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The transcript of the October 5, 2021 sentencing of Andre Lee Gaines, Docket Nos. 1:20-CR-00296-JPB and 1:21-CR-00206-JPB, before U.S. District Judge J.P. Boulee in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Georgia, filed February 2, 2024, as Document 896. The court recites that Gaines pled guilty on June 17, 2021 to Count 1 of the information for a false, fictitious and fraudulent statement to a department or agency of the United States, and finds a total offense level of 12 and a range of 10 to 16 months. Defense counsel Brian Mendelsohn seeks a downward departure and variance to probation, citing Gaines's age, health, 21 years of Navy service and agreement to pay restitution, and the court itself raises a departure under 5H1.11. The hearing concluded at 1:52 PM.

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 1                      UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                    FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA
 2                            ATLANTA DIVISION

 3
 4   UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,       )
                                     )
 5                                   )
        -VS-                         ) DOCKET NO. 1:20-CR-00296-JPB
 6                                   )            1:21-CR-00206-JPB
     ANDRE LEE GAINES,               )
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               DEFENDANT.            )
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 9                  TRANSCRIPT OF SENTENCING PROCEEDINGS
                      BEFORE THE HONORABLE J.P. BOULEE
10                      UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE
                              OCTOBER 5, 2021
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14   APPEARANCES:

15   ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT:
             TAL COHEN CHAIKEN, ESQ.
16           NATHAN KITCHENS, ESQ.
             ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY
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18   ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANT:
             BRIAN MENDELSOHN, ESQ.
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22   STENOGRAPHICALLY RECORDED BY:

23                     PENNY PRITTY COUDRIET, RMR, CRR
                           OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER
24                      UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                              ATLANTA, GEORGIA
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 1            COURTROOM DEPUTY CLERK:       This is case 21-CR-206,

 2   USA v. Gaines.

 3            MR. KITCHENS:       Good afternoon, your Honor.        Nathan

 4   Kitchens on behalf of the government.        I'm here with my

 5   colleague AUSA Tal Chaiken, as well as Special Agents Joe

 6   Stites and Stefan Bublitz.

 7            MR. MENDELSOHN:      Good afternoon, Judge.          Brian

 8   Mendelsohn here with Mr. Gaines.

 9            THE COURT:    Good to see you, Mr. Mendelsohn.

10            And good afternoon to you as well, Mr. Gaines.

11            OFFICER RIDLEY:      Maria Ridley on behalf of the United

12   States Probation Office.

13            THE COURT:    Good to see you, Officer.

14            Mr. Gaines pled guilty on June 17th, 2021, to Count 1

15   of the information for false, fictitious and fraudulent

16   statement and representation to a department or agency of the

17   United States.

18            In accordance with Rule 32 of the Federal Rules of

19   Criminal Procedure, the United States Probation Office has

20   conducted a presentence investigation and prepared a

21   presentence report, a copy of which has been provided to both

22   the government and the defense.

23            Mr. Mendelsohn, have you and your client had an

24   opportunity to read and discuss the presentence report?

25            MR. MENDELSOHN:      Yes, we have.


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 1               THE COURT:   Do you have any questions about the

 2   presentence report or any amendments now other than what's

 3   been previously filed?

 4               MR. MENDELSOHN:    No, Judge.

 5               THE COURT:   It appears from the record that there are

 6   no objections to the findings of fact or conclusions of law in

 7   the presentence report by the government or the defense.

 8               Is that correct?

 9               MR. KITCHENS:    That's correct, your Honor.

10               MR. MENDELSOHN:    Yes, that's correct.

11               THE COURT:   And I understand, Mr. Mendelsohn, that

12   you are seeking a downward departure on various grounds,

13   correct?

14               MR. MENDELSOHN:    That's correct, Judge.          I mean,

15   it's -- I've asked for a downward departure and a downward

16   variance.    They're overlapping, so I think they -- they're one

17   and the same in many ways.

18               THE COURT:   Okay.   Sometimes when they're not really

19   overlapping, I will handle the departure requests first and

20   hear argument from both of you on that and then move on.

21   Other times when they are overlapping, it's my preference to

22   just hear argument on everything at once, whether it's a

23   departure or a variance or just general 3553(a) factors.

24               Is anyone opposed to just hearing argument on all of

25   that later in this proceeding?


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 1             MR. KITCHENS:      No, your Honor.

 2             MR. MENDELSOHN:     That's fine.

 3             THE COURT:   I would like to do this at least.           I want

 4   to go over which grounds for departure you're seeking so I can

 5   just make sure that the record's clear on that.

 6             And I wanted to note one additional ground that the

 7   Court is considering, I guess, on its own motion, and that is

 8   5H1.11, which is military, civic, charitable or public

 9   service, employment-related contributions, record of prior

10   good works to consider based on his 20 years of service to the

11   Navy and his honorable discharge, a downward departure based

12   on 5H1.11.   And I'll be happy to hear from counsel from either

13   side about the propriety of such departure when you make your

14   arguments as to sentencing.

15             Other than that, Mr. Mendelsohn, it looked like

16   5H1.1, 1.3, 1.4 for starters, is that correct?

