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Transcript of Change of Plea Hearing — United States v. Daniel Joseph Tisone

Filed January 25, 2023 in U.S. v. Daniel Tisone; one of 7 filings from this case.

No. 2:22-cr-00039-SPC-NPM · Doc. 106 · 2023-01-25 · Docket on CourtListener

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1                   IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                    FOR THE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
2                           FORT MYERS DIVISION
      ________________________________
3                                     )
      UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,       )
4                                     )
                Plaintiff,            )
5                                     )
      vs.                             ) Case No.: 2:22-cr-39-SPC-NPM
6                                     )
      DANIEL JOSEPH TISONE,           )
7                                     )
                Defendant.            )
8     ________________________________)

9                           PLEA HEARING PROCEEDINGS
                    BEFORE THE HONORABLE NICHOLAS P. MIZELL
10
                                    August 26, 2022
11                                     1:42 p.m.

12    APPEARANCES:

13    FOR THE PLAINTIFF:        TRENTON REICHLING, ESQUIRE
                                United States Department of Justice
14                              Office of the United States Attorney
                                2110 First Street, Suite 3-137
15                              Fort Myers, Florida 33901

16

17    FOR THE DEFENDANT:        MARK R. EIGLARSH, ESQUIRE
                                Law Offices of Mark Eiglarsh
18                              3107 Stirling Road, Suite 207
                                Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33312
19

20

21    COURT REPORTER:           Stacey E. Raikes, RMR, CRR
                                2110 First Street, Suite 2-194
22                              Fort Myers, Florida 33901

23

24    ALSO PRESENT:     DANIEL JOSEPH TISONE, DEFENDANT

25    Proceedings previously recorded and subsequently transcribed by
      computer-aided stenography.


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1                                P R O C E E D I N G S

2                              (Court called to order.)

3                 THE DEPUTY CLERK:       Calling case 2:22-cr-39:          United

4     States of America versus Daniel Joseph Tisone.

5                 MR. REICHLING:      Good afternoon, Your Honor.

6                 THE COURT:      Good afternoon.      Go ahead.

7                 MR. REICHLING:      Sorry about that, Judge.

8                 I'm good at making typos and also interrupting you

9     when you ask for me to introduce myself.

10                Trent Reichling on behalf of the United States.                 With

11    me at counsel's table is Roger DeSatis.            He's a special agent

12    with the Department of Treasury.

13                THE COURT:      All right, welcome.

14                MR. EIGLARSH:      Good afternoon, Your Honor.           Mark

15    Eiglarsh on behalf of Daniel Tisone, who is seated to my right.

16                THE COURT:      All right, welcome.          Good afternoon.

17                And let me make sure I'm saying it again.

18                Eiglarsh?

19                MR. EIGLARSH:      Eiglarsh.

20                THE COURT:      Eiglarsh.    Okay, thank you.

21                MR. EIGLARSH:      Gesundheit.

22                THE COURT:      Okay.   All right, thank you.         If I mess

23    it up, don't hesitate to let me know.            And in fact, it's a bit

24    of a complicated indictment and plea agreement.                So if I happen

25    to miss anything going through the colloquy, don't hesitate to



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1     stop us and let me note that as well.

2                 All right.      So, Mr. Tisone, as I'm sure you're aware

3     and have been advised this is what's called a change of plea

4     proceeding.

5                 THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

6                 THE COURT:      And what we'll do is I have the consent

7     from you to proceed before me instead of the District Judge.                   I

8     also have waivers from both you and the government to the

9     objection period that would follow the report I will issue

10    today.    So with all of that, we can go ahead and get underway.

11                I want to make sure I have an amended plea agreement

12    that's here with me.        Everybody has a copy of it with them at

13    the table?

14                MR. EIGLARSH:      Yes, Your Honor.

15                THE COURT:      Okay.   All right, good.

16                To confirm we're all looking at the same thing, it

17    says amended plea agreement on the first page.              It's 28 pages

18    signed by everyone at the back.

