Pandemic Darlings The pandemic economy, in original documents
Home Court filings USA v. Sary — U.S. District Court, District of Maryland Transcript of Detention Review Hearing — United States v. Ahmed Sary

Court filing

Transcript of Detention Review Hearing — United States v. Ahmed Sary

Summary

Transcript of Detention Review Hearing in United States v. Ahmed Sary, U.S. District Court, District of Maryland. The PDF is 638,398 bytes, and no public link to an original was identified.

Summary drafted by a model from the document's text below and checked by script against that text before publication. It is a navigation aid, not a reading of what the document proves. Where AI is used

Cite this document

“Transcript of Detention Review Hearing — United States v. Ahmed Sary.” Archived at Pandemic Darlings, https://pandemicdarlings.com/court-filings/us-v-ahmed-sary/2022-05-12-transcript-dkt-28/.

Full text

     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28   Filed 05/12/22   Page 1 of 58




 1                    IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                         FOR THE DISTRICT OF MARYLAND
 2                             NORTHERN DIVISION

 3    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,         )
                                        )
 4              Plaintiff,              )
           vs.                          )
 5                                      ) CRIMINAL NO.:
      AHMED M. SARY,                    ) 1:22-mj-01286-JMC
 6                                      )
                Defendant.              )
 7    __________________________________)

 8
                                                 Baltimore, Maryland
 9                                               May 9, 2022
                                                 4:00 p.m.
10

11                        TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
                           DETENTION REVIEW HEARING
12                 BEFORE THE HONORABLE DEBORAH L. BOARDMAN
                                 Courtroom 3A
13

14    For the Plaintiff:

15          Paul A. Riley, Esquire
            Abigail E. Ticse, Esquire
16            Assistant U.S. Attorneys

17
      For the Defendant:
18
            Julie M. Reamy, Esquire
19

20    Also Present:    Nevine Ibrahim, Interpreter

21         Proceedings recorded by mechanical stenography, transcript
      produced by computer.
22
      _____________________________________________________________
23
                         Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR
24                      Federal Official Court Reporter
                        101 W. Lombard Street, 4th Floor
25                         Baltimore, Maryland 21201
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 2 of 58
                                                                                2


 1                             P R O C E E D I N G S

 2        (4:21 p.m.)

 3                THE COURT:    Good afternoon, everyone.          The Government

 4    please call the case.

 5                MR. RILEY:    Good afternoon, Your Honor.           Calling the

 6    case of the United States of America versus Ahmed Sary, Case

 7    Number 22-mj-1286-JMC.      Assistant U.S. Attorneys Paul Riley and

 8    Abigail Ticse on behalf of the Government.              We're proceeding in

 9    connection with an appeal of an Order Setting Conditions of

10    Release, Your Honor.

11                THE COURT:    Okay, good afternoon to both of you.

12    Please have a seat.      Ms. Reamy?

13                MS. REAMY:    Good afternoon, Your Honor.           For the

14    record, my name is Julie Reamy.         I represent Ahmed Sary; he's

15    standing to my left at trial table.

16                THE COURT:    Okay, good afternoon to you.           Good

17    afternoon, Mr. Sary.      I'm going to remove my mask because I'm

18    vaccinated.    If you are fully vaccinated and are speaking, you

19    may remove your mask.      If you're comfortable, you of course can

20    keep your mask on all the time.         If you're not vaccinated, your

21    mask stays on.     If you're not speaking, please wear your mask.

22    All right?

23                Let's swear the interpreter in, please.

24        (Interpreter duly sworn.)

25                THE CLERK:    Could you please state your name for the




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 3 of 58
                                                                                   3


 1    record.

 2                THE INTERPRETER:     Nevine Ibrahim.

 3                THE COURT:    Are you certified interpreter of Arabic;

 4    is that correct?

 5                THE INTERPRETER:     I am proficient interpreter, Your

 6    Honor, towards the certification.

 7                THE COURT:    In Arabic, that's the language, correct?

 8                THE INTERPRETER:     Yes, yes.

 9                THE COURT:    Okay, you can have a seat, thank you.

10                THE INTERPRETER:     Thank you.

11                THE COURT:    We are here, as Mr. Riley said, on an

12    appeal of a detention -- excuse me, a release order issued

13    earlier today by Judge Hurson.         The Government has appealed

14    that, and of course the Court reviews the pretrial release

15    order and any detention order de novo.           I need to make an

16    independent determination of whether or not there are

17    conditions of release that will reasonably assure Mr. Sary's

18    appearance and the safety of the community.

19                So let me just tell you what I have reviewed so far.

20    I have reviewed Judge Hurson's release order.             I have reviewed

21    the Government's May 8 filing in this case, document 15.                 I

22    have reviewed Ms. Reamy's submission, document 17.               I have read

23    the criminal complaint and the affidavit in support of the

24    criminal complaint and the search warrant for various homes,

25    the Pretrial Services report, and I have the Government's




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 4 of 58
                                                                                     4


 1    exhibit and exhibit list from this morning.

 2                So with that, Mr. Riley, I will hear from you.

 3                MR. RILEY:    Yes, Your Honor.       I don't know that I

 4    have received a copy of Judge Hurson's detention -- release

 5    order in this case.      It may have just been docketed.           Obviously

 6    I was present at the hearing so I don't know that I -- the most

 7    important person to have a copy is you, Your Honor, but I will

 8    note that I have not received that.          And we are moving pretty

 9    quickly here, given that the hearing before Judge Hurson was

10    just a few hours ago.      I did want to note that.

11                THE COURT:    I can make you a copy if that is at all

12    useful.

13                MR. RILEY:    That would be helpful, Your Honor.             I'm

14    happy to, if Your Honor likes, if we get the copy made, if I

15    could have even two minutes to review it --

16                THE COURT:    Sure.

17                MR. RILEY:    -- very brief period of time.           I think I

18    have a good sense of what the ruling was, but the actual

19    written order, it would be nice to see that --

20                THE COURT:    Absolutely.

21                MR. RILEY:    -- I apologize.

22                THE COURT:    No problem, we're moving fast.

23                Mr. Riley, Mr. Sary has been detained since April 29;

24    is that correct?

25                MR. RILEY:    Let me check my calendar here -- April




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB    Document 28     Filed 05/12/22   Page 5 of 58
                                                                                    5


 1    29, yes, that was Friday.           Yes, Your Honor, that's correct.          I

 2    would note this matter was originally set in for a detention

 3    hearing before Judge Copperthite on Wednesday last week.                   There

 4    was a continuance asked for by counsel, granted by the Court,

 5    which resulted in us being before Judge Hurson this morning.

 6                  THE COURT:    Understood.      Ms. Reamy, are the

 7    third-party custodians that were part of the release order,

 8    Ms. Sary and Ms. Derezinski, are they here?

 9                  MS. REAMY:    Yes.

10                  THE COURT:    I see them raising their hand.

11          (Document tendered to counsel.)

12                  MR. RILEY:    Thank you, Your Honor.         If I could have a

13    couple minutes to review this quickly.

14                  THE COURT:    Of course.

15                  MR. RILEY:    Thank you.

16          (Pause.)

17                  MR. RILEY:    Thank you, Your Honor.

18                  THE COURT:    I'm ready to hear from you, Mr. Riley.

19                  MR. RILEY:    Thank you for your patience, Your Honor.

20    I know Your Honor is reviewing -- for the record, Your Honor,

21    I'm vaxed and boosted so I'll be removing my mask.

22                  THE COURT:    Okay.    If we could all slow down one

23    step.     I'm reminding myself as well, so the interpreter can

24    interpret us in real time.

25                  MR. RILEY:    Thank you, Your Honor.         I do have a




              Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 6 of 58
                                                                                   6


 1    tendency to speak quickly, so I'll do my best.              Your Honor, the

 2    Government would ask this Court to revoke the release order

 3    entered earlier today and enter an order of detention.                 The

 4    Government is seeking detention on the basis of risk of flight

 5    as well as economic danger to the community.             The Government

 6    also submits that there is a serious risk that this defendant

 7    will obstruct justice or attempt to obstruct justice.

 8                Your Honor has reviewed the complaint, Your Honor has

 9    reviewed the Government's submission in support of detention.

10    I don't want to belabor the points made and the facts in those

11    documents, but I want to touch briefly on a couple of the

12    3142(g) factors that support detention here.

13                With respect to the nature and circumstances of the

14    offense, Your Honor, this defendant is charged in connection

15    with a sophisticated and far-reaching scheme involving the

16    submission of numerous Paycheck Protection Program loans,

17    Economic Injury Disaster Loans, both of which were provided in

18    connection with the CARES Act in light of the pandemic.                 These

19    were loans meant to help small business owners across the

20    country.

21                The Government's investigation has revealed that this

22    defendant submitted millions of dollars' worth of loans on

23    behalf of various purported businesses, and then he received

24    kickbacks as a result of his submission of these loans,

25    sometimes amounting to as much as 30 percent of the loan




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 7 of 58
                                                                               7


 1    amount.   These loans were obtained by purported businesses

 2    across the country, California, New York, New Jersey, Virginia,

 3    Texas, Maryland and so on.       And this scheme involved multiple

 4    co-conspirators, multiple shell companies that were used to

 5    launder these kickbacks.       The PPP loan applications submitted

 6    by this defendant were backed by fake documents such as fake

 7    bank statements and fake IRS forms.

 8                The complaint references, Your Honor, 40 Paycheck

 9    Protection Program loans, 10 million -- amounting to

10    $10 million worth of losses and $2.5 million in kickback

11    payments paid to entities associated with this defendant, Your

12    Honor, as well as entities associated with his

13    co-conspirators.

14                Now from the Government's perspective, Your Honor,

15    these 40 loans, this $10 million is the tip of the iceberg in

16    connection with this fraud, in connection with this scheme, and

17    based on the results of the search warrant executed on Friday

18    two weeks ago, the Government has identified 54 EIDL

19    applications that come back to an IP address associated with

20    this defendant's purported business located at 1600 Hanover

21    Street.

22                Moreover, Your Honor, a search of an apartment,

23    Apartment B at 1600 Hanover Street adjacent to this defendant's

24    business, a search of that location revealed more than 90

25    files, hard copy files meticulously organized that reflected




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB    Document 28     Filed 05/12/22   Page 8 of 58
                                                                                      8


 1    businesses -- business submissions for PPP loans.                 These files

 2    contained numerous amounts of PII, copies of driver's licenses,

 3    Social Security numbers, bank statements, tax documents, as

 4    well as copies of checks and PPP application paperwork.                  Some

 5    of the files, Your Honor, contained doctored bank statements as

 6    well.

 7                  These files weren't located in this defendant's

 8    business address, Your Honor.            They weren't located at 1600

 9    Hanover Street.       They were located in an adjacent apartment

10    next to the business -- hidden, from the Government's

11    perspective.

12                  Based on the revelations from the search warrant

13    conducted on the 29th of April, the Government is still

14    wrapping its arms around the scope of this defendant's fraud,

15    but it appears to be larger and more far-reaching based on

16    those 90-plus files we obtained, Your Honor, than we had first

17    suspected.      So all of this is to say, Your Honor, that the

18    fraud scheme at issue here, what's charged in this case, it's a

19    far-reaching scheme involving many loans, involving potentially

20    quite high loss amounts.

21                  I note too, Your Honor, the fact that this offense

22    involved fake bank statements, fake tax forms, this underscores

23    not only the seriousness of this offense, but perhaps suggests

24    a facility by this defendant to obtain other fake documents,

25    either obtain them or create them, Your Honor.                I will




              Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 9 of 58
                                                                               9


 1    acknowledge, Your Honor -- and Judge Hurson asked me about this

 2    this morning -- the Government did not find any holograms or

 3    any documents suggesting that he was creating fake passports or

 4    fake licenses, I acknowledge that.

 5                The point I'm making, Your Honor, is there's at least

 6    some facility there or at least some facility to get in touch

 7    with the right person and get those potentially fake travel

 8    documents, like new driver's licenses, new passport and so on.

 9    The type of items that could facilitate flight from justice.

10    And so too, Your Honor, is the fact that what was -- based on

11    what was recovered during the search, this defendant had access

12    to huge, a huge amount of PII, new Social Security numbers,

13    numerous copies of driver's licenses, banking information and

14    so on.

15                THE COURT:    Is there any evidence that he stole that

16    information, or was it provided to him by people who

17    participated in this alleged fraud?

18                MR. RILEY:    From the Government's perspective, we

19    understand it to be the latter, Your Honor, that the potential

20    loan applicants were arguably part of the scheme to defraud.             I

21    don't want to foreclose the possibility there might be a victim

22    here or there, but that doesn't change the fact -- even if the

23    loan applicants were involved in the scheme, Your Honor, there

24    is applicant 1 referenced in the complaint who obtained a

25    $250,000-plus PPP loan, paid out 25 percent plus in kickbacks




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 10 of 58
                                                                                10


 1    to this defendant, purchased a Mercedes, purchased a luxury

 2    apartment and so on.      So it's possible, Your Honor, that some

 3    folks could be victims, but the Government has the latter

 4    understanding that Your Honor referenced.

 5                The point I was making, Your Honor, is that this

 6    defendant had access to a huge amount of PII, and he may still

 7    potentially have access to it if he is released to his home.

 8                I'd also note, Your Honor, that during the searches

 9    conducted on the 29th, law enforcement recovered numerous,

10    numerous vehicle titles, original vehicle titles, and those

11    titles were not all in this defendant's name, further

12    underscoring this defendant's access to important documents,

13    the type of documents that would potentially allow him or

14    bespeak his ability to obtain or gain possession of a vehicle

15    that law enforcement might not know about, further underscoring

16    the risk of flight.

17                With respect to the weight of the evidence, the

18    weight of the evidence is quite strong here, Your Honor, as set

19    out in our detention submission.          Entities that this defendant

20    controlled, and that were at least on paper controlled by his

21    associates, received numerous kickbacks from businesses that

22    received PPP loans.      I'll just give two examples for two

23    purported entities tied to this defendant.