17             MR. MENDELSOHN:     That's correct.

18             THE COURT:   And in addition --

19             MR. MENDELSOHN:     5K2.20.

20             THE COURT:   5K2.20?

21             MR. MENDELSOHN:     Yes.

22             THE COURT:   And I think that was it.         Are there any

23   others?

24             MR. MENDELSOHN:     That's it.

25             THE COURT:   Okay.    All right.


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 1            I will, therefore, adopt the findings of fact and

 2   conclusions of law in the presentence report with the

 3   understanding that I will consider the departure requests

 4   later in this proceeding.

 5            Based on the findings of fact and conclusions of law

 6   the guideline calculations are as follows:

 7            Base offense level of 6;

 8            Adjusted offense level of 14;

 9            Total offense level of 12;

10            Criminal History Category of I;

11            Recommended sentencing range not more than five years

12   imprisonment, $250,000 fine or twice the gain or twice the

13   loss, whichever is greater;

14            Then fine guideline range of 5,500 to 55,000;

15            Term of supervised release of one to three years;

16            Special assessment of $100.

17            But I also had it as 10 to 16 months.

18            MR. KITCHENS:       That's correct, your Honor.

19            THE COURT:    Okay.    Agree, Mr. Mendelsohn?

20            MR. MENDELSOHN:      Yes.   That's correct.

21            THE COURT:    So no objections to the guideline

22   calculations as stated by the Court?

23            MR. KITCHENS:       No objections, your Honor.

24            MR. MENDELSOHN:      Yes, no objections.

25            THE COURT:    All right.     I may have some questions --


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 1   specific questions for you later, but let me go ahead and hear

 2   from counsel in a moment.        Before I do, I want to let you know

 3   that I've reviewed the presentence report as well as the

 4   defense's sentencing memorandum.

 5               Are there any victims that wish to be heard in this

 6   proceeding?

 7               MR. KITCHENS:     No, your Honor.

 8               THE COURT:    Any witnesses on behalf of the defendant?

 9               MR. MENDELSOHN:     No, Judge.

10               THE COURT:    Any other documents or letters for the

11   Court?

12               MR. KITCHENS:     No, your Honor.

13               MR. MENDELSOHN:     No.

14               THE COURT:    Mr. Mendelsohn, would you like to make

15   any argument on behalf of your client regarding sentencing?

16               MR. MENDELSOHN:     Certainly.

17               THE COURT:    Go ahead.

18               MR. MENDELSOHN:     Judge, I believe I've laid out most

19   of the arguments in the sentencing memo.

20               You know, it's kind of like the old days where we

21   used to talk about downward departures.           I haven't had to do

22   that in awhile since these grounds are generally taken up by

23   the downward variance grounds.

24               But, you know, on the departure issues, the

25   Commission and the Supreme Court talked about cases that are


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 1   outside the heartland in order to qualify for the downward

 2   departure.    So if it's a heartland case, it's really not a

 3   ground for a downward departure, but the unusual cases, the

 4   one's that are outside the heartland, are the ones that do

 5   qualify.

 6              And, you know, the factors identified, the age,

 7   mental condition, physical health as well as the aberrant

 8   behavior are what they used to refer to as encouraged factors

 9   under the guidelines.     So they identified these grounds as

10   downward departures and encouraged them in certain situations

11   where you have a defendant outside of the heartland in an

12   extraordinary situation.

13              I think Mr. Gaines, given his medical conditions,

14   his age and his physical conditions certainly is someone who

15   is outside the heartland.     He is very much atypical of the

16   defendants that the Court sees in any of these cases.

17              I counted up I think it was 17 different physical

18   ailments and 19 different medications.        And, you know, the

19   physical ailments are serious.      He's had a number of strokes

20   predating the incidents here in this case.         Those strokes have

21   affected his cognitive ability pretty substantially.            I mean,

22   he went from somebody who was able to successfully and

23   honorably serve for 21 years in the military to somebody whose

24   IQ on the IQ testing is now between the second and the eighth

25   percentile.   And I think that's a really significant drop.


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 1              Plus you add the cognitive difficulties associated

 2   with his executive functioning problems, his ability to reason

 3   and make those higher-level kinds of decisions and thinking.

 4   So, again, that's another extraordinary step.

 5              And then when you factor in his age, at 67 he would

 6   be in the oldest couple percent of a prison population.                And

 7   certainly with his medical issues and his physical issues, the

 8   cost of incarceration for him would be extraordinary,

 9   substantially higher than a normal inmate.

10              So as the guidelines talk about looking for

11   alternate -- or less costly alternatives to incarceration,

12   certainly a term of probation would be a less costly term --

13   alternative to incarceration.

14              So when you -- and I think when we're talking about

15   the downward departure grounds, age, physical condition and

16   mental condition, they sort of refer to each other where they

17   say it's one thing if you're elderly, but if you're elderly

18   and infirm, then you're really in the position to qualify for

19   this.    And I think Mr. Gaines certainly meets those

20   definitions.

21              As to the issue of aberrant behavior under 5K2.20, I

22   think his record really speaks for itself.           Twenty-one years

23   of honorable service in the Navy, his successful career at the

24   post office, going 67 years without having even an arrest

25   certainly shows that this is some behavior that is far outside


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 1   the norm for him.