19                And, Mr. Tisone, it looks like you initialed each

20    page; yes?

21                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

22                THE COURT:      Now, the first one says DST and all the

23    other pages say DT.        That's all you; right?

24                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, it's Daniel Joseph Tisone, and I

25    thought, to speed the process up, I would just do Daniel



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1     Tisone.

2                 THE COURT:      All right, very good.

3                 Well, again, we are here to make sure you are fully

4     competent and capable of entering an informed plea, that you're

5     aware of the nature of the charges and the consequences of any

6     plea, and that any plea of guilty is knowing and voluntary and

7     supported by facts that satisfy the elements of the charged

8     offenses.    So I'm sure it's already been explained to you, I'm

9     going to have to ask you a lot of questions under oath to

10    confirm all that.        So I'll ask the courtroom deputy to please

11    place you under oath.

12                THE DEPUTY CLERK:       Please stand and raise your right

13    hand.

14                Do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you

15    give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the

16    truth?

17                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes.

18                THE DEPUTY CLERK:       Thank you.      You may be seated.

19                THE COURT:      All right.     Mr. Tisone, you understand

20    you're now under oath, and if you answer any of my questions

21    falsely, your answers could be used against you in another

22    prosecution for perjury or false statement?

23                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

24                THE COURT:      All right.     What's your full name?

25                THE DEFENDANT:      Daniel Joseph Tisone.



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1                 THE COURT:      All right.     And where were you born?

2                 THE DEFENDANT:      Fairfax, Virginia.

3                 THE COURT:      How old are you?

4                 THE DEFENDANT:      I am 35 years old.

5                 THE COURT:      And how far did you go in school?

6                 THE DEFENDANT:      Excuse me?

7                 THE COURT:      How far did you go in school?

8                 THE DEFENDANT:      I graduated college from Catholic

9     University of America with my bachelor's degree.

10                THE COURT:      All right.     Have you been treated

11    recently for any mental illness or an addiction to a narcotic

12    drug?

13                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes.    I just had sinus surgery.

14                THE COURT:      Okay.   Well, no mental illness.

15                THE DEFENDANT:      No.

16                THE COURT:      And you're not currently being treated

17    for some kind of drug addiction problem?

18                THE DEFENDANT:      No.     No, Your Honor.

19                THE COURT:      Okay, all right.       Are you under the

20    influence of any drug or medicine that impairs your ability to

21    understand what we're doing today?

22                THE DEFENDANT:      No, Your Honor.

23                THE COURT:      You're all clearheaded and understand

24    everything?

25                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.



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1                 THE COURT:      Okay, all right, very good.

2                 And you do -- you have received a copy of the

3     indictment that is all the charges against you and discussed

4     the charges and the case in general with your lawyer?

5                 THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

6                 THE COURT:      Okay.   And you're fully satisfied with

7     the counsel and advice given to you in this matter by your

8     lawyer?

9                 THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

10                THE COURT:      All right.     Now, this plea agreement

11    we've talked about.        You had an opportunity to read and discuss

12    the plea agreement with your lawyer before you signed it?

13                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

14                THE COURT:      And the plea agreement represents, in its

15    entirety, any understanding you have with the government?

16                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

17                THE COURT:      You understand the terms of the plea

18    agreement?

19                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

20                THE COURT:      And has anyone made any promises or

21    assurances of any kind to get to you sign on to the plea

22    agreement that are not in the plea agreement?

23                THE DEFENDANT:      No, Your Honor.

24                THE COURT:      Okay.   Has anyone forced you or

25    threatened you in any way to sign on to the plea agreement?



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1                 THE DEFENDANT:      No, Your Honor.

2                 THE COURT:      Or to plead guilty today?

3                 THE DEFENDANT:      No, Your Honor.

4                 THE COURT:      Okay.   All right.      So any plea of guilty

5     from you will be of your own free will because you are, in

6     fact, guilty?