24                There's the Am Halal Meat company.            Am Halal Meat

25    received $301,000 approximately in kickback payments from 15




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 11 of 58
                                                                                  11


 1    different entities that received PPP loans.               AMEX Financial

 2    Group, another one of the defendant's purported businesses,

 3    received $758,341.15 worth of kickback loans from 32 different

 4    entities that received PPP loans.          And there were multiple

 5    other entities involved in this case that, from the

 6    Government's perspective, we understand were used to launder

 7    these kickback payments

 8                At times, as with applicant 1, Your Honor, there were

 9    kickback checks made out to just two entities.              Certain other

10    occasions, there were kickback checks made out to up to nine

11    different entities to launder, to break up these proceeds.

12                I'd note as well, Your Honor, that law enforcement,

13    during the search conducted of Apartment B, 1600 Hanover

14    Street, located blank checks associated with two entities that

15    weren't in defendant's name; that were in the name of

16    defendant's associates, blank checks that were signed by

17    authorized signatories but with the payee left blank and with

18    the amount left blank, indicating, Your Honor, this defendant's

19    control over some of those entities that weren't in his name

20    that were used to launder funds.

21                THE COURT:    So, wait, who were those blank checks

22    signed by, according to you?

23                MR. RILEY:    They were signed by authorized

24    signatories on the accounts, not this defendant.               So, for

25    example, Your Honor, without getting into the specific name,




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28     Filed 05/12/22   Page 12 of 58
                                                                                       12


 1    one of the entities used to launder funds, from the

 2    Government's perspective, received 173,000-plus in kickback

 3    payments from a number of PPP loan recipients.               During the

 4    search for that purported business, law enforcement found

 5    checks that were signed by an authorized signatory, not the

 6    defendant, that were blank.         No payee information --

 7                THE COURT:    Help me understand how that is evidence

 8    of fraud.    Are you alleging that he forged their name?

 9                MR. RILEY:    I apologize -- no, I am not.            I am

10    suggesting this shows this defendant's control.

11                THE COURT:    Okay, I understand.

12                MR. RILEY:    So the entities that were in this

13    defendant's name, his businesses, purported businesses like Am

14    Halal, AMEX Financial Group, they received kickbacks from

15    numerous entities.       Other entities that weren't in his name

16    received kickback payments.

17                THE COURT:    Okay.

18                MR. RILEY:    And two of -- for two of those entities,

19    there were signed checks.         Again suggesting that -- his sort of

20    key role in this conspiracy even if his name isn't on the

21    purported business.       Is that responsive to Your Honor?

22                THE COURT:    It is.       I understand, I believe.          I was

23    looking at, I think, your exhibits, Exhibit 1 with various

24    blank checks.

25                MR. RILEY:    Yes, Your Honor.         Those blank checks are




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR    Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28     Filed 05/12/22   Page 13 of 58
                                                                                 13


 1    not what I was referring to.           These blank checks actually play

 2    a different role in the scheme.           Your Honor, I'll direct the

 3    Court to Exhibit 1.

 4                Exhibits 1 through 3, Your Honor, all reflect checks

 5    from purported businesses that received PPP funds.

 6                THE COURT:    Okay.

 7                MR. RILEY:    All of these checks were seized during

 8    the execution of the search warrant on the 29th.                Take

 9    Exhibit 1, for example, Your Honor.            This business, this

10    purported business -- bear with me for one second, I apologize.

11                This purported business received $195,650 PPP loan,

12    paid kickbacks amounting to 22 percent of the loan value to

13    various entities, including AMEX Financial Group which is the

14    defendant's purported business.           But what we have here, Your

15    Honor, is blank checks signed.           We understand this to be an

16    authorized signatory.       Numerous blank checks: $15,000, $15,000,

17    $4,000, $5,000, $5,000.

18                We understood that it was part of this defendant's

19    scheme to assist loan applicants with getting the PPP loans and

20    then request that signed checks with no payee information, with

21    no pay information and no date, he left with that.                And that he

22    would be the one who would write out who -- the entities that

23    would receive these checks.       So we understand that the

24    defendant was in control of the process to write out the

25    kickback checks, get them deposited.            And the Government's




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR    Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 14 of 58
                                                                               14


 1    understanding is supported by what applicant 1 referred to in

 2    the complaint said about the person who he knew as "Adam."

 3                He said that Adam, he met Adam at the address at 1600

 4    Hanover Street, that Adam submitted the PPP loan, that Adam

 5    told him to sign checks, to make out the checks but to leave

 6    payee blank.

 7                THE COURT:    Okay.

 8                MR. RILEY:    He saw those -- I'm sorry, Your Honor?

 9                THE COURT:    I understand now your point with these.

10                MR. RILEY:    Okay.   The same goes with Exhibit 2,

11    another purported business.       This business received a $421,000

12    PPP loan, paid kickbacks amounting to 10 percent loan amount,

13    including Am Halal Meat, one of the defendant's businesses.

14                Exhibit 3, this entity received a PPP loan for over

15    $950,000, paid kickbacks amounting to 19 percent of the loan

16    amount, including over $70,000 to Am Halal Meat.

17                The pattern we've seen with respect to the kickbacks,

18    these blank checks secured by law enforcement consistent

19    with -- they corroborate our understanding of the scheme and

20    they corroborate what applicant 1 told law enforcement when

21    interviewed.

22                Applicant 2, not referenced in the complaint,

23    explained a similar experience.          He said similar things to

24    applicant 1, Your Honor.       His purported business received a

25    loan in excess of $250,000, and he paid approximately $75,000




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 15 of 58
                                                                                     15


 1    in kickbacks after receiving a loan.           It's approximately 30

 2    percent of the loan value.       He said that he met someone named

 3    Adam at an address at Hanover Street and that he had never seen

 4    the loan application, never seen the supporting documents

 5    submitted with the loan application, such as a purported IRS

 6    Form 940.

 7                The IRS, of course, confirms that they have no record

 8    of a Form 940 being filed in connection with applicant 2's

 9    business.    Applicant 2 noted further, with respect to the

10    kickback checks, that Adam told him to provide signed checks

11    with the amounts filled in but with the payee blank and that he

12    did so, again, consistent with what applicant 1 said and

13    consistent with the results of the search and consistent with

14    the flow of funds that we can see in connection with the

15    kickback payments.

16                So all this is to say the scheme, the laundering of

17    money is sophisticated, it involves multiple entities.                  This

18    defendant's own entities --

19                THE COURT:    Let me just, so I don't want to repeat,

20    it's ten to 5:00.       I want to cut to some things that I think

21    are important.

22                MR. RILEY:    Yes, Your Honor.

23                THE COURT:    So I definitely want to get to why you

24    think that he's a serious flight risk.

25                MR. RILEY:    Yes, Your Honor.




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 16 of 58
                                                                                    16


 1                THE COURT:    But before we do that, as I read the

 2    complaint, clearly one of the concerns the Court has is whether

 3    or not an individual has stolen Social Security numbers, has

 4    lied about his own identity or Social Security numbers.                 I'm

 5    not at all diminishing the alleged fraud you described, but

 6    when I read this, I don't see that he's lied about his address

 7    or his Social Security number.         Everything was submitted under

 8    his name.    Is that right?

 9                MR. RILEY:    Or his own purported businesses.

10                THE COURT:    Or his own purported businesses which I

11    understand your view is those are either sham businesses or he

12    lied about the nature of the businesses.

13                MR. RILEY:    And those businesses were used to launder

14    funds in connection with numerous other fraud --

15                THE COURT:    For other fraudulent applications.

16                MR. RILEY:    Yes, Your Honor.        With respect to lies

17    and perhaps omissions, I'd note that the Pretrial Services

18    report references the defendant's -- just one purported

19    business.    There's a business called Sary Stars that the

20    defendant says employs him.       Sary Stars, Your Honor, is a

21    business that received kickback loans in connection with this

22    scheme, $218,857 from at least eight different entities that

23    received PPP loans.

24                He didn't reference to Pretrial Services --

25    Ms. Jackson is not here -- didn't reference Am Halal Meat,




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB    Document 28   Filed 05/12/22   Page 17 of 58
                                                                               17


 1    didn't reference to Pretrial Services his employment by Am Ex

 2    Financial Group.        So those aren't lies, Your Honor, but they

 3    are omissions and material ones.          Apart from the Sary Stars

 4    employment information, the Government is not aware of this

 5    defendant's other employment apart from being self-employed.

 6                Now I want to talk about this defendant's history and

 7    characteristics which I think informs the Government's view

 8    about risk of flight.        This defendant has multiple family

 9    members in Egypt.        Over the past two years, he's taken seven

10    trips to Egypt.     He stayed there for at least two weeks.

11    There's one one-month trip, there was a five-week trip, there's

12    a seven-week trip.        The defendant just returned from Egypt on

13    April 9, 2022.     Extensive travel to Egypt, extensive travel to

14    Egypt during the heart of this conspiracy.

15                I appreciate what counsel said in her submission and

16    the defendant's submission with respect to deaths in the family

17    during this time period as well.          I appreciate the desire to be

18    with family during those times.          But we're not talking about

19    one or two trips, Your Honor.          We're talking about numerous

20    trips to Egypt.

21                I'd note as well, Your Honor, that the Government is

22    very concerned about access to at least one international

23    account.    During a search of this defendant incident to his

24    arrest, his wallet, law enforcement seized a bank card for a

25    bank out of Egypt, in addition to numerous other bank cards.




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 18 of 58
                                                                                  18


 1                THE COURT:    Was that bank involved in this alleged

 2    fraud?

 3                MR. RILEY:    Your Honor, at this time the Government

 4    has no visibility into that account, so --

 5                THE COURT:    Okay.   But the funds that were obtained

 6    weren't directed to that account as far as you know?

 7                MR. RILEY:    Not as far as I know, Your Honor.

 8                THE COURT:    All right, go ahead.

 9                MR. RILEY:    At this time I don't have visibility into

10    that account.     So I would submit, Your Honor, that the foreign

11    bank account is troubling to the Government; this defendant's

12    extensive travel to Egypt is troubling to the Government.

13                One of the questions that Judge Hurson had for me a

14    few hours ago was, "Well, what is the current state of play

15    with respect to this defendant's bank accounts?"               I don't have

16    up-to-date information, Your Honor, as to how much this

17    defendant currently has in his bank accounts.              What I have --

18    and I didn't have this earlier this morning -- is historical

19    information.

20                I have one account, the ending date for this is June

21    2021, balance of $31,000 plus.         Another account, the ending

22    date is October 10, '21, balance of $41,500 plus.               Another

23    account, this is an account for Am Halal Meat business, ending

24    date May 31, 2021, balance of $340,150.67.              AMEX Financial

25    Group, another account, another purported business, ending date




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB    Document 28     Filed 05/12/22    Page 19 of 58
                                                                                      19


 1    May 31, 2021, balance of $147,785.             And there are accounts --

 2    two accounts associated with his wife at different banks.                     One

 3    has just under $10,000, ending date October 19, '21; the other

 4    $9,500, ending date for which we have information October 4,

 5    2021.

 6                  So, in addition -- again, this is historical

 7    information.      I don't have updated information.              We haven't

 8    gotten the subpoena responses back yet as to the current state

 9    of play.      Those are not insignificant funds, not an

10    insignificant amount of money.           So that coupled with the

11    international bank account that we, again, don't have

12    visibility into, potentially suggests that this defendant has

13    the resources to flee.        And again, this is only the account the

14    Government knows about, Your Honor.

15                  THE COURT:    You have in the complaint that the funds

16    went into certain accounts, like an M&T account and other

17    accounts --

18                  MR. RILEY:    Yes, Your Honor.

19                  THE COURT:    Do you have access to what's in those

20    accounts and the current state of those accounts?

21                  MR. RILEY:    Currently, no, Your Honor.            Those

22    accounts that -- I gave Your Honor historical information and

23    listed the last information that we have.                 I don't know what

24    the current state of those accounts are.

25                  THE COURT:    Let me ask you this.          When was, according




              Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 20 of 58
                                                                                 20


 1    to you, that you know of, the last transmission of fraudulent

 2    funds into one of those accounts?          It looks like it ended at

 3    the end of last year; is that correct?

 4                MR. RILEY:    Well, Your Honor, I don't know when the

 5    last transmission of funds is.         I do know, Your Honor, that

 6    there was a submission or there were submissions of

 7    applications as late as December 30, 2021.              Submissions for PPP

 8    EIDL loans.     I can't speak to the flow after that, Your

 9    Honor.

10                THE COURT:    Okay.

11                MR. RILEY:    This defendant is a naturalized U.S.

12    citizen.     He had a U.S. passport.       The Government seized his

13    passport.     I do understand -- this is Government's Exhibit 4 --

14    that among the items seized by law enforcement was an Egyptian

15    ID card.     I can't speak to this defendant's citizenship in

16    Egypt.     I inquired with Department of Homeland Security, with

17    the State Department; they can't tell me whether he has a dual

18    citizenship with Egypt.       What we see from the ID card, it's

19    some sort of formal relationship with the state of Egypt.                The

20    Government's not aware of any law that would prevent the

21    Egyptian embassy from getting this defendant a new passport if

22    he were to go --

23                THE COURT:    Do you know if he -- this is not an

24    Egyptian passport.       This is an ID card.       So do we know if he

25    has an Egyptian passport?




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB    Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 21 of 58
                                                                                    21


 1                 MR. RILEY:    I found out this morning when counsel

 2    noted that he has an expired Egyptian passport, so I can't

 3    speak to whether he has a current passport, and I can't speak

 4    to what would happen if he were to go and try to obtain an

 5    Egyptian passport.

 6                 THE COURT:    Do we know if the Egyptian passport

 7    that's expired is from 25 years ago or if it's from two years

 8    ago?

 9                 MR. RILEY:    I don't --

10                 THE COURT:    You don't know.

11                 MR. RILEY:    I think counsel said it expired in 2005?

12    I'm sure she'll correct me.        I've seen some nods here.             That's

13    old, Your Honor, but I think Your Honor -- I hope Your Honor

14    understands my point.

15                 I guess what I'm getting at, Your Honor, is there's

16    no -- the fact that we have his American passport isn't

17    dispositive in this analysis.

18                 THE COURT:    What about the fact that he has five

19    American children here and a wife in the home?               What do I do

20    about that fact?

