he wanted to have time to hire

13   another attorney, which as far as I'm concerned I interpret to

14   be stalling with respect to a trial date that's coming up in

15   four weeks and he's been on release for a year.          And suddenly

16   after a year he talks about wanting to find an attorney.               So

17   then we were going to schedule an attorney inquiry hearing.

18   And Mr. Bardos, you always -- you always give great

19   representation to your clients.        And you're one of the top

20   lawyers on our CJA committee as far as I'm concerned.

21                MR. BARDOS:    Thank you, Your Honor.

22                THE COURT:    And yet he decides he wants another

23   attorney.     I'm pretty confident that if I hadn't said if he

24   wasn't in here bodily by 2:30 today, I was going to issue an

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 1   doubts he was going to come.         And I don't think Mr. Ulysse

 2   really gets it now in terms of how serious this is.           And this

 3   is a totally different ball game now.         We have taken as great

 4   of care as we can, and I've accepted his pleas of guilty.              And

 5   he is facing a minimum of four years in federal prison.            And I

 6   have some doubts about how much longer it would be in

 7   everyone's interest for him to be out on release.           And I want

 8   you to address with me how I can find by clear and convincing

 9   evidence that he's not a risk of flight.

10              MR. BARDOS:     Well, Your Honor, there's no history

11   for Mr. Ulysse ever failing to show up in court.           He's always

12   come to court when he's supposed to.         The issues that you

13   mentioned with regard to the violations have nothing to do

14   with his fleeing or going anywhere.         The first one, just to

15   clarify, he was allowed to -- his son is very ill, his son

16   lives in Maryland.      And he was allowed by Judge Coulson to

17   travel to Maryland to see his son.         What he did was on his way

18   there, he took a five mile detour to pick up a friend, then

19   drove back, and then drove up to Maryland.          That was the

20   problem.   But he was on a GPS monitor at the time, so there's

21   no question where he was.         They know exactly where he was.       So

22   that wasn't anything related to flight, Your Honor.

23              As for this week, Judge, without violating any --

24              THE COURT:     Sure.     I'm not trying to go into your

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 1   summarize -- am I not correct what occurred this week?            We had

 2   a rather exciting week on this case.        It's now Friday

 3   afternoon.     He's finally here a few days after when he thought

 4   he was going to plead guilty, after he represented he wasn't,

 5   then he represented that he was going to plead guilty.            We had

 6   a rather little bit of a yo-yo effect on this case.           Makes me

 7   a little nervous, Mr. Bardos.

 8                MR. BARDOS:    I understand that, Your Honor, hasn't

 9   done a lot for me either.       But I can tell that you from my

10   understanding from Mr. Ulysse, his intention has been to plead

11   guilty.   He had conversations over the weekend, he had

12   conversations on Monday with his family.         And his family said,

13   look, we have property in Haiti, we have property in other

14   places, we could sell that property and get you a new lawyer.

15   It was never -- without being -- without being too conceited,

16   he's never had a problem with me.        His family thought, this is

17   a lot of time, it's very serious stuff.         Maybe we need to pay

18   a lawyer for you.     See if the judge will allow us to do that.

19   And he had to borrow from -- I'm not even sure where, but he

20   had to borrow to get here today.        We did ask if he could come

21   here, if he could appear by Zoom and the Court at that point

22   agreed.

23                THE COURT:    Previously, we were going to do this

24   earlier in the week.

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 1   came from his family.        They tried to convince him he would get

 2   a better situation with a different lawyer if they paid them.

 3   Frankly, Your Honor, as CJA counsel I've heard that contention

 4   before.     It doesn't offend me.

 5                THE COURT:     I understand.

 6                MR. BARDOS:     But I understand people feel that way.

 7   And that's what happened.        So that's why we presented that on

 8   Tuesday.     But his position with regard to his responsibility

 9   for these actions has never changed.

10                THE COURT:     All right.

11                MR. BARDOS:     So I think he understands fully what

12   the seriousness is.        And, frankly, Your Honor, I think you

13   imparted that quite well on Tuesday.        But, so that was the

14   situation.     It wasn't that he wanted do, he didn't want to.

15   He never wavered.     His family was trying to say maybe we can

16   do something better for you, and that was how --

17                THE COURT:     Well, I'm not angry with him about that,

18   but it does pique my curiosity that he's been on release for a

19   year.     He was charged in this crime originally -- the

20   indictment in this case March 2021, a year and a half ago.

21   And suddenly a year and a half after he's charged, a year

22   after he's been placed on release, and suddenly he has to face

23   the music here, he starts seeming to dodge around the

24   calendar.     I was not going to permit it and I'm not going to

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 1                So Mr. Delaney, do you have any reason to believe

 2   that Mr. Ulysse risk of flight?

 3                MR. DELANEY:     Your Honor, if I'm being consistent,

 4   the government has always actually maintained that Mr. Ulysse

 5   should be held pending trial, we lost that argument back in

 6   September.

 7                THE COURT:     I understand.   Well, this is now

 8   different factors involved.

 9                MR. DELANEY:     And I think Your Honor's right to

10   raise them and to have this conversation.           And I can certainly

11   jump up and down on the table and state all the reasons --

12                THE COURT:     Sure, I understand.

13                MR. DELANEY:     -- felt previously.     I will note for

14   the benefit of the record, he is here today as he said he

15   would be.     And if Your Honor's inclined, I would defer to the

16   Court.

17                THE COURT:     All right.   Mr. Ulysse, if you'll stand

18   please, sir.     As a result of this case you're going to go to

19   prison for at least four years, do you understand that?

20                THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, I do, sir.

21                THE COURT:     And you're going to be given credit for

22   time served for about six months in federal custody.            And I'm

23   not really pleased with the way this was handled today.            And

24   it's my view that you sent up warning signals to me about

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 1   put you in custody today, Mr. Ulysse.         And I'm going to permit

 2   you to return to Georgia under the same conditions as set by

 3   Magistrate Judge Coulson, but I'm telling you if there is one

 4   variation, if you go two blocks off the shortest route back to

 5   Georgia and I hear there's a violation, I'm going to send out

 6   the marshals to arrest you, do you understand that?

 7              THE DEFENDANT:     I understand, sir.

 8              THE COURT:     There's no wiggle room for mistakes

 9   here, do you understand that?

10              THE DEFENDANT:     Totally understand, sir.

11              THE COURT:     All right.    And Mr. Bardos, I'm going to

12   give strong consideration to ordering him to voluntarily

13   surrender at some point in time before he's sentenced.            I

14   don't think we're going to wait until December.          I'm concerned

15   about this, I think that the temptations for him are too

16   great.   This is a massive financial fraud that's been alleged.

17   And I am -- I'm going to reflect on this.         I'm not going to

18   step him back today and the same conditions of release will

19   apply.   But the factors are totally different now that you've

20   come here under oath, pleading guilty to these offenses.

21              It's a different situation than was before my

22   colleague, Magistrate Judge Coulson, Mr. Ulysse.           And I have

23   seen in the past on some occasions do some really dumb things.

24   And they don't show up when they're supposed to.           And all the

25   sudden they multiply the effects here.         I can recall one




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 1   specific case of a man who committed bank robbery.           And he

 2   pled guilty and he was on release.         And he was sentenced and I

 3   still let him be on release.       And I gave him voluntary

 4   surrender for the prison sentence, and on the day -- this is a

 5   true story now, sir.

 6                On the day he was to appear he totally panicked and

 7   he and his girlfriend tried to rob a bank.          Like right out of

 8   the movies, Bonnie and Clyde.       It turned out there was an

 9   off-duty police officer in the bank.         And mercifully the only

10   person injured was the defendant.         He was shot.   And three or

11   four months later he appeared in front of me in a wheelchair.

12   And he wound up going to prison, I guess, I think it was 20

13   some years as opposed to six or seven, because he panicked one

14   afternoon.     So people do crazy things.

15                You are facing a minimum of four years in federal

16   prison and you're not getting any credit for time served right

17   now.   You get credit from March to September of 2021, but not

18   one minute of your time for home detention or anything else

19   has been credited toward that sentence over the last year.             Do

20   you understand that?

21                THE DEFENDANT:   Yes, sir.

22                THE COURT:   And I'm trying to make sure we don't

23   have any major foul ups here?

24                THE DEFENDANT:   I wouldn't do --

25                THE COURT:   In terms of the danger to the community,




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 1   you endanger yourself and others, it concerns me.           And I'm

 2   going to let these same conditions apply.         And I'm going to --

 3   not going to make a finding by clear and convincing evidence

 4   under 18, United States Code, Section 3143(a) and (b), but

 5   I'm -- Mr. Bardos, I think it might be in his interest and

 6   make everybody a lot more comfortable if we, in a very

 7   civilized fashion, agree when he might want to surrender

 8   before December.     And, quite frankly, maybe another facility

 9   that could be designated for federal custody that would not

10   necessarily be the Chesapeake Detention Facility here in

11   Baltimore, there's limited space.        I could envision that he

12   could get credit for time served in federal custody to a

13   facility that could be designated in Georgia.          Could that not

14   be possible, Mr. Delaney?

15              MR. DELANEY:     I don't know, but I can certainly

16   ask.

17              THE COURT:     I would like you to ask if you would.

18   Try to find out.     We're not trying to put you in solitary

19   confinement or something, Mr. Ulysse, but I think that it

20   might be constructive under my consideration under factors

21   under Section 3143, it's very difficult for me to make a

22   really aggressive finding by clear and convincing evidence

23   that you're not a risk of flight or threat.          You're not a

24   threat to the community physically.

25              THE DEFENDANT:     I wouldn't --




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 1                THE COURT:     You may or may not be.     Now, Mr. Bardos

 2   makes a good point, you did come here.           But I will tell you, I

 3   have to have a rather specific conversation with you in terms

 4   of what the realities were going to be if you weren't in this

 5   courthouse at 2:30 today.        And I think that probably

 6   registered with you finally.

 7                THE DEFENDANT:     It was no doubt that I wouldn't be

 8   in court, sir.     Not for a minute.        The only issue that we had

 9   was the day that I was supposed to take the plea, like I said

10   I spoke to my family the day before --

11                THE COURT:     I understand.

12                THE DEFENDANT:     And I have like ten people in my ear

13   saying don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.           So I spoke to

14   Mr. Bardos.     And that's it.     Literally besides that, I'm not

15   going to do anything that's going to make my time, worse.              You

16   know.

