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Transcript of jury trial proceedings, Volume 7 (PM session), in United States v. Carla Jackson and Teldrin Foster, Docket No. 1:20-CR-00296-JPB, U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Georgia, Atlanta Division, before United States District Judge Boulee on February 13, 2024, Document 1030. The court asks Defendant Foster about the decision whether to testify, and Foster answers that the decision is not to testify. Mr. Marshall, counsel for Jackson, then calls John Gaines as a witness, and the court discusses Fifth Amendment rights with Gaines. The index lists the examinations of John Gaines and the further redirect and further recross of Joseph Stites.

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 1                        UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                     FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA
 2                             ATLANTA DIVISION

 3
 4   UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,        )
                                      )
 5                                    )
         -VS-                         ) DOCKET NO. 1:20-CR-00296-JPB
 6                                    ) VOLUME 7 (PM SESSION)
     CARLA JACKSON AND                )
 7   TELDRIN FOSTER,                  )
                                      )
 8              DEFENDANTS.           )

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                     TRANSCRIPT OF JURY TRIAL PROCEEDINGS
10                     BEFORE THE HONORABLE J.P. BOULEE
                         UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE
11                            FEBRUARY 13, 2024

12
13   APPEARANCES:

14   ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT:
             TAL C. CHAIKEN, ESQ.
15           SAMIR KAUSHAL, ESQ.
             BABASIJIBOMI MOORE, ESQ.
16           ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS

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     ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANT - TELDRIN FOSTER:
18           LEIGH ANN WEBSTER, ESQ.
             SARALIENE DURRETT, ESQ.
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20   ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANT - CARLA JACKSON:
             DAVID D. MARSHALL, ESQ.
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23   STENOGRAPHICALLY RECORDED BY:

24                      PENNY PRITTY COUDRIET, RMR, CRR
                            OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER
25                       UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                               ATLANTA, GEORGIA

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 3   1.   JOHN GAINES

 4                  DIRECT EXAMINATION.........................137
                    CROSS-EXAMINATION..........................181
 5                  REDIRECT EXAMINATION.......................232
                    RECROSS-EXAMINATION........................243
 6                  FURTHER REDIRECT EXAMINATION...............250

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                    FURTHER REDIRECT EXAMINATION...............256
 9                  FURTHER RECROSS-EXAMINATION................257

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 1 (PROCEEDINGS HELD IN OPEN COURT AT 12:48 PM, ATLANTA, GEORGIA)
 2               THE COURT:   Back on the record.

 3               Ms. Webster, did you have an opportunity to speak

 4   with Mr. Foster more about his decision to testify or not

 5   testify over the lunch break?

 6               MS. WEBSTER:     Yes, Your Honor, we did.      Thank you.

 7               THE COURT:   And what's your understanding of his

 8   decision?

 9               MS. WEBSTER:     I don't believe he's going to testify,

10   Your Honor.

11               THE COURT:   All right.

12               Mr. Foster, sir, good afternoon.       I just want to ask

13   you some questions about that.        And I'm sure that everything

14   I'm about to ask you is the same type of things that

15   Ms. Webster and Ms. Durrett have already gone over with you,

16   but I just need to, for the record, make sure you understand

17   your rights.    So that's why I'm asking you these questions.

18               So, first off, do you understand that you have a

19   right to either testify or not testify?

20               DEFENDANT FOSTER:    Yes.

21               THE COURT:   Okay.   And do you understand that if you

22   decide not to testify and if you want me to, I'll give an

23   instruction to the jury telling them that they're not to hold

24   that against you?

25               Do you understand that?


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 1              DEFENDANT FOSTER:     Yes.

 2              THE COURT:    All right.     And you understand that you

 3   have a right under the Fifth Amendment not to testify if you

 4   don't want to; correct?

 5              DEFENDANT FOSTER:     Correct.

 6              THE COURT:    All right.

 7              Counsel, does anyone think any further questions are

 8   necessary on this?      I guess I need to ask the penultimate

 9   question, but other than that?

10              MS. CHAIKEN:      No, Your Honor.

11              THE COURT:    Okay.   And, Mr. Foster, do I understand

12   correctly from your attorney that you've decided that you do

13   not want to testify?

14              DEFENDANT FOSTER:     Yes.

15              THE COURT:    Okay.   Ms. Chaiken has indicated she

16   doesn't think any additional questions are necessary.

17              Ms. Webster, do you think any additional questions

18   are necessary?

19              MS. WEBSTER:      No, Your Honor.

20              THE COURT:    All right.     Thank you.

21              And do I understand when we bring out the jury you

22   will rest and then it will be Mr. Marshall's case to present?

23              MS. WEBSTER:      Yes, Your Honor.

24              THE COURT:    Okay.   Mr. Marshall, how many witnesses

25   do you anticipate?


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 1              MR. MARSHALL:     Anticipate one, Judge.       We'll still

 2   have to have the conversation with my client also, Judge.

 3              THE COURT:   And is that still Mr. Gaines?

 4              MR. MARSHALL:     It is.   And he's sitting right

 5   outside, Judge.     He's ready.

 6              THE COURT:   Off the record for a moment.

 7              (Off-the-record discussion.)

 8              THE COURT:   So I think we're ready to bring out the

 9   jury, agreed?

10              MS. CHAIKEN:      Yes, Your Honor.

11              MR. MARSHALL:     Yes, Your Honor.

12              MS. WEBSTER:      Yes.

13              THE COURT:   Very well.

14              Please bring out the jury, Officer.

15              (The jury entered the courtroom at 1:06 p.m.)

16              THE COURT:   Y'all can be seated.

17              Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm sorry, I forgot

18   something.    I'm going to have to have you step out for one

19   more moment.    My mistake.

20              (The jury exited the courtroom at 1:06 p.m.)

21              THE COURT:   Mr. Marshall, could you call your witness

22   to the stand, please.

23              MR. MARSHALL:     Sure can, Your Honor.

24              THE COURT:   Y'all can be seated.

25              What we haven't done yet is discuss with Mr. Gaines


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 1   his Fifth Amendment rights.

 2              Good afternoon, sir.

 3              MR. GAINES:     Good afternoon.

 4              THE COURT:    Sir, you can come around to the witness

 5   stand, please.

 6              All right.    If you'd please swear in the witness,

 7   Ms. Lee.

 8              (John Gaines was duly sworn.)

 9              THE COURT:    Sir, you can be seated.       Thank you.

10              Sir, as you may be aware, I'm JP Boulee.            I'm the

11   judge in this case.      Mr. Marshall, on behalf of his client,

12   Ms. Jackson, has elected to call you as a witness in this

13   case.    And counsel suggested, and I agreed, that we should

14   make sure that you had counsel to represent you and assist you

15   in your decision about whether or not to testify and what you

16   wanted to testify about.

17              I know that you've now had a chance to consult with

18   Ms. Wiley, who is here via video conference; correct?

19              THE WITNESS:      Yes.

20              THE COURT:    All right.     And although I know that she

21   has probably discussed your rights with you, I just want to

22   make sure that you do indeed understand your rights under the

23   Fifth Amendment, that you understand that you can invoke your

24   right not to incriminate yourself if you want to.

25              Do you understand that?


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 1              THE WITNESS:      Yes.

 2              THE COURT:   Okay.

 3              Counsel, does anyone think any additional questions

 4   are necessary of Mr. Gaines on this point?

 5              MS. TIMBERLAKE-WILEY:       No, Your Honor.

 6              MS. WEBSTER:      No, Your Honor.

 7              THE COURT:   Mr. Marshall?

 8              MR. MARSHALL:     No, Your Honor.

 9              THE COURT:   Ms. Chaiken?

10              MS. CHAIKEN:      No, Your Honor.      Thank you.

11              THE COURT:   Okay.       Very well.

12              So, Mr. Gaines, what we're going to do, just

13   administratively, everyone else knows this, but you don't

14   since you just came in, I'm going to call the jury out in a

15   moment, Ms. Webster is going to rest her case and then it'll

16   be Mr. Marshall's case.       And he'll formally call you as a

17   witness and we'll re-swear you in in front of the jury and

18   then he'll begin his questioning.         Okay?

19              THE WITNESS:      Sure.

20              THE COURT:   All right.      Very well.

21              Officer, thank you.

22              (The jury entered the courtroom at 1:10 p.m.)

23              THE COURT:   All right.      Y'all can be seated.          Thank

24   you.

25              Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, sorry again about


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 1   that.    There was just something that I had to do that I forgot

 2   about, so my fault on that one.

 3               All right.   Ms. Webster?

 4               MS. WEBSTER:     Mr. Foster rests, Your Honor.

 5               THE COURT:   All right.     Thank you, Ms. Webster.

 6               Mr. Marshall.

 7               MR. MARSHALL:    The State (sic) calls Mr. John Gaines

 8   to the stand.

 9               (Also present via Zoom technology is Deana

10   Timberlake-Wiley)

11               THE COURT:   All right.     Ms. Lee, if you could swear

12   Mr. Gaines in again in front of the jury, please.

13               COURTROOM DEPUTY CLERK:      Did you say the State

14   called?

15               MR. MARSHALL:    I'm sorry.    Ms. Jackson calls.

16               Correct, Your Honor.     Ms. Jackson calls for her

17   defense Mr. John Gaines.

18                       _____________________________

19                                  JOHN GAINES

20                   a witness herein, being duly resworn,

21                  was examined and testified as follows:

22                       _____________________________

23                              DIRECT EXAMINATION

24   BY MR. MARSHALL:

25   Q.      Good afternoon, sir.


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 1    A.   Good afternoon.

 2    Q.   Could you please state your full name and spell your

 3    first and last name for the court reporter?

 4    A.   John Stacey Gaines, S-T-A-C-E-Y, G-A-I-N-E-S, J-O-H-N.

 5    Q.   Thank you.

 6         Mr. Gaines, are you one of the defendants in this case

 7    that also involves Teldrin Foster and Carla Jackson?

 8    A.   Yes.

 9    Q.   Do you remember being charged in two of the same counts

10    in the indictment that Ms. Jackson is also charged in?

11    A.   Yes.

12    Q.   And do you remember at some point pleading guilty to one

13    of those two counts in the indictment?

14    A.   Yes.

15    Q.   Do you happen to remember which count of the indictment

16    you pled out to?

17    A.   I think it was number 47, money laundering.

18    Q.   And would that be -- do you recall if that's the one that

19    dealt with the larger amount wire transfer, or do you recall?

20    A.   I don't recall.

21    Q.   Okay.    All right.

22         I'd like to ask you a few questions about your

23    relationship with Ms. Jackson.       Do you know Carla Jackson?

24    A.   Yes.

25    Q.   How do you know Ms. Jackson?


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 1    A.   I was married to her.

 2    Q.   How long had you been married to Ms. Jackson?

 3    A.   18 years.

 4    Q.   And before that how long had you known her?

 5    A.   15 years.

 6    Q.   15 years.      So quite a long time altogether?

 7    A.   Yes.    Yes.

 8    Q.   Okay.    Do you and Ms. Jackson have any children together?

 9    A.   No.

10    Q.   No?    Okay.

11         Do you have any children at all?

12    A.   Yes.

13    Q.   Can you give me their -- just their ages?

14    A.   25, 26 and 14.

15    Q.   Do you happen to recall when you and Ms. Jackson got

16    divorced?

17    A.   Might have been 2'17, 2'18.

18    Q.   Well, let me back up a little bit.

19         Did you and Ms. Jackson get divorced at some time?

20    A.   Yes.

21    Q.   What year was that?

22    A.   2'17, 2'18, 2'19, somewhere in there.

23    Q.   Do you happen to recall if it became final any time

24    during the time of this case, 2019, 2020?

25    A.   Well before that.


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 1    Q.     Okay.   All right.

 2           Who filed the petition for divorce, do you recall?

 3    A.     She did.

 4    Q.     Do you know why Ms. Jackson filed for divorce against

 5    you?

 6    A.     Yes.

 7    Q.     What is that?

 8    A.     Infidelity.

 9    Q.     Infidelity?     Okay.

10           You had an affair with somebody else?

11    A.     Yes.

12    Q.     Did you have any children born with any other women when

13    you were married to Ms. Jackson?

14    A.     Yes.

15    Q.     How many children?

16    A.     Two.

17    Q.     Two?    Okay.

18           Do you recall about when Ms. Jackson found out about your

19    infidelity and these other children?

20    A.     I don't recall right offhand.

21    Q.     Can you tell the jury, how did Ms. Jackson react when she

22    learned about this information?

23    A.     She was a little upset.

24    Q.     Did that form the basis for her wanting to file a

25    divorce, though?


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 1    A.   Possibly.    And probably some other antics.

 2    Q.   Now, it sounds like that was a secret you held from

 3    Ms. Jackson.    Did you hold any other secrets from your ex-wife

 4    that you would consider really significant?

 5    A.   Yeah.     Having the kids out of wedlock, yeah.

 6    Q.   How about anything related to this PPP loan application

 7    for Gaines Reservation & Travel?

 8    A.   Yes.

 9    Q.   Did you hide what you were doing with that loan from her?

10    A.   Yes.

11    Q.   So I mentioned Gaines Reservation & Travel.              I want to

12    ask you some more questions about that company.

13         Do you know what type of company Gaines Reservation &

14    Travel is?

15    A.   Supposed to have been a transportation company.

16    Q.   Do you know who the owner of it is?

17    A.   Yes.    My cousin Andre Gaines.

18    Q.   Okay.     Andre.

19         And is Andre somebody who's been associated with this

20    case also?

21    A.   Yes.

22    Q.   Is this a first cousin, Andre Gaines?

23    A.   Yes.

24    Q.   Now, were you one of the actual co-owners of the company?

25    A.   Gaines Reservation & Travel?


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 1    Q.   Yes.

 2    A.   No.

 3    Q.   Were you one of the signers on the bank accounts, one of

 4    the bank accounts for Gaines Reservation & Travel?

 5    A.   Yes.

 6                MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Hirani, can you please pull up

 7    Government's Exhibit 1100.       If you could zoom out a little bit

 8    on signatures.    Thank you.

 9    BY MR. MARSHALL:

10    Q.   Mr. Gaines, do you recognize what this document is?

11    A.   Yes.

12    Q.   What is this?

13    A.   It's a business signature card.

14    Q.   Okay.    Do you see the date down there at all where it has

15    signatures and a couple dates there?

16    A.   Like 10/19 -- 10/10/19.

17    Q.   Is your signature one of those that are shown there in

18    this document?

19    A.   Yes.

20    Q.   Do you recall signing this document?

21    A.   Yes.

22    Q.   What's the name of the bank here?

23    A.   Chase.

24    Q.   Let me ask you, did Ms. Jackson ever have access to this

25    bank account that you know of?


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 1    A.      No.

 2    Q.      Was she ever a signer on this account?

 3    A.      No.

 4                   MR. MARSHALL:   You can take that off, Ms. Hirani.

 5    Thank you.

 6    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 7    Q.      Was there a point in time when you helped your cousin

 8    Andre Gaines prepare a PPP loan for Gaines Reservation &

 9    Travel?

10    A.      Yes.

11                   MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Hirani, pull up Government's

12    Exhibit 1000, please.

13    BY MR. MARSHALL:

14    Q.      I'm showing you, Mr. Gaines, what is Government's

15    Exhibit 1000.       This has been previously admitted.

16            Do you see which company's filled out this application

17    form?

18    A.      Yeah, Gaines Reservation & Travel.

19    Q.      And who is the primary contact there that's listed there?

20    A.      Andre Gaines.

21    Q.      Thank you.

22                   MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Hirani, can you go to the second

23    page.    And if you could highlight on the signatures.

24    BY MR. MARSHALL:

25    Q.      Can you please tell the jury who signed this application?


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 1    A.   Andre Gaines.

 2    Q.   Okay.    Thank you.

 3         Now, what involvement did you have, if any, with this PPP

 4    loan application for Gaines Reservation & Travel being

 5    submitted?

 6    A.   I introduced him to the gentleman who was actually

 7    processing the loans.

 8    Q.   Who was that person?

 9    A.   Darrell Thomas.

10    Q.   Darrell Thomas.

11         And is Darrell Thomas somebody that's also involved in

12    this case?

13    A.   Yes.

14    Q.   Okay.    And tell us a little bit more about that.             What

15    did you -- what did you tell Mr. Andre Gaines about Darrell

16    Thomas and about the PPP loan application process?

17    A.   He was trying to -- well, we were trying to get some

18    money to fund a project.      We were trying to purchase a

19    building and -- over in Alabama, in Montgomery.               And I told

20    him that I knew someone who could make it happen, basically.

21    Q.   When you're referring to "him," and so for that pronoun,

22    who are you talking about?

23    A.   I was speaking in reference to my cousin.

24    Q.   Andre Gaines?

25    A.   And Darrell Thomas.


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 1    Q.   Okay.    All right.

 2         So you mentioned this project.         Was this something that

 3    was your idea and that you raised and discussed it with

 4    Mr. Gaines or what?

 5    A.   It was kind of both of ours.

 6    Q.   All right.     Tell the jury a little bit more about this

 7    project and what you told Mr. Gaines about that project.

 8                MS. CHAIKEN:    Your Honor, objection, hearsay.

 9                MR. MARSHALL:   I'm asking what he told them, Judge.

10    I'm not asking for what Mr. Gaines said.

11                MS. CHAIKEN:    It's an out-of-court statement offered

12    for the truth of the matter asserted.

13                MR. MARSHALL:   Judge, I'll move on.

14    BY MR. MARSHALL:

15    Q.   Do you remember having a discussion, though, at some

16    point about what the purpose of this loan would be for?

17    A.   Yes.

18    Q.   And the moneys that -- do you remember moneys finally

19    being disbursed for this PPP application for Gaines

20    Reservation & Travel?

21    A.   Yes.

22    Q.   Do you recall about how much money that was?

23    A.   Like 800,000.

24                MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Hirani, please pull up

25    Government's Exhibit 1108.       Go ahead and highlight the


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 1    deposits and transactions area.

 2    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 3    Q.   Do you see the date on this particular transaction here

 4    that's listed?

 5    A.   Yes.    It's May 2019.

 6    Q.   Okay.    And what's the amount of money?

 7    A.   806,710.

 8                MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Hirani, back out so we can go to

 9    the top of that sheet.      If you could highlight where the dates

10    are in this statement.      Might be at the top portion.

11    BY MR. MARSHALL:

12    Q.   What's the time frame up there on this document,

13    Government's Exhibit 1108?

14    A.   It says May 1st, 2020, through May 29th, 2020.

15    Q.   So Andre Gaines -- that PPP loan application for Gaines

16    Reservation & Travel, that got submitted for funding; correct?

17    A.   Yes.

18    Q.   And are these the moneys that, to your knowledge, came

19    from that PPP loan?

20    A.   Yes.

21    Q.   All right.     Now, do you know if Carla Jackson was

22    involved at all in the submitting or the preparation of this

23    PPP loan application for Gaines Reservation & Travel?

24    A.   No --

25    Q.   At that time did you have any discussions with


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 1    Ms. Jackson about what any of these proceeds were going to be

 2    for?

 3    A.     No.

 4    Q.     Did she have any knowledge, Ms. Jackson, about the

 5    fraudulent nature of this loan for Gaines Reservation &

 6    Travel?

 7                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Objection, calls for speculation, lack

 8    of foundation.

 9    BY MR. MARSHALL:

10    Q.     Well, how long were you married with her, sir?

11    A.     18 years.

12    Q.     Okay.

13                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Same objection, Your Honor.         He can't

14    know what she knew.

15                 THE COURT:   I understand.      I think he was going

16    somewhere differently or asking different questions.               That's

17    how I took it, anyways.

18                 Is that correct, Mr. Marshall?

19                 MR. MARSHALL:   That's correct.

20    BY MR. MARSHALL:

21    Q.     Did you see any statements at all from Ms. Jackson or

22    anything where she indicated any kind of knowledge about what

23    this loan was from?

24    A.     No.

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 1    loan application in any way?

 2    A.     No.

 3    Q.     About the fraudulent nature of it?

 4    A.     No.

 5    Q.     I want to move to that large deposit that you had there

 6    in this Government's Exhibit 1108.

 7                  MR. MARSHALL:   You can take that down, Ms. Hirani.

 8                  I'd like to go to what happened with the money.          And

 9    I'd like to pull up some exhibits related to that.

10    BY MR. MARSHALL:

11    Q.     First off, I want to ask you some questions about your

12    ex-wife's company.      Do you know what the name of that company

13    was?

14    A.     Management Resource Services.

15    Q.     Management Resource Services.

16           So if I refer to that as MRS, will you know what I'm

17    talking about?

18    A.     Yes.

19    Q.     So Management Resource Services.

20           Is this a company that your ex-wife had during the

21    duration of your marriage?

22    A.     I believe so, yes.

23    Q.     Do you know what kind of company it was, what it did?

24    A.     A little bit of everything.       Management, consulting.        A

25    little bit of everything.


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 1    Q.      You were married to your ex-wife for quite a long time.

 2    Can you tell the jury a little bit about, you know, what your

 3    wife's work background was?

 4    A.      Pretty much that.      She's a project manager.           She worked

 5    at IBM for 20-some years.         And then she moved on and she's

 6    been a project manager ever since.             So, you know, she's pretty

 7    good with organization, consulting, managing, things of the

 8    sort.

 9    Q.      At the time that she -- now, in this time frame of

10    2020 -- 2019, 2020, this business was in existence; right?

11    A.      Yes.

12    Q.      MRS?

13    A.      Yes.

14    Q.      All right.    And was your wife also working somewhere else

15    at the time, like a regular job and regular salary?

16    A.      Yes.

17    Q.      Do you happen to know what company that was?

18    A.      I can't recall.

19                   MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Hirani, can you pull up

20    Government's Exhibit 1167.         If you can pull down to the check

21    image, which is a page or so.         Right there is good.           Okay.   If

22    you can go ahead and pull that out a little bit.

23    BY MR. MARSHALL:

24    Q.      Now, Mr. Gaines, have you ever seen this check?

25    A.      Yes.


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 1    Q.   How did you come about seeing this check?

 2    A.   It's a check my cousin wrote to my wife's company.

 3    Q.   Repeat that, please.

 4    A.   It's a check that my cousin wrote to my wife's company.

 5    Q.   Were you with -- is that your signature on the bottom

 6    there or is that Mr. Andre Gaines's signature?

 7    A.   That's my cousin's signature.

 8    Q.   Did he fill this out with you present?           Did you see him

 9    fill this out?

10    A.   Yeah, I was there.

11    Q.   Do you know -- do you have any personal knowledge in the

12    memo line about what these consulting fees or daily business

13    management had to deal with?

14    A.   It had to do with purchase of -- we had purchased a

15    building in Montgomery.      This would have been some of the

16    money going towards purchasing, as well as the daily

17    management of the construction workers and all that kind of

18    spreadsheet stuff that you have to do with managing a project.

19    Q.   Okay.    So is this referring back a little bit to this

20    discussion of that project that you were discussing with Andre

21    Gaines at some point?

22    A.   Yes.

23    Q.   Okay.    And you mentioned also Darrell Thomas; is that

24    correct?

25    A.   Yes.


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 1    Q.   This particular check, are these funds proceeds from that

 2    large deposit that we saw from the PPP loan?

 3    A.   Yes.

 4                MR. MARSHALL:     You can pull that off, Ms. Hirani.

 5    That's fine.

 6                I'd like to go to Government's Exhibit 1169.            If you

 7    can go down a little bit, please.          Keep going, please.        Keep

 8    going.     Some check images coming up, I think.          Should be.     If

 9    you could pull that out, please.

10    BY MR. MARSHALL:

11    Q.   Now, do you notice the date here -- well, what is this?

12    A.   A check for company 365 Enterprise.

13    Q.   Okay.      Now, this exhibit has been previously admitted.

14    Do you see this check has a pay to the order of the payee?

15    Who is that?

16    A.   365 Enterprise.

17    Q.   What is 365 Enterprise, LLC?

18    A.   Construction company.

19    Q.   Do you know who owns that company?

20    A.   Yes.

21    Q.   Who was that?

22    A.   I was part owner and a friend of mine.

23    Q.   Who is on the remitter up there?           Who is the person that

24    took this check out?

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 1    Q.   Can you tell the jury -- what's the dollar amount?

 2    A.   $10,000.

 3    Q.   Is this the same date or close in date to when that check

 4    was deposited at Management Resource Services?

 5    A.   Yes.

 6    Q.   Can you tell the jury what the purpose of this $10,000

 7    cashier's check was?

 8    A.   To pay for construction work that was supposed to be done

 9    on the building and other projects I had going on at the time.

10    Q.   And did you instruct or ask Ms. Jackson to get this

11    cashier's check for you?

12    A.   Yes, I did.

13                MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Hirani, can you go to the next

14    image, please.    Pull that out.

15    BY MR. MARSHALL:

16    Q.   Do you recognize this cashier's check?

17    A.   Yes.

18    Q.   And do you notice the date?        Is this the same date as the

19    other check that we saw?

20    A.   Yes.

21    Q.   What's the dollar amount of this one?

22    A.   $10,000 as well.

23    Q.   Who wrote this check or who is the remitter?

24    A.   Carla Jackson.

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 1    payable to?

 2    A.   Capital One.

 3    Q.   Do you know what this cashier's check is for?             What it's

 4    meant for?

 5    A.   Yes.

 6    Q.   What is it for?

 7    A.   Auto loans.

 8    Q.   All right.     An auto loan.

 9         Is this for an auto that you owned?

10    A.   Yes.

11    Q.   Down there in the memo line, do you know who wrote or

12    printed that information in there with the name and so forth?

13    A.   I did.

14    Q.   You did.    All right.

15         Did you do this obviously after you got this cashier's

16    check from Ms. Jackson?

17    A.   Yes.

18    Q.   Do you happen to know which loan this was -- was this

19    paying off a loan or was it just a monthly payment or what?

20    Not a monthly payment, but was it a payoff?

21    A.   Yeah, I think I was paying it off at that point.             I had

22    had it for a while.

23    Q.   What kind of car was this, do you know?

24    A.   Nissan Titan, I believe.

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 1    document, please.       The same exhibit, just lower.           That's

 2    right.     That's fine.     That's good.

 3    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 4    Q.   Do you recognize what this document is?

 5    A.   Yes.

 6    Q.   What is this?

 7    A.   $10,000 check to USAA.

 8    Q.   Is this also on the same date as the other two checks?

 9    A.   Yes.

10    Q.   Who is the remitter on this one?

11    A.   Carla Jackson.

12    Q.   Who is this payable to?

13    A.   USAA.

14    Q.   Do you know anything about what this payment is for or

15    what this cashier's check is for?

16    A.   I believe that may have been a credit card.                I'm not

17    100 percent -- I can't recall.

18    Q.   Can you look down at the bottom part of the check.                  Is

19    there any printing or any notations in it?

20    A.   Yeah.      I wrote "auto loan" and put the account number.               I

21    can't remember if it was an auto loan or a credit card, one of

22    the two.

23    Q.   You're not positive if this was for an auto loan or --

24    A.   Yes.

25    Q.   You --


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 1    A.   No, I'm not.

 2    Q.   You're not.     Okay.

 3         But this is in the amount of $10,000?

 4    A.   That's correct, yes.

 5    Q.   Mr. Gaines, I'm going to show you what I've marked as

 6    Jackson 13.    Take a look at that, please, for a second.

 7         Do you recognize what this is?

 8    A.   It appears to be a text message.

 9    Q.   Do you know who it's from?

10    A.   Let me see it again.

11    Q.   You can take a look at it.        Hold on to that for a second.

12         Is that a printout of a text message that you texted?

13    A.   Yes.

14    Q.   Does that printout accurately reflect the content of the

15    text message?

16    A.   Yes.

17    Q.   Okay.    And do you know who this text message was to?

18    A.   Carla Jackson.

19                MR. MARSHALL:    Judge, I'm going to tender Jackson 13

20    into evidence.

21                MS. CHAIKEN:     No objection.

22                MS. WEBSTER:     No objection.

23                THE COURT:   It's admitted.

24                MR. MARSHALL:    I'm going to stand next to you for a

25    second, okay?    Take a look at that together.


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 1    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 2    Q.    So tell the jury what this is and what you were texting

 3    Ms. Jackson about in J13.

 4    A.    It's a text message asking her to get the checks for the

 5    $10,000 for USAA and a $10,000 check for Capital One, and a

 6    10,000 cashier's check for 365 Enterprise for renovations.

 7    Q.    Okay.   Let me move you up before you continue.

 8          At the top of that text message, does it have a date with

 9    it?

10    A.    Yeah.

11    Q.    What's the date?

12    A.    June 18th.

13    Q.    And is this the same date, June 18th, that we saw in

14    those cashier's checks that have been taken out?

15    A.    Yes.

16    Q.    The information that's below the cashier's check

17    information, what is that?       Where it starts -- excuse me.

18    Let's go here.

19          What is this 10K cashier's check for 365 Enterprises,

20    LLC, for renovations?

21    A.    Yes, for renovations.      Like I said earlier, for the

22    building we was going to purchase and another project I was

23    working on at the time.      So that money was for that.

24    Q.    Was that money going to be in part for Management

25    Resource Services and that project in Alabama or something


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 1    else, or do you know?

 2    A.      Yeah, possibly some of it would have been for the project

 3    in Alabama, but I was working on a project here in Georgia as

 4    well.

 5    Q.      Okay.    What is the, Take out $9,700 cash?       What is that

 6    for?    Do you recall?

 7    A.      Not right offhand.    No, I don't.

 8    Q.      What about where it says, Take out 820 out of that, do

 9    you happen to know what that is?

10    A.      I believe -- so I think -- usually -- some of the

11    household expenses, things of this sort, it could have been

12    for that.       I can't recall.

13    Q.      And you can look at the screen there.        I'm going to walk

14    back to the table.

15            Below that there's another entry.

16            Do you see that other text message, the second one from

17    you?

18    A.      Yes.

19    Q.      What's the date of that one?

20    A.      June 19th.

21    Q.      And what does that say?     What is GM?

22    A.      I guess good morning.

23    Q.      What's red girl?

24    A.      Sometimes I called my wife red girl.

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 1    you know what that is?

 2    A.   Yeah.      Might have been Management Resource Services.

 3    Q.   And then what's the -- the other information, what's that

 4    about?     Is it about account number wiring, routing number?

 5    What's that, do you recall?

 6    A.   Oh, yeah.      That was -- yeah.      I was requesting an

 7    account -- routing number so that my cousin can wire some

 8    additional funds to the Management Resource account.

 9    Q.   Did this have to do with anything related to the second

10    wire transfer or do you even recall now?

11    A.   Yes.

12    Q.   You think it was?

13    A.   Yes.

14    Q.   And do you mean a second wire transfer of funds out of

15    Gaines Reservation & Travel?

16    A.   That's correct.

17                MR. MARSHALL:     Ms. Hirani, can we move to

18    Government's Exhibit 1125.         Pull this up, please.        Just move

19    that down a little bit.        Okay.

20    BY MR. MARSHALL:

21    Q.   Do you see who the person's name is on this document?

22    A.   Yes.

23                MR. MARSHALL:     If you can go back out to the main

24    document, Ms. Hirani.

25    BY MR. MARSHALL:


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 1    Q.   Do you see what this document is, what it's entitled on

 2    the top?

 3    A.   Yes.    This is a PNC statement, domestic transfer.

 4                MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Hirani, can you see if there's a

 5    date on there you can pull up, please.

 6    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 7    Q.   Do you see what the send date is here?

 8    A.   6/22/2020.

 9                MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Hirani, can you go down to where

10    the amount is, if you can find it on the document, please.

11    The amount of the wire transfer, if you can find it.

12    BY MR. MARSHALL:

13    Q.   Do you see the amount of the wire transfer here?

14    A.   Yes.

15    Q.   And, again, what is the date on this document?

16    A.   6/22/2020.

17    Q.   Do you recognize what this wire transfer amount is for?

18    A.   That was the second transfer my cousin made to Management

19    Resource from the PNC account.

20    Q.   Now, did you send this transfer?

21    A.   No.

22    Q.   Who sent this transfer?

23    A.   My cousin did, Andre.

24    Q.   Is this amount the one that forms the basis of the count

25    that you pled out to, that Count 47?         Do you recall?


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 1    A.   I don't recall.

 2    Q.   Is this amount, these funds here, do these come from the

 3    PPP loan proceeds?

 4    A.   Yes.

 5    Q.   That went to Gaines Reservation & Travel?

 6    A.   Yes.

 7    Q.   Okay.    All right.

 8         Do you know where these funds went to, where they were

 9    wired to?

10    A.   Management Resource Services.

11                MR. MARSHALL:   Back out of that, please.

12    BY MR. MARSHALL:

13    Q.   Now, we saw the first exhibit earlier of that check.              Do

14    you remember that?     In the amount of about $155,000 plus in

15    Government's Exhibit 1167?       Do you remember looking at that?

16    A.   Yes.

17    Q.   And this one here in this document, 1125, government's

18    exhibit, both of these sets of money that went to Management

19    Resource Services, what was the purpose for them going to

20    Management Resource Services?

21    A.   For the project that we were scheduling to do in

22    Montgomery, Alabama.

23    Q.   Is that something you told Mr. Gaines, that you discussed

24    with Mr. Gaines?

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 1    Q.   Did you tell anything or discuss anything with

 2    Ms. Jackson about this wire transfer?

 3    A.   No.

 4    Q.   Did she know that the moneys that were coming into her

 5    account were related to this project?

 6                MS. CHAIKEN:    Objection, calls for speculation, lack

 7    of foundation.

 8    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 9    Q.   Did you have a discussion with her?

10    A.   No.

11    Q.   Do you know if Ms. Jackson got these?

12    A.   Yes.

13    Q.   All right.     Did you ever tell Ms. Jackson anything

14    that -- did you ever tell her that this wire transfer came

15    from funds that were from a fraudulent source?

16    A.   No.

17    Q.   Let's talk a little bit about this project, this Alabama

18    real estate project.

19         Who all was going to be involved in it?

20    A.   Me and my cousin Andre.       And my wife probably would have

21    managed it if everything worked out.

22    Q.   How did -- how did Andre decide to work with Management

23    Resource Services with his company, Gaines Reservation &

24    Travel, to do this project?

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 1    Q.   Did you recommend her company to him?

 2    A.   Yes.

 3    Q.   Do you know if Ms. Jackson had any other kinds of

 4    companies that she was working on in addition to Management

 5    Resource Services?

 6    A.   Yes, but I can't recall what they were.

 7    Q.   Do you know if she did any kind of design business or

 8    anything like that?

 9    A.   Yes, but I can't recall what the name of it was.

10    Q.   Do you know if she did any renovation work or anything

11    like that?

12    A.   She's done that as well.

13    Q.   I think you testified earlier that she was like a project

14    manager; is that right?

15    A.   Yes.    Yes.

16    Q.   So what were her responsibilities going to be for this

17    Alabama project, do you know?

18    A.   Yes.

19    Q.   What were they going to be?        Tell the jury.

20    A.   Pretty much, you know, managing the employees, make sure

21    everybody -- everyone gets paid, handling the finances.               And

22    just -- you know, pretty much keep me abreast of what was

23    going on.    And I was going to be hands on.

24    Q.   And these moneys that went to Management Resource

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 1    project?

 2    A.      That's correct.

 3    Q.      So did you have -- you mentioned this.         Did you have a

 4    building already selected?

 5    A.      Yes.

 6    Q.      Had you gone out to -- what city in Alabama was this?

 7    A.      Montgomery.

 8    Q.      Montgomery?

 9            Had you and Ms. Jackson gone out to that area, to

10    Montgomery, Alabama, to look at sites?

11    A.      No, she didn't go.    I went.

12    Q.      She'd never been out with you?

13    A.      No.    I beg your pardon?

14    Q.      Had she been out to visit any of the buildings out there

15    with you?

16    A.      No.    Not in Montgomery, no.

17    Q.      Had she been out to Alabama to look at some buildings and

18    so forth, do you recall?

19    A.      No.

20    Q.      Let me show you what's been -- that I've marked as

21    Jackson Exhibits 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25.

22            Mr. Gaines, I'm going to show you these exhibits.            I've

23    already identified them.       Just take a minute to look through

24    them.

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 1    exhibits, J-20 through J-25?

 2    A.   Yes.

 3    Q.   What are these?

 4    A.   Pictures of the actual business -- I mean, the building

 5    that I was looking at possibly purchasing and renovating.

 6    Q.   These documents I just handed you, these are photographs;

 7    correct?

 8    A.   That's correct.

 9    Q.   Are these photographs fair and accurate representations

10    of the scenes and persons they depict?

11    A.   Yes.

12                MR. MARSHALL:   I move to submit, or tender, J-20

13    through 25, Judge.

14                MS. CHAIKEN:    Your Honor, I don't have an objection,

15    but I'd ask that additional foundation be laid as to when

16    these photographs were taken.

17                MR. MARSHALL:   I can do that.

18    BY MR. MARSHALL:

19    Q.   Mr. Gaines, do you know about when these photos would

20    have been taken?

21    A.   2'19, 2'20, somewhere in there.         About the time all this

22    was taking place.     I can't recall.

23    Q.   So somewhere in the range of when the PPP loan

24    application got submitted and so forth?

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 1                MR. MARSHALL:   Okay.   I tender them, Judge.

 2                Any further objection, Ms. Chaiken?

 3                MS. CHAIKEN:    No, Your Honor.     I mean --

 4                MS. WEBSTER:    No objection.

 5                THE COURT:   They're admitted.

 6                MR. MARSHALL:   Thank you, Your Honor.

 7                Ms. Hirani, can you please publish 20.

 8    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 9    Q.   What is this a picture of?

10    A.   It's a picture of the building in Montgomery, Alabama.

11    Q.   You can't see how big it was here.          Is this the time you

12    went out for this project to look for these -- you know, for a

13    proper facility or a building?

14    A.   Yes.

15                MR. MARSHALL:   Put up J-21, please.

16    BY MR. MARSHALL:

17    Q.   Is this in the same area where this building is and the

18    street sign that's near where this was located?

19    A.   Yes.

20                MR. MARSHALL:   Put up J-22, please.

21    BY MR. MARSHALL:

22    Q.   Is this the building itself?

23    A.   Yes.

24    Q.   Okay.    Now, talk to me a little bit about -- I mean, did

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 1    A.    Yes.

 2    Q.    And did Ms. Jackson have plans for what this building

 3    would become?

 4    A.    No.

 5    Q.    No?

 6    A.    No.

 7    Q.    Well, did she have -- she was going to be the project

 8    manager; right?

 9    A.    That's correct.

10    Q.    Okay.   So did she have some idea about what you were

11    planning on doing with this?

12    A.    Vaguely, yes.    I didn't divulge a whole lot of

13    information at the time.

14    Q.    So what were your -- what was this going to become?

15    A.    Alabama State University is not that far from there, and

16    we were going to renovate the building out and then rent it

17    out to the college students and get the residual income off of

18    it.

19    Q.    Does Andre Gaines have a military background?

20    A.    Yes.

21    Q.    Was there any intent to use it for any kind of military

22    housing or any purposes along those lines?

23    A.    We discussed that as well.

24    Q.    Was that something that Mr. Gaines was interested in in

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 1    A.      Yes.    Yes.

 2    Q.      Did you ever discuss that with Ms. Jackson, any of that

 3    stuff?

 4    A.      I really didn't say a whole lot until I -- once I secured

 5    it, then I would have went more in depth.            But at the time,

 6    no.

 7                   MR. MARSHALL:   Okay.   Please show Defendant's

 8    Exhibit J-23.

 9    BY MR. MARSHALL:

10    Q.      Is this just another photo you took when you were out

11    there visiting this building?

12    A.      Yes.

13    Q.      Do you recall who was taking these photographs?

14    A.      I can't recall who was with me.        To be honest, I had a

15    couple drinks and I was riding with somebody who rode over

16    there with me and I can't remember who was with me at the

17    time.

18    Q.      You don't know if it was Ms. Jackson or not?

19    A.      I can't recall.

20                   MR. MARSHALL:   Let's go to J-24, please.

21    BY MR. MARSHALL:

22    Q.      And who is this in this picture in J-24?

23    A.      That's me.

24    Q.      Is this still in the location where this building was

25    that we saw in one of the earlier photos?


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 1    A.   No.     I just kind of went around to all the historical

 2    sites.

 3                MR. MARSHALL:     Put up J-25, please.

 4    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 5    Q.   Is this one of the other sites that you saw during this

 6    visit to go look at this building?

 7    A.   Yes.

 8    Q.   Did you ever go out -- how many times do you think you

 9    went out to go look at this building that's shown in Jackson

10    Exhibit 22?

11                MR. MARSHALL:     If you can put that back up again,

12    please, J-22.

13    BY MR. MARSHALL:

14    Q.   Do you know how many times you went to look at this

15    building?

16    A.   Maybe two or three.        We called -- Andre called.         I

17    called.     And I went out there a couple times, a few times.

18    Q.   Did you ever go out with any kind of general contractor

19    or anything like that to see about building this out and so

20    forth?

21    A.   No, because I have a background in --

22    Q.   You have a background in construction?

23    A.   Yes.

24    Q.   Okay.      All right.

25         Let's talk about employees.          So this is a project --


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 1    would there be payroll associated with this project?

 2    A.   Yes.

 3    Q.   Would you have to hire some employees at some point?

 4    A.   Yes.

 5    Q.   Contractors?

 6    A.   Yes.

 7    Q.   Who was going to be in charge of that?

 8    A.   I was.

 9    Q.   Now, do you remember the exhibit that we put up --

10                MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Hirani, if you can put back up

11    Defendant's Exhibit (sic) 1167.        Go down to that check image

12    that's down -- right there.       Just pull that out again.

13    BY MR. MARSHALL:

14    Q.   Were funds from this check, again, were they for this

15    project that you were looking at in Alabama?

16    A.   Yes.

17    Q.   Okay.    Consulting fees, was that going to be for people

18    that you had in Montgomery to help you do this project, or

19    what was that for?

20    A.   Yes.

21    Q.   Who was going to handle any kind of payroll-related

22    matters for this project that you had?

23    A.   Management Resource.

24    Q.   And who owns that company?

25    A.   My ex-wife.


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 1    Q.   So would she be the one in charge of that?

 2    A.   Yes.

 3                MR. MARSHALL:     And this is Government Exhibit 1167,

 4    not defense exhibit.        Thank you.

 5    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 6    Q.   How far along did you and Ms. Jackson and Andre Gaines

 7    get along in doing this project?         How far did it go?      Did you

 8    end up buying the building?

 9    A.   No, we didn't.     We -- everything went to shambles before

10    we got a chance.

11    Q.   What happened?

12    A.   FBI showed up and it got real ugly.

13    Q.   Okay.    Do you remember telling Ms. Jackson how you would

14    secure the funding for this project in Alabama, like where the

15    funds came from?

16    A.   No.

17    Q.   She's your ex-wife at the time; right?

18    A.   Yes.

19    Q.   Did she ask you where the moneys came from?

20    A.   I don't recall.

21    Q.   But did you ever tell her it came from any kind of

22    fraudulent source?

23    A.   No.

24    Q.   Mr. Gaines, I want to show you a couple other government

25    exhibits.    I'm going to move to Government's Exhibit 1150.


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 1                MR. MARSHALL:    Pull that top part out, please.

 2    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 3    Q.   Do you see what this is here?

 4    A.   Yes.

 5                MR. MARSHALL:    If you can back that out so we can see

 6    the title.    Thank you.    Can you highlight the top of the form

 7    so I can see what the title of the document is, Ms. Hirani?

 8    Thank you.

 9    BY MR. MARSHALL:

10    Q.   What's this document?

11    A.   It's a bank statement -- signature card for Bank of

12    America.

13                MR. MARSHALL:    Ms. Hirani, can you pull out the

14    signatures at the bottom.

15    BY MR. MARSHALL:

16    Q.   Mr. Gaines, do you see your name on this portion of the

17    document?

18    A.   Yes.

19    Q.   Do you see the date?

20    A.   Yes.

21    Q.   June 17th, 2020.       Did you sign this on this document?

22    A.   Yes.

23    Q.   Is this the first time you had had access and used this

24    bank account for Roadrunner, or had you already been using it

25    and had access to the account, do you recall?


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 1    A.   I don't recall, but I was a signer on that account.

 2    Q.   Do you recall this being a company that you -- company

 3    that you formed with Ms. Jackson at some point in the past?

 4    A.   Yes.

 5    Q.   So you both were kind of co-founders or co-organizers?

 6    A.   Yes.

 7                MR. MARSHALL:   Please pull up Government's

 8    Exhibit 1151.

 9    BY MR. MARSHALL:

10    Q.   Do you see what this document is?

11    A.   Yes.

12    Q.   What is it?

13    A.   Appears to be a bank statement from Bank of America.

14    Q.   Do you see the time period for this bank statement?

15    A.   June 1st, 2020, to June 30th, 2020.

16                MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Hirani, can you go ahead and go to

17    the page where it has the transactions.         Probably the third

18    page, I guess.    Please go ahead and pull up deposits.

19    BY MR. MARSHALL:

20    Q.   Now, Mr. Gaines, you see the first entry here on the

21    deposits that's dated June 5th, 2020?

22    A.   Yes.

23    Q.   What's the dollar amount there?

24    A.   $71,144.35.

25                (Organizational pause.)


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 1    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 2    Q.      Do you remember where this deposit of $71,144.35 came

 3    from?

 4    A.      Yes.

 5    Q.      Where did it come from?

 6    A.      I think Darrell Thomas wired that.

 7    Q.      Was this for your purposes?       Do you know why you got this

 8    money from Darrell Thomas?

 9    A.      I think I asked him to borrow it.        Yeah.

10    Q.      Do you know what for, why you're asking to borrow it?

11    A.      I can't recall.     Maybe -- I think I was -- I needed some

12    money until I think he got the deal done for my cousin and

13    myself.

14    Q.      Do you have any -- did you tell Ms. Jackson anything

15    about this deposit?

16    A.      No.

17                   MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Hirani, please go down to the

18    transactions, down below.

19    BY MR. MARSHALL:

20    Q.      Do you happen to recall who got these bank statements?

21    Did you get these in the mail or did you get them e-mailed to

22    you or do you recall when you got these bank statements for

23    Roadrunner?

24    A.      I think they went to a PO Box.

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 1    from that PO Box?

 2                   MR. MARSHALL:   You can go back up to the first page.

 3                   THE WITNESS:    I may have at times and -- or my

 4    ex-wife did most of the time.

 5                   MR. MARSHALL:   If you can pull out the address there

 6    at the top, please.

 7    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 8    Q.      Is this the PO Box you're talking about?

 9    A.      Yes.

10    Q.      Would you pick up mail there occasionally?

11    A.      I have before.

12    Q.      Ms. Jackson would too?

13    A.      Yes.

14                   MR. MARSHALL:   Please go back to the transaction

15    page.    If you can pull out the transactions.           I don't know if

16    you can do that whole block but -- okay.

17    BY MR. MARSHALL:

18    Q.      All right.    So look through these for just a second on

19    this page, from the first entry that says June 8th, 2020, down

20    to the one that says June 17th, 2020.           Just take a second to

21    look through those.

22            Do you see your name on a lot of these transactions?

23    A.      Yes.

24    Q.      Actually, the majority of these transactions, is that

25    your name?


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 1    A.   Yes.

 2    Q.   Okay.      On the -- for instance, on June 10th, 2020, USAA

 3    payment, credit card, is that for one of your credit cards in

 4    the amount of $3,000?        Do you recall?