7                 THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

8                 THE COURT:      All right.     You understand the offenses

9     to which you're pleading guilty are felony offenses, and if

10    your plea is accepted, the adjudication of guilt may deprive

11    you of some valuable civil rights like the right to vote, serve

12    on a jury, possess firearms, that kind of thing?

13                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

14                THE COURT:      Okay.   I'm trying to remember, did I ask

15    you if you were born -- you're a citizen of the United States;

16    right?

17                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

18                THE COURT:      All right.     I don't need to advise you

19    about some other things then, okay.            Talk about immigration

20    consequences, that kind of thing.

21                All right.      Well, let's talk about the maximum

22    possible penalties for the offenses.            These are set out in the

23    plea agreement so I'm going to be referring to that.

24                The plea agreement contemplates a plea of guilty to

25    four of the 18 counts.        We've got 2, 8, 14, and 18.



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1                 Sometimes this microphone tends to cut out so if

2     anyone can't hear me, again, just let me know.

3                 All right.      So Count 2 as to wire fraud; Count 8, the

4     bank fraud; Count 14, the illegal monetary transaction; and

5     Count 18, the possession of ammunition by a convicted felon.

6                 Maximum possible penalties were discussed on page 2.

7     Counts 2 and 8 each carry a maximum sentence of 30 years, a

8     fine of up to a million dollars.

9                 Now, Mr. Reichling, the additional language here

10    about or twice the gross gain or twice the gross loss, I take

11    it that only relates to -- well, that's both 2 and 8; right?

12                MR. REICHLING:      That's correct, Judge.

13                THE COURT:      All right, very good.         I think the reason

14    I got confused I was used to saying 18.             I was like there's no

15    way it's a gross gain type penalty if it's possession of

16    ammunition.

17                MR. REICHLING:      No, Judge, no.

18                THE COURT:      All right.

19                MR. REICHLING:      It's just as to Counts 2 and 8.

20                THE COURT:      That's right.      So that's why we fixed

21    that.   We fixed that.       All right, very good.

22                So, again, Counts 2 and 8, maximum sentence is 30

23    years, a fine of up to a million dollars or twice the gross

24    gain caused by the offense or twice the gross loss caused by

25    the offense, whichever is greater.            A term of supervised



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1     release of not more than five years.

2                 Count 14 carries a maximum sentence of ten years, a

3     fine of up to $250,000, or alternate fine of twice the amount

4     of criminally deprived property.

5                 And, let's see, Count 18 carries a maximum sentence

6     of ten years of imprisonment, a fine of up to $250,000, and a

7     term of supervised release of not more than three years.

8                 And each count carries a special assessment of $100.

9     That is discussed in the plea agreement.

10                The Court has to order you to pay restitution to the

11    extent there's victims.        There's also quite a bit in here about

12    the forfeiture of assets.        That's all discussed on pages 7 and

13    8, and I guess refers to quite a bit of ammunition talked about

14    on page 13.

15                And if you violate the terms of any supervised

16    release that would follow any term of incarceration, you could

17    be given additional time in prison.

18                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

19                THE COURT:      So I think that covers all the potential

20    penalties.    All right.

21                So you understand all these penalties I've just

22    talked about?

23                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

24                THE COURT:      Okay.   All right.     Let's talk for a

25    moment about your right to proceed to trial in this matter.



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 1                You do have a right to maintain your not guilty plea

 2     and to proceed to trial.       You'd have a trial by jury.          You'd be

 3     presumed innocent and the government would have to prove your

 4     guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.         You would continue to have

 5     the assistance of your counsel.         You'd have the opportunity to

 6     cross-examine the government's witnesses and object to any

 7     evidence they might offer and you'd also have the ability to

 8     compel the attendance of witnesses in your defense.

 9                You understand all these rights that are associated

10     with a trial I just talked about?

11                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

12                THE COURT:      And do you also understand that if you

13     were to go to trial and decide not to testify, that your

14     silence could not be used against you?