17                THE COURT:     All right.   Well, we'll -- I'm going to

18   continue the same conditions of release.           But they're subject

19   to review.     And I have the jurisdiction to review those

20   conditions at any time.

21                Correct, Mr. Delaney?

22                MR. DELANEY:     Correct.

23                THE COURT:     Correct, Mr. Bardos.

24                MR. BARDOS:     Yes, sir.

25                THE COURT:     And I think that it might be -- I think




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 1   I feel a lot more comfortable if we decide when you might want

 2   to surrender.     And believe me, if you were to surrender to

 3   federal custody, not state custody, and you would get credit

 4   for the time served before you come here in sentencing for the

 5   final sentencing.     I think it might be a step in the better

 6   direction for you.      So that's where we're going to leave this

 7   for now.

 8              Anything further from the point of view of the

 9   government, Mr. Delaney?

10              MR. DELANEY:     No.     Thank you, Your Honor.

11              THE COURT:     All right.      Thank you.

12              Mr. Bardos, anything further from your point of

13   view?

14              MR. BARDOS:     No.     Thank you, Judge.

15              THE COURT:     All right.      Thank you, Mr. Ulysse, I

16   want you to understand I'm speaking just straight to you, so

17   you understand where I'm coming from, do you understand?

18              THE DEFENDANT:        Yes.

19              THE COURT:     You have a good lawyer there.       He's

20   highly respected by the Court.          And everything is very

21   civilized here.     I'm not going to have you put in handcuffs

22   and taken through that door over here, but I'm going to tell

23   you, we didn't start right at 2:30 today and no one was sure

24   where you were --

25              THE DEFENDANT:        I was here at 12:30.




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 1              THE COURT:     All I know is the people talking to me

 2   didn't know where you were in the courthouse, okay.           You were

 3   here, and that's fine.      I'm not angry with you.      Do I seem

 4   like I'm angry?     I'm not yelling at you?

 5              THE DEFENDANT:     No, sir.

 6              THE COURT:     I'm just trying to tell you these are

 7   serious matters, you have to focus.        You've had the luxury of

 8   being out for a year now waiting for these charges to come to

 9   trial.   This case is going to trial in October, without any

10   question as to the other two defendants.         No postponements.

11   That's all there is to it.       So the time is up now.      And I

12   think you need to get focused.       And I think you are focused,

13   but I want you to understand, in the spirit which is intended,

14   I'm trying to make sure that you don't necessarily jeopardize

15   your own conditions and make it even worse than it is for you.

16   So do you understand?

17              THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, sir, I do.

18              THE COURT:     With that this court stands adjourned

19   for the day.    Thank you all very much.

20              (The proceedings were concluded at 4:29 p.m.)

21
               I, Christine Asif, RPR, FCRR, do hereby certify that
22   the foregoing is a correct transcript from the stenographic
     record of proceedings in the above-entitled matter.
23
                          _________/s/______________
24                             Christine T. Asif
                           Official Court Reporter
25




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  58:2, 58:7,       40:10.             40:11.             52:7, 52:12,
  58:15, 59:10,   charge 7:4,        citizen 35:2,        52:17, 52:21,
  59:11.            7:20, 7:24,        35:6, 35:8,        52:23, 53:8,
care 64:18,         8:7, 15:3,         35:9.              53:10, 53:14,
  67:4.             20:10, 37:13,    citizens             57:2, 57:4,
carefully           37:14, 41:15,      45:10.             57:10, 57:20,
  6:15.             41:16, 47:6,     civil 34:22.         58:1.
carriers            49:11, 49:24,    civilized 73:7,    co-defendant
  51:11.            55:5, 60:7.        75:21.             46:2.
cases 15:6,       charged 9:4,       CJA 66:20,         Code 21:8,
  26:25,            10:5, 10:7,        69:3.              61:24, 62:1,
  64:13.            11:8, 11:16,     claim 9:12,          65:20,
cash 51:10,         11:25, 12:3,       9:20.              73:4.
  52:3, 52:12,      21:2, 24:13,     claimant 9:23,     colleague
  52:16, 52:18,     24:18, 33:11,      9:24, 10:4.        71:22.
  52:25, 53:7,      34:1, 34:6,      claimed 51:17,     colleagues
  53:9, 53:15,      34:9, 36:19,       54:16, 54:18,      63:6.
  53:24, 54:7,      69:19,             54:24,           collectively
  54:10, 54:20,     69:21.             55:4.              51:18.
  54:22, 55:9,    charges 6:24,      claiming 10:14,    college
  55:19, 55:24,     7:7, 8:16,         52:18, 53:19,      25:24.
  56:1.             8:22, 13:17,       54:17, 55:15,    comfortable
Category 17:20,     13:21, 15:24,      57:7.              73:6, 75:1.
  18:24,            16:10, 23:22,    claims 9:13,       coming 6:16,
  19:15.            26:19, 26:22,      10:18, 11:20,      20:4, 28:10,
cause 7:19,         31:14, 35:25,      11:23, 57:11,      66:14,
  7:24, 7:25,       46:5, 46:9,        58:3, 58:12,       75:17.
  8:3, 12:19,       46:17, 46:18,      58:14.           commerce
  33:25.            49:13, 59:24,    clarify              12:20.
caused 11:4,        60:6, 61:13,       67:15.           commercial
  34:14, 56:4,      61:14, 62:14,    clear 19:10,         51:11.
  57:2,             64:8, 65:21,       65:23, 67:8,     commit 21:5,
  57:20.            76:8.              73:3,              21:7, 33:13,
certain 9:16,     charging 8:8,        73:22.             49:24, 51:8,
  12:21, 34:22,     21:6, 21:9,      CLERK 7:7,           60:16,
  35:9, 36:5,       36:22, 60:25,      23:5, 23:7,        61:23.
  36:6, 36:8,       61:2,              24:3, 30:6,      commitment
  38:13, 41:11,     61:25.             49:1.              33:2.
  45:10,          Charles 1:30,      client 26:13,      committed 8:4,
  45:21.            55:14.             31:8, 35:2,        34:11,
certainly 3:21,   Chesapeake           64:16, 66:4,       72:1.

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committee         conditions           21:5, 21:7,        65:9, 68:11,
  66:20.            2:11, 6:16,        33:13, 34:2,       68:12.
commonly            6:19, 23:17,       36:18, 37:13,    convicted
  9:13.             29:10, 29:15,      41:15, 49:24,      35:16, 35:22,
communications      38:13, 38:15,      50:4, 51:12,       38:2,
  12:21,            64:2, 71:2,        51:17, 53:15,      46:24.
  67:25.            71:18, 73:2,       53:18, 54:2,     conviction
community 8:2,      74:18, 74:20,      55:13, 55:22,      13:2, 35:19,
  65:25, 66:1,      76:15.             57:8, 60:7,        35:24,
  72:25,          conduct 14:14,       61:23.             36:1.
  73:24.            39:10,           conspired 51:7,    convictions
compel 48:21,       56:6.              56:23.             35:13.
  49:4.           conducted          constitutes        convince
Compensation        11:11, 29:9,       13:4.              69:1.
  9:9, 11:13,       58:6, 59:9.      Constitution       convincing
  11:14, 11:15,   confident            47:18.             65:23, 67:8,
  58:9, 58:20,      66:23.           constitutional       73:3,
  58:25.          confinement          39:23.             73:22.
competent           73:19.           constitutionali    coordinating
  26:13, 61:12,   confirm              ty 39:18.          63:21.
  61:17.            20:20.           constructive       Copperthite
complete 31:8,    confusion 2:12,      73:20.             6:7, 6:10,
  31:12.            8:20.            contact 9:11,        28:8.
completing        Congress             64:4.            copy 22:24,
  11:2,             45:9.            contacted            22:25, 26:17,
  57:18.          conjecture           53:18, 54:2,       30:10, 32:10,
compliance          17:2.              55:13.             43:5, 43:7.
  38:13.          Connecticut        contained          Correct 4:21,
computer            54:15.             50:22,             5:17, 5:18,
  36:11.          connection 8:9,      57:14.             13:23, 15:8,
computers           51:24.           containing           15:9, 16:9,
  9:15.           connections          53:24, 54:7,       18:20, 20:11,
conceal 52:7,       51:14.             54:22,             21:20, 22:22,
  52:23.          consent 5:21,        55:19.             23:5, 23:7,
conceited           13:22.           contends 53:4,       25:4, 29:12,
  68:15.          consequences         53:12,             30:24, 31:20,
concern             38:23, 39:2,       53:13.             31:22, 42:9,
  17:17.            61:14.           contention           42:11, 45:2,
concerned         consider 40:2,       69:3.              45:4, 56:16,
  16:25, 23:15,     41:8, 48:10,     context 40:1.        56:17, 63:17,
  66:13, 66:20,     70:25.           continue 10:3,       68:1, 74:21,
  71:14.          consideration        74:18.             74:22, 74:23,
concerning          40:24, 71:12,    continued            76:23.
  50:16.            73:20.             10:4.            correction
concerns 63:19,   considered         contract             16:2.
  66:2, 73:1.       16:11,             9:21.            correctly 6:11,
concluded           40:7.            conversation         7:21, 38:5.
  76:20.          consistent           70:10,           corruption
concludes           25:1, 70:3.        74:3.              3:11.
  15:13.          conspiracy         conversations      cost 49:3.