 2               Certainly I think the -- his cognitive deficits got

 3   him into this mess and contributed to his involvement in this

 4   situation.      And so it is certainly aberrant and it's rolled up

 5   into the other deficits that he has.

 6               So for all of those grounds I think he would qualify

 7   for a downward departure.        Certainly there are also grounds

 8   for a downward variance under 3553 taking into account his

 9   history and characteristics and the circumstances of the

10   offense.

11               And, you know, the Court did bring up his honorable

12   service, his military civic record.           Certainly 20 years of

13   honorable service would qualify under the guidelines.               And I

14   would -- I kind of feel bad that the Court is picking up a

15   departure ground that I didn't, but certainly I think he would

16   fit right into that as well.         And, of course, that also is a

17   ground for a downward variance.

18               I talked about the difficulties in prison in the

19   sentencing memo.       I don't think I need to repeat a lot of

20   those.     I think it's obvious that he would be incredibly

21   vulnerable in prison, just -- I don't know how he could even

22   function quite frankly.        And certainly would be an easy target

23   for predators inside the prison system.

24               Also talked about a little bit in the sentencing

25   memo, and I don't think it's the key point here, but he agreed


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 1   to the restitution in this case.         I think that could have been

 2   an argument that we had.       I mean, the loss amount -- the

 3   government agreed and the probation office found that the loss

 4   amount from the PPP part of the case did not apply here to

 5   these guidelines.      And I think there would have been an

 6   argument that he wouldn't have been obligated for restitution.

 7   It could have gone either way potentially.           But as part of his

 8   acceptance of responsibility he agreed to that.

 9               Now, it's going to be burdensome for him, it's going

10   to be something that he's going to have for a long time, but

11   it's also something that he never, for lack of a better word,

12   enjoyed the benefits of the money from that case.              It all went

13   to co-defendants who I think were the ones who lured him into

14   this.    And the money that was left sitting in his account was

15   seized by the government.       So, you know, he's not somebody who

16   was out there buying fancy cars or doing any kind of big

17   spending.    The money was just sitting there.

18               So, despite that, he is still on the hook for the

19   restitution, and I think that's a further ground for a

20   variance.    So we would ask the Court to vary down to

21   probation.

22               THE COURT:   All right.     Thank you.

23               And, I'm sorry, I don't know if Mr. Gaines would like

24   to make a statement on his own behalf, but let me explain to

25   you, Mr. Gaines, I've read what your attorney has supplied to


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 1   the Court in a sentencing memorandum, and I've heard his

 2   arguments, but I would be happy to hear from you as well, sir,

 3   if you would like to say anything on your own behalf before I

 4   sentence you this afternoon.

 5               THE DEFENDANT:   No, I would not like to say anything.

 6               THE COURT:   Okay.   Thank you, sir.

 7               Mr. Kitchens.

 8               MR. KITCHENS:    Thank you, your Honor.

 9               We ultimately agree with much of what Mr. Mendelsohn

10   has said.    And, in fact, we agree that a sentence of

11   probation is ultimately the appropriate one here based on

12   the consideration of the Section 3553(a) factors.

13               While I think we agree with that final destination, I

14   think the parties disagree to some extent about the path to

15   get there.    We think appropriately that a downward variance

16   should apply to basically get him to that probationary range

17   rather than the downward departure.         So I'll briefly discuss

18   those downward departures before explaining the basis for why

19   the government thinks that a downward variance is proper here.

20               For the various grounds that the -- I'll start with

21   kind of the preliminary grounds that Mr. Mendelsohn has

22   raised.   His age, the mental and emotional conditions for

23   Mr. Gaines, and then his physical condition as well.

24               Under the guidelines there's the same test ultimately

25   for each of those, which is that the Court should consider a


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 1   departure if the issues based on age, mental condition or

 2   physical condition are present to an unusual degree that

 3   distinguishes the case from a typical case that the Court

 4   would see.

 5             The downward departure under 5H1.4 adds a little bit

 6   more context and it notes that it may apply in the case of an

 7   extraordinary physical impairment or if a defendant is

 8   seriously infirmed.     I think that consideration and what's

 9   described in the guidelines really shows the high legal bar

10   that the Court needs to reach to find any of those downward

11   departures apply.

12             We certainly think that they are significant facts

13   regarding Mr. Gaines' conditions and his unique conditions

14   that support a variance, and we'll discuss that.              But I don't

15   think it meets the high bar that's required for the Court to

16   find that he meets one of those downward departure grounds.

17             I think Mr. Mendelsohn fairly notes in his sentencing

18   memorandum that as a 67-year-old defendant Mr. Gaines would

19   surely be on the older side of defendants that are in the

20   prison system.    That is certainly the case, the government

21   agrees.   However, it's also the case that we certainly have

22   defendants in our district that are older.          It is not uncommon

23   in fraud cases that you will have defendants in their late 60s

24   that are facing punishment for crimes that they did against

25   others.   It's not the case that every defendant who is in


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 1   their late 60s qualifies for a downward departure just based

 2   on their age.