15                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

16                THE COURT:      And you also understand that by entering

17     a plea of guilty, there will be no trial.              You will have waived

18     or given up your right to a trial as well as all the trial

19     rights we just talked about?

20                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

21                THE COURT:      All right.    Let's talk for a moment about

22     sentencing.    Ultimately, your sentence will be determined by a

23     combination of advisory sentencing guidelines and some possible

24     departures from those guidelines.         They are set out in statute,

25     and the probation office will prepare a report that the



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 1     District Judge will use to arrive at your sentence.

 2                Have you and your attorney talked about how the

 3     sentencing guidelines might apply in your case?

 4                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

 5                THE COURT:      And do you understand the sentence

 6     ultimately imposed may be different from any estimate your

 7     attorney might have given you?

 8                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

 9                THE COURT:      You also understand the Court has the

10     authority to impose a sentence that could be greater or lesser

11     than a guideline sentence?

12                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

13                THE COURT:      And on that score, I want to make sure

14     you understand your plea agreement has a waiver of your right

15     to appeal the sentence.       So other than these four exceptions

16     that I talked about on page 17, you understand you're waiving

17     your right to appeal the sentence?

18                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

19                THE COURT:      Okay.   I should also mention, given the

20     nature of the plea agreement, for whatever reason, the District

21     Judge rejects your plea agreement, you will be given the

22     opportunity to withdraw your plea.

23                All right.      Let's go ahead and turn to the factual

24     basis.   At the end of the plea agreement -- and that's set out

25     on several pages here -- okay.



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 1                So your plea agreement, I'm sorry, includes a

 2     recitation of the facts set out, basically, you know, a factual

 3     basis to meet all the elements of the charged offenses, and

 4     these are discussed from pages 19 through 28.             In your plea

 5     agreement, you certify all these facts are true and the

 6     government could prove them beyond a reasonable doubt at trial.

 7                So now I'd just confirm with you, since you're here

 8     under oath, that you agree all these facts could be proven by

 9     the government at trial, they're all true?

10                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

11                THE COURT:      All right.    Now, let's particularize this

12     just a bit.    I'll try to do this count by count.

13                So Count 2, the elements for the charged offense here

14     are set out on page 3 of your agreement.           That's the wire fraud

15     offense.   The elements are that you knowingly devised or

16     participated in a scheme to defraud or to obtain money or

17     property by using false pretenses, representations, or

18     promises, that the false pretenses, representations, or

19     promises were about a material fact, that you acted with the

20     intent to defraud, and that you transmitted or caused to be

21     transmitted by wire some communication in interstate commerce

22     to help carry out the scheme to defraud.

23                Now, these facts for the wire fraud offense, I see

24     they're discussed from 22 to 24 in your plea agreement, and

25     essentially, you've already admitted to all these facts.               So I



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 1     just want to ask you, do you know you're admitting that you

 2     knowingly devised the scheme to defraud?

 3                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

 4                THE COURT:      Okay.   And that you acted with the intent

 5     to defraud?

 6                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

 7                THE COURT:      Okay.   Now, for Count 8, the bank fraud,

 8     the elements there, again, on page 3 of the plea agreement,

 9     that you knowingly carried out or attempted to carry out a

10     scheme to defraud a financial institution or to get money,

11     assets, or other property from a financial institution by using

12     false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises

13     about a material fact, the false or fraudulent pretenses or

14     representations or promises were material, that you intended to

15     defraud the financial institution or someone, and the financial

16     institution was federally insured or chartered.

17                And, again, these facts for this offense, the bank

18     fraud, that's on pages 24 through 26, and you've already

19     admitted to these facts here, but I just want to confirm you're

20     admitting that you carried out or attempted to carry out this

21     scheme knowingly.

22                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

23                THE COURT:      And that you intended to defraud the

24     financial institution that's talked about here?

25                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.