21                 MR. RILEY:    Certainly those are ties.           Those are ties

22    to Maryland, he simply wants to be with his family.                 I

23    understand that.        At the same time, Your Honor, he's looking at

24    very significant punishment if he proceeds to trial, or if he

25    pleads guilty, the offense is severe here.               I can see incentive




             Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22    Page 22 of 58
                                                                                   22


 1    to flee.

 2                I can't speak to his relationship with his family.

 3    By all accounts, he's a loving father and loving husband, but

 4    the Government is concerned about --

 5                THE COURT:    So let me just understand.            The basis for

 6    the proffer of the serious risk of flight is he's a naturalized

 7    citizen from Egypt, he has traveled to Egypt several times for

 8    significant periods over the last several years, he has an

 9    Egyptian ID card on him, and there were several hundred

10    thousand dollars in various accounts as of last fall.

11                MR. RILEY:    There's significant dollar amounts.            I

12    think probably if you add it up, we're getting pretty high up

13    there in terms of the amount, the total amount.                Probably north

14    of 100, 150 -- I'm sorry, north of a half million dollars, Your

15    Honor.     That plus the fact that we have zero -- we are aware of

16    a foreign bank account that unfortunately we have zero

17    visibility into, and coupled with just the nature of this

18    scheme, Your Honor --

19                THE COURT:    Well, the nature of the scheme, the

20    allegations are serious, without a doubt.               What I'm trying to

21    decide is if there are any conditions of release that will

22    reasonably assure the safety of the community.               I'm looking at

23    whether or not I can trust Mr. Sary to report to Court.

24    Indicia of not being able to trust someone is, in my view,

25    certainly alleged fraudulent activity, there's deception,




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB    Document 28   Filed 05/12/22   Page 23 of 58
                                                                                  23


 1    there's the creation of I guess IRS documents.

 2                But I don't see, as you've admitted, that there's a

 3    demonstrated or evidence of an ability to create a passport, a

 4    travel document -- I guess I'm just having a hard time

 5    detaining someone when they've got five children, a wife, a

 6    house that will be posted, no criminal history, no acts of

 7    violence, serious allegations of fraud against the Government

 8    without a doubt.        But when the standard is reasonable

 9    assurance... I'm just not sure the Government has met its

10    burden by a preponderance, that there's a serious risk of

11    flight.

12                You mentioned obstruction of justice.             Let me hear

13    about that.

14                MR. RILEY:     Yes, Your Honor.       From the Government's

15    perspective, there is a serious risk that at this defendant's

16    release, that he will obstruct or attempt to obstruct justice.

17    This case involves numerous co-conspirators, the folks who

18    submitted -- who this defendant facilitated the submission of

19    PPP applications for, as well as the various folks involved

20    with the laundering of the money through these purported

21    entities.

22                I want to talk about a phone call that was made to

23    this defendant's wife on May 2, 2022, which is one of the

24    primary -- I think this was one of the primary motivations from

25    the Government's perspective in raising the risk of obstruction




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22     Page 24 of 58
                                                                                      24


 1    of justice.     During this call, essentially in substance, this

 2    defendant's wife asked about who she should tell about what

 3    happened to the defendant, presumably referring to his arrest

 4    and the fall-out of his arrest.

 5                This defendant says, quote, "Nevine and Rehab and

 6    Mohamed, those are the people you need to keep close for sure,"

 7    end quote.

 8                Nevine is a reference to -- at least as the

 9    Government understands it, Nevine Kamel.                Her purported

10    business received a PPP loan of $104,000, and it also received

11    kickbacks from at least 15 entities that received PPP loans in

12    the total amount of $266,714.39.

13                Rehab, the Government understands is a reference to

14    Rehab Saad; a number of her purported businesses received

15    kickback payments too.       One purported business received 15

16    payments from loan recipients totaling over $313,000.                     Another

17    purported business received two payments totaling over $23,000.

18                The third person that the Government understands the

19    defendant was referring to, the Mohamed, we understand was a

20    reference to one of Mr. Sary's other associates, Mohamed

21    Elessawy.     One of his purported businesses received 17

22    kickbacks totaling over $173,000.          Another received 18 kickback

23    checks totaling over $276,000.

24                There may be an innocent explanation for "these are

25    the people you need to keep close for sure," Your Honor, but




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB    Document 28     Filed 05/12/22   Page 25 of 58
                                                                                 25


 1    every single person referred to by this defendant is a

 2    potential co-conspirator in this case based on what I've just

 3    said.     The use of their purported businesses to launder these

 4    kickback funds.       So if conditions -- if the Court does not

 5    revoke the order set by Judge Hurson, we are relying on this

 6    defendant's wife to report honestly to Pretrial Services about

 7    contact with these witnesses, these potential co-conspirators.

 8    I don't think -- based on this phone call, I don't think we

 9    have a good basis to rely on her to report honestly to Pretrial

10    Services.

11                  The last point, Your Honor, kind of dovetails with my

12    next point which is Ms. Sary is not a suitable third-party

13    custodian for this --

14                  THE COURT:    Tell me why you don't think so.

15                  MR. RILEY:    To begin with, she hasn't been vetted by

16    Pretrial Services.

17                  THE COURT:    Is Ms. Sary here?

18                  MS. REAMY:    Yes, Your Honor.

19                  THE COURT:    Okay, go ahead.

20                  MR. RILEY:    She was listed as a signatory on one of

21    the bank accounts associated with this fraud scheme, Your

22    Honor.     That is the bank account tied to AMEX Financial Group,

23    one of the defendant's purported businesses.                This is the

24    purported business that had, at least as of May 31, 2021,

25    $147,785.82.      So she's a signatory on the account.             She's




              Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 26 of 58
                                                                                   26


 1    part -- she's in the scheme, from the Government's perspective,

 2    and I don't think that she can be trusted to report violations

 3    to Pretrial Services.

 4                I note, Your Honor, that when law enforcement went to

 5    this defendant and his wife's house, the defendant was not

 6    there, Your Honor.       He was traveling with his son -- there was

 7    a reference to a 9-year-old son in counsel's letter.                That's

 8    not right.     The son was older than 18 years old.            They were

 9    traveling to the hospital for nose surgery, I think it was.

10    When law enforcement asked Ms. Sary, "Where's your husband?"

11    she said, "I don't know."       "I don't know."         Lying to law

12    enforcement.

13                She did eventually acknowledge that she lied to law

14    enforcement, but the point I'm making, Your Honor, is that

15    given -- given the charges, given the scheme, given that she

16    was signatory on one of the accounts that received a large

17    amount of fraud funds, given her misstatement to law

18    enforcement, given the fact that she loves her husband and

19    doesn't want him to be detained, she's not in a position to

20    report honestly violations if this defendant wants to have

21    contact with co-conspirators or witnesses.              They could come to

22    his house and visit.       If she doesn't report it, we're not

23    protected against that, Your Honor.

24                THE COURT:    Let me ask you this.          I understand one of

25    the conditions that Judge Hurson imposed was -- I'm looking at




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 27 of 58
                                                                               27


 1    the release order -- 8(d), "Post with the Court the following

 2    proof of ownership of the designated property" and it refers to

 3    the -- is that Magie Street home?

 4                MR. RILEY:    Yes, Your Honor.

 5                THE COURT:    It's not clear to me if he was requiring

 6    the recording of a lien against the home as a secured property?

 7    Do you know?

 8                MR. RILEY:    That was my -- I agree, Your Honor, it's

 9    not clear from the record.       That was my understanding, that the

10    home, whatever equity the defendant has in the home be put up

11    as security as a nonappearance bond, that he would risk losing

12    his equity if he fled.

13                THE COURT:    Do you have any reason to believe or

14    disbelieve what's reported in the pretrial report which is that

15    the residence is worth about 400,000 and there's $150,000

16    mortgage?

17                MR. RILEY:    Well, I know that's -- I think that's

18    self-reported information, Your Honor, so I do have a healthy

19    skepticism of what the defendant has told Pretrial, given that

20    he only told Pretrial about one of his purported businesses.

21    Standing here right now, I can't speak to how much equity he

22    has unfortunately.

23                THE COURT:    I understand.

24                MR. RILEY:    Your Honor, I'm happy to answer any

25    questions if the Court has them.




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB    Document 28     Filed 05/12/22   Page 28 of 58
                                                                                    28


 1                  THE COURT:    Let me go to Ms. Reamy.          Thank you very

 2    much, Mr. Riley.        I'm trying to get to the right result and

 3    comply with the Bail Reform Act.            Some of the things the

 4    Government is telling me is troubling as to whether or not I

 5    can trust -- Ms. Reamy, if you don't mind standing unless you

 6    need to sit.      It's just easier for me to see you, thank you --

 7    whether or not I can trust his wife as a third-party custodian.

 8    There seems to be a lot of money involved here and resources to

 9    flee.

10                  So if you could just cut to the heart of your

11    argument, address these more difficult questions, I would

12    appreciate that.

13                  MS. REAMY:    Yes.   Starting with Mrs. Sary, I had a

14    discussion with her about what happened when the search warrant

15    was executed, and she indicated to me that she did tell the

16    officers she didn't know.          She didn't know because she knew

17    that Mr. Sary was going to be at the hospital for some part of

18    the time --

19                  THE COURT:    Can you bring the microphone closer to

20    you.

21                  MS. REAMY:    She knew her husband was going to be at

22    GBMC with her son.         That was an error on my part saying the

23    9-year old.      It was the 20-year-old son that was having nasal

24    surgery.      She also knew he had planned to go to the office

25    because the surgery was going to take a number of hours, so




              Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB    Document 28     Filed 05/12/22   Page 29 of 58
                                                                                    29


 1    that was what she meant in that situation.                She was not lying

 2    to the agent.       She did not know where he was at that time.

 3    This was early in the morning, she wasn't sure where he was.

 4    So her position is that she was never trying to mislead or lie

 5    to the officer.       She just really did not know where he was and

 6    took the question quite literally.

 7                  The passport, the Egyptian passport expired in 2005.

 8    Mr. Sary says that he does not have it --

 9                  THE COURT:    Is your client an Egyptian citizen?

10                  MS. REAMY:    I believe he is.        I believe he does have

11    a dual citizenship, but he does not have a recent passport, it

12    expired in 2005.        He's never renewed another one -- he's

13    indicating to me that he would not obtain a new passport.

14                  But over the last 20 years, he's been making more --

15    he's been building deep roots in the United States.                  Again, as

16    the Court said, he's got three children -- that's very

17    distracting, I'm sorry.

18         (Discussion off the record regarding audio issues.)

19                  THE COURT:    Okay, Ms. Reamy.

20                  MS. REAMY:    Thank you, Your Honor.          As I was saying,

21    Mr. Sary has three children under the age of 10 who have always

22    only known the United States as their home.                The two older

23    children, twin boys, 20 years old, they were naturalized as

24    United States citizens in 2017.            They both have their own lives

25    here.     One is enrolled in Salisbury State University, one is




              Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 30 of 58
                                                                                 30


 1    enrolled in college of -- Anne Arundel Community College, the

 2    younger children are in school.          He has significant ties to the

 3    community.

 4                 Now the references to bank accounts that have

 5    relatively large balances in the fall of last year, these are

 6    businesses.     These are not personal bank accounts.            So I don't

 7    think that it's necessarily unusual to find business bank

 8    accounts that have higher balances than what you would expect

 9    to see in a personal bank account.

10                 We've explained the trips to Egypt, and they all

11    surrounded his father's passing and then his mother's passing.

12    She was steadily declining and very sick with diabetes, and

13    then unfortunately she passed.         Those trips all surrounded both

14    of those deaths and dealing with the aftermath of those

15    deaths.

16                 Just a moment.    I'm not sure -- can the Court help

17    focus me?     There's a lot that I can go over.           The Government

18    has been speaking for quite some time here so I'm trying to

19    organize --

20                 THE COURT:   I'm going to tell you this.           I need more

21    information on the home and what the value is and what the

22    mortgage is because, to me, I think that Judge Hurson was

23    correct in requiring a posting of the house as security, and I

24    believe that's what he intended to do.            But I need more

25    certainty that there's skin in the game in that home before I'd




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 31 of 58
                                                                               31


 1    be willing to release Mr. Sary, given some of the information

 2    that Mr. Riley has presented to me that I don't believe was

 3    presented to Judge Hurson, particularly about the bank

 4    accounts -- which I understand your view is it's a business

 5    account -- but from the Government's perspective, there are

 6    several accounts, some with hundreds of thousands of dollars in

 7    them as of last year.

 8                So I'm going to need more information about --

 9    perhaps there needs to be a title search done on the house to

10    know what liens are on it and a bank statement of the

11    mortgage.

12                In addition, I'd like to know more about his

13    relationship or friendship with Linda Derezinski and her

14    husband Dan.     Are they here?

15                MS. REAMY:    Yes, Ms. Derezinski is right here.

16                THE COURT:    Okay.     Your wife is not here, sir --

17                MS. REAMY:    She's here.

18                THE COURT:    Oh, she is --

19                MS. DEREZINSKI:       I'm Linda; my husband is not here.

20                THE COURT:    I'm sorry.      Your husband is not here?

21                MS. DEREZINSKI:       Correct.

22                THE COURT:    I'm sorry.      Just with the mask and you

23    have short hair, I apologize, and far away from me.

24                How long have you known Mr. Sary?

25                MS. DEREZINSKI:       2006.




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB    Document 28     Filed 05/12/22   Page 32 of 58
                                                                                   32


 1                  THE COURT:    Can you come forward and speak in the

 2    microphone?      Thank you.     Thank you for being here.          I know you

 3    were here this morning and here this afternoon.

 4                  MS. DEREZINSKI:     Yes, Your Honor.

 5                  THE COURT:    Can you tell me when you met Mr. Sary and

 6    how you know him.

 7                  MS. DEREZINSKI:     I met him through his wife, Iza.

 8    Our son was born in 2005 in February and she was -- I've been

 9    working home, and she was watching my son while I was -- during

10    working hours.       Then I met Ahmed through her.

11                  THE COURT:    Were they married at the time?

12                  MS. DEREZINSKI:     They got married while I knew

13    them.

14                  THE COURT:    You've known them as a married couple

15    since then?

16                  MS. DEREZINSKI:     Yes, ma'am.       They usually are with

17    us for Thanksgiving, Easter, different holidays.                 My mother

18    calls her "sister" and "son."