 3             Similarly with those physical conditions that are

 4   outlined in paragraphs 47 through 50 of the PSR, I think

 5   Mr. Mendelsohn fairly notes that, again, many of those

 6   conditions -- and there are a lot of them, some of them are

 7   significant and they are chronic issues.          But I think based on

 8   the case law that have developed regarding a departure based

 9   on physical conditions, it would not qualify as extraordinary

10   by themselves.

11             The cases interpreting the guidelines and this

12   downward departure have really underscored how rare it is

13   that this downward departure would apply.          I think in

14   deVegter, and the Eleventh Circuit certainly noted, that this

15   was a discouraged ground for a downward departure.

16             The Court may recall in Mr. Benoit's sentencing some

17   of the cases that were cited, I think they were mostly

18   out-of-circuit cases, but they were cited describing some of

19   the few instances where those type of departures would apply.

20   And it was a case -- I think one was a defendant suffering

21   from a brain tumor.     And there was a 78-year-old with

22   depression and coronary artery disease.

23             Other cases actually in the Eleventh Circuit have

24   denied the application of a downward departure when the

25   defendant similarly faced very serious health conditions,


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 1   things like lymphoma, renal kidney disease, Sickle cell

 2   anemia, HIV.    The fact is that the way that the case law has

 3   developed it takes a truly extraordinary amount of physical

 4   infirmity for that downward departure to apply.

 5             And then it's similar ultimately for the mental and

 6   emotional health downward departure.         I think, again, the PSR

 7   outlines this and describes this very well in paragraphs 51

 8   through 52.    And then, of course, there's the report attached

 9   to the PSR as well.     And those are significant issues.           We do

10   not diminish them in any way.       And I think that, again, is an

11   important factor in the government's ultimate sentencing

12   recommendation.     But based on the case law and how it is

13   developed does not seem to meet the legal requirement of what

14   is present in an unusual degree.

15             There's a case, just to give an example, United

16   States v. Astudillo-Carvajal, that's 788 Fed.Appx. 677.               It's

17   an Eleventh Circuit case from 2019 where the district court

18   there denied a request for downward departure when there was a

19   finding that the defendant suffered from major depression,

20   post-traumatic stress disorder, had low intelligence, various

21   other cognitive issues.      And the Eleventh Circuit noted it did

22   not have jurisdiction essentially to review the denial of that

23   downward departure.     But I thought it was telling in that case

24   with the district court, while it denied the downward

25   departure, it ultimately varied downward 30 months in that


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 1   case.    And I think that analysis is instructive and ultimately

 2   what the government recommends here in terms of the proper

 3   context in which to consider those unique history and

 4   characteristics of the defendant.

 5              With the aberrant conduct downward departure under

 6   5K2.20, there's also an Eleventh Circuit case that I think is

 7   instructive on this.       It's United States v. Orrega, that's 363

 8   F.3d, 1093.     That's an Eleventh Circuit case from 2004.             It,

 9   again, has very similar language in noting that that downward

10   departure applies only in extraordinary cases.            And it held

11   that the commission of two criminal acts by, in that case,

12   having two separate conversations with an undercover agent in

13   an enticement case barred the defendant from receiving that

14   particular downward departure under 5K2.20.

15              Here we don't disagree at all with Mr. Mendelsohn in

16   terms of Mr. Gaines' lifetime of good acts in the community

17   and his military service and civic service as well, but he

18   did, in fact, commit two separate criminal acts as part of

19   this 1001 offense.      This was two separate calls and

20   conversations containing false statements with Special Agent

21   Joe Stites.

22              Paragraph 16 of the PSR describes the first one in

23   which Mr. Gaines, when he was initially called by Agent

24   Stites, reported that Gaines Reservation & Travel had five to

25   six employees.     And when at that point Special Agent Stites


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 1   noted the fact there was 69 employees listed in the PPP loan

 2   application for Gaines Reservation & Travel, Mr. Gaines said

 3   he needed to review the full documents.         Now, of course, at

 4   that time Mr. Gaines knew full well that Gaines Reservation &

 5   Travel had no employees, and yet he made those false

 6   statements and said that he needed to review documents.

 7              There's then a second call which is described in

 8   paragraph 17.    And that occurs the same day but it's two

 9   separate incidents.     And in that second call Mr. Gaines

10   claimed that Gaines Reservation & Travel did, in fact, have 69

11   employees, that it had a large monthly payroll.               And that, of

12   course, and we do not dispute, that those were based on

13   essentially, you know, items that Darrell Thomas coached him

14   to say in response.

15              We do not, you know, again, have any dispute about

16   that; however, there were two separate incidents in which

17   Mr. Gaines provided false statements to Special Agent Stites.

18   And based on that, the departure under 5K2.20 does not apply.

19              The Court notes 5H1.11 also could apply and provide a

20   measure -- or reason for downward departure.           I confess, I

21   have not reviewed that and researched it to figure out cases

22   that have interpreted it to see if it has been in a similar

23   context.