 5    A.   Yes.

 6    Q.   What about this USAA?         Looks like a loan payment of some

 7    kind of $1,821.       Do you know if that was yours?

 8    A.   Yes.

 9    Q.   The June 16th, 2020, that cash withdrawal, there's a

10    check.     Do you know if you withdrew that, that amount of

11    money, or do you recall?

12    A.   June 16th.       Yes.

13    Q.   Was that probably yours?

14    A.   Yes.

15                MR. MARSHALL:     And let's go to down to this --

16    BY MR. MARSHALL:

17    Q.   The last entry says GEICO.          I guess that's an insurance

18    company.     Would you agree with me?

19    A.   Yes.

20    Q.   Whose name is next to this one?

21    A.   Carla Jackson.

22    Q.   Do you know what that payment was for?

23    A.   Probably to pay the car insurance.

24    Q.   Car insurance.

25         Do you recall who the policyholder was for GEICO?


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 1    A.   I was.

 2    Q.   Were you or Ms. Jackson?       You were?

 3    A.   Yes.

 4                MR. MARSHALL:   You can take that off, Ms. Hirani.

 5    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 6    Q.   Now, in the time frame of, I guess, 2020 generally up

 7    until the dates that you got arrested and people were arrested

 8    in this case, where had you been living?

 9    A.   Every now and then I would be at the house with my

10    ex-wife.    And then I was out at a home in Marietta.

11    Q.   So you already testified earlier you're divorced at this

12    stage; right?

13    A.   Yes.

14    Q.   At some point you were divorced, but you two were still

15    together and you still occasionally stay in the same house?

16    A.   Yes.

17    Q.   Tell the jury, why is that?

18    A.   She still loved me.

19    Q.   Any other reasons?      Were they for business purposes

20    or any other things going --

21    A.   As well.

22    Q.   Any other reasons?      Any other business -- was it for

23    businesses or anything of that nature or not?

24    A.   Yes.

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 1    A day a week, couple days?

 2    A.   Two days, kind of in and out.

 3    Q.   Did you have a computer at that residence?

 4    A.   Yes.

 5    Q.   Did you have your own room or office, or what did you

 6    have there?

 7    A.   I had a desk right across from hers.

 8    Q.   What kind of computer did you have there?

 9    A.   Laptop.    I had a desktop, laptop.

10    Q.   Were they yours?

11    A.   Yes.

12    Q.   When you stayed at Ms. Jackson's house overnight, did you

13    access the Internet on those computers?

14    A.   Yes.

15    Q.   Did you access bank accounts on those computers when you

16    were over at Ms. Jackson's house?

17    A.   I don't recall.

18    Q.   But is it something that you could do if you were at her

19    house using those computers?

20    A.   Yes.

21    Q.   And I'm talking about especially the time frame of maybe

22    May 2020 and June 2020.      Did you use computers over at the

23    residence on a regular basis?

24    A.   Yes.

25                MR. MARSHALL:   If you can put up Government's


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 1    Exhibit 1602.      Now this is a document previously admitted.

 2                  If you could highlight the Carla Jackson part and the

 3    address.      Or just pull it out for us, please.         Sorry.

 4    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 5    Q.     Is this the address where you were staying with

 6    Ms. Jackson where she lived?         Is this her house?

 7    A.     Yes.

 8    Q.     And is this the residence and the location where you

 9    would use your desktop computer and your laptop computer?

10    A.     Yes.

11                  MR. MARSHALL:   You can put that down, please.          Thank

12    you.

13    BY MR. MARSHALL:

14    Q.     And, again, in using your computer, I think you testified

15    earlier, correct me if I'm wrong, did you have access to the

16    Gaines Reservation & Travel bank account?

17    A.     Yes.

18    Q.     Could you access it by computer if you wanted to?

19    A.     Yes.

20    Q.     Did you have the log-in information and password and so

21    forth?

22    A.     Yes.

23    Q.     And could you do that from Ms. Jackson's house when you

24    were using one of your computers?

25    A.     Yes.


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 1    Q.   Let me step back a little bit, Mr. Gaines, and talk to

 2    you about -- now, in this case you received a subpoena to

 3    testify from Defendant Jackson; is that right?

 4    A.   Yes.

 5    Q.   You received it through your attorney --

 6    A.   Yes.

 7    Q.   -- Deana Wiley; is that correct?

 8    A.   Yes.

 9    Q.   And Ms. Wiley is actually participating.           And she's here

10    on Zoom while we're asking you questions; correct?             Right?

11    A.   Yes.

12    Q.   Okay.    All right.

13         Even if you had not received a subpoena from us to

14    testify, would you have wanted to testify voluntarily anyway?

15         Did you want to be here?

16    A.   No.

17    Q.   Did you want to be here to testify on your ex-wife's

18    behalf?

19    A.   I mean, I was subpoenaed.       So, I mean, last thing I need

20    to do is violate some more rules and get into more trouble, so

21    I'm here.

22    Q.   Would it be fair to say that you kept a lot of this --

23    all this information about the PPP loans and the fraudulent

24    nature of the loans from Ms. Jackson?

25    A.   Pretty much, yes.


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 1    Q.   What do you mean by "pretty much"?

 2    A.   I didn't tell her anything.

 3    Q.   Okay.    All right.

 4         You pled out and you're here testifying today.               Can you

 5    tell us why it's taken almost three years or over three years

 6    to come in and finally testify truthfully about this matter?

 7    A.   The previous attorney I had basically just told me to

 8    plead out and he didn't explain anything to me.               And then

 9    Ms. Wiley, you know, kept -- pretty much broke everything down

10    for me, gave me all the information and explained to me how

11    the system works.

12    Q.   Let me ask you this:       Do you feel responsible in some way

13    for Ms. Jackson being here today?

14    A.   Definitely.

15    Q.   Definitely?

16    A.   Yes.

17    Q.   Would this be because of secrets that you held from her?

18    A.   Yes.

19    Q.   Secrets kind of like when you were unfaithful to her and

20    when you had kids outside the marriage?

21    A.   Yes.

22                MR. MARSHALL:   That's all I have right now, Judge.

23                Thank you, sir.

24                THE COURT:   Any cross?

25                MS. CHAIKEN:    Yes, Your Honor.


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 1                   THE COURT:   Go ahead.

 2                   THE WITNESS:   Can I get some water?

 3                   THE COURT:   Certainly.

 4                   Thank you, Ms. Lee.

 5                                  CROSS-EXAMINATION

 6    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

 7    Q.      Are you okay to proceed, Mr. Gaines?

 8    A.      Yeah, I'm all right.

 9    Q.      Good afternoon.

10            Mr. Gaines, you were charged in this case in July of

11    2021; correct?

12    A.      Yes.

13    Q.      And until less than two weeks ago you were supposed to be

14    part of this trial; right?

15    A.      Yes.

16    Q.      You were supposed to be sitting at one of these tables

17    here?

18    A.      Yes.

19    Q.      And you pleaded guilty less than a week before the trial

20    was supposed to start; correct?

21    A.      That's correct.

22    Q.      And when you pleaded guilty, you were placed under oath

23    just like you were today; correct?

24    A.      That's correct.

25    Q.      And you swore to tell the truth; correct?


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 1    A.   Yes.

 2    Q.   And you admitted that you committed money laundering;

 3    right?

 4    A.   That's correct.

 5    Q.   And you also admitted that you were part of the

 6    underlying PPP loan fraud; correct?

 7    A.   Yes.

 8    Q.   Now, you've testified this afternoon that the money that

 9    Gaines Reservation & Travel paid to Management Resource

10    Services was actually for payroll for a real estate project in

11    Montgomery, Alabama; correct?

12    A.   Yes.

13    Q.   Do you remember when you pleaded guilty, that Judge

14    Boulee explained to you that he could only accept your plea of

15    guilty if he found that there was a factual basis for it?

16    A.   Can you repeat that again?

17    Q.   Do you remember when you pleaded guilty, that Judge

18    Boulee told you he could only accept your plea of guilty if

19    there was a factual basis for the plea?

20    A.   Yes.

21    Q.   And do you remember that he asked me in court to say what

22    we believe the facts that we could prove at trial would be?

23    A.   Yes.

24    Q.   And do you remember that I actually sent your attorney

25    what I was going to read the day before the plea hearing?


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 1    A.   I can't recall that part.

 2    Q.   Now, after Judge Boulee asked me to state those facts, he

 3    asked you if you had any disagreement with those facts.

 4         Do you remember that?

 5    A.   Yes.

 6    Q.   Do you remember saying that you did not have any

 7    disagreements other than one clarification about who was the

 8    owner of Gaines Reservation & Travel?

 9    A.   Yes.

10    Q.   And when I explained what the facts would show at trial

11    as to the wire transfer from Gaines Reservation & Travel to

12    Management Resource Services, I said Gaines Reservation had no

13    payroll and the purpose of the transfer was not payroll

14    services; correct?

15    A.   I don't recall.

16    Q.   Would it refresh your recollection if I showed you a

17    transcript of your plea hearing?

18    A.   Yes.    Yes.

19    Q.   I'll direct your attention to page 17, bottom of page 17

20    and the top of page 18.      And if you could just read that to

21    yourself.

22                MR. MARSHALL:   Excuse me, Your Honor.        Is the

23    government providing this to Ms. Wiley?

24                MS. CHAIKEN:    Ms. Wiley was at the hearing.        I

25    don't --


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 1                THE COURT:   I've heard no objection from Ms. Wiley,

 2    so go ahead, Ms. Chaiken.

 3    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

 4    Q.   Mr. Gaines, have you had an opportunity to review the

 5    transcript from your plea hearing?

 6    A.   No, not yet.

 7    Q.   Okay.

 8    A.   All right.

 9                MR. MARSHALL:   Your Honor, can I see what the

10    government's having him review?

11                THE COURT:   Of course.

12                MR. MARSHALL:   Okay.   Thanks.

13    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

14    Q.   Mr. Gaines, does reviewing the transcript refresh your

15    memory that I said, On June 22nd, 2020, Defendant Gaines

16    caused a wire transfer to be sent from Gaines Reservation to a

17    company called Management Resource Services in the amount of

18    $179,985.72?

19    A.   Yes.

20    Q.   And then I said the purpose of the transfer was listed as

21    payroll services?

22    A.   Yes.

23    Q.   And then I said, In reality, however, Gaines Reservation

24    had no payroll and the purpose of the transfer was not payroll

25    services; correct?


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 1    A.   Yes.

 2    Q.   And then I said, Instead, the transfer was designed to

 3    conceal the location, nature and source of the fraudulently

 4    obtained PPP loan proceeds by making them appear to be spent

 5    on payroll while sending them to an account controlled by

 6    Mr. Gaines's ex-wife, Carla Jackson; correct?

 7    A.   Yes.

 8    Q.   And then your attorney made a clarification for the

 9    record about the fact that Andre Gaines is the person who owns

10    Gaines Reservation & Travel; correct?

11    A.   Correct.

12    Q.   And then Judge Boulee asked you, Mr. Gaines, with those

13    caveats, do you disagree with anything else that the Assistant

14    US Attorney said?

15         Do you remember that?

16    A.   Yes.

17    Q.   And you said, no, you did not disagree; correct?

18    A.   Yes.

19    Q.   So two weeks ago when you were sitting in this very

20    courthouse under oath what you said was that the money was not

21    actually for payroll; correct?

22                MR. MARSHALL:   Judge, I'm going to object.         I

23    think -- if I remember, I think I was asking questions to the

24    witness about the funds going to Management Resource Services

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 1    I thought that was the focus of my question, Judge, not Gaines

 2    Reservation & Travel and whether they were using funds for

 3    payroll.

 4                THE COURT:    Ms. Chaiken.

 5                MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, we're talking about the

 6    exact same transaction that Mr. Marshall was asking questions

 7    about.

 8                THE COURT:    Overruled.

 9    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

10    Q.   So, Mr. Gaines, two weeks ago in this courthouse you

11    testified -- you agreed under oath that the purpose of the

12    payment from Gaines Reservation & Travel to Management

13    Resource Services was not actually for any payroll; correct?

14    A.   Based on the transcript, yes.

15    Q.   And your testimony here to this jury today under oath is

16    that it was?

17    A.   The funds were for the purchase of the building and to do

18    construction on the building.

19    Q.   So you've changed your testimony in the past two weeks of

20    what the money was for?

21    A.   That's what it was all the time.

22                MR. MARSHALL:     Judge, I'm going to object.         I don't

23    think that's what the facts have shown, but I'd like to put my

24    objection in, Judge.

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 1    it on the record, but what's the objection?

 2                MR. MARSHALL:   Just to what he testified to, Judge.

 3    I don't think it's inconsistent.        I think the questions that I

 4    asked were related to whether the funds that were going into

 5    Management Resource Services were going to be payroll related.

 6    And if him saying if it was, yes, it was going to be used for

 7    that, for hiring people and things like that, that's not being

 8    untruthful in his sentencing hearing for about how the funds

 9    and -- what representations he made about Gaines Reservation &

10    Travel.

11                My questions are focused on what he relayed to

12    Ms. Jackson and what the funds were supposed to be for for

13    MRS, Management Resource Services, Judge.           Not Gaines.

14                THE COURT:   All right.

15                Ms. Chaiken, I think you've already responded to

16    that, but do you want to say anything else?

17                MS. CHAIKEN:    No, Your Honor.

18                THE COURT:   All right.    Overruled.

19    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

20    Q.   Now, Mr. Gaines, you testified a lot about Andre Gaines

21    and what his involvement was in Gaines Reservation & Travel.

22         Do you remember all of that testimony?

23    A.   Today?

24    Q.   Yes.

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 1    Q.      Now, isn't it true that Andre Gaines had a stroke in

 2    2018?

 3    A.      I don't recall.

 4    Q.      You don't recall your cousin, that you worked closely

 5    with in business, having a stroke?

 6    A.      No, I don't.

 7    Q.      Isn't it true that he's been diagnosed as having

 8    generalized cerebral dysfunction?

 9    A.      Yeah, he has medical issues.

10    Q.      And then in 2020 he was 67 years old; correct?

11    A.      Yes.

12    Q.      Okay.   And he was retired?

13    A.      Yes.

14    Q.      And, in fact, he was permanently disabled at that point

15    in time; correct?

16    A.      Yes.

17    Q.      And he had been retired since 2014; right?

18    A.      I don't know.   I don't recall.      I don't know that.

19    Q.      He had bad short-term memory; right?

20    A.      I don't know his medical history like that.

21    Q.      He was slow to respond when you asked him questions?

22    A.      He's always had a stuttering speech impediment.

23    Q.      But he was also slow to respond because he had trouble

24    understanding; right?

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 1    Q.   Did you notice in 2018 that his cognitive function got a

 2    lot worse?

 3    A.   I don't recall.        I mean, when we hung out, he spoke well,

 4    he moved well, he was capable of functioning daily.             So I

 5    don't know his medical history.

 6    Q.   And so you're saying that you and Mr. Gaines, who was

 7    then in his late 60s and had been retired for almost six

 8    years, all of a sudden decided to do a construction project

 9    together in Alabama?

10    A.   Yes.

11    Q.   And now you testified about Mr. Gaines -- I'm sorry --

12    about Andre Gaines having involvement in the PPP loan fraud,

13    do you remember that?

14    A.   Yes.

15    Q.   Do you remember testifying that it was his name on the

16    PPP loan application?

17    A.   Yes.

18    Q.   But it wasn't Andre Gaines who actually signed that PPP

19    loan application; right?

20    A.   Based on what -- based on some information I received, it

21    was in all the packets when I was reviewing them.             And on the

22    recordings she said he signed it and sent it (sic).

23    Q.   And that's because you told him to say that; right?

24    A.   No.

25    Q.   Because after the FBI called him, you had back-and-forth


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 1    phone calls with him the whole day, talking about what to say?

 2    A.     No.    I don't recall.

 3    Q.     You know personally that Darrell Thomas is the person who

 4    signed that PPP loan application; correct?

 5    A.     I don't know if Darrell even signed it, to be honest with

 6    you.   I don't know who signed it.

 7    Q.     Well, Darrell Thomas e-mailed you the signed PPP loan

 8    application after it was signed; right?

 9    A.     I beg your pardon?

10    Q.     You use the e-mail address gainesmarty@gmail.com;

11    correct?

12    A.     Yes.

13    Q.     Okay.   You use the alias Marty Gaines?

14    A.     Yes.

15    Q.     And after the PPP loan application for Gaines

16    Reservation & Travel was signed, Darrell Thomas sent you

17    those documents; correct?

18    A.     Yes.

19    Q.     So you knew that Darrell Thomas was the one who submitted

20    that loan, not Andre Gaines; right?

21    A.     I can't speak on Darrell -- what Darrell did.            I can't

22    speak on what he did or didn't do.          I don't know.

23    Q.     And you also don't know whether Andre Gaines did any of

24    that; right?

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 1    I listened to, he said he signed it and sent it.                So I don't

 2    know how that played out.         We got the funds, that's all I

 3    know.    We ended up receiving the funds.

 4    Q.      Mr. Gaines, it was you, not Andre Gaines, who was working

 5    with Darrell Thomas to prepare the PPP loan application;

 6    correct?

 7    A.      Yes.

 8    Q.      You're the one who sent Darrell Thomas a fake bank

 9    statement for Gaines Reservation & Travel?

10    A.      I beg your pardon?

11    Q.      You sent him a fake bank statement for Gaines Reservation

12    & Travel?

13    A.      I don't recall sending any documentation or fake bank

14    statement to Darrell.         He requested at one point in time that

15    I get a fake bank statement.         And I responded, Marie.         And

16    that's it.       But I never -- I don't recall sending him any bank

17    statements, me, personally sending him a bank statement.

18    Q.      Okay.    So your testimony is that you did not prepare

19    fake -- pay someone to prepare fake bank statements for Gaines

20    Reservation & Travel?

21    A.      I don't recall.       I said I do not recall.

22    Q.      Okay.    Let me see if we can refresh your memory with

23    that.

24                   MS. CHAIKEN:    Ms. Holland, could you please pull up

25    Government Exhibit 1408.


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 1    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

 2    Q.      This is your e-mail address, correct, Mr. Gaines?

 3    A.      Yes.

 4    Q.      And Marie L. is a person who created fake documents for

 5    you?

 6    A.      That's -- yeah, I guess so.        Yes.

 7    Q.      And you asked her to create a fake bank statement for

 8    Gaines Reservation & Travel; correct?

 9    A.      Yes.

10    Q.      And then you provided that bank statement to Darrell

11    Thomas; correct?

12    A.      I don't know if I ever got the bank statement and

13    provided a bank statement.           That's what I'm saying.

14                   MS. CHAIKEN:   Ms. Holland, is 1207 in?

15                   MS. HOLLAND:   Yes.

16                   MS. CHAIKEN:   Could you please publish Exhibit 1207.

17    Okay.

18    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

19    Q.      Mr. Gaines, does this refresh your memory that you did

20    get fake bank statements from Marie L. and send them to

21    Darrell Thomas?

22    A.      I mean, that's just the text -- e-mail message.               I don't

23    recall getting the actual bank statement and sending it to

24    Darrell.

25    Q.      Would you like to see the attachment?


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 1    A.      Yeah, I'd like to see the statement.

 2                   MS. CHAIKEN:   Let's publish 1207A, please.

 3    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

 4    Q.      Mr. Gaines, this is the attachment to that e-mail that

 5    you sent to Darrell Thomas.        Does this refresh your

 6    recollection that you sent fake bank statements for Gaines

 7    Reservation & Travel to Darrell Thomas?

 8    A.      Could you scroll it up, please, so I can see the second

 9    page?

10            I don't recall this statement -- me sending this

11    statement from my e-mail.

12    Q.      gainesmarty@gmail.com is your e-mail account; correct?

13    A.      Yes.

14    Q.      Okay.    And you're telling this jury that this was not you

15    e-mailing this?

16    A.      I said I don't recall.

17    Q.      Okay.    Do you have any reason to doubt that you sent this

18    e-mail?

19    A.      Yes.

20    Q.      What's that?

21    A.      I just don't recall.

22    Q.      Do you have any reason to doubt that someone -- that you

23    used your e-mail account and e-mailed this to Darrell Thomas?

24    A.      I don't recall sending this e-mail to -- this particular

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 1    the -- if it came from the e-mail, can I see where it came

 2    from my e-mail?     I don't recall.

 3                MS. CHAIKEN:     Yeah.   Ms. Holland, could you put 1207

 4    side by side with 1207A, please.

 5    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

 6    Q.   So this is the e-mail and then there's -- that's the

 7    first attachment.     There's two more attachments, which I can

 8    show you if you'd like.

 9    A.   No.     Would the e-mail -- wouldn't the e-mail have my name

10    and the document attached to it going to Darrell if I sent it?

11    Q.   Yes.

12         On the left, Government Exhibit 1207 is an e-mail from

13    gainesmarty@gmail.com to Darrell Thomas.          And there are three

14    attachments.

15         Do you see that the first one says Jan1.pdf?

16    A.   I don't -- oh, January 1, okay.         I don't recall sending

17    that, though.    I really don't.

18                MS. CHAIKEN:     Ms. Holland, could you please publish

19    Government Exhibit 1206 side by side with 1206A.

20    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

21    Q.   Here's another e-mail from gainesmarty@gmail.com to

22    Darrell Thomas attaching a Gaines Reservation & Travel bank

23    statement.    Do you remember sending this to Darrell Thomas?

24    A.   I don't recall.        It's been three, four years.       I mean, I

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 1    Q.   Do you remember admitting at your plea hearing that you

 2    sent multiple fabricated bank statements to Darrell Thomas?

 3    A.   I don't recall everything I said.

 4    Q.   So two weeks ago at your plea hearing you remembered that

 5    you sent fabricated bank statements and now you've forgotten?

 6    A.   I'm just trying to refresh my memory.

 7    Q.   Okay.    Well, so -- did anybody else have access to your

 8    e-mail account?

 9    A.   People hack stuff all the time.

10    Q.   So you think somebody hacked your e-mail and e-mailed

11    Darrell Thomas a fake bank statement?

12    A.   No disrespect, I just said I don't recall.

13    Q.   Do you have any --

14              MR. MARSHALL:     The question has been asked and

15    answered several times.      He can't recall if he's sending these

16    documents is what he's said.

17              THE COURT:    Ms. Chaiken.

18              MS. CHAIKEN:      Your Honor, I don't think he's really

19    answered it because I've asked him multiple times if he has a

20    basis to dispute he sent it and he keeps just saying, I don't

21    recall.

22              THE COURT:    All right.     I'm going to sustain the

23    objection.    Let's move on, please.

24              MS. CHAIKEN:      Okay.

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 1    Q.   Now, Mr. Gaines, you have been using Marie,

 2    checkstubsinfo@gmail.com, to make fake documents for you since

 3    at least as far back as 2016; correct?

 4    A.   I don't recall.        It's 2024.

 5    Q.   Would it refresh your recollection to look at some

 6    e-mails between you and her?

 7    A.   Yes.

 8         Thank you.

 9                MR. MARSHALL:     Judge, I'm going to object to this.           I

10    don't see the relevance to this, to the line of questioning

11    that I asked him about his involvement with Gaines

12    Reservation & Travel.

13                MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, Mr. Gaines's years long

14    involvement in fabrication of documents is impeachment

15    evidence.     It relates to his credibility.

16                THE COURT:    Overruled.

17    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

18    Q.   Mr. Gaines, does this refresh your recollection that

19    Marie L. has been making documents for you since at least as

20    far back as 2016?

21    A.   Yes.

22    Q.   And she made fake pay stubs for you; right?

23    A.   Yes.

24    Q.   She also made fake titles for you, fake vehicle titles;

25    right?


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 1    A.   I don't recall.

 2                MR. MARSHALL:   Judge, I'm going to object.         That's

 3    not relevant to what we're talking about.          We're talking about

 4    PPP loan applications and then we're talking -- we're going

 5    beyond that into another area, Judge.

 6                MS. CHAIKEN:    Your Honor, Mr. Gaines's credibility is

 7    at issue.

 8                THE COURT:   Overruled.

 9    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

10    Q.   Mr. Gaines, you asked Marie to make vehicle titles for

11    you; correct?

12    A.   Yes.

13    Q.   You asked her to make driver's licenses for you; correct?

14    A.   Do you have another sample?

15         Yes.

16    Q.   You asked her to create fake doctor's notes to provide a

17    work excuse for you; correct?

18    A.   Yes.

19    Q.   You asked her to create fake letters saying that your

20    identity had been stolen so that you could send them in to

21    credit bureaus; correct?

22    A.   I don't recall that one.

23         Thank you.

24    Q.   You sent her a letter that you had drafted that was meant

25    to look like it was a letter from a bank saying that you


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 1    had -- that someone had opened an account -- a credit card

 2    account in your name without your authorization; correct?

 3    A.   This is not my name on the documentation.

 4    Q.   If you look at the third page of what I gave you, that's

 5    your name there; correct?

 6    A.   Oh, yes.

 7    Q.   And this is a letter that you typed up that's supposedly

 8    about somebody opening an account in your name?

 9    A.   Yes.

10    Q.   And then you sent her a real document from a bank and

11    asked her to put your letter onto the bank's letterhead;

12    correct?

13    A.   I don't recall that.

14    Q.   Okay.    If you could look at the first page, does that

15    refresh your recollection that you asked her to please cut and

16    paste the letter you typed --

17    A.   Yes.

18    Q.   -- to the letterhead?

19    A.   Yes.

20    Q.   You also used Marie L. to create fake police reports;

21    correct?

22    A.   Yes.

23    Q.   And you used her to create fake utility bills; correct?

24    A.   Yes.

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 1    correct?

 2    A.   Yes.

 3    Q.   And you used her to create fake tax forms; correct?

 4    A.   Fake what?

 5    Q.   Tax forms, like W-2s and things like that.

 6    A.   I don't recall.

 7         Thank you.

 8    Q.   You asked Marie to create documents reflecting fake

 9    earnings for you; correct?

10    A.   Well, they're not for me, but yes.

11    Q.   For other people?

12    A.   Yes.

13    Q.   And you've used Marie to make it look previously like you

14    were actually an employee of Management Resource Services;

15    correct?

16    A.   I don't recall that.

17    Q.   You asked Marie to take a pay stub and change the

18    employer's name to Management Resource Services and change the

19    name on the pay stubs to Marty Gaines; correct?

20    A.   Yes.

21    Q.   And you asked her to change the information on the W-2s

22    to match the pay stubs; correct?

23    A.   Yes.

24    Q.   Is it fair to say that you've used her to make so many

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 1    what you've asked her for?

 2    A.   Possibly.

 3    Q.   And in those few years, from 2016 to 2020, any time you

 4    needed a document that showed something you didn't have, you

 5    just had her make it; right?

 6    A.   Pretty much, yes.

 7    Q.   Now, I want to switch gears for a moment and talk about

 8    Ms. Jackson.

 9         Ms. Jackson's a sophisticated businesswoman, isn't she?

10    A.   Yes.

11    Q.   She's been working for decades in the business world?

12    A.   Yes.

13    Q.   She works on large-scale projects for businesses?

14    A.   Yes.

15    Q.   And she's worked for various companies in corporate

16    America?

17    A.   Yes.

18    Q.   And she's managed projects worth millions of dollars?

19    A.   I mean, I don't know all that.         But I'm assuming, yes.

20    Q.   She knows how businesses deal with each other; right?

21                MR. MARSHALL:   Excuse me.      Can you repeat that

22    question?

23    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

24    Q.   She knows how businesses deal with each other?

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 1    Q.   Like, she knows, for example, that companies don't make

 2    upfront payments of $300,000 for contracts that haven't been

 3    signed and deals that haven't been made?

 4    A.   I don't know what she thinks or how she perceives certain

 5    things.    I don't know.

 6    Q.   But she's sophisticated; right?

 7    A.   Yes.

 8    Q.   She's someone who knows business; right?

 9    A.   Yes.

10    Q.   Now, you and Ms. Jackson were married for a long time;

11    correct?

12    A.   Yes.

13    Q.   And she -- y'all spent a lot of time together; right?

14    A.   Yes.

15    Q.   And she knew your family?

16    A.   Yes.

17    Q.   And she knew your cousin Andre Gaines?

18    A.   Vaguely, yes.

19    Q.   Yeah.    Well, you said you and Andre Gaines worked very

20    closely in business; right?

21    A.   Yes.

22    Q.   And so --

23    A.   This particular project, yes.

24    Q.   And he's your first cousin; right?

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 1    Q.     And she knew him?

 2    A.     She met him, yes.

 3    Q.     Now, you and Ms. Jackson separated around November

 4    of 2019; is that right?

 5    A.     I can't recall the date.       Somewhere around there.

 6    Q.     Okay.    It was before you got involved in PPP loan fraud;

 7    right?

 8    A.     Yes.

 9    Q.     And you testified that that was because she found out you

10    had been keeping secrets from her?

11    A.     Yes.

12    Q.     And so at that point she didn't trust you anymore, did

13    she?

14    A.     I don't know -- I can't speak on how she felt or what she

15    thought.

16    Q.     Well, you testified that's what caused her to file for

17    divorce; right?

18    A.     My infidelity.

19    Q.     And at that point she knew that you had been keeping

20    secrets from her; right?

21    A.     I assume that.     I don't know.       You will have to ask her.

22    Q.     Well, you testified that you told her, that she found out

23    that you had been unfaithful; correct?

24    A.     I testified what again?

25    Q.     That you had told her or that she had found out that you


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 1    were unfaithful.

 2    A.   Yeah.    She found out, yes.

 3    Q.   And so at that point she knew that you had been keeping

 4    secrets from her because you did not previously tell her you

 5    had been unfaithful; correct?

 6    A.   Yes.    Yes.

 7    Q.   Now, you testified that you went to Montgomery, Alabama,

 8    to look at some real estate; correct?

 9    A.   Yes.

10    Q.   And those were the photographs we looked at?

11    A.   Yes.

12    Q.   And those are just photographs of you alone in

13    Montgomery, Alabama; correct?

14    A.   No.    I wasn't alone.     Someone had to take the picture.

15    Q.   And what I understood you to be saying is that you were

16    so intoxicated on this business trip that you don't even

17    remember who you were with?

18    A.   I said a couple drinks and that was several years ago.               I

19    said I don't recall.

20    Q.   You don't remember who you were with on a business trip

21    to scout properties?

22    A.   Not that particular time, no.

23    Q.   And you don't remember when that trip was?

24    A.   Not right offhand, no, not without the pictures.             I guess

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 1    Q.    Was this trip before the pandemic started or after the

 2    pandemic started?

 3    A.    I think just -- right after the pandemic, I believe.

 4    Q.    After the pandemic started?

 5    A.    (Nods head.)

 6    Q.    And you have some photographs of you at the Peace and

 7    Justice Memorial Center?

 8    A.    Yes.

 9    Q.    Did you go into the museum on your trip?

10    A.    I don't know if it was open or not.         I'm just -- I'm from

11    the Midwest and, you know, you seen a lot of stuff growing up

12    as a kid about history in the south and I was -- I happened to

13    be there, so I just wanted to see it for myself.

14    Q.    But you don't remember if you actually went and saw it?

15    A.    I don't know if it was open or not.

16    Q.    Now, you have some pictures of a building that has the

17    number 2307 on it; right?      Those were the pictures we looked

18    at?

19    A.    Yes.

20    Q.    What was the address of that building where you were

21    going to do the project?

22    A.    I guess it was 23 -- it was the whole building, L-shaped

23    building.

24    Q.    What was the address of that building?

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 1    Q.     This was a building that you've said you visited several

 2    times?

 3    A.     Yes.

 4    Q.     And you were going to -- you had plans to do a major

 5    renovation and construction project there?

 6    A.     Yes.

 7    Q.     And you don't know what the address of that building is?

 8    A.     Not right offhand.      That's four, five, six years ago now.

 9    Q.     Do you have any copies of any real estate listings of

10    that property being for sale?

11    A.     There was a big sign -- there was a big sign in front to

12    call if you was interested in the building.

13    Q.     That's not in any of your photos, is it?

14    A.     I can't recall.       You can pull them back up again and I'll

15    look at them again.

16                  MS. CHAIKEN:    Could we pull up 20, please -- sorry,

17    J20.

18    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

19    Q.     So Defense Exhibit J20, there's no for sale sign in this

20    picture, right, or anything about calling for information?

21    A.     Yeah, I don't see it.

22                  MS. CHAIKEN:    Exhibit J21, please.

23    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

24    Q.     This is a picture of a street sign; right?

25    A.     Yes.


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 1    Q.      And 27 -- 2307 North Panama, that's not an address that

 2    exists; right?

 3    A.      I beg your pardon?

 4    Q.      2307 North Panama is not an address that exists; right?

 5    A.      That's the area where the building was.

 6    Q.      Okay.    But this is not the street that the building is

 7    the address of; right?

 8    A.      Are you going to show me the rest of the photos?

 9    Q.      Okay.    Well, I'm just asking you to confirm that it's not

10    2307 North Panama because that address does not exist.

11    A.      I can't recall.

12                   MS. CHAIKEN:   If you could go to J22, please.

13    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

14    Q.      There's no for sale sign in this picture; correct?

15    A.      Yes.    Right on the other side of the tree there's a big

16    board.     Right where the tree is in front of the building

17    there's a board right there on the window that says call.

18    You can see the white board right -- just beyond the tree.

19    There's a board right there that says if you're interested in

20    this property, call.

21    Q.      Where are you looking?

22    A.      See where the tree is in front of the building where the

23    L is?

24    Q.      Yes.

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 1    below it where the limb is, down -- right there.                There's a

 2    white board right there with a number for you to call.

 3    Q.   Okay.      You didn't take a picture of that sign, did you?

 4    A.   I don't recall.        You got my text messages and all that,

 5    pictures and stuff; right?         I'm just asking a question.

 6    Q.   Mr. Gaines, have you given all of your text messages that

 7    you have related to this transaction?

 8    A.   I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful.                I'm just

 9    saying if you already have all my text messages and

10    everything, that should be in there because I did take a

11    picture of it.

12    Q.   Mr. Gaines, Mr. Marshall showed you one text message that

13    you provided.

14    A.   Well, I mean, there is a sign there that says call this

15    number if you're interested in the property.             And that's what

16    I did.

17    Q.   Do you have any communications that you had with a real

18    estate agent about purchasing this property?

19    A.   It was actually privately owned.

20    Q.   Do you have any communications with anybody that you

21    talked to about buying the property?

22    A.   Not at this time, no.

23    Q.   Do you have any text messages between you and the private

24    owner or any communications between you and the private owner?

25    A.   Not to be disrespectful, I mean, you guys have all the


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 1    information.    I don't have it.     I mean, I'm sure if you go

 2    through the text messages or whatever, there should be

 3    something there somewhere.

 4               MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, if there's information,

 5    we've not been provided it, so I would --

 6               THE WITNESS:     No.   You said there wasn't any

 7    information saying where the property was, and it's right

 8    there on the window.

 9    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

10    Q.   Mr. Gaines, I'm asking you if you have any communications

11    with the owner of this property about buying it.

12    A.   At the time when I called them, yes.          After I took the

13    information off the board, yes.

14    Q.   Okay.     And you don't have those here with you, do you?

15    A.   No.

16    Q.   Do you have any communications with a bank or a mortgage

17    company about getting a loan to buy the property?

18    A.   Why do I need that when we got the PPP money?             I didn't

19    need a loan from a bank.

20    Q.   Well, you testified that you went on this visit right at

21    the beginning of the pandemic; right?

22    A.   I said just after the pandemic, just before we got the

23    PPP loan money.

24    Q.   Right.    So at that time you didn't know that you were

25    going to get a PPP loan, did you?


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 1    A.   That's not what I stated.       I said looked at the building

 2    several times, just before we got the PPP money.              When the PPP

 3    money came in, we went back over, looked at it a few more

 4    times, talked to the guy who was selling the building, and

 5    then everything went crazy.

 6    Q.   And you don't have any messages that you exchanged with

 7    Andre Gaines about this project you were going to do?

 8    A.   If there are, they're in my text messages.               And I'm sure

 9    you guys have all that information, that's what I'm saying.

10    When you gathered all this information about all the documents

11    I had doctored up, you should have all my text messages and

12    pictures as well.

13    Q.   Mr. Gaines, have you made all of your text messages

14    available to anyone in this case?

15    A.   I didn't make any of this available.          You guys presented

16    it to me.

17    Q.   Right.    You keep saying that we have your messages.

18    A.   I mean, if you -- all I'm saying -- I'm not trying to be

19    disrespectful --

20                MR. MARSHALL:   Your Honor, I'm going to object at

21    this point.    He was not under a duty when he was a defendant

22    in this case to turn over all of his stuff.          They had every

23    opportunity to subpoena records, get court orders, get search

24    warrants and everything.

25                THE COURT:   What's your objection, Mr. Marshall?            I


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 1    mean, you've made a statement about your position on

 2    something, but I'm not sure I heard an objection.

 3               MR. MARSHALL:     Asked and answered.       It's the same

 4    question going back and forth about these communications.

 5               THE COURT:    Ms. Chaiken?

 6               MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, I'm allowed to elicit

 7    testimony that he doesn't have anything to corroborate the

 8    testimony he's now giving.

 9               MR. MARSHALL:     He answered he doesn't have a copy of

10    the real estate transaction.        And he's answered several

11    questions along those lines.        And he kept saying, if there's

12    anything, you should have it, you have all my e-mails, you

13    have everything.

14               THE COURT:    Ms. Chaiken, anything else in response?

15               MS. CHAIKEN:     No, Your Honor.

16               THE COURT:    Ms. Chaiken, how much more do you have on

17    this?

18               MS. CHAIKEN:     Not a lot, Your Honor.

19               THE COURT:    All right.     I'll give you a little

20    leeway.    I'm not sure he's answered your question, but I think

21    Mr. Marshall's objection may be well taken if you go on too

22    much further down this line.

23               MS. CHAIKEN:     Ms. Holland, could you please pull up

24    Government Exhibit 13 -- I'm sorry -- Jackson Exhibit 13.

25    BY MS. CHAIKEN:


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 1    Q.   Mr. Gaines, do you remember Mr. Marshall showed you this

 2    text message?

 3    A.   Yes.

 4    Q.   Okay.      Is this the only text message that you provided

 5    related to any of this having to do with the project and the

 6    payments to Management Resource Services?

 7    A.   Maybe it's me, maybe I just don't understand what's going

 8    on because like I said before, I didn't provide anything.                You

 9    guys obtained this information and now you've presented it to

10    me, about some of the things that I've done in the past.                So,

11    therefore, I mean, I don't know.          You picked and choosed which

12    ones you wanted to bring.         I don't know.

13                MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, I'm going to move to strike

14    that as non-responsive.

15                THE COURT:    All right.     One moment.

16                I'm going to deny the motion to strike.

17                We've been going a good while.        Ms. Chaiken, are you

18    close to the end of your cross or how much more do you have?

19                MS. CHAIKEN:     It would probably be a good time for a

20    break.

21                THE COURT:    Okay.

22                Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we will go ahead

23    and take a ten-minute break.         Thank you.

24                (The jury exited the courtroom.)

25                (After a recess at 2:47 p.m., the proceedings


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 1    continued at 3:00 p.m. as follows:)

 2                THE COURT:    I understand we have an issue,

 3    Mr. Gaines.      Do you need to speak with your attorney?            Is that

 4    right?

 5                THE WITNESS:     Yes.

 6                THE COURT:    Okay.     You know, as we discussed, we can

 7    break to let him do that.         So we will break and let you have

 8    that conversation separately with your attorney.                And then

 9    we'll go back on the record and bring out the jury, okay?

10                MR. MARSHALL:     I guess, for the record, I'm going to

11    let Mr. Gaines use my phone, I guess.

12                THE COURT:    That's fine.

13                We're off the record.

14                (Off-the-record discussion.)

15                (After a recess at 3:01 p.m., the proceedings

16    continued at 3:07 p.m. as follows:)

17                (The jury entered the courtroom.)

18                THE COURT:    Y'all can be seated.       Thank you.

19                And, Ms. Chaiken, you can continue with your

20    questioning.

21                MS. CHAIKEN:     Thank you, Your Honor.

22                Ms. Holland, could you please publish Government

23    Exhibit 1160.      And if you could go down to the last page,

24    please.

25    BY MS. CHAIKEN:


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 1    Q.   Mr. Gaines, do you recognize the signature on this

 2    signature card?

 3    A.   Yes.

 4    Q.   It's Ms. Jackson's signature?

 5    A.   Yes.

 6                MS. CHAIKEN:     If you could go to Government

 7    Exhibit 1167, please.        If you could scroll down, please.

 8    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

 9    Q.   This is the first check that Gaines Reservation & Travel

10    wrote to Management Resource Services; correct?

11    A.   Yes.

12    Q.   And you testified that it was Andre Gaines who wrote this

13    check?

14    A.   Yes.

15    Q.   And it was you who told him what to write; correct?

16    A.   Yes.

17    Q.   And it was you who gave that check to Ms. Jackson?

18    A.   I think we both were there.

19    Q.   And it was Ms. Jackson who deposited the check into the

20    Management Resource's account; correct?

21    A.   Yes.

22                MS. CHAIKEN:     If you could go back up to page 1,

23    please, Ms. Holland.

24    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

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 1    correct?

 2    A.   Yes.

 3    Q.   You recognize it from the time that you were with her?

 4    A.   More or less, yes.

 5                MS. CHAIKEN:    If you could go back to the check,

 6    please, Ms. Holland.

 7    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

 8    Q.   Now, when Ms. Jackson got this check from you, she didn't

 9    ask you why can't you keep this money in your own account

10    until the project is further underway; right?

11    A.   She could have but she -- that never came up.

12    Q.   She didn't ask you, why are you transferring this to me

13    now if we don't even own the building in Montgomery, Alabama,

14    yet; right?

15    A.   Could you ask me that again now.

16    Q.   Well, she didn't ask you why the payment was coming now

17    even though you didn't even own the building yet; right?

18    A.   Oh.    What happened -- what actually happened when we

19    started moving the money over to MRS was Darrell Thomas had

20    called me and told me to tell -- he said that the PPP people

21    were pulling the money back, taking money back from people.

22    And so we decided to move it before they took it back.

23    Q.   So you wanted to get it out of the Gaines Reservation &

24    Travel account to hide it; right?

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 1    yes.

 2    Q.     But Ms. Jackson didn't ask you, you know, why are you

 3    moving it now, we don't even have a project yet; right?

 4    A.     I didn't really -- like I said before when we talked

 5    about the project, I didn't really go into detail a whole lot

 6    about what was going to happen with that building at that

 7    time, no.    So he just told us we needed to move the money.

 8    And we didn't want them to take it back, so we moved it.

 9    Q.     At this time in June 8th of 2020, Ms. Jackson was not

10    doing any consulting for Gaines Reservation & Travel; correct?

11    A.     No.

12    Q.     And she was not doing any daily business management;

13    correct?

14    A.     I don't know.

15    Q.     Not that you're aware of; correct?

16    A.     Not that I'm aware of, yeah.

17    Q.     And when you handed her this check for $155,000, she

18    didn't say, why does it say it's for consulting fees or daily

19    business management, I'm not doing that, did she?

20    A.     I don't recall.

21    Q.     Now, she also didn't ask you how you got $155,000 in the

22    middle of a global pandemic, did she?

23    A.     I don't recall.

24    Q.     And at this point in time in June of 2020, the economy

25    was basically ground to a halt; right?


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 1    A.      I don't think -- Georgia didn't shut down, though, did

 2    we?

 3    Q.      Businesses were closed; right?

 4    A.      I can't recall.

 5    Q.      I mean, that was the whole point of the Paycheck

 6    Protection Program, right, was that businesses were losing

 7    money and couldn't pay their employees?

 8    A.      Yes.

 9    Q.      And all of a sudden you showed up to Ms. Jackson with a

10    $155,000 check; right?

11    A.      Yes.

12    Q.      And she didn't say, where did you get all this money

13    from?

14    A.      I don't recall, no.

15                   MS. CHAIKEN:   Could you please publish J13.

16    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

17    Q.      So these are the text messages that you sent to

18    Ms. Jackson on June 18th of 2020; correct?

19    A.      Yes.

20    Q.      And on June 18th of 2020 you texted her three cashier's

21    checks she should write and cash she should take out; right?

22    A.      Correct.

23    Q.      And Ms. Jackson went and she got those cashier's check on

24    the very same day; correct?

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 1    Q.   And you had told her the first check should be to USAA;

 2    correct?

 3    A.   I don't remember the order, but yes.

 4    Q.   Well, the first one that you texted was USAA; correct?

 5    A.   Yes.

 6    Q.   And so she knew that that was money that was going to go

 7    to USAA; correct?

 8    A.   Yes.

 9    Q.   Not to Montgomery, Alabama, or anything having to do with

10    the real estate project?

11    A.   No.

12    Q.   No, she knew it wasn't; right?         She knew it was to USAA?

13    A.   Yes.

14    Q.   And the second one you told her to write was to Capital

15    One; correct?

16    A.   Yes.

17    Q.   Okay.    And so she knew that that was a check that was

18    going to go to Capital One, not to any real estate project in

19    Alabama; correct?

20    A.   Correct.

21    Q.   Okay.    And she knew that the third one was going to 365

22    Enterprises, LLC, which is you; right?

23    A.   Yes.

24    Q.   And then you also told her to take out $9,700 in cash;

25    correct?


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 1    A.   Yes.

 2    Q.   Was that for the driveway renovation that Ms. Jackson did

 3    in July of 2020?

 4    A.   I don't recall.

 5    Q.   She did get her driveway renovated in July of 2020;

 6    correct?

 7    A.   Yes.    Yes.

 8    Q.   Now, there's no response from Ms. Jackson to these text

 9    messages; correct, on June 18th?        The next message is a

10    message from you on June 19th; correct?

11    A.   Right.    Yeah.   That's what I'm trying -- I'm trying to

12    understand the question, I mean, of her responding back.

13    Q.   Okay.    So Ms. Jackson did not respond to your text

14    message and say, wait, hold on, I thought this was for payroll

15    for a project in Alabama, why are you asking me to write

16    checks to USAA and Capital One; right?

17    A.   I just asked her to write the checks and pull the money

18    out and that was it.        She didn't respond.     But I ended up

19    getting the checks to the places they need to be.

20    Q.   And she didn't ask you any questions about why, if this

21    money was supposedly for payroll, you -- she needed to write

22    checks to banks; right?

23    A.   No.

24    Q.   She didn't say, why can't you use your own money in your

25    own bank accounts to pay off these auto loans or whatever


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 1    you're paying off at these banks; correct?

 2    A.      You said she -- did she ask me that?

 3    Q.      She did not; correct?

 4    A.      No.    No, she didn't ask.

 5    Q.      And then on June 19th you asked her for the account

 6    number and wiring information for Management Resource

 7    Services; correct?

 8    A.      Yes.

 9    Q.      And that's because you were getting ready to do another

10    wire?

11    A.      Yeah.

12    Q.      You were getting ready to do a wire?

13    A.      Yes.

14    Q.      Okay.   And she just asked you for which account; correct?

15    A.      I don't recall.

16    Q.      Well, if you just look down at the bottom of the

17    messages, she said, Ah, good morning --

18    A.      Okay.

19    Q.      -- for which account; right?

20    A.      Yes, I guess that's what that means, yeah.

21    Q.      She didn't say, what are you wiring me, you know, why are

22    you sending me more money; right?