19                  THE COURT:    I'm sorry?

20                  MS. DEREZINSKI:     I said my mother calls her another

21    daughter.      My mother is their children's American

22    grandmother.

23                  THE COURT:    Understood.

24                  MS. DEREZINSKI:     We know them very well.

25                  THE COURT:    You know them very well.




              Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22     Page 33 of 58
                                                                                      33


 1                MS. DEREZINSKI:     Yes, ma'am.

 2                THE COURT:    Would you say you interact with them on a

 3    weekly or monthly basis?

 4                MS. DEREZINSKI:     I mean sometimes because of kids,

 5    lately maybe I won't talk to them for a month or two.                     But then

 6    we might talk every day, you know, it's just -- our son is 17

 7    and, you know.     With each kid, it gets complicated.

 8                THE COURT:    Would you be willing to house him in your

 9    home pending trial if I --

10                MS. DEREZINSKI:     If that needs to be.            I prefer him

11    to be home, but yes, ma'am.       Because of their youngest having

12    diabetes, you know, Ahmed has the touch with the girls.

13                THE COURT:    I understand.       Thank you very much.

14    Thank you for being here.

15                MS. DEREZINSKI:     Yes, ma'am.

16                MS. REAMY:    Your Honor, I do want to address the

17    Government's allegations, and we did this with Judge Hurson as

18    well, regarding this recorded jail call.                The Government has

19    its interpretation, but I can tell you -- it does track

20    conversations that I had myself with Izabela Sary which is that

21    they are very embarrassed about this.            What she's essentially

22    asking is that she doesn't want to just share all of their

23    business; this is a very embarrassing situation for them with

24    anyone in the community.

25                So I believe that's really the nature of the




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB    Document 28   Filed 05/12/22     Page 34 of 58
                                                                                         34


 1    conversation, that there are certain people that they would

 2    trust because they're going to have to rely on some individuals

 3    for some help while this is -- while he's detained.                  She's

 4    managing all these children by herself.            It was not anything

 5    more than that kind of discussion which was --

 6                THE COURT:     I think the Government has conceded some

 7    limitations in its interpretation of that call.                 I think that

 8    your interpretation is fair, perhaps their interpretation could

 9    be fair.    At this point I really don't place much sort of

10    credit on that call without more in order to show that there's

11    a serious risk of obstruction of justice.                I don't know exactly

12    what that call said or what was meant by it.                What, frankly, at

13    this point I'm most concerned about is whether or not there are

14    conditions that will reasonably assure me that Mr. Sary will

15    appear in court.        Here's -- go ahead.

16                MS. REAMY:     I would also tell the Court that we

17    surrendered five passports this morning to the Court.                     I just

18    received a receipt.        All of the minor children's passports were

19    initially offered, and then the two 20-year-old boys also

20    offered their passports which were all surrendered in Judge

21    Hurson's courtroom earlier this morning.                As I indicated to

22    Judge Hurson, Mr. Sary is certainly never going to leave his

23    family.

24                This was a gesture to impress upon the Court how

25    serious he is about his understanding of what his obligations




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 35 of 58
                                                                                  35


 1    would be and hopefully a showing that he has no intention of

 2    fleeing this case.       His children are very important to him, and

 3    it's obviously taking a huge emotional toll on him.

 4    Particularly the youngest one with the diabetes.               I did want

 5    the Court to know that gesture has been made.

 6                THE COURT:    The five passports are Mr. Sary's, his

 7    wife's and his three minor children?

 8                MS. REAMY:    No, Mr. Sary's passport was seized by law

 9    enforcement.     Mrs. Sary's passport is expired, she doesn't know

10    where it is.     She looked for it in advance of today's hearing.

11    She thinks maybe the officers took it but doesn't know where it

12    is.   It has expired and she's agreed she would not get another

13    passport.    The five passports turned over to the Court this

14    morning were the two 20-year-old twin boys and the minor

15    children.

16                THE COURT:    The children's passports.

17                MS. REAMY:    All the children's passports --

18                THE COURT:    Understood.

19                MS. REAMY:    -- were turned over.          A lot of this is

20    laid out in the letters, but I do think the Court -- is there

21    anything else the Court would want me to address specifically?

22                THE COURT:    No, I don't believe so.          Just give me one

23    moment, please.

24                Mr. Riley, is there anything else you want to add in

25    response to my discussion with Ms. Reamy?




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 36 of 58
                                                                                  36


 1                MR. RILEY:    Very briefly, Your Honor, with respect to

 2    Ms. Derezinski.     The Government is concerned that if

 3    Ms. Derezinski is working from 7:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m., even if

 4    Your Honor were to put Mr. Sary in the custody of

 5    Ms. Derezinski, because she's working, she's not going to be in

 6    a position to monitor this defendant closely --

 7                THE COURT:    Mr. Riley, it's impossible to find an

 8    absolute -- a person who's going to stand by someone 24/7.

 9    That's just unrealistic.

10                MR. RILEY:    I understand, Your Honor.

11                MS. REAMY:    Judge, she works from home so she's in

12    the home.

13                THE COURT:    Thank you for that.

14                All right.    This case is before me on the

15    Government's motion for review of a release order that

16    Magistrate Judge Hurson issued today, May 9.              Under 18 United

17    States Code § 3145(b), this Court reviews the magistrate

18    judge's pretrial detention decision de novo.              That's a cite

19    against United States against Clark, 865 F.2d 1433 at 1436,

20    Fourth Circuit, from 1989.       I make an independent determination

21    of the proper pretrial detention or conditions of release.

22    That's from United States against Stewart, a 2001 Fourth

23    Circuit case, 19 Federal App'x 46 at 48.

24                Under the Bail Reform Act, the Government bears the

25    burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence that no




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 37 of 58
                                                                                    37


 1    condition or combination of conditions will reasonably assure

 2    Mr. Sary's appearance.       I won't go into safety of the community

 3    because the Government has not sought detention based on safety

 4    of the community, although economic harm is a factor that I

 5    must consider as I analyze the Bail Reform Act factors and any

 6    potential conditions of release.

 7                The Bail Reform Act requires that I consider the

 8    following factors:

 9                The nature and circumstances of the offense charged.

10    Here the charged offense is by criminal complaint.               It's wire

11    fraud and money laundering, so I have to consider whether the

12    offense involves a crime of violence.            Of course, it does not.

13    A federal crime of terrorism, it does not.              A minor victim, it

14    does not.    A controlled substance, firearm explosive or

15    destructive device, it does none of those things.

16                I have to consider the weight of the evidence against

17    Mr. Sary, and the weight of the evidence appears to be strong.

18    Mr. Riley has proffered the evidence; I have reviewed a summary

19    of the nonexhaustive evidence that is in the criminal

20    complaint.    There was a search warrant conducted at an

21    apartment adjacent to his property which apparently yielded

22    corroborating evidence of the alleged fraud scheme.                So the

23    weight of the evidence is in favor of the Government.                   I think

24    it's no surprise that that's almost always the case in federal

25    court.




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28     Filed 05/12/22   Page 38 of 58
                                                                                  38


 1                I have to consider the history and characteristics of

 2    Mr. Sary.    That includes his character, physical and mental

 3    condition, family ties, employment, financial resources, length

 4    of residence in the community, community ties, past conduct,

 5    history relating to drug or alcohol abuse, criminal history,

 6    and his record concerning court appearances.               Let me address

 7    those factors in reverse order.

 8                Mr. Sary, according to the Pretrial Services report,

 9    is 43 years old and has no criminal history, no prior arrests,

10    no interactions with law enforcement that are reported by

11    Pretrial Services or the Government.            Therefore, there is no

12    history of appearing at court appearances or problems of

13    failing to appear.       There appears to be no drug or alcohol

14    problem.

15                With respect to length of residence in the community,

16    community ties, this factor, I think, weighs in favor of

17    Mr. Sary.    In that regard, he has been a United States citizen

18    for some time.     He came to this country, according to Pretrial

19    Services, in his early 20s -- perhaps at 21 years old -- from

20    Egypt; he's a naturalized citizen.            He has been married to -- I

21    believe Ms. Sary is an American citizen -- to an American

22    citizen since the mid 2000s.           They have three young children.

23    They have owned a home since 2015 here in Baltimore where they

24    live as a family.       There is a family friend here who has known

25    them for, looks like, at least 15 years and has interacted with




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR    Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 39 of 58
                                                                                   39


 1    them on a regular basis and observed their family and

 2    corroborated those family and community ties.

 3                On the other side, as Mr. Riley points out, Mr. Sary

 4    has traveled to Egypt several times in the past couple years.

 5    That, frankly, does not trouble me too much because it makes

 6    sense he would travel to Egypt several times in the past few

 7    years with parents falling ill and ultimately dying.                People

 8    don't just go for funerals.       They go when people are sick and

 9    ill, and he does have siblings there.

10                Having said that, I can't ignore the fact that there

11    is another country that he would feel comfortable in if he were

12    fearful of a long prison sentence.           It is a factor I have to

13    consider.     I think, however, that I can address that particular

14    fact with conditions because really what the concern here is

15    are there conditions that will reasonably assure me that he

16    will appear in court.       I don't have the crystal ball into the

17    future.     I cannot guarantee -- and the Bail Reform Act does not

18    require me to guarantee -- appearance, although I take very

19    seriously that I have to reasonably assure that he will --

20    myself that he will appear in court.           So the ties to Egypt,

21    while not troubling, are certainly a relevant factor as I

22    consider conditions of release.

23                I also have to consider financial resources.

24    Mr. Riley has brought to my attention several bank accounts

25    that are associated with Mr. Sary that as of at least six or




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28     Filed 05/12/22   Page 40 of 58
                                                                                    40


 1    seven months ago had significant balances in them.                I am

 2    confident Ms. Reamy and Mr. Sary have an explanation for that,

 3    but the fact is there are several hundred thousand dollars, or

 4    there were at least six or seven months ago, in bank accounts

 5    that Mr. Sary had access to.           I don't know what the status of

 6    those bank accounts is.       I don't know how much is in them now.

 7    I don't know if Mr. Sary would use that money in some way to

 8    try to flee, but, again, it's a factor I have to consider.                I

 9    do think that I can address that factor with conditions of

10    release.

11                I have to consider his employment.             He has reported

12    working for and being self-employed with Sary Stars, a music

13    and entertainment business.       I understand Mr. Riley's point

14    which is he did not report the other purported businesses that

15    he was associated with in connection with his application for

16    government loans, but it does appear that there has been

17    consistent employment.       He supports his family, he owns a home.

18    I see no reason -- evidence that he's not had consistent

19    employment history.

20                I have to consider physical and mental condition.

21    There's no evidence of mental illness and his physical health

22    seems fair, although I do note some potential heart issues.

23                I also have to consider whether at the time of the

24    offense Mr. Sary was on probation, parole or any other order of

25    release pending trial.       He was not, he has no criminal history.




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR    Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 41 of 58
                                                                                  41


 1    And I have to consider the nature and seriousness of the danger

 2    to any person or the community that would be posed by his

 3    release.

 4                First, let's address the obvious.            The Government

 5    appropriately, of course, has not alleged that Mr. Sary poses

 6    any physical danger, that he's a violent person.               There's no

 7    evidence of that, that's not an issue here.              I do believe, and

 8    I think Mr. Riley was correct, that I have to consider and I

 9    should consider the potential economic harm to the community or

10    any other person, and in this regard, I have considered

11    seriously the allegations against Mr. Sary.              Mr. Riley, I

12    think, summarized them well.

13                The allegations are that Mr. Sary was the head of a

14    multibusiness, multibank account, multiperson alleged scheme to

15    defraud the federal government in applying for relief

16    associated with the CARES Act.         Mr. Sary apparently submitted

17    applications on his behalf and on behalf of other businesses,

18    some of which were not actual businesses, and in doing so, he

19    allegedly defrauded the Government out of over $10 million, and

20    he and others he's associated with allegedly received about

21    $2.5 million in what Mr. Riley has characterized as kickbacks.

22    This is a serious scheme if it's proven to be true.

23                The question for me, though, on whether or not

24    release conditions can be set is whether or not I think that

25    Mr. Sary will continue to pose an economic harm to either the




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 42 of 58
                                                                               42


 1    government, and at this point -- I understand there are no more

 2    particular loans available -- we can also -- I will certainly

 3    restrict his access to any bank accounts.

 4                What I did not hear from Mr. Riley, and I appreciate

 5    his candor, is there were not, for instance, manufactured

 6    driver's licenses or manufactured passports that to me would

 7    suggest a willingness, ability or propensity to flee.

 8                So for all of those reasons, I do find that there are

 9    conditions of release that will reasonably assure me of

10    Mr. Sary's appearance in court and certainly the safety of the

11    community, but I'm not going to set a release order just yet.

12    I need to know more about the home.           I want to know that the

13    home will be security that will reasonably assure me that

14    Mr. Sary will not flee.       So at this point, I think we need to

15    continue the hearing to allow Ms. Reamy and her family --

16    Ms. Reamy and Mr. Sary's family to find the documentation that

17    I need.

18                Ms. Reamy, is that something you and your client's

19    family can get together, and if it can be done sooner than when

20    you return, I'm happy to consider the submission and not have a

21    hearing?    Do you need a moment to talk?

22                MS. REAMY:    Yes, Your Honor, I do need a moment if I

23    could.

24         (Defendant conferred with his counsel.)

25                MS. REAMY:    May I step back a moment to speak with




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22    Page 43 of 58
                                                                                     43


 1    his wife?

 2                THE COURT:    Please, yes.

 3         (Pause.)

 4                MS. REAMY:    Your Honor, the answer is I don't know.

 5    We would certainly -- I will do everything I can to try to get

 6    this together and get the documents by tomorrow morning.                   I

 7    don't know that that's going to be possible.

 8                THE COURT:    Meaning by tomorrow morning or not

 9    possible to find documents?

10                MS. REAMY:    By tomorrow morning.

11                THE COURT:    I'd be surprised if you could do it by

12    tomorrow morning because actually I think you'd need to go to

13    the land records.

14                MS. REAMY:    Probably.

15                THE COURT:    Are you saying tomorrow morning because

16    you go on vacation?