24              But Mr. Gaines certainly does have significant

25   military service, you know, more than two decades of service


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 1   for the Navy.    I'm not sure, but ultimately, you know, the

 2   cases that have applied to that, it does have -- that same

 3   language about the military service has to be present in an

 4   unusual degree and it is otherwise discouraged.               Again, that's

 5   consistent with our view, which is that the appropriate way to

 6   consider all of those factors for Mr. Gaines and all the

 7   things that would point towards a probationary sentence is

 8   taken through the lens of a downward variance rather than

 9   through a downward departure.       And that is just simply as a

10   result of how the case law has developed, that it is truly the

11   rare case where a downward departure based on those grounds

12   would apply.

13             And I think Mr. Mendelsohn himself ultimately, you

14   know, recognized that in his sentencing memo where he notes

15   that the Court could apply a downward variance based on very

16   similar grounds without -- I think his words were apt, without

17   essentially jumping through the hoop of finding a downward

18   departure.

19             And that ultimately is the government's

20   recommendation based on our full consideration of the Section

21   3553(a) factors.     We do think a probationary sentence here is

22   proper.

23             I think the primary thing that is guiding that

24   recommendation is the history and characteristics of

25   Mr. Gaines.    And that I think has been eloquently stated by


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 1   Mr. Mendelsohn both in his sentencing memorandum as well as

 2   his argument today.

 3             It is clear to us that while the -- each individual

 4   factor, even taken in combination of his age and health

 5   conditions and his cognitive issues, are not enough to meet

 6   kind of that legal bar of a downward departure.               It is a

 7   significant factor not only in terms of his commission of the

 8   underlying offense, but also in terms of the outcomes that he

 9   could face and the propriety of the sentence that the Court

10   would impose in terms of what he would be looking at and how

11   he would respond to a prison sentence.

12             In terms of his commission -- how it affected his

13   conduct in the commission of the offense, we certainly have

14   heard defendants that have noted that they were duped by

15   Darrell Thomas and others in certain cases, that they were

16   roped into this scheme, maybe did not know each and every

17   detail but yet still knowingly participated in the fraud.

18             We do think to some measure that that is true for

19   even all those other defendants, that they were -- to some

20   degree may have been misled by Darrell Thomas and others.                But

21   what distinguishes Mr. Gaines here from the other defendants

22   and I think takes him out of the heartland of those other

23   defendants is the unique role that his health conditions

24   played in making him vulnerable.        And that is I think the

25   language that was highlighted specifically in Mr. Mendelsohn's


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 1   sentencing memo, that it essentially noted that he was

 2   exceptionally vulnerable to manipulation.          He did not have any

 3   sort of understanding of the larger scheme.          Was used

 4   essentially as a tool for others simply because he had a

 5   dormant corporation that he had funded and that was

 6   essentially taken advantage of by a family member.

 7              As a result of that, you know, ultimately, as we

 8   learned more about the case, this is why I think the Court

 9   heard that we have a sentence being imposed not on an

10   underlying participation in the PPP loan fraud but based on

11   the lies that were told to Special Agent Stites.

12              We also agree with Mr. Mendelsohn that prison is not

13   the proper environment for someone with Mr. Gaines'

14   conditions.    Mr. Gaines is not one who would benefit from the

15   educational or vocational training at a prison facility.              He's

16   not someone that needs rehabilitation.         He would have to

17   receive medical care, of course, provided by the Bureau of

18   Prisons.   And that would be not only, as Mr. Mendelsohn notes,

19   extremely costly for the government, but it would not

20   ultimately serve a beneficial role really for the justice

21   system in terms of either deterrence or rehabilitation for a

22   defendant that is facing Mr. Gaines' unique circumstances.

23              The countervailing concern, of course, in many cases

24   is the seriousness of the offense and the need to afford

25   adequate deterrence.      I don't think ultimately that the


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 1   government's recommendation of probation in this case

 2   diminishes the seriousness of the offense or the need for

 3   deterrence.

 4             The fact, as I already noted, was that Mr. Gaines did

 5   not knowingly participate in the underlying PPP fraud.               He is,

 6   of course, being sentenced just based on that false statement

 7   to the agents.    And that is significant by itself.            He did

 8   knowingly lie to Special Agent Stites.          Mr. Gaines understood

 9   at the time the difference between the truth and a lie, he

10   knew that he was lying to the federal agent, and he knew it

11   was wrong when he did it.

12             Lying to a federal agent during an investigation can

13   have meaningful consequences to the whole justice system.

14   Those lies can be corrosive and they have a corrosive effect

15   on others.    It can impede the ability for law enforcement to

16   detect and deter criminal conduct.          And indeed criminal

17   conduct in this case was ongoing after Mr. Gaines had this

18   interview with Special Agent Stites.

19             So the nature of this offense itself is significant,

20   and I don't mean to diminish the seriousness of it.              And

21   general deterrence is a fair factor for the Court's

22   consideration to deter others from making similar lies.

23             But ultimately I think that our concern with those

24   two factors is lessened for two reasons.           First, again, is

25   Mr. Gaines' health conditions that make him a very unique


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 1   defendant.    And second is Mr. Gaines' conduct after sentencing

 2   in this case.    I won't belabor the point because we've already

 3   I think on both sides discussed more details about Mr. Gaines'

 4   unique cognitive and physical conditions but it certainly

 5   affected his decision making here.