23    A.      No.

24    Q.      And she didn't say, oh, well, you sent me one check and

25    it was for payroll, but then you had me pay off your auto


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 1    loans, so I don't want you to send me more money; right?

 2    A.   No.

 3    Q.   By the time you sent her that wire, at that point she

 4    already knew that what the money was being used for was to pay

 5    off your auto loans; right?

 6    A.   I don't know what she knew.        I just know that she did the

 7    checks that I needed to get done and sent me the information

 8    to get the wires sent over.

 9    Q.   You didn't hide from her what these checks were for;

10    correct?    You told her that they were for USAA and Capital

11    one; correct?

12    A.   Yes.

13                MS. CHAIKEN:     If you could go to 1125, please,

14    Government Exhibit 1125.

15    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

16    Q.   This is the wire transfer confirmation from Gaines

17    Reservation & Travel to Management Resource Services; correct?

18    A.   Yes.

19    Q.   And Mr. Andre Gaines's name is on this wire transfer;

20    correct?

21    A.   Yes.

22    Q.   But you went with him to the bank to do this wire

23    transfer; correct?

24    A.   No.    I think he had to make an appointment.            He had to

25    make an appointment.        And he was all the way out in like


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 1    Dallas, Georgia, somewhere and he said he could handle it.

 2    Q.     And you went with him; correct?

 3    A.     No, I didn't go with him when he made the actual

 4    transfer.

 5    Q.     You gave him the routing information and the account

 6    information for Management Resource Services?

 7    A.     I think I did.

 8    Q.     You told him what the amount should be of the payment?

 9    A.     I believe so.

10    Q.     And you told him what to write as the purpose of the

11    transfer?

12    A.     I don't recall that, but I know I told him to wire the

13    money and gave him the information.

14    Q.     And just so the timing is clear, at this point in time

15    when the wire transfer was sent, Ms. Jackson had already

16    purchased those cashier's checks to pay off your loans;

17    correct?

18    A.     Yeah.   She wrote the checks to USAA and Capital One and

19    365.

20    Q.     And when she got this wire transfer, your testimony is

21    she didn't ask you, wow, where did you get another $179,000 in

22    the middle of a global pandemic?

23    A.     No.   She knew it was coming from Gaines Reservation &

24    Travel.

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 1    business; correct?

 2    A.   Yes.

 3    Q.   Nothing?

 4    A.   Yes.

 5    Q.   No money ever; right?

 6    A.   Yes.

 7    Q.   Okay.      Yes, no money ever?

 8    A.   I mean, it had just enough to keep the account open, I

 9    guess.

10    Q.   Right.      100 bucks in the account?

11    A.   No, I think the business account you had to have at least

12    1,500 bucks in there.

13    Q.   Okay.      So if we looked at the business account, would we

14    see what the activity was in there?

15    A.   I believe so.

16    Q.   The Chase account for Gaines Reservation & Travel?

17    A.   Yes.

18    Q.   And so Gaines Reservation had never before ever had more

19    than $1,500; correct?

20    A.   Yes.     Since the account had actually opened, yes.

21    Q.   And so she just thought all of a sudden Gaines

22    Reservation & Travel, in the middle of a pandemic, came into

23    $335,000 that it was sending to her, that's your testimony?

24    A.   Money was coming from Gaines Travel & Reservation (sic),

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 1    Q.      And she never asked you how you obtained all that money?

 2    A.      No.

 3    Q.      Now, Agent Stites interviewed both you -- I'm sorry --

 4    both Ms. Jackson and Andre Gaines in early July of 2020;

 5    correct?

 6    A.      Yeah, I'm assuming so.     Yes.

 7    Q.      Well, you know he did because they called you and told

 8    you afterwards; correct?

 9    A.      I think initially when they showed up, I was there.

10    Q.      You were at Ms. Jackson's house; correct?

11    A.      Yes.   Yes.

12    Q.      And when Agent Stites called Andre Gaines, you had

13    several calls with him that day; correct?

14    A.      Yes.

15    Q.      So you knew that Agent Stites interviewed Andre Gaines as

16    well?

17    A.      I beg your pardon?

18    Q.      You knew that Agent Stites interviewed Andre Gaines;

19    correct?

20    A.      Yes.   Yes.

21    Q.      You knew that Agent Stites gave both of them subpoenas;

22    correct?

23    A.      I don't know when he gave them -- I'm assuming he did

24    because they eventually came.

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 1    Thomas that they had subpoenas; correct?

 2    A.     I don't know about subpoenas, but I knew the FBI came.

 3    Q.     And you knew that the FBI asked them for records;

 4    correct?

 5    A.     I beg your pardon?

 6    Q.     You knew that the FBI asked Andre Gaines and Carla

 7    Jackson for records; correct?

 8    A.     I don't know what they asked them.

 9    Q.     Do you remember discussing with Darrell Thomas when Andre

10    Gaines was getting ready to send in his subpoena response?

11    A.     I don't recall any of that.

12    Q.     Now, you asked Ms. Jackson to draft Mr. Gaines's response

13    for him, didn't you, Andre Gaines's response?

14    A.     I don't recall that.

15    Q.     Now, on July 27th of 2020, Agent Stites came by

16    Ms. Jackson's house looking for you; correct?

17    A.     I don't remember -- I don't recall the exact date, but he

18    did come by looking for me.

19    Q.     You remember a date that he was there looking for you?

20    A.     I don't recall that day he came out looking for me.            He

21    called me and he said, You want to try to help Carla and Andre

22    out.

23           And I said, Help them out for what?        They hadn't done

24    anything.

25           And then I asked him -- he was telling me, he said -- no.


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 1    I asked him -- I didn't know if he was a -- who he said he

 2    was.   And I asked him, I said, I don't know if you're a

 3    real -- who you say you are.         I need some identification or

 4    something.      And then I think he showed up a day or so later.

 5    Q.     So there was a day that Agent Stites came by

 6    Ms. Jackson's house looking for you; correct?

 7    A.     Yes.

 8    Q.     And you were there when he came by; correct?

 9    A.     No.    The first time he came by, he came and he spoke with

10    her.

11    Q.     I'm talking about the time that he came by looking for

12    you.

13    A.     I wasn't there then.

14    Q.     Okay.    After he came by, you texted Darrell Thomas;

15    right?

16    A.     I don't recall.       I'm not saying I didn't text him, I

17    don't remember the date and, you know, all the other

18    information behind it.        He came -- that's -- he came by.            He

19    called me.      And I know I spoke with Darrell because I knew

20    something wasn't right.

21           Thank you.

22                  MS. CHAIKEN:    I apologize, Your Honor.          One moment.

23    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

24    Q.     You texted Darrell Thomas and you said, The FBI cracker

25    came by my wife's house again today; right?


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 1    A.      Yes.

 2    Q.      And then after that that's when Agent Stites called you;

 3    right?

 4    A.      I don't know if it was right after that.          I don't know

 5    when.

 6    Q.      Say that again.

 7    A.      I don't know if it was right after that or not.

 8    Q.      When he called you, you talked to him for a few minutes?

 9    A.      Yes.

10    Q.      And during that conversation, you didn't tell him

11    anything you've told this jury today; correct?

12    A.      I didn't tell him anything that I told the jury today?

13    Q.      Uh-huh.      You didn't tell him anything about a real estate

14    project in Alabama?

15    A.      No.    No.

16    Q.      Okay.   When he told you he wanted to talk to you about

17    the Gaines Reservation & Travel loan, you said you couldn't

18    talk to him because you couldn't verify who he was; correct?

19    A.      Yes.

20    Q.      And he offered to meet you somewhere and show you his

21    credentials; right?

22    A.      Yeah.   You got to understand at that time, too, we had a

23    lot of stuff going on out here in the world with, you know --

24    just a lot of things going on out here in the world.               And I

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 1    to talk with him because anything can happen and then, you

 2    know, who's to say what.

 3    Q.    He gave you a lot of options for verifying his

 4    credentials; right?

 5    A.    No, he didn't.

 6    Q.    He told you that you could call the FBI number and give

 7    his name and that they would verify that he was an agent?

 8    A.    I don't recall the conversation in its entirety.

 9    Q.    He texted you from his personal cellphone number and told

10    you his name so that you could verify with FBI that he was a

11    real agent?

12    A.    He did call me and text me from his cellphone, but I

13    forgot what they called that when they -- yeah, he did call

14    me.

15    Q.    Okay.   And when he texted you his information, you

16    responded and you said, Wow, a real FBI guy, okay; right?

17    A.    Yes.

18    Q.    After the phone call, you sent a message to Darrell

19    Thomas where you said, He called my phone and talked to me.               I

20    was short and sarcastic.      Right?

21    A.    Yes.

22    Q.    And you and Agent Stites exchanged several messages;

23    correct?

24    A.    Verbal messages or text messages?

25    Q.    Text messages.


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 1    A.    Yes.

 2    Q.    And in one of those text messages Agent Stites wrote to

 3    you, Mr. Gaines, you are connected to a significant money

 4    trail from this and other loans involved in our investigation

 5    to include your connection to Darrell Thomas.             Your

 6    cooperation in this investigation can benefit you, Andre and

 7    Carla.     It's up to you.     This investigation is moving quickly,

 8    so it's important that we talk soon; right?

 9    A.    Yes.

10    Q.    And you copied that message and you sent it to Darrell

11    Thomas; right?

12    A.    Yes.

13    Q.    And then you said, This cracker is desperate, didn't you?

14    A.    I don't recall saying that.

15    Q.    If you could turn to the stapled document I gave you.               At

16    the bottom of the first page, that was the text message that

17    Agent Stites sent to you that you then copied to Darrell

18    Thomas; correct?       Correct?    That's the message I just read?

19    A.    Yes.

20    Q.    And then later that day you said, This cracker is

21    desperate; correct?

22    A.    That's what the text says, yes.

23    Q.    And you didn't tell Agent Stites at that point the story

24    that you told the jury today about the real estate project in

25    Alabama, did you?


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 1    A.    Was I supposed to tell him all of that over the phone

 2    without an attorney representing me?

 3    Q.    You didn't tell him anything that you've told the jury

 4    today when he texted you and told you that you were connected

 5    to a significant money trail and your cooperation could help

 6    Andre and Carla and you; correct?

 7    A.    No, I didn't.

 8    Q.    Instead, you said, This cracker is desperate?

 9    A.    That was the text I had sent to Darrell, yes.

10    Q.    Now, Mr. Gaines, you testified that Ms. Jackson had no

11    idea that you got a PPP loan for Gaines Reservation & Travel;

12    correct?

13    A.    Yes.

14    Q.    But Ms. Jackson did know that you were working on PPP

15    loans during that time period, didn't she?

16    A.    Yes.

17    Q.    In fact, you actually had Ms. Jackson fill out a PPP

18    application for Management Resource Services; right?

19    A.    Yes.

20    Q.    Okay.

21                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Your Honor, I'm going to move to admit

22    Government Exhibit 1228 and the sub exhibits to it pursuant to

23    Rule 902.11.

24                 MR. MARSHALL:   What's the number?

25                 MS. CHAIKEN:    1228.


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 1                 MR. MARSHALL:   Okay.     No objection, Judge.

 2                 MS. WEBSTER:    No objection.

 3                 THE COURT:   It's admitted.

 4                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Thank you.

 5                 Ms. Holland, could you please publish 1228.

 6    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

 7    Q.    This is an e-mail that you sent to Darrell Thomas on

 8    April 3rd of 2020; correct?

 9    A.    Yes.

10    Q.    And you said, Darrell, this my wife.          Real shit.     Have

11    this shit in order?

12    A.    Yes.

13                 MS. CHAIKEN:    If you could please publish 1228A.

14    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

15    Q.    What you attached was this PPP application for Management

16    Resource Services; correct?

17    A.    Yes.

18    Q.    And this is Ms. Jackson's handwriting on this document;

19    correct?

20    A.    Yes.

21    Q.    She filled this out?

22    A.    Yes.

23                 MS. CHAIKEN:    If you could go to page 2, please.         I'm

24    sorry, it's the page 1220 -- I'm sorry.          Government

25    Exhibit 1228B is page 2.       Okay.


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 1    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

 2    Q.    This was the second page that you e-mailed to Darrell

 3    Thomas?

 4    A.    Yes.

 5    Q.    And that's Ms. Jackson's signature down at the bottom;

 6    correct?

 7    A.    Yes.

 8    Q.    And this was dated April 2nd, 2020?

 9    A.    Yes.

10    Q.    And that's when you had her do that?

11    A.    Yes.

12    Q.    So Ms. Jackson knew as of April of 2020 that you were

13    working on PPP loans; correct?

14    A.    Yes.

15                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Can I have one moment, Your Honor?

16                 THE COURT:   Yes.

17                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Nothing further.

18                 Thank you, Mr. Gaines.

19                 MS. WEBSTER:    I have no questions for this witness.

20                 THE COURT:   Mr. Marshall, any redirect?

21                 MR. MARSHALL:   Yes, Judge.

22                 THE COURT:   Go ahead.

23                 MR. MARSHALL:   Can you please pull up Government's

24    Exhibit 1228 again, please.       Or 1221.    1228, I apologize, the

25    e-mail.


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 1                   Ms. Holland, yes, please, do you mind?          Thank you.

 2    1228.

 3                                REDIRECT EXAMINATION

 4    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 5    Q.      So these questions about this PPP loan application,

 6    again, this is -- the government's brought this in about a PPP

 7    loan application form, it looks like it was filled out for --

 8    by Management Resource Services; correct?

 9    A.      Yes.

10    Q.      This e-mail from -- do you go by Marty?         Is that you?

11    A.      Yes.

12    Q.      So this is April 3rd.      These communications -- these

13    communications with you and Darrell, this is just you and

14    Darrell.       You never include your wife on any of these

15    communications with Darrell Thomas; right?

16    A.      No.

17    Q.      None of this.    So this is stuff that you hide from her;

18    right?

19    A.      Yes.

20    Q.      So when you finally -- you write this e-mail and it said,

21    Darrell, this is my wife.        Real shit.     Have this shit in

22    order.     Is this something -- a PPP loan application that's

23    going to be created fraudulently for Management Resource

24    Services or is this a real legit PPP loan application you're

25    planning?


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 1    A.    Legit.

 2    Q.    Is that why you tell Darrell, look, this is real shit,

 3    have this in order; right?

 4    A.    Yes.

 5    Q.    So this was -- was this something where Darrell Thomas or

 6    you were going to create employees, fake employees, a number

 7    of employees for Management Resource Services?

 8    A.    No.

 9    Q.    So if you ever had a conversation with Ms. Jackson about

10    a PPP loan, were you only -- did you only talk about it in

11    legitimate lawful manners?

12    A.    Yes.

13    Q.    Did Ms. Jackson ever fill out a form that had some fake

14    number of employees on anything?

15    A.    No.

16    Q.    Did she ever have any kind of document where there were

17    some misrepresentations on any document related to a PPP loan

18    application?

19    A.    No.

20    Q.    Did Ms. Jackson to your knowledge ever submit any PPP

21    loan application at all?

22    A.    No.

23    Q.    Okay.    Do you recall any discussions that you had with

24    her about this application form?

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 1    Q.      No?

 2    A.      I don't recall.

 3    Q.      All right.    Let me ask you, how many years were you

 4    married to Ms. Jackson?

 5    A.      18.

 6    Q.      18.

 7            How many years before had you known her?

 8    A.      15, 16, 17, somewhere in there.

 9    Q.      And Ms. Chaiken had asked you questions about your

10    ex-wife's a professional businesswoman; right?

11    A.      Yes.

12    Q.      On the up-and-up, she had really good jobs, project

13    manager?

14    A.      Yes.

15    Q.      Senior positions?

16    A.      Yes.

17    Q.      If Carla Jackson had known you were involved in this type

18    of real shit or whatever that document says, what would she

19    have done?

20                   MS. CHAIKEN:    Objection, calls for speculation.

21                   MR. MARSHALL:   Well, Judge, he's known her his whole

22    life.    He probably would know from experience probably how his

23    wife would react if she knew that he was involved in

24    fraudulent applications.

25                   THE COURT:   Sustained.


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 1    BY MR. MARSHALL:

 2    Q.    Mr. Gaines, you were shown several documents by the

 3    government about fake documents being created.           Do you

 4    remember that?

 5    A.    Yes.

 6    Q.    I don't know if you have copies up there on all those

 7    things, but let me show you the one that was referenced for

 8    Cabela's CLUB.

 9    A.    Yes.

10    Q.    Do you have that document up there?

11    A.    Yeah, it's up there.

12    Q.    Take a look at it.

13          It's a three-page document that you were shown?

14    A.    Yes.

15    Q.    Do you have that in your hand now?

16    A.    Yes.

17    Q.    What's the date of that e-mail?        What year?      Front page.

18    A.    September 3rd, 2017.

19    Q.    And this is from who?      It's from you?

20    A.    Yes.

21    Q.    To who?

22    A.    Marie L.

23    Q.    Is Carla Jackson copied on this e-mail?

24    A.    No.

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 1    this fake document?

 2    A.    No.

 3    Q.    Let's go to the one that says changing the address on a

 4    driver's license and expiration date.         See if you can find

 5    that document up there.

 6          Well, let's make this quicker.         All of the documents that

 7    you were shown by Ms. Chaiken related to these fake documents

 8    and these communications with Marie, everything that you were

 9    shown, was Ms. Jackson copied on any of this stuff?

10    A.    No.

11    Q.    Did you tell her anything about these activities that you

12    were involved in?

13    A.    No.

14    Q.    Were these more secrets that you kept from Ms. Jackson?

15    A.    Yes.    The whole thing with the documents is the first

16    attorney, I only had -- I only met with him one time and he

17    didn't ask me to provide anything.

18    Q.    Let me just go ahead and keep asking you a couple

19    questions again, okay?

20                 MR. MARSHALL:   Can you please pull up 1228A.         I'm

21    going to go back a little bit to that PPP loan application.

22    Thank you.

23                 Could you go to 1228B.    Sorry.

24    BY MR. MARSHALL:

25    Q.    Do you see this form you looked at earlier?             This is


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 1    Government's Exhibit 1228B.

 2    A.    Yes.

 3    Q.    Again, do you recognize that signature down there?

 4    A.    Yes.

 5    Q.    Is that Ms. Jackson's?

 6    A.    Yes.

 7    Q.    Are those her initials along the left-hand side?

 8    A.    Yes.

 9    Q.    Was this loan application ever submitted, ever?

10    A.    No.

11    Q.    Okay.    Ms. Chaiken asked you a question about, if I'm

12    paraphrasing it right, is it unusual for -- unusual for a

13    professional businesswoman with her background to get money

14    before a project is even, I guess, in place.          I think that's

15    essentially what she asked.

16    A.    Yes.

17    Q.    Do you remember something like that?

18    A.    Yeah, something along those lines.

19    Q.    Do you recall that businesspeople do that actually

20    oftentimes with projects?

21    A.    I believe so.

22    Q.    Well, have you ever had to hire -- well, you had

23    an attorney.    Do you know that people hire attorneys and pay

24    them upfront?

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 1    Q.    Right.   And that's before they've done any work; right?

 2    A.    Yes.

 3    Q.    So there are types of business entities where people pay

 4    money upfront before the work is all completed; right?

 5    A.    Yes.

 6    Q.    And it may be pursuant to a contract or some type of

 7    agreement that's written up; right?

 8    A.    Yes.

 9    Q.    Let's go back to some of the initial questions that

10    Ms. Chaiken had for you on -- whether you're being truthful

11    today and statements you made during your -- I guess your plea

12    hearing and the factual background.

13          Do you remember those initial questions?

14    A.    No, I don't.

15    Q.    Do you remember the questions Ms. Chaiken was asking you

16    about the answers and responses you gave during your change

17    of plea hearing about a week or so ago --

18    A.    Yes.

19    Q.    -- two weeks ago?     Okay.   All right.

20          On the questions related to payroll, when I was asking

21    you questions about payroll, was I asking you questions about

22    payroll related to Management Resource Services or was it

23    whether Gaines & Travel (sic) had payroll all established?              Do

24    you recall?

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 1    Q.    Okay.   All right.    Was the plan to have Management

 2    Resource Services set up this program for this project in

 3    Alabama and have payroll administered through Management

 4    Resource Services?

 5    A.    Yes.

 6    Q.    So in that respect you weren't being untruthful about

 7    anything related to your plea hearing, were you?

 8    A.    No.    Just some of the stuff, I just didn't understand

 9    what she was asking me at the time.

10    Q.    Okay.   Okay.   All right.

11          I want to ask you, follow up with you a little bit.             The

12    prosecutor asked you some questions about Andre and about

13    whether Ms. Jackson knew him.       And you said vaguely.        Flesh

14    that out a little bit for the jury.

15          She met him.    Am I correct to say that -- in thinking

16    that they really didn't hang around or know -- and, you know,

17    stuff like that?

18    A.    No.    He stayed in Dallas, Georgia.      And if he came out my

19    way, we were in Tucker, that's a nice haul.          He would usually

20    be riding with me.     He would come by the house in Marietta,

21    we'd get together, go get something to eat, then hang out a

22    little bit.

23    Q.    Okay.   Mr. Gaines, I'm going to see if I can refresh your

24    recollection.    There were some questions asked of you about

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 1    forth.     Do you remember that?

 2    A.    Yes.

 3    Q.    I pulled up something on Zillow, and I want to see if

 4    this happens to refresh your recollection a little bit.

 5    A.    Yes.

 6    Q.    Does this property on Zillow refresh your recollection

 7    of maybe where the location of this particular building was?

 8    A.    Yes.

 9    Q.    And what is that address?

10    A.    2306 State (sic) Charles Street -- State (sic) Charles

11    Avenue.

12    Q.    Is that St. Charles, S-T?

13    A.    Yes.    Yes.    Montgomery, Alabama.

14    Q.    Does this refresh your recollection maybe in the area

15    where this particular building was?

16    A.    Yes.

17    Q.    Was this the location where you said you saw a call this

18    number placard on the window?

19    A.    Yes.

20    Q.    Let me understand.       So the prosecutor asked you some

21    questions about why Ms. Jackson would -- you know, I guess why

22    wouldn't Gaines & Travel keep this money and why have it come

23    over to Management Resource Services.           Do you know why you did

24    it that way?      What did you testify to earlier?

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 1    let my cousin know, Andre, that they were taking the money

 2    back.

 3    Q.      Okay.   So --

 4    A.      Reversing the wire.    So we decided -- I decided that we

 5    need to -- we both decided we need to move it.

 6    Q.      Any of that conversation, did you tell that to Carla

 7    Jackson?      Did she know any of that?

 8    A.      No.

 9    Q.      So what was -- what did you tell Ms. Jackson, what was

10    her understanding of why she was getting this money, these two

11    big deposits in her account, where they came from?             Did she

12    know where the -- I mean, like, if it wasn't a PPP loan, where

13    was the money coming from?

14    A.      No.   She didn't ask and I didn't tell.

15    Q.      Do you know anything more about Darrell Thomas's

16    background, like what jobs he's had in the past?

17    A.      No.

18    Q.      Had he ever worked in banking?

19    A.      Yeah.   He told me he did something with hedge funds or

20    something like that supposedly.         That's what I was told.

21    Q.      Do you know if Darrell Thomas had ever suggested that,

22    like, some kind of financing, that he had secured financing in

23    some way for this project?

24    A.      I can't recall.

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 1    about where the -- where are you getting this money?

 2    A.      I didn't say anything about where I was getting the money

 3    from.    I just asked her can we move it.         And she said yeah.

 4    And that was it.

 5    Q.      Well, I just asked you a question, did she know that

 6    Darrell Thomas and you were trying to move money.              You said

 7    no.

 8    A.      Right.

 9    Q.      Okay.    So did she know or not know?

10    A.      No.    No.   She didn't know the money was coming from a PPP

11    loan, no.

12    Q.      Did you tell her that Darrell Thomas was telling you to

13    move money and things like this?

14    A.      No.

15    Q.      I think the prosecutor asked you a question or two about

16    your interview when Agent Stites, I guess, called you.               Was it

17    a phone call with him or did he come to visit you in person,

18    do you recall?

19    A.      He talked to me on the phone.        He went by the house, but

20    I wasn't there.

21    Q.      Right.    I think there was something, you didn't tell

22    Agent Stites that you were connected to this real estate

23    project.       Was that the question that was asked of you?

24    A.      Yes.

25    Q.      Well, you had a very short conversation with Agent


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 1    Stites; right?     It wasn't very long.

 2    A.    Yes.

 3    Q.    Right?    Was that -- did he ask a question about that?

 4    A.    No.

 5    Q.    Did you have any other follow-up meetings or interviews

 6    with Agent Stites?

 7    A.    Other than text messages, no.

 8    Q.    Did he ever try to reach out to your attorney to talk to

 9    you about any information related to the -- to this real

10    estate project?

11    A.    Not that I recall.       No, not that I recall.

12    Q.    Okay.

13                 MR. MARSHALL:    Just one minute, Your Honor.

14                 Nothing further, Judge.     Thank you.

15                                RECROSS-EXAMINATION

16    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

17    Q.    Mr. Gaines, do you remember Mr. Marshall just showed you

18    a computer with an address on St. Charles Avenue?

19    A.    Yes.

20    Q.    And he had said that that was a Zillow page, but it

21    wasn't a Zillow page; right?         It was a Google page?

22    A.    Yeah.    Yeah.

23    Q.    So it wasn't like a Zillow real estate listing of that

24    property being for sale; correct?

25    A.    I have no idea.


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 1    Q.    Just a picture of a building that he pulled up on Google?

 2    A.    No.    No.   No.   The picture he just showed me, I don't

 3    know where he got it from that he just pulled up, but the

 4    picture that you showed me earlier, that's the actual property

 5    where I had gone to look at the property, real estate.

 6    Q.    The pictures that were admitted into evidence that we

 7    looked at on the screen?

 8    A.    Right.

 9    Q.    I just want to be clear about what happened at your plea

10    hearing, Mr. Gaines.        Do you still have that plea transcript

11    in front of you?

12    A.    Yes.

13    Q.    If you could turn to page 17, please.

14    A.    Yes.

15    Q.    The statements that I made were specific to the wire

16    transfer from Gaines Reservation & Travel to Management

17    Resource Services; correct?

18    A.    Am I supposed to be finding this on this page 17

19    somewhere?

20    Q.    Yes.   At the bottom of page 17 I said:         On June 22nd,

21    2020, Defendant Gaines caused a wire transfer to be sent from

22    Gaines Reservation to a company called Management Resource

23    Services in the amount of $179,985.72; correct?

24    A.    Yes.

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 1    as payroll services; right?

 2    A.    Yes.

 3    Q.    And then I said:       In reality, however, Gaines Reservation

 4    had no payroll and the purpose of the transfer was not payroll

 5    services; correct?

 6    A.    Yes.

 7    Q.    Okay.    And you agreed to that; correct?

 8    A.    During the plea hearing?

 9    Q.    Yes.

10    A.    Yes.    Yes.

11                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Your Honor, I would move to admit

12    Government Exhibits 1220, 1225 and 1227, and the sub exhibits

13    to those pursuant to Rule 902.11.

14                 MR. MARSHALL:    Judge, I'd object.     They're not

15    relevant still.      That's my objection.

16                 THE COURT:   All right.   Can you pass those up or are

17    these on the disk or the jump drive?

18                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Should be on the jump drive.

19                 THE COURT:   1220, 1225 and 1227?

20                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Yes, Your Honor.

21                 THE COURT:   But not the sub exhibits to those?

22                 MS. CHAIKEN:    With the sub exhibits, Your Honor.

23                 THE COURT:   Ms. Chaiken, what's your response to the

24    relevance objection?

25                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Your Honor, this is in response to the


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 1    line of questioning about whether the PPP application from

 2    Management Resource Services was intended to be a real

 3    application.     These applications for other businesses show

 4    that they all follow the exact same pattern where the business

 5    information was filled out, no employee and payroll

 6    information, and then were being submitted to Darrell Thomas,

 7    who is the same person who processed the fraudulent Gaines

 8    Reservation & Travel application.

 9                 THE COURT:   Mr. Marshall, anything else?

10                 MR. MARSHALL:   No, Your Honor.

11                 THE COURT:   Overruled.   They're admitted.

12                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Thank you.

13    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

14    Q.    Mr. Gaines, you sent PPP applications for various

15    businesses to Darrell Thomas; correct?

16    A.    Yes.

17    Q.    And those were for businesses that did not have any

18    employees; correct?

19    A.    Yes.

20    Q.    And you wanted Darrell Thomas to create fraudulent PPP

21    applications for those businesses, just like he was doing with

22    Gaines Reservation & Travel; correct?

23    A.    Yes.

24    Q.    And you knew that that's what Darrell Thomas was doing

25    during this time period; correct?


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 1    A.    Yes.    I figured it out, yes.

 2    Q.    You figured out that he was preparing fraudulent loan

 3    applications; correct?

 4    A.    Yes.

 5                 MS. CHAIKEN:   If you could go to 1227, please.

 6    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

 7    Q.    This was an e-mail that you sent to Darrell Thomas on

 8    May 26th of 2020; correct?

 9    A.    Yes.

10    Q.    And it was for a company called Main Street Events?

11    A.    Yes.

12    Q.    And you had the name Marvin Hollman associated with it,

13    but then you said here's my other company; correct?

14    A.    Yes.

15    Q.    And Marvin Hollman is another alias that you use; right?

16    A.    No.    No.

17    Q.    It's a name you've had Marie create documents for before;

18    correct?

19    A.    Yeah.    There is a Marvin Hollman.

20                 MS. CHAIKEN:   And if you could go to 1227A, please.

21    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

22    Q.    This was the attachment; correct?

23    A.    Yes.

24    Q.    So you sent Darrell Thomas a PPP application for Main

25    Street Events?


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 1    A.    Yes.

 2    Q.    And it left the average monthly payroll, the number of

 3    employees blank?

 4    A.    Yes.

 5                 MS. CHAIKEN:   If you could publish 1225, please.

 6    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

 7    Q.    This is a PPP application that you sent to Darrell Thomas

 8    for a business called DUI School; correct?

 9    A.    Yes.

10                 MS. CHAIKEN:   And if you could go to 1225A, please.

11    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

12    Q.    This was the attachment; correct?

13    A.    Yes.

14    Q.    You sent him a PPP application for Driving Under

15    Intelligence, DUI?

16    A.    Yes.    Yes.

17    Q.    And, again, the average monthly payroll and the number of

18    employees was blank?

19    A.    Yes.

20                 MS. CHAIKEN:   And if you could go to 1220, please.

21    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

22    Q.    This was for 365 Enterprises, the business we've talked

23    about; correct?

24    A.    Yes.

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 1                   If you could go to 1220B, please.

 2    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

 3    Q.      This was the PPP application; correct?

 4    A.      Yes.

 5    Q.      And the PPP application you sent him was blank for

 6    average monthly payroll and number of employees?

 7    A.      Yes.

 8                   MS. CHAIKEN:   If we could go back to 1228A, please.

 9    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

10    Q.      This was the PPP application for Management Resource

11    Services; correct?

12    A.      Yes.

13    Q.      And, again, the average monthly payroll and the number of

14    employees was blank?

15    A.      Yes.

16    Q.      And that was the same thing that you had been sending to

17    Darrell Thomas for other businesses; correct?

18    A.      Yes.

19    Q.      And you knew that Management Resource Services didn't

20    have any employees; correct?

21    A.      Yes.

22    Q.      And I think Mr. Marshall asked you if you cc'd Carla

23    Jackson on your e-mail to Darrell Thomas.           Do you remember

24    that?

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 1    Q.    But you didn't conceal from Carla Jackson that there was

 2    a PPP borrower application form for Management Resource

 3    Services because she herself filled this out; correct?

 4    A.    Yes.

 5                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Nothing further.    Thank you.

 6                 MR. MARSHALL:    Ms. Chaiken, can I see the transcript

 7    you were looking at, page 17, please.         Thank you.

 8                         FURTHER REDIRECT EXAMINATION

 9    BY MR. MARSHALL:

10    Q.    Mr. Gaines, if you can review page 17 and 18 on your plea

11    transcript.     Do you still have that up there in front of you?

12    A.    Yes.

13    Q.    Is it highlighted for you as well?

14    A.    No, it's not.

15    Q.    It's not?    Okay.

16          So the bottom paragraph, starting on line 22.            Read that

17    paragraph and go into the next page and go through page 7

18    on -- excuse me, line 7 on page 18.

19    A.    It says, For example, on June 22nd, 2020, Defendant

20    Gaines caused a wire transfer to be sent from Gaines

21    Reservation to a company called Management Resource in the

22    amount of $179,985.72.       The purpose of the transfer was listed

23    as payroll services.        In reality, however, Gaines Reservation

24    had no payroll and the purpose of the transfer was not payroll

25    services.     Instead the transfer was designed to conceal the


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 1    location, nature and source of the fraudulent obtained PPP

 2    loan proceeds by making them appear to be spent on payroll,

 3    while sending them to an account controlled by Mr. Gaines's

 4    ex-wife, Carla Jackson.

 5    Q.    Now, again, this is you and Darrell Thomas at the center

 6    of this; is that correct?

 7    A.    Yes.

 8    Q.    Right?

 9          So all of the -- the statement in your plea transcript in

10    here, that's a true statement that you made there, right, in

11    your plea proceeding?

12    A.    Yes.

13    Q.    Or the factual basis that's laid down there for you;

14    correct?

15    A.    Yes.

16    Q.    So none of this -- none of this addresses Carla Jackson

17    knowing anything about the nature of the funds that are coming

18    into Management Resource Services and payroll and their

19    purposes for payroll; right?

20    A.    Yes.

21    Q.    Is this separate, a whole separate thing?

22    A.    Yes.

23    Q.    Okay.    All right.

24          On that PPP loan application for Management Resource

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 1    time when Ms. Jackson asked you not to submit that

 2    application?

 3    A.      I don't recall.

 4    Q.      Okay.   All right.

 5                MR. MARSHALL:    That's all I have.      Thank you, Judge.

 6                Thank you, Mr. Gaines.

 7                THE COURT:    Anything else, Ms. Chaiken?         Or anything,

 8    Ms. Webster?

 9                MS. CHAIKEN:     No, Your Honor.

10                MS. WEBSTER:     No, Your Honor.

11                THE COURT:    All right.

12                Sir, you can step down.      Thank you.

13                (Witness excused.)

14                THE COURT:    Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I need

15    to discuss a couple things with counsel and so I think this is

16    a good time for you to take a comfort break.           I'm going to

17    discuss some things with counsel and then give counsel and

18    staff a break as well, so this could be a -- instead of a

19    ten-minute-er it might be more like a 20-minute-er or so,

20    okay?    Thank you.

21                (The jury exited the courtroom at 4:01 p.m.)

22                THE COURT:    Y'all can be seated.

23                MS. WILEY:    Excuse me, Your Honor.      May I be excused?

24                THE COURT:    You may, Ms. Wiley.     Thank you.      And we

25    all hope that you feel better.


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 1                MS. WILEY:   Thank you.

 2                THE COURT:   All right.     Take care.

 3                Mr. Marshall, do you have any more witnesses?

 4                MR. MARSHALL:   No more witnesses, Judge.

 5                THE COURT:   Do I take it from that that Ms. Jackson

 6    has decided not to testify after consultation with you about

 7    that decision?

 8                MR. MARSHALL:   That's correct.

 9                THE COURT:   Ms. Jackson, I want to ask you some of

10    the same questions I asked Mr. Foster earlier.           I know that

11    you've already communicated with your counsel about that

12    issue, but I just want to make it clear for the record.

13                First off, you understand that you have a Fifth

14    Amendment right against self-incrimination; correct?

15                DEFENDANT JACKSON:    Yes.

16                THE COURT:   And you understand that here when you're

17    on trial, you either get to testify if you want to or you get

18    to not testify if you want to?        Do you understand that?

19                DEFENDANT FOSTER:    Yes.

20                THE COURT:   And do you understand that that's your

21    decision?

22                DEFENDANT FOSTER:    Yes.

23                THE COURT:   And do you understand that if you choose

24    not to testify, I will give an instruction that the jury may

25    not consider the fact that you haven't testified in their


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 1    deliberations?     Do you understand that?

 2               DEFENDANT FOSTER:      Yes.

 3               THE COURT:   And you've discussed this decision with

 4    your attorney.     Do I understand that correctly?

 5               DEFENDANT FOSTER:      Yes.   Yes.

 6               THE COURT:   And is it your decision, having discussed

 7    that with him and having understood your rights, that you've

 8    decided not to testify?

 9               DEFENDANT FOSTER:      Yes.

10               THE COURT:   All right.       Thank you very much.

11               All right.   What we'll do is we'll go back on the

12    record and I'll let you rest, Mr. Marshall.

13               But let me ask the government if they anticipate

14    whether or not there will be any rebuttal case?

15               MS. CHAIKEN:     A very brief one, Your Honor.         Like

16    five minutes, less than five minutes.

17               THE COURT:   Will that be on the subject of the

18    government's motion to admit evidence of the co-defendants'

19    guilty pleas or will it be on something else?

20               MS. CHAIKEN:     No.   Your Honor, after considering the

21    totality of Mr. Foster's case, we're not proceeding on the

22    grounds we articulated in our motion.

23               However, one of the areas that we do intend to get

24    into on rebuttal is just to establish that Gena Pyfrom-Foster

25    is one of the individuals who was charged, not pleaded guilty


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 1    but charged, because we do believe that a misimpression may

 2    have been created with the jury that she has escaped any

 3    culpability for her conduct by virtue of questions as to the

 4    number of people charged, then going through some, but not

 5    all, of who those people were, and then presenting a

 6    significant amount of evidence in the defense case about Gena

 7    Pyfrom-Foster and her involvement.          So we just want to clear

 8    that up on rebuttal.

 9               THE COURT:   All right.     Very well.

10               MR. MARSHALL:    Judge?

11               THE COURT:   Yes.

12               MR. MARSHALL:    Just -- as far as timing, I guess when

13    we formally rest our case, I'm going to renew our Rule 29

14    motion again.

15               THE COURT:   I understand.       I'll ask, I guess,

16    after -- you can renew it then or you can renew it after the

17    government gives its rebuttal case.

18               MR. MARSHALL:    That's fine, Judge.

19               THE COURT:   All right.     Let's all go ahead and take

20    our own comfort break, then we'll come back and I'll let

21    Mr. Marshall formally rest.       And then we'll hear the

22    government's rebuttal case, all right?

23               MS. CHAIKEN:     Thank you.

24               (After a recess AT 4:06 p.m., the proceedings

25    continued at 4:21 p.m. as follows:)


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 1                THE COURT:    Are we ready to bring out the jury?           I'm

 2    going to assume yes.

 3                Let's bring out the jury, please.

 4                (The jury entered the courtroom at 4:23 p.m.)

 5                THE COURT:    Y'all can be seated.

 6                Mr. Marshall?

 7                MR. MARSHALL:     Your Honor, the defense rests.

 8                THE COURT:    All right.     Thank you, Mr. Marshall.

 9                Ms. Chaiken, anything in rebuttal?

10                MS. CHAIKEN:     Very briefly, Your Honor.

11                The United States calls Special Agent Stites to the

12    stand.

13                THE COURT:    Very well.

14                He's been previously sworn, so I think we're okay.

15                         _____________________________

16                                   JOSEPH STITES

17                    a witness herein, was further examined

18                          and testified as follows:

19                        ______________________________

20                          FURTHER REDIRECT EXAMINATION

21    BY MS. CHAIKEN:

22    Q.    Agent Stites, I promise this will be shorter testimony

23    for you today.

24          Do you recall being asked questions about how many people

25    were charged in connection with your investigation?


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 1    A.    Yes.

 2    Q.    Do you recall Ms. Webster identifying who some of those

 3    people were?

 4    A.    Yes.

 5    Q.    Were the people that she listed all of the people that

 6    have been charged in connection with this case?

 7    A.    No.

 8    Q.    Tell me whether Gena Pyfrom-Foster has been charged with

 9    PPP fraud in connection with this investigation.

10    A.    Yes, she has.

11                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Nothing further, Your Honor.

12                 THE COURT:   Any cross?

13                 MS. WEBSTER:    Yes.

14                         FURTHER RECROSS-EXAMINATION

15    BY MS. WEBSTER:

16    Q.    Agent Stites, do you know when she was charged?

17    A.    I don't recall the date, but I can look at the criminal

18    information to see what the date was, if you have that.

19    Q.    Was it in 2023?

20    A.    I believe so.

21                 MS. WEBSTER:    Thank you.

22                 MR. MARSHALL:   No questions, Your Honor.

23                 MS. CHAIKEN:    Nothing further, Your Honor.

24                 THE COURT:   Sir, you can step down.

25                 (Witness excused.)


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 1                MS. CHAIKEN:     That concludes our rebuttal case, Your

 2    Honor.

 3                THE COURT:    All right.     Ms. Webster, Mr. Marshall,

 4    any rebuttal to the rebuttal?

 5                MS. WEBSTER:     No rebuttal, Your Honor, but we have

 6    motions.

 7                MR. MARSHALL:     No rebuttal, Judge.      We have motions

 8    too.

 9                THE COURT:    All right.     Ladies and gentlemen of the

10    jury, the evidence in this case is now closed.             You'll receive

11    instructions from me in the morning.           And you will also hear

12    closings from the attorneys in the morning as well.

13                I'm going to go ahead and release you for the night.

14    You're reminded of your instructions for breaks, most

15    importantly, not to talk to anyone about this case, including

16    yourselves, until deliberations begin.           And although the

17    evidence is closed, deliberations don't yet start.              I'll be

18    very clear to you when I tell you to go start your

19    deliberations.      So at this point do not speak to anyone,

20    including yourselves, about this case.           And, of course, don't

21    do any research about this case in any way.

22                I hope you have a wonderful early evening.           And we

23    will see you tomorrow at 9:00.         Thank you.

24                (The jury exited the courtroom at 4:26 p.m.)

25                THE COURT:    Y'all can be seated.


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 1               Ms. Webster, Mr. Marshall, you've noted you had some

 2    renewed motions.     Do you want to state those for the record?

 3               MS. WEBSTER:     Yes, Your Honor.

 4               We renew our motion under Rule 29 for judgment of

 5    acquittal on all counts against Mr. Foster on the same basis

 6    as we articulated yesterday.

 7               I'm sorry, one second.

 8               (Pause in proceedings.)

 9               MS. WEBSTER:     We don't believe the government has

10    shown that he has any -- has proven -- has met its burden to

11    establish that he was acting with the requisite mens rea, that

12    there was no intent, specifically as to the money laundering

13    count, that -- and there was no evidence that he actually

14    accessed the funds.

15               I think we proved during our defense case that the

16    funds that were the subject of Count 59 were withdrawn

17    during -- were withdrawn by someone with access to the account

18    and that Ms. Pyfrom-Foster was the only person with access to

19    that account.

20               And then as to the remaining counts, again, the

21    government has not called anyone who will identify Mr. Foster

22    as the actual participant in the case.         I think that's the

23    basis for the renewed Rule 29 motion, Your Honor.

24               THE COURT:   Thank you.

25               Mr. Marshall?


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 1                MR. MARSHALL:     Judge, we'd renew our Rule 29 motion

 2    on the same bases yesterday generally for both counts.               Even

 3    with the testimony of Mr. John Gaines, I don't think it

 4    changes any of the arguments I said yesterday; no direct

 5    evidence that my client had knowledge of the source, the

 6    illegal source of the funds, or that the purpose was to

 7    conceal the funds as part of the financial transaction.

 8                The government's case is built primarily on

 9    circumstantial evidence and we just don't think it's met the

10    standard for proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

11                I did want to address one more just minor argument

12    related to that -- not to the constructive amendment argument,

13    this is more just sufficiency of the evidence on the elements,

14    Judge.

15                On Count 46 -- and this may be a little bit premature

16    for my Rule 29 on this issue, but on Rule 29, the elements of

17    the offense that we have in the proposed jury instruction --

18    and I know we're not there yet, but the third element of that,

19    and this is request number 26, says -- and this has to be

20    proven beyond a reasonable doubt -- money or property did come

21    from a specified unlawful activity, specifically wire fraud.

22                So the jury is going to be instructed and they will

23    get a definition of what wire fraud is.           And if this comes in

24    as is, as this instruction, that transaction was not wire

25    fraud.     It was different.     So I think this element that the


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 1    jury is going to be instructed on, I mean, I would argue in

 2    closing that they would have to find him not guilty because --

 3    on Count 46 because it was not wire fraud.

 4               So I'd just make that now preliminarily as a Rule 29

 5    motion for acquittal and additional bases just on that

 6    argument, too, Judge.

 7               THE COURT:   All right.     Thank you.

 8               Ms. Chaiken, what's your response to both motions?

 9               MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, on the last point raised by

10    Mr. Marshall, that's a misstatement of the law and I think a

11    misunderstanding of what the elements are.          The third element,

12    which refers to the money being derived from a specified

13    unlawful activity, specifically wire fraud, is a reference

14    to where the money came from that was the source of the

15    transaction, which in this case is the PPP loan fraud, which

16    has been proven to be a wire fraud.

17               The third element has nothing to do with whether the

18    financial transaction involves a wire transfer or a check or

19    anything else.     It's a reference to the fact that the source

20    of the money has to be wire fraud, just as it could be a bank

21    fraud or it could be some other specified unlawful activity.

22               And so not only do we think it's not grounds for a

23    Rule 29, but we also think it would be inappropriate argument

24    to the jury because it misstates what the law is and what the

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 1               As far as the remaining arguments, Your Honor, we

 2    would rest on what we argued yesterday.          We believe our case

 3    has gotten stronger after the defense cases than it was

 4    yesterday.

 5               THE COURT:    All right.     Thank you.

 6               I'm going to deny the motions at this juncture as

 7    well.    I believe that the evidence viewed in the light most

 8    favorable to the government was sufficient -- or is sufficient

 9    for a rational trier of fact to find guilt beyond a reasonable

10    doubt as to both defendants on the charges.

11               All right.    Let's go ahead and have a discussion of

12    the jury instructions.

13               I have in front of me Document 840, the parties'

14    consolidated jury instructions.

15               Before we begin, are there any of these that we

16    think, now that we know what's come in and hasn't come in,

17    don't apply at this point?        I think there may be some.

18               MS. CHAIKEN:     Can we have a moment to look through

19    them, Your Honor?

20               THE COURT:    Sure.

21               MS. WEBSTER:     Your Honor, we will withdraw our

22    request for number 11, the identification instruction.              So

23    that can be resolved.       And I do think a couple of other ones

24    no longer apply.

25               THE COURT:    And on number 11, that was just requested


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 1    by Mr. Foster, not by Ms. Jackson.

 2               Is that correct, Mr. Marshall?

 3               MR. MARSHALL:    That's correct.

 4               THE COURT:   Okay.      So we will -- we're off the record

 5    for one moment.

 6               (Off-the-record discussion.)

 7               THE COURT:   So we'll strike number 11.           It's

 8    withdrawn.

 9               MS. CHAIKEN:     So, Your Honor, I think 6A will no

10    longer be in because neither defendant testified.

11               THE COURT:   Does everyone agree, 6 is out?

12               MS. CHAIKEN:     6A.

13               THE COURT:   6A?

14               MR. MARSHALL:    Yes.

15               MS. WEBSTER:     6A is out, yes.

16               THE COURT:   Okay.

17               MS. CHAIKEN:     I think with 12, 12C and D are out

18    because no defendant testified.