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Coulson 29:10,    credit 28:19,      date 20:4,           17:4.
  29:14, 67:16,     38:17, 44:6,       34:8, 57:15,     definition
  71:3,             44:8, 63:10,       62:14,             16:24.
  71:22.            70:21, 72:16,      66:14.           defraud 11:9,
Counsel 3:4,        72:17, 73:12,    dated 21:13.         12:5, 33:23,
  3:10, 15:6,       75:3.            dates 10:22,         34:7, 34:13,
  28:10, 47:9,    credited             33:17.             50:2, 50:7,
  49:2, 61:17,      72:19.           day 15:23,           51:19.
  62:23, 63:2,    Crime 7:8,           27:16, 72:4,     Delaney 3:7,
  69:3.             7:25, 20:22,       72:6, 74:9,        3:9, 13:6,
Count 7:13,         35:17, 35:23,      74:10,             13:14, 14:12,
  21:1, 21:4,       51:25, 52:7,       76:19.             14:21, 15:7,
  24:14, 24:15,     52:23, 60:16,    days 2:13,           16:1, 16:25,
  24:19, 24:24,     69:19.             44:5, 63:3,        18:24, 19:23,
  26:14, 27:3,    crimes 40:13,        68:3.              21:19, 23:1,
  36:18, 36:22,     51:14.           deal 66:7.           25:4, 30:5,
  37:3, 46:24,    cross-examinati    debit 9:23,          31:20, 36:12,
  47:1, 50:4,       on 47:24.          10:3, 10:24,       38:7, 42:9,
  50:19, 50:24,   cross-examine        11:5, 11:11,       43:5, 44:24,
  56:14, 60:7,      47:10.             11:16, 11:24,      50:16, 51:2,
  60:22, 60:24,   curiosity            12:24, 57:16,      59:21, 60:17,
  61:23.            69:18.             57:20, 58:2,       70:1, 73:14,
counted 53:9,     current 7:13.        58:7, 58:9,        74:21,
  53:10.          currently            58:14, 58:17,      75:9.
country             26:6.              58:18, 58:22,    Delaware
  52:24.          Cusson 1:28,         58:23, 59:2,       53:1.
counts 22:12,       3:12, 3:13,        59:4, 59:10,     deletion 39:19,
  25:2, 25:7,       3:17, 3:19,        59:11.             39:22.
  47:2.             3:22, 3:24,      December 40:19,    deliberations
County 59:9.        43:5.              63:2, 71:14,       48:7.
course 44:7.      custodian            73:8.            delighted
court-appointed     65:12.           decide 18:1,         51:2.
  4:21, 28:10,    custody 28:13,       47:1, 48:3,      delivered 53:7,
  49:2.             28:18, 28:20,      75:1.              53:11, 54:11,
courtesy            28:22, 63:8,     decided 40:19,       55:10.
  66:8.             63:10, 63:11,      66:9.            deliveries
courthouse          63:14, 63:15,    decides              53:4.
  2:17, 6:5,        63:16, 65:7,       66:22.           delivery
  74:5, 76:2.       70:22, 71:1,     decline              52:13.
courtroom 6:9,      73:9, 73:12,       47:14.           Department 4:7,
  35:24, 49:4,      75:3.            deducted             9:11, 9:19,
  49:6.           .                    37:6.              9:21, 9:25,
courtrooms        .                  defendants           10:1, 10:19,
  2:17.           < D >.               3:21, 20:4,        10:20, 10:23,
courts 40:4.      damages 52:20,       21:2,              11:19, 12:6,
COVID-19 9:5.       55:18.             76:10.             12:7, 12:11,
Covington         danger 65:24,      defense 47:9,        12:16, 20:15,
  51:4.             66:1,              47:15.             45:15, 45:16,
crazy 72:14.        72:25.           defer 70:15.         57:12, 57:13,
create 9:22.      Danny 63:22.       definite 17:3,       57:23, 58:11,

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  58:25, 59:6,    difficult            32:6.              21:20, 22:19,
  59:9.             73:21.           dodge 69:23.         27:2, 41:15,
dependant         directed 52:12,    doing 22:13,         43:8, 43:9,
  22:1.             52:16, 53:4,       64:20, 64:22,      53:2, 62:18,
derived 13:4.       53:13, 53:14,      64:25.             62:22,
described           55:21, 55:23,    DOL/OIG 1:42.        68:9.
  52:4.             56:4.            dollars 51:10,     elder 50:23,
Deshawna          direction            52:1,              56:2, 60:8.
  65:7.             75:6.              52:21.           elderly 19:25,
designated        disbursed          done 29:20,          51:9,
  73:9,             10:24, 11:18,      68:9.              51:20.
  73:13.            57:16,           door 75:22.        elected
desires             58:11.           doubt 46:19,         47:15.
  62:22.          disbursement         48:13, 48:17,    electronic
desk 23:5,          57:24.             74:7.              9:15, 10:2,
  30:6, 30:7.     discovery          doubts 67:1,         59:13, 65:10,
Detention 28:9,     45:11.             67:6.              65:12.
  28:11, 29:8,    discretion         down 2:19,         electronically
  72:18,            2:18.              2:20, 2:25,        9:14.
  73:10.          discuss              5:4, 7:7,        elements 33:16,
determination       30:20.             17:14, 23:5,       33:19, 34:3,
  7:19, 7:23,     discussed            70:11.             34:5, 34:11,
  7:25, 22:2.       26:21,           driver 59:7.         34:15, 49:22,
determine 2:10,     26:24.           drove 67:19.         50:6, 50:11,
  7:10, 8:3,      dismissed          drugs 14:8,          61:20.
  17:19, 17:20,     25:7.              26:4, 26:7,      eligibility
  17:22,          dismissing           52:5.              9:6.
  42:25.            25:2.            due 62:17.         eligible 8:25,
determined        displayed          dumb 71:23.          9:18.
  19:15, 23:21,     11:17,           During 37:18,      elsewhere 10:8,
  41:7.             58:10.             52:11.             11:6, 11:10,
determines        dispute 41:12,     .                    51:7, 56:22,
  18:23.            42:9.            .                    57:21,
determining       dissatisfaction    < E >.               58:2.
  42:4.             27:14.           E. 1:37.           embarrassing
detour 67:18.     distribute         ear 74:12.           52:10.
Development         53:15.           earlier 5:15,      employee 9:10,
  10:20, 57:13,   distributed          12:8,              9:16.
  59:6.             53:14.             68:24.           Employment
devices 9:15,     District 1:1,      easier 3:1.          10:20, 57:13,
  59:13.            1:2, 10:8,       effect 62:16,        59:6.
devise 56:23.       11:10, 28:12,      68:6.            end 15:15,
devised 10:9.       51:6, 56:22,     effectively          15:17, 16:4,
different           63:23.             39:25.             16:7, 16:18,
  19:14, 29:16,   DLLR 12:6,         effects              16:24, 17:2,
  43:13, 56:4,      12:11.             71:25.             18:3, 19:1,
  65:19, 67:3,    docket 5:12,       effort 31:2,         19:13,
  69:2, 70:8,       5:13,              66:8.              33:3.
  71:19,            28:15.           either 7:25,       endanger
  71:21.          document             16:10, 18:4,       73:1.

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enforce             43:13.             40:13, 40:25,      45:10, 57:25,
  34:15.          exactly 6:19,        41:8, 65:19,       58:9, 63:11,
enforcement         21:21,             70:8, 71:19,       63:14, 63:15,
  64:4.             67:21.             73:20.             63:16, 67:5,
English 17:8,     example 35:11,     facts 48:4,          70:22, 72:15,
  18:17,            44:6.              50:17, 50:23,      73:9, 73:12,
  26:1.           exception            56:12, 60:3,       75:3.
enter 6:10,         2:17.              60:6.            Fedex 52:14,
  37:9.           exciting 66:4,     factual 50:18,       53:24, 54:11,
entered 2:9,        68:2.              50:21, 56:13,      54:20,
  33:21,          execute 12:5,        56:15.             54:22.
  49:25.            33:22, 50:1,     failing            feel 69:6,
entering 49:17,     56:24,             67:11.             75:1.
  61:12.            57:1.            fair 17:14.        fees 51:25.
entire 8:18.      executed           false 10:11,       felony 34:18,
entitled 10:16,     10:9.              10:13, 11:3,       35:13.
  57:9.           executing            12:17, 23:23,    felt 70:13.
envision            12:5.              25:16, 33:24,    few 2:13, 7:7,
  73:11.          execution 56:2,      34:8, 50:2,        21:4, 49:17,
equipment           59:14.             50:7, 51:12,       50:14,
  36:12.          Exhibit 15:13,       52:8, 57:6.        68:3.
error 12:10.        31:18.           falsely 25:14,     figure 16:12,
Esquire 1:35.     expanded 9:5.        51:17, 51:22,      21:23.
essential         expenses 51:14,      54:16, 54:18,    file 11:23,
  61:20.            52:20.             54:24,             45:14, 45:17,
essentially       explain 19:19,       55:4.              58:14, 62:9,
  8:8, 10:6,        21:17,           family 20:1,         62:21.
  40:5, 41:12,      43:20.             27:18, 68:12,    filed 2:6,
  59:22.          extent 19:3.         68:16, 69:1,       5:23, 7:5,
establish         extremely            69:15,             7:17, 8:10,
  50:18.            52:4.              74:10.             14:23, 62:19,
estimate          .                  far 10:6,            63:1, 63:6.
  43:13.          .                    16:25, 25:23,    final 17:17,
et 64:10.         < F >.               66:13,             17:18, 22:9,
Evelyn 1:28,      F.W. 55:5.           66:20.             75:5.
  3:11.           face 35:18,        fashion 73:7.      finally 6:4,
events 20:8.        35:25, 36:4,     fault 9:3.           68:3, 74:6.
everybody           69:22.           FBI 1:41,          Financial 9:2,
  73:6.           Facility 73:8,       45:16.             37:20, 56:7,
everyone 2:3,       73:10,           FCRR 1:45,           71:16.
  67:7.             73:13.             76:22.           find 14:7,
everything        facing 67:5,       Federal 4:6,         47:2, 47:3,
  28:1,             72:15.             8:24, 9:5,         65:23, 66:16,
  75:20.          fact 2:21,           9:8, 11:13,        67:8,
evidence 26:25,     32:13, 33:4,       15:22, 28:19,      73:18.
  48:3, 48:8,       33:10, 60:16,      28:22, 35:12,    finding 49:12,
  48:9, 65:23,      61:19.             39:6, 39:12,       61:9, 73:3,
  67:9, 73:3,     factor 42:4.         39:24, 40:1,       73:22.
  73:22.          factors 18:21,       40:21, 43:19,    finds 16:19,
exact 37:13,        40:7, 40:10,       44:1, 44:12,       61:16.