17                MS. REAMY:    I'm leaving tomorrow afternoon, so yes,

18    if we could miraculously pull all the documents together that

19    the Court needed, but I think it's unlikely.

20                THE COURT:    Okay, I'll wait to receive the documents.

21    If you can get them to me by midday, I'll review them.                   If I'm

22    comfortable with them, I can issue a release order while you're

23    away and work with Pretrial to have him released.

24                Here's ultimately where I'm at.             To make me

25    reasonably assured, I need to know that the property has some




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 44 of 58
                                                                                    44


 1    equity in it, and that's what I'm comfortable with.

 2                MS. REAMY:     I understand.

 3                THE COURT:     Okay?   So there is an order of detention

 4    right now, the stay in the execution of the release order

 5    remains.

 6                Let me ask the marshals, do I need to do anything

 7    right now?

 8                MARSHAL:     I'd just ask Your Honor if you'd like us to

 9    have him brought over tomorrow?

10                THE COURT:     Why don't we do this.         I will enter a

11    detention order; it will just be in effect.              I think right now

12    the operative order is a release order.            Mr. Riley, is that

13    your understanding?

14                MR. RILEY:     Correct, Your Honor.         The Government did

15    move to stay that, but correct, Your Honor.

16                THE COURT:     All right.     I will enter something on the

17    docket that indicates there is a stay in the release order so

18    he remains detained.       I will not order him returned to the

19    courthouse until I know that I am comfortable issuing a release

20    order which will require me to review the documents.                I'll be

21    in touch through chambers with Pretrial Services and the

22    marshals about when we want him brought over.              Is that fair,

23    Marshal?

24                MARSHAL:     Yes, ma'am.

25                THE COURT:     Mr. Riley, anything else from your




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
     Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB   Document 28    Filed 05/12/22   Page 45 of 58
                                                                               45


 1    perspective?     Then, Ms. Reamy, I'll turn to you.

 2                MR. RILEY:     No, thank you, Your Honor.

 3                THE COURT:     Thank you very much for your

 4    presentation.     Ms. Reamy?

 5                MS. REAMY:     No, Your Honor.       Thank you.

 6                THE COURT:     Thank you all.

 7                THE CLERK:     All rise.     This Honorable Court is now

 8    adjourned.

 9         (Proceedings concluded at 5:41 p.m.)

10
                I, Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR, do hereby certify
11    that the foregoing is a correct transcript from the
      stenographic record of proceedings in the above-entitled
12    matter.

13                 Dated this 12th day of May 2022.

14

15

16                            __________________________
                                 Patricia G. Mitchell
17                             Official Court Reporter

18

19

20

21

22

23

24

25




            Patricia G. Mitchell, RMR, CRR   Federal Official Court Reporter
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB          Document 28         Filed 05/12/22      Page 46 of 58
                                                                                                   46

   < Dates >                       .                                  3 13:4, 14:14.
   April 29 4:23, 4:25.            .                                  30 6:25, 15:1.
   April 9, 2022 17:13.            < 1 >.                             3142(g 6:12.
   December 30, 2021 20:7.         1 1:10, 9:24, 11:8, 12:23, 13:3,   3145(b 36:17.
   June 2021 18:20.                    13:4, 13:9, 14:1, 14:20,       32 11:3.
   May 2 23:23.                        14:24, 15:12.                  3:00 36:3.
   May 2022 45:16.                 10 7:9, 14:12, 29:21.              3A 1:24.
   May 31 18:24, 19:1, 25:24.      100 22:14.                         .
   May 8 3:21.                     101 1:48.                          .
   May 9 36:16.                    12th 45:16.                        < 4 >.
   May 9, 2022 1:17.               1433 36:19.                        4 20:13.
   October 10 18:22.               1436 36:19.                        40 7:8, 7:15.
   October 19, '21 19:3.           15 3:21, 10:25, 24:11, 24:15,      400,000 27:15.
   October 4, 2021 19:4.               38:25.                         43 38:9.
   $10 7:10, 7:15, 41:19.          150 22:14.                         46 36:23.
   $10,000 19:3.                   1600 7:20, 7:23, 8:8, 11:13,       48 36:23.
   $104,000 24:10.                     14:3.                          4:00 1:18.
   $147,785 19:1.                  17 3:22, 24:21, 33:6.              4th 1:48.
   $147,785.82 25:25.              173 12:2.                          .
   $15,000 13:16.                  18 24:22, 26:8, 36:16.             .
   $150,000 27:15.                 19 14:15, 36:23.                   < 5 >.
   $173,000 24:22.                 1989 36:20.                        54 7:18.
   $195,650 13:11.                 .                                  5:00 15:20.
   $2.5 7:10, 41:21.               .                                  5:41 45:9.
   $218,857 16:22.                 < 2 >.                             .
   $23,000 24:17.                  2 14:10, 14:22, 15:8, 15:9.        .
   $250 9:25.                      20 29:14, 29:23.                   < 7 >.
   $250,000 14:25.                 20-year-old 28:23, 34:19,          7:00 36:3.
   $266,714.39 24:12.                 35:14.                          .
   $276,000 24:23.                 2000s 38:22.                       .
   $301,000 10:25.                 2001 36:22.                        < 8 >.
   $31,000 18:21.                  2005 21:11, 29:7, 29:12,           8(d 27:1.
   $313,000 24:16.                    32:8.                           865 36:19.
   $340,150.67 18:24.              2006 31:25.                        .
   $4,000 13:17.                   2015 38:23.                        .
   $41,500 18:22.                  2017 29:24.                        < 9 >.
   $421,000 14:11.                 2021 18:24, 19:1, 25:24.           9-year 28:23.
   $5,000 13:17.                   2022 23:23.                        9-year-old 26:7.
   $70,000 14:16.                  20s 38:19.                         90 7:24.
   $75,000 14:25.                  21 38:19.                          90-plus 8:16.
   $758,341.15 11:3.               21201 1:49.                        940 15:6, 15:8.
   $9,500 19:4.                    22 13:12.                          .
   $950,000 14:15.                 22-mj-01286-jmc 1:10.              .
   '21 18:22.                      22-mj-1286-jmc 2:7.                < A >.
   (4 2:2.                         24/7 36:8.                         A. 1:29.
   (421 2:2.                       25 9:25, 21:7.                     a.m. 36:3.
   .                               29th 8:13, 10:9, 13:8.             Abigail 1:30, 2:8.
   .                               .                                  ability 10:14, 23:3, 42:7.
   < 0 >.                          .                                  able 22:24.
   000-plus 9:25, 12:2.            < 3 >.                             above-entitled 45:13.
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB             Document 28          Filed 05/12/22       Page 47 of 58
                                                                                                           47

   absolute 36:8.                       Ahmed 1:10, 2:6, 2:14, 32:10,          13:19.
   Absolutely 4:20.                         33:12.                         application 8:4, 15:4, 15:5,
   abuse 38:5.                          alcohol 38:5, 38:13.                   40:15.
   access 9:11, 10:6, 10:7, 10:12,      allegations 22:20, 23:7, 33:17,    applications 7:5, 7:19, 16:15,
       17:22, 19:19, 40:5, 42:3.            41:11, 41:13.                      20:7, 23:19, 41:17.
   according 11:22, 19:25, 38:8,        alleged 9:17, 16:5, 18:1, 22:25,   applying 41:15.
       38:18.                               37:22, 41:5, 41:14.            appreciate 17:15, 17:17, 28:12,
   account 17:23, 18:4, 18:6, 18:10,    allegedly 41:19, 41:20.                42:4.
       18:11, 18:20, 18:21, 18:23,      alleging 12:8.                     appropriately 41:5.
       18:25, 19:11, 19:13, 19:16,      allow 10:13, 42:15.                approximately 10:25, 14:25,
       22:16, 25:22, 25:25, 30:9,       almost 37:24.                          15:1.
       31:5, 41:14.                     although 37:4, 39:18,              April 8:13.
   accounts 11:24, 18:15, 18:17,            40:22.                         Arabic 3:3, 3:7.
       19:1, 19:2, 19:16, 19:17,        America 1:5, 2:6.                  arguably 9:20.
       19:20, 19:22, 19:24, 20:2,       American 21:16, 21:19, 32:21,      argument 28:11.
       22:3, 22:10, 25:21, 26:16,           38:21.                         arms 8:14.
       30:4, 30:6, 30:8, 31:4, 31:6,    AMEX 11:1, 12:14, 13:13,           around 8:14.
       39:24, 40:4, 40:6, 42:3.             18:24, 25:22.                  arrest 17:24, 24:3, 24:4.
   acknowledge 9:1, 9:4,                among 20:14.                       arrests 38:9.
       26:13.                           amount 7:1, 9:12, 10:6, 11:18,     Arundel 30:1.
   across 6:19, 7:2.                        14:12, 14:16, 19:10, 22:13,    assist 13:19.
   Act 6:18, 28:3, 36:24, 37:5, 37:7,       24:12, 26:17.                  Assistant 1:31, 2:7.
       39:17, 41:16.                    amounting 6:25, 7:9, 13:12,        associated 7:11, 7:12, 7:19,
   activity 22:25.                          14:12, 14:15.                      11:14, 19:2, 25:21, 39:25,
   acts 23:6.                           amounts 8:2, 8:20, 15:11,              40:15, 41:16, 41:20.
   actual 4:18, 41:18.                      22:11.                         associates 10:21, 11:16,
   actually 13:1, 43:12.                analysis 21:17.                        24:20.
   Adam 14:3, 14:4, 15:3,               analyze 37:5.                      assurance 23:9.
       15:10.                           Anne 30:1.                         assure 3:17, 22:22, 34:14, 37:1,
   Adam. 14:2.                          answer 27:24, 43:4.                    39:15, 39:19, 42:9,
   add 22:12, 35:24.                    Apart 17:3, 17:5.                      42:13.
   addition 17:25, 19:6, 31:12.         Apartment 7:22, 7:23, 8:9, 10:2,   assured 43:25.
   address 7:19, 8:8, 14:3, 15:3,           11:13, 37:21.                  attempt 6:7, 23:16.
       16:6, 28:11, 33:16, 35:21,       apologize 4:21, 12:9, 13:10,       attention 39:24.
       38:6, 39:13, 40:9, 41:4.             31:23.                         Attorneys 1:31, 2:7.
   adjacent 7:23, 8:9, 37:21.           App'x 36:23.                       audio 29:18.
   adjourned 45:8.                      apparently 37:21, 41:16.           authorized 11:17, 11:23, 12:5,
   admitted 23:2.                       appeal 2:9, 3:12.                      13:16.
   advance 35:10.                       appealed 3:13.                     available 42:2.
   affidavit 3:23.                      appear 34:15, 38:13, 39:16,        aware 17:4, 20:20, 22:15.
   aftermath 30:14.                         39:20, 40:16.                  away 31:23, 43:23.
   afternoon 2:3, 2:5, 2:11, 2:13,      appearance 3:18, 37:2, 39:18,      .
       2:16, 2:17, 32:3, 43:17.             42:10.                         .
   age 29:21.                           appearances 38:6, 38:12.           < B >.
   agent 29:2.                          appearing 38:12.                   back 7:19, 19:8, 42:25.
   ago 4:10, 7:18, 18:14, 21:7, 21:8,   appears 8:15, 37:17, 38:13.        backed 7:6.
       40:1, 40:4.                      Applicant 9:24, 11:8, 14:1,        Bail 28:3, 36:24, 37:5, 37:7,
   agree 27:8.                              14:20, 14:22, 14:24, 15:8,        39:17.
   agreed 35:12.                            15:9, 15:12.                   balance 18:21, 18:22, 18:24,
   ahead 18:8, 25:19, 34:15.            applicants 9:20, 9:23,                19:1.
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB             Document 28           Filed 05/12/22         Page 48 of 58
                                                                                                            48