19               THE COURT:   Does everyone agree?

20               MS. WEBSTER:     Yes.

21               THE COURT:   Hold on one second.

22               MR. MARSHALL:    12B, Judge?

23               THE COURT:   12C and D.

24               MR. MARSHALL:    Yeah, C.    C and D are out, yes.

25               THE COURT:   Okay.      We all agree on that.      One moment.


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 1    I'm sorry.

 2                Go ahead, Ms. Chaiken.

 3                MS. CHAIKEN:    So I think 12B is out because nobody

 4    was impeached by a felony conviction.         So that would leave us

 5    with 12A.

 6                THE COURT:   Everyone agree, 12B is out?

 7                MR. MARSHALL:   Yes.

 8                MS. WEBSTER:    That's fine, Your Honor.

 9                THE COURT:   Okay.   Go ahead, Ms. Chaiken.

10                MS. CHAIKEN:    Your Honor, we think number 13 is --

11    should be out because I don't think there was any witness who

12    was impeached by reputation or opinion about truthfulness.

13                MS. WEBSTER:    We agree.

14                MR. MARSHALL:   Agree.

15                THE COURT:   All right.     13 is out.

16                MS. CHAIKEN:    Your Honor, I think 14 should be out as

17    well because I don't believe character evidence was presented

18    as to any defendant.

19                MS. WEBSTER:    We agree.

20                MR. MARSHALL:   Agree.

21                THE COURT:   All right.     14 is out as well.

22                MS. CHAIKEN:    So 15 is -- I think we need to look at

23    15 because 15 is when a co-defendant with a plea agreement

24    testifies.    And here Mr. Gaines testified, but the instruction

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 1    co-defendant in exchange for his or her testimony.

 2               So I haven't fully read through it, but I think we

 3    should put a pin in that as something that may need to be

 4    removed.

 5               THE COURT:   Come back to 15 and discuss that.

 6               MS. CHAIKEN:     I think 16 should be out because no

 7    404(b) evidence was admitted.

 8               THE COURT:   Everyone agree, we should delete 16?

 9               MS. WEBSTER:     Agreed.

10               MR. MARSHALL:    Yes.    Agreed.

11               THE COURT:   All right.      And so here's what I have for

12    discussion.    I think there was -- we need to discuss

13    number 10, number 15, 26, 32.         And then there was a

14    supplemental request to charge by Foster.

15               Has the government now received that, Ms. Webster.

16               MS. WEBSTER:     Yes.   I believe it was e-mailed to all

17    parties.

18               THE COURT:   Okay.      We need to discuss all those --

19    yes.

20               MS. WEBSTER:     I'm sorry.    To be clear, we filed one

21    under seal yesterday that we have not distributed, but we are

22    doing right now.     And then there was one that we just filed

23    within the past half an hour that was sent to all the parties.

24               THE COURT:   Okay.      Well, I haven't even seen that one

25    yet.   I saw the one from last night, but I now see that my


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 1    inbox includes an e-mail from 4:37.          It's 4:38.

 2                MS. WEBSTER:     Yes.    Yes.

 3                THE COURT:    We'll look at that, too.

 4                MS. WEBSTER:     Were you done listing the other ones we

 5    need to address?

 6                THE COURT:    I think that covers the ones that someone

 7    had lodged an objection on.

 8                MS. WEBSTER:     I think that we have an objection to

 9    30, maybe.

10                THE COURT:    Oh, I forgot to list 30.        Yes.   I have

11    that tabbed as well.        Sorry.

12                So two supplemental requests, 32, 30, 26, 10 and 15;

13    right?

14                MS. WEBSTER:     That's correct, Your Honor.

15                MS. CHAIKEN:     Yes, Your Honor.

16                THE COURT:    All right.     Why don't we just take those

17    in order.

18                Number 10 is confession or statement of multiple

19    defendants.      The issue here is, I believe, that the

20    instruction references, After being arrested or detained, you

21    must consider that evidence with caution and great care.

22                I understand the government's concern that this is

23    about when somebody is -- makes a statement after being

24    arrested or detained.        And, obviously, that's not what

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 1               I know, as you state, Ms. Webster, that Mr. Foster

 2    did make a statement but it wasn't after arrested or detained.

 3               Here's a potential solution.        We could just say --

 4    and I'm just editing out a little bit of this.            We could say,

 5    If the government offers evidence that a defendant made a

 6    statement or admission to someone, you must decide for

 7    yourself, and then just read the rest of the instruction.

 8               Is that agreeable to everyone?

 9               MS. CHAIKEN:     That's agreeable to us, Your Honor.

10               MS. WEBSTER:     Yes, Your Honor.

11               MR. MARSHALL:     Yes, Your Honor.

12               THE COURT:    Okay.     We'll do that.

13               Did you get that, Ms. Mueller?

14               MS. MUELLER:     Yes.   So everything after "someone"

15    comes out?

16               THE COURT:    Yeah.     So you say, Or admission to

17    someone, you must decide for yourself.          And then we have the

18    rest of it.     Okay.

19               Moving to 15, give me one moment to look back at

20    that.

21               Ms. Chaiken, do you take issue with number 15?

22               MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, I don't think it applies

23    given the circumstances of the testimony in this case because

24    it suggests that a witness with a plea agreement may have

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 1    And that -- Mr. Gaines is the only witness or only

 2    co-defendant with a plea agreement and he testified on behalf

 3    of the defense.

 4               So this was obviously put in there with the

 5    expectation that there may be co-defendants with plea

 6    agreements who testify for the government.          I don't think it

 7    applies anymore.

 8               THE COURT:   Ms. Webster or Mr. Marshall?

 9               MS. WEBSTER:     I don't have strong feelings about

10    this, so I'll defer to whatever Mr. Marshall says.

11               MR. MARSHALL:    Well, I'd like to change the wording

12    entirely around.     You know, if you have someone that's coming

13    in without a plea agreement, that --

14               THE COURT:   I'm sorry.     You lost me there.      You want

15    to what?

16               MR. MARSHALL:    Well, I'd love to tailor this towards

17    somebody that comes in in the situation that my client did --

18    that Mr. John Gaines came in to testify.         But I don't really

19    have an objection to removing this, Judge.          It doesn't apply

20    to the facts of this case.

21               THE COURT:   All right.     So just so the record's

22    clear, everyone is amenable to deleting number 15.

23               Correct, Ms. Chaiken?

24               MS. CHAIKEN:     Yes, Your Honor.

25               THE COURT:   Correct, Ms. Webster?


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 1                MS. WEBSTER:     Yes, Your Honor.

 2                THE COURT:    Correct, Mr. Marshall?

 3                MR. MARSHALL:     Yes.

 4                THE COURT:    All right.     Let's move to on 26.        And,

 5    again, give me one moment.

 6                I guess are there two issues here?         One is the

 7    original issue, which is the added language in the paragraph

 8    to prove the element of concealment on page 44.                And then

 9    there's the additional issue that Mr. Marshall raised.                Is

10    that the universe of what we need to discuss as to 26?

11                MS. CHAIKEN:     Yes, Your Honor.

12                THE COURT:    Okay.    Let's take those in order then.

13                And, again, one moment.

14                All right.    Ms. Webster, you wanted to add this

15    language to the pattern, I believe.          So I'll hear from you

16    first.

17                MS. WEBSTER:     Yes, Your Honor.

18                The language comes from the Supreme Court's decision

19    in Cuellar, and the Eleventh Circuit's decision in Johnson.

20    And it is necessary to define the element of concealment,

21    which is an essential element of this concealment money

22    laundering offense.

23                And so the instruction currently does not define what

24    it means to conceal or disguise or that the purpose has to be

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 1    not merely the effect.      And so this language, which I don't

 2    think there's any dispute is an actual and correct statement

 3    of the law, I think it's necessary for the jury to fully

 4    understand what it must find in order to convict the defendant

 5    under -- of concealment money laundering.

 6               THE COURT:   All right.     Thank you.

 7               Mr. Marshall, anything from you on this before I hear

 8    from the government?

 9               MR. MARSHALL:    No.   Judge, we support Foster's

10    request for that additional language.

11               THE COURT:   Ms. Chaiken?

12               MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, there's a lot of language

13    in various case law about what different statutes and criminal

14    statutes require that are not included in the pattern.             This

15    language that's been added is from cases that are more than

16    15 years old.    And the Eleventh Circuit pattern jury

17    instructions have been updated since then.

18               We're not aware of any authority holding that the

19    pattern jury instructions are in any way insufficient or

20    inaccurate.    They're used regularly in this district.           And

21    the -- I'm sorry, I'm just scrolling up to the element.

22               The element of concealment, as it's explained in

23    the pattern instruction, is that the defendant knew the

24    transaction was designed in whole or in part to conceal or

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 1    the proceeds.

 2               Design is the same thing as purpose, that's what the

 3    jury is being told, is that the transaction has to be designed

 4    to conceal.    And we don't think that anything further needs to

 5    be explained on that.

 6               THE COURT:   All right.     Thank you.

 7               Anything else, Ms. Webster?

 8               MS. WEBSTER:      No, Your Honor.

 9               THE COURT:   All right.     I think it's a fair statement

10    of the law.

11               As far as the age of those cases, I guess it depends

12    on your perspective.        Maybe it's an oldie but goodie from

13    Mr. Foster's perspective.       So I'll allow that language in.

14               MS. WEBSTER:      Thank you.

15               MR. MARSHALL:      You will, Your Honor, yes?

16               THE COURT:   Yes.

17               MR. MARSHALL:      Thank you.

18               THE COURT:   And then, Mr. Marshall, you wanted to be

19    heard on the wire fraud issue?        I think Ms. Chaiken had

20    already stated her piece on that.

21               MR. MARSHALL:      Yeah.   Judge, I'll withdraw that.        If

22    there's an issue, Judge, I may file something additional, but

23    I'll withdraw my argument.

24               THE COURT:   All right.     So that request is withdrawn.

25    Nothing to rule on there.


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 1                Let's go to 30.

 2                And, again, one moment while I look over my notes.

 3                All right.   Let me hear from all of you on this.

 4                MS. CHAIKEN:    Your Honor, we request the deliberate

 5    ignorance instruction.      We believe that, especially in light

 6    of the testimony that was given today by Mr. Gaines, there's

 7    been ample evidence from which the jury could conclude that

 8    Ms. Jackson buried her head in the sand to avoid finding out

 9    what the source of the PPP loan funds were.

10                We believe we can prove actual knowledge as well,

11    but the Eleventh Circuit has held that this instruction is

12    appropriate where the jury, based on the evidence -- or when

13    the evidence could support both actual knowledge or deliberate

14    ignorance.    And here the evidence we heard today established

15    that she knew Mr. Gaines was involved in PPP loan

16    applications, she had filled one out for herself.            And shortly

17    after that received a huge amount of money and didn't ask any

18    questions about where it was from and what the source of it

19    was, from a business that had never before given her money or

20    had any business.

21                And so we think the facts we've heard today strongly

22    support, at the very least, deliberate ignorance.            And we'd

23    ask the instruction be given on that basis.

24                THE COURT:   Let me hear from Mr. Marshall first on

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 1    Ms. Webster.

 2                MS. WEBSTER:     Thank you.

 3                MR. MARSHALL:     Judge, even with Mr. Gaines's

 4    testimony, Judge, I just -- there's no other evidence in the

 5    case, any kind of e-mail, anything where it even infers

 6    Ms. Jackson was trying to avoid getting knowledge about the

 7    source of the funds.        We already know -- there's just no

 8    directives.    It's all between Darrell Thomas and John Gaines.

 9                Even if we accept the testimony that Ms. Jackson knew

10    about PPP loan applications, I asked Mr. Gaines about that,

11    about that e-mail, and he said, well, that communication with

12    Mr. Thomas was because it was going to be a legit PPP loan

13    application.    And he didn't want that S-H-I-T messed up for

14    his wife.    I don't think that there's any evidence in the

15    record that shows that Ms. Jackson was deliberately trying to

16    not gain knowledge about the illegal source.

17                And, again, Judge, we have to remember the witnesses

18    that would have been great for the government to help fill in

19    the backstory to this are, you know, Mr. Andre Gaines, who

20    could have testified, and Mr. Darrell Thomas.            I just don't

21    think there's evidence to support this charge.            And especially

22    based on citations that I put on page 50, Judge.

23                THE COURT:   All right.    I'm going to be blunt.         I,

24    frankly, can't imagine a case where deliberate ignorance is a

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 1    we had for several hours this afternoon.         It strikes right at

 2    the heart of this instruction in my opinion based on the

 3    evidence.

 4                And I've looked at those citations, and I understand

 5    that this is not something to be given frequently, but in a

 6    case like this, it seems like it's wholly applicable, at least

 7    as to Ms. Jackson in her case.

 8                But let me hear from Ms. Webster vis-a-vis

 9    Mr. Foster.    And I'm not even sure the government wants the

10    instruction as to Mr. Foster.

11                MS. CHAIKEN:    Your Honor, we don't really have a

12    view as to how the Court should address who it's as to.

13                THE COURT:   All right.    Well, Ms. Webster, if you

14    take issue with it, perhaps I can model this to apply to only

15    one defendant then.

16                MS. WEBSTER:    Yes, Your Honor.    We do take issue

17    with it.    So I think if the Court's going to give it to

18    Ms. Jackson, then we would request that the Court instruct the

19    jury that it only applies as to Ms. Jackson and does not apply

20    as to Mr. Foster.

21                THE COURT:   All right.    I'll do that without

22    objection from the government.

23                So, Ms. Mueller, let's start that one, you know,

24    we'll have the title, "Deliberate Ignorance As Proof of

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 1               And before I say the words "if a defendant's

 2    knowledge," I'll start off by saying, This next instruction

 3    applies only to the government's case against Ms. Jackson.               It

 4    does not apply as to the government's case against Mr. Foster.

 5               Let's move on to number 30 -- 32 we don't need

 6    because there's the stipulation; right?          Does everyone agree?

 7               MS. CHAIKEN:     Yes, Your Honor.

 8               MS. WEBSTER:     Yes.

 9               MR. MARSHALL:     Yes.

10               THE COURT:    Okay.     Then we've got the supplemental

11    request to charge.      And I know those were all coming in here

12    as we were -- or I'd seen one of them, but not the other, and

13    the government, I guess, hadn't seen either of them.

14               So why don't we take a short recess just in place.

15    But if anybody wants to walk down the hall for a few minutes

16    for a comfort break, we'll do that as well.           We'll just all

17    get back on the record here in, you know, maybe ten minutes or

18    so.    Okay?

19               We're in recess.      We don't need to stand up.        Thank

20    you.

21               Thank you, Officer.

22               (After a recess at 4:54 p.m., the proceedings

23    continued at 5:13 p.m. as follows:)

24               THE COURT:    I assume the government's had a chance to

25    look over these two supplemental requests?


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 1                MS. CHAIKEN:     We have, Your Honor.

 2                THE COURT:    Let's take them in order.

 3                First off, defendants' theory of defense.           Any

 4    objection to that by the government?

 5                MS. CHAIKEN:     Yes, Your Honor.

 6                THE COURT:    Go ahead.

 7                MS. CHAIKEN:     I apologize, Your Honor, I just put

 8    lotion on.

 9                THE COURT:    Take your time.

10                MS. CHAIKEN:     Just before I touch my computer.           Sorry

11    about that.

12                Your Honor, we were looking at United States v. Orr,

13    O-R-R.     It's 819 at F.App'x 756.       It's an Eleventh Circuit

14    case from 2020.

15                THE COURT:    I'm sorry, that cite again?          18 F.App'x

16    1156?

17                MS. CHAIKEN:     No, sorry.    819 F.App'x 756.

18                THE COURT:    All right.

19                MS. CHAIKEN:     One moment, Your Honor.       My computer is

20    freezing up on me.

21                So, Your Honor, in that case, the Eleventh Circuit

22    explained that a theory of defense instruction is not

23    appropriate where it is little more than a defendant-friendly

24    commentary on the evidence and where it's argumentative.

25                And the Court in that case said, Our cases hold that


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 1    a defendant is not entitled to an instruction that is more in

 2    the nature of legal argument or a judicial narrative of his

 3    version of the facts than an objective instruction on the law.

 4               The Court in that case held that the district court

 5    did not err by refusing to give the instruction in that case.

 6    And that if the district court had given the instruction, it

 7    would have impermissibly placed the defendant's desired

 8    factual findings into the mouth of the Court instead of

 9    fulfilling its role of providing the jury with neutral

10    guidance about the issues for deliberations.

11               And those are the same issues that we think

12    Mr. Foster's proposed instruction raises.          It is basically a

13    closing argument as to what Mr. Foster believes the facts have

14    shown in the case, but it doesn't set forth any statement of

15    the law as to an element or something that would require

16    acquittal that he -- you know, that he doesn't think has been

17    proven.    It's more in the nature of just legal argument as to

18    what the evidence has shown.       And he's asking the Court to

19    instruct the jury as if that's an instruction on the law.              And

20    that is our -- the basis for our objection.

21               THE COURT:   All right.     Ms. Webster, I mean, that's a

22    2020 case, which would seem to be later than your other Fifth

23    Circuit cases and -- that you cite.         And I guess you have an

24    Eleventh Circuit from '86.

25               And then you've got some other cases cited, but as


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 1    far as the ones that would say, you know, you're entitled to

 2    this, it looks like that's the Lively case?

 3               MS. WEBSTER:     Yes, Your Honor.    And --

 4               THE COURT:   It seems like -- I guess I -- obviously I

 5    want to look to the most recent Eleventh Circuit case on this.

 6    Ms. Chaiken's citing something from 2020.          I know that's a

 7    F.App'x case, but still persuasive authority, I guess.

 8               MS. WEBSTER:     Yes, Your Honor.    But I think if you're

 9    looking at the actual instruction that was requested in Orr,

10    it's quite different from what we had requested.             So in that

11    case it is I think someone who was interacting with someone

12    who was underage online.

13               And so the instruction says, A major component of

14    the entertainment on the Internet is the rapid repartee, in

15    addition to having imaginative fun.         When engaging in Internet

16    role play, people love to experiment with their personas.

17    Typically people weave a bit of truth about themselves with a

18    great deal of imagination and/or exaggeration.

19               And it goes on like that, just sort of describing,

20    like, general hypotheticals -- or not hypotheticals, but

21    generally the idea behind role playing online.           That's not at

22    all what we have asked for, Your Honor.

23               So our proposed instructions specifically are tied to

24    the counts and -- that are charged against him and identifies

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 1    established.

 2               And so I think that -- and it's also phrased instead

 3    of in the language of these are facts, which I feel like is

 4    how the instruction in Orr is phrased, our instruction is

 5    phrased in the language of, Mr. Foster contends that the

 6    government has not shown.      And, you know, he contends that

 7    there is no evidence that the PPP applications were submitted

 8    to the banks with his knowledge.

 9               And then as to Count 59 specifically, Mr. Foster

10    contends that the government has not shown that he was a

11    willing participant.

12               And so I think that the instruction that Orr is

13    responding to is quite different from the argument that -- or

14    from the proposed instruction that we have submitted.             And I

15    think our instruction is permitted under the Eleventh Circuit

16    decision in Lively and would ask that it would be given.

17               THE COURT:   Ms. Chaiken?

18               MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, the requested instruction

19    that was at issue in Lively was -- it was a short instruction

20    that said, Members of the jury, you are hereby instructed that

21    after the arrest of David Richards, who was an alleged

22    co-conspirator, on March 24th of 1985, he became the

23    government's agent and informer and thereafter could not be a

24    co-conspirator with William David Lively because one who acts

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 1    in the secret role of an informer cannot be a co-conspirator.

 2                That was a theory of defense that was based on the

 3    law that you cannot be a co-conspirator if you are a

 4    government informer.        And so that instruction was instructing

 5    the jury as to law that it should consider in its

 6    deliberations that could impact how it -- how it deliberates

 7    and what verdict it reaches.

 8                Whereas here, I think in looking at the theory

 9    of defense instruction, there's no additional law or no

10    additional concept that is not covered in the jury

11    instructions that the defense is asking the jury to be given.

12    They're just asking basically for their closing argument to

13    be included in the jury instructions and characterize the

14    evidence as part of a jury instruction.

15                THE COURT:    All right.     Thank you, Ms. Chaiken.

16                Yeah, Ms. Webster, you know, we -- it seems like what

17    was at issue in Lively, as Ms. Chaiken just quoted, was

18    something that does go to the law involved.            Whereas, in the

19    2020 Eleventh Circuit case, you know, it talked about little

20    more than a defendant-friendly commentary on the evidence and

21    putting the desired factual findings into the mouth of the

22    Court.     That seems to be exactly what you're doing here.

23                I mean, you highlighted your word "contends," but I

24    would say that that's putting me in the realm of what's the

25    2020 case -- what was the name of that case?


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 1               MS. CHAIKEN:     It was Orr, O-R-R.

 2               THE COURT:   Orr?    O-R-R?   Yeah.

 3               So I'm inclined to sustain the government's

 4    objection, but I want to -- it's a conditional ruling.             I want

 5    to read those cases in their entirety.         And happy to hear

 6    tomorrow morning if anybody has any additional cases to point

 7    to me, but I just think the Orr case is persuasive because as

 8    you read this, it's not filling in for the jury anything about

 9    the law like in Lively, it's essentially just kind of, hey,

10    I'm the judge and here's the defense, here's the defense case.

11    And that seems to be, you know, what the Orr case is saying is

12    not necessary.

13               So I'll look over the cases, but just for planning,

14    I'll tell you that I'm leaning to sustaining the government's

15    objection on that.

16               Let's move to --

17               MR. MARSHALL:    Judge, I have no objection obviously

18    to that charge anyway.      Just wanted to put that on the record.

19               THE COURT:   All right.     Thank you, Mr. Marshall.

20               No dog in that hunt, I guess you would say?

21               MR. MARSHALL:    I mean, I'm sitting back here.

22               THE COURT:   All right.     Let's move to the next one.

23               This involves Mr. Dixon.      Is there an objection,

24    Ms. Chaiken, to this?

25               MS. CHAIKEN:     There is, Your Honor.


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 1               THE COURT:   Okay.     Go ahead.

 2               MS. CHAIKEN:      Your Honor, the case -- the first case

 3    that Mr. Foster cites in footnote 1, he has the quote from the

 4    Eleventh Circuit in United States v. Raphael, 487 F.App'x 490,

 5    which says, The Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals has not yet

 6    addressed the issue of whether the government's refusal to

 7    grant immunity to a witness may serve as a basis for a missing

 8    witness instruction.

 9               The very next sentence of that case, which is not

10    included in this footnote, is, But every circuit to have

11    considered this question has held that the government's mere

12    ability to grant immunity without more does not make a witness

13    who invokes the Fifth Amendment right not to testify

14    peculiarly available to the government within the meaning of

15    the missing witness rule.

16               And there are cites to a Fifth Circuit case, a Second

17    Circuit case, a First Circuit case, a Ninth Circuit case, a

18    Seventh Circuit case and a DC Circuit case.

19               So every circuit that has considered this issue has

20    unanimously held that the government's ability to grant

21    immunity to a witness cannot serve as a basis for this missing

22    witness instruction.        And here, Your Honor --

23               THE COURT:   One moment, Ms. Chaiken, I'm sorry.

24               Go ahead, Ms. Chaiken.      Sorry for the interruption.

25               MS. CHAIKEN:      Your Honor, the proposed instruction


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 1    here says it was particularly within the power of the

 2    government to grant immunity to Ricky Dixon.           And that, in the

 3    circumstances in which this has happened in this case, is not

 4    true.

 5               The first time we heard of any request for immunity

 6    was this morning, minutes before Mr. Dixon was here.              A grant

 7    of immunity to a witness requires multiple levels of approval,

 8    both from our office and from the Department of Justice.               And

 9    this case has been on the trial calendar for nine months.               We

10    have not heard about it until this morning.           And it would be,

11    I think, very misleading to suggest to the jury that we could

12    have decided to grant Mr. Dixon immunity and have him testify

13    under these circumstances because we could not have done so.

14               I also don't think any record has been made that

15    Mr. Dixon would have given favorable testimony to the defense.

16    We asked them to do so.       They refused to do so and to say what

17    he was going to testify about, how they knew that, what they

18    expected him to say.

19               And so I think in the circumstances where Mr. Dixon

20    has already invoked the Fifth in the presence of the jury,

21    Ms. Webster was permitted to ask him a series of questions as

22    to which she knew he was going to invoke the Fifth and

23    basically allowed her to just say whatever she wanted in the

24    presence of the jury and have him invoke the Fifth, I think

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 1    presented to the jury.      But I don't think there's any basis,

 2    both given the law and given the circumstances here, to

 3    instruct the jury that Mr. Dixon would have provided favorable

 4    evidence and to suggest to the jury that the reason why we

 5    didn't grant him immunity is because we didn't want him to

 6    testify favorably to the defense.

 7               THE COURT:    Ms. Webster, let me hear from you.           Also

 8    I would be interested to hear from you about the -- and, you

 9    know, as Ms. Chaiken was reading it, I was also pulling up the

10    case and reading it myself.

11               One moment.

12               I guess I'd like to hear you regarding the selective

13    quotation there.     I mean, you quoted, This Court has not yet

14    addressed the issue of whether the government's refusal to

15    grant immunity to a witness may serve as a basis for a missing

16    witness instruction, but you didn't give me -- and obviously

17    Ms. Chaiken looked at the case and gave me, and simultaneous

18    with that, my law clerk had pulled the case and sent to me the

19    second sentence right after that that says, But every circuit

20    who has considered this question has held, et cetera.

21               So I'm, frankly, a little concerned by that.

22               MS. WEBSTER:     Your Honor, may Ms. Durrett address

23    this issue?    She was researching it while I was --

24               THE COURT:    Yes.   I'd be happy to hear from whoever

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 1               MS. DURRETT:     Your Honor, it's me.      I'm the one that

 2    wrote that and sent that to the Court.

 3               The "without more" part of those cases is without a

 4    showing that the testimony would be favorable.            So the cases

 5    say you can't just say, okay, they didn't grant him immunity

 6    so we should be able to have an adverse inference in this

 7    case.    It's that you have to have a witness who is

 8    particularly within the control of one of the parties and that

 9    you can show that the testimony would be favorable that you

10    want.

11               And so that's the "without more" component, Your

12    Honor, that we can show that the government had the ability to

13    grant immunity.      Mr. Berne requested that immunity.         The

14    government denied that request.         And Ms. Webster did put on

15    the record that Mr. Dixon would testify in a favorable way.

16               THE COURT:    Well, did the government deny the request

17    or did Ms. Chaiken say she doesn't have the ability to do

18    that, which I think is true?        Ms. Chaiken does not sit there

19    as a Department of Justice of one.          She didn't have the

20    ability at that moment to grant the immunity.

21               I mean, could someone have requested that we pause

22    the case and take a week for it to go up to Washington, DC,

23    and back down?     Perhaps, but no one did so.        So her statement

24    that she didn't have the ability to do that was true.              I mean,

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 1    immunity as we were sitting here today.

 2               MS. DURRETT:     That's right, Your Honor.         But the

 3    government also didn't bring Mr. Dixon to testify in this

 4    case.    They had the ability to bring him as a witness.            So the

 5    cases talk about the -- how a witness is available to both

 6    parties; right?

 7               So typically in a situation where a witness is

 8    unavailable, they're unavailable to both parties.             But we

 9    can -- we have a showing here where the witness was only

10    unavailable as to us.       And that's because the government could

11    have brought him, they could have given him immunity to

12    testify, but they chose not to do so.          So we are the party

13    that is -- that he is unavailable to.          And that's what the

14    cases talk about.      And the government didn't say that it would

15    have tried to get immunity.

16               THE COURT:    I'm sorry?

17               MS. WEBSTER:     I think that what the -- if I recall

18    correctly, and I obviously don't have the transcript in front

19    of me, but I think that what the government --

20               THE COURT:    One moment.

21               Your instruction, It was particularly within the

22    power of the government to grant immunity to Ricky Dixon, who

23    could have given material testimony on an issue in the case,

24    but that's just different than the situation we have.

25               I mean, you called -- you decided to call -- I mean,


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 1    there were dozens of co-defendants the United States could

 2    have called or the defense could have called.            I assume the

 3    decision was made not to call co-defendants because all of

 4    them had been engaged in -- or most of them had been engaged

 5    in fraud, so perhaps they're not the best witnesses.               But this

 6    is a situation in which you called the witness.               And as we've

 7    seen, calling these co-defendants, some of them decide to

 8    invoke their Fifth Amendment rights.         Mr. Dixon did.        Some of

 9    them don't.    Mr. Gaines testified in great detail.

10               And so at that moment the government didn't have the

11    ability.    And I think that's what Ms. Chaiken said, is -- and

12    we can, you know -- when was that?          Was that this afternoon or

13    was it this morning?

14               MS. CHAIKEN:     It was this morning, Your Honor.          And I

15    believe we said we don't have authority to do that.

16               THE COURT:   And you don't; is that correct, as an

17    officer of the court?

18               MS. CHAIKEN:     No.   We -- and with Mr. Moore, who is

19    here from the Department of Justice, that imposes even greater

20    approval requirements on the grant of immunity because we

21    would each need to get approval from that -- from our --

22    through our respective processes.

23               THE COURT:   All right.

24               Ms. Durrett, go ahead.

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 1    we've said is our position, that we believe that he was

 2    unavailable only as to us, and for that reason we think we're

 3    entitled to the instruction.

 4               MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor?

 5               THE COURT:   Yes.

 6               MS. CHAIKEN:     I pulled up the first case that was

 7    one of the cases cited in the Raphael decision about other

 8    circuits that have considered this issue.          It's a Fifth

 9    Circuit case, United States v. Rios, 636 F.3d 168.            It's a

10    Fifth Circuit case from 2011.

11               And in that case the Fifth Circuit said -- well, the

12    defendant in that case argued that a particular witness was

13    peculiarly within the government's control because the

14    government had the ability to grant immunity.           And further the

15    defendant argued that the witness's testimony allegedly would

16    have been relevant.

17               The Court then went on to say, The Fifth Circuit has

18    yet to address whether a witness who relies upon his or her

19    constitutional right not to testify is peculiarly within the

20    government's control.       Every circuit that has considered the

21    question, though, has held that the government's ability to

22    grant immunity does not make a witness who invokes the Fifth

23    Amendment right not to testify peculiarly available to the

24    government.

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 1    the person -- or that the defendant had made a showing that

 2    the testimony would have been favorable; it was just

 3    addressing the question of whether the government's decision

 4    not to grant immunity makes the witness peculiarly within the

 5    government's control.

 6               And then the Court went on to say -- the Court went

 7    on to say, Some circuits have provided an exception where

 8    there's a substantial showing of an abuse of prosecutorial

 9    discretion or where circumstances indicate that the witness

10    would have been exculpatory.

11               And the Court then went on to say, Requiring a

12    missing witness instruction each time the prosecution decides

13    not to immunize a witness would constitute a substantial

14    judicial encroachment upon prosecutorial discretion.

15               In addition, a prosecutor's decision not to grant

16    immunity does not categorically give rise to an inference that

17    the witness's testimony would be unfavorable to the

18    government.

19               And the Court then goes on to say, We conclude that

20    the government's failure to grant immunity to a witness who

21    invokes the Fifth Amendment right not to testify does not by

22    itself entitle a defendant to a missing witness instruction.

23               The defendant in that case did not argue

24    prosecutorial abuse of discretion, so they need not consider

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 1               THE COURT:   All right.     I think that's persuasive

 2    authority and I think it applies here.         I mean, there's no --

 3    is there any prosecutorial abuse here, Ms. Durrett?            I mean,

 4    the prosecution was faced with this immunity issue on the fly

 5    and said it didn't have the authority to do that, which is

 6    true, right during the trial anyway.         And no one requested a

 7    pause for them to go up the flagpole for that.

 8               MS. WEBSTER:     Your Honor, to jump in, we can -- I can

 9    review the transcript later, but I think -- I may be wrong,

10    but I thought what the government said was, we don't have the

11    authority to do that and we're not going to do that.             And so

12    they did not indicate that there was any willingness to try;

13    therefore, pausing the trial to allow that to happen would

14    have been futile because there was no indication of any

15    willingness by the government to do so.

16               And I just want to go back and make very clear that,

17    based on our conversations with Mr. Dixon's attorney, there is

18    a very clear belief on our part, and I think -- I want the

19    record to be clear that Mr. Dixon's testimony would have been

20    favorable because he would have said that Darrell Thomas told

21    him to identify Teldrin Foster.        And we have a good faith

22    basis for saying that.      That is not speculation.         And I think

23    I put that on the record this morning, but I just want to be

24    very clear about that.      And I think that's all.

25               THE COURT:   Why don't you both give me briefs on this


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 1    by 9:00 tomorrow morning.       You can just restate what you've

 2    already stated if you don't have anything new, or if you have

 3    something new, you can add it so I have it all in one place.

 4               Ms. Lee, let's tell the jury, if we have the ability

 5    to get in touch with them, to not come until 10:00.            I want to

 6    make sure I've read the proper cases on this one before we

 7    make any decision.

 8               Actually, get me those by 8:30, if you can.           That'll

 9    give me -- in addition to looking over some things this

10    evening, it'll give me 8:30 to 9:30 to review your filings

11    and then 30 more minutes to talk to you about it if I need it

12    before we bring in the jury at 10:00.

13               And I'll also look back further on the theory of

14    defense cases which I want to read through.

15               All right.   Anything else from anyone this evening?

16               MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, as far as the time

17    limitation for closing arguments, I had previously, when there

18    was still four defendants, requested 90 minutes.             I would like

19    to revise that request to 75 minutes.

20               THE COURT:   Okay.    And how much time do each of the

21    defendants want?

22               MS. WEBSTER:     I'm going to request 60, but I don't

23    think I will talk that long.

24               THE COURT:   All right.

25               Mr. Marshall?


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 1                MR. MARSHALL:     How much time, Leigh Ann?

 2                MS. WEBSTER:     I requested 60.

 3                MR. MARSHALL:     Yeah.   No more than an hour, Judge.         I

 4    think that's appropriate.        60 minutes.

 5                THE COURT:    All right.     Well, if -- Ms. Chaiken, if

 6    you need a full 75, you can have it.

 7                Ms. Webster, if you need a full 60, you can have it.

 8                Mr. Marshall, do you know what I'm about to say?

 9                MR. MARSHALL:     Same thing I hope, Judge.

10                THE COURT:    Yes.    If you need a full 60, you can have

11    it, but I would hope that each of those can be shorter than

12    that.

13                MS. WEBSTER:     Your Honor, I'm sorry, we did have one

14    issue.     I am slightly concerned, based on some of the answers

15    to cross-examination yesterday, that I feel like I should

16    renew our motion in limine about the government taking

17    inconsistent positions between this trial and then its

18    positions at Gena Pyfrom-Foster's sentencing hearing.

19                And it's limited to -- currently to this issue, which

20    is that on the stand the -- I believe that the agent denied

21    that they were -- that Gena Pyfrom-Foster was hiding her

22    communications with Darrell Thomas from Mr. Foster.

23                And I crossed him on that a little bit more, but at

24    Ms. Foster --      or Ms. Pyfrom-Foster's sentencing hearing, the

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 1    indication Ms. Pyfrom-Foster's communications with Darrell

 2    Thomas that she was hiding from her husband, that she was

 3    talking to Darrell Thomas directly.          She talks about Ted all

 4    the time in a negative way in her WhatsApp messages.              And then

 5    she says there was no indication she was being forced to do

 6    any of this, she was hiding that she was doing it from

 7    Mr. Foster.

 8                And so while we are not currently asking for, you

 9    know, any sort of information to go back to the jury, I just

10    wanted to put on the record that if the government takes a

11    position that's inconsistent with its statements, that -- or

12    implies that, you know, Ms. Pyfrom-Foster and Mr. Thomas were

13    all communicating with Mr. Foster together, especially during

14    the relevant time periods, that we believe that -- we would

15    believe that that would be objectionable and will object at

16    the time.

17                So I just sort of wanted to put that on the record at

18    this point.

19                THE COURT:   So noted.

20                Anything else from anyone this evening?

21                MS. CHAIKEN:    Your Honor, does the Court instruct the

22    jury before or after closing arguments?

23                THE COURT:   I usually do it after.

24                MS. CHAIKEN:    After?   Okay.

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 1    of the jury instructions, a printout to take back for

 2    deliberations?

 3                THE COURT:    Would everyone like that?

 4                MR. MARSHALL:     I would for Ms. Jackson.

 5                MS. CHAIKEN:     Yes.

 6                MS. WEBSTER:     Yes.

 7                THE COURT:    Ms. Webster?     All three of you do?

 8    That's fine.

 9                MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, should we prepare a copy of

10    the indictment to be sent back to the jury?

11                THE COURT:    Yes.    I thought we discussed that at the

12    pretrial conference and that y'all were doing that.              Do I

13    misremember?

14                MS. CHAIKEN:     I'm probably misremembering, Your

15    Honor.

16                MR. MARSHALL:     Judge -- I'm sorry.

17                MS. WEBSTER:     I don't know that I remember what the

18    conversation was, but is it --

19                THE COURT:    I thought we breached that subject, but I

20    may not remember.       I assume --

21                MS. CHAIKEN:     Yeah.    I mean, we think --

22                THE COURT:    I don't know how they could do their work

23    without it; right?

24                MS. CHAIKEN:     I agree, yes.

25                MS. WEBSTER:     We agree.


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 1                THE COURT:    Ms. Webster and Mr. Marshall, it sounds

 2    like they agree as well.

 3                MR. MARSHALL:     (Nods head.)

 4                THE COURT:    I guess that there were going to be

 5    some -- then there's the stipulations about the banks or

 6    whatnot, was that changed to company one, bank one or

 7    something, and then there was a stipulation about that.                 So

 8    I'm not sure how that all panned out.

 9                MS. CHAIKEN:     Correct, Your Honor.      We have the

10    stipulation that has the chart of what the entities correspond

11    to.   And my understanding was that when the Court explained

12    the indictment or told the jury that they were going to get a

13    copy of the indictment, it would let them know that they would

14    have this chart with them, is my understanding.

15                So we'll send back the jury instructions, the

16    indictment, the stipulations, the exhibits obviously.

17                I think that's it.

18                THE COURT:    Okay.

19                MR. MARSHALL:     Your Honor, I have one more comment on

20    the jury instructions I don't think we raised.             Sorry.

21                MS. CHAIKEN:     Oh, I did have one more question, Your

22    Honor.     Sorry.

23                THE COURT:    Hold on.    Let me finish my notes, then

24    I'll hear from Mr. Marshall, then I'll hear from you, please.

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 1               MR. MARSHALL:     Judge, on request to charge number 19,

 2    did we discuss that, by chance?        This has to do with the

 3    introduction to offenses instructions, that's request to

 4    charge number 19.     Since we don't have the same defendants in

 5    the case, we have to modify that language in the first

 6    paragraph and downward.

 7               THE COURT:   All right.     This is just what y'all sent

 8    me.   So what do you want to change from what you've sent me

 9    that you wanted earlier?

10               MR. MARSHALL:     Well, it just lays out which

11    defendants are charged with which counts.          So Defendant Gaines

12    should not be in here anymore.       So that needs to be deleted,

13    that line in the first paragraph where it says, Defendant

14    Gaines is charged in Counts 6 through 8, Count 37 and Counts

15    44 through 47.

16               The next line goes out with Defendant Baptiste.

17               Defendant Jackson can stay in there, just take the

18    "and" out and leave it as -- you know, fix it that way.

19               The second paragraph, the Defendants Gaines, Baptiste

20    or Foster, that needs to be changed as far as the conspiracy.

21               And I don't represent -- I don't know, Leigh Ann, if

22    you want to talk about that, how that goes.

23               MS. WEBSTER:     Yeah.   The next paragraph, so the third

24    paragraph should also be modified to just say other charge --

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 1    just who's charged.     I don't think the substance of anything

 2    needs to change.

 3               MR. MARSHALL:    Yep.    It's just who is charged.

 4               THE COURT:   All right.     So just so we're clear on

 5    this -- and I don't think this is any issue, I don't hear

 6    Ms. Chaiken saying anything -- but on request to charge 19,

 7    we're going to delete, starting with Defendant Gaines, that

 8    line, the entire next line, and then through -- 48 through 50?

 9               MS. WEBSTER:     Correct.

10               THE COURT:   Okay.      And then we're going to delete the

11    words "Gaines," "Baptiste" in the second paragraph, and we're

12    going to delete the words "Gaines," "Baptiste" in the third

13    paragraph; correct?

14               MS. WEBSTER:     Yes.

15               THE COURT:   Correct, Mr. Marshall?

16               MR. MARSHALL:    Yes, Judge.

17               THE COURT:   Correct, Ms. Chaiken?

18               MS. CHAIKEN:     Yes, Your Honor.

19               THE COURT:   Ms. Mueller, do you have that?

20    Wonderful.    All right.    Thank you.

21               I need to hear from Ms. Chaiken on something else.

22    I'll be reviewing your filings that I get by 8:30 tomorrow

23    morning.    At 8:30 tomorrow morning, I'd like the -- any of the

24    paralegals involved in the case that have been tracking all

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 1    of exhibits ready.      You know, if that's not planned in

 2    advance, you know, we'll have the instruction -- I'll give

 3    them the instructions, I'll tell them to go deliberate and,

 4    hold on, we'll get you the exhibits, and then it's an hour

 5    later before y'all have the exhibits ready to go back.

 6               So I would like between 8:30 and 9:30 for that to be

 7    done by everyone concerned.       Y'all can compare lists and make

 8    sure the stack is accurate.

 9               Ms. Chaiken, you had an additional issue?

10               MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, just a question as far as

11    the exhibits going back.      Does the Court want us to send back

12    a list of our exhibits that have been admitted to aid the jury

13    or not?

14               THE COURT:    If everyone wants to put a list together,

15    that's one combined list, that's not objectionable to anyone,

16    I'd be happy to have you do that.        But to the extent we're

17    going to get into disputes about how something's labeled, we

18    won't have any lists.

19               So if y'all can agree on a combined list of exhibits,

20    what they are, I'm happy to send the list back.              But if

21    sending a list back is going to mean that we're going to need

22    to have a conversation about how to describe something, you

23    know, I'll cross that bridge when we come to it, but I can

24    tell you I'm probably not going to want to have that

25    conversation.


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 1                MS. CHAIKEN:    Understood, Your Honor.      We'll talk to

 2    defense counsel.

 3                THE COURT:   Anything else?

 4                MR. MARSHALL:   Ms. Chaiken, verdict forms?

 5                Sorry, Judge.   We have one or two issues with the

 6    verdict forms or what are suggestions.         We want them ready

 7    tomorrow.

 8                It can probably be done tomorrow if you want, Judge.

 9                THE COURT:   No, let's go ahead and do it tonight.

10    Thank you for the reminder.

11                I, frankly, hadn't -- as to the verdict form, I had

12    seen these come in.      I didn't know there was much controversy

13    about them.    I was under the impression there wasn't.           Let me

14    know what you disagree on, if any.

15                I'm looking at Document 841, parties' proposed

16    verdict form.    And then I'm looking at 842 and 845.

17                MS. CHAIKEN:    Your Honor, I'm not sure which docket

18    entry is which one because I'm looking at the Word documents.

19    But we are in agreement with Mr. Foster as to the verdict

20    form, that was an agreed verdict form.

21                With respect to Ms. Jackson's verdict --

22                THE COURT:   So just so the record is clear, and I

23    think it's -- 841 is parties' proposed verdict form as to

24    Mr. Foster.    And that's, yeah, correct where I flipped and

25    didn't see any issues.


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 1               And then 842, that's Baptiste.       We don't need to

 2    concern ourselves with that.

 3               But 845 is the proposed verdict form regarding

 4    Ms. Jackson.    Give me one moment.

 5               MR. MARSHALL:    I can make this quick, Judge.

 6               THE COURT:   Yes.

 7               MR. MARSHALL:    I don't demand that we take our

 8    request that we take the word "unanimously" out.             I think that

 9    was the only remaining issue on mine; right?          I think?

10               MS. CHAIKEN:     Well, also you had wanted -- you had

11    wanted to delete, As to Count 46 of the indictment charging

12    money laundering, you had just wanted it to say, We the jury

13    find Defendant Carla Jackson.

14               MR. MARSHALL:    We can leave that in, Judge.         I have

15    no objection.

16               So it can be, As to Count 46 of the indictment, leave

17    all that in and unanimously.

18               THE COURT:   All right.     So it sounds like any

19    objections the defense had to the government language are

20    withdrawn.

21               MR. MARSHALL:    Yes.

22               THE COURT:   So we have an agreed-upon form as to

23    Ms. Jackson as well.

24               I guess the only issue is that the government had

25    noted that the order of guilty, not guilty was different in


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 1    Ms. Marshall's (sic) than in Mr. Foster's.

 2                MS. CHAIKEN:     Right.   Yes.   I mean, we just think it

 3    should be consistent, whatever it is.

 4                MR. MARSHALL:     Judge, I'd just prefer the other.

 5    It's always ordered guilty, not guilty, but, you know, there's

 6    a presumption of innocence and I like the not guilty appearing

 7    first.

 8                MS. WEBSTER:     We would also not mind not guilty

 9    coming first, but I don't feel strongly about it.

10                MR. MARSHALL:     But I wouldn't want them -- if they're

11    inconsistent between --

12                THE COURT:    All right.     Let's just --

13                MS. WEBSTER:     -- all of them, it would be a problem,

14    between the two.

15                THE COURT:    Ms. Chaiken, do you have any position on

16    this?

17                MS. CHAIKEN:     Your Honor, we're fine with whatever

18    order.     If Mr. Foster wants to reverse those because it's a

19    long verdict form with a lot of counts.           You know, it would

20    just take longer to switch the not guiltys and guiltys on that

21    one than to switch the guilty and not guilty on Ms. Jackson's.

22                THE COURT:    It sounds like Ms. Webster's willing to

23    be the scrivener to make those administrative changes.               Is

24    that right, Ms. Webster?

25                MS. WEBSTER:     I thought I was making it easier by


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 1    agreeing with Mr. Marshall, but sure, we can change it, yes.

 2               THE COURT:   Yeah.    Okay.   Well, those will -- we'll

 3    keep Ms. Jackson's verdict form the way it is, and then

 4    Ms. Webster will get us a new verdict form that reverses the

 5    guilty, not guilty order.

 6               And I will speak with you at 9:30 regarding that one

 7    open issue about Ricky Dixon.

 8               And I'll also look back and -- I've read excerpts of

 9    the cases on the other issue, but I'll go back and read the

10    entirety of those cases and let you know if I've changed my

11    mind on that or if you have any additional argument on that.

12               I hope all concerned have a good evening.

13               (After a recess at 5:54 p.m., the proceedings

14    continued on February 14, 2024, as follows:)

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 3    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

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 7    and correct transcript of the proceedings taken down by me in

 8    the case aforesaid.