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fine 4:1,           31:3, 31:7,        4:11, 5:1,         70:21.
  20:12, 20:21,     31:12, 33:17,      26:21, 27:5,     gives 45:9.
  32:3, 36:20,      33:19, 36:6,       29:24, 61:12,    goal 40:25.
  36:25, 54:24,     45:21,             69:11.           goals 41:2.
  63:4, 76:3.       61:22.           funded 11:13,      Goo 3:22, 3:25,
fines 52:20,      forward 6:20,        58:8.              43:6.
  64:18.            7:12, 13:6,      funding            gotten 64:7.
firearm 34:23,      39:23,             59:18.           GPS 65:11,
  36:15, 42:19,     56:20.           funds 12:24,         67:20.
  42:23.          foul 72:23.          52:18, 57:25,    grand 8:1,
First 5:16,       found 27:2,          58:4, 58:9,        13:21.
  7:4, 22:13,       42:23, 49:10,      64:17.           grandchild
  33:13, 40:23,     52:5.            future 35:23.        51:23, 52:10,
  43:16, 44:7,    four 15:21,        .                    52:19.
  67:14.            18:19, 22:19,    .                  granddaughter
five 43:22,         33:5, 44:7,      < G >.               53:20.
  46:3, 56:7,       44:9, 46:2,      gag 52:8,          grandson 54:4,
  67:18.            46:7, 66:15,       53:23.             54:6, 54:16,
five-year 44:6,     67:5, 70:19,     Gall 40:18.          54:17, 54:21,
  44:8.             72:11,           game 67:3.           54:25, 55:5,
flee 65:24.         72:15.           gather 15:6,         55:15.
fleeing           Fourth 1:30.         22:1, 31:19,     great 66:7,
  67:14.          Frankly 69:3,        44:24.             66:18, 67:3,
flight 67:9,        69:12,           gave 72:3.           71:16.
  67:22, 70:2,      73:8.            General 4:8.       greater 41:1.
  73:23.          fraudulent         gentlemen          gross 36:21.
Floor 1:30.         10:11, 10:18,      4:11.            Groton 54:15.
Florida 8:23,       10:21, 11:11,    Georgia 51:5,      gt 13:19.
  51:4, 53:1.       11:20, 11:23,      59:8, 63:24,     guess 72:12.
focus 76:7.         12:17, 33:24,      64:4, 64:8,      guidance
focused             40:13, 56:25,      64:11, 64:13,      39:11.
  76:12.            57:11, 57:22,      64:15, 64:24,    guideline 16:8,
force 10:20,        58:3, 58:6,        65:2, 71:2,        18:1, 18:3,
  10:24, 33:6,      58:12, 58:14,      71:5,              21:14, 21:15,
  57:23.            58:19, 58:24,      73:13.             21:18, 21:22,
Forcina 20:9.       59:5, 59:16,     gets 67:2.           21:25, 40:21,
foregoing           59:18.           getting              40:24, 41:4,
  76:23.          fraudulently         72:16.             41:5, 41:7,
foreseeable         12:23.           Gilden 1:36.         41:23, 42:8,
  59:20.          Freedom 45:8,      girlfriend           43:1, 44:25,
forfeit 13:3.       45:14.             72:7.              45:1.
forfeiture        freely 33:10.      give 18:1,         Guidelines
  13:1, 13:5,     Friday 1:18.         18:7, 43:5,        16:4, 16:18,
  36:5, 36:6.     Friday 68:2.         43:7, 48:24,       18:4, 19:13,
form 13:20,       friend 67:18.        49:1, 56:13,       21:16, 21:17,
  14:23.          front 6:7,           62:6, 66:18,       22:3, 39:12,
former 9:10,        72:11.             71:12.             39:15, 39:19,
  9:16.           full 24:7.         given 22:25,         39:20, 39:21,
forth 12:18,      fully 2:19,          27:6, 43:13,       39:22, 39:24,
  25:1, 30:4,       2:20, 3:7,         49:19,             40:2, 40:25,

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  42:8.           higher 16:5,       illness 26:4.        22:21.
guilt 46:19,        16:14, 16:18,    immediately        independent
  48:13,            41:23.             63:6.              50:18,
  48:16.          highly 75:20.      imparted             61:19.
.                 hire 66:12.          69:13.           indicated 5:25,
.                 History 5:17,      impeachment          23:12, 32:15,
< H >.              6:17, 16:11,       47:23.             65:9.
Haiti 27:22,        16:13, 17:5,     important          indicating
  68:13.            17:20, 17:24,      21:16, 23:13,      33:1, 52:5.
half 7:18,          18:23, 18:24,      23:17, 25:18,    indication
  28:6, 39:12,      19:14, 40:10,      29:15, 39:8,       27:9, 66:2.
  43:25, 69:20,     42:3,              42:5.            indictment
  69:21.            67:10.           impose 40:14,        7:13, 8:1,
Hampstead         hit 64:10.           40:25.             8:2, 13:20,
  58:23.          Hold 3:19,         imposed 28:20,       13:22, 14:1,
hand 24:3,          45:25,             40:11, 43:12,      14:18, 14:23,
  24:6.             48:11.             53:23.             14:25, 19:25,
handcuffs         home 65:10,        imposing             21:2, 21:3,
  75:21.            72:18.             40:3.              23:10, 24:14,
handled           Honorable          imprisonment         24:25, 26:14,
  70:23.            1:17.              36:20,             26:18, 27:3,
hands 28:2.       hour 7:5,            36:24.             28:5, 33:17,
happened            7:18.            incarcerated         34:1, 36:19,
  69:7.           housing              51:24.             50:4, 50:19,
hardship            35:11.           incarceration        50:24, 56:14,
  56:7.           hundred              15:20,             60:7, 60:22,
harsher             27:25.             15:21.             61:23,
  35:25.          hung 47:5.         incident 54:25,      69:20.
He'll 43:7,       .                    55:4.            indigent
  63:10.          .                  incidents            49:2.
hear 47:10,       < I >.               51:14,           individual
  51:2, 71:5.     idea 18:8,           63:20.             10:21, 12:25,
heard 69:3.         19:11, 19:16,    inclined 15:23,      20:17, 51:22,
hearing 8:5,        43:14.             19:5,              54:18,
  28:11, 29:9,    identified 3:4,      70:15.             57:14.
  66:17.            52:24,           include 36:11,     individuals
hearings            53:2.              40:10.             40:12,
  62:12.          identifies         included             51:16.
held 28:11,         58:13.             57:25.           induce 31:2,
  28:13, 28:18,   identities         Including 9:7,       52:3.
  29:2, 47:5,       11:22,             9:16, 11:13,     influence 14:8,
  70:5.             20:16.             26:25, 52:25,      26:6.
help 51:13.       identity 10:14,      58:9.            informed
hereby 76:22.       11:4, 11:12,     incorporated         61:12.
Hershfield          57:7, 58:8,        12:2.            initial 13:7,
  1:36.             59:17.           incorrect            13:8, 13:9,
high 16:13,       ill 67:15.           5:18.              28:7.
  18:25, 19:17,   illegal 52:5.      increased          initialed
  32:17,          Illinois             9:6.               13:12.
  37:12.            55:14.           indefinite         initially

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  17:25.            68:25.             76:14.           knowing 14:7,
initials 12:14,   introduced         job 9:11,            61:18.
  12:25,            15:12,             64:18,           knowingly
  20:17.            31:18.             64:22.             12:19, 33:22,
injured 52:6,     Investigation      jobs 35:10.          34:1, 34:13,
  72:10.            4:6, 43:2,       joint 8:24,          50:3, 50:8,
innocence           62:3, 62:9,        37:25.             57:2.
  48:15.            62:13.           jointly            knowledge
innocent          involved 53:12,      37:11.             32:17,
  46:17.            70:8.            Judge 2:18,          50:9.
inquire 2:23,     involves             3:2, 6:7,        known 25:21,
  27:8.             38:12.             6:10, 22:6,        51:7,
inquiry 6:8,      involving            28:8, 28:12,       56:23.
  66:17.            51:25, 54:25,      29:9, 29:14,     knows 14:14.
inside 53:9.        55:5.              35:24, 53:23,    .
Inspector         Island 54:3.         61:8, 67:16,     .
  4:8.            issuance 11:4,       67:23, 68:18,    < L >.
instructed          48:21,             71:3, 71:22,     La 53:18.
  53:25, 54:8,      57:20.             75:14.           Labor 4:7,
  55:1, 55:6,     issue 21:14,       judges 40:1,         9:12, 9:20,
  55:20.            37:20, 66:24,      40:21.             9:22, 9:25,
insurance 8:9,      74:8.            July 58:5.           10:1, 10:19,
  8:23, 9:1,      issued 10:24,      jump 70:11.          10:23, 11:19,
  9:6, 9:7,         11:12, 39:16,    jurisdiction         12:7, 12:11,
  9:12, 9:13,       57:17, 58:2,       74:19.             12:17, 20:15,
  9:18, 9:20,       58:7, 58:15,     juror 47:4.          45:16, 57:12,
  20:13, 20:19,     58:17, 58:18,    jurors 46:10,        57:23, 58:11,
  50:25, 59:15,     58:22, 58:23,      46:23.             58:25.
  60:12,            59:3, 59:4,      jury 8:1,          Lancaster
  64:10.            59:12.             13:21, 27:2,       55:17, 55:19,
intended 9:1,     issues 16:23,        45:23, 46:6,       55:23.
  76:13.            21:22, 41:5,       46:9, 46:13,     language 19:1,
intention           42:9, 44:25,       47:1, 47:5,        26:1.
  68:10.            45:2,              48:6, 48:7,      last 2:13,
intentions          67:12.             48:10, 48:12,      7:18, 27:21,
  65:15.          items 36:11.         49:10.             39:11, 45:12,
interest 67:7,    itself 32:16.      Justice 14:3,        63:18, 64:17,
  73:5.           .                    45:15,             72:19.
interim 6:8.      .                    55:6.            late 6:6.
internet 9:14,    < J >.             .                  later 72:11.
  9:15, 10:19,    J.N. 53:19,        .                  law 45:8,
  57:12.            53:20.           < K >.               64:4.
interpret 3:3,    jail 54:4,         keep 14:25,        lawful 9:2,
  44:19,            55:16.             35:9,              44:18,
  66:13.          January 39:16,       35:10.             44:22.
interstate          39:23, 55:3,     keeping 3:2.       laws 43:23.
  12:20, 34:14,     55:9.            key 40:17.         lawyer 25:20,
  50:10, 51:11,   Jason 1:41,        kind 14:9,           27:10, 27:12,
  57:3.             4:2, 4:6.          16:23, 17:5,       27:13, 27:19,
intervention      jeopardize           26:4, 26:7.        27:20, 27:23,