   balances 30:5, 30:8, 40:1.              16:9, 16:10, 16:11, 16:12,         circumstances 6:13, 37:9.
   ball 39:16.                             16:13, 24:14, 24:21, 25:3,         cite 36:18.
   Baltimore 1:16, 1:49,                   25:23, 27:20, 30:6, 40:14,         citizen 20:12, 22:7, 29:9, 38:17,
       38:23.                              41:17, 41:18.                          38:20, 38:21, 38:22.
   bank 7:7, 8:3, 8:5, 8:22, 17:24,     .                                     citizens 29:24.
       17:25, 18:1, 18:11, 18:15,       .                                     citizenship 20:15, 20:18,
       18:17, 19:11, 22:16, 25:21,      < C >.                                    29:11.
       25:22, 30:4, 30:6, 30:7, 30:9,   calendar 4:25.                        Clark 36:19.
       31:3, 31:10, 39:24, 40:4,        California 7:2.                       clear 27:5, 27:9.
       40:6, 42:3.                      call 2:4, 23:22, 24:1, 25:8, 33:18,   clearly 16:2.
   banking 9:13.                            34:7, 34:10, 34:12.               CLERK 2:25, 45:7.
   banks 19:2.                          called 16:19.                         client 29:9, 42:18.
   Based 7:17, 8:12, 8:15, 9:10,        Calling 2:5.                          close 24:6, 24:25.
       25:2, 25:8, 37:3.                calls 32:18, 32:20.                   closely 36:6.
   basis 6:4, 22:5, 25:9, 33:3,         candor 42:5.                          closer 28:19.
       39:1.                            card 17:24, 20:15, 20:18, 20:24,      co-conspirator 25:2.
   bear 13:10.                              22:9.                             co-conspirators 7:4, 7:13, 23:17,
   bears 36:24.                         cards 17:25.                              25:7, 26:21.
   begin 25:15.                         CARES 6:18, 41:16.                    Code 36:17.
   behalf 2:8, 6:23, 41:17.             Case 2:4, 2:6, 3:21, 4:5, 8:18,       College 30:1.
   belabor 6:10.                            11:5, 23:17, 25:2, 35:2,          combination 37:1.
   believe 12:22, 27:13, 29:10,             36:14, 36:23, 37:24.              comfortable 2:19, 39:11, 43:22,
       30:24, 31:2, 33:25, 35:22,       Certain 11:9, 19:16, 34:1.                44:1, 44:19.
       38:21, 41:7.                     Certainly 21:21, 22:25, 34:22,        Community 3:18, 6:5, 22:22,
   bespeak 10:14.                           39:21, 42:2, 42:10, 43:5.             30:1, 30:3, 33:24, 37:2, 37:4,
   best 6:1.                            certainty 30:25.                          38:4, 38:15, 38:16, 39:2,
   blank 11:14, 11:16, 11:17, 11:18,    certification 3:6.                        41:2, 41:9, 42:11.
       11:21, 12:6, 12:24, 12:25,       certified 3:3.                        companies 7:4.
       13:1, 13:15, 13:16, 14:6,        certify 45:11.                        company 10:24.
       14:18, 15:11.                    chambers 44:21.                       complaint 3:23, 3:24, 6:8, 7:8,
   bond 27:11.                          change 9:22.                              9:24, 14:2, 14:22, 16:2,
   boosted 5:21.                        character 38:2.                           19:15, 37:10, 37:20.
   born 32:8.                           characteristics 17:7, 38:1.           complicated 33:7.
   boys 29:23, 34:19, 35:14.            characterized 41:21.                  comply 28:3.
   break 11:11.                         charged 6:14, 8:18, 37:9,             computer 1:42.
   brief 4:17.                              37:10.                            conceded 34:6.
   briefly 6:11, 36:1.                  charges 26:15.                        concern 39:14.
   bring 28:19.                         check 4:25.                           concerned 17:22, 22:4, 34:13,
   brought 39:24, 44:9, 44:22.          checks 8:4, 11:9, 11:10, 11:14,           36:2.
   building 29:15.                          11:16, 11:21, 12:5, 12:19,        concerning 38:6.
   burden 23:10, 36:25.                     12:24, 12:25, 13:1, 13:4,         concerns 16:2.
   business 6:19, 7:20, 7:24, 8:1,          13:7, 13:15, 13:16, 13:20,        concluded 45:9.
       8:8, 8:10, 12:4, 12:21, 13:9,        13:23, 13:25, 14:5, 14:18,        condition 37:1, 38:3, 40:20.
       13:10, 13:11, 13:14, 14:11,          15:10, 24:23.                     Conditions 2:9, 3:17, 22:21,
       14:24, 15:9, 16:19, 16:21,       children 21:19, 23:5, 29:16,              25:4, 26:25, 34:14, 36:21,
       18:23, 18:25, 24:10, 24:15,          29:21, 29:23, 30:2, 32:21,            37:1, 37:6, 39:14, 39:15,
       24:17, 25:24, 30:7, 31:4,            34:4, 34:18, 35:2, 35:7,              39:22, 40:9, 41:24, 42:9.
       33:23, 40:13.                        35:15, 35:16, 35:17,              conduct 38:4.
   businesses 6:23, 7:1, 8:1, 10:21,        38:22.                            conducted 8:13, 10:9, 11:13,
       11:2, 12:13, 13:5, 14:13,        Circuit 36:20, 36:23.                     37:20.
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB              Document 28         Filed 05/12/22         Page 49 of 58
                                                                                                          49

   conferred 42:24.                     CRIMINAL 1:9, 3:23, 3:24,          DETENTION 1:22, 3:12, 3:15,
   confident 40:2.                         23:6, 37:10, 37:19, 38:5,           4:4, 5:2, 6:3, 6:4, 6:9, 6:12,
   confirms 15:7.                          38:9, 40:25.                        10:19, 36:18, 36:21, 37:3,
   connection 2:9, 6:14, 6:18, 7:16,    CRR 1:46, 45:11.                       44:3, 44:11.
      15:8, 15:14, 16:14, 16:21,        crystal 39:16.                     determination 3:16, 36:20.
      40:15.                            current 18:14, 19:8, 19:20,        device 37:15.
   consider 37:5, 37:7, 37:11,             19:24, 21:3.                    diabetes 30:12, 33:12, 35:4.
      37:16, 38:1, 39:13, 39:22,        Currently 18:17, 19:21.            different 11:1, 11:3, 11:11, 13:2,
      39:23, 40:8, 40:11, 40:20,        custodian 25:13, 28:7.                 16:22, 19:2, 32:17.
      40:23, 41:1, 41:8, 41:9,          custodians 5:7.                    difficult 28:11.
      42:20.                            custody 36:4.                      diminishing 16:5.
   considered 41:10.                    cut 15:20, 28:10.                  direct 13:2.
   consistent 14:18, 15:12, 15:13,      .                                  directed 18:6.
      40:17, 40:18.                     .                                  Disaster 6:17.
   conspiracy 12:20, 17:14.             < D >.                             disbelieve 27:14.
   contact 25:7, 26:21.                 Dan 31:14.                         Discussion 28:14, 29:18, 34:5,
   contained 8:2, 8:5.                  danger 6:5, 41:1, 41:6.                35:25.
   continuance 5:4.                     date 13:21, 18:20, 18:22, 18:24,   dispositive 21:17.
   continue 41:25, 42:15.                  18:25, 19:3, 19:4.              distracting 29:17.
   control 11:19, 12:10, 13:24.         Dated 45:16.                       DISTRICT 1:1, 1:2.
   controlled 10:20, 37:14.             daughter 32:21.                    DIVISION 1:3.
   conversation 34:1.                   day 33:6, 45:16.                   docket 44:17.
   conversations 33:20.                 de 3:15, 36:18.                    docketed 4:5.
   copies 8:2, 8:4, 9:13.               dealing 30:14.                     doctored 8:5.
   Copperthite 5:3.                     deaths 17:16, 30:14, 30:15.        Document 3:21, 3:22, 5:11,
   copy 4:4, 4:7, 4:11, 4:14,           DEBORAH L. BOARDMAN                    23:4.
      7:25.                                1:23.                           documentation 42:16.
   Correct 3:4, 3:7, 4:24, 5:1, 20:3,   deception 22:25.                   documents 6:11, 7:6, 8:3, 8:24,
      21:12, 30:23, 31:21, 41:8,        decide 22:21.                          9:3, 9:8, 10:12, 10:13, 15:4,
      44:14, 44:15, 45:12.              decision 36:18.                        23:1, 43:6, 43:9, 43:18,
   corroborate 14:19, 14:20.            declining 30:12.                       43:20, 44:20.
   corroborated 39:2.                   deep 29:15.                        doing 41:18.
   corroborating 37:22.                 definitely 15:23.                  dollar 22:11.
   counsel 5:4, 17:15, 21:1, 21:11,     defraud 9:20, 41:15.               dollars 22:10, 22:14, 31:6,
      26:7.                             defrauded 41:19.                       40:3.
   counsel. 5:11, 42:24.                demonstrated 23:3.                 dollars' 6:22.
   country 6:20, 7:2, 38:18,            Department 20:16, 20:17.           done 31:9, 42:19.
      39:11.                            deposited 13:25.                   doubt 22:20, 23:8.
   couple 5:13, 6:11, 32:14,            Derezinski 5:8, 31:13, 31:15,      dovetails 25:11.
      39:4.                                31:19, 31:21, 31:25, 32:4,      down 5:22.
   coupled 19:10, 22:17.                   32:7, 32:12, 32:16, 32:20,      driver 8:2, 9:8, 9:13, 42:6.
   course 2:19, 3:14, 5:14, 15:7,          32:24, 33:1, 33:4, 33:10,       drug 38:5, 38:13.
      37:12, 41:5.                         33:15, 36:2, 36:3, 36:5.        dual 20:17, 29:11.
   courthouse 44:19.                    described 16:5.                    duly 2:24.
   Courtroom 1:24, 34:21.               designated 27:2.                   During 9:11, 10:8, 11:13, 12:3,
   create 8:25, 23:3.                   desire 17:17.                          13:7, 17:14, 17:17, 17:18,
   creating 9:3.                        destructive 37:15.                     17:23, 24:1, 32:9.
   creation 23:1.                       detained 4:23, 26:19, 34:3,        dying 39:7.
   credit 34:10.                           44:18.                          .
   crime 37:12, 37:13.                  detaining 23:5.                    .
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB             Document 28          Filed 05/12/22        Page 50 of 58
                                                                                                           50

   < E >.                               equity 27:10, 27:12, 27:21,         fake 7:6, 7:7, 8:22, 8:24, 9:3,
   E. 1:30.                                 44:1.                                9:4, 9:7.
   earlier 3:13, 6:3, 18:18,            error 28:22.                        fall 22:10, 30:5.
       34:21.                           Esquire 1:29, 1:30, 1:36.           fall-out 24:4.
   early 29:3, 38:19.                   essentially 24:1, 33:21.            falling 39:7.
   easier 28:6.                         eventually 26:13.                   family 17:8, 17:16, 17:18, 21:22,
   Easter 32:17.                        everyone 2:3.                            22:2, 34:23, 38:3, 38:24,
   Economic 6:5, 6:17, 37:4, 41:9,      Everything 16:7, 43:5.                   39:1, 39:2, 40:17, 42:15,
       41:25.                           evidence 9:15, 10:17, 10:18,             42:16, 42:19.
   effect 44:11.                            12:7, 23:3, 36:25, 37:16,       far 3:19, 18:6, 18:7, 31:23.
   Egypt 17:9, 17:10, 17:12, 17:13,         37:17, 37:18, 37:19, 37:22,     far-reaching 6:15, 8:15,
       17:14, 17:20, 17:25, 18:12,          37:23, 40:18, 40:21,                 8:19.
       20:16, 20:18, 20:19, 22:7,           41:7.                           fast 4:22.
       30:10, 38:20, 39:4, 39:6,        Ex 17:1.                            father 22:3, 30:11.
       39:20.                           exactly 34:11.                      favor 37:23, 38:16.
   Egyptian 20:14, 20:21, 20:24,        example 11:25, 13:9.                fearful 39:12.
       20:25, 21:2, 21:5, 21:6, 22:9,   examples 10:22.                     February 32:8.
       29:7, 29:9.                      excess 14:25.                       Federal 1:47, 36:23, 37:13,
   EIDL 7:18, 20:8.                     excuse 3:12.                             37:24, 41:15.
   eight 16:22.                         executed 7:17, 28:15.               feel 39:11.
   either 8:25, 16:11, 41:25.           execution 13:8, 44:4.               few 4:10, 18:14, 39:6.
   Elessawy 24:21.                      Exhibit 4:1, 12:23, 13:3, 13:9,     filed 15:8.
   embarrassed 33:21.                       14:10, 14:14, 20:13.            files 7:25, 8:1, 8:5, 8:7,
   embarrassing 33:23.                  Exhibits 12:23, 13:4.                    8:16.
   embassy 20:21.                       expect 30:8.                        filing 3:21.
   emotional 35:3.                      experience 14:23.                   filled 15:11.
   employment 17:1, 17:4, 17:5,         expired 21:2, 21:7, 21:11, 29:7,    Financial 11:1, 12:14, 13:13,
       38:3, 40:11, 40:17,                  29:12, 35:9, 35:12.                  17:2, 18:24, 25:22, 38:3,
       40:19.                           explained 14:23, 30:10.                  39:23.
   employs 16:20.                       explanation 24:24, 40:2.            find 9:2, 30:7, 36:7, 42:8, 42:16,
   end 20:3, 24:7.                      explosive 37:14.                         43:9.
   ended 20:2.                          Extensive 17:13, 18:12.             firearm 37:14.
   ending 18:20, 18:21, 18:23,          .                                   First 8:16, 41:4.
       18:25, 19:3, 19:4.               .                                   five 21:18, 23:5, 34:17, 35:6,
   enforcement 10:9, 10:15, 11:12,      < F >.                                   35:13.
       12:4, 14:18, 14:20, 17:24,       F.2d 36:19.                         five-week 17:11.
       20:14, 26:4, 26:10, 26:12,       facilitate 9:9.                     fled 27:12.
       26:14, 26:18, 35:9,              facilitated 23:18.                  flee 19:13, 22:1, 28:9, 40:8, 42:7,
       38:10.                           facility 8:24, 9:6.                      42:14.
   enrolled 29:25, 30:1.                fact 8:21, 9:10, 9:22, 21:16,       fleeing 35:2.
   enter 6:3, 44:10, 44:16.                 21:18, 21:20, 22:15, 26:18,     flight 6:4, 9:9, 10:16, 15:24,
   entered 6:3.                             39:10, 39:14, 40:3.                  17:8, 22:6, 23:11.
   entertainment 40:13.                 factor 37:4, 38:16, 39:12, 39:21,   Floor 1:48.
   Entities 7:11, 7:12, 10:19, 10:23,       40:8, 40:9.                     flow 15:14, 20:8.
       11:1, 11:4, 11:5, 11:9, 11:11,   factors 6:12, 37:5, 37:8,           focus 30:17.
       11:14, 11:19, 12:1, 12:12,           38:7.                           folks 10:3, 23:17, 23:19.
       12:15, 12:18, 13:13, 13:22,      facts 6:10.                         following 27:1, 37:8.
       15:17, 15:18, 16:22, 23:21,      failing 38:13.                      foreclose 9:21.
       24:11.                           fair 34:8, 34:9, 40:22,             foregoing 45:12.
   entity 14:14.                            44:22.                          foreign 18:10, 22:16.
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB               Document 28        Filed 05/12/22        Page 51 of 58
                                                                                                              51