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             This the 13th Day of February, 2024.
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                    $                      1228 [6] - 229:22, 229:25, 230:5,         2023 [1] - 257:19
                                            231:24, 232:2                            2024 [4] - 130:11, 196:4, 302:14, 303:9
$1,500 [1] - 222:19                        1228A [3] - 230:13, 236:20, 249:8         21 [1] - 163:21
$1,821 [1] - 175:7                         1228B [3] - 230:25, 236:23, 237:1         22 [3] - 163:21, 168:10, 250:16
$10,000 [7] - 152:2, 152:6, 152:22,        12:48 [1] - 132:1                         22ND [3] - 184:15, 244:20, 250:19
 154:7, 155:3, 156:5                       12A [1] - 264:5                           23 [2] - 163:21, 204:22
$155,000 [4] - 160:14, 215:17, 215:21,     12B [3] - 263:22, 264:3, 264:6            2306 [1] - 240:10
 216:10                                    12C [2] - 263:17, 263:23                  2307 [4] - 204:17, 206:1, 206:4, 206:10
$179,000 [1] - 221:21                      13 [7] - 130:11, 155:6, 155:19, 210:24,   24 [1] - 163:21
$179,985.72 [3] - 184:18, 244:23,           264:10, 264:15                           24TH [1] - 279:22
 250:22                                    13TH [1] - 303:9                          25 [3] - 139:14, 163:21, 164:13
$3,000 [1] - 175:4                         14 [4] - 139:14, 264:16, 264:21, 302:14   26 [6] - 139:14, 260:19, 265:13, 266:12,
$300,000 [1] - 201:2                       1408 [1] - 191:25                          269:4, 269:10
$335,000 [1] - 222:23                      15 [13] - 139:5, 139:6, 234:8, 264:22,    26TH [1] - 247:8
$71,144.35 [2] - 172:24, 173:2              264:23, 265:5, 265:13, 266:12,           27 [1] - 206:1
$9,700 [2] - 157:5, 217:24                  267:19, 267:21, 268:22, 270:16           27TH [1] - 224:15
                                           16 [3] - 234:8, 265:6, 265:8              29 [8] - 255:13, 259:4, 259:23, 260:1,
                    '                      1602 [1] - 178:1                           260:16, 261:4, 261:23
'86 [1] - 277:24                           168 [1] - 288:9                           29TH [1] - 146:14
                                           16TH [2] - 175:9, 175:12                  2:47 [1] - 211:25
                    1                      17 [8] - 183:19, 234:8, 244:13, 244:18,   2ND [1] - 231:8
                                            244:20, 250:7, 250:10
1 [4] - 131:3, 194:16, 213:22, 282:3
1,500 [1] - 222:12
                                           17TH [2] - 171:21, 174:20                                      3
                                           18 [8] - 139:3, 147:11, 183:20, 234:5,
10 [3] - 265:13, 266:12, 266:18                                                      30 [6] - 266:9, 266:10, 266:12, 272:1,
                                            234:6, 250:10, 250:18, 276:15
10,000 [1] - 156:6                                                                    275:5, 291:11
                                           18TH [5] - 156:12, 156:13, 216:18,
10/10/19 [1] - 142:16                                                                30TH [1] - 172:15
                                            216:20, 218:9
10/19 [1] - 142:16                                                                   32 [3] - 265:13, 266:12, 275:5
                                           19 [3] - 296:1, 296:4, 297:6
100 [2] - 154:17, 222:10                                                             365 [8] - 151:12, 151:16, 151:17, 156:6,
                                           1985 [1] - 279:22
1000 [2] - 143:12, 143:15                                                             156:19, 217:21, 221:19, 248:22
                                           19TH [3] - 157:20, 218:10, 219:5
10:00 [2] - 291:5, 291:12                                                            37 [1] - 296:14
                                           1:06 [2] - 134:15, 134:20
10K [1] - 156:19                                                                     3:00 [1] - 212:1
                                           1:10 [1] - 136:22
10TH [1] - 175:2                                                                     3:01 [1] - 212:15
                                           1:20-CR-00296-JPB [1] - 130:5
11 [3] - 262:22, 262:25, 263:7                                                       3:07 [1] - 212:16
                                           1ST [2] - 146:14, 172:15
1100 [1] - 142:7                                                                     3RD [3] - 230:8, 232:12, 235:18
1108 [3] - 145:25, 146:13, 148:6
                                                               2
1125 [4] - 158:18, 160:17, 220:13,                                                                        4
 220:14                                    2 [3] - 131:7, 230:23, 230:25
                                                                                     404(B [1] - 265:7
1150 [1] - 170:25                          2'17 [2] - 139:17, 139:22
                                                                                     44 [2] - 269:8, 296:15
1151 [1] - 172:8                           2'18 [2] - 139:17, 139:22
                                                                                     46 [4] - 260:15, 261:3, 300:11, 300:16
1156 [1] - 276:16                          2'19 [2] - 139:22, 164:21
                                                                                     47 [3] - 138:17, 159:25, 296:15
1160 [1] - 212:23                          2'20 [1] - 164:21
                                                                                     48 [1] - 297:8
1167 [5] - 149:20, 160:15, 169:11,         20 [3] - 163:21, 165:7, 205:16
                                                                                     487 [1] - 282:4
 170:3, 213:7                              20-MINUTE-ER [1] - 252:19
                                                                                     490 [1] - 282:4
1169 [1] - 151:6                           20-SOME [1] - 149:5
                                                                                     4:01 [1] - 252:21
12 [1] - 263:17                            2011 [1] - 288:10
                                                                                     4:06 [1] - 255:24
1206 [1] - 194:19                          2014 [1] - 188:17
                                                                                     4:21 [1] - 255:25
1206A [1] - 194:19                         2016 [3] - 196:3, 196:20, 200:3
                                                                                     4:23 [1] - 256:4
1207 [4] - 192:14, 192:16, 194:3, 194:12   2017 [1] - 235:18
                                                                                     4:26 [1] - 258:24
1207A [2] - 193:2, 194:4                   2018 [2] - 188:2, 189:1
                                                                                     4:37 [1] - 266:1
1220 [4] - 230:24, 245:12, 245:19,         2019 [4] - 139:24, 146:5, 149:10, 202:4
                                                                                     4:38 [1] - 266:1
 248:20                                    2020 [38] - 139:24, 146:14, 149:10,
                                                                                     4:54 [1] - 275:22
1220A [1] - 248:25                          171:21, 172:15, 172:21, 174:19,
1220B [1] - 249:1                           174:20, 175:2, 175:9, 176:6, 177:22,
1221 [1] - 231:24                           184:15, 188:10, 200:3, 215:9, 215:24,                         5
1225 [3] - 245:12, 245:19, 248:5            216:18, 216:20, 218:3, 218:5, 223:4,     50 [2] - 273:22, 297:8
1225A [1] - 248:10                          224:15, 230:8, 231:8, 231:12, 244:21,    59 [2] - 259:16, 279:9
1227 [3] - 245:12, 245:19, 247:5            247:8, 250:19, 276:14, 277:22, 278:6,    5:13 [1] - 275:23
                                            280:19, 280:25                           5:54 [1] - 302:13
1227A [1] - 247:20
                                           2021 [1] - 181:11                         5TH [1] - 172:21
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                                             218:25                                   294:25, 295:2, 298:19
                    6
                                            ACCURATE [2] - 164:9, 298:8              AGREEABLE [2] - 267:8, 267:9
6 [2] - 263:11, 296:14                      ACCURATELY [1] - 155:14                  AGREED [8] - 134:9, 135:13, 186:11,
6/22/2020 [2] - 159:8, 159:16               ACQUITTAL [3] - 259:5, 261:5, 277:16      245:7, 265:9, 265:10, 299:20, 300:22
60 [5] - 291:22, 292:2, 292:4, 292:7,       ACTING [1] - 259:11                      AGREED-UPON [1] - 300:22
 292:10                                     ACTIVITIES [1] - 236:11                  AGREEING [1] - 302:1
60S [1] - 189:7                             ACTIVITY [4] - 222:14, 260:21, 261:13,   AGREEMENT [7] - 238:7, 264:23,
636 [1] - 288:9                              261:21                                   264:25, 267:24, 268:2, 268:13, 299:19
67 [1] - 188:10                             ACTS [1] - 279:24                        AGREEMENTS [1] - 268:6
6A [4] - 263:9, 263:12, 263:13, 263:15      ACTUAL [10] - 141:24, 164:4, 192:23,     AHEAD [19] - 145:25, 149:22, 172:16,
                                             221:3, 244:4, 259:22, 270:2, 272:10,     172:18, 181:1, 184:2, 211:22, 231:22,
                    7                        272:13, 278:9                            236:18, 255:19, 258:13, 262:11,
7 [3] - 130:6, 250:17, 250:18               ADD [2] - 269:14, 291:3                   264:2, 264:9, 276:6, 282:1, 282:24,
75 [2] - 291:19, 292:6                      ADDED [2] - 269:7, 270:15                 287:24, 299:9
756 [2] - 276:13, 276:17                    ADDITION [4] - 162:4, 278:15, 289:15,    AID [1] - 298:12
                                             291:9                                   ALABAMA [26] - 144:19, 156:25, 157:3,
                                            ADDITIONAL [14] - 133:16, 133:17,         160:22, 161:17, 162:17, 163:6,
                    8                        136:3, 158:8, 164:15, 261:5, 269:9,      163:10, 163:17, 165:10, 166:15,
8 [1] - 296:14                               270:10, 271:22, 280:9, 280:10, 281:6,    169:15, 170:14, 182:11, 189:9, 203:7,
800,000 [1] - 145:23                         298:9, 302:11                            203:13, 214:13, 217:9, 217:19,
806,710 [1] - 146:7                         ADDRESS [20] - 174:5, 178:3, 178:5,       218:15, 226:14, 228:25, 239:3,
819 [2] - 276:13, 276:17                     190:10, 192:2, 204:20, 204:24, 205:7,    239:25, 240:13
820 [1] - 157:8                              206:1, 206:4, 206:7, 206:10, 236:3,     ALIAS [2] - 190:13, 247:15
840 [1] - 262:13                             240:9, 243:18, 260:11, 266:5, 274:12,   ALLEGED [1] - 279:21
841 [2] - 299:15, 299:23                     284:22, 288:18                          ALLEGEDLY [1] - 288:15
842 [2] - 299:16, 300:1                     ADDRESSED [2] - 282:6, 284:14            ALLOW [2] - 271:13, 290:13
845 [2] - 299:16, 300:3                     ADDRESSES [1] - 251:16                   ALLOWED [2] - 210:6, 283:23
8:30 [5] - 291:8, 291:10, 297:22, 297:23,   ADDRESSING [1] - 289:3                   ALMOST [2] - 180:5, 189:7
 298:6                                      ADMINISTERED [1] - 239:3                 ALONE [2] - 203:12, 203:14
8TH [2] - 174:19, 215:9                     ADMINISTRATIVE [1] - 301:23              ALTOGETHER [1] - 139:6
                                            ADMINISTRATIVELY [1] - 136:13            AMENABLE [1] - 268:22
                    9                       ADMISSION [2] - 267:6, 267:16            AMENDMENT [1] - 260:12
                                            ADMIT [3] - 229:21, 245:11, 254:18       AMENDMENT [8] - 133:3, 135:1,
90 [2] - 1:5, 291:18
                                            ADMITTED [12] - 143:15, 151:13,           135:23, 253:14, 282:13, 287:8,
902.11 [2] - 229:23, 245:13
                                             155:23, 165:5, 178:1, 182:2, 182:5,      288:23, 289:21
9:00 [2] - 258:23, 291:1
                                             230:3, 244:6, 246:11, 265:7, 298:12     AMERICA [3] - 171:12, 172:13, 200:16
9:30 [3] - 291:10, 298:6, 302:6
                                            ADMITTING [1] - 195:1                    AMERICA [1] - 130:4
                                            ADVANCE [1] - 298:2                      AMOUNT [21] - 138:19, 146:6, 152:1,
                    A                       ADVERSE [1] - 285:6                       152:21, 155:3, 159:10, 159:11,
ABILITY [12] - 282:12, 282:20, 285:12,      AFFAIR [1] - 140:10                       159:13, 159:17, 159:24, 160:2,
 285:17, 285:20, 285:24, 285:25,            AFORESAID [1] - 303:8                     160:14, 172:23, 175:4, 175:10,
 286:4, 287:11, 288:14, 288:21, 291:4       AFTER [1] - 1:7                           184:17, 221:8, 244:23, 250:22, 255:6,
ABLE [1] - 285:6                            AFTERNOON [9] - 132:12, 135:2, 135:3,     272:17
ABREAST [1] - 162:22                         137:25, 138:1, 181:9, 182:8, 274:1,     AMPLE [1] - 272:7
ABUSE [3] - 289:8, 289:24, 290:3             287:12                                  AN [1] - 1:2
ACCEPT [3] - 182:14, 182:18, 273:9          AFTERWARDS [1] - 223:8                   AND [3] - 1:4, 1:7, 130:6
ACCESS [10] - 142:24, 171:23, 171:25,       AGE [1] - 271:11                         ANDRE [45] - 141:17, 141:18, 141:19,
 177:13, 177:15, 178:15, 178:18,            AGENT [19] - 223:3, 223:12, 223:15,       141:22, 143:8, 143:20, 144:1, 144:15,
 195:7, 259:17, 259:18                       223:18, 223:21, 224:15, 225:5, 226:2,    144:24, 146:15, 150:6, 150:20,
ACCESSED [1] - 259:14                        227:22, 228:2, 228:17, 228:23,           159:23, 161:20, 161:22, 165:25,
ACCOUNT [37] - 142:25, 143:2, 154:20,        242:16, 242:22, 242:25, 243:6,           166:19, 168:16, 170:6, 185:9, 187:20,
 158:4, 158:7, 158:8, 159:19, 161:5,         256:11, 256:22, 257:16                   188:1, 189:12, 189:18, 190:20,
 162:25, 171:24, 171:25, 172:1,             AGENT [6] - 207:18, 227:7, 227:11,        190:23, 191:4, 201:17, 201:19, 209:7,
 178:16, 185:5, 193:12, 193:23, 195:8,       279:23, 279:25, 292:20                   213:12, 220:19, 223:4, 223:12,
 198:1, 198:2, 198:8, 213:20, 214:9,        AGES [1] - 139:13                         223:15, 223:18, 224:6, 224:9, 224:13,
 214:24, 219:5, 219:14, 219:19, 221:5,      AGO [8] - 181:13, 185:19, 186:10,         224:21, 228:6, 229:6, 239:12, 241:1,
 222:8, 222:10, 222:11, 222:13,              195:4, 203:18, 205:8, 238:17, 238:19     273:19
 222:16, 222:20, 241:11, 251:3,             AGREE [15] - 175:18, 263:11, 263:19,     ANDRE [1] - 131:3
 259:17, 259:19                              263:25, 264:6, 264:13, 264:14,          ANN [2] - 292:1, 296:21
ACCOUNTS [4] - 142:3, 142:4, 177:15,         264:19, 264:20, 265:8, 275:6, 294:24,   ANN [1] - 130:18
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ANSWERED [6] - 195:15, 195:19,             ASSUMING [3] - 200:19, 223:6, 223:23      BASIS [16] - 140:24, 159:24, 177:23,
 210:3, 210:9, 210:10, 210:20              AT [2] - 132:1, 255:24                     182:15, 182:19, 195:20, 251:13,
ANSWERS [2] - 238:16, 292:14               ATLANTA [3] - 130:2, 130:25, 132:1         259:5, 259:23, 272:23, 277:20, 282:7,
ANTICIPATE [3] - 133:25, 134:1, 254:13     ATTACHED [2] - 194:10, 230:15              282:21, 284:1, 284:15, 290:22
ANTICS [1] - 141:1                         ATTACHED [1] - 1:6                        BE [2] - 1:3, 1:4
ANY [1] - 1:9                              ATTACHING [1] - 194:22                    BECAME [2] - 139:23, 279:22
ANYWAY [3] - 179:14, 281:18, 290:6         ATTACHING [1] - 1:9                       BECOME [3] - 165:25, 166:3, 166:14
ANYWAYS [1] - 147:17                       ATTACHMENT [5] - 192:25, 193:4,           BEFORE [1] - 130:10
APOLOGIZE [3] - 225:22, 231:24, 276:7       194:7, 247:22, 248:12                    BEG [6] - 163:13, 190:9, 191:10, 206:3,
APPEALS [1] - 282:5                        ATTACHMENTS [2] - 194:7, 194:14            223:17, 224:5
APPEAR [2] - 185:4, 251:2                  ATTENTION [1] - 183:19                    BEGIN [3] - 136:18, 258:16, 262:15
APPEARANCES [1] - 130:13                   ATTORNEY [13] - 133:12, 179:5, 180:7,     BEGINNING [1] - 208:21
APPEARING [1] - 301:6                       182:24, 185:8, 212:3, 212:8, 229:2,      BEHALF [3] - 130:14, 130:17, 130:20
APPLICABLE [1] - 274:6                      236:16, 237:23, 243:8, 254:4, 290:17     BEHALF [3] - 135:11, 179:18, 268:2
APPLICATION [40] - 141:6, 143:16,          ATTORNEY [1] - 185:14                     BEHIND [2] - 225:18, 278:21
 143:25, 144:4, 144:16, 145:19,            ATTORNEYS [2] - 237:23, 258:12            BELIEF [1] - 290:18
 146:15, 146:23, 148:1, 164:24,            ATTORNEYS [1] - 130:16                    BELIEVES [1] - 277:13
 189:16, 189:19, 190:4, 190:8, 190:15,     AUTHORITY [6] - 270:18, 278:7,            BELOW [4] - 156:16, 157:15, 173:18,
 191:5, 229:18, 230:15, 232:5, 232:7,       287:15, 290:2, 290:5, 290:11              207:1
 232:22, 232:24, 233:18, 233:21,           AUTHORIZATION [1] - 198:2                 BENEFIT [1] - 228:6
 233:24, 236:21, 237:9, 246:1, 246:3,      AUTO [9] - 153:7, 153:8, 153:9, 154:20,   BERNE [1] - 285:13
 246:8, 247:24, 248:7, 248:14, 249:3,       154:21, 154:23, 218:25, 219:25, 220:5    BEST [1] - 287:5
 249:5, 249:10, 250:2, 251:24, 252:2,      AVAILABLE [5] - 209:14, 209:15,           BETTER [1] - 252:25
 273:13                                     282:14, 286:5, 288:23                    BETWEEN [8] - 196:6, 207:23, 207:24,
APPLICATIONS [9] - 197:4, 234:24,          AVENUE [2] - 240:11, 243:18                273:8, 292:17, 298:6, 301:11, 301:14
 246:3, 246:14, 246:21, 247:3, 272:16,     AVERAGE [4] - 248:2, 248:17, 249:6,       BEYOND [5] - 197:5, 206:18, 260:10,
 273:10, 279:7                              249:13                                    260:20, 262:9
APPLIES [5] - 267:22, 268:7, 274:19,       AVOID [2] - 272:8, 273:6                  BIG [5] - 165:11, 205:11, 206:15, 241:11
 275:3, 290:2                              AWARE [4] - 135:10, 215:15, 215:16,       BILLS [1] - 198:23
APPLY [7] - 262:17, 262:24, 268:19,         270:18                                   BIT [23] - 139:18, 142:7, 144:14, 145:6,
 274:14, 274:19, 275:4, 289:25                                                        148:24, 148:25, 149:2, 149:22,
APPOINTMENT [2] - 220:24, 220:25                              B                       150:19, 151:7, 158:19, 161:17,
APPROPRIATE [4] - 272:12, 273:25,                                                     165:24, 179:1, 236:21, 239:11,
 276:23, 292:4                             BABASIJIBOMI [1] - 130:15
                                                                                      239:14, 239:22, 240:4, 260:15, 267:4,
APPROVAL [3] - 283:7, 287:20, 287:21       BACK-AND-FORTH [1] - 189:25
                                                                                      278:17, 292:23
APRIL [4] - 230:8, 231:8, 231:12, 232:12   BACKGROUND [7] - 149:3, 166:19,
                                                                                     BLANK [4] - 248:3, 248:18, 249:5,
ARE [1] - 1:8                               168:21, 168:22, 237:13, 238:12,
                                                                                      249:14
AREA [6] - 146:1, 163:9, 165:17, 197:5,     241:16
                                                                                     BLOCK [1] - 174:16
 206:5, 240:14                             BACKSTORY [1] - 273:19
                                                                                     BLUNT [1] - 273:23
AREAS [1] - 254:23                         BAD [1] - 188:19
                                                                                     BOARD [6] - 206:16, 206:17, 206:18,
ARGUE [2] - 261:1, 289:23                  BANK [39] - 142:3, 142:4, 142:22,
                                                                                      206:19, 207:2, 208:13
ARGUED [3] - 262:2, 288:12, 288:15          142:25, 162:25, 171:11, 171:24,
                                                                                     BORN [1] - 140:12
                                            172:13, 172:14, 173:20, 173:22,
ARGUMENT [11] - 260:11, 260:12,                                                      BORROW [2] - 173:9, 173:10
                                            177:15, 178:16, 191:8, 191:11,
 261:6, 261:23, 271:23, 277:2, 277:13,                                               BORROWER [1] - 250:2
                                            191:13, 191:15, 191:16, 191:17,
 277:17, 279:13, 280:12, 302:11                                                      BOTTOM [9] - 150:5, 154:18, 171:14,
                                            191:19, 192:7, 192:10, 192:12,
ARGUMENTATIVE [1] - 276:24                                                            183:19, 219:16, 228:16, 231:5,
                                            192:13, 192:20, 192:23, 193:6,
ARGUMENTS [4] - 260:4, 262:1,                                                         244:20, 250:16
                                            194:22, 195:2, 195:5, 195:11, 197:25,
 291:17, 293:22                                                                      BOULEE [1] - 130:10
                                            198:10, 208:16, 208:19, 218:25,
ARREST [1] - 279:21                                                                  BOULEE [5] - 135:10, 182:14, 182:18,
                                            220:22, 261:20, 295:6
ARRESTED [5] - 176:7, 266:20, 266:24,                                                 183:2, 185:12
                                           BANK [2] - 171:11, 172:13
 267:2                                                                               BOX [3] - 173:24, 174:1, 174:8
                                           BANK'S [1] - 198:11
ARTICULATED [2] - 254:22, 259:6                                                      BREACHED [1] - 294:19
                                           BANKING [1] - 241:18
ASSERTED [1] - 145:12                                                                BREAK [9] - 132:5, 211:20, 211:23,
                                           BANKS [4] - 218:22, 219:1, 279:8, 295:5
ASSIST [1] - 135:14                                                                   212:7, 252:16, 252:18, 255:20, 275:16
                                           BAPTISTE [5] - 296:16, 296:19, 297:11,
ASSISTANT [1] - 130:16                                                               BREAKS [1] - 258:14
                                            297:12, 300:1
ASSISTANT [1] - 185:13                                                               BRIDGE [1] - 298:23
                                           BASED [11] - 186:14, 189:20, 190:25,
ASSOCIATED [3] - 141:19, 169:1,                                                      BRIEF [1] - 254:15
                                            272:12, 273:22, 273:25, 274:2, 280:2,
 247:12                                                                              BRIEFLY [1] - 256:10
                                            290:17, 292:14
ASSUME [6] - 200:25, 202:21, 256:2,                                                  BRIEFS [1] - 290:25
                                           BASES [2] - 260:2, 261:5
 275:24, 287:2, 294:20
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BRING [10] - 133:21, 134:8, 134:14,          CAPABLE [1] - 189:4                        245:23, 250:6, 252:7, 256:9, 261:8,
 211:12, 212:9, 256:1, 256:3, 286:3,         CAPITAL [7] - 153:2, 156:5, 217:14,        264:2, 264:9, 267:21, 268:23, 270:11,
 286:4, 291:12                                217:18, 218:16, 220:10, 221:18            271:19, 279:17, 280:15, 280:17,
BROKE [1] - 180:9                            CAR [3] - 153:23, 175:23, 175:24           281:24, 282:23, 282:24, 284:9,
BROUGHT [2] - 232:6, 286:11                  CARD [7] - 142:13, 154:16, 154:21,         284:17, 285:17, 285:18, 285:25,
BUCKS [2] - 222:10, 222:12                    171:11, 175:3, 198:1, 213:2               287:11, 292:5, 297:6, 297:17, 297:21,
BUILDING [41] - 144:19, 150:15, 152:9,       CARDS [2] - 175:3, 198:25                  298:9, 299:4, 301:15
 156:22, 163:4, 164:4, 165:10, 165:13,       CARE [2] - 253:2, 266:21                  CHAIKEN [163] - 130:14, 133:10,
 165:17, 165:22, 166:2, 166:16,              CARLA [24] - 138:7, 138:23, 146:21,        134:10, 136:10, 145:8, 145:11, 147:7,
 167:11, 167:24, 168:6, 168:9, 168:15,        151:25, 152:24, 154:11, 155:18,           147:13, 155:21, 161:6, 164:14, 165:3,
 168:19, 170:8, 186:17, 186:18,               175:21, 178:2, 185:6, 224:6, 224:21,      180:25, 181:6, 183:24, 184:3, 184:13,
 204:16, 204:20, 204:22, 204:23,              228:7, 229:6, 234:17, 235:23, 235:25,     186:5, 186:9, 187:17, 187:19, 191:24,
 204:24, 205:1, 205:7, 205:12, 206:5,         241:6, 241:25, 249:22, 250:1, 251:4,      192:1, 192:14, 192:16, 192:18, 193:2,
 206:6, 206:16, 206:22, 209:1, 209:4,         251:16, 300:13                            193:3, 194:3, 194:5, 194:18, 194:20,
 214:13, 214:17, 215:6, 240:7, 240:15,       CARLA [2] - 130:6, 130:20                  195:18, 195:24, 195:25, 196:13,
 244:1                                       CASE [84] - 133:22, 135:11, 135:13,        196:17, 197:6, 197:9, 200:23, 205:16,
BUILDINGS [2] - 163:14, 163:17                136:15, 136:16, 138:6, 139:24,            205:18, 205:22, 205:23, 206:12,
BUILT [1] - 260:8                             141:20, 144:12, 176:8, 179:2, 181:10,     206:13, 208:4, 208:9, 210:6, 210:15,
BURDEN [1] - 259:10                           209:14, 209:22, 254:14, 254:21,           210:18, 210:23, 210:25, 211:13,
BUREAUS [1] - 197:21                          255:6, 255:13, 255:17, 255:22, 257:6,     211:19, 212:21, 212:25, 213:6, 213:8,
BURIED [1] - 272:8                            258:1, 258:10, 258:15, 258:20,            213:22, 213:24, 214:5, 214:7, 216:15,
BUSINESS [24] - 142:13, 149:10,               258:21, 259:15, 259:22, 260:8,            216:16, 220:13, 220:15, 225:22,
 150:12, 162:7, 164:4, 176:19, 176:22,        261:15, 262:2, 267:23, 268:20,            225:23, 229:21, 229:25, 230:4, 230:6,
 188:5, 200:11, 201:8, 201:20, 203:16,        270:13, 273:5, 273:24, 274:6, 274:7,      230:13, 230:14, 230:23, 231:1,
 203:20, 215:12, 215:19, 222:1,               275:3, 275:4, 276:14, 276:21, 276:25,     231:15, 231:17, 234:20, 243:16,
 222:11, 222:13, 238:3, 246:4, 248:8,         277:4, 277:5, 277:14, 277:22, 278:2,      245:11, 245:18, 245:20, 245:22,
 248:22, 272:19, 272:20                       278:5, 278:7, 278:11, 280:19, 280:25,     245:25, 246:12, 246:13, 247:5, 247:6,
BUSINESSES [11] - 176:23, 200:13,             281:7, 281:10, 281:11, 282:2, 282:9,      247:20, 247:21, 248:5, 248:6, 248:10,
 200:20, 200:24, 216:3, 216:6, 246:3,         282:16, 282:17, 282:18, 283:3, 283:9,     248:11, 248:20, 248:21, 248:25,
 246:15, 246:17, 246:21, 249:17               284:10, 284:17, 284:18, 285:7,            249:2, 249:8, 249:9, 250:5, 252:9,
BUSINESSPEOPLE [1] - 237:19                   285:22, 286:4, 286:23, 288:6, 288:9,      254:15, 254:20, 255:23, 256:10,
BUSINESSWOMAN [3] - 200:9, 234:10,            288:10, 288:11, 288:12, 289:23,           256:21, 257:11, 257:23, 258:1, 261:9,
 237:13                                       296:5, 297:24, 303:8                      262:18, 263:9, 263:12, 263:17, 264:3,
                                             CASES [18] - 262:3, 270:15, 271:11,        264:10, 264:16, 264:22, 265:6,
BUY [1] - 208:17
                                              276:25, 277:23, 277:25, 281:5, 281:6,     266:15, 267:9, 267:22, 268:24,
BUYING [3] - 170:8, 207:21, 208:11
                                              281:13, 285:3, 285:4, 286:5, 286:14,      269:11, 270:12, 272:4, 274:11, 275:7,
BY [92] - 1:4, 1:6, 130:23, 137:24, 142:9,
                                              288:7, 291:6, 291:14, 302:9, 302:10       276:1, 276:5, 276:7, 276:10, 276:17,
 143:6, 143:13, 143:24, 145:14, 146:2,
                                             CASH [4] - 157:5, 175:9, 216:21, 217:24    276:19, 279:18, 281:1, 281:25, 282:2,
 146:11, 147:9, 147:20, 148:10,
                                             CASHIER'S [13] - 152:7, 152:11,            282:25, 287:14, 287:18, 288:4, 288:6,
 149:23, 151:10, 152:15, 154:3, 156:1,
                                              152:16, 153:3, 153:15, 154:15, 156:6,     291:16, 293:21, 293:24, 294:5, 294:9,
 158:20, 158:25, 159:6, 159:12,
                                              156:14, 156:16, 156:19, 216:20,           294:14, 294:21, 294:24, 295:9,
 160:12, 161:8, 164:18, 165:8, 165:16,
                                              216:23, 221:16                            295:21, 297:18, 298:10, 299:1,
 165:21, 167:9, 167:21, 168:4, 168:13,
                                             CATEGORICALLY [1] - 289:16                 299:17, 300:10, 301:2, 301:17
 169:13, 170:5, 171:2, 171:9, 171:15,
                                             CAUSED [4] - 184:16, 202:16, 244:21,      CHAIKEN'S [1] - 278:6
 172:9, 172:19, 173:1, 173:19, 174:7,
                                              250:20                                   CHANCE [4] - 135:17, 170:10, 275:24,
 174:17, 175:16, 176:5, 178:4, 178:13,
                                             CAUTION [1] - 266:21                       296:2
 181:6, 184:3, 184:13, 186:9, 187:19,
                                             CAVEATS [1] - 185:13                      CHANGE [8] - 199:17, 199:18, 199:21,
 192:1, 192:18, 193:3, 194:5, 194:20,
 195:25, 196:17, 197:9, 200:23,              CC'D [1] - 249:22                          238:16, 268:11, 296:8, 297:2, 302:1
 205:18, 205:23, 206:13, 208:9,              CELLPHONE [2] - 227:9, 227:12             CHANGED [4] - 186:19, 295:6, 296:20,
 210:25, 212:25, 213:8, 213:24, 214:7,                                                  302:10
                                             CENTER [1] - 204:7
 216:16, 220:15, 225:23, 230:6,                                                        CHANGES [2] - 260:4, 301:23
                                             CENTER [1] - 251:5
 230:14, 231:1, 232:4, 235:1, 236:24,                                                  CHANGING [1] - 236:3
                                             CEREBRAL [1] - 188:8
 243:16, 246:13, 247:6, 247:21, 248:6,                                                 CHARACTER [1] - 264:17
                                             CERTAIN [1] - 201:4
 248:11, 248:21, 249:2, 249:9, 250:9,                                                  CHARACTERIZE [1] - 280:13
                                             CERTAINLY [1] - 181:3
 256:21, 257:15                                                                        CHARGE [11] - 169:7, 170:1, 265:14,
                                             CERTIFY [1] - 303:6
                                                                                        273:21, 273:25, 275:11, 281:18,
                                             CETERA [1] - 284:20
                                                                                        296:1, 296:4, 296:24, 297:6
                    C                        CHAIKEN [47] - 133:15, 136:9, 165:2,
                                                                                       CHARGED [16] - 138:9, 138:10, 181:10,
CABELA'S [1] - 235:8                          184:2, 186:4, 187:15, 195:17, 210:5,
                                                                                        254:25, 255:1, 255:4, 256:25, 257:6,
CALENDAR [1] - 283:9                          210:14, 210:16, 211:17, 212:19,
                                                                                        257:8, 257:16, 278:24, 296:11,
                                              234:9, 236:7, 237:11, 238:10, 238:15,
CANNOT [3] - 280:1, 280:3, 282:21
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 296:14, 296:25, 297:1, 297:3            CLOSINGS [1] - 258:12                      CONDITIONAL [1] - 281:4
CHARGES [1] - 262:10                     CLUB [1] - 235:8                           CONDUCT [1] - 255:3
CHARGING [1] - 300:11                    CM/ECF [2] - 1:3, 1:5                      CONFERENCE [2] - 135:18, 294:12
CHARLES [4] - 240:10, 240:12, 243:18     CO [15] - 141:24, 172:5, 254:18, 264:23,   CONFESSION [1] - 266:18
CHART [2] - 295:10, 295:14                265:1, 268:2, 268:5, 279:22, 279:24,      CONFIRM [1] - 206:9
CHASE [1] - 222:16                        280:1, 280:3, 287:1, 287:3, 287:7         CONFIRMATION [1] - 220:16
CHASE [1] - 142:23                       CO-CONSPIRATOR [4] - 279:22,               CONNECTED [3] - 228:3, 229:4, 242:22
CHECK [43] - 149:20, 149:24, 150:1,       279:24, 280:1, 280:3                      CONNECTION [4] - 228:5, 256:25,
 150:2, 150:4, 151:1, 151:8, 151:12,     CO-DEFENDANT [3] - 264:23, 265:1,           257:6, 257:9
 151:14, 151:24, 152:3, 152:7, 152:11,    268:2                                     CONSIDER [5] - 141:4, 253:25, 266:21,
 152:16, 152:19, 152:23, 153:3,          CO-DEFENDANTS [4] - 268:5, 287:1,           280:5, 289:24
 153:16, 154:7, 154:15, 154:18, 156:5,    287:3, 287:7                              CONSIDERED [5] - 282:11, 282:19,
 156:6, 156:16, 156:19, 160:13,          CO-DEFENDANTS' [1] - 254:18                 284:20, 288:8, 288:20
 169:11, 169:14, 173:25, 175:10,         CO-FOUNDERS [1] - 172:5                    CONSIDERING [1] - 254:20
 213:9, 213:13, 213:17, 213:19, 214:5,   CO-ORGANIZERS [1] - 172:5                  CONSISTENT [1] - 301:3
 214:8, 215:17, 216:10, 216:23, 217:1,   CO-OWNERS [1] - 141:24                     CONSOLIDATED [1] - 262:14
 217:17, 219:24, 261:18                  COGNITIVE [1] - 189:1                      CONSPIRACY [2] - 279:25, 296:20
CHECKS [12] - 154:8, 156:4, 156:14,      COLLEGE [1] - 166:17                       CONSPIRATOR [4] - 279:22, 279:24,
 216:21, 218:16, 218:17, 218:19,         COMBINED [2] - 298:15, 298:19               280:1, 280:3
 218:22, 220:7, 220:9, 221:16, 221:18    COMFORT [3] - 252:16, 255:20, 275:16       CONSTITUTE [1] - 289:13
CHECKSTUBSINFO@GMAIL.COM [1]             COMING [11] - 151:8, 161:4, 214:16,        CONSTITUTIONAL [1] - 288:19
 - 196:2                                  221:23, 222:24, 241:13, 242:10,           CONSTRUCTION [7] - 150:17, 151:18,
CHILDREN [5] - 139:8, 139:11, 140:12,     251:17, 268:12, 275:11, 301:9              152:8, 168:22, 186:18, 189:8, 205:5
 140:15, 140:19                          COMMENT [1] - 295:19                       CONSTRUCTIVE [1] - 260:12
CHOOSE [1] - 253:23                      COMMENTARY [2] - 276:24, 280:20            CONSULT [1] - 135:17
CHOOSED [1] - 211:11                     COMMITTED [1] - 182:2                      CONSULTATION [1] - 253:6
CHOSE [1] - 286:12                       COMMUNICATED [1] - 253:11                  CONSULTING [6] - 148:24, 149:7,
CIRCUIT [4] - 282:10, 282:19, 284:19,    COMMUNICATING [1] - 293:13                  150:12, 169:17, 215:10, 215:18
 288:20                                  COMMUNICATION [1] - 273:11                 CONTACT [1] - 143:19
CIRCUIT [21] - 270:16, 272:11, 276:13,   COMMUNICATIONS [12] - 207:17,              CONTENDS [4] - 279:5, 279:6, 279:10,
 276:21, 277:23, 277:24, 278:5,           207:20, 207:24, 208:10, 208:16,            280:23
 279:15, 280:19, 282:4, 282:5, 282:16,    210:4, 232:12, 232:13, 232:15, 236:8,     CONTENT [1] - 155:14
 282:17, 282:18, 288:9, 288:10,           292:22, 293:1                             CONTINUE [2] - 156:7, 212:19
 288:11, 288:17                          COMPANIES [3] - 162:4, 200:15, 201:1       CONTINUED [5] - 212:1, 212:16,
CIRCUIT'S [1] - 269:19                   COMPANY [27] - 141:12, 141:13,              255:25, 275:23, 302:14
CIRCUITS [2] - 288:8, 289:7               141:15, 141:24, 148:12, 148:20,           CONTRACT [1] - 238:6
CIRCUMSTANCES [6] - 267:23, 283:3,        148:23, 149:17, 150:2, 150:4, 151:12,     CONTRACTOR [1] - 168:18
 283:13, 283:19, 284:2, 289:9             151:18, 151:19, 161:23, 162:1,            CONTRACTORS [1] - 169:5
CIRCUMSTANTIAL [1] - 260:9                169:24, 172:2, 175:18, 184:17,            CONTRACTS [1] - 201:2
CITATIONS [2] - 273:22, 274:4             208:17, 244:22, 247:10, 247:13,           CONTROL [5] - 270:25, 285:8, 288:13,
CITE [1] - 1:5                            250:21, 295:6                              288:20, 289:5
CITE [2] - 276:15, 277:23                COMPANY'S [1] - 143:16                     CONTROLLED [2] - 185:5, 251:3
CITED [2] - 277:25, 288:7                COMPARE [1] - 298:7                        CONTROVERSY [1] - 299:12
CITES [2] - 282:3, 282:16                COMPLETED [1] - 238:4                      CONVERSATION [10] - 134:2, 212:8,
CITING [1] - 278:6                       COMPONENT [2] - 278:13, 285:11              226:10, 227:8, 233:9, 241:6, 242:25,
CITY [1] - 163:6                         COMPUTER [9] - 177:3, 177:8, 178:9,         294:18, 298:22, 298:25
CLARIFICATION [2] - 183:7, 185:8          178:14, 178:18, 243:18, 276:10,           CONVERSATIONS [1] - 290:17
CLEAR [13] - 221:14, 244:9, 253:12,       276:19                                    CONVICT [1] - 270:4
 255:7, 258:18, 265:20, 268:22,          COMPUTERS [5] - 177:13, 177:15,            CONVICTION [1] - 264:4
 290:16, 290:18, 290:19, 290:24,          177:19, 177:22, 178:24                    COOPERATION [2] - 228:6, 229:5
 297:4, 299:22                           CONCEAL [9] - 185:3, 250:1, 250:25,        COPIED [4] - 228:10, 228:17, 235:23,
CLERK [1] - 137:13                        260:7, 269:24, 269:25, 270:24, 271:4       236:9
CLERK [1] - 284:18                       CONCEALMENT [5] - 269:8, 269:20,           COPIES [2] - 205:9, 235:6
CLIENT [4] - 134:2, 135:11, 260:5,        269:21, 270:5, 270:22                     COPY [4] - 210:9, 293:25, 294:9, 295:13
 268:17                                  CONCEPT [1] - 280:10                       CORPORATE [1] - 200:15
CLOSE [2] - 152:3, 211:18                CONCERN [2] - 266:22, 300:2                CORRECT [170] - 133:4, 133:5, 135:18,
CLOSED [3] - 216:3, 258:10, 258:17       CONCERNED [4] - 284:21, 292:14,             137:16, 146:16, 147:18, 147:19,
CLOSELY [2] - 188:4, 201:20               298:7, 302:12                              150:24, 155:4, 157:25, 158:16, 163:2,
CLOSING [5] - 261:2, 277:13, 280:12,     CONCLUDE [2] - 272:7, 289:19                164:7, 164:8, 164:25, 166:9, 178:15,
 291:17, 293:22                          CONCLUDES [1] - 258:1
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 179:7, 179:10, 181:11, 181:20,           180:24, 181:1, 181:3, 184:1, 184:11,     198:20, 198:23, 198:25, 199:3, 199:8,
 181:21, 181:23, 181:24, 181:25,          186:4, 186:8, 186:25, 187:14, 187:18,    233:6, 246:20, 247:17
 182:4, 182:6, 182:11, 183:14, 184:25,    195:17, 195:22, 196:16, 197:8,          CREATED [4] - 192:4, 232:23, 235:3,
 185:6, 185:10, 185:11, 185:17,           209:25, 210:5, 210:14, 210:16,           255:2
 185:21, 186:13, 188:10, 188:15,          210:19, 211:15, 211:21, 212:2, 212:6,   CREDENTIALS [2] - 226:21, 227:4
 190:4, 190:11, 190:17, 191:6, 192:2,     212:12, 212:18, 230:3, 231:16,          CREDIBILITY [2] - 196:15, 197:6
 192:8, 192:11, 193:12, 196:3, 197:11,    231:20, 231:22, 234:25, 245:16,         CREDIT [6] - 154:16, 154:21, 175:3,
 197:13, 197:17, 197:21, 198:2, 198:5,    245:19, 245:21, 245:23, 246:9,           197:21, 198:1
 198:12, 198:21, 198:23, 199:1, 199:3,    246:11, 252:7, 252:11, 252:14,          CRIMINAL [2] - 257:17, 270:13
 199:9, 199:15, 199:19, 199:22,           252:22, 252:24, 253:2, 253:5, 253:9,    CROSS [2] - 131:4, 181:5
 201:11, 202:23, 203:5, 203:8, 203:13,    253:16, 253:20, 253:23, 254:3, 254:6,   CROSS [5] - 180:24, 211:18, 257:12,
 206:14, 213:10, 213:15, 213:20,          254:10, 254:17, 255:9, 255:11,           292:15, 298:23
 214:1, 215:10, 215:13, 215:15,           255:15, 255:19, 256:1, 256:5, 256:8,    CROSS-EXAMINATION [1] - 292:15
 216:18, 216:22, 216:24, 217:2, 217:4,    256:13, 257:12, 257:24, 258:3, 258:9,   CROSS-EXAMINATION [1] - 181:5
 217:7, 217:15, 217:19, 217:20,           258:25, 259:24, 261:7, 262:5, 262:20,   CROSS-EXAMINATION........................
 217:25, 218:6, 218:9, 218:10, 219:1,     262:25, 263:4, 263:7, 263:11, 263:13,    ..181 [1] - 131:4
 219:3, 219:7, 219:14, 220:10, 220:11,    263:16, 263:19, 263:21, 263:23,         CROSSED [1] - 292:23
 220:17, 220:20, 220:23, 221:2,           263:25, 264:6, 264:9, 264:15, 264:21,   CRR [2] - 130:24, 303:15
 221:17, 222:1, 222:19, 223:5, 223:8,     265:5, 265:8, 265:11, 265:18, 265:24,
                                                                                  CUELLAR [1] - 269:19
 223:10, 223:13, 223:19, 223:22,          266:3, 266:6, 266:10, 266:16, 267:12,
                                                                                  CULPABILITY [1] - 255:3
 224:1, 224:4, 224:7, 224:16, 225:6,      267:16, 268:8, 268:14, 268:21,
                                                                                  CUT [1] - 198:15
 225:8, 226:11, 226:18, 227:23,           268:25, 269:2, 269:4, 269:12, 270:6,
 228:18, 228:21, 229:6, 229:12, 230:8,    270:11, 271:6, 271:9, 271:16, 271:18,
 230:16, 230:19, 231:6, 231:13, 232:8,    271:24, 272:24, 273:23, 274:13,                             D
 239:15, 243:24, 244:17, 244:23,          274:21, 275:10, 275:24, 276:2, 276:6,   DAILY [5] - 150:12, 150:16, 189:4,
 245:5, 245:7, 246:15, 246:18, 246:22,    276:9, 276:15, 276:18, 277:21, 278:4,    215:12, 215:18
 246:25, 247:3, 247:8, 247:13, 247:18,    279:17, 280:15, 281:2, 281:19,          DALLAS [2] - 221:1, 239:18
 247:22, 248:8, 248:12, 248:23, 249:3,    281:22, 282:1, 282:23, 284:7, 284:24,   DARRELL [72] - 144:9, 144:10, 144:11,
 249:11, 249:17, 249:20, 250:3, 251:6,    285:16, 286:16, 286:20, 287:16,          144:15, 144:25, 150:23, 173:6, 173:8,
 251:14, 253:8, 253:14, 263:2, 263:3,     287:23, 288:5, 290:1, 290:25, 291:20,    190:3, 190:5, 190:7, 190:16, 190:19,
 266:14, 268:23, 268:25, 269:2, 270:2,    291:24, 292:5, 292:10, 293:19,           190:21, 191:5, 191:8, 191:14, 192:10,
 287:16, 295:9, 297:9, 297:13, 297:15,    293:23, 294:3, 294:7, 294:11, 294:19,    192:21, 192:24, 193:5, 193:7, 193:23,
 297:17, 299:24, 303:7                    294:22, 295:1, 295:4, 295:18, 295:23,    193:25, 194:10, 194:13, 194:22,
CORRECTLY [3] - 133:12, 254:4,            296:7, 297:4, 297:10, 297:15, 297:17,    194:23, 195:2, 195:11, 214:19,
 286:18                                   297:19, 298:14, 299:3, 299:9, 299:22,    223:25, 224:9, 225:14, 225:19,
CORRESPOND [1] - 295:10                   300:6, 300:18, 300:22, 301:12,           225:24, 227:18, 228:5, 228:10,
CORROBORATE [1] - 210:7                   301:15, 301:22, 302:2, 303:3, 303:15     228:17, 229:9, 230:7, 230:10, 231:2,
COUDRIET [2] - 130:24, 303:15            COURT [18] - 274:12, 274:18, 276:25,      232:13, 232:14, 232:15, 232:21,
COUNSEL [10] - 133:7, 135:13, 135:14,     277:4, 277:8, 277:18, 280:22, 282:5,     233:2, 233:5, 240:25, 241:15, 241:21,
 136:3, 252:15, 252:17, 253:11,           284:13, 285:2, 288:17, 289:6, 289:11,    242:6, 242:12, 246:6, 246:15, 246:20,