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  27:25, 51:22,     35:10.             70:5.              64:5.
  68:14, 68:18,   Licensing          lot 2:12,          Marshals 66:25,
  69:2,             12:7.              23:13, 68:9,       71:6.
  75:19.          lie 6:23.            68:17, 73:6,     Martin 1:42,
lawyers           lied 23:21.          75:1.              4:3, 4:7.
  66:20.          light 8:17,        low 16:4, 16:7,    MARYLAND 1:2.
least 11:12,        19:24.             16:18,           mask 2:20,
  33:20, 49:24,   lightly              18:3.              2:23, 2:25,
  51:5, 56:4,       29:16.           lower 24:6.          5:4.
  56:5, 56:7,     likely 65:24.      Lowndes 59:8.      masking 2:15.
  56:21, 58:7,    limited 52:25,     Luco 65:9,         masks 2:16,
  59:16, 59:18,     73:11.             65:11.             2:18, 3:3.
  64:16,          list 2:7.          luxury 76:7.       massive
  70:19.          listed 10:21,      Lyft 54:12,          71:16.
leave 75:6.         36:9.              55:11.           materially
legal 51:13,      Literally 7:6,     lying 6:25.          12:17, 33:24,
  51:25,            74:14.           Lynn 65:7.           34:8.
  52:20.          litigated          .                  matter 5:12,
legalese            29:3.            .                    5:14, 5:18,
  18:17.          Litigation         < M >.               8:19, 13:2,
less 17:1,          37:20.           Magistrate 6:7,      14:4, 21:15,
  18:18, 19:4,    little 2:14,         28:8, 28:12,       36:4, 37:8,
  19:20, 33:5,      6:17, 65:19,       29:9, 29:14,       38:19, 41:17,
  41:22, 43:25,     68:6, 68:7.        71:3,              64:17,
  44:18,          lives 67:16.         71:22.             76:24.
  44:20.          living 65:6.       mail 9:22,         matters 41:11,
lessening         loans 35:11.         21:5, 21:7,        76:7.
  65:16.          located              33:14, 49:24,    maximum 36:17,
letter 7:9,         12:23.             51:8, 52:14,       36:19,
  7:12, 7:15,     locations 11:6,      61:23.             36:23.
  15:3, 15:12,      52:24, 53:2,     mailed 10:25,      Mcmillan
  22:17, 22:25,     53:8, 57:21,       57:17,             63:22.
  23:1, 23:5,       58:1.              57:21.           mean 27:19.
  30:4, 30:6,     long 40:5,         mailing 11:5.      Meaning 7:24,
  30:11, 31:4,      44:18.           mails 33:25.         38:1, 40:1.
  31:7, 31:11,    longer 65:12,      main 32:5.         means 5:25,
  31:17, 32:10,     67:6.            maintained           10:10, 12:17,
  32:11, 33:20,   look 11:15,          70:4.              12:20, 15:22,
  36:17, 37:10,     29:7,            major 72:23.         16:13, 16:25,
  39:14, 40:9,      68:13.           man 72:1.            17:7, 17:8,
  41:14, 45:22,   Looking 30:10,     mandatory            17:12, 18:17,
  59:23.            32:9.              39:21,             33:23, 34:7,
level 16:10,      lose 34:22,          39:22.             44:8, 50:2.
  17:4, 17:5,       34:23, 34:24,    March 9:4,         meant 63:15.
  21:20, 22:9,      35:9,              28:8, 28:11,     Medard 2:4,
  22:22, 41:14,     35:12.             28:13, 28:21,      4:18, 10:9,
  41:16.          loss 36:21.          29:2, 63:9,        24:8, 51:4.
levels 18:22,     Losses 59:19.        72:17.           MEDARD ULYSSE
  22:20.          Lost 9:9, 9:11,    margin 19:18.        1:10.
licenses            11:14,           marijuana          medication

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  14:9, 26:7,     moments 21:4,        4:13.              26:4.
  26:9.             49:18,           MR. MARTIN         narcotics
meet 62:7.          50:15.             4:14.              54:18.
meets 9:16.       Monday 5:23,       Ms 3:1, 3:13,      naturalized
member 3:11,        68:12.             3:17, 3:19,        35:5.
  25:21, 34:2,    monetary             3:22, 3:24,      nature 13:16,
  50:3, 53:17,      8:25.              5:14, 14:5,        19:24, 40:11,
  54:1, 55:13,    money 10:13,         14:22, 20:9,       61:14.
  55:22.            12:17, 20:2,       23:4, 23:6,      necessarily
members 8:2,        27:23, 33:23,      24:1, 24:22,       73:10,
  20:1, 27:17,      34:7, 50:2,        30:7, 30:8,        76:14.
  51:11, 51:16,     51:12, 51:15,      31:17, 43:5,     necessary 14:6,
  53:15,            51:25, 53:21,      43:6, 62:4,        41:1,
  57:8.             54:5, 54:6,        62:17,             52:19.
memoranda           55:17,             62:20.           need 5:3,
  62:21.            57:5.            MS. CUSSON           19:23, 27:8,
memorandum        monitor              3:15, 3:18.        32:1, 68:17,
  63:1.             67:20.           multiple             76:12.
mental 26:4.      monitored            59:12.           needed 20:2,
mentioned           38:14.           multiply             27:20, 51:25,
  25:14, 38:11,   monitoring           71:25.             53:21, 54:4,
  67:13.            65:10,           multistep            55:17.
merchandise         65:13.             40:22.           needs 65:12.
  10:13,          month 37:18.       music 69:23.       neither
  57:5.           months 15:4,       mystified            19:12.
mercifully          15:20, 15:24,      6:17.            nervous 68:7.
  72:9.             16:3, 16:14,     .                  New 27:20,
Miami 8:23,         17:2, 17:9,      .                    27:23, 58:23,
  51:4.             17:13, 17:14,    < N >.               68:14.
mile 67:18.         19:5, 19:20,     name 7:20,         newest 3:11.
million             32:14, 32:16,      9:23, 11:17,     Nice 3:9, 3:13,
  37:13.            32:19, 39:9,       12:12, 12:24,      3:17, 4:9,
minimum 16:16,      40:6, 41:22,       24:7, 57:17,       4:15, 4:20.
  67:5,             42:15, 43:15,      58:10, 58:17,    Nicole 5:9,
  72:15.            43:21, 43:24,      58:20, 58:22,      43:4, 62:4.
minute 7:11,        44:7, 44:9,        59:1, 59:3,      No. 1:9, 5:22,
  21:18, 64:12,     44:19, 44:21,      59:6,              8:10, 31:18,
  72:18,            70:22,             59:10.             75:10,
  74:8.             72:11.           namely 12:22.        75:14.
minutes 7:7,      morning 54:9.      names 10:14,       normal 43:22.
  23:14.          mother 27:17.        10:22, 10:25,    normally
misrepresentati   motion 29:3,         11:3, 11:5,        26:10.
  ons 6:23.         29:8.              11:12, 11:21,    Northern
mistaken          move 6:20,           11:24, 48:24,      63:23.
  45:25.            56:20.             49:1, 57:6,      NORTHERN
mistakes          movies 72:8.         57:15, 57:21,      DIVISION
  71:8.           moving 3:2,          58:7, 58:15,       1:3.
modifications       23:13,             59:12,           note 2:15, 5:5,
  60:2.             23:14.             59:17.             15:2, 21:12,
modify 62:20.     MR. BENDER         narcotic             37:8, 43:6,

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  50:20, 64:7,      55:6.              62:13.             40:17,
  70:13.          obtain 10:10,      officer 5:6,         40:18.
noted 36:16,        10:12, 12:24,      5:7, 5:8,        opportunity
  39:21, 40:20,     33:23, 34:7,       43:3, 51:22,       62:11.
  41:13,            56:24,             54:19, 54:23,    opposed
  50:10.            57:5.              55:1, 55:3,        72:13.
notes 36:8,       obtained 10:12,      55:7, 62:8,      opposing
  37:10, 41:11,     52:21, 57:5,       63:21, 63:22,      62:23.
  42:2, 44:17,      58:1.              72:9.            order 12:23,
  45:7.           obtaining          Official             37:9, 47:3,
nothing             50:2.              76:28.             52:2, 52:7,
  67:13.          obviously 18:4,    often 52:1.          52:9, 52:23,
notice 20:14,       20:14, 25:25,    Okay 4:1, 8:13,      53:23, 57:1,
  20:15, 23:9,      37:18,             8:20, 32:7,        62:16, 62:25,
  28:10.            41:23.             76:2.              63:5.
notification      occasion 30:19,    old 53:18,         ordered 6:5,
  20:7.             64:5.              54:3,              37:17.
notified 5:19,    occasions            54:14.           ordering
  5:24, 20:3,       71:23.           once 41:6,           71:12.
  20:6, 20:7,     occupant             54:6.            original 15:2,
  20:23.            52:6.            one 3:19, 13:6,      19:24, 23:5,
notify 62:23.     occurred 51:15,      15:23, 21:2,       30:6,
notifying           68:1.              22:14, 32:7,       30:10.
  19:25,          October 15:16,       32:8, 33:20,     originally
  20:10.            15:17, 45:24,      44:13, 45:25,      69:19.
November 11:9,      76:9.              47:4, 49:25,     others 10:15,
  33:18, 58:5,    off-duty             53:3, 60:8,        11:7, 11:21,
  59:7, 62:17,      72:9.              60:24, 66:19,      20:9, 37:12,
  62:21.          offend 69:4.         67:14, 71:3,       47:3, 51:7,
number 2:5,       offense 8:4,         71:25, 72:13,      52:11, 56:4,
  7:14, 14:2,       16:10, 17:4,       72:18,             56:23, 59:16,
  61:10,            18:22, 21:15,      75:23.             73:1.
  61:11.            21:20, 22:2,     one-count 8:8,     overnight
numbers 10:22,      22:9, 22:21,       11:25, 24:25,      52:13.
  57:15.            34:3, 34:12,       50:5, 50:20,     own 9:3, 27:9,
.                   34:16, 40:11,      50:25, 56:16,      27:12, 27:13,
.                   41:15, 49:22,      61:25.             33:9, 42:19,
< O >.              50:12.           one-third            47:13, 47:15,
o'clock           offenses 33:10,      43:24.             76:15.
  62:15.            34:18, 34:22,    open 21:14,        .
oath 6:22,          35:18, 36:18,      21:18.           .
  23:11, 23:13,     38:1, 61:21,     opened 53:8,       < P >.
  23:18, 24:2,      61:22, 64:9,       53:10.           p.m. 2:1,
  25:11,            71:20.           opening              76:20.
  71:20.          Office 1:29,         55:24.           PA 1:36.
objections          3:14, 4:7,       operative          pace 3:2.
  43:6, 43:8,       7:7, 18:22,        7:10.            package 53:24,
  62:10, 62:18,     19:16, 37:21,    opinion 16:21,       54:7, 54:21,
  62:19.            38:14, 42:5,       39:16.             55:9, 55:12,
obstruction         62:5,            opinions 39:11,      55:19, 55:22,