   forged 12:8.                         hair 31:23.                         huge 9:12, 10:6, 35:3.
   Form 15:6, 15:8.                     Halal 10:24, 12:14, 14:13, 14:16,   hundred 22:9, 40:3.
   formal 20:19.                            16:25, 18:23.                   hundreds 31:6.
   forms 7:7, 8:22.                     half 22:14.                         Hurson 3:13, 3:20, 4:4, 4:9, 5:5,
   forward 32:1.                        hand 5:10.                             9:1, 18:13, 25:5, 26:25,
   found 12:4, 21:1.                    Hanover 7:20, 7:23, 8:9, 11:13,        30:22, 31:3, 33:17, 34:21,
   Fourth 36:20, 36:22.                     14:4, 15:3.                        34:22, 36:16.
   frankly 34:12, 39:5.                 happen 21:4.                        husband 22:3, 26:10, 26:18,
   fraud 7:16, 8:14, 8:18, 9:17,        happened 24:3, 28:14.                  28:21, 31:14, 31:19,
       12:8, 16:5, 16:14, 18:2, 23:7,   happy 4:14, 27:24, 42:20.              31:20.
       25:21, 26:17, 37:11,             hard 7:25, 23:4.                    .
       37:22.                           harm 37:4, 41:9, 41:25.             .
   fraudulent 16:15, 20:1,              head 41:13.                         < I >.
       22:25.                           health 40:21.                       Ibrahim 1:39, 3:2.
   Friday 5:1, 7:17.                    healthy 27:18.                      iceberg 7:15.
   friend 38:24.                        hear 4:2, 5:18, 23:12, 42:4.        ID 20:15, 20:18, 20:24,
   friendship 31:13.                    HEARING 1:22, 4:6, 4:9, 5:3,             22:9.
   fully 2:18.                              35:10, 42:15, 42:21.            identified 7:18.
   funds 11:20, 12:1, 13:5, 15:14,      heart 17:14, 28:10, 40:22.          identity 16:4.
       16:14, 18:5, 19:9, 19:15,        Help 6:19, 12:7, 30:16,             ignore 39:10.
       20:2, 20:5, 25:4, 26:17.             34:3.                           ill 39:7, 39:9.
   funerals 39:8.                       helpful 4:13.                       illness 40:21.
   future 39:17.                        hereby 45:11.                       important 4:7, 10:12, 15:21,
   .                                    herself 34:4.                            35:2.
   .                                    hidden 8:10.                        imposed 26:25.
   < G >.                               high 8:20, 22:12.                   impossible 36:7.
   G. 1:46, 45:11, 45:23.               higher 30:8.                        impress 34:24.
   gain 10:14.                          historical 18:18, 19:6,             incentive 21:25.
   game 30:25.                              19:22.                          incident 17:23.
   gave 19:22.                          history 17:6, 23:6, 38:1, 38:5,     includes 38:2.
   GBMC 28:22.                              38:9, 38:12, 40:19,             including 13:13, 14:13,
   gesture 34:24, 35:5.                     40:25.                               14:16.
   gets 33:7.                           holidays 32:17.                     independent 3:16, 36:20.
   getting 11:25, 13:19, 20:21,         holograms 9:2.                      indicated 28:15, 34:21.
       21:15, 22:12.                    home 10:7, 21:19, 27:3, 27:6,       indicates 44:17.
   girls 33:12.                             27:10, 29:22, 30:21, 30:25,     indicating 11:18, 29:13.
   give 10:22, 35:22.                       32:9, 33:9, 33:11, 36:11,       Indicia 22:24.
   given 4:9, 26:15, 26:17, 26:18,          36:12, 38:23, 40:17, 42:12,     individual 16:3.
       27:19, 31:1.                         42:13.                          individuals 34:2.
   gotten 19:8.                         Homeland 20:16.                     information 9:13, 9:16, 12:6,
   grandmother 32:22.                   homes 3:24.                              13:20, 13:21, 17:4, 18:16,
   granted 5:4.                         honestly 25:6, 25:9, 26:20.              18:19, 19:4, 19:7, 19:22,
   Group 11:2, 12:14, 13:13, 17:2,      Honorable 1:23, 45:7.                    19:23, 27:18, 30:21, 31:1,
       18:25, 25:22.                    hope 21:13.                              31:8.
   guarantee 39:17, 39:18.              hopefully 35:1.                     informs 17:7.
   guess 21:15, 23:1, 23:4.             hospital 26:9, 28:17.               initially 34:19.
   guilty 21:25.                        hours 4:10, 18:14, 28:25,           Injury 6:17.
   .                                        32:10.                          innocent 24:24.
   .                                    house 23:6, 26:5, 26:22, 30:23,     inquired 20:16.
   < H >.                                   31:9, 33:8.                     insignificant 19:9, 19:10.
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB                   Document 28         Filed 05/12/22        Page 52 of 58
                                                                                                                  52

   instance 42:5.                           kickback 7:10, 10:25, 11:3, 11:7,         42:6.
   intended 30:24.                             11:9, 11:10, 12:2, 12:16,         lie 29:4.
   intention 35:1.                             13:25, 15:10, 15:15, 16:21,       lied 16:4, 16:6, 16:12,
   interact 33:2.                              24:15, 24:22, 25:4.                    26:13.
   interacted 38:25.                        kickbacks 6:24, 7:5, 9:25, 10:21,    lien 27:6.
   interactions 38:10.                         12:14, 13:12, 14:12, 14:15,       liens 31:10.
   international 17:22, 19:11.                 14:17, 15:1, 24:11, 24:22,        lies 16:16, 17:2.
   interpret 5:24.                             41:21.                            light 6:18.
   interpretation 33:19, 34:7,              kid 33:7.                            likes 4:14.
       34:8.                                kids 33:4.                           limitations 34:7.
   INTERPRETER 1:39, 2:23,                  kind 25:11, 34:5.                    Linda 31:13, 31:19.
       2:24, 3:2, 3:3, 3:5, 3:8, 3:10,      know. 26:11.                         list 4:1.
       5:23.                                known 29:22, 31:24, 32:14,           listed 19:23, 25:20.
   interviewed 14:21.                          38:24.                            literally 29:6.
   investigation 6:21.                      knows 19:14.                         live 38:24.
   involved 7:3, 8:22, 9:23, 11:5,          .                                    lives 29:24.
       18:1, 23:19, 28:8.                   .                                    loan 6:25, 7:5, 9:20, 9:23, 9:25,
   involves 15:17, 23:17,                   < L >.                                    12:3, 13:11, 13:12, 13:19,
       37:12.                               laid 35:20.                               14:4, 14:12, 14:14, 14:15,
   involving 6:15, 8:19.                    land 43:13.                               14:25, 15:1, 15:2, 15:4, 15:5,
   IP 7:19.                                 language 3:7.                             24:10, 24:16.
   IRS 7:7, 15:5, 15:7, 23:1.               large 26:16, 30:5.                   Loans 6:16, 6:17, 6:19, 6:22,
   issue 8:18, 41:7, 43:22.                 larger 8:15.                              6:24, 7:1, 7:9, 7:15, 8:1, 8:19,
   issued 3:12, 36:16.                      last 5:3, 19:23, 20:1, 20:3, 20:5,        10:22, 11:1, 11:3, 11:4,
   issues 40:22.                                22:8, 22:10, 25:11, 29:14,            13:19, 16:21, 16:23, 20:8,
   issues. 29:18.                               30:5, 31:7.                           24:11, 40:16, 42:2.
   issuing 44:19.                           late 20:7.                           located 7:20, 8:7, 8:8, 8:9,
   items 9:9, 20:14.                        lately 33:5.                              11:14.
   Iza 32:7.                                latter 9:19, 10:3.                   location 7:24.
   Izabela 33:20.                           launder 7:5, 11:6, 11:11, 11:20,     Lombard 1:48.
   .                                            12:1, 16:13, 25:3.               long 31:24, 39:12.
   .                                        laundering 15:16, 23:20,             looked 35:10.
   < J >.                                       37:11.                           looking 12:23, 21:23, 22:22,
   Jackson 16:25.                           law 10:9, 10:15, 11:12, 12:4,             26:25.
   jail 33:18.                                  14:18, 14:20, 17:24, 20:14,      looks 20:2, 38:25.
   Jersey 7:2.                                  20:20, 26:4, 26:10, 26:11,       losing 27:11.
   Judge 3:13, 3:20, 4:4, 4:9, 5:3,             26:13, 26:17, 35:8,              loss 8:20.
       5:5, 9:1, 18:13, 25:5, 26:25,            38:10.                           losses 7:10.
       30:22, 31:3, 33:17, 34:20,           least 9:5, 9:6, 10:20, 16:22,        lot 28:8, 30:17, 35:19.
       34:22, 36:11, 36:16,                     17:10, 17:22, 24:8, 24:11,       loves 26:18.
       36:18.                                   25:24, 38:25, 39:25,             loving 22:3.
   Julie 1:36, 2:14.                            40:4.                            luxury 10:1.
   justice 6:7, 9:9, 23:12, 23:16,          leave 14:5, 34:22.                   Lying 26:11, 29:1.
       24:1, 34:11.                         leaving 43:17.                       .
   .                                        left 2:15, 11:17, 11:18,             .
   .                                            13:21.                           < M >.
   < K >.                                   length 38:3, 38:15.                  M&T 19:16.
   Kamel 24:9.                              letter 26:7.                         M. 1:10, 1:36.
   keep 2:20, 24:6, 24:25.                  letters 35:20.                       ma'am 32:16, 33:1, 33:11, 33:15,
   key 12:20.                               licenses 8:2, 9:4, 9:8, 9:13,           44:24.
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB            Document 28           Filed 05/12/22       Page 53 of 58
                                                                                                         53

   Magie 27:3.                         monthly 33:3.                       none 37:15.
   Magistrate 36:16, 36:17.            months 40:1, 40:4.                  nonexhaustive 37:19.
   managing 34:4.                      morning 4:1, 5:5, 9:2, 18:18,       north 22:13, 22:14.
   manufactured 42:5, 42:6.              21:1, 29:3, 32:3, 34:17,          NORTHERN 1:3.
   married 32:11, 32:12, 32:14,          34:21, 35:14, 43:6, 43:8,         nose 26:9.
      38:20.                             43:10, 43:12, 43:15.              note 4:8, 4:10, 5:2, 8:21, 10:8,
   MARSHAL 44:8, 44:23,                mortgage 27:16, 30:22,                 11:12, 16:17, 17:21, 26:4,
      44:24.                             31:11.                               40:22.
   marshals 44:6, 44:22.               mother 30:11, 32:17, 32:20,         noted 15:9, 21:2.
   Maryland 1:2, 1:16, 1:49, 7:3,        32:21.                            novo 3:15, 36:18.
      21:22.                           motion 36:15.                       Number 2:7, 12:3, 16:7, 24:14,
   mask 2:17, 2:19, 2:20, 2:21,        motivations 23:24.                     28:25.
      5:21, 31:22.                     move 44:15.                         numbers 8:3, 9:12, 16:3,
   material 17:3.                      moving 4:8, 4:22.                      16:4.
   matter 5:2, 45:14.                  multibank 41:14.                    Numerous 6:16, 8:2, 9:13, 10:9,
   mean 33:4.                          multibusiness 41:14.                   10:10, 10:21, 12:15, 13:16,
   Meaning 43:8.                       multiperson 41:14.                     16:14, 17:19, 17:25,
   meant 6:19, 29:1, 34:12.            multiple 7:3, 7:4, 11:4, 15:17,        23:17.
   Meat 10:24, 14:13, 14:16, 16:25,      17:8.                             .
      18:23.                           music 40:12.                        .
   mechanical 1:41.                    myself 5:23, 33:20, 39:20.          < O >.
   members 17:9.                       .                                   obligations 34:25.
   mental 38:2, 40:20, 40:21.          .                                   observed 39:1.
   mentioned 23:12.                    < N >.                              obstruct 6:7, 23:16.
   Mercedes 10:1.                      name 2:14, 2:25, 10:11, 11:15,      obstruction 23:12, 23:25,
   met 14:3, 15:2, 23:9, 32:5, 32:7,      11:19, 11:25, 12:8, 12:13,           34:11.
      32:10.                              12:15, 12:20, 16:8.              obtain 8:24, 8:25, 10:14, 21:4,
   meticulously 7:25.                  named 15:2.                             29:13.
   microphone 28:19, 32:2.             nasal 28:23.                        obtained 7:1, 8:16, 9:24,
   mid 38:22.                          naturalized 20:11, 22:6, 29:23,         18:5.
   midday 43:21.                          38:20.                           obvious 41:4.
   million 7:9, 7:10, 7:15, 22:14,     nature 6:13, 16:12, 22:17, 22:19,   Obviously 4:5, 35:3.
      41:19, 41:21.                       33:25, 37:9, 41:1.               occasions 11:10.
   millions 6:22.                      necessarily 30:7.                   offense 6:14, 8:21, 8:23, 21:25,
   mind 28:5.                          need 3:15, 24:6, 24:25, 28:6,           37:9, 37:10, 37:12,
   minor 34:18, 35:7, 35:14,              30:20, 30:24, 31:8, 42:12,           40:24.
      37:13.                              42:14, 42:17, 42:21, 42:22,      offered 34:19, 34:20.
   minutes 4:15, 5:13.                    43:12, 43:25, 44:6.              office 28:24.
   miraculously 43:18.                 needed 43:19.                       officer 29:5.
   mislead 29:4.                       needs 31:9, 33:10.                  officers 28:16, 35:11.
   misstatement 26:17.                 Nevine 1:39, 3:2, 24:5, 24:8,       Official 1:47, 45:24.
   Mitchell 1:46, 45:11, 45:23.           24:9.                            Okay 2:11, 2:16, 3:9, 5:22,
   Mohamed 24:6, 24:19,                New 7:2, 9:8, 9:12, 20:21,              12:11, 12:17, 13:6, 14:7,
      24:20.                              29:13.                               14:10, 18:5, 20:10, 25:19,
   moment 30:16, 35:23, 42:21,         next 8:10, 25:12.                       29:19, 31:16, 43:20,
      42:22, 42:25.                    nice 4:19.                              44:3.
   money 15:17, 19:10, 23:20, 28:8,    nine 11:10.                         old 21:13, 26:8, 28:23, 29:23,
      37:11, 40:7.                     NO. 1:9.                                38:9, 38:19.
   monitor 36:6.                       nods 21:12.                         older 26:8, 29:22.
   month 33:5.                         nonappearance 27:11.                omissions 16:17, 17:3.
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB              Document 28          Filed 05/12/22        Page 54 of 58
                                                                                                           54