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 1                THE COURT:      Okay.   The Count 14, illegal monetary

 2     transaction, the offenses are quite a few, they carry over from

 3     3 to 4.   The elements are that you knowingly engaged in a

 4     monetary transaction.      The monetary transaction was of a value

 5     greater than $10,000.      The monetary transaction involved

 6     criminally derived property, and the criminally deprived

 7     property was deprived from specified unlawful activity.

 8     Namely, in this matter, wire fraud.          The defendant knew that

 9     the monetary transaction involved criminally deprived property

10     and the monetary transaction took place within the United

11     States.

12                So the facts for this offense are set out, again, 26

13     to 27 of the agreement that you've already admitted to, and

14     again, I just want to confirm now that you're under oath that

15     you knowingly engaged in these monetary transactions.

16                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

17                THE COURT:      You knew these monetary transactions

18     involved criminally derived property?

19                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

20                THE COURT:      All right.    And then Count 18, possession

21     of ammunition by a convicted felon, the elements are that you

22     knowingly possessed the ammunition and that was in interstate

23     commerce, that before you possessed the ammunition, you had

24     been convicted of a felony, and that, at the time you possessed

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 1     And the facts for that are all set out pages 27 to 28.

 2                Again, you acknowledged that you're admitting that

 3     you knowingly possessed this ammunition?

 4                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

 5                THE COURT:      At the time you possessed it, you knew

 6     you were a convicted felon?

 7                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

 8                THE COURT:      All right.

 9                Mr. Reichling, do you see any need for me to question

10     any further about factual basis for the plea?

11                MR. REICHLING:      No, Your Honor.

12                THE COURT:      Okay.

13                All right.      So, Mr. Tisone, how do you plead to Count

14     2 of the indictment, guilty or not guilty?

15                THE DEFENDANT:      Guilty.

16                THE COURT:      To Count 8 of the indictment, guilty or

17     not guilty?

18                THE DEFENDANT:      Guilty.

19                THE COURT:      Count 14 of the indictment?

20                THE DEFENDANT:      Guilty.

21                THE COURT:      And Count 18 of the indictment?

22                THE DEFENDANT:      Guilty.

23                THE COURT:      All right.    I will recommend the District

24     Judge accept your plea and, as I mentioned before, a report

25     will be put together by the probation office for the District



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 1     Judge to arrive at a sentence.         You'll be asked to supply

 2     information for that report, and you can have your counsel with

 3     you during that process, if you like.

 4                I should probably also reiterate, I did notice there

 5     was some language in your plea agreement about continued

 6     cooperation with the government and that, if some things are

 7     not satisfied in your plea agreement, you could be exposed to a

 8     sentence enhancement.      So I just wanted to make sure you

 9     understand that's in your plea agreement as well.

10                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

11                THE COURT:      Okay.

12                Now, about the sentencing, you'll have an opportunity

13     to review that report that the probation office put together.

14     You'll be able to file any objections you might have and you'll

15     have an opportunity -- you and your counsel will have an

16     opportunity to speak on your behalf at your sentencing hearing

17     and that will all be set by a separate notice very soon.

18                THE DEFENDANT:      Okay.

19                THE COURT:      All right.     Anything else I need to cover

20     from the government?

21                MR. REICHLING:      Judge, nothing from the government,

22     although, before Your Honor took the bench, defense counsel and

23     I had begun talking about potentially asking for an additional

24     30 days on top of whatever many days sentencing is set out to.

25     I don't know if that's something Your Honor can recommend or



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 1     not.   I, obviously, would leave it up to Your Honor.             I don't

 2     know how that would work as far as making a recommendation of

 3     the District Court judge, but --

 4                 THE COURT:     Oh.    As far as just scheduling it?

 5                 MR. REICHLING:       Scheduling it, yes.

 6                 THE COURT:     Okay.

 7                 MR. EIGLARSH:     It was my request, Your Honor.          He's

 8     in the process of selling properties and we'd like to come in

 9     to sentencing and be able to say accurately that all the

10     properties have been sold and the government has gotten back

11     every penny that he took.        And we expect that to happen, but

12     people were away during the summer months.             So those who would

13     purchase the properties will be back in the next month or two

14     and we expect that's when we'll gain interest.