 284:25, 299:2                            289:19, 293:21, 295:11, 298:11           246:24, 247:7, 247:24, 248:7, 249:17,
COUNT [3] - 138:15, 159:24, 259:13       COURT [7] - 138:3, 145:11, 182:21,        249:23, 251:5, 273:8, 273:20, 290:20,
COUNT [8] - 159:25, 259:16, 260:15,       209:23, 277:4, 277:6, 287:17             292:22, 293:1, 293:3
 261:3, 279:9, 296:14, 300:11, 300:16    COURT'S [2] - 269:18, 274:17             DATE [25] - 142:14, 146:3, 151:11,
COUNTS [9] - 138:9, 138:13, 259:5,       COURTHOUSE [2] - 185:20, 186:10           152:3, 152:18, 154:8, 156:8, 156:11,
 259:20, 260:2, 278:24, 296:11,          COURTROOM [8] - 134:15, 134:20,           156:13, 157:19, 159:5, 159:7, 159:15,
 296:25, 301:19                           136:22, 211:24, 212:17, 252:21,          171:19, 202:5, 203:25, 224:17,
COUNTS [2] - 296:14                       256:4, 258:24                            224:19, 225:17, 235:17, 236:4,
COUPLE [9] - 142:15, 167:15, 168:17,     COURTROOM [1] - 137:13                    257:17, 257:18
 170:24, 177:1, 203:18, 236:18,          COUSIN [15] - 141:17, 141:22, 143:7,     DATED [2] - 172:21, 231:8
 252:15, 262:23                           144:23, 150:2, 150:4, 158:7, 159:18,    DATES [3] - 142:15, 146:9, 176:7
COURSE [2] - 184:11, 258:20               159:23, 161:20, 173:12, 188:4,          DAVID [2] - 279:21, 279:24
COURT [209] - 1:4, 1:7, 1:10, 130:1,      201:17, 201:24, 241:1                   DAVID [1] - 130:20
 130:24, 130:25, 132:1, 132:2, 132:7,    COUSIN'S [1] - 150:7                     DAYS [2] - 177:1, 177:2
 132:11, 132:21, 133:2, 133:6, 133:11,   COVERED [1] - 280:10                     DAYS [1] - 1:5
 133:15, 133:20, 133:24, 134:3, 134:6,   COVERS [1] - 266:6                       DC [2] - 282:18, 285:22
 134:8, 134:13, 134:16, 134:21,          CRACKER [4] - 225:24, 228:13, 228:20,    DEAL [5] - 150:13, 173:12, 200:20,
 134:24, 135:4, 135:9, 135:20, 136:2,     229:8                                    200:24, 278:18
 136:7, 136:9, 136:11, 136:20, 136:23,   CRAZY [1] - 209:5                        DEALS [1] - 201:3
 137:5, 137:11, 147:15, 155:23, 165:5,   CREATE [11] - 192:7, 197:16, 197:19,     DEALT [1] - 138:19
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DEANA [2] - 137:9, 179:7                 DEPICT [1] - 164:10                      DISTRICT [3] - 270:20, 277:4, 277:6
DECADES [1] - 200:11                     DEPOSIT [5] - 148:5, 151:2, 173:2,       DIVISION [1] - 130:2
DECIDE [5] - 132:22, 161:22, 267:6,       173:15, 213:25                          DIVORCE [4] - 140:2, 140:4, 140:25,
 267:17, 287:7                           DEPOSITED [2] - 152:4, 213:19             202:17
DECIDED [10] - 133:12, 189:8, 214:22,    DEPOSITS [4] - 146:1, 172:18, 172:21,    DIVORCED [4] - 139:16, 139:19,
 241:4, 241:5, 253:6, 254:8, 283:12,      241:11                                   176:11, 176:14
 286:25                                  DEPTH [1] - 167:5                        DIVULGE [1] - 166:12
DECIDES [1] - 289:12                     DEPUTY [1] - 137:13                      DIXON [13] - 281:23, 283:2, 283:6,
DECISION [15] - 132:4, 132:8, 135:15,    DERIVED [1] - 261:12                      283:12, 283:15, 283:19, 284:3,
 253:7, 253:21, 254:3, 254:6, 269:18,    DESCRIBE [1] - 298:22                     285:15, 285:25, 286:3, 286:22, 287:8,
 269:19, 279:16, 287:3, 288:7, 289:3,    DESCRIBING [1] - 278:19                   302:7
 289:15, 291:7                           DESIGN [2] - 162:7, 271:2                DIXON'S [2] - 290:17, 290:19
DEFENDANT [19] - 209:21, 263:10,         DESIGNED [4] - 185:2, 250:25, 270:24,    DOCKET [1] - 299:17
 263:18, 264:18, 264:23, 265:1, 267:5,    271:3                                   DOCKET [2] - 1:6, 130:5
 268:2, 270:4, 270:23, 274:15, 276:23,   DESIRED [2] - 277:7, 280:21              DOCTOR'S [1] - 197:16
 277:1, 280:20, 288:12, 288:15, 289:1,   DESK [1] - 177:7                         DOCTORED [1] - 209:11
 289:22, 289:23                          DESKTOP [2] - 177:9, 178:9               DOCUMENT [31] - 142:10, 142:18,
DEFENDANT [10] - 179:3, 184:15,          DESPERATE [3] - 228:13, 228:21,           142:20, 146:12, 154:1, 154:4, 158:21,
 244:21, 250:19, 296:11, 296:13,          229:8                                    158:24, 159:1, 159:10, 159:15,
 296:16, 296:17, 297:7, 300:13           DETAIL [2] - 215:5, 287:9                 160:17, 171:7, 171:10, 171:17,
DEFENDANT [12] - 130:17, 130:20,         DETAINED [3] - 266:20, 266:24, 267:2      171:21, 172:10, 178:1, 193:25,
 132:20, 133:1, 133:5, 133:14, 253:15,   DIAGNOSED [1] - 188:7                     194:10, 198:10, 200:4, 228:15,
 253:19, 253:22, 254:2, 254:5, 254:9     DIFFERENT [7] - 147:16, 260:25,           230:18, 233:16, 233:17, 234:18,
DEFENDANT'S [2] - 167:7, 169:11           270:13, 278:10, 279:13, 286:24,          235:10, 235:13, 236:1, 236:5
DEFENDANT'S [2] - 275:1, 277:7            300:25                                  DOCUMENT [1] - 1:10
DEFENDANT-FRIENDLY [2] - 276:23,         DIFFERENTLY [1] - 147:16                 DOCUMENT [2] - 262:13, 299:15
 280:20                                  DIRECT [2] - 183:19, 260:4               DOCUMENTATION [2] - 191:13, 198:3
DEFENDANTS [1] - 296:19                  DIRECT [2] - 131:4, 137:23               DOCUMENTS [17] - 164:6, 190:17,
DEFENDANTS [11] - 138:6, 262:10,         DIRECTIVES [1] - 273:8                    192:4, 195:16, 196:2, 196:14, 196:19,
 266:19, 268:5, 287:1, 287:3, 287:7,     DIRECTLY [1] - 293:3                      199:8, 199:25, 209:10, 235:2, 235:3,
 291:18, 291:21, 296:4, 296:11           DISABLED [1] - 188:14                     236:6, 236:7, 236:15, 247:17, 299:18
DEFENDANTS [1] - 130:8                   DISAGREE [3] - 185:13, 185:17, 299:14    DOG [1] - 281:20
DEFENDANTS' [2] - 254:18, 276:3          DISAGREEMENT [1] - 183:3                 DOLLAR [3] - 152:1, 152:21, 172:23
DEFENSE [20] - 137:17, 170:4, 255:6,     DISAGREEMENTS [1] - 183:7                DOLLARS [1] - 200:18
 256:7, 259:15, 262:3, 268:3, 276:3,     DISBURSED [1] - 145:19                   DOMESTIC [1] - 159:3
 276:22, 280:2, 280:9, 280:11, 281:10,   DISCRETION [3] - 289:9, 289:14,          DONE [13] - 134:25, 152:8, 162:12,
 283:15, 284:6, 287:2, 291:14, 299:2,     289:24                                   173:12, 211:10, 220:7, 224:23,
 300:19                                                                            234:19, 238:1, 266:4, 283:13, 298:7,
                                         DISCUSS [11] - 134:25, 147:25, 161:1,
DEFENSE [1] - 205:19                                                               299:8
                                          167:2, 252:15, 252:17, 265:5, 265:12,
DEFER [1] - 268:10                        265:18, 269:10, 296:2                   DOUBT [5] - 193:17, 193:22, 260:10,
DEFINE [2] - 269:20, 269:23              DISCUSSED [8] - 135:21, 145:3,            260:20, 262:10
DEFINITELY [2] - 180:14, 180:15           160:23, 166:23, 212:6, 254:3, 254:6,    DOWN [32] - 142:14, 148:7, 149:20,
DEFINITION [1] - 260:23                   294:11                                   151:7, 153:11, 154:18, 158:19, 159:9,
DELETE [5] - 265:8, 297:7, 297:10,       DISCUSSING [2] - 150:20, 224:9            169:11, 169:12, 173:17, 173:18,
 297:12, 300:11                          DISCUSSION [8] - 134:7, 145:15,           174:19, 175:15, 178:11, 180:9,
DELETED [1] - 296:12                      150:20, 161:9, 212:14, 262:11, 263:6,    206:25, 207:1, 210:22, 212:23, 213:7,
DELETING [1] - 268:22                     265:12                                   216:1, 219:16, 231:5, 237:3, 251:13,
DELIBERATE [5] - 272:4, 272:13,          DISCUSSIONS [3] - 146:25, 166:25,         252:12, 257:24, 275:15, 285:23, 303:7
 272:22, 273:24, 298:3                    233:23                                  DOWNWARD [1] - 296:6
DELIBERATE [1] - 274:24                  DISGUISE [2] - 269:24, 270:25            DOZENS [1] - 287:1
DELIBERATELY [1] - 273:15                DISK [1] - 245:17                        DRAFT [1] - 224:12
DELIBERATES [1] - 280:6                  DISPUTE [2] - 195:20, 270:2              DRAFTED [1] - 197:24
DELIBERATIONS [7] - 254:1, 258:16,       DISPUTES [1] - 298:17                    DRINKS [2] - 167:15, 203:18
 258:17, 258:19, 277:10, 280:6, 294:2    DISRESPECT [1] - 195:12                  DRIVE [2] - 245:17, 245:18
DEMAND [1] - 300:7                       DISRESPECTFUL [3] - 207:8, 207:25,       DRIVER'S [2] - 197:13, 236:4
DENIED [2] - 285:14, 292:20               209:19                                  DRIVEWAY [2] - 218:2, 218:5
DENY [3] - 211:16, 262:6, 285:16         DISTRIBUTED [1] - 265:21                 DRIVING [1] - 248:14
DEPARTMENT [3] - 283:8, 285:19,          DISTRICT [6] - 130:1, 130:1, 130:10,     DUI [2] - 248:8, 248:15
 287:19                                   130:25, 303:3, 303:4                    DULY [2] - 135:8, 137:20
DEPENDENT [1] - 288:25                                                            DURATION [1] - 148:21
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DURING [14] - 139:24, 148:20, 168:5,     ENTERTAINMENT [1] - 278:14                       EXAMINATION................257 [1] - 131:9
 176:25, 226:10, 229:15, 238:11,         ENTIRE [1] - 297:8                               EXAMINATION...............250 [1] - 131:6
 238:16, 245:8, 246:25, 259:15,          ENTIRELY [1] - 268:12                            EXAMINATION...............256 [1] - 131:8
 259:17, 290:6, 293:13                   ENTIRETY [3] - 227:8, 281:5, 302:10              EXAMINED [2] - 137:21, 256:17
DURRETT [4] - 132:15, 284:22, 287:24,    ENTITIES [2] - 238:3, 295:10                     EXAMPLE [2] - 201:1, 250:19
 290:3                                   ENTITLE [1] - 289:22                             EXCEPTION [1] - 289:7
DURRETT [4] - 130:18, 285:1, 286:2,      ENTITLED [4] - 159:1, 277:1, 278:1,              EXCEPTIONS [1] - 289:25
 287:25                                   288:3                                           EXCERPTS [1] - 302:8
DUTY [1] - 209:21                        ENTRY [1] - 1:6                                  EXCHANGE [1] - 265:1
DYSFUNCTION [1] - 188:8                  ENTRY [5] - 157:15, 172:20, 174:19,              EXCHANGED [2] - 209:6, 227:22
                                          175:17, 299:18                                  EXCULPATORY [1] - 289:10
                  E                      ER [1] - 252:19                                  EXCUSE [6] - 156:17, 183:22, 197:17,
                                         ERR [1] - 277:5                                   200:21, 250:18, 252:23
E-MAIL [29] - 190:10, 192:2, 192:22,
                                         ESCAPED [1] - 255:2                              EXCUSED [3] - 252:13, 252:23, 257:25
 193:4, 193:11, 193:12, 193:18,
                                         ESPECIALLY [4] - 177:21, 272:5,                  EXHIBIT [7] - 151:13, 154:1, 160:13,
 193:23, 193:24, 194:1, 194:2, 194:6,
 194:9, 194:12, 194:21, 195:8, 195:10,    273:21, 293:13                                   160:18, 169:9, 170:4, 251:25
 230:7, 231:25, 232:10, 232:20,          ESQ [6] - 130:14, 130:15, 130:15,                EXHIBIT [32] - 142:7, 143:12, 143:15,
 235:17, 235:23, 247:7, 249:23, 266:1,    130:18, 130:18, 130:20                           145:25, 146:13, 148:6, 149:20, 151:6,
 273:5, 273:11                           ESSENTIAL [1] - 269:21                            158:18, 160:15, 167:8, 168:10,
E-MAILED [6] - 173:21, 190:7, 193:23,    ESSENTIALLY [2] - 237:15, 281:9                   169:11, 170:3, 170:25, 172:8, 178:1,
 195:10, 231:2, 265:16                   ESTABLISH [2] - 254:24, 259:11                    191:25, 192:16, 194:12, 194:19,
E-MAILING [1] - 193:15                   ESTABLISHED [3] - 238:23, 272:14,                 205:19, 205:22, 210:24, 212:23,
                                          279:1                                            213:7, 220:14, 229:22, 230:25,
E-MAILS [2] - 196:6, 210:12
                                         ESTATE [14] - 161:18, 182:10, 203:8,              231:24, 237:1
EARLY [2] - 223:4, 258:22
                                          205:9, 207:18, 210:10, 217:10,                  EXHIBITS [2] - 163:21, 245:12
EARNINGS [1] - 199:9
                                          217:18, 226:13, 228:24, 242:22,                 EXHIBITS [16] - 148:9, 163:22, 164:1,
EASIER [1] - 301:25
                                          243:10, 243:23, 244:5                            170:25, 229:22, 245:12, 245:21,
EAT [1] - 239:21
                                         ET [1] - 284:20                                   245:22, 295:16, 297:25, 298:1, 298:4,
ECONOMY [1] - 215:24
                                         EVENING [5] - 258:22, 291:10, 291:15,             298:5, 298:11, 298:12, 298:19
EDITING [1] - 267:4
                                          293:20, 302:12                                  EXIST [1] - 206:10
EFFECT [1] - 270:1
                                         EVENTS [2] - 247:10, 247:25                      EXISTENCE [1] - 149:10
EITHER [3] - 132:19, 253:17, 275:13
                                         EVENTUALLY [1] - 223:24                          EXISTS [2] - 206:2, 206:4
ELECTED [2] - 135:12, 284:25
                                         EVIDENCE [30] - 155:20, 196:15, 244:6,           EXITED [4] - 134:20, 211:24, 252:21,
ELEMENT [11] - 260:18, 260:25, 261:11,
                                          254:18, 255:6, 258:10, 258:17,                   258:24
 261:17, 269:8, 269:20, 269:21,
                                          259:13, 260:5, 260:9, 260:13, 262:7,            EXPECTATION [1] - 268:5
 270:21, 270:22, 277:15, 278:25
                                          264:17, 265:7, 266:21, 267:5, 272:7,            EXPECTED [1] - 283:18
ELEMENTS [4] - 260:13, 260:16,
                                          272:12, 272:13, 272:14, 273:4,                  EXPENSES [1] - 157:11
 261:11, 261:25
                                          273:14, 273:21, 274:3, 276:24,                  EXPERIENCE [1] - 234:22
ELEVENTH [11] - 269:19, 270:16,
                                          277:18, 279:7, 280:14, 280:20, 284:4            EXPERIMENT [1] - 278:16
 272:11, 276:13, 276:21, 277:24,
                                         EX [12] - 141:3, 148:12, 148:20, 149:1,          EXPIRATION [1] - 236:4
 278:5, 279:15, 280:19, 282:4, 282:5
                                          169:25, 170:17, 174:4, 176:10,                  EXPLAIN [1] - 180:8
ELICIT [1] - 210:6
                                          179:17, 185:6, 234:10, 251:4                    EXPLAINED [7] - 180:10, 182:14,
EMPLOYEE [2] - 199:14, 246:5
                                         EX-WIFE [9] - 141:3, 148:20, 149:1,               183:10, 270:22, 271:5, 276:22, 295:11
EMPLOYEES [14] - 162:20, 168:25,
                                          169:25, 170:17, 174:4, 176:10, 185:6,           EXTENT [1] - 298:16
 169:3, 216:7, 233:6, 233:7, 233:14,
                                          251:4
 246:18, 248:3, 248:18, 249:6, 249:14,
                                         EX-WIFE'S [3] - 148:12, 179:17, 234:10                               F
 249:20
                                         EXACT [3] - 186:6, 224:17, 246:4
EMPLOYER'S [1] - 199:18                                                                   F.3D [1] - 288:9
                                         EXACTLY [1] - 280:22
ENCROACHMENT [1] - 289:14                                                                 F.APP'X [5] - 276:13, 276:15, 276:17,
                                         EXAGGERATION [1] - 278:18
END [2] - 170:8, 211:18                                                                    278:7, 282:4
                                         EXAMINATION [7] - 137:23, 181:5,
ENDED [2] - 191:3, 218:18                                                                 FABRICATED [2] - 195:2, 195:5
                                          232:3, 243:15, 250:8, 256:20, 257:14
ENGAGED [2] - 287:4                                                                       FABRICATION [1] - 196:14
                                         EXAMINATION [1] - 292:15
ENGAGING [1] - 278:15                                                                     FACED [1] - 290:4
                                         EXAMINATION..........................181 [1] -
ENTERED [4] - 134:15, 136:22, 212:17,                                                     FACILITY [1] - 165:13
                                          131:4
 256:4                                                                                    FACT [6] - 185:9, 188:14, 229:17,
                                         EXAMINATION.........................137 [1] -
ENTERPRISE [4] - 151:12, 151:16,                                                           253:25, 261:19, 262:9
                                          131:4
 151:17, 156:6                                                                            FACTS [10] - 182:22, 183:2, 183:3,
                                         EXAMINATION........................243 [1] -
ENTERPRISES [3] - 156:19, 217:22,                                                          183:10, 186:23, 268:20, 272:21,
                                          131:5
 248:22                                                                                    277:3, 277:13, 279:3
                                         EXAMINATION.......................232 [1] -
ENTERS [1] - 279:25                                                                       FACTUAL [6] - 182:15, 182:19, 238:12,
                                          131:5
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 251:13, 277:8, 280:21                      296:5, 296:13, 301:7, 301:9              161:15, 170:22, 179:23, 234:24,
FAILURE [1] - 289:20                       FIRST [1] - 282:17                        246:7, 246:20, 247:2, 251:1
FAIR [4] - 164:9, 179:22, 199:24, 271:9    FIVE [3] - 205:8, 254:16                 FRAUDULENTLY [2] - 185:3, 232:23
FAITH [1] - 290:21                         FIX [1] - 296:18                         FREEZING [1] - 276:20
FAKE [29] - 191:8, 191:11, 191:13,         FLAGPOLE [1] - 290:7                     FREQUENTLY [1] - 274:5
 191:15, 191:19, 192:4, 192:7, 192:20,     FLESH [1] - 239:13                       FRIEND [1] - 151:22
 193:6, 195:11, 196:2, 196:22, 196:24,     FLIPPED [1] - 299:24                     FRIENDLY [2] - 276:23, 280:20
 197:16, 197:19, 198:20, 198:23,           FLY [1] - 290:4                          FROM [1] - 1:9
 198:25, 199:3, 199:4, 199:8, 199:25,      FOCUS [1] - 186:1                        FRONT [10] - 136:17, 137:12, 205:11,
 233:6, 233:13, 235:3, 236:1, 236:7        FOCUSED [1] - 187:11                      206:16, 206:22, 235:17, 244:11,
FAMILY [1] - 201:15                        FOLLOW [3] - 239:11, 243:5, 246:4         250:11, 262:13, 286:18
FAR [12] - 166:15, 170:6, 170:7, 196:3,    FOLLOW-UP [1] - 243:5                    FULFILLING [1] - 277:9
 196:20, 255:12, 262:1, 271:11, 278:1,     FOLLOWING [1] - 1:2                      FULL [1] - 1:9
 291:16, 296:20, 298:10                    FOLLOWS [7] - 137:21, 212:1, 212:16,     FULL [4] - 138:2, 292:6, 292:7, 292:10
FAULT [1] - 137:2                           255:25, 256:18, 275:23, 302:14          FULLY [2] - 265:2, 270:3
FAVORABLE [9] - 262:8, 267:25,             FOOTNOTE [2] - 282:3, 282:10             FUN [1] - 278:15
 283:15, 284:3, 285:4, 285:9, 285:15,      FOR [2] - 1:5, 130:1                     FUNCTION [1] - 189:1
 289:2, 290:20                             FORCED [1] - 293:5                       FUNCTIONING [1] - 189:4
FAVORABLY [1] - 284:6                      FOREGOING [1] - 303:6                    FUND [1] - 144:18
FBI [9] - 170:12, 189:25, 224:2, 224:3,    FORGOT [4] - 134:17, 137:1, 227:13,      FUNDING [2] - 146:16, 170:14
 224:6, 225:24, 227:6, 227:10, 227:16       266:10                                  FUNDS [24] - 151:1, 158:8, 158:14,
FEBRUARY [1] - 130:11                      FORGOTTEN [1] - 195:5                     160:2, 160:8, 161:15, 169:14, 170:15,
FEBRUARY [2] - 302:14, 303:9               FORM [18] - 140:24, 143:17, 171:6,        185:24, 186:2, 186:17, 187:4, 187:8,
FEELINGS [1] - 268:9                        232:7, 233:13, 233:24, 236:25, 250:2,    187:12, 191:2, 191:3, 241:19, 251:17,
FEES [4] - 150:12, 169:17, 215:18,          299:11, 299:16, 299:20, 299:23,          259:14, 259:16, 260:6, 260:7, 272:9,
 237:25                                     300:3, 300:22, 301:19, 302:3, 302:4      273:7
FELONY [1] - 264:4                         FORMALLY [3] - 136:16, 255:13,           FURTHER [6] - 131:6, 131:8, 131:9,
FELT [1] - 202:14                           255:21                                   250:8, 256:20, 257:14
FEW [6] - 138:22, 168:17, 200:3, 209:3,    FORMED [1] - 172:3                       FUTILE [1] - 290:14
 226:8, 275:15                             FORMS [5] - 159:24, 199:3, 199:5,
FIFTH [17] - 133:3, 135:1, 135:23,          299:4, 299:6                                              G
 253:13, 277:22, 282:13, 282:16,           FORTH [9] - 153:12, 163:18, 164:24,
                                                                                    GAIN [1] - 273:16
 283:20, 283:22, 283:24, 287:8, 288:8,      168:20, 178:21, 189:25, 210:4, 240:1,
 288:10, 288:11, 288:17, 288:22,                                                    GAINES [4] - 131:3, 135:3, 137:19,
                                            277:14
 289:21                                                                              138:4
                                           FOSTER [34] - 132:4, 132:12, 133:11,
FIGURED [2] - 247:1, 247:2                                                          GAINES [168] - 134:3, 134:25, 135:8,
                                            137:4, 138:7, 253:10, 254:24, 255:7,
FILE [3] - 140:24, 202:16, 271:22                                                    136:4, 136:12, 137:7, 137:12, 137:17,
                                            257:8, 259:5, 259:18, 259:21, 263:1,
                                                                                     138:4, 138:6, 141:7, 141:11, 141:13,
FILED [3] - 1:3, 1:8, 1:10                  265:14, 267:1, 274:9, 274:10, 274:20,
                                                                                     141:17, 141:22, 141:25, 142:4,
FILED [4] - 140:2, 140:4, 265:20, 265:22    275:4, 277:13, 279:5, 279:9, 282:3,
                                                                                     142:10, 143:8, 143:14, 143:18,
FILINGS [2] - 291:10, 297:22                290:21, 292:21, 292:22, 292:24,
                                                                                     143:20, 144:1, 144:4, 144:15, 144:24,
FILL [5] - 150:8, 150:9, 229:17, 233:13,    293:7, 293:12, 293:13, 296:20,
                                                                                     145:4, 145:7, 145:10, 145:19, 146:15,
 273:18                                     299:19, 299:24, 301:18
                                                                                     146:23, 147:5, 149:24, 150:21, 155:5,
FILLED [6] - 143:16, 230:21, 232:7,        FOSTER [11] - 130:7, 130:17, 132:20,
                                                                                     158:15, 160:5, 160:23, 160:24,
 246:5, 250:3, 272:16                       133:1, 133:5, 133:14, 253:19, 253:22,
                                                                                     161:23, 163:22, 164:19, 165:25,
FILLING [1] - 281:8                         254:2, 254:5, 254:9
                                                                                     166:19, 166:24, 170:6, 170:24,
FINAL [1] - 139:23                         FOSTER'S [9] - 254:21, 270:9, 271:13,
                                                                                     171:16, 172:20, 178:16, 179:1, 181:7,
FINALLY [3] - 145:18, 180:6, 232:20         277:12, 284:25, 292:18, 292:24,
                                                                                     181:10, 182:9, 183:8, 183:11, 183:12,
FINANCES [1] - 162:21                       293:1, 301:1
                                                                                     184:4, 184:14, 184:15, 184:16,
FINANCIAL [2] - 260:7, 261:18              FOUNDATION [3] - 147:8, 161:7,
                                                                                     184:23, 185:9, 185:10, 185:12, 186:1,
FINANCING [2] - 241:22                      164:15
                                                                                     186:10, 186:12, 187:9, 187:13,
FINDINGS [2] - 277:8, 280:21               FOUNDERS [1] - 172:5                      187:20, 187:21, 188:1, 189:6, 189:11,
FINE [7] - 151:5, 154:2, 212:12, 255:18,   FOUR [3] - 194:24, 205:8, 291:18          189:12, 189:18, 190:13, 190:15,
 264:8, 294:8, 301:17                      FRAME [4] - 146:12, 149:9, 176:6,         190:20, 190:23, 191:4, 191:9, 191:11,
FINISH [1] - 295:23                         177:21                                   191:19, 192:2, 192:8, 192:19, 193:4,
FIRST [30] - 132:18, 138:3, 141:22,        FRANKLY [3] - 273:24, 284:21, 299:11      193:6, 194:22, 196:1, 196:11, 196:18,
 148:11, 160:13, 171:23, 172:20,           FRAUD [15] - 182:6, 189:12, 202:6,        197:10, 199:19, 201:17, 201:19,
 174:2, 174:19, 194:7, 194:15, 198:14,      257:9, 260:21, 260:23, 260:25, 261:3,    207:6, 207:12, 208:10, 209:7, 209:13,
 201:24, 213:9, 217:1, 217:4, 225:9,        261:13, 261:15, 261:16, 261:20,          211:1, 212:3, 212:11, 213:1, 213:9,
 228:16, 236:15, 253:13, 269:16,            261:21, 271:19, 287:5                    213:12, 214:23, 215:10, 220:16,
 272:24, 276:3, 282:2, 283:5, 288:6,       FRAUDULENT [10] - 147:5, 148:3,
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 221:23, 221:25, 222:16, 222:18,         GOVERNMENT'S [23] - 160:17, 184:10,        184:5, 187:8, 195:1, 195:4, 238:12,
 222:21, 222:24, 223:4, 223:12,           232:6, 254:18, 255:22, 260:8, 266:22,     238:17, 239:7, 244:10, 245:8, 292:18,
 223:15, 223:18, 224:6, 224:10,           275:3, 275:4, 275:24, 279:23, 281:3,      292:24
 226:17, 228:3, 229:10, 229:11,           281:14, 282:6, 282:11, 282:20,           HEARSAY [1] - 145:8
 231:18, 235:2, 238:23, 239:23,           284:14, 288:13, 288:20, 288:21,          HEART [1] - 274:2
 240:22, 243:17, 244:10, 244:16,          289:3, 289:5, 289:20                     HEDGE [1] - 241:19
 244:21, 244:22, 245:3, 246:7, 246:14,   GRANT [19] - 282:7, 282:12, 282:20,       HELD [1] - 132:1
 246:22, 250:10, 250:20, 250:23,          283:2, 283:6, 283:12, 284:5, 284:15,     HELD [8] - 141:2, 180:17, 272:11,
 252:6, 260:3, 264:24, 268:1, 268:18,     285:5, 285:13, 285:20, 285:25,            277:4, 282:11, 282:20, 284:20, 288:21
 272:6, 272:15, 273:8, 273:10, 273:19,    286:22, 287:20, 288:14, 288:22,          HELP [4] - 169:18, 224:21, 229:5,
 287:9, 296:11, 296:14, 296:19, 297:7,    289:4, 289:15, 289:20                     273:18
 297:11, 297:12                          GREAT [4] - 266:21, 273:18, 278:18,       HELP [1] - 224:23
GAINES'S [10] - 150:6, 185:6, 196:13,     287:9                                    HELPED [1] - 143:7
 197:6, 220:19, 224:12, 224:13, 251:3,   GREATER [1] - 287:19                      HEREBY [2] - 279:20, 303:6
 273:3, 273:25                           GROUND [1] - 215:25                       HEREIN [2] - 137:20, 256:17
GAINESMARTY@GMAIL.COM [4] -              GROUNDS [2] - 254:22, 261:22              HERSELF [2] - 250:3, 272:16
 190:10, 193:12, 194:13, 194:21          GROWING [1] - 204:11                      HIDE [4] - 141:9, 214:24, 220:9, 232:17
GAINING [1] - 267:25                     GUESS [29] - 133:8, 157:22, 172:18,       HIDING [3] - 292:21, 293:2, 293:6
GATHERED [1] - 209:10                     175:17, 176:6, 186:25, 192:6, 203:24,    HIGHLIGHT [5] - 143:23, 145:25, 146:9,
GEARS [1] - 200:7                         204:22, 212:10, 212:11, 219:20,           171:6, 178:2
GEICO [2] - 175:17, 175:25                222:9, 237:14, 238:11, 240:21,           HIGHLIGHTED [2] - 250:13, 280:23
GENA [5] - 254:24, 255:6, 257:8,          242:16, 255:12, 255:15, 269:6,           HIRANI [22] - 142:6, 143:4, 143:11,
 292:18, 292:21                           271:11, 275:13, 277:23, 278:4, 278:7,     143:22, 145:24, 146:8, 148:7, 149:19,
GENERAL [2] - 168:18, 278:20              281:20, 284:12, 295:4, 300:24             151:4, 152:13, 153:25, 158:17,
GENERALIZED [1] - 188:8                  GUIDANCE [1] - 277:10                      158:24, 159:4, 159:9, 165:7, 169:10,
GENERALLY [3] - 176:6, 260:2, 278:21     GUILT [1] - 262:9                          171:7, 171:13, 172:16, 173:17, 176:4
GENTLEMAN [1] - 144:6                    GUILTY [20] - 138:12, 181:19, 181:22,     HIRE [3] - 169:3, 237:22, 237:23
GENTLEMEN [5] - 134:17, 136:25,           182:13, 182:15, 182:17, 182:18,          HIRING [1] - 187:7
 211:22, 252:14, 258:9                    254:19, 254:25, 261:2, 300:25, 301:5,    HISTORICAL [1] - 168:1
GEORGIA [4] - 157:3, 216:1, 221:1,        301:6, 301:8, 301:21, 302:5              HISTORY [4] - 188:20, 188:25, 189:5,
 239:18                                  GUILTYS [2] - 301:20                       204:12
GEORGIA [4] - 130:1, 130:25, 132:1,      GUY [2] - 209:4, 227:16                   HOLD [8] - 132:23, 141:3, 155:11,
 303:4                                   GUYS [4] - 207:25, 209:9, 209:15, 211:9    218:14, 263:21, 276:25, 295:23, 298:4
GIRL [2] - 157:23, 157:24                                                          HOLDING [1] - 270:18
GIVEN [14] - 207:6, 267:23, 272:6,                          H                      HOLLAND [10] - 191:24, 192:14, 194:3,
 272:19, 272:23, 274:5, 277:6, 279:16,                                              194:18, 210:23, 212:22, 213:23,
                                         HACK [1] - 195:9
 280:11, 283:15, 284:2, 286:11, 286:23                                              214:6, 230:5, 232:1
                                         HACKED [1] - 195:10
GLOBAL [2] - 215:22, 221:22                                                        HOLLAND [1] - 192:15
                                         HALF [1] - 265:23
GM [1] - 157:21                                                                    HOLLMAN [3] - 247:12, 247:15, 247:19
                                         HALL [1] - 275:15
GOODIE [1] - 271:12                                                                HOME [1] - 176:10
                                         HALT [1] - 215:25
GOOGLE [2] - 243:21, 244:1                                                         HONEST [2] - 167:14, 190:5
                                         HAND [2] - 235:15, 237:7
GOVERNMENT [1] - 130:14                                                            HONOR [118] - 132:6, 132:10, 133:10,
                                         HANDED [3] - 163:25, 164:6, 215:17
GOVERNMENT [11] - 170:3, 191:25,                                                    133:19, 133:23, 134:10, 134:11,
                                         HANDLE [2] - 169:21, 221:1
 194:12, 194:19, 210:24, 212:22,                                                    134:23, 136:5, 136:6, 136:8, 136:10,
                                         HANDLING [1] - 162:21
 213:6, 220:14, 229:22, 230:24, 245:12                                              137:4, 137:16, 145:8, 147:13, 164:14,
                                         HANDS [1] - 162:23
GOVERNMENT [43] - 170:24, 183:23,                                                   165:3, 165:6, 180:25, 183:22, 184:9,
                                         HANDWRITING [2] - 213:25, 230:18
 235:3, 254:13, 255:17, 259:9, 259:21,                                              186:5, 187:17, 195:18, 196:13, 197:6,
 262:8, 264:25, 265:15, 267:5, 268:6,    HANG [2] - 239:16, 239:21
                                                                                    208:4, 209:20, 210:6, 210:15, 210:18,
 270:8, 273:18, 274:9, 274:22, 275:13,   HAPPY [5] - 272:25, 281:5, 284:24,
                                                                                    211:13, 212:21, 225:22, 229:21,
 276:4, 279:6, 279:10, 279:25, 280:4,     298:16, 298:20
                                                                                    231:15, 243:13, 245:11, 245:20,
 282:14, 283:2, 285:12, 285:14,          HAS [1] - 1:8
                                                                                    245:22, 245:25, 246:10, 252:9,
 285:16, 286:3, 286:10, 286:14,          HAUL [1] - 239:19
                                                                                    252:10, 252:23, 254:15, 254:20,
 286:19, 286:22, 287:10, 288:14,         HEAD [3] - 204:5, 272:8, 295:3
                                                                                    256:7, 256:10, 257:11, 257:22,
 288:24, 289:18, 290:10, 290:15,         HEAR [17] - 255:21, 258:11, 269:15,        257:23, 258:2, 258:5, 259:3, 259:23,
 292:16, 292:25, 293:10, 300:19,          270:7, 272:3, 272:24, 272:25, 274:8,      261:9, 262:1, 262:19, 262:21, 263:9,
 300:24                                   281:5, 284:7, 284:8, 284:12, 284:24,      264:8, 264:10, 264:16, 266:14,
GOVERNMENT'S [15] - 142:7, 143:11,        295:24, 297:5, 297:21                     266:15, 267:9, 267:10, 267:11,
 143:14, 145:25, 146:13, 148:6,          HEARD [7] - 184:1, 210:2, 271:19,          267:22, 268:24, 269:1, 269:11,
 149:20, 151:6, 158:18, 160:15,           272:14, 272:21, 283:5, 283:10             269:17, 270:12, 271:8, 271:15, 272:4,
 170:25, 172:7, 177:25, 231:23, 237:1    HEARING [14] - 182:25, 183:17, 183:24,     274:11, 274:16, 275:7, 276:1, 276:5,
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 276:7, 276:12, 276:19, 276:21, 278:3,    IMPORTANT [1] - 228:8                      288:3, 289:12, 289:22, 298:2
 278:8, 278:22, 279:18, 281:25, 282:2,    IMPORTANTLY [1] - 258:15                 INSTRUCTIONS [14] - 258:11, 258:14,
 282:22, 282:25, 284:22, 285:1,           IMPOSES [1] - 287:19                       262:12, 262:14, 270:17, 270:19,
 285:12, 286:2, 287:14, 287:25, 288:4,    IMPRESSION [1] - 299:13                    278:23, 280:11, 280:13, 294:1,
 290:8, 291:16, 292:13, 293:21,           IN [3] - 1:3, 1:4, 132:1                   295:15, 295:20, 296:3, 298:3
 293:25, 294:9, 294:15, 295:9, 295:19,    INACCURATE [1] - 270:20                  INSUFFICIENT [1] - 270:19
 295:22, 297:18, 298:10, 299:1,           INAPPROPRIATE [1] - 261:23               INSURANCE [3] - 175:17, 175:23,
 299:17, 301:17                           INBOX [1] - 266:1                          175:24
HONORABLE [1] - 130:10                    INCLINED [1] - 281:3                     INTELLIGENCE [1] - 248:15
HOPE [5] - 252:25, 258:22, 292:9,         INCLUDE [2] - 228:5, 232:14              INTEND [1] - 254:23
 292:11, 302:12                           INCLUDED [3] - 270:14, 280:13, 282:10    INTENDED [1] - 246:2
HOPES [1] - 267:25                        INCLUDES [1] - 266:1                     INTENT [2] - 166:21, 259:12
HOUR [3] - 265:23, 292:3, 298:4           INCLUDING [2] - 258:15, 258:20           INTERACTING [1] - 278:11
HOURS [1] - 274:1                         INCOME [1] - 166:17                      INTERESTED [5] - 166:24, 205:12,
HOUSE [14] - 176:9, 176:15, 176:25,       INCONSISTENT [4] - 187:3, 292:17,          206:19, 207:15, 284:8
 177:12, 177:16, 177:19, 178:6,            293:11, 301:11                          INTERNET [3] - 177:13, 278:14, 278:15
 178:23, 223:10, 224:16, 225:6,           INCRIMINATE [1] - 135:24                 INTERRUPTION [1] - 282:24
 225:25, 239:20, 242:19                   INCRIMINATION [1] - 253:14               INTERVIEW [1] - 242:16
HOUSEHOLD [1] - 157:11                    INDEED [1] - 135:22                      INTERVIEWED [3] - 223:3, 223:15,
HOUSING [1] - 166:22                      INDICATE [2] - 289:9, 290:12               223:18
HOWEVER [1] - 1:8                         INDICATED [2] - 133:15, 147:22           INTERVIEWS [1] - 243:5
HUGE [1] - 272:17                         INDICATION [3] - 290:14, 293:1, 293:5    INTOXICATED [1] - 203:16
HUNG [1] - 189:3                          INDICTMENT [9] - 138:10, 138:13,         INTRODUCED [1] - 144:6
HUNT [1] - 281:20                          138:15, 294:10, 295:12, 295:13,         INTRODUCTION [1] - 296:3
HUSBAND [1] - 293:2                        295:16, 300:11, 300:16                  INVESTIGATION [5] - 228:4, 228:6,
HYPOTHETICALS [2] - 278:20                INDIVIDUALS [1] - 254:25                   228:7, 256:25, 257:9
                                          INFERENCE [3] - 283:25, 285:6, 289:16    INVOKE [4] - 135:23, 283:22, 283:24,
                    I                     INFERS [1] - 273:5                         287:8
                                          INFIDELITY [4] - 140:8, 140:9, 140:19,   INVOKED [1] - 283:20
IBM [1] - 149:5
                                           202:18                                  INVOKES [3] - 282:13, 288:22, 289:21
IDEA [5] - 145:3, 166:10, 229:11,
                                          INFORMATION [31] - 140:22, 153:12,       INVOLVED [11] - 144:11, 146:22,
  243:25, 278:21
                                           156:16, 156:17, 158:3, 166:13,            161:19, 202:6, 228:4, 234:17, 234:23,
IDENTIFICATION [2] - 225:3, 262:22
                                           178:20, 179:23, 180:10, 189:20,           236:12, 272:15, 280:18, 297:24
IDENTIFIED [1] - 163:23
                                           199:21, 205:20, 208:1, 208:4, 208:7,    INVOLVEMENT [6] - 144:3, 187:21,
IDENTIFIES [1] - 278:24
                                           208:13, 209:9, 209:10, 211:9, 219:6,      189:12, 196:11, 196:14, 255:7
IDENTIFY [2] - 259:21, 290:21
                                           220:7, 221:5, 221:6, 221:13, 225:18,    INVOLVES [3] - 138:7, 261:18, 281:23
IDENTIFYING [1] - 257:2
                                           227:15, 243:9, 246:5, 246:6, 257:18,    IS [1] - 1:2
IDENTITY [1] - 197:20
                                           293:9                                   ISSUE [29] - 197:7, 212:2, 253:12,
IGNORANCE [4] - 272:5, 272:14,
                                          INFORMER [3] - 279:23, 280:1, 280:4        260:16, 266:19, 267:21, 269:7, 269:9,
  272:22, 273:24
                                          INITIAL [2] - 238:9, 238:13                271:19, 271:22, 274:14, 274:16,
IGNORANCE [1] - 274:24
                                          INITIALS [1] - 237:7                       279:19, 280:17, 282:6, 282:19,
ILLEGAL [2] - 260:6, 273:16
                                          INNOCENCE [1] - 301:6                      284:14, 284:23, 286:23, 288:8, 290:4,
IMAGE [3] - 149:21, 152:14, 169:11
                                          INSTANCE [1] - 175:2                       292:14, 292:19, 297:5, 298:9, 300:9,
IMAGES [1] - 151:8
                                          INSTEAD [5] - 229:8, 250:25, 252:18,       300:24, 302:7, 302:9
IMAGINATION [1] - 278:18
                                           277:8, 279:2                            ISSUES [6] - 188:9, 269:6, 277:10,
IMAGINATIVE [1] - 278:15
                                          INSTEAD [1] - 185:2                        277:11, 299:5, 299:25
IMAGINE [1] - 273:24
                                          INSTRUCT [5] - 152:10, 274:18, 277:19,   IT'LL [2] - 136:15, 291:10
IMMUNITY [24] - 282:7, 282:12, 282:21,
                                           284:3, 293:21                           ITSELF [2] - 165:22, 289:22
  283:2, 283:5, 283:7, 283:12, 284:5,
                                          INSTRUCTED [3] - 260:22, 261:1,
  284:15, 285:5, 285:13, 285:20, 286:1,
  286:11, 286:15, 286:22, 287:20,
                                           279:20                                                      J
                                          INSTRUCTING [1] - 280:4                  J-20 [2] - 164:1, 164:12
  288:14, 288:22, 289:4, 289:16,
                                          INSTRUCTION [44] - 132:23, 253:24,       J-21 [1] - 165:15
  289:20, 290:4
                                           260:17, 260:24, 262:22, 264:24,
IMMUNIZE [1] - 289:13                                                              J-22 [2] - 165:20, 168:12
                                           266:20, 267:7, 269:23, 270:23, 272:5,
IMPACT [1] - 280:6                                                                 J-23 [1] - 167:8
                                           272:11, 272:23, 274:2, 274:10, 275:2,
IMPEACHED [2] - 264:4, 264:12                                                      J-24 [2] - 167:20, 167:22
                                           276:22, 277:1, 277:3, 277:5, 277:6,
IMPEACHMENT [1] - 196:14                                                           J-25 [2] - 164:1, 168:3
                                           277:12, 277:19, 278:9, 278:13, 279:4,
IMPEDIMENT [1] - 188:22                                                            J-O-H-N [1] - 138:4
                                           279:12, 279:14, 279:15, 279:18,
IMPERMISSIBLY [1] - 277:7                                                          J.P [1] - 130:10
                                           279:19, 280:4, 280:9, 280:14, 282:8,
IMPLIES [1] - 293:12                                                               J13 [2] - 156:3, 216:15
                                           282:22, 282:25, 284:16, 286:21,
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J20 [2] - 205:17, 205:19                  JULY [5] - 181:10, 218:3, 218:5, 223:4,                      L
J21 [1] - 205:22                           224:15
J22 [1] - 206:12                          JUMP [3] - 245:17, 245:18, 290:8          L-SHAPED [1] - 204:22
JACKSON [3] - 130:6, 130:20, 253:15       JUNCTURE [1] - 262:6                      LABELED [1] - 298:17
JACKSON [114] - 135:12, 137:15,           JUNE [23] - 156:12, 156:13, 157:20,       LACK [2] - 147:7, 161:6
 137:16, 138:7, 138:10, 138:23,            171:21, 172:15, 172:21, 174:19,          LADIES [5] - 134:17, 136:25, 211:22,
 138:25, 139:2, 139:8, 139:15, 139:19,     174:20, 175:2, 175:9, 175:12, 177:22,     252:14, 258:9
 140:4, 140:13, 140:18, 140:21, 141:3,     184:15, 215:9, 215:24, 216:18,           LAID [2] - 164:15, 251:13
 142:24, 146:21, 147:1, 147:4, 147:21,     216:20, 218:9, 218:10, 219:5, 244:20,    LANGUAGE [12] - 269:7, 269:15,
 147:25, 151:25, 152:10, 152:24,           250:19                                    269:18, 270:1, 270:10, 270:12,
 153:16, 154:11, 155:6, 155:18,           JURY [81] - 132:23, 133:21, 134:9,         270:15, 271:13, 279:3, 279:5, 296:5,
 155:19, 156:3, 161:2, 161:11, 161:13,     134:14, 134:15, 134:17, 134:20,           300:19
 162:3, 163:9, 163:21, 166:2, 167:2,       136:14, 136:17, 136:22, 136:25,          LAPTOP [3] - 177:9, 178:9
 167:18, 168:9, 170:6, 170:13, 172:3,      137:12, 140:21, 143:25, 145:6, 149:2,    LARGE [3] - 148:5, 151:2, 200:13
 173:14, 174:12, 175:21, 176:2, 178:2,     152:1, 152:6, 156:2, 162:19, 176:17,     LARGE-SCALE [1] - 200:13
 178:6, 179:3, 179:24, 180:13, 185:6,      186:15, 193:14, 211:22, 211:24,          LARGER [1] - 138:19
 187:12, 200:8, 201:10, 202:3, 210:24,     212:9, 212:17, 226:11, 226:12,           LAST [6] - 138:3, 175:17, 179:19,
 213:17, 213:19, 214:8, 215:2, 215:9,      228:24, 229:3, 239:14, 252:14,            212:23, 261:9, 265:25
 216:9, 216:18, 216:23, 218:2, 218:8,      252:21, 253:24, 255:2, 256:1, 256:3,     LATE [1] - 189:7
 218:13, 221:15, 223:4, 224:7, 224:12,     256:4, 258:10, 258:24, 260:17,           LAUNDERING [6] - 138:17, 182:2,
 229:10, 229:14, 229:17, 231:12,           260:22, 261:1, 261:24, 262:12,            259:12, 269:22, 270:5, 300:12