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  55:24,            47:13.             74:12,           places 30:21,
  56:1.           partial 39:7.        76:1.              68:14.
packages 53:7,    participants       per 37:18.         Plaintiff 1:7,
  53:8, 53:10,      2:24.            percent              1:25.
  54:9,           participate          27:25.           plead 5:25,
  54:13.            46:13.           period 28:14,        14:17, 24:15,
page 30:12,       participated         37:18, 63:8,       24:16, 24:18,
  30:17.            34:13,             63:17.             24:20, 31:2,
paid 65:3,          50:8.            periodic             33:7, 46:4,
  69:2.           participation        10:3.              60:19, 60:22,
Pandemic 9:5,       53:16.           perjury 6:25,        60:24, 68:4,
  9:7, 9:8,       particular           23:18, 23:23,      68:5,
  11:14,            39:19, 51:16,      25:16.             68:10.
  11:15.            52:13.           permit 62:8,       pleading 21:1,
panel 14:3.       parties 40:6.        69:24, 69:25,      29:17, 33:9,
panicked 72:6,    parts 23:14,         71:1.              34:16, 45:13,
  72:13.            23:15.           permits              46:5, 49:23,
paper 5:22,       party 32:12,         35:10.             50:12, 59:25,
  8:10.             32:14, 32:20,    perpetration         71:20.
paperwork           65:12.             50:9.            pleas 35:13,
  14:6.           passed 45:9,       persist 46:8.        38:24, 46:8,
Paragraph 12:3,     54:17.           person 11:22,        50:18, 50:22,
  15:3, 15:11,    past 35:17,          33:20, 49:25,      61:7, 61:13,
  15:18, 16:22,     56:18,             54:15, 58:13,      61:15, 61:16,
  21:13, 22:16,     71:23.             65:24,             61:19,
  32:11, 33:19,   pay 37:17,           72:10.             67:4.
  36:7, 36:9,       37:19, 51:13,    personal 13:3,     Please 3:5,
  36:16, 37:9,      52:20, 55:18,      40:10.             24:3, 24:7,
  39:13, 40:9,      64:18,           persons 11:24,       28:3, 60:1,
  41:10, 41:13,     68:17.             20:22,             70:18.
  41:21, 42:2,    payment 37:24,       49:5.            pleased
  42:7, 42:14,      38:2.            persuaded            70:23.
  44:17, 45:6,    payments 9:1,        51:9.            pled 65:21,
  45:19,            37:21, 53:15,    phone 27:17,         72:2.
  45:21.            57:24,             53:19, 54:3,     plexiglass
paragraphs          58:1.              54:15, 54:16,      2:22.
  12:1, 36:6,     penalties            54:17,           pockets 28:3.
  41:13,            23:18,             55:15.           point 6:12,
  56:18.            36:23.           physically 6:5,      14:11, 14:12,
parameters        penalty              73:24.             18:7, 38:6,
  16:21.            36:19.           pick 67:18.          38:9, 39:23,
Parcel 52:14,     pending 70:5.      pictures             40:22, 44:24,
  52:15.          Pennsylvania         57:3.              45:2, 64:6,
Pardon 29:22,       53:1, 55:18,     pique 69:18.         68:21, 71:13,
  64:21.            55:23.           place 6:22,          74:2, 75:8,
parole 35:17,     people 3:3,          23:11.             75:12.
  35:19, 43:19,     8:3, 46:9,       placed 23:18,      police 51:21,
  43:25, 44:12,     49:4, 53:6,        31:19, 32:2,       54:18, 54:19,
  44:14.            53:11, 58:15,      32:8, 52:9,        54:23, 55:1,
part 11:8,          69:6, 72:14,       69:22.             55:3, 55:7,

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  72:9.           presented            35:19, 38:14,      36:6, 36:9,
policies            69:7.              42:5, 43:3,        56:25, 57:6,
  2:15.           presentence          62:5, 62:8,        68:13,
portion 32:7.       42:4, 43:2,        62:13, 63:21,      68:14.
pose 65:24.         43:4, 62:3,        63:22.           prosecute
posed 52:2.         62:9,            problem 67:20,       23:23.
posing 51:21.       62:13.             68:16.           prosecuted
position 19:12,   presiding          procedural 2:8,      6:24,
  29:16,            2:18.              5:17, 6:11,        25:15.
  69:8.           presume              6:17, 7:3,       prosecution
positive            40:21.             23:9.              13:21,
  64:5.           presumed           Procedure            25:15.
possess             46:17.             15:22.           prove 46:19,
  42:19.          pretenses          proceed 5:22,        48:13, 48:15,
possibility         10:11, 12:18,      13:22, 14:5,       48:16,
  21:19, 27:1,      33:24, 34:8,       26:13,             50:17.
  35:18,            50:3, 50:7,        66:8.            provide 9:2,
  39:2.             51:12,           proceeding 8:6,      54:12,
possible 38:23,     56:25.             66:10.             55:11.
  73:14.          pretrial           Proceedings        provided 8:25,
Postal 51:10,       65:13.             1:16, 20:3,        10:25,
  52:14.          pretty 66:23.        31:19, 66:8,       57:18.
postponed         Previously           76:20,           provides 32:11,
  15:15,            5:15, 39:20,       76:24.             62:25.
  46:1.             68:23,           proceeds 3:20,     provisions
postponements       70:13.             13:4,              39:22.
  76:10.          Prior 9:17,          53:11.           public 2:16,
posture 6:12,       9:19,            process 5:20,        3:11, 35:10,
  7:3, 8:17,        47:24.             39:5, 40:23,       35:11.
  23:9, 38:6.     priority             41:3,            pull 2:25,
postures 2:8.       52:14.             43:22.             5:3.
potential 22:8,   prison 37:7,       proffer            pulled 2:19,
  43:24.            38:16, 67:5,       20:25.             2:20.
potentially         70:19, 72:4,     proffering         purported
  32:18.            72:12,             21:3, 21:5.        54:19, 54:23,
Pratt 1:37.         72:16.           Program 8:24,        55:1, 55:3,
predecessor       private              9:8, 9:9,          55:7,
  12:12.            51:11.             11:15,             55:18.
predicate         privilege            11:16.           purpose 12:4,
  56:13.            47:18.           programs 9:5.        50:1.
preliminary       probable 7:19,     prominent          purposes 31:18,
  8:5.              7:24, 7:25,        25:21.             33:21,
prepaid 9:23,       8:3.             promises 10:11,      52:19.
  12:24.          probably 19:23,      12:18, 31:1,     pursuant 9:21,
prepare 43:4.       74:5.              33:25.             40:23,
prepared 43:2,    Probation 5:6,     pronouncing          42:7.
  50:17,            5:7, 5:8,          7:20.            pursued
  62:4.             16:12, 17:19,    property 10:10,      64:15.
Present 1:41,       17:25, 18:22,      10:13, 13:3,     put 44:14,
  4:18.             19:15, 35:17,      27:21, 36:5,       48:3, 48:8,

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 48:9, 71:1,      25:25, 34:9,       recovered            63:18, 64:3,
 73:18,           56:11, 59:22,        59:10.             66:15, 67:7,
 75:21.           62:9.              recruited            69:18, 69:22,
.               ready 23:11.           53:6.              71:18, 72:2,
.               real 11:22,          refer 51:18,         72:3,
< Q >.            11:24, 13:3,         62:12.             74:18.
question 14:14,   58:13,             reference 7:16,    released 29:4,
  25:19, 65:18,   58:15.               12:2, 12:8.        29:5,
  67:21,        realities            referenced 7:8,      54:21.
  76:10.          74:4.                7:15, 16:22,     relevant 20:8,
questioned      Really 16:15,          17:6, 30:3,        61:14.
  47:24.          16:20, 16:21,        39:12,           remain 41:12.
questions         18:10, 27:10,        40:8.            remaining
  25:14,          27:16, 63:3,       references           64:9.
  25:19.          67:2, 70:23,         7:13,            remains 41:17,
quick 3:2.        71:23,               15:18.             41:24.
Quinta 53:18.     73:22.             referring          rendered 39:20,
quite 69:13,    reason 21:19,          22:11.             39:24.
  73:8.           61:5, 70:1.        reflect 6:4,       report 42:5,
.               reasonable             13:11, 59:22,      43:2, 43:5,
.                 40:22, 46:19,        71:17.             43:9, 43:16,
< R >.            48:13, 48:17,      reflected            62:4, 62:6,
R.B. 58:20,       59:19.               15:4.              62:13, 62:17,
  59:1.         reasons              regard 48:18,        62:20, 62:21,
R.S. 55:15.       70:11.               64:16, 67:13,      64:7.
raise 24:3,     recall 71:25.          69:8.            Reporter 1:45,
  70:10.        receive 9:18.        registered           3:1, 76:28.
range 16:3,     received 2:21,         74:6.            reports 62:9.
  16:8, 16:18,    5:16, 9:17,        regular 35:8,      represent 6:3,
  18:2, 18:3,     9:25, 26:17,         62:16, 62:25,      14:1, 14:3,
  18:6, 40:22,    54:15.               63:5.              25:22.
  40:24, 41:4,  receiving            Regulation         representation
  43:1.           49:6.                12:7.              27:6, 50:16,
rather 30:10,   recently 26:3,       related 19:25,       56:25, 66:6,
  66:4, 68:2,     64:7.                67:22.             66:19.
  68:6, 74:3.   recommend 18:2,      relates 18:11,     representations
RDB-21-0054       18:8, 19:18,         39:10, 50:23,      10:11, 12:18,
  7:14,           42:14.               50:25.             33:24.
  61:11.        recommendation       relative           represented
RDB-22 2:5.       18:5.                51:23.             49:2, 68:4,
RDB-22-0335     reconsideration      relatives            68:5.
  24:17,          29:4, 29:8.          51:13,           representing
  61:11.        record 3:5,            52:2.              4:18.
re-arraignment    6:4, 13:11,        release 2:12,      request 16:18,
  5:19, 5:21,     24:7, 33:1,          6:16, 6:19,        45:15, 45:17,
  14:18.          47:25, 59:22,        23:17, 29:10,      46:1.
reached 15:4,     70:14,               29:11, 29:13,    require 2:16.
  15:19.          76:24.               29:16, 36:20,    required 14:14,
read 8:13,      recordings             36:24, 37:19,      37:3, 48:15,
  8:18, 12:1,     53:9.                38:12, 38:15,      49:5,