15                 THE COURT:     Okay.    So we're contemplating maybe 60

16     days from now for the sentencing?

17                 MR. REICHLING:       Well, usually, I think the sentencing

18     for a case like this, Judge, usually will be in about 60 to 90

19     days out.

20                 THE COURT:     Okay.

21                 MR. REICHLING:       So I don't know if that --

22                 THE COURT:     So 90 to 120 is what we're looking for?

23                 MR. REICHLING:       I mean, this is up to Your Honor and

24     this is defense counsel's request.         The government -- I mean,

25     we don't oppose the request, of course, so I don't know if Your



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 1     Honor can at least indicate that both parties agree to an

 2     additional 30 days.

 3                THE COURT:      Okay.

 4                MR. REICHLING:      And that should be sufficient.

 5                If for any reason it gets set within a certain period

 6     of time that we need to continue -- both sides need to request

 7     a continuance, we can do that.

 8                THE COURT:      Okay.

 9                MR. REICHLING:      So...

10                THE COURT:      Fair enough.     I can pass that.

11                MR. EIGLARSH:      And I like actually specifying 90 to

12     120 because I don't know what -- you know, how soon the Court

13     would consider setting it.

14                THE COURT:      Sure, sure.     We'll put that range in

15     there and pass it on, that it's requested from the defense and

16     not opposed by the government.

17                MR. EIGLARSH:      Thank you, Your Honor.

18                THE COURT:      And let's see.

19                On that score, Mr. Tisone, I notice you are under an

20     order of release with conditions that was previously entered by

21     Judge Frazier.

22                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

23                THE COURT:      I would just, I guess, admonish you once

24     more to make sure you continue to abide by all those

25     conditions.    Were you to violate them, you can expose yourself



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 1     to additional penalties --

 2                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

 3                THE COURT:      -- on top of the penalties for the

 4     indictment.    And now that you've -- once your plea is accepted,

 5     and that will probably happen by Monday, the burden will have

 6     shifted about establishing whether or not you being on release

 7     would be appropriate.      So you'd very likely be detained pending

 8     your sentencing if you violate your order of release.

 9                THE DEFENDANT:      Yes, Your Honor.

10                THE COURT:      Okay.

11                THE DEFENDANT:      I understand.

12                THE COURT:      All right.

13                Anything else?

14                MR. REICHLING:      That's it, Judge.       Thank you.     I

15     appreciate it.

16                MR. EIGLARSH:      Nothing further, Your Honor.          Thank

17     you so much.

18                THE COURT:      All right.    Very good.     We'll be in

19     recess.   Thanks.

20                 (Proceedings were concluded at 2:00 p.m.)

21                               * * * * * * * * * *

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 1                             CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER

 2

 3     UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT )

 4     MIDDLE DISTRICT OF FLORIDA        )

 5

 6                I, Stacey E. Raikes, RMR, CRR, Official Court

 7     Reporter for the United States District Court, Middle District

 8     of Florida, do hereby certify, pursuant to Section 753, Title

 9     28, United States Code, that I was authorized to and did

10     stenographically report the foregoing proceedings; and that the

11     foregoing pages constitute a true and complete computer-aided

12     transcription of my original stenographic notes taken by the

13     undersigned in the above-entitled matter to the best of my

14     knowledge, skill, and ability.

15           I further certify that I am not a relative, employee,

16     attorney, or counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative

17     or employee of any of the parties' attorneys or counsel

18     connected with the action, nor am I financially interested in

19     the action.

20           IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand at Fort

21     Myers, Lee County, Florida, this 18th day of April 2023.

22

23

24                                           ___________________________
                                              STACEY E. RAIKES, RMR, CRR
25                                             Official Court Reporter




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