 233:9, 233:13, 233:20, 234:4, 234:17,     262:14, 270:3, 270:16, 270:19, 271:3,    LAW [15] - 261:10, 261:24, 270:3,
 235:23, 235:25, 236:9, 236:14,            272:7, 272:12, 274:19, 277:9, 277:19,     270:13, 271:10, 277:3, 277:15,
 239:13, 240:21, 241:7, 241:9, 241:25,     279:20, 280:5, 280:10, 280:11,            277:19, 280:3, 280:5, 280:9, 280:18,
 249:23, 250:1, 251:4, 251:16, 252:1,      280:13, 280:14, 281:8, 283:11,            281:9, 284:2, 284:18
 253:5, 253:9, 263:1, 272:8, 273:6,        283:20, 283:24, 284:1, 284:3, 284:4,     LAWFUL [1] - 233:11
 273:9, 273:15, 274:7, 274:18, 274:19,     291:4, 291:12, 293:9, 293:22, 293:25,    LAYS [1] - 296:10
 275:3, 294:4, 296:17, 300:4, 300:13,      294:1, 294:10, 295:12, 295:15,           LEANING [1] - 281:14
 300:23                                    295:20, 298:12, 300:12                   LEARNED [1] - 140:22
JACKSON'S [15] - 177:12, 177:16,          JURY [1] - 130:9                          LEAST [5] - 196:3, 196:19, 222:11,
 178:23, 200:9, 213:4, 213:25, 223:10,    JUSTICE [4] - 204:7, 283:8, 285:19,        272:22, 274:6
 224:16, 225:6, 230:18, 231:5, 237:5,      287:19                                   LEAVE [4] - 264:4, 296:18, 300:14,
 299:21, 301:21, 302:3                                                               300:16
JAN1.PDF [1] - 194:15                                        K                      LEE [5] - 135:7, 137:11, 181:4, 291:4,
JANUARY [1] - 194:16                                                                 297:25
                                          KAUSHAL [1] - 130:15
JOB [1] - 149:15                                                                    LEEWAY [1] - 210:20
                                          KEEP [9] - 151:7, 162:22, 209:17,
JOBS [2] - 234:12, 241:16                                                           LEFT [3] - 194:12, 237:7, 248:2
                                           214:9, 222:8, 236:18, 240:22, 302:3
JOHN [6] - 137:7, 137:17, 138:4, 260:3,                                             LEFT-HAND [1] - 237:7
                                          KEEPING [3] - 202:10, 202:19, 203:3
 268:18, 273:8                                                                      LEGAL [2] - 277:2, 277:17
                                          KEEPS [1] - 195:20
JOHN [1] - 135:8                                                                    LEGIT [3] - 232:24, 233:1, 273:12
                                          KEPT [4] - 179:22, 180:9, 210:11,
JOHN [1] - 137:19                                                                   LEGITIMATE [1] - 233:11
                                           236:14
JOHNSON [1] - 269:19                                                                LEIGH [2] - 292:1, 296:21
                                          KID [1] - 204:12
JOSEPH [2] - 131:7, 256:16                                                          LEIGH [1] - 130:18
                                          KIDS [2] - 141:5, 180:20
JP [1] - 135:10                                                                     LESS [4] - 181:13, 181:19, 214:4,
                                          KIND [20] - 145:5, 147:22, 148:23,
JUDGE [40] - 134:1, 134:2, 134:5,                                                    254:16
                                           150:17, 153:23, 162:7, 166:21, 168:1,
 145:9, 164:13, 165:1, 180:22, 182:13,                                              LETTER [5] - 197:24, 197:25, 198:7,
                                           168:18, 169:21, 170:21, 172:5, 175:7,
 182:17, 183:2, 185:12, 186:1, 186:24,                                               198:11, 198:16
                                           177:2, 177:8, 180:19, 233:16, 241:22,
 187:2, 187:13, 197:5, 230:1, 231:21,                                               LETTERHEAD [2] - 198:11, 198:18
                                           273:5, 281:9
 234:21, 243:14, 252:5, 253:4, 255:18,                                              LETTERS [1] - 197:19
                                          KINDS [1] - 162:3
 258:7, 260:14, 261:6, 263:22, 268:19,                                              LEVELS [1] - 283:7
                                          KNOWING [1] - 251:17
 270:9, 271:22, 273:4, 273:17, 273:22,                                              LICENSE [1] - 236:4
                                          KNOWLEDGE [12] - 146:18, 147:4,
 292:3, 292:9, 297:16, 299:5, 299:8,                                                LICENSES [1] - 197:13
                                           147:22, 150:11, 233:20, 260:5,
 300:5, 300:14                                                                      LIFE [1] - 234:22
                                           272:10, 272:13, 273:6, 273:16, 275:2,
JUDGE [1] - 130:10                                                                  LIGHT [2] - 262:7, 272:5
                                           279:8
JUDGE [17] - 135:11, 145:13, 155:19,                                                LIMB [1] - 207:1
                                          KNOWLEDGE [1] - 274:25
 185:22, 186:22, 196:9, 197:2, 245:14,                                              LIMINE [1] - 292:16
                                          KNOWN [4] - 139:4, 234:7, 234:17,
 255:10, 260:1, 271:21, 273:3, 281:10,                                              LIMITATION [1] - 291:17
                                           234:21
 281:17, 294:16, 296:1, 301:4
                                          KNOWS [5] - 136:13, 200:20, 200:24,       LIMITED [1] - 292:19
JUDGMENT [1] - 259:4
                                           201:1, 201:8                             LINE [11] - 150:12, 153:11, 196:10,
JUDICIAL [2] - 277:2, 289:14                                                         210:22, 246:1, 250:16, 250:18,
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 296:13, 296:16, 297:8                    LOVED [1] - 176:18                        134:4, 134:11, 134:23, 136:8, 137:7,
LINE [1] - 1:7                            LOWER [1] - 154:1                         137:15, 137:24, 142:6, 142:9, 143:4,
LINES [3] - 166:22, 210:11, 237:18        LUNCH [1] - 132:5                         143:6, 143:11, 143:13, 143:22,
LIST [7] - 266:10, 298:12, 298:14,                                                  143:24, 145:9, 145:13, 145:14,
 298:15, 298:19, 298:20, 298:21                                M                    145:24, 146:2, 146:8, 146:11, 147:9,
LISTED [6] - 143:19, 146:4, 184:20,                                                 147:19, 147:20, 148:7, 148:10,
                                          MAIL [32] - 173:21, 173:25, 174:10,       149:19, 149:23, 151:4, 151:10,
 244:25, 250:22, 257:5
                                           190:10, 192:2, 192:22, 193:4, 193:11,    152:13, 152:15, 153:25, 154:3,
LISTENED [1] - 191:1
                                           193:12, 193:18, 193:23, 193:24,          155:19, 155:24, 156:1, 158:17,
LISTING [2] - 243:23, 266:4
                                           194:1, 194:2, 194:6, 194:9, 194:12,      158:20, 158:23, 158:25, 159:4, 159:6,
LISTINGS [1] - 205:9
                                           194:21, 195:8, 195:10, 230:7, 231:25,    159:9, 159:12, 160:11, 160:12, 161:8,
LISTS [2] - 298:7, 298:18
                                           232:10, 232:20, 235:17, 235:23,          164:12, 164:17, 164:18, 165:1, 165:6,
LIVED [1] - 178:6
                                           247:7, 249:23, 266:1, 273:5, 273:11      165:8, 165:15, 165:16, 165:20,
LIVELY [6] - 278:2, 279:16, 279:19,
                                          MAILED [6] - 173:21, 190:7, 193:23,       165:21, 167:7, 167:9, 167:20, 167:21,
 279:24, 280:17, 281:9
                                           195:10, 231:2, 265:16                    168:3, 168:4, 168:11, 168:13, 169:10,
LIVING [1] - 176:8
                                          MAILING [1] - 193:15                      169:13, 170:3, 170:5, 171:1, 171:2,
LLC [3] - 151:17, 156:20, 217:22
                                          MAILS [2] - 196:6, 210:12                 171:5, 171:9, 171:13, 171:15, 172:7,
LOAN [60] - 141:6, 141:9, 143:8, 144:4,
                                          MAIN [1] - 158:23                         172:9, 172:16, 172:19, 173:1, 173:17,
 144:16, 145:16, 146:15, 146:19,
                                          MAIN [2] - 247:10, 247:24                 173:19, 174:2, 174:5, 174:7, 174:14,
 146:23, 147:5, 147:23, 148:1, 151:2,
                                          MAJOR [2] - 205:4, 278:13                 174:17, 175:15, 175:16, 176:4, 176:5,
 153:8, 153:18, 153:19, 154:20,
                                          MAJORITY [1] - 174:24                     177:25, 178:4, 178:11, 178:13,
 154:21, 154:23, 160:3, 164:23, 175:6,
                                          MANAGED [2] - 161:21, 200:18              180:22, 183:22, 184:9, 184:12,
 182:6, 185:4, 189:12, 189:16, 189:19,
                                          MANAGEMENT [49] - 148:14, 148:15,         185:22, 186:22, 187:2, 195:14, 196:9,
 190:4, 190:7, 190:15, 190:20, 191:5,
                                           148:19, 152:4, 156:24, 158:2, 158:8,     197:2, 200:21, 209:20, 210:3, 210:9,
 197:4, 202:6, 208:17, 208:19, 208:23,
                                           159:18, 160:10, 160:18, 160:20,          212:10, 229:24, 230:1, 231:21,
 208:25, 221:25, 226:17, 229:11,
                                           161:22, 162:4, 162:24, 169:23, 182:9,    231:23, 232:4, 234:21, 235:1, 236:20,
 232:5, 232:7, 232:22, 232:24, 233:10,
                                           183:12, 184:17, 185:24, 185:25,          236:24, 243:13, 245:14, 246:10,
 233:17, 233:21, 236:21, 237:9,
                                           186:12, 187:5, 187:13, 199:14,           250:6, 250:9, 252:5, 253:4, 253:8,
 241:12, 242:11, 247:2, 251:2, 251:24,
                                           199:18, 211:6, 213:10, 213:20, 219:6,    255:10, 255:12, 255:18, 256:7,
 261:15, 272:9, 272:15, 273:10, 273:12
                                           220:17, 221:6, 229:18, 230:15, 232:8,    257:22, 258:7, 260:1, 263:3, 263:14,
LOANS [11] - 144:7, 153:7, 179:23,
                                           232:23, 233:7, 238:22, 239:1, 239:3,     263:22, 263:24, 264:7, 264:14,
 179:24, 218:25, 220:1, 220:5, 221:16,
                                           240:23, 244:16, 244:22, 246:2,           264:20, 265:10, 267:11, 268:11,
 228:4, 229:15, 231:13
                                           249:10, 249:19, 250:2, 250:21,           268:16, 269:3, 270:9, 271:15, 271:17,
LOCATED [1] - 165:18
                                           251:18, 251:24                           271:21, 273:3, 275:9, 281:17, 281:21,
LOCATION [7] - 167:24, 178:8, 185:3,
                                          MANAGEMENT [5] - 148:24, 150:13,          292:1, 292:3, 292:9, 293:25, 294:4,
 240:7, 240:17, 251:1, 270:25
                                           150:17, 215:12, 215:19                   294:16, 295:3, 295:19, 296:1, 296:10,
LODGED [1] - 266:7
                                          MANAGER [5] - 149:4, 149:6, 162:14,       297:3, 297:16, 299:4, 300:5, 300:7,
LOG [1] - 178:20
                                           166:8, 234:13                            300:14, 300:21, 301:4, 301:10
LOG-IN [1] - 178:20
                                          MANAGING [3] - 149:7, 150:18, 162:20     MARSHALL'S [1] - 301:1
LOOK [37] - 154:18, 155:6, 155:11,
                                          MANNERS [1] - 233:11                     MARSHALL'S [3] - 133:22, 136:16,
 155:25, 157:13, 163:10, 163:17,
                                          MARCH [1] - 279:22                        210:21
 163:23, 165:12, 168:6, 168:9, 168:14,
                                          MARIE [13] - 191:15, 192:4, 192:20,      MARTY [3] - 190:13, 199:19, 232:10
 174:18, 174:21, 196:5, 197:25, 198:4,
                                           196:1, 196:19, 197:10, 198:20, 199:8,   MARVIN [3] - 247:12, 247:15, 247:19
 198:14, 199:13, 203:8, 205:15,
                                           199:13, 199:17, 235:22, 236:8, 247:17   MATCH [1] - 199:22
 206:25, 219:16, 233:2, 235:12, 244:5,
                                          MARIETTA [2] - 176:10, 239:20            MATERIAL [1] - 286:23
 257:17, 262:18, 264:22, 266:3,
                                          MARKED [2] - 155:5, 163:20               MATTER [2] - 145:12, 180:6
 267:19, 272:2, 275:25, 278:5, 281:13,
                                          MARRIAGE [2] - 148:21, 180:20            MATTERS [1] - 169:22
 291:13, 302:8
                                          MARRIED [7] - 139:1, 139:2, 140:13,      MAY [2] - 1:3, 1:5
LOOKED [9] - 203:10, 204:17, 209:1,
                                           147:10, 149:1, 201:10, 234:4            MEAN [38] - 158:14, 164:4, 165:3,
 209:3, 222:13, 236:25, 244:7, 274:4,
 284:17                                   MARSHALL [2] - 270:7, 292:8               165:24, 179:19, 180:1, 186:25, 189:3,
LOOKING [18] - 160:15, 164:5, 169:15,     MARSHALL [37] - 133:24, 134:21,           192:22, 194:24, 200:19, 207:14,
 206:21, 224:16, 224:18, 224:19,           135:11, 136:7, 137:6, 147:18, 186:6,     207:25, 208:1, 209:18, 210:1, 211:11,
 224:20, 225:6, 225:11, 250:7, 276:12,     207:12, 209:25, 211:1, 231:20,           216:5, 218:12, 222:8, 241:12, 261:1,
 278:9, 280:8, 291:9, 299:15, 299:16,      243:17, 246:9, 249:22, 253:3, 254:12,    277:21, 280:23, 281:21, 284:13,
 299:18                                    255:21, 256:6, 256:8, 258:3, 259:1,      285:21, 285:24, 286:25, 287:25,
LOOKS [3] - 175:6, 232:7, 278:2            259:25, 261:10, 263:2, 268:8, 268:10,    290:2, 290:3, 294:21, 296:25, 298:21,
                                           269:2, 269:9, 271:18, 272:24, 281:19,    301:2
LOSING [1] - 216:6
                                           291:25, 295:1, 295:24, 295:25,          MEANING [1] - 282:14
LOST [1] - 268:14
                                           297:15, 302:1                           MEANS [2] - 219:20, 269:24
LOTION [1] - 276:8
                                          MARSHALL [177] - 130:20, 134:1,          MEANT [2] - 153:4, 197:24
LOVE [2] - 268:16, 278:16
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MEDICAL [4] - 188:9, 188:20, 188:25,       MONEY [63] - 138:17, 144:18, 145:22,        165:21, 167:7, 167:9, 167:20, 167:21,
 189:5                                      146:6, 148:8, 150:16, 156:23, 156:24,      168:3, 168:4, 168:11, 168:13, 169:10,
MEET [4] - 226:20, 226:25, 297:25           160:18, 173:8, 173:12, 175:11, 182:2,      169:13, 170:3, 170:5, 171:1, 171:2,
MEETINGS [1] - 243:5                        182:8, 185:20, 186:20, 208:18,             171:5, 171:9, 171:13, 171:15, 172:7,
MEMBERS [1] - 279:20                        208:23, 209:2, 209:3, 214:9, 214:19,       172:9, 172:16, 172:19, 173:1, 173:17,
MEMO [2] - 150:12, 153:11                   214:21, 215:7, 216:7, 216:12, 217:6,       173:19, 174:2, 174:5, 174:7, 174:14,
MEMORIAL [1] - 204:7                        218:17, 218:21, 218:24, 219:22,            174:17, 175:15, 175:16, 176:4, 176:5,
MEMORY [5] - 184:15, 188:19, 191:22,        220:1, 220:4, 221:13, 222:5, 222:7,        177:25, 178:4, 178:11, 178:13,
 192:19, 195:6                              222:24, 222:25, 223:1, 228:3, 229:5,       180:22, 183:22, 184:9, 184:12,
MENS [1] - 259:11                           237:13, 238:4, 240:22, 241:1, 241:10,      185:22, 186:22, 187:2, 195:14, 196:9,
MENTIONED [5] - 141:11, 145:2,              241:13, 242:1, 242:2, 242:6, 242:10,       197:2, 200:21, 209:20, 210:3, 210:9,
 150:23, 161:25, 163:3                      242:13, 259:12, 260:20, 261:12,            212:10, 229:24, 230:1, 231:21,
MERE [1] - 282:11                           261:14, 261:20, 269:21, 270:5,             231:23, 232:4, 234:21, 235:1, 236:20,
MERELY [1] - 270:1                          272:17, 272:19, 300:12                     236:24, 243:13, 245:14, 246:10,
MESSAGE [18] - 155:8, 155:12, 155:15,      MONEYS [6] - 145:18, 146:18, 161:4,         250:6, 250:9, 252:5, 253:4, 253:8,
 155:17, 156:4, 156:8, 157:16, 192:22,      162:24, 170:19                             255:10, 255:12, 255:18, 256:7,
 207:12, 211:2, 211:4, 218:9, 218:10,      MONTGOMERY [14] - 144:19, 150:15,           257:22, 258:7, 260:1, 263:3, 263:14,
 218:14, 227:18, 228:10, 228:16,            160:22, 163:7, 163:10, 163:16,             263:22, 263:24, 264:7, 264:14,
 228:18                                     165:10, 169:18, 182:11, 203:7,             264:20, 265:10, 267:11, 268:11,
MESSAGES [20] - 207:4, 207:6, 207:9,        203:13, 214:13, 217:9, 240:13              268:16, 269:3, 270:9, 271:15, 271:17,
 207:23, 208:2, 209:6, 209:8, 209:11,      MONTGOMERY [1] - 163:8                      271:21, 273:3, 275:9, 281:17, 281:21,
 209:13, 209:17, 216:17, 218:9,            MONTHLY [6] - 153:19, 153:20, 248:2,        292:1, 292:3, 292:9, 293:25, 294:4,
 219:17, 227:22, 227:24, 227:25,            248:17, 249:6, 249:13                      294:16, 295:3, 295:19, 296:1, 296:10,
 228:2, 243:7, 293:4                       MONTHS [1] - 283:9                          297:3, 297:16, 299:4, 300:5, 300:7,
                                           MOORE [1] - 130:15                          300:14, 300:21, 301:4, 301:10
MESSED [1] - 273:13
                                           MOORE [1] - 287:18                         MRS [7] - 148:16, 149:12, 157:25,
MET [5] - 202:2, 236:16, 239:15, 259:10,
                                           MORNING [13] - 157:22, 219:17,              187:13, 214:19, 214:25, 238:25
 260:9
                                            258:11, 258:12, 281:6, 283:6, 283:10,     MS [226] - 132:6, 132:9, 133:10, 133:19,
MIDDLE [3] - 215:22, 221:22, 222:22
                                            287:13, 287:14, 290:23, 291:1, 297:23      133:23, 134:10, 134:12, 136:5, 136:6,
MIDWEST [1] - 204:11
                                           MORTGAGE [1] - 208:16                       136:10, 137:4, 145:8, 145:11, 147:7,
MIGHT [4] - 139:17, 146:10, 158:2,
                                           MOST [5] - 174:4, 258:14, 262:7, 278:5,     147:13, 155:21, 155:22, 161:6,
 252:19
                                            287:4                                      164:14, 165:3, 165:4, 180:25, 181:6,
MILITARY [2] - 166:19, 166:21
                                           MOTION [9] - 211:16, 254:18, 254:22,        183:24, 184:3, 184:13, 186:5, 186:9,
MILLIONS [1] - 200:18
                                            255:14, 259:4, 259:23, 260:1, 261:5,       187:17, 187:19, 191:24, 192:1,
MIND [3] - 232:1, 301:8, 302:11
                                            292:16                                     192:14, 192:15, 192:16, 192:18,
MINE [2] - 151:22, 300:9
                                           MOTIONS [5] - 258:6, 258:7, 259:2,          193:2, 193:3, 194:3, 194:5, 194:18,
MINOR [1] - 260:11
                                            261:8, 262:6                               194:20, 195:18, 195:24, 195:25,
MINUTE [4] - 163:23, 211:23, 243:13,
                                           MOUTH [2] - 277:8, 280:21                   196:13, 196:17, 197:6, 197:9, 200:23,
 252:19
                                           MOVE [23] - 145:13, 148:5, 156:7,           205:16, 205:18, 205:22, 205:23,
MINUTES [10] - 226:8, 254:16, 275:15,                                                  206:12, 206:13, 208:4, 208:9, 210:6,
 275:17, 283:6, 291:11, 291:18,             158:17, 158:18, 164:12, 170:25,
                                            195:23, 211:13, 214:22, 214:25,            210:15, 210:18, 210:23, 210:25,
 291:19, 292:4                                                                         211:13, 211:19, 212:21, 212:25,
MISIMPRESSION [1] - 255:1                   215:7, 229:21, 241:5, 242:3, 242:6,
                                            242:13, 245:11, 269:4, 275:5, 281:16,      213:6, 213:8, 213:22, 213:24, 214:5,
MISLEADING [1] - 283:11                                                                214:7, 216:15, 216:16, 220:13,
MISREMEMBER [1] - 294:13                    281:22
                                                                                       220:15, 225:22, 225:23, 229:21,
MISREMEMBERING [1] - 294:14                MOVED [3] - 149:5, 189:4, 215:8
                                                                                       229:25, 230:2, 230:4, 230:6, 230:13,
MISREPRESENTATIONS [1] - 233:17            MOVING [4] - 214:19, 215:3, 228:7,
                                                                                       230:14, 230:23, 231:1, 231:15,
                                            267:19
MISSING [6] - 282:7, 282:15, 282:21,                                                   231:17, 231:19, 234:20, 243:16,
                                           MR [177] - 134:1, 134:4, 134:11, 134:23,
 284:15, 289:12, 289:22                                                                245:11, 245:18, 245:20, 245:22,
                                            135:3, 136:8, 137:7, 137:15, 137:24,
MISSTATEMENT [1] - 261:10                                                              245:25, 246:12, 246:13, 247:5, 247:6,
                                            142:6, 142:9, 143:4, 143:6, 143:11,
MISSTATES [1] - 261:24                                                                 247:20, 247:21, 248:5, 248:6, 248:10,
                                            143:13, 143:22, 143:24, 145:9,
MISTAKE [1] - 134:19                                                                   248:11, 248:20, 248:21, 248:25,
                                            145:13, 145:14, 145:24, 146:2, 146:8,
MISUNDERSTANDING [1] - 261:11                                                          249:2, 249:8, 249:9, 250:5, 252:9,
                                            146:11, 147:9, 147:19, 147:20, 148:7,
MODEL [1] - 274:14                                                                     252:10, 252:23, 253:1, 254:15,
                                            148:10, 149:19, 149:23, 151:4,
MODIFIED [1] - 296:24                                                                  254:20, 255:23, 256:10, 256:21,
                                            151:10, 152:13, 152:15, 153:25,
MODIFY [1] - 296:5                                                                     257:11, 257:13, 257:15, 257:21,
                                            154:3, 155:19, 155:24, 156:1, 158:17,
MOMENT [21] - 134:6, 134:19, 136:15,                                                   257:23, 258:1, 258:5, 259:3, 259:9,
                                            158:20, 158:23, 158:25, 159:4, 159:6,
 200:7, 211:15, 225:22, 231:15,                                                        261:9, 262:18, 262:21, 263:9, 263:12,
                                            159:9, 159:12, 160:11, 160:12, 161:8,
 262:18, 263:5, 263:25, 267:19, 269:5,                                                 263:15, 263:17, 263:20, 264:3, 264:8,
                                            164:12, 164:17, 164:18, 165:1, 165:6,
 269:13, 272:2, 276:19, 282:23,                                                        264:10, 264:13, 264:16, 264:19,
                                            165:8, 165:15, 165:16, 165:20,
 284:11, 285:20, 286:20, 287:10, 300:4                                                 264:22, 265:6, 265:9, 265:16, 265:20,
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 266:2, 266:4, 266:8, 266:14, 266:15,     NINTH [1] - 282:17                       OFFICER [2] - 136:21, 287:17
 267:9, 267:10, 267:22, 268:9, 268:24,    NISSAN [1] - 153:24                      OFFICIAL [6] - 1:2, 1:3, 1:4, 1:8, 130:24,
 269:1, 269:11, 269:17, 270:12, 271:8,    NO [1] - 130:5                            303:15
 271:14, 272:4, 273:2, 274:11, 274:16,    NOBODY [1] - 264:3                       OFTEN [1] - 176:25
 275:7, 275:8, 276:1, 276:5, 276:7,       NON [1] - 211:14                         OFTENTIMES [1] - 237:20
 276:10, 276:17, 276:19, 278:3, 278:8,    NON-RESPONSIVE [1] - 211:14              OLD [2] - 188:10, 270:16
 279:18, 281:1, 281:25, 282:2, 282:25,    NONE [3] - 232:17, 251:16                OLDIE [1] - 271:12
 284:22, 285:1, 286:2, 286:17, 287:14,    NORTH [3] - 206:1, 206:4, 206:10         ON [3] - 130:14, 130:17, 130:20
 287:18, 287:25, 288:4, 288:6, 290:8,     NORTHERN [2] - 130:1, 303:4              ONCE [1] - 167:4
 291:16, 291:22, 292:2, 292:13,           NOTATIONS [1] - 154:19                   ONE [6] - 153:2, 156:5, 217:15, 217:18,
 293:21, 293:24, 294:5, 294:6, 294:9,     NOTED [3] - 259:1, 293:19, 300:25         218:16, 221:18
 294:14, 294:17, 294:21, 294:24,          NOTES [3] - 197:16, 272:2, 295:23        ONE [93] - 134:1, 134:18, 137:2, 138:6,
 294:25, 295:9, 295:21, 296:23, 297:9,    NOTHING [8] - 222:3, 231:17, 243:14,      138:12, 138:18, 141:24, 142:3,
 297:14, 297:18, 298:10, 299:1,            250:5, 257:11, 257:23, 261:17, 271:25    142:17, 152:21, 154:10, 154:21,
 299:17, 300:10, 301:2, 301:8, 301:13,                                              157:16, 157:19, 159:24, 160:17,
                                          NOTICE [3] - 151:11, 152:18, 189:1
 301:17, 301:25                                                                     167:25, 168:5, 170:1, 174:20, 175:3,
                                          NOVEMBER [1] - 202:3
MUELLER [2] - 267:13, 274:23                                                        175:20, 178:24, 181:16, 183:7,
                                          NUMBER [33] - 138:17, 154:20, 158:4,
MUELLER [1] - 297:19                                                                190:19, 190:25, 191:8, 191:14,
                                           158:7, 204:17, 207:2, 207:15, 219:6,
MUELLER [1] - 267:14                                                                194:15, 197:22, 207:12, 211:15,
                                           227:6, 227:9, 229:24, 233:6, 233:14,
MULTIPLE [4] - 195:2, 195:19, 266:18,      240:18, 248:2, 248:17, 249:6, 249:13,    217:4, 217:14, 217:21, 219:24,
 283:7                                     255:4, 260:19, 262:22, 262:25, 263:7,    220:11, 225:22, 228:2, 231:15, 235:7,
MUSEUM [1] - 204:9                         264:10, 265:13, 266:18, 267:21,          236:3, 236:16, 243:13, 254:15,
MUST [4] - 266:21, 267:6, 267:17, 270:4    268:22, 275:5, 296:1, 296:4              254:23, 254:25, 259:7, 260:11, 263:5,
                                          NUMBER [2] - 1:6, 1:7                     263:21, 263:25, 265:20, 265:22,
                   N                                                                265:24, 265:25, 267:19, 269:5, 269:6,
                                                                                    269:13, 272:2, 272:16, 272:25,
NAME [25] - 138:2, 138:3, 142:22,                           O
                                                                                    274:15, 274:23, 275:12, 276:19,
 148:12, 153:12, 158:21, 162:9,           O-R-R [2] - 276:13, 281:1                 279:24, 281:22, 282:23, 284:11,
 171:16, 174:22, 174:25, 175:20,          OATH [4] - 181:22, 185:20, 186:11,        285:1, 285:8, 285:19, 285:23, 286:20,
 189:15, 194:9, 198:2, 198:3, 198:5,       186:15                                   288:7, 290:6, 291:3, 291:6, 292:13,
 198:8, 199:18, 199:19, 220:19, 227:7,    OBJECT [7] - 185:22, 186:22, 196:9,       295:6, 295:19, 295:21, 298:15, 299:5,
 227:10, 247:12, 247:17, 280:25            197:2, 209:20, 245:14, 293:15            299:18, 300:4, 301:21, 302:6
NARRATIVE [1] - 277:2                     OBJECTION [32] - 145:8, 147:7, 147:13,   ONES [5] - 211:12, 262:23, 266:4,
NATURE [10] - 147:5, 148:3, 176:23,        155:21, 155:22, 161:6, 164:14, 165:2,    266:6, 278:1
 179:24, 185:3, 251:1, 251:17, 270:25,     165:4, 184:1, 186:24, 187:1, 195:23,    ONLINE [2] - 278:12, 278:21
 277:2, 277:17                             209:25, 210:2, 210:21, 230:1, 230:2,    ONLY [2] - 1:3, 1:7
NEAR [1] - 165:18                          234:20, 245:15, 245:24, 266:7, 266:8,   OPEN [4] - 204:10, 204:15, 222:8, 302:7
NECESSARY [7] - 133:8, 133:16,             268:19, 274:22, 276:4, 277:20, 281:4,   OPEN [1] - 132:1
 133:18, 136:4, 269:20, 270:3, 281:12      281:15, 281:17, 281:23, 300:15          OPENED [2] - 198:1, 222:20
NEED [28] - 132:16, 133:8, 179:19,        OBJECTIONABLE [2] - 293:15, 298:15       OPENING [1] - 198:8
 208:18, 208:19, 212:3, 218:19, 225:3,    OBJECTIONS [1] - 300:19                  OPINION [2] - 264:12, 274:2
 241:5, 252:14, 264:22, 265:3, 265:12,    OBJECTIVE [1] - 277:3                    OPPORTUNITY [3] - 132:3, 184:4,
 265:18, 266:5, 269:10, 275:5, 275:19,    OBTAINED [5] - 185:4, 211:9, 222:25,
 287:21, 289:24, 291:11, 292:6, 292:7,                                              209:23
                                           223:1, 251:1                            OPTIONS [1] - 227:3
 292:10, 297:21, 298:21, 300:1
                                          OBVIOUSLY [8] - 153:15, 266:24,          OR [1] - 1:9
NEEDED [5] - 173:11, 200:4, 215:7,         268:4, 278:4, 281:17, 284:16, 286:18,   ORDER [13] - 151:14, 152:25, 217:3,
 218:21, 220:7                             295:16
NEEDS [4] - 271:4, 296:12, 296:20,                                                  230:11, 232:22, 233:3, 266:17,
                                          OCCASIONALLY [2] - 174:10, 176:15         269:12, 270:4, 276:2, 300:25, 301:18,
 297:2
                                          OF [10] - 1:2, 1:5, 1:6, 130:1, 130:4,    302:5
NEGATIVE [1] - 293:4                       130:9, 130:14, 130:17, 130:20, 303:4    ORDERED [1] - 301:5
NEUTRAL [1] - 277:9                       OFF-THE-RECORD [3] - 134:7, 212:14,
NEVER [7] - 163:12, 191:16, 214:11,                                                ORDERS [1] - 209:23
                                           263:6                                   ORGANIZATION [1] - 149:7
 222:18, 223:1, 232:14, 272:19            OFFENSE [2] - 260:17, 269:22
NEW [3] - 291:2, 291:3, 302:4                                                      ORGANIZATIONAL [1] - 172:25
                                          OFFENSES [1] - 296:3                     ORGANIZERS [1] - 172:5
NEXT [12] - 152:13, 153:25, 155:24,       OFFERED [2] - 145:11, 226:20
 175:20, 218:9, 250:17, 275:2, 281:22,                                             ORIGINAL [1] - 269:7
                                          OFFERS [1] - 267:5                       ORR [1] - 281:2
 282:9, 296:16, 296:23, 297:8
                                          OFFHAND [5] - 140:20, 157:7, 203:24,     ORR [2] - 276:12, 281:2
NICE [1] - 239:19
                                           204:25, 205:8                           ORR [6] - 278:9, 279:4, 279:12, 281:1,
NIGHT [2] - 258:13, 265:25
                                          OFFICE [2] - 177:5, 283:8                 281:7, 281:11
NINE [1] - 283:9
                                          OFFICER [2] - 134:14, 275:21             OURSELVES [1] - 300:2
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OUT-OF-COURT [1] - 145:11                 PASS [1] - 245:16                        PERSUASIVE [3] - 278:7, 281:7, 290:1
OUTSIDE [2] - 134:5, 180:20               PASSWORD [1] - 178:20                    PETITION [1] - 140:2
OVERNIGHT [1] - 177:12                    PAST [5] - 172:3, 186:19, 211:10,        PHONE [7] - 190:1, 212:11, 227:18,
OVERRULED [5] - 186:8, 187:18,             241:16, 265:23                           227:19, 229:1, 242:17, 242:19
 196:16, 197:8, 246:11                    PASTE [1] - 198:16                       PHOTO [1] - 167:10
OWN [7] - 177:5, 214:9, 214:13, 214:17,   PATTERN [6] - 246:4, 269:15, 270:14,     PHOTOGRAPHS [7] - 164:6, 164:9,
 218:24, 218:25, 255:20                    270:16, 270:19, 270:23                   164:16, 167:13, 203:10, 203:12, 204:6
OWNED [2] - 153:9, 207:19                 PAUSE [3] - 172:25, 285:21, 290:7        PHOTOS [4] - 164:19, 167:25, 205:13,
OWNER [6] - 141:16, 151:22, 183:8,        PAUSE [1] - 259:8                         206:8
 207:24, 208:11                           PAUSING [1] - 290:13                     PHRASED [3] - 279:2, 279:4, 279:5
OWNERS [1] - 141:24                       PAY [15] - 151:14, 152:8, 175:23,        PICK [2] - 173:25, 174:10
OWNERSHIP [1] - 270:25                     191:19, 196:22, 199:17, 199:19,         PICKED [1] - 211:11
OWNS [3] - 151:19, 169:24, 185:9           199:22, 216:7, 218:25, 219:25, 220:4,   PICTURE [12] - 165:9, 165:10, 167:22,
                                           221:16, 237:23, 238:3                    203:14, 205:20, 205:24, 206:14,
                   P                      PAYABLE [2] - 153:1, 154:12               207:3, 207:11, 244:1, 244:2, 244:4
                                          PAYCHECK [1] - 216:5                     PICTURES [7] - 164:4, 203:24, 204:16,
P.M [15] - 134:15, 134:20, 136:22,
                                          PAYEE [1] - 151:14                        204:17, 207:5, 209:12, 244:6
 211:25, 212:1, 212:15, 212:16,
                                          PAYING [3] - 153:19, 153:21, 219:1       PIECE [2] - 271:20, 278:25
 252:21, 255:24, 255:25, 256:4,
                                          PAYMENT [9] - 153:19, 153:20, 154:14,    PIN [1] - 265:3
 258:24, 275:22, 275:23, 302:13
                                           175:3, 175:6, 175:22, 186:12, 214:16,   PLACARD [1] - 240:18
PACKETS [1] - 189:21
                                           221:8                                   PLACE [4] - 164:22, 237:14, 275:14,
PAGE [36] - 131:2, 143:23, 149:21,
                                          PAYMENTS [2] - 201:2, 211:6               291:3
 172:17, 172:18, 174:2, 174:15,
                                          PAYOFF [1] - 153:20                      PLACED [2] - 181:22, 277:7
 174:19, 183:19, 183:20, 193:9, 198:4,
                                          PAYROLL [36] - 169:1, 169:21, 182:10,    PLACES [1] - 218:19
 198:14, 212:23, 213:22, 228:16,
                                           183:13, 184:21, 184:24, 185:5,          PLAN [1] - 239:1
 230:23, 230:24, 230:25, 231:2,
                                           185:21, 185:25, 186:3, 186:13, 187:5,   PLANNED [1] - 298:1
 235:13, 235:17, 243:20, 243:21,
                                           218:14, 218:21, 219:25, 238:20,         PLANNING [3] - 166:11, 232:25, 281:13
 244:13, 244:18, 244:20, 250:7,
                                           238:21, 238:22, 238:23, 239:3, 245:1,   PLANS [3] - 165:25, 166:2, 205:4
 250:10, 250:17, 250:18, 269:8, 273:22
                                           245:4, 246:5, 248:2, 248:17, 249:6,     PLAY [1] - 278:16
PAGE [1] - 1:7
                                           249:13, 250:23, 250:24, 251:2,          PLAYED [1] - 191:2
PAGES [1] - 303:6
                                           251:18, 251:19                          PLAYING [1] - 278:21
PAID [3] - 152:25, 162:21, 182:9
                                          PAYROLL-RELATED [1] - 169:21             PLEA [23] - 182:14, 182:18, 182:19,
PANAMA [3] - 206:1, 206:4, 206:10
                                          PDF [1] - 1:2                             182:25, 183:17, 184:5, 195:1, 195:4,
PANDEMIC [9] - 204:1, 204:2, 204:3,
                                          PEACE [1] - 204:6                         238:11, 238:17, 239:7, 244:9, 244:10,
 204:4, 208:21, 208:22, 215:22,
                                          PECULIARLY [5] - 282:14, 288:13,          245:8, 250:10, 251:9, 251:11, 264:23,
 221:22, 222:22
                                           288:19, 288:23, 289:4                    264:25, 267:24, 268:2, 268:5, 268:13
PANNED [1] - 295:8
                                          PENNY [2] - 130:24, 303:15               PLEAD [1] - 180:8
PARAGRAPH [10] - 250:16, 250:17,
                                          PENULTIMATE [1] - 133:8                  PLEADED [5] - 181:19, 181:22, 182:13,
 269:7, 296:6, 296:13, 296:19, 296:23,
                                          PEOPLE [17] - 169:17, 176:7, 187:7,       182:17, 254:25
 296:24, 297:11, 297:13
                                           195:9, 199:11, 214:20, 214:21,          PLEADING [1] - 138:12
PARALEGALS [1] - 297:24
                                           237:23, 238:3, 255:4, 255:5, 256:24,    PLEAS [1] - 254:19
PARAPHRASING [1] - 237:12
                                           257:3, 257:5, 278:16, 278:17            PLED [3] - 138:16, 159:25, 180:4
PARDON [6] - 163:13, 190:9, 191:10,
                                          PERCEIVES [1] - 201:4                    PLUS [1] - 160:14
 206:3, 223:17, 224:5
                                          PERCENT [1] - 154:17                     PM [2] - 130:6, 132:1
PART [14] - 151:22, 154:18, 156:24,
                                          PERHAPS [3] - 274:14, 285:23, 287:5      PNC [2] - 159:3, 159:19
 171:1, 178:2, 181:14, 182:5, 183:1,
                                          PERIOD [1] - 1:5                         PO [3] - 173:24, 174:1, 174:8
 260:7, 270:24, 280:14, 284:25, 285:3,
                                          PERIOD [3] - 172:14, 229:15, 246:25      POINT [26] - 136:4, 138:12, 143:7,
 290:18
                                          PERIODS [1] - 293:14                      145:16, 150:21, 153:21, 169:3, 172:3,
PARTIAL [1] - 1:9
                                          PERMANENTLY [1] - 188:14                  176:14, 188:14, 191:14, 202:12,
PARTICIPANT [2] - 259:22, 279:11
                                          PERMITTED [2] - 279:15, 283:21            202:19, 203:3, 209:21, 215:24, 216:5,
PARTICIPATING [1] - 179:9
                                          PERSON [9] - 144:8, 151:23, 185:9,        220:3, 221:14, 228:23, 251:25,
PARTICULAR [8] - 146:3, 151:1,
                                           190:3, 192:4, 242:17, 246:7, 259:18,     258:19, 261:9, 262:17, 281:6, 293:18
 193:24, 201:23, 203:22, 240:7,
                                           289:1                                   POLICE [1] - 198:20
 240:15, 288:12
                                          PERSON'S [1] - 158:21                    POLICYHOLDER [1] - 175:25
PARTICULARLY [3] - 283:1, 285:8,
                                          PERSONAL [2] - 150:11, 227:9             PORTION [1] - 1:5
 286:21
                                          PERSONALLY [3] - 190:3, 191:17,          PORTION [2] - 146:10, 171:16
PARTIES [5] - 265:17, 265:23, 285:8,
                                           226:25                                  POSITION [4] - 210:1, 288:1, 293:11,
 286:6, 286:8
                                          PERSONAS [1] - 278:16                     301:15
PARTIES' [3] - 262:13, 299:15, 299:23
                                          PERSONS [1] - 164:10                     POSITIONS [3] - 234:15, 292:17, 292:18
PARTY [1] - 286:12
                                          PERSPECTIVE [2] - 271:12, 271:13
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POSITIVE [1] - 154:23                     PROGRAM [1] - 239:2                       207:18
POSSIBLY [4] - 141:1, 157:2, 164:5,       PROHIBITED [1] - 1:9                     PURPORTED [1] - 279:25
 200:2                                    PROJECT [50] - 144:18, 145:2, 145:7,     PURPOSE [16] - 145:16, 152:6, 160:19,
POTENTIAL [1] - 267:3                      149:4, 149:6, 150:18, 150:20, 156:22,    183:13, 184:20, 184:24, 186:11,
POWER [2] - 283:1, 286:22                  156:25, 157:2, 157:3, 160:21, 161:5,     221:10, 244:25, 245:4, 250:22,
PPP [64] - 141:6, 143:8, 144:3, 144:16,    161:17, 161:18, 161:24, 162:13,          250:24, 260:6, 269:24, 269:25, 271:2
 145:19, 146:15, 146:19, 146:23,           162:17, 163:1, 165:12, 166:7, 168:25,   PURPOSES [4] - 166:22, 173:7, 176:19,
 151:2, 160:3, 164:23, 179:23, 182:6,      169:1, 169:15, 169:18, 169:22, 170:7,    251:19
 185:4, 189:12, 189:16, 189:18, 190:4,     170:14, 182:10, 189:8, 201:23,          PURSUANT [3] - 229:22, 238:6, 245:13
 190:7, 190:15, 191:5, 197:4, 202:6,       204:21, 205:5, 209:7, 211:5, 214:10,    PUT [23] - 154:20, 165:15, 165:20,
 208:18, 208:23, 208:25, 209:2,            215:3, 215:5, 217:10, 217:18, 218:15,    168:3, 168:11, 169:9, 169:10, 177:25,
 214:20, 221:25, 229:11, 229:14,           226:14, 228:24, 234:12, 237:14,          178:11, 186:23, 186:25, 194:3,
 229:17, 230:15, 231:13, 232:5, 232:6,     239:2, 241:23, 242:23, 243:10            198:11, 265:3, 268:4, 273:22, 276:7,
 232:22, 232:24, 233:10, 233:17,          PROJECTS [4] - 152:9, 200:13, 200:18,     281:18, 285:14, 290:23, 293:10,
 233:20, 236:21, 241:12, 242:10,           237:20                                   293:17, 298:14
 246:1, 246:14, 246:20, 247:24, 248:7,    PROMISE [1] - 256:22                     PUTTING [2] - 280:21, 280:24
 248:14, 249:3, 249:5, 249:10, 250:2,     PRONOUN [1] - 144:21                     PYFROM [9] - 254:24, 255:7, 257:8,
 251:1, 251:24, 257:9, 261:15, 272:9,     PROOF [1] - 260:10                        259:18, 292:18, 292:21, 292:24,
 272:15, 273:10, 273:12, 279:7            PROOF [1] - 274:24                        293:1, 293:12
PREFER [1] - 301:4                        PROPER [2] - 165:13, 291:6               PYFROM-FOSTER [6] - 254:24, 255:7,
PRELIMINARILY [1] - 261:4                 PROPERTIES [1] - 203:21                   257:8, 259:18, 292:21, 293:12
PREMATURE [1] - 260:15                    PROPERTY [14] - 205:10, 206:20,          PYFROM-FOSTER'S [3] - 292:18,
PREPARATION [1] - 146:22                   207:15, 207:18, 207:21, 208:7,           292:24, 293:1
PREPARE [5] - 143:8, 191:5, 191:18,        208:11, 208:17, 239:25, 240:6,
 191:19, 294:9                             243:24, 244:4, 244:5, 260:20                               Q
PREPARING [1] - 247:2                     PROPOSED [8] - 260:17, 277:12,
                                                                                   QUESTIONING [4] - 136:18, 196:10,
PRESENCE [2] - 283:20, 283:24              278:23, 279:14, 282:25, 299:15,
                                                                                    212:20, 246:1
PRESENT [3] - 133:22, 137:9, 150:8         299:23, 300:3
                                                                                   QUESTIONS [37] - 132:13, 132:17,
PRESENTED [4] - 209:15, 211:9,            PROSECUTION [2] - 289:12, 290:4
                                                                                    133:7, 133:16, 133:17, 136:3, 138:22,
 264:17, 284:1                            PROSECUTOR [3] - 239:12, 240:20,
                                                                                    141:12, 147:16, 148:11, 179:10,
PRESENTING [1] - 255:5                     242:15
                                                                                    185:23, 186:6, 187:3, 187:11, 188:21,
PRESUMPTION [1] - 301:6                   PROSECUTOR'S [1] - 289:15
                                                                                    210:11, 218:20, 231:19, 232:5, 234:9,
PRETRIAL [1] - 294:12                     PROSECUTORIAL [4] - 289:8, 289:14,
                                                                                    236:19, 238:9, 238:13, 238:15,
PRETTY [8] - 149:4, 149:6, 162:20,         289:24, 290:3
                                                                                    238:20, 238:21, 239:12, 239:24,
 162:22, 179:25, 180:1, 180:9, 200:6      PROTECTION [1] - 216:6
                                                                                    240:21, 253:10, 255:3, 256:24,
PREVIOUS [1] - 180:7                      PROVE [3] - 182:22, 269:8, 272:10         257:22, 272:18, 283:21