 6             It is unlikely that a prison sentence here would

 7   deter those with the same condition.         And those without the

 8   same condition would not be deterred either by sending

 9   Mr. Gaines to prison.

10             I think also that Mr. Gaines' conduct since he was

11   charged in this case also shows not only his remorse but also

12   constructive steps that he's taken that reaffirm really the

13   lower need for deterrence and the fact that probation is

14   proper here.

15             As Mr. Mendelsohn noted he agreed to pay full

16   restitution here in this case.       He pled early.      He did not

17   file any sort of motions.      Furthermore, he provided, you know,

18   a statement to the government clarifying his role in the

19   offense and the role of others.        All of those steps I think

20   are constructive and show Mr. Gaines' acceptance of

21   responsibility to a significant degree and his understanding

22   of what he did was wrong.      And it does not seem in light of

23   all those circumstances that a sentence of imprisonment would

24   serve either Mr. Gaines or the justice system.

25             So overall we agree with Mr. Mendelsohn that a


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 1   downward variance is proper.         We think that it -- under

 2   the Section 3553(a) factors it reflects the history and

 3   characteristics of the defendant while also taking into

 4   account the seriousness of the offense and the need for

 5   deterrence.

 6               We think it is a fair result based on the offense

 7   and it is the just result given Mr. Gaines' unique health

 8   conditions and making sure that, you know, he has accepted

 9   responsibility for his offense.

10               THE COURT:    Thank you, Mr. Kitchens.

11               I'm attempted to ask you for a few of those case

12   cites.     I got some of them but not all of them, and I don't

13   have realtime right now, but before I do that I'm going to ask

14   Mr. Mendelsohn a question.         I may not need them.

15               And I will say that I tend to agree with you,

16   Mr. Kitchens, as to 5H1.1, age and 5K2.20, aberrant behavior.

17   I think it's probably a closer call 5H1.3 as to mental health,

18   5H1.4, physical condition, and 5H1.11 as far as his military

19   service.     So I'm conditioned on my question for

20   Mr. Mendelsohn here in a second, I may want some of those case

21   cites, and I'm probably going to want to look at those cases.

22   But I may not need to.

23               Mr. Mendelsohn, you've asked me for, on behalf of

24   your client, a sentence of probation either via variance or

25   via departure.      Mr. Kitchens has stood up on behalf of the


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 1   government and said, your Honor, we agree there should be a

 2   variance to a probationary sentence here.          If I were to agree

 3   with your argument and Mr. Kitchens' argument about variance

 4   and be prepared to sentence your client to a sentence of

 5   probation, would you be waiving your request for a departure

 6   or would you still want me to rule on the formality of the

 7   departure request?

 8             MR. MENDELSOHN:     I think the Court's determination

 9   that it would vary would probably moot out the departure

10   request, so I would be happy to withdraw that.

11             THE COURT:    Very well.

12             Is there any other matter that the Court needs to

13   take up or anything else from either side before I issue

14   sentence in this case?

15             MR. KITCHENS:      Just this is, again, sort of a

16   formality, but to be clear again, we -- and this is consistent

17   with the plea agreement, we will be dismissing the charges

18   against Mr. Gaines that are in the original indictment.

19   That's in case number 1:20-CR-296.

20             THE COURT:    All right.     Very well.

21             Mr. Gaines, if you could please stand, sir.

22             Pursuant to the Sentencing Reform Act               of 1984, it's

23   the judgment of the Court that you, Andre Lee Gaines, are

24   sentenced to five years probation as to Count 1.

25             Sir, I'm going to read some other portions of your


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 1   sentence, but you can have a seat at this point, sir.

 2             It's further ordered that the defendant shall pay to

 3   the United States a special assessment of $100 which shall be

 4   due immediately.     The Court finds that the defendant does not

 5   have the ability to pay a fine, therefore, the Court will

 6   waive the fine in this case.

 7             It's further ordered that the defendant shall make

 8   restitution in the amount of $806,710 to the Clerk of Court

 9   for distribution to the following victims:

10             Cross River Bank in the amount of $782,508.70.              And

11   the US Small Business Administration, $24,201.30.

12             And I will say to my able law clerk, I appreciate her

13   writing out those numbers for me.        I've had a sentencing

14   recently with a lot of big numbers in it and she must have

15   been here and heard me butcher those.         So thank you.

16             Restitution shall be paid in full immediately.              The

17   Court determines that you do not have the ability to pay

18   interest and it is ordered that the interest requirement is

19   waived for restitution.

20             You must pay the above-noted financial penalties in

21   accordance with the schedule of payment sheet of the judgment.

22             All criminal monetary penalties are to be made

23   payable to the Clerk, US District Court, 2211 US Courthouse,

24   75 Ted Turner Drive, Southwest, Atlanta, Georgia, 30303.

25             Any balance that remains unpaid at the commencement


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 1   of the term of supervision shall commence within 30 days of

 2   this judgment on the following terms:

 3               Payable at a rate of no less than 250 monthly to the

 4   US District Court Clerk.

 5               You must notify the Court of any changes in economic

 6   circumstances that might affect the ability to pay this

 7   financial penalty.