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  62:22.          resulting 16:8,    role 21:14,        school 25:23.
requirements        41:14,             22:2.            Schulman
  9:16.             59:18.           room 71:8.           1:36.
requiring         retain 6:1,        route 71:4.        Scott 63:20.
  52:9.             6:4, 27:9,       RPR 1:45,          seal 31:19,
reside 51:17.       27:12,             76:22.             31:22, 31:25,
resident 8:22,      27:24.           Rule 15:21,          32:2, 32:4,
  51:4.           retaining            16:21,             32:8.
residential         27:13.             19:2.            sealed 32:5.
  52:24, 53:2,    retrial 47:6.      Rules 15:22.       Sean 3:6, 30:5,
  53:8.           retrieval          rulings              50:16.
respect 8:23,       54:13,             19:16.           Sean Delaney
  13:2, 15:2,       55:12.           run 64:10.           1:27.
  20:12, 22:16,   retrieve 30:8,     .                  search 59:10.
  30:14, 31:14,     55:22.           .                  seated 4:2,
  37:21, 37:25,   retrieving         < S >.               50:14,
  39:6, 42:8,       53:6.            S. 1:30.             64:12.
  44:16, 45:22,   return 5:20,       sale 53:3.         Second 2:6,
  50:6, 60:6,       31:16, 40:14,    satisfied            2:21, 3:19,
  60:8, 61:20,      71:2.              26:12, 27:5,       7:4, 8:7,
  64:2,           returned 28:5,       27:15, 27:25,      13:6, 25:24,
  66:14.            54:7, 56:6.        29:24, 31:6,       40:18, 45:25,
respected         returns 25:3.        31:10, 38:22,      60:8.
  75:20.          review 30:19,        39:1,            secrecy 52:9.
respective          40:4, 43:6,        61:18.           Section 3:11,
  26:25.            43:7,            saying 3:3,          3:16, 21:8,
respectively        74:19.             27:11, 27:18,      21:10, 22:3,
  54:11.          reviewing            74:13.             35:11, 40:8,
response 9:4,       42:4.            says 12:6,           61:24, 62:2,
  58:19, 58:24,   Richard 4:18,        16:12.             65:20, 73:4,
  59:5.             30:5.            scam 60:9.           73:21.
responsibility    Richard Bardos     schedule           sections
  69:8.             1:35.              66:17.             39:20.
responsible       Richard D.         scheduled 5:12,    Security 10:22,
  37:12.            Bennett            5:14, 5:18,        57:15.
restitution         1:17.              15:15.           seek 45:10,
  36:5, 37:8,     ride 54:12,        scheme 10:5,         45:14.
  37:9, 37:11,      55:11.             10:6, 10:9,      seeking
  37:14, 37:22,   Rights 20:22,        11:8, 12:5,        45:15.
  37:24,            34:22, 35:9,       33:23, 34:7,     seem 76:3.
  38:6.             44:16, 45:8,       34:12, 34:14,    seeming
result 11:20,       45:9, 45:21,       34:15, 50:2,       69:23.
  27:13, 35:24,     48:17, 49:19,      50:7, 50:8,      seen 8:11,
  36:21, 42:17,     49:20.             50:23, 50:25,      16:23, 41:17,
  56:2, 57:22,    rise 56:13.          51:18, 53:12,      41:24,
  58:3, 58:12,    risk 67:9,           53:16, 56:3,       71:23.
  59:14,            70:2,              56:11, 56:19,    selected
  70:18.            73:23.             56:24, 57:1,       46:10.
resulted 50:10,   rob 72:7.            59:15,           selection
  56:7.           robbery 72:1.        60:12.             46:13.

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self-incriminat     63:12, 63:18,      28:15.             52:4.
  ion 47:18.        70:6,            Sheriff 59:9.      somewhere
sell 27:21,         72:17.           shifts 48:14,        42:15.
  68:14.          September 23rd       65:22.           son 67:15,
senate 64:23,       1:18.            shopping 2:7.        67:17.
  65:1.           serious 52:4,      shortest           sorry 2:5,
send 52:3,          67:2, 68:17,       71:4.              3:23, 4:3,
  52:12, 53:21,     76:7.            shot 72:10.          16:2, 16:6,
  54:4, 54:20,    seriousness        show 67:11,          17:23, 22:13,
  55:1, 55:7,       69:12.             71:24.             22:15, 22:18,
  55:17, 55:25,   serve 44:13.       side 62:18,          28:4, 39:13,
  56:5, 71:5.     served 28:19,        62:22.             60:14, 61:2,
sends 51:9.         38:17, 49:3,     sides 44:21.         63:12,
Senior 63:22.       70:22, 72:16,    sign 62:16,          63:16.
sent 38:16,         73:12,             63:5.            sounds 12:21,
  51:15, 52:16,     75:4.            signals 12:21,       57:3.
  52:25, 53:9,    Service 51:10,       57:3,            space 73:11.
  53:24, 54:7,      52:13, 52:14,      70:24.           speaking 4:11,
  54:10, 54:21,     52:15.           signature            5:4, 75:16.
  55:9, 55:18,    services 29:25,      30:12,           Special 1:41,
  55:22,            61:18,             30:15.             1:42, 4:5,
  70:24.            65:13.           signed 30:20,        4:7, 37:2.
sentenced 17:1,   set 12:18,           30:24,           specific 72:1,
  33:5, 71:13,      25:1, 29:10,       32:23.             74:3.
  72:2.             30:4, 31:3,      significantly      Specifically
sentences           33:17, 33:19,      16:5.              12:3, 15:18,
  36:18,            36:6, 38:13,     signs 12:21.         20:16, 34:10,
  40:11.            45:21, 45:24,    similarly            37:10, 40:20,
Sentencing          61:22,             40:12.             45:7, 45:22,
  25:3, 39:6,       71:2.            simple 17:8,         48:6, 48:10,
  39:12, 39:24,   sets 31:7,           18:12, 18:16,      48:12, 51:8,
  40:15, 41:2,      31:11.             19:1, 64:9.        57:4, 58:5,
  42:14, 62:5,    setting 5:21.      simply 18:25.        60:21.
  62:12, 62:14,   seven 72:13.       situated           specified
  62:16, 62:21,   seven-count          40:12.             53:7.
  62:25, 63:1,      21:3.            situation          spent 41:5.
  63:5, 75:4,     several 9:5,         14:15, 26:24,    spirit 76:13.
  75:5.             25:15,             52:4, 52:9,      spoke 74:10,
separate 6:24,      37:25.             69:2, 69:14,       74:13.
  7:14, 38:19,    severally            71:21.           St. 55:14.
  42:22.            37:11.           six 11:12,         stalling
separately        shall 13:3.          44:7, 58:8,        66:14.
  47:2.           share 38:1,          70:22,           stand 60:1,
separation          52:11, 54:12,      72:13.             70:17.
  9:17.             55:11.           skip 56:18.        stands 76:18.
September 5:23,   She'll 43:5,       Social 10:22,      start 45:24,
  7:18, 28:17,      43:7,              57:15.             75:23.
  28:24, 29:3,      62:20.           solitary           started 41:6.
  29:6, 29:7,     sheet 5:12,          73:18.           starting 6:6,
  29:10, 29:13,     5:13,            sometimes            40:22.