PREVIOUSLY [7] - 143:15, 151:13,          PROVED [1] - 259:15                      QUICK [1] - 300:5
 178:1, 199:13, 203:4, 256:14, 291:17     PROVEN [4] - 259:10, 260:20, 261:16,     QUICKER [1] - 236:6
PRIMARILY [1] - 260:8                      277:17
                                                                                   QUICKLY [1] - 228:7
PRIMARY [1] - 143:19                      PROVIDE [3] - 197:16, 211:8, 236:17
                                                                                   QUITE [4] - 139:6, 149:1, 278:10,
PRINTED [1] - 153:12                      PROVIDED [7] - 192:10, 192:13,
                                                                                    279:13
PRINTING [1] - 154:19                      207:13, 208:5, 211:4, 284:3, 289:7
                                                                                   QUOTATION [1] - 284:13
PRINTOUT [3] - 155:12, 155:14, 294:1      PROVIDING [2] - 183:23, 277:9
                                                                                   QUOTE [1] - 282:3
PRITTY [2] - 130:24, 303:15               PUBLISH [9] - 165:7, 192:16, 193:2,
                                                                                   QUOTED [2] - 280:17, 284:13
PRIVATE [2] - 207:23, 207:24               194:18, 212:22, 216:15, 230:5,
PRIVATELY [1] - 207:19                     230:13, 248:5
PROBLEM [1] - 301:13                      PULL [27] - 142:6, 143:11, 145:24,
                                                                                                      R
PROCEED [1] - 181:7                        148:9, 149:19, 149:20, 149:22, 151:4,   RAISED [4] - 145:3, 261:9, 269:9,
PROCEEDING [2] - 251:11, 254:21            151:9, 152:14, 158:18, 159:5, 169:12,    295:20
PROCEEDINGS [7] - 211:25, 212:15,          171:1, 171:13, 172:7, 172:18, 174:5,    RAISES [1] - 277:12
 255:24, 259:8, 275:22, 302:13, 303:7      174:15, 178:3, 191:24, 205:14,          RANGE [1] - 164:23
PROCEEDINGS [2] - 130:9, 132:1             205:16, 210:23, 218:17, 231:23,         RAPHAEL [2] - 282:4, 288:7
PROCEEDS [6] - 147:1, 151:1, 160:3,        236:20                                  RAPID [1] - 278:14
 185:4, 251:2, 271:1                      PULLED [5] - 240:3, 244:1, 244:3,        RATIONAL [1] - 262:9
PROCESS [1] - 144:16                       284:18, 288:6                           RE [1] - 136:17
PROCESSED [1] - 246:7                     PULLING [2] - 214:21, 284:9              RE-SWEAR [1] - 136:17
PROCESSES [1] - 287:22                    PURCHASE [4] - 144:18, 150:14,           REA [1] - 259:11
PROCESSING [1] - 144:7                     156:22, 186:17                          REACH [1] - 243:8
PROFESSIONAL [2] - 234:10, 237:13         PURCHASED [2] - 150:14, 221:16           REACHES [1] - 280:7
PROGRAM [1] - 216:6                       PURCHASING [3] - 150:16, 164:5,          REACT [2] - 140:21, 234:23
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READ [12] - 182:25, 183:20, 228:18,       232:3, 250:8, 256:20                    RENOVATIONS [3] - 156:6, 156:20,
 250:16, 265:2, 267:7, 281:5, 281:8,     REDIRECT [1] - 231:20                     156:21
 291:6, 291:14, 302:8, 302:9             REFER [1] - 148:16                       RENT [1] - 166:16
READING [2] - 284:9, 284:10              REFERENCE [3] - 144:23, 261:13,          REPARTEE [1] - 278:14
READY [9] - 134:5, 134:8, 219:9,          261:19                                  REPEAT [3] - 150:3, 182:16, 200:21
 219:12, 224:10, 256:1, 298:1, 298:5,    REFERENCED [1] - 235:7                   REPORTER [4] - 1:4, 1:8, 130:24,
 299:6                                   REFERENCES [1] - 266:20                   303:15
REAL [25] - 161:18, 170:12, 182:10,      REFERENCING [1] - 1:7                    REPORTER [1] - 138:3
 198:10, 203:8, 205:9, 207:17, 210:10,   REFERRING [2] - 144:21, 150:19           REPORTS [1] - 198:20
 217:10, 217:18, 225:3, 226:13,          REFERS [2] - 261:12, 264:25              REPRESENT [2] - 135:14, 296:21
 227:11, 227:16, 228:24, 230:10,         REFLECT [1] - 155:14                     REPRESENTATIONS [2] - 164:9, 187:9
 232:21, 232:24, 233:2, 234:18,          REFLECTING [1] - 199:8                   REPRESENTING [1] - 229:2
 242:22, 243:9, 243:23, 244:5, 246:2     REFRESH [13] - 183:16, 184:14, 191:22,   REPUTATION [1] - 264:12
REALITY [3] - 184:23, 245:3, 250:23       192:19, 193:5, 195:6, 196:5, 196:18,    REQUEST [17] - 260:19, 262:22,
REALLY [11] - 141:4, 167:4, 194:17,       198:15, 239:23, 240:4, 240:6, 240:14     265:14, 270:10, 271:24, 272:4,
 195:18, 215:4, 215:5, 234:12, 239:16,   REFUSAL [2] - 282:6, 284:14               274:18, 275:11, 283:5, 285:14,
 241:25, 268:18, 274:11                  REFUSED [1] - 283:16                      285:16, 291:19, 291:22, 296:1, 296:3,
REALM [1] - 280:24                       REFUSING [1] - 277:5                      297:6, 300:8
REASON [4] - 193:17, 193:22, 284:4,      REGARDING [3] - 284:12, 300:3, 302:6     REQUESTED [10] - 191:14, 262:25,
 288:2                                   REGULAR [3] - 149:15, 177:23              278:9, 278:10, 279:18, 285:13,
REASONABLE [3] - 260:10, 260:20,         REGULARLY [1] - 270:20                    285:21, 290:6, 291:18, 292:2
 262:9                                   RELATED [17] - 141:6, 148:9, 158:9,      REQUESTING [1] - 158:6
REASONS [2] - 176:19, 176:22              161:5, 169:21, 187:4, 187:5, 207:7,     REQUESTS [2] - 266:12, 275:25
REBUTTAL [11] - 254:14, 254:24, 255:8,    211:5, 233:17, 235:25, 236:7, 238:20,   REQUIRE [2] - 270:14, 277:15
 255:17, 255:22, 256:9, 258:1, 258:4,     238:22, 239:7, 243:9, 260:12            REQUIREMENTS [1] - 287:20
 258:5, 258:7                            RELATES [1] - 196:15                     REQUIRES [1] - 283:7
RECEIVE [1] - 258:10                     RELATIONSHIP [1] - 138:23                REQUIRING [1] - 289:11
RECEIVED [6] - 179:2, 179:5, 179:13,     RELAYED [1] - 187:11                     REQUISITE [1] - 259:11
 189:20, 265:15, 272:17                  RELEASE [1] - 258:13                     RESEARCH [1] - 258:21
RECEIVING [1] - 191:3                    RELEVANCE [2] - 196:10, 245:24           RESEARCHING [1] - 284:23
RECENT [1] - 278:5                       RELEVANT [4] - 197:3, 245:15, 288:16,    RESERVATION [54] - 141:7, 141:11,
RECESS [7] - 211:25, 212:15, 255:24,      293:14                                   141:13, 141:25, 142:4, 143:8, 143:18,
 275:14, 275:19, 275:22, 302:13          RELIES [1] - 288:18                       144:4, 145:20, 146:16, 146:23, 147:5,
RECOGNIZE [9] - 142:10, 152:16,          REMAINING [3] - 259:20, 262:1, 300:9      158:15, 160:5, 161:23, 178:16, 182:9,
 154:4, 155:7, 159:17, 163:25, 213:1,    REMEMBER [47] - 138:9, 138:12,            183:8, 183:11, 183:12, 184:16,
 214:3, 237:3                             138:15, 145:15, 145:18, 154:21,          184:23, 185:10, 186:2, 186:12, 187:9,
RECOLLECTION [9] - 183:16, 193:6,         160:14, 160:15, 167:16, 169:9,           187:21, 190:16, 191:9, 191:11,
 196:5, 196:18, 198:15, 239:24, 240:4,    170:13, 173:2, 182:13, 182:17,           191:20, 192:8, 193:7, 194:22, 196:12,
 240:6, 240:14                            182:21, 182:24, 183:4, 183:6, 185:15,    213:9, 214:23, 215:10, 220:17,
RECOMMEND [1] - 162:1                     185:23, 187:22, 189:13, 189:15,          221:23, 221:25, 222:16, 222:18,
RECORD [25] - 132:2, 132:16, 134:6,       194:23, 195:1, 199:25, 203:17,           222:22, 222:24, 226:17, 229:11,
 134:7, 185:9, 187:1, 212:9, 212:10,      203:20, 203:23, 204:14, 211:1, 217:3,    244:16, 244:22, 245:3, 246:8, 246:22,
 212:13, 212:14, 253:12, 254:12,          224:9, 224:17, 224:19, 225:17, 235:4,    250:21, 250:23
 259:2, 263:4, 263:6, 273:15, 275:17,     237:17, 238:13, 238:15, 240:1,          RESIDENCE [3] - 177:3, 177:23, 178:8
 281:18, 283:14, 285:15, 290:19,          241:25, 243:17, 249:23, 273:17,         RESIDUAL [1] - 166:17
 290:23, 293:10, 293:17, 299:22           294:17, 294:20                          RESOLVED [1] - 262:23
RECORD'S [1] - 268:21                    REMEMBERED [1] - 195:4                   RESOURCE [48] - 148:14, 148:15,
RECORDED [1] - 130:23                    REMINDED [1] - 258:14                     148:19, 152:4, 156:25, 158:2, 158:8,
RECORDINGS [3] - 189:22, 190:25          REMINDER [1] - 299:10                     159:19, 160:10, 160:19, 160:20,
RECORDS [3] - 209:23, 224:3, 224:7       REMITTER [3] - 151:23, 152:23, 154:10     161:23, 162:5, 162:24, 169:23, 182:9,
RECROSS [4] - 131:5, 131:9, 243:15,      REMOVED [1] - 265:4                       183:12, 184:17, 185:24, 185:25,
 257:14                                  REMOVING [1] - 268:19                     186:13, 187:5, 187:13, 199:14,
RECROSS-EXAMINATION [2] - 243:15,        RENEW [6] - 255:13, 255:16, 259:4,        199:18, 211:6, 213:10, 219:6, 220:17,
 257:14                                   260:1, 292:16                            221:6, 229:18, 230:16, 232:8, 232:23,
RECROSS-EXAMINATION...................   RENEWED [2] - 259:2, 259:23               233:7, 238:22, 239:2, 239:4, 240:23,
 .....243 [1] - 131:5                    RENOVATE [1] - 166:16                     244:17, 244:22, 246:2, 249:10,
RECROSS-EXAMINATION................      RENOVATED [1] - 218:5                     249:19, 250:2, 250:21, 251:18, 251:24
 257 [1] - 131:9                         RENOVATING [1] - 164:5                   RESOURCE'S [1] - 213:20
RED [2] - 157:23, 157:24                 RENOVATION [3] - 162:10, 205:5,          RESPECT [2] - 239:6, 299:21
REDIRECT [6] - 131:5, 131:6, 131:8,       218:2                                   RESPECTIVE [1] - 287:22
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RESPOND [4] - 188:21, 188:23, 218:13,      160:13, 167:25, 168:5, 204:14,           229:9, 230:7, 244:21, 246:14, 247:7,
 218:18                                    240:17, 265:25                           247:24, 248:7, 248:14, 249:5, 250:20,
RESPONDED [3] - 187:15, 191:15,           SCALE [1] - 200:13                        265:23, 284:18, 285:2, 294:10, 296:7,
 227:16                                   SCENES [1] - 164:10                       296:8
RESPONDING [2] - 218:12, 279:13           SCHEDULING [1] - 160:21                  SENTENCE [2] - 282:9, 284:19
RESPONSE [8] - 210:14, 218:8, 224:10,     SCHOOL [1] - 248:8                       SENTENCING [3] - 187:8, 292:18,
 224:12, 224:13, 245:23, 245:25, 261:8    SCOUT [1] - 203:21                        292:24
RESPONSES [1] - 238:16                    SCREEN [2] - 157:13, 244:7               SEPARATE [2] - 251:21
RESPONSIBILITIES [1] - 162:16             SCRIVENER [1] - 301:23                   SEPARATED [1] - 202:3
RESPONSIBLE [1] - 180:12                  SCROLL [2] - 193:8, 213:7                SEPARATELY [1] - 212:8
RESPONSIVE [1] - 211:14                   SCROLLING [1] - 270:21                   SEPTEMBER [1] - 235:18
REST [9] - 133:22, 136:15, 206:8,         SEAL [1] - 265:21                        SERIES [1] - 283:21
 254:12, 255:13, 255:21, 262:2, 267:7,    SEARCH [1] - 209:23                      SERVE [3] - 282:7, 282:21, 284:15
 267:18                                   SEATED [8] - 134:16, 134:24, 135:9,      SERVICES [44] - 148:14, 148:15,
RESTATE [1] - 291:1                        136:23, 212:18, 252:22, 256:5, 258:25    148:19, 152:4, 156:25, 158:2, 160:10,
RESTRICTED [1] - 1:4                      SECOND [18] - 143:22, 155:6, 155:11,      160:19, 160:20, 161:23, 162:5,
RESTS [2] - 137:4, 256:7                   155:25, 157:16, 158:9, 158:14,           162:25, 182:10, 183:12, 184:17,
RESWORN [1] - 137:20                       159:18, 174:18, 174:20, 193:8,           185:24, 185:25, 186:13, 187:5,
RETAINER [1] - 237:25                      217:14, 231:2, 259:7, 263:21, 284:19,    187:13, 199:14, 199:18, 211:6,
RETIRED [3] - 188:12, 188:17, 189:7        296:19, 297:11                           213:10, 219:7, 220:17, 221:6, 229:18,
REVERSE [1] - 301:18                      SECOND [1] - 282:16                       230:16, 232:8, 232:24, 233:7, 238:22,
REVERSES [1] - 302:4                      SECRET [2] - 141:2, 280:1                 239:2, 239:4, 240:23, 244:17, 244:23,
REVERSING [1] - 241:4                     SECRETS [7] - 141:3, 180:17, 180:19,      246:2, 249:11, 249:19, 250:3, 251:18,
REVIEW [5] - 184:4, 184:10, 250:10,        202:10, 202:20, 203:4, 236:14            251:25
 290:9, 291:10                            SECURE [1] - 170:14                      SERVICES [7] - 183:14, 184:21, 184:25,
REVIEWING [3] - 184:14, 189:21,           SECURED [2] - 167:4, 241:22               245:1, 245:5, 250:23, 250:25
 297:22                                   SECURITY [1] - 198:25                    SESSION [1] - 130:6
REVISE [1] - 291:19                       SEE [46] - 142:14, 143:16, 146:3,        SET [2] - 239:2, 277:14
RICHARDS [1] - 279:21                      147:21, 150:8, 151:14, 155:10,          SETS [1] - 160:18
RICKY [3] - 283:2, 286:22, 302:7           157:16, 158:21, 159:1, 159:4, 159:7,    SEVENTH [1] - 282:18
RIDING [2] - 167:15, 239:20                159:13, 165:11, 168:19, 171:3, 171:5,   SEVERAL [9] - 195:15, 203:18, 205:1,
RIGHTS [6] - 132:17, 135:1, 135:21,        171:7, 171:16, 171:19, 172:10,           209:2, 210:10, 223:13, 227:22, 235:2,
 135:22, 254:7, 287:8                      172:14, 172:20, 174:22, 184:9,           274:1
RIOS [1] - 288:9                           191:22, 192:25, 193:1, 193:8, 194:1,    SHAMBLES [1] - 170:9
RISE [1] - 289:16                          194:15, 196:10, 204:13, 205:21,         SHAPED [1] - 204:22
RMR [2] - 130:24, 303:15                   206:18, 206:22, 222:14, 236:4,          SHEET [1] - 146:9
ROADRUNNER [2] - 171:24, 173:23            236:25, 239:23, 240:3, 250:6, 257:18,   SHIT [1] - 273:13
RODE [1] - 167:15                          258:23, 265:25, 299:25                  SHIT [6] - 230:10, 230:11, 232:21,
ROLE [4] - 277:9, 278:16, 278:21, 280:1   SEEING [1] - 150:1                        233:2, 234:18
ROOM [1] - 177:5                          SEEM [1] - 277:22                        SHORT [5] - 188:19, 227:20, 242:25,
ROUTING [3] - 158:4, 158:7, 221:5         SELECTED [1] - 163:4                      275:14, 279:19
RUDE [1] - 207:8                          SELECTIVE [1] - 284:12                   SHORT-TERM [1] - 188:19
RULE [10] - 229:23, 245:13, 255:13,       SELF [1] - 253:14                        SHORTER [2] - 256:22, 292:11
 259:4, 259:23, 260:1, 260:16, 261:4,     SELF-INCRIMINATION [1] - 253:14          SHORTLY [1] - 272:16
 261:23                                   SELLING [1] - 209:4                      SHOW [13] - 155:5, 163:20, 163:22,
RULE [2] - 271:25, 282:15                 SEND [1] - 157:25                         167:7, 170:24, 183:10, 194:8, 206:8,
RULES [1] - 179:20                        SEND [9] - 159:7, 159:20, 192:20,         226:20, 235:7, 246:3, 285:9, 285:12
RULING [1] - 281:4                         197:20, 220:1, 224:10, 295:15,          SHOWED [11] - 170:12, 183:16, 200:4,
                                           298:11, 298:20                           207:12, 211:1, 216:9, 223:9, 225:4,
                                          SENDING [15] - 185:5, 191:13, 191:16,     243:17, 244:2, 244:4
                   S                       191:17, 192:23, 193:10, 193:24,         SHOWING [5] - 143:14, 285:4, 286:9,
SALARY [1] - 149:15                        194:16, 194:23, 195:15, 219:22,          289:1, 289:8
SALE [4] - 205:10, 205:19, 206:14,         222:23, 249:16, 251:3, 298:21           SHOWN [13] - 142:17, 168:9, 186:23,
 243:24                                   SENIOR [1] - 234:15                       235:2, 235:13, 236:7, 236:9, 251:25,
SAMIR [1] - 130:15                        SENT [43] - 159:22, 182:24, 184:16,       259:10, 277:14, 277:18, 279:6, 279:10
SAMPLE [1] - 197:14                        189:22, 190:16, 191:1, 191:8, 191:11,   SHOWS [1] - 273:15
SAND [1] - 272:8                           193:5, 193:6, 193:17, 194:10, 194:25,   SHUT [1] - 216:1
SARALIENE [1] - 130:18                     195:2, 195:5, 195:20, 197:24, 198:10,   SIC [7] - 137:7, 169:11, 222:24, 238:23,
SARCASTIC [1] - 227:20                     216:17, 219:24, 220:3, 220:7, 220:8,     240:10, 301:1
SAW [9] - 151:2, 152:19, 156:13,           221:15, 227:18, 228:10, 228:17,         SIC) [1] - 189:22
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SIDE [6] - 194:4, 194:19, 206:15, 237:7    261:13, 278:23, 279:9, 292:25            227:22, 228:2, 228:17, 228:23,
SIGN [9] - 165:18, 171:21, 205:11,        SPECIFIED [3] - 260:21, 261:12, 261:21    242:16, 242:22, 243:1, 243:6, 256:11,
 205:19, 205:24, 206:14, 207:3, 207:14    SPECULATION [4] - 147:7, 161:6,           256:22, 257:16
SIGNATURE [11] - 142:13, 142:17,           234:20, 290:22                          STITES [2] - 131:7, 256:16
 150:5, 150:6, 150:7, 171:11, 213:1,      SPEECH [1] - 188:22                      STOLEN [1] - 197:20
 213:2, 213:4, 231:5, 237:3               SPELL [1] - 138:2                        STORY [1] - 228:23
SIGNATURES [4] - 142:8, 142:15,           SPELLING [1] - 157:25                    STREET [3] - 165:18, 205:24, 206:6
 143:23, 171:14                           SPENT [3] - 185:4, 201:13, 251:2         STREET [3] - 240:10, 247:10, 247:25
SIGNED [11] - 143:25, 189:18, 189:22,     SPREADSHEET [1] - 150:18                 STRIKE [3] - 211:13, 211:16, 263:7
 190:4, 190:5, 190:6, 190:7, 190:8,       ST [2] - 240:12, 243:18                  STRIKES [1] - 274:1
 190:16, 191:1, 201:3                     ST [1] - 240:12                          STROKE [2] - 188:1, 188:5
SIGNER [2] - 143:2, 172:1                 STACEY [1] - 138:4                       STRONG [1] - 268:9
SIGNERS [1] - 142:3                       STACEY [1] - 138:4                       STRONGER [1] - 262:3
SIGNIFICANT [4] - 141:4, 228:3, 229:5,    STACK [2] - 297:25, 298:8                STRONGLY [2] - 272:21, 301:9
 255:6                                    STAFF [1] - 252:18                       STUB [1] - 199:17
SIGNING [1] - 142:20                      STAGE [1] - 176:12                       STUBS [3] - 196:22, 199:19, 199:22
SIMULTANEOUS [1] - 284:17                 STAND [7] - 134:22, 135:5, 137:8,        STUDENTS [1] - 166:17
SIT [1] - 285:18                           155:24, 256:12, 275:19, 292:20          STUFF [11] - 150:18, 167:3, 195:9,
SITES [3] - 163:10, 168:2, 168:5          STANDARD [1] - 260:10                     204:11, 207:5, 209:22, 226:23,
SITTING [5] - 134:4, 181:16, 185:19,      STAPLED [1] - 228:15                      232:17, 236:9, 239:8, 239:17
 281:21, 286:1                            START [5] - 181:20, 258:17, 258:18,      STUTTERING [1] - 188:22
SITUATION [4] - 268:17, 286:7, 286:24,     274:23, 275:2                           SUB [4] - 229:22, 245:12, 245:21,
 287:6                                    STARTED [4] - 204:1, 204:2, 204:4,        245:22
SIX [2] - 189:7, 205:8                     214:19                                  SUBJECT [3] - 254:17, 259:16, 294:19
SLIGHTLY [1] - 292:14                     STARTING [2] - 250:16, 297:7             SUBMIT [3] - 164:12, 233:20, 252:1
SLIP [1] - 213:25                         STARTS [1] - 156:17                      SUBMITTED [8] - 144:5, 146:16,
SLOW [2] - 188:21, 188:23                 STATE [5] - 137:7, 137:13, 166:15,        164:24, 190:19, 237:9, 246:6, 279:7,
SOCIAL [1] - 198:25                        240:10                                   279:14
SOLUTION [1] - 267:3                      STATE [4] - 138:2, 183:2, 259:2, 267:1   SUBMITTING [1] - 146:22
SOMEONE [15] - 144:20, 191:19,            STATEMENT [32] - 145:11, 146:10,         SUBPOENA [4] - 179:2, 179:13, 209:23,
 193:22, 198:1, 201:8, 203:14, 259:17,     159:3, 171:11, 172:13, 172:14, 191:9,    224:10
 266:6, 267:6, 267:14, 267:17, 268:12,     191:11, 191:14, 191:15, 191:17,         SUBPOENAED [1] - 179:19
 278:11, 285:21                            192:7, 192:10, 192:12, 192:13,          SUBPOENAS [3] - 223:21, 224:1, 224:2
SOMETHING'S [1] - 298:17                   192:23, 193:1, 193:10, 193:11,          SUBSTANCE [1] - 297:1
SOMETIMES [1] - 157:24                     194:23, 195:11, 210:1, 251:9, 251:10,   SUBSTANTIAL [2] - 289:8, 289:13
SOMEWHERE [12] - 139:22, 147:16,           266:18, 266:23, 267:2, 267:6, 270:2,    SUDDEN [3] - 189:8, 216:9, 222:21
 149:14, 164:21, 164:23, 202:5, 208:3,     271:9, 277:14, 285:23                   SUFFICIENCY [1] - 260:13
 221:1, 226:20, 226:25, 234:8, 244:19     STATEMENTS [12] - 147:21, 173:20,        SUFFICIENT [2] - 262:8
SOON [1] - 228:8                           173:22, 191:17, 191:19, 192:20,         SUGGEST [2] - 283:11, 284:4
SOPHISTICATED [2] - 200:9, 201:6           193:6, 195:2, 195:5, 238:11, 244:15,    SUGGESTED [2] - 135:13, 241:21
SORRY [27] - 134:17, 136:25, 137:15,       293:11                                  SUGGESTIONS [1] - 299:6
 178:3, 189:11, 205:16, 210:24, 223:3,    STATES [5] - 256:11, 276:12, 282:4,      SUGGESTS [1] - 267:24
 230:24, 236:23, 259:7, 264:1, 265:20,     287:1, 288:9                            SUPPLEMENTAL [4] - 265:14, 266:12,
 266:11, 268:14, 270:21, 276:10,          STATES [6] - 130:1, 130:4, 130:10,        275:10, 275:25
 276:15, 276:17, 282:23, 282:24,           130:16, 130:25, 303:3                   SUPPORT [4] - 270:9, 272:13, 272:22,
 286:16, 292:13, 294:16, 295:20,          STATUTES [2] - 270:13, 270:14             273:21
 295:22                                   STAY [3] - 176:15, 176:25, 296:17        SUPPOSED [8] - 141:15, 152:8, 181:13,
SORRY [1] - 299:5                         STAYED [2] - 177:12, 239:18               181:16, 181:20, 187:12, 229:1, 244:18
SORT [5] - 149:8, 157:11, 278:19,         STAYING [1] - 178:5                      SUPPOSEDLY [3] - 198:7, 218:21,
 293:9, 293:17                            STENOGRAPHICALLY [1] - 130:23             241:20
SOUNDS [4] - 141:2, 295:1, 300:18,        STEP [4] - 134:18, 179:1, 252:12,        SUPREME [1] - 269:18
 301:22                                    257:24                                  SUSTAIN [2] - 195:22, 281:3
SOURCE [13] - 161:15, 170:22, 185:3,      STILL [11] - 134:1, 134:3, 167:24,       SUSTAINED [1] - 234:25
 251:1, 260:5, 260:6, 261:14, 261:19,      176:14, 176:15, 176:18, 244:10,         SUSTAINING [1] - 281:14
 270:25, 272:9, 272:18, 273:7, 273:16      245:15, 250:11, 278:7, 291:18           SWEAR [3] - 135:6, 136:17, 137:11
SOUTH [1] - 204:12                        STIPULATION [3] - 275:6, 295:7,          SWITCH [3] - 200:7, 301:20, 301:21
SPEAKING [1] - 144:23                      295:10                                  SWORE [1] - 181:25
SPECIAL [1] - 256:11                      STIPULATIONS [2] - 295:5, 295:16         SWORN [2] - 135:8, 256:14
SPECIFIC [1] - 244:15                     STITES [19] - 223:3, 223:12, 223:15,     SYSTEM [1] - 180:11
SPECIFICALLY [6] - 259:12, 260:21,         223:18, 223:21, 224:15, 225:5, 226:2,
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                                              136:23, 137:5, 137:11, 147:15,           247:24, 248:7, 249:17, 249:23, 251:5,
                     T
                                              155:23, 165:5, 174:3, 180:24, 181:1,     273:8, 273:12, 273:20, 290:20,
TABBED [1] - 266:11                           181:2, 181:3, 184:1, 184:11, 186:4,      292:22, 293:2, 293:3, 293:12
TABLE [1] - 157:14                            186:8, 186:25, 187:14, 187:18,          THOMAS'S [1] - 241:15
TABLES [1] - 181:16                           195:17, 195:22, 196:16, 197:8, 208:6,   THREE [8] - 168:16, 180:5, 194:13,
TAILOR [1] - 268:16                           209:25, 210:5, 210:14, 210:16,           194:24, 216:20, 235:13, 294:7
TAL [1] - 130:14                              210:19, 211:15, 211:21, 212:2, 212:5,   THREE-PAGE [1] - 235:13
TALKS [1] - 293:3                             212:6, 212:12, 212:18, 230:3, 231:16,   TIED [1] - 278:23
TAX [2] - 199:3, 199:5                        231:20, 231:22, 234:25, 245:16,         TIMBERLAKE [1] - 137:10
TECHNOLOGY [1] - 137:9                        245:19, 245:21, 245:23, 246:9,          TIMBERLAKE [1] - 136:5
TED [1] - 293:3                               246:11, 252:7, 252:11, 252:14,          TIMBERLAKE-WILEY [1] - 137:10
TELDRIN [2] - 130:7, 130:17                   252:22, 252:24, 253:2, 253:5, 253:9,    TIMBERLAKE-WILEY [1] - 136:5
TELDRIN [2] - 138:7, 290:21                   253:16, 253:20, 253:23, 254:3, 254:6,   TIMING [2] - 221:14, 255:12
TEN [3] - 211:23, 252:19, 275:17              254:10, 254:17, 255:9, 255:11,          TITAN [1] - 153:24
TEN-MINUTE [1] - 211:23                       255:15, 255:19, 256:1, 256:5, 256:8,    TITLE [3] - 171:6, 171:7, 274:24
TEN-MINUTE-ER [1] - 252:19                    256:13, 257:12, 257:24, 258:3, 258:9,   TITLES [3] - 196:24, 197:10
TENDER [3] - 155:19, 164:12, 165:1            258:25, 259:24, 261:7, 262:5, 262:20,   TO [2] - 1:5, 1:9
TERM [1] - 188:19                             262:25, 263:4, 263:7, 263:11, 263:13,
                                                                                      TODAY [16] - 180:4, 180:13, 181:23,
TESTIFIED [26] - 137:21, 162:13,              263:16, 263:19, 263:21, 263:23,
                                                                                       186:15, 187:23, 225:25, 226:11,
 176:11, 178:14, 182:8, 186:11, 187:2,        263:25, 264:6, 264:9, 264:15, 264:21,
                                                                                       226:12, 228:24, 229:4, 238:11,
 187:20, 189:11, 202:9, 202:16,               265:5, 265:8, 265:11, 265:18, 265:24,
                                                                                       256:23, 272:6, 272:14, 272:21, 286:1
 202:22, 202:24, 203:7, 208:20,               266:3, 266:6, 266:10, 266:16, 267:12,
                                                                                      TOGETHER [8] - 139:8, 155:25, 176:15,
 213:12, 229:10, 253:25, 256:18,              267:16, 268:8, 268:14, 268:21,
                                                                                       189:9, 201:13, 239:21, 293:13, 298:14
 263:10, 263:18, 264:24, 267:25,              268:25, 269:2, 269:4, 269:12, 270:6,
                                                                                      TOMORROW [7] - 258:23, 281:6, 291:1,
 268:2, 273:20, 287:9                         270:11, 271:6, 271:9, 271:16, 271:18,
                                                                                       297:22, 297:23, 299:7, 299:8
TESTIFIES [1] - 264:24                        271:24, 272:24, 273:23, 274:13,
                                                                                      TONIGHT [1] - 299:9
TESTIFY [33] - 132:4, 132:5, 132:9,           274:21, 275:10, 275:24, 276:2, 276:6,
                                                                                      TOOK [6] - 147:17, 151:24, 167:10,
 132:19, 132:22, 133:3, 133:13,               276:9, 276:15, 276:18, 277:21, 278:4,
                                                                                       208:12, 214:22, 214:25
 135:15, 135:16, 179:3, 179:14,               279:17, 280:15, 281:2, 281:19,
                                                                                      TOP [8] - 146:9, 146:10, 156:8, 159:2,
 179:17, 180:6, 240:24, 253:6, 253:17,        281:22, 282:1, 282:23, 284:7, 284:24,
                                                                                       171:1, 171:6, 174:6, 183:20
 253:18, 253:24, 254:8, 268:6, 268:18,        285:16, 286:16, 286:20, 287:16,
                                                                                      TOTALITY [1] - 254:21
 282:13, 283:12, 283:17, 284:6,               287:23, 288:5, 290:1, 290:25, 291:20,
                                                                                      TOUCH [2] - 276:10, 291:5
 285:15, 286:3, 286:12, 288:19,               291:24, 292:5, 292:10, 293:19,
                                                                                      TOWARDS [2] - 150:16, 268:16
 288:23, 289:21                               293:23, 294:3, 294:7, 294:11, 294:19,
                                              294:22, 295:1, 295:4, 295:18, 295:23,   TRACKING [1] - 297:24
TESTIFYING [2] - 180:4, 189:15
                                              296:7, 297:4, 297:10, 297:15, 297:17,   TRAIL [2] - 228:4, 229:5
TESTIMONY [24] - 186:15, 186:19,
                                              297:19, 298:14, 299:3, 299:9, 299:22,   TRANSACTION [11] - 146:3, 174:14,
 187:22, 191:18, 210:7, 210:8, 221:20,
                                              300:6, 300:18, 300:22, 301:12,           186:6, 207:7, 210:10, 260:7, 260:24,
 222:23, 256:22, 260:3, 265:1, 267:23,
                                              301:15, 301:22, 302:2                    261:15, 261:18, 270:24, 271:3
 272:6, 273:4, 273:9, 273:25, 283:15,
                                             THEMSELVES [1] - 278:17                  TRANSACTIONS [6] - 146:1, 172:17,
 285:4, 285:9, 286:23, 288:15, 289:2,
                                             THEORY [5] - 276:3, 276:22, 280:2,        173:18, 174:15, 174:22, 174:24
 289:17, 290:19
                                              280:8, 291:13                           TRANSCRIPT [5] - 1:3, 1:6, 1:8, 1:9,
TEXT [31] - 155:8, 155:12, 155:15,
                                             THEREAFTER [1] - 279:23                   130:9
 155:17, 156:4, 156:8, 157:16, 192:22,
                                             THEREFORE [2] - 211:11, 290:13           TRANSCRIPT [11] - 183:17, 184:5,
 207:4, 207:6, 207:9, 207:12, 207:23,
                                             THEY'VE [1] - 238:1                       184:14, 186:14, 244:10, 250:6,
 208:2, 209:8, 209:11, 209:13, 211:2,
                                             THINKING [1] - 239:15                     250:11, 251:9, 286:18, 290:9, 303:7
 211:4, 216:17, 218:8, 218:13, 225:16,
                                                                                      TRANSCRIPTS [1] - 1:3
 227:12, 227:24, 227:25, 228:2,              THINKS [1] - 201:4
                                                                                      TRANSFER [34] - 138:19, 158:10,
 228:16, 228:22, 229:9, 243:7                THIRD [8] - 172:17, 198:4, 217:21,
                                                                                       158:14, 159:3, 159:11, 159:13,
TEXTED [8] - 155:12, 216:20, 217:4,           260:18, 261:11, 261:17, 296:23,
                                                                                       159:17, 159:18, 159:20, 159:22,
 225:14, 225:24, 227:9, 227:15, 229:4         297:12
                                                                                       161:2, 161:14, 183:11, 183:13,
TEXTING [1] - 156:2                          THOMAS [59] - 144:9, 144:10, 144:11,
                                                                                       184:16, 184:20, 184:24, 185:2,
THAT'LL [1] - 291:8                           144:16, 144:25, 150:23, 173:6, 173:8,
                                                                                       220:16, 220:19, 220:23, 221:4,
THE [220] - 1:2, 1:4, 1:6, 1:7, 1:8, 1:10,    190:3, 190:7, 190:16, 190:19, 191:5,
                                                                                       221:11, 221:15, 221:20, 244:16,
 130:1, 130:10, 130:14, 130:17,               191:8, 192:11, 192:21, 193:5, 193:7,
                                                                                       244:21, 244:25, 245:4, 250:20,
 130:20, 132:2, 132:7, 132:11, 132:21,        193:23, 193:25, 194:13, 194:22,
                                                                                       250:22, 250:24, 250:25, 261:18
 133:2, 133:6, 133:11, 133:15, 133:20,        194:23, 195:2, 195:11, 214:19, 224:1,
                                                                                      TRANSFERRING [1] - 214:12
 133:24, 134:3, 134:6, 134:8, 134:13,         224:9, 225:14, 225:24, 227:19, 228:5,
                                              228:11, 228:18, 230:7, 231:3, 232:15,   TRANSPORTATION [1] - 141:15
 134:16, 134:21, 134:24, 135:4, 135:9,
                                              233:5, 241:21, 242:6, 242:12, 246:6,    TRAVEL [48] - 141:7, 141:11, 141:14,
 135:19, 135:20, 136:1, 136:2, 136:7,
                                              246:15, 246:20, 246:24, 247:7,           141:25, 142:4, 143:9, 143:18, 144:4,
 136:9, 136:11, 136:19, 136:20,
                                                                                       145:20, 146:16, 146:23, 147:6,
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 158:15, 160:5, 161:24, 178:16, 182:9,     299:1                                     VIS-A-VIS [1] - 274:8
 183:8, 183:11, 185:10, 186:2, 186:12,    UNDERWAY [1] - 214:10                      VISIT [4] - 163:14, 168:6, 208:20,
 187:10, 187:21, 190:16, 191:9,           UNFAITHFUL [4] - 180:19, 202:23,            242:17
 191:12, 191:20, 192:8, 193:7, 194:22,     203:1, 203:5                              VISITED [1] - 205:1
 196:12, 213:9, 214:24, 215:10,           UNFAVORABLE [1] - 289:17                   VISITING [1] - 167:11
 220:17, 221:24, 221:25, 222:16,          UNITED [6] - 130:1, 130:4, 130:10,         VOLUME [1] - 130:6
 222:22, 222:24, 226:17, 229:11,           130:16, 130:25, 303:3                     VOLUNTARILY [1] - 179:14
 238:23, 240:22, 244:16, 246:8, 246:22    UNITED [5] - 256:11, 276:12, 282:4,        VS [1] - 130:5
TREATMENT [1] - 267:25                     287:1, 288:9
TREE [4] - 206:15, 206:16, 206:18,        UNIVERSE [1] - 269:10                                         W
 206:22                                   UNIVERSITY [1] - 166:15
TRIAL [1] - 130:9                                                                    W-2S [2] - 199:5, 199:21
                                          UNLAWFUL [3] - 260:21, 261:13,
TRIAL [9] - 181:14, 181:19, 182:22,                                                  WAIT [1] - 218:14
                                           261:21
 183:10, 253:17, 283:9, 290:6, 290:13,                                               WALK [2] - 157:13, 275:15
                                          UNTRUTHFUL [2] - 187:8, 239:6
 292:17                                                                              WANTS [4] - 274:9, 275:15, 298:14,
                                          UNUSUAL [2] - 237:12
TRIED [1] - 286:15                                                                    301:18
                                          UP [69] - 139:18, 142:6, 143:11, 145:24,
TRIER [1] - 262:9                                                                    WARRANTS [1] - 209:24
                                           146:12, 148:9, 149:19, 151:8, 151:23,
TRIP [5] - 203:16, 203:20, 203:23,                                                   WASHINGTON [1] - 285:22
                                           156:7, 158:18, 159:5, 165:15, 165:20,
 204:1, 204:9                              168:3, 168:11, 169:9, 169:10, 170:8,      WATER [1] - 181:2
TROUBLE [2] - 179:20, 188:23               170:12, 172:7, 172:18, 173:25, 174:2,     WEAVE [1] - 278:17
TRUE [8] - 188:1, 188:7, 251:10, 283:4,    174:10, 176:6, 177:25, 191:3, 191:24,     WEBSTER [29] - 132:3, 132:15, 133:17,
 285:18, 285:24, 290:6, 303:6              193:8, 198:7, 204:11, 205:14, 205:16,      136:15, 137:3, 137:5, 252:8, 257:2,
TRUST [1] - 202:12                         209:11, 210:23, 213:22, 214:11,            258:3, 259:1, 265:15, 267:1, 268:8,
TRUTH [3] - 145:12, 181:25, 278:17         216:9, 218:18, 223:9, 225:4, 228:7,        268:25, 269:14, 271:7, 273:1, 274:8,
TRUTHFUL [1] - 238:10                      231:23, 234:12, 235:6, 235:10,             274:13, 277:21, 280:16, 283:21,
TRUTHFULLY [1] - 180:6                     235:11, 236:5, 236:20, 238:7, 239:2,       284:7, 285:14, 292:7, 294:7, 295:1,
TRUTHFULNESS [1] - 264:12                  239:11, 240:3, 243:5, 244:1, 244:3,        301:24, 302:4
                                           245:16, 250:11, 255:8, 270:21,            WEBSTER [58] - 130:18, 132:6, 132:9,
TRY [3] - 224:21, 243:8, 290:12
                                           273:13, 275:19, 276:20, 284:9,             133:19, 133:23, 134:12, 136:6, 137:4,
TRYING [11] - 144:17, 144:18, 195:6,
                                           285:22, 288:6, 290:7                       155:22, 165:4, 230:2, 231:19, 252:10,
 207:8, 209:18, 218:11, 242:6, 273:6,
                                          UP-AND-UP [1] - 234:12                      257:13, 257:15, 257:21, 258:5, 259:3,
 273:15
                                          UPDATED [1] - 270:17                        259:9, 262:21, 263:15, 263:20, 264:8,
TUCKER [1] - 239:19
                                          UPFRONT [3] - 201:2, 237:24, 238:4          264:13, 264:19, 265:9, 265:16,
TURN [3] - 209:22, 228:15, 244:13
                                          UPSET [1] - 140:23                          265:20, 266:2, 266:4, 266:8, 266:14,
TWO [23] - 138:9, 138:13, 140:16,
                                                                                      267:10, 268:9, 269:1, 269:17, 271:8,
 140:17, 154:8, 154:22, 168:16,           US [1] - 185:14
                                                                                      271:14, 273:2, 274:16, 275:8, 278:3,
 176:14, 177:2, 181:13, 185:19,           USAA [12] - 154:7, 154:13, 156:5, 175:2,
                                                                                      278:8, 284:22, 286:17, 290:8, 291:22,
 186:10, 186:19, 194:7, 195:4, 238:19,     175:6, 217:1, 217:4, 217:7, 217:12,
                                                                                      292:2, 292:13, 294:6, 294:17, 294:25,
 241:10, 242:15, 266:12, 269:6,            218:16, 220:10, 221:18
                                                                                      296:23, 297:9, 297:14, 301:8, 301:13,
 275:25, 299:5, 301:14                    UTILITY [1] - 198:23
                                                                                      301:25
TYPE [4] - 132:14, 141:13, 234:17,
                                                                                     WEBSTER'S [1] - 301:22
 238:6                                                       V                       WEDLOCK [1] - 141:5
TYPED [2] - 198:7, 198:16
                                          VAGUELY [3] - 166:12, 201:18, 239:13       WEEK [5] - 176:25, 177:1, 181:19,
TYPES [1] - 238:3
                                          VARIOUS [3] - 200:15, 246:14, 270:13        238:17, 285:22
TYPICALLY [2] - 278:17, 286:7
                                          VEHICLE [2] - 196:24, 197:10               WEEKS [6] - 181:13, 185:19, 186:10,
                                          VERBAL [1] - 227:24                         186:19, 195:4, 238:19
                   U                      VERDICT [13] - 280:7, 299:4, 299:6,        WHATNOT [1] - 295:6
UGLY [1] - 170:12                          299:11, 299:16, 299:19, 299:20,           WHATSAPP [1] - 293:4
UNANIMOUSLY [3] - 282:20, 300:8,           299:21, 299:23, 300:3, 301:19, 302:3,     WHEREAS [2] - 280:8, 280:18
 300:17                                    302:4                                     WHITE [2] - 206:18, 207:2
UNAVAILABLE [5] - 286:8, 286:10,          VERIFY [3] - 226:18, 227:7, 227:10         WHOLE [11] - 166:12, 167:4, 174:16,
 286:13, 288:2                            VERIFYING [1] - 227:3                       190:1, 204:22, 215:5, 216:5, 234:21,
UNDER [13] - 133:3, 135:22, 181:22,       VERSION [1] - 277:3                         236:15, 251:21, 270:24
 185:20, 186:11, 186:15, 209:21,          VIA [2] - 135:18, 137:9                    WHOLLY [1] - 274:6
 259:4, 265:21, 270:5, 279:15, 283:13,    VIDEO [1] - 135:18                         WIFE [17] - 141:3, 148:20, 149:1,
 299:13                                   VIEW [1] - 274:12                           149:14, 157:24, 161:20, 169:25,
UNDER [1] - 248:14                        VIEWED [1] - 262:7                          170:17, 174:4, 176:10, 185:6, 230:10,
UNDERAGE [1] - 278:12                     VIOLATE [1] - 179:20                        232:14, 232:21, 234:23, 251:4, 273:14
UNDERLYING [1] - 182:6                    VIRTUE [1] - 255:3                         WIFE'S [7] - 148:12, 149:3, 150:2,
UNDERSTOOD [3] - 203:15, 254:7,           VIS [2] - 274:8                             150:4, 179:17, 225:25, 234:10
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WILEY [9] - 135:18, 137:10, 179:7,       WROTE [10] - 150:2, 150:4, 152:23,
 179:9, 180:9, 183:23, 183:24, 184:1,     153:11, 154:20, 213:10, 213:12,
 252:24                                   221:18, 228:2, 285:2
WILEY [3] - 136:5, 252:23, 253:1
WILL [1] - 1:4                                              Y
WILLIAM [1] - 279:24
                                         Y'ALL [13] - 134:16, 134:24, 136:23,
WILLING [2] - 279:11, 301:22
                                          201:13, 212:18, 252:22, 256:5,
WILLINGNESS [2] - 290:12, 290:15
                                          258:25, 294:12, 296:7, 298:5, 298:7,
WINDOW [3] - 206:17, 208:8, 240:18
                                          298:19
WIRE [33] - 138:19, 158:7, 158:10,
                                         YEAR [2] - 139:21, 235:17
 158:14, 159:11, 159:13, 159:17,
                                         YEARS [18] - 139:3, 139:5, 139:6,
 161:2, 161:14, 183:11, 184:16,
                                          147:11, 149:5, 180:5, 188:10, 189:8,
 219:10, 219:12, 220:3, 220:16,
                                          194:24, 196:13, 199:25, 200:3,
 220:19, 220:22, 221:12, 221:15,
                                          203:18, 205:8, 234:3, 234:7, 270:16
 221:20, 241:4, 244:15, 244:21,
                                         YESTERDAY [7] - 259:6, 260:2, 260:4,
 250:20, 260:21, 260:23, 260:24,
                                          262:2, 262:4, 265:21, 292:15
 261:3, 261:13, 261:16, 261:18,
                                         YOU [2] - 1:5, 1:8
 261:20, 271:19
                                         YOURSELF [4] - 135:24, 183:21, 267:7,
WIRED [2] - 160:9, 173:6
                                          267:17
WIRES [1] - 220:8
                                         YOURSELVES [2] - 258:16, 258:20
WIRING [3] - 158:4, 219:6, 219:21
WITH [1] - 1:10
WITHDRAW [3] - 262:21, 271:21,                              Z
 271:23                                  ZERO [1] - 221:25
WITHDRAWAL [1] - 175:9                   ZILLOW [5] - 240:3, 240:6, 243:20,
WITHDRAWN [5] - 259:16, 259:17,           243:21, 243:23
 263:8, 271:24, 300:20                   ZOOM [2] - 137:9, 179:10
WITHDREW [1] - 175:10                    ZOOM [1] - 142:7
WITNESS [37] - 131:2, 134:21, 135:4,
 135:6, 135:12, 136:17, 137:20,
 185:24, 231:19, 256:17, 264:11,
 267:24, 268:1, 282:7, 282:8, 282:12,
 282:15, 282:21, 282:22, 283:7,
 284:15, 284:16, 285:7, 286:4, 286:5,
 286:7, 286:9, 287:6, 288:12, 288:18,
 288:22, 289:4, 289:9, 289:12, 289:13,
 289:20, 289:22
WITNESS [7] - 135:19, 136:1, 136:19,
 174:3, 181:2, 208:6, 212:5
WITNESS [2] - 252:13, 257:25
WITNESS'S [2] - 288:15, 289:17
WITNESSES [5] - 133:24, 253:3, 253:4,
 273:17, 287:5
WOMEN [1] - 140:12
WONDERFUL [2] - 258:22, 297:20
WORD [1] - 299:18
WORD [2] - 280:23, 300:8
WORDING [1] - 268:11
WORDS [3] - 275:1, 297:11, 297:12
WORKERS [1] - 150:17
WORKS [2] - 180:11, 200:13
WORLD [3] - 200:11, 226:23, 226:24
WORSE [1] - 189:2
WORTH [1] - 200:18
WOW [1] - 227:16
WOW [1] - 221:21
WRITE [8] - 213:15, 216:21, 217:14,
 218:15, 218:17, 218:21, 221:10,
 232:20
WRITTEN [1] - 238:7


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