 8               You must report to the probation office in the

 9   federal judicial district where you are authorized to reside

10   within 72 hours of the time you are sentenced unless the

11   probation officer instructs you to report to a different

12   probation office or within a different time frame.

13               While on probation you must comply with the following

14   mandatory conditions:

15               You must not commit another federal, state or local

16   crime.

17               You must not unlawfully possess a controlled

18   substance.

19               You must refrain from any unlawful use of a

20   controlled substance.

21               The drug testing condition is suspended based on

22   the Court's determination that you pose low risk of future

23   substance abuse.

24               You must cooperate in the collection of DNA as

25   directed by the probation officer.


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 1             You must make restitution in accordance with 18 USC,

 2   Sections 2248, 2259, 2264, 2327, 3663, 3363(a) and 3664.

 3             As part of your probation you must comply with the

 4   standard conditions of supervision.         These conditions are

 5   imposed because they establish basic expectations for your

 6   behavior while on supervision and identify the minimum tools

 7   needed by probation officers to keep informed, report to the

 8   Court and bring about improvements in your conduct and

 9   condition.    The standard conditions of supervision will be

10   included in your judgment.

11             You must comply with the following special conditions

12   during the term of probation:

13             You must make full and complete disclosure of your

14   finances and submit an audit to your -- of your financial

15   documents at the request of your probation officer.

16             You must provide the probation officer with full and

17   complete access to any requested financial information and

18   authorize the release of any financial information.             The

19   probation office may share the financial information with the

20   United States Attorney's Office.

21             You must not incur new credit card charges or open

22   additional lines of credit without the approval of the

23   probation officer.

24             You must submit your person, property, house,

25   residence, vehicle, papers, computers, other electronic


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 1   communications or data storage devices or media or office to a

 2   search conducted by a United States Probation Officer.

 3   Failure to submit to a search may be grounds for revocation of

 4   release.

 5              You must warn any other occupants that the premises

 6   may be subject to searches pursuant to this condition.

 7              An officer may conduct a search pursuant to this

 8   condition only when reasonable suspicion exists that you

 9   violated a condition of your supervision and that areas to be

10   searched contain evidence of this violation.

11              Any search must be conducted at a reasonable time and

12   in a reasonable manner.

13              You must permit confiscation and/or disposal of any

14   material considered to be contraband or any other item which

15   may be deemed to have evidentiary value of violations of

16   supervision.

17              This sentence is made in view of the sentencing goals

18   delineated in 18 USC, Section 3553(a), and the parties'

19   arguments as to those factors, including:

20              The nature and circumstances of the offense and the

21   history and characteristics of the defendant;

22              The need for the sentence imposed to reflect the

23   seriousness of the offense, to afford adequate deterrence and

24   to protect the public;

25              The kinds of sentences available;


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 1               The kinds of sentence in the sentencing range

 2   established for the applicable category of offense committed

 3   as set forth in the sentencing guidelines;

 4               Any pertinent policy statement;

 5               The need to avoid sentencing disparity;

 6               And the need to provide restitution to victims.

 7               This sentence meets the criteria of punishment,

 8   deterrence and incapacitation and is sufficient but not

 9   greater than necessary to comply with the directives of

10   Section 3553(a).

11               Based on these considerations, I find that this is a

12   just and appropriate sentence, particularly in light of the

13   defendant's age, his mental issues, his physical issues, the

14   fact that other than this offense he has not engaged in

15   criminal activity in his life to any degree.

16               I think also that his military service is important

17   as I consider the history and characteristics of the

18   defendant.    The record will reflect that he served 20 years.

19   I think it was '73 to '94, so it might have even been

20   21 years.    I'm not sure what part of each year, but you served

21   20 years in the Navy, including overseas service, and was

22   honorably discharged.

23               So, sir, I appreciate your service to our country and

24   your willingness to take an oath to give your life so that the

25   rest of us can live free.


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 1               However, this is still a serious crime and warrants

 2   punishment and warrants the punishment of probation.

 3               But based on all of the 3553(a) factors, I do believe

 4   that it's warranted to vary downward here.            Given that I have

 5   varied downward, I understand the defense has withdrawn their

 6   request for departure, so I do not reach the departure

 7   grounds.

 8               Is that correct, Mr. Mendelsohn?

 9               MR. MENDELSOHN:     That is.

10               THE COURT:    Before I advise the defendant of his

11   appeal rights, does the government or the defendant have any

12   further objections to the findings of the Court, the guideline

13   calculations or to the sentence or manner in which it's been

14   pronounced?

15               MR. KITCHENS:     No objections, your Honor.         Just two

16   notes.

17               First, with the restitution order that your Honor

18   imposed, I wanted to note that it should be joint and several

19   with several other defendants that are in the indictment in

20   20-CR-296.

21               THE COURT:    All right.     Let me just put that on the

22   record.