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starts 69:23.     stop 25:20,          66:11.           table 3:10,
State 8:24,         51:24.           Suite 1:37.          70:11.
  10:20, 10:23,   stopped 59:8.      summarize          talks 66:16.
  11:19, 20:14,   stops 64:3.          50:16, 56:15,    telephone
  24:7, 43:22,    story 72:5.          68:1.              52:11.
  43:23, 57:14,   straight           summarized         telephoned
  57:23, 58:11,     75:16.             6:11, 38:5,        51:20.
  63:10, 64:13,   straighten           49:23, 56:12,    temporary 9:2,
  64:15, 70:11,     2:13.              56:20, 59:22,      28:9.
  75:3.           Street 1:30,         60:17.           temptations
stated 53:20,       1:37.            summarizing          71:15.
  55:16.          strong 66:2,         56:18.           ten 74:12.
statement           71:12.           summary 17:14,     tens 52:1,
  60:3.           strongly             56:10, 60:5,       52:21.
statements          70:25.             60:12.           terms 16:24,
  23:23,          stuff 27:22,       supervised           18:16, 19:1,
  25:16.            68:17.             36:20, 36:24,      19:17, 21:16,
States 1:1,       subject 40:3,        37:19, 38:12,      32:20, 41:17,
  1:5, 1:29,        43:23, 47:23,      38:15.             41:23, 43:15,
  2:4, 3:7,         74:18.           supervising          65:22, 67:2,
  21:8, 33:17,    submit 9:12.         63:21.             72:25,
  39:15, 39:17,   submitted 9:14,    supplement           74:3.
  39:18, 40:19,     10:17, 57:10,      32:5.            testified
  50:15, 51:10,     58:20, 58:25,    supplements          48:8.
  51:21, 52:14,     59:5,              30:11,           testify 47:14,
  61:10, 61:24,     59:16.             30:15.             47:15, 47:23,
  62:1, 63:23,    submitting         supported            48:3, 48:9,
  65:20,            10:13, 11:3,       61:19.             48:22,
  73:4.             57:6,            supposed 27:16,      49:6.
status 2:24,        57:19.             67:12, 71:24,    testing 64:5.
  64:11,          subpoenas            74:9.            THE CLERK
  64:12.            48:21, 49:3,     Supreme 39:11,       14:24, 24:6,
statute 37:4.       49:6.              39:16, 39:17,      24:9, 24:11,
stays 18:15.      subsequently         39:21,             24:13, 24:17,
stenographic        10:1.              40:20.             24:21,
  76:23.          substantial        surrender            24:23.
step 71:18,         56:7.              71:13, 72:4,     theft 10:14,
  75:5.           substantially        73:7, 75:2.        11:4, 11:12,
steps 66:11.        16:14,           sustaining           57:7, 58:8,
stickler            56:11.             61:20.             59:17.
  63:3.           sudden 71:25.      sworn. 24:4.       themselves 3:4,
stipulate         suddenly 66:15,    system 20:7,         52:2.
  36:8.             69:21,             20:19, 43:19,    therein 12:2.
stipulated          69:22.             43:22, 44:1,     thereto 30:12,
  41:21.          suffice              44:13.             30:15,
stipulation         65:19.           .                    31:11.
  50:22,          sufficient         .                  they'll 4:10.
  56:15.            9:17, 41:1,      < T >.             they've 20:7.
stipulations        65:13.           T. 1:45,           third 44:13,
  41:11.          suggested            76:27.             65:12.

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thousands 51:9,   toward 72:19.        76:6,              38:23,
  52:1,           traceable            76:14.             69:11.
  52:21.            13:4.            Tuesday 69:8,      Unemployed 9:3,
threat 73:23,     tracker              69:13.             9:9.
  73:24.            65:11.           turned 29:2,       uninsurance
threaten          traffic              72:8.              10:2.
  33:6.             51:24.           turns 66:9.        Unit 37:20.
three 21:2,       transactions       twice 36:21.       United 1:1,
  22:19, 36:20,     11:11,           two 15:4,            1:5, 1:29,
  36:24, 40:19,     58:6.              15:24, 20:4,       2:4, 3:7,
  44:9,           Transcript           22:19, 30:21,      21:8, 39:15,
  72:10.            1:16,              39:11, 39:19,      39:17, 39:18,
throughout          76:23.             40:17, 40:18,      40:19, 50:15,
  51:21.          translate            43:25, 44:9,       51:10, 51:21,
thrust 16:15.       44:9.              54:13, 63:3,       52:14, 52:15,
Title 40:8.       transmit             63:19, 64:17,      61:10, 61:24,
today 2:6,          12:19.             64:23, 65:1,       62:1, 63:23,
  2:24, 5:10,     transmitted          65:21, 71:4,       65:20,
  6:6, 7:13,        12:20,             76:10.             73:4.
  15:16, 23:16,     57:3.            types 40:12.       unknown 51:7,
  26:10, 34:22,   transportation     typically            56:23.
  38:24, 39:3,      54:12,             51:23.           unlawful 33:21,
  41:6, 46:6,       55:12.           Tyson 5:14,          49:25.
  50:12, 62:17,   travel 64:3,         14:5, 14:22,     unless 47:14.
  63:6, 64:8,       67:17.             23:4, 23:6,      unreasonablenes
  66:3, 66:24,    treated 26:3.        24:1, 24:22,       s 40:4.
  68:20, 70:14,   trial 3:21,          30:7, 30:8,      until 28:16,
  70:23, 71:1,      6:17, 15:14,       31:17.             28:22, 29:3,
  71:18, 74:5,      15:15, 15:17,    .                    43:1,
  75:23.            18:15, 20:4,     .                    71:14.
took 7:7,           27:1, 45:23,     < U >.             upheld 39:18.
  66:11,            46:6, 46:9,      ultimately         UPS 54:8,
  67:18.            46:16, 47:22,      28:20, 41:17,      54:11, 55:10,
top 16:24,          48:3, 49:10,       43:9.              72:23.
  17:2, 17:5,       49:18, 49:19,    un 11:16.          using 12:24.
  19:1, 19:13,      49:20, 50:17,    unanimous          utilized 54:11,
  19:18, 33:3,      66:14, 70:5,       46:23,             55:11,
  66:19.            76:9.              47:4.              58:21.
total 15:6,       tried 33:6,        unauthorized       .
  15:24, 16:21,     69:1, 72:7.        64:3.            .
  17:3, 18:21,    Troy 63:20.        underlying         < V >.
  21:20, 22:21,   true 18:6,           14:1.            V. 18:25,
  41:15,            72:5.            understandable       39:17.
  56:5.           truthfully           5:11.            vacant 53:2.
Totally 6:23,       25:19.           understanding      vaccinate
  23:22, 38:19,   Try 73:18.           8:6, 20:6,         2:21.
  67:3, 71:10,    trying 3:20,         22:20,           vaccinated
  71:19,            27:24, 67:24,      68:10.             2:19, 3:7,
  72:6.             67:25, 69:15,    understands          4:12, 5:1.
touch 20:5.         72:22, 73:18,      18:13, 18:18,    vaccination

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  2:23.             55:25.             45:7, 45:20,       36:23, 37:14,
Valdosta          view 14:12,          45:22,             41:16, 50:6,
  59:8.             18:7, 38:6,        49:11.             57:4, 60:25,
valuable            38:9, 39:7,      wall 2:22.           61:2, 62:1.
  34:22.            44:25, 45:2,     wanted 6:1,        wires 34:14,
variance            55:25, 70:24,      27:9, 48:25,       50:10.
  21:25.            75:8,              66:12,           wish 24:14,
variation           75:13.             69:14.             24:18,
  71:4.           violate            wanting              60:19.
various 52:19,      38:15.             66:16.           withdraw 15:25,
  59:17.          violated           wants 66:22.         19:6, 58:3,
vehicle 52:5,       64:6.            warning              58:17, 58:22,
  59:8,           violating 64:2,      70:24.             59:3.
  59:10.            67:23.           warrant            withdrawal
verbatim 8:18,    violation 21:8,      66:25.             12:22.
  10:6,             35:19, 42:22,    Washington         within 7:18,
  59:23.            61:24, 62:1,       54:3.              16:21.
verdict 46:23,      63:20, 63:25,    wavered            without 7:25,
  47:4.             64:1, 71:5.        69:15.             38:16, 67:23,
versus 2:4,       violations         wearing 2:23.        68:15,
  40:18,            67:13.           week 5:15,           76:9.
  61:10.          virtual 29:9.        5:23, 63:4,      witness 47:19,
via 52:13,        Visa 9:23,           66:4, 67:23,       47:20.
  53:24, 54:8,      12:24.             68:1, 68:2,      witnesses 27:1,
  54:22,          voluntarily          68:24.             47:10, 47:11,
  55:10.            47:15,           weekend              48:21, 48:25,
victim 11:5,        71:12.             68:11.             62:23.
  11:17, 11:20,   voluntary          weeks 46:3,        woman 55:14.
  20:13, 51:13,     61:19,             46:7,            Wonneman 5:9,
  51:22, 51:23,     72:3.              66:15.             43:4, 62:4,
  52:2, 52:3,     vote 34:24.        Welcome 3:17,        62:17,
  52:10, 52:12,   vs 1:8.              4:9, 4:10,         62:20.
  57:14,          .                    24:23.           word 5:16.
  58:10.          .                  Whatever 14:6,     wording 17:7.
Victims 10:14,    < W >.               18:3, 44:4.      work 10:20,
  10:22, 11:4,    Wages 9:9,         wheelchair           10:23,
  11:12, 19:25,     9:17, 11:14,       72:11.             57:23.
  20:2, 20:5,       37:7.            whether 2:10,      workers 9:2.
  20:6, 20:10,    wait 71:14.          8:3, 17:19,      workforce
  20:13, 20:16,   waiting 76:8.        65:18, 65:22,      11:19, 57:14,
  20:18, 20:22,   waive 44:17,         66:3.              57:16,
  23:9, 51:9,       44:20,           whole 26:24.         58:12.
  51:21, 52:8,      44:21.           whom 48:25.        works 44:2.
  52:16, 52:17,   waived 13:20,      wiggle 71:8.       worn 2:16.
  52:22, 56:4,      45:19,           willfully 34:2,    worse 74:15,
  56:6, 56:8,       49:18.             34:13, 50:8,       76:15.
  57:7, 58:8,     waiver 13:20,        57:2.            wound 72:12.
  59:17.            14:7, 14:22,     wire 8:9, 12:1,    write 25:25.
video 53:9,         23:10, 40:5,       12:20, 21:9,     writing
  55:24,            44:19, 45:1,       34:5, 34:11,       12:21.

    Case 1:21-cr-00054-RDB Document 204 Filed 04/20/23 Page 100 of 100
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writings
  57:2.
written 26:19,
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< Y >.
year 24:11,
  25:24, 27:21,
  28:6, 30:4,
  43:25, 44:5,
  45:12, 63:18,
  64:1, 64:2,
  66:15, 66:16,
  69:19, 69:20,
  69:21, 72:19,
  76:8.
years 15:21,
  18:19, 33:5,
  36:19, 36:20,
  36:24, 39:12,
  40:19, 43:22,
  43:25, 44:7,
  44:9, 53:18,
  54:2, 54:14,
  67:5, 70:19,
  72:13,
  72:15.
yelling 76:4.
yesterday
  2:22.
yo-yo 68:6.
York 58:23.
yourself
  73:1.
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< Z >.
Zoom 5:21,
  5:22, 5:25,
  66:8, 66:10,
  68:21.

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