23               And, yes, that wasn't in the materials I received but

24   that would seem to make sense.         The restitution that I've

25   announced earlier, and Mr. Mendelsohn I'm assuming you don't


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 1   disagree or have any argument on this, will be joint and

 2   several with the other defendants in indictment number --

 3             MR. KITCHENS:      20-CR-296.

 4             THE COURT:    -- 20-CR-296.

 5             Mr. Mendelsohn, is that correct?

 6             MR. MENDELSOHN:     That is correct.      And I was actually

 7   going to bring up specifically John Gaines, Darrell Thomas and

 8   Carla Jackson.

 9             THE COURT:    The Court concurs.      So noted.

10             You had something else, Mr. Kitchens?

11             MR. KITCHENS:      We think -- those three I think, the

12   additional defendants that were charged in connection with

13   Gaines Reservation & Travel, of that loan, and the superseding

14   indictment would include Teldrin Foster and we believe Jesika

15   Blakely as well.     We can double-check, but we think it's

16   Jesika Blakely.

17             THE COURT:    Mr. Mendelsohn.

18             MR. MENDELSOHN:     That's fine.     We dropped out of that

19   case largely before the others were added, but to the extent

20   these others participated in preparing the paperwork for that

21   case, we would concur.

22             THE COURT:    What I'll do is it will be joint and

23   several with the other two names just mentioned by

24   Mr. Kitchens as well, which are --

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 1             THE COURT:    Very well.

 2             And, Mr. Kitchens, if you after getting back to your

 3   office realize that that's incorrect, please let us know and

 4   we'll correct that in the record.

 5             MR. KITCHENS:      We certainly will, your Honor.

 6             THE COURT:    Go ahead.

 7             MR. KITCHENS:      I was going to say just the second

 8   point real quick, but I believe the Court has also entered a

 9   consent preliminary order of forfeiture in this case.             And we

10   would just ask that the forfeiture be included, incorporated

11   in the judgment and commitment order as well.

12             THE COURT:    Okay.    It will be.

13             And, Ms. Walker, have I already signed that or do you

14   have it for me?

15             COURTROOM DEPUTY CLERK:       I'll have to print it out

16   for you, sir.

17             THE COURT:    That will be included, and I will sign

18   that at the conclusion of this proceeding.

19             Anything else from either side?

20             MR. MENDELSOHN:     Nothing from the defense.         Thank

21   you.

22             MR. KITCHENS:      Nothing else from the government.

23             THE COURT:    Mr. Gaines, you can appeal your

24   conviction if you believe that your guilty plea was somehow

25   unlawful or involuntary or if there's some other fundamental


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 1   defect in the proceedings that was not waived by your guilty

 2   plea.    You also have the statutory right to appeal your

 3   sentence under certain circumstances, particularly if you

 4   think the sentence is contrary to law.

 5              However, a defendant may waive those rights as part

 6   of a plea agreement, and you've entered into a plea agreement

 7   which with very limited exceptions waives most of your rights

 8   to appeal the sentence itself.        Such waivers are generally

 9   enforceable, but if you believe the waiver is unenforceable,

10   you can present that theory to the Appellate Court.              With few

11   exceptions, any notice of appeal must be filed within 14 days

12   of judgment being entered in your case.

13              If you're unable to pay the cost of your appeal, you

14   may apply for leave to appeal in forma pauperis or without

15   payment of fees.      If you so request, the Clerk of Court will

16   prepare and file a notice of appeal on your behalf.              On appeal

17   you may also apply for court-appointed counsel.

18              If you have any further questions about your right to

19   appeal, I'm sure that Mr. Mendelsohn would be happy to advise

20   you further on this matter.

21              And Ms. Walker just advised me that I did sign the

22   consent order it looks like on August 4th of this year.

23              Mr. Gaines, do you have any questions about anything

24   that I've said at today's sentencing hearing, sir?

25              THE DEFENDANT:     No, your Honor.


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 1              THE COURT:   Counsel, anything else that we need to

 2   discuss?

 3              MR. KITCHENS:     No, your Honor.

 4              MR. MENDELSOHN:    No, Judge.     Thank you.

 5              THE COURT:   All right.     Good to see all of you.

 6              Ms. Walker, Ms. Coudriet, Officer and Officer Ridley,

 7   thank you as well.

 8              Mr. Gaines, best of luck to you, sir.          I think

 9   Mr. Mendelsohn did a fine job of advocating for you in this

10   proceeding, both before me but as importantly I would say I'm

11   sure in his communications with Mr. Kitchens.           It made it an

12   easy decision for me here that counsel for both the government

13   and your counsel agreed on the results here.

14              I obviously considered the 3553(a) factors

15   independent of their arguments, but one thing I always

16   consider, and I believe the law requires me to consider, is

17   the arguments they make as to those factors.           And when, like

18   here, they agree, it can sometimes be difficult for me to do

19   anything but that under the facts, and that's what I thought

20   was appropriate here.

21              I do applaud you for your service to our country.

22   And I'm sorry that you got involved in this.           I hope that you

23   will be infinitely more careful going forward and make sure

24   that you have close family or friends helping you and advising

25   you as you go through the rest of your life so that no one


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 1   else hopefully will take advantage of your condition.

 2             Does that make sense, sir?

 3             THE DEFENDANT:     Yes, your Honor.

 4             THE COURT:    Okay.    Best of luck to you.

 5             Everybody takes care.

 6             That concludes this proceeding.

 7           (PROCEEDINGS REPORTED WERE CONCLUDED AT 1:52 PM.)

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