   One 5:22, 11:2, 12:1, 13:10,             35:9, 35:13.                     points 6:10, 39:3.
      13:22, 14:13, 16:2, 16:18,         passports 9:3, 34:17, 34:18,        pose 41:25.
      17:11, 17:19, 17:22, 18:13,           34:20, 35:6, 35:13, 35:16,       posed 41:2.
      18:20, 19:2, 20:2, 23:23,             35:17, 42:6.                     poses 41:5.
      23:24, 24:15, 24:20, 24:21,        past 17:9, 38:4, 39:4, 39:6.        position 26:19, 29:4, 36:6.
      25:20, 25:23, 26:16, 26:24,        patience 5:19.                      possession 10:14.
      27:20, 29:12, 29:25, 35:4,         Patricia 1:46, 45:11, 45:23.        possibility 9:21.
      35:22.                             pattern 14:17.                      possible 10:2, 43:7, 43:9.
   one-month 17:11.                      Paul 1:29, 2:7.                     Post 27:1.
   ones 17:3.                            Pause. 5:16, 43:3.                  posted 23:6.
   operative 44:12.                      pay 13:21.                          posting 30:23.
   Order 2:9, 3:12, 3:15, 3:20, 4:5,     Paycheck 6:16, 7:8.                 potential 9:19, 25:2, 25:7, 37:6,
      4:19, 5:7, 6:2, 6:3, 25:5, 27:1,   payee 11:17, 12:6, 13:20, 14:6,        40:22, 41:9.
      34:10, 36:15, 38:7, 40:24,            15:11.                           potentially 8:19, 9:7, 10:7,
      42:11, 43:22, 44:3, 44:4,          payments 7:11, 10:25, 11:7,            10:13, 19:12.
      44:11, 44:12, 44:17, 44:18,           12:3, 12:16, 15:15, 24:15,       PPP 7:5, 8:1, 8:4, 9:25, 10:22,
      44:20.                                24:16, 24:17.                       11:1, 11:4, 12:3, 13:5, 13:11,
   organize 30:19.                       pending 33:9, 40:25.                   13:19, 14:4, 14:12, 14:14,
   organized 7:25.                       People 9:16, 24:6, 24:25, 34:1,        16:23, 20:7, 23:19, 24:10,
   original 10:10.                          39:7, 39:8.                         24:11.
   originally 5:2.                       percent 6:25, 9:25, 13:12, 14:12,   prefer 33:10.
   others 41:20.                            14:15, 15:2.                     preponderance 23:10,
   own 15:18, 16:4, 16:9, 16:10,         perhaps 8:23, 16:17, 31:9, 34:8,       36:25.
      29:24.                                38:19.                           Present 1:39, 4:6.
   owned 38:23.                          period 4:17, 17:17.                 presentation 45:4.
   owners 6:19.                          periods 22:8.                       presented 31:2, 31:3.
   ownership 27:2.                       person 4:7, 9:7, 14:2, 24:18,       presumably 24:3.
   owns 40:17.                              25:1, 36:8, 41:2, 41:6,          Pretrial 3:14, 3:25, 16:17, 16:24,
   .                                        41:10.                              17:1, 25:6, 25:9, 25:16, 26:3,
   .                                     personal 30:6, 30:9.                   27:14, 27:19, 27:20, 36:18,
   < P >.                                perspective 7:14, 8:11, 9:18,          36:21, 38:8, 38:11, 38:18,
   p.m. 1:18, 2:2, 36:3, 45:9.              11:6, 12:2, 23:15, 23:25,           43:23, 44:21.
   paid 7:11, 9:25, 13:12, 14:12,           26:1, 31:5, 45:1.                pretty 4:8, 22:12.
      14:15, 14:25.                      phone 23:22, 25:8.                  prevent 20:20.
   pandemic 6:18.                        physical 38:2, 40:20, 40:21,        primary 23:24.
   paper 10:20.                             41:6.                            prior 38:9.
   paperwork 8:4.                        PII 8:2, 9:12, 10:6.                prison 39:12.
   parents 39:7.                         place 34:9.                         Probably 22:12, 22:13,
   parole 40:24.                         Plaintiff 1:7, 1:27.                   43:14.
   part 5:7, 9:20, 13:18, 26:1,          planned 28:24.                      probation 40:24.
      28:17, 28:22.                      play 13:1, 18:14, 19:9.             problem 4:22, 38:14.
   participated 9:17.                    pleads 21:25.                       problems 38:12.
   particular 39:13, 42:2.               Please 2:4, 2:12, 2:21, 2:23,       proceeding 2:8.
   Particularly 31:3, 35:4.                 2:25, 35:23, 43:2.               Proceedings 1:21, 1:41, 45:9,
   passed 30:13.                         plus 9:25, 18:21, 18:22,               45:13.
   passing 30:11.                           22:15.                           proceeds 11:11, 21:24.
   passport 9:8, 20:12, 20:13,           point 9:5, 10:5, 14:9, 21:14,       process 13:24.
      20:21, 20:24, 20:25, 21:2,            25:11, 25:12, 26:14, 34:9,       produced 1:42.
      21:3, 21:5, 21:6, 21:16, 23:3,        34:13, 40:13, 42:1,              proffer 22:6.
      29:7, 29:11, 29:13, 35:8,             42:14.                           proffered 37:18.
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB              Document 28        Filed 05/12/22      Page 55 of 58
                                                                                                        55

   proficient 3:5.                     receipt 34:18.                    relying 25:5.
   Program 6:16, 7:9.                  receive 13:23, 43:20.             remains 44:5, 44:18.
   proof 27:2.                         received 4:4, 4:8, 6:23, 10:21,   reminding 5:23.
   propensity 42:7.                        10:22, 10:25, 11:1, 11:3,     remove 2:17, 2:19.
   proper 36:21.                           11:4, 12:2, 12:14, 12:16,     removing 5:21.
   property 27:2, 27:6, 37:21,             13:5, 13:11, 14:11, 14:14,    renewed 29:12.
      43:25.                               14:24, 16:21, 16:23, 24:10,   repeat 15:19.
   protected 26:23.                        24:11, 24:14, 24:15, 24:17,   report 3:25, 16:18, 22:23, 25:6,
   Protection 6:16, 7:9.                   24:21, 24:22, 26:16, 34:18,       25:9, 26:2, 26:20, 26:22,
   proven 41:22.                           41:20.                            27:14, 38:8, 40:14.
   provide 15:10.                      receiving 15:1.                   reported 27:14, 38:10,
   provided 6:17, 9:16.                recent 29:11.                         40:11.
   proving 36:25.                      recipients 12:3, 24:16.           Reporter 1:47, 45:24.
   pull 43:18.                         record 2:14, 3:1, 5:20, 15:7,     represent 2:14.
   punishment 21:24.                       27:9, 29:18, 38:6, 45:13.     request 13:20.
   purchased 10:1.                     recorded 1:41, 33:18.             require 39:18, 44:20.
   purported 6:23, 7:1, 7:20,          recording 27:6.                   requires 37:7.
      10:23, 11:2, 12:4, 12:13,        records 43:13.                    requiring 27:5, 30:23.
      12:21, 13:5, 13:10, 13:11,       recovered 9:11, 10:9.             residence 27:15, 38:4,
      13:14, 14:11, 14:24, 15:5,       reference 16:24, 16:25, 17:1,         38:15.
      16:9, 16:10, 16:18, 18:25,           24:8, 24:13, 24:20, 26:7.     resources 19:13, 28:8, 38:3,
      23:20, 24:9, 24:14, 24:15,       referenced 9:24, 10:4,                39:23.
      24:17, 24:21, 25:3, 25:23,           14:22.                        respect 6:13, 10:17, 14:17, 15:9,
      25:24, 27:20, 40:14.             references 7:8, 16:18, 30:4.          16:16, 17:16, 18:15, 36:1,
   put 27:10, 36:4.                    referred 14:1, 25:1.                  38:15.
   .                                   referring 13:1, 24:3, 24:19.      response 35:25.
   .                                   refers 27:2.                      responses 19:8.
   < Q >.                              reflect 13:4.                     responsive 12:21.
   question 29:6, 41:23.               reflected 7:25.                   restrict 42:3.
   questions 18:13, 27:25,             Reform 28:3, 36:24, 37:5, 37:7,   result 6:24, 28:2.
      28:11.                               39:17.                        resulted 5:5.
   quickly 4:9, 5:13, 6:1.             regard 38:17, 41:10.              results 7:17, 15:13.
   quite 8:20, 10:18, 29:6,            regarding 29:18, 33:18.           return 42:20.
      30:18.                           regular 39:1.                     returned 17:12, 44:18.
   quote 24:5, 24:7.                   Rehab 24:5, 24:13, 24:14.         revealed 6:21, 7:24.
   .                                   relating 38:5.                    revelations 8:12.
   .                                   relationship 20:19, 22:2,         reverse 38:7.
   < R >.                                  31:13.                        REVIEW 1:22, 4:15, 5:13,
   raising 5:10, 23:25.                relatively 30:5.                      36:15, 43:21, 44:20.
   read 3:22, 16:1, 16:6.              Release 2:10, 3:12, 3:14, 3:17,   reviewed 3:19, 3:20, 3:22, 6:8,
   ready 5:18.                             3:20, 4:4, 5:7, 6:2, 22:21,       6:9, 37:18.
   real 5:24.                              23:16, 27:1, 31:1, 36:15,     reviewing 5:20.
   really 29:5, 33:25, 34:9,               36:21, 37:6, 39:22, 40:10,    reviews 3:14, 36:17.
       39:14.                              40:25, 41:3, 41:24, 42:9,     revoke 6:2, 25:5.
   reason 27:13, 40:18.                    42:11, 43:22, 44:4, 44:12,    rise 45:7.
   reasonable 23:8.                        44:17, 44:19.                 risk 6:4, 6:6, 10:16, 15:24, 17:8,
   reasonably 3:17, 22:22, 34:14,      released 10:7, 43:23.                 22:6, 23:10, 23:15, 23:25,
       37:1, 39:15, 39:19, 42:9,       relevant 39:21.                       27:11, 34:11.
       42:13, 43:25.                   relief 41:15.                     RMR 1:46, 45:11.
   reasons 42:8.                       rely 25:9, 34:2.                  role 12:20, 13:2.
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB              Document 28         Filed 05/12/22        Page 56 of 58
                                                                                                           56

   roots 29:15.                             42:11.                              31:22, 32:19.
   ruling 4:18.                         Setting 2:9.                        sort 12:19, 20:19, 34:9.
   .                                    seven 17:9, 40:1, 40:4.             sought 37:3.
   .                                    seven-week 17:12.                   speaking 2:18, 2:21, 30:18.
   < S >.                               several 22:7, 22:8, 22:9, 31:6,     specific 11:25.
   Saad 24:14.                              39:4, 39:6, 39:24, 40:3.        specifically 35:21.
   safety 3:18, 22:22, 37:2, 37:3,      severe 21:25.                       stand 36:8.
       42:10.                           sham 16:11.                         standard 23:8.
   Salisbury 29:25.                     share 33:22.                        Standing 2:15, 27:21, 28:5.
   saw 14:8.                            she'll 21:12.                       Stars 16:19, 16:20, 17:3,
   saying 28:22, 29:20, 43:15.          shell 7:4.                              40:12.
   says 16:20, 24:5, 29:8.              short 31:23.                        Starting 28:13.
   scheme 6:15, 7:3, 7:16, 8:18,        show 34:10.                         State 2:25, 18:14, 19:8, 19:20,
       8:19, 9:20, 9:23, 13:2, 13:19,   showing 35:1.                           19:24, 20:17, 20:19,
       14:19, 15:16, 16:22, 22:18,      shows 12:10.                            29:25.
       22:19, 25:21, 26:1, 26:15,       siblings 39:9.                      statement 31:10.
       37:22, 41:14, 41:22.             sick 30:12, 39:8.                   statements 7:7, 8:3, 8:5,
   school 30:2.                         side 39:3.                              8:22.
   scope 8:14.                          sign 14:5.                          States 1:1, 1:5, 2:6, 29:15, 29:22,
   search 3:24, 7:17, 7:22, 7:24,       signatories 11:17, 11:24.               29:24, 36:17, 36:19, 36:22,
       8:12, 9:11, 11:13, 12:4, 13:8,   signatory 12:5, 13:16, 25:20,           38:17.
       15:13, 17:23, 28:14, 31:9,           25:25, 26:16.                   status 40:5.
       37:20.                           signed 11:16, 11:22, 11:23, 12:5,   stay 44:4, 44:15, 44:17.
   searches 10:8.                           12:19, 13:15, 13:20,            stayed 17:10.
   seat 2:12, 3:9.                          15:10.                          stays 2:21.
   second 13:10.                        significant 21:24, 22:8, 22:11,     steadily 30:12.
   secured 14:18, 27:6.                     30:2, 40:1.                     stenographic 45:13.
   Security 8:3, 9:12, 16:3, 16:4,      similar 14:23.                      stenography 1:41.
       16:7, 20:16, 27:11, 30:23,       simply 21:22.                       step 5:23, 42:25.
       42:13.                           single 25:1.                        Stewart 36:22.
   seeking 6:4.                         sir 31:16.                          stole 9:15.
   seems 28:8, 40:22.                   sister 32:18.                       stolen 16:3.
   seen 14:17, 15:3, 15:4,              sit 28:6.                           Street 1:48, 7:21, 7:23, 8:9,
       21:12.                           situation 29:1, 33:23.                  11:14, 14:4, 15:3, 27:3.
   seized 13:7, 17:24, 20:12, 20:14,    six 39:25, 40:4.                    strong 10:18, 37:17.
       35:8.                            skepticism 27:19.                   submission 3:22, 6:9, 6:16, 6:24,
   self-employed 17:5, 40:12.           skin 30:25.                             10:19, 17:15, 17:16, 20:6,
   self-reported 27:18.                 slow 5:22.                              23:18, 42:20.
   sense 4:18, 39:6.                    small 6:19.                         Submissions 8:1, 20:6, 20:7.
   sentence 39:12.                      Social 8:3, 9:12, 16:3, 16:4,       submit 18:10.
   serious 6:6, 15:24, 22:6, 22:20,         16:7.                           submits 6:6.
       23:7, 23:10, 23:15, 34:11,       someone 15:2, 22:24, 23:5,          submitted 6:22, 7:5, 14:4, 15:5,
       34:25, 41:22.                        36:8.                               16:7, 23:18, 41:16.
   seriously 39:19, 41:11.              sometimes 6:25, 33:4.               subpoena 19:8.
   seriousness 8:23, 41:1.              son 26:6, 26:7, 26:8, 28:22,        substance 24:1, 37:14.
   Services 3:25, 16:17, 16:24,             28:23, 32:8, 32:9, 33:6.        suggest 42:7.
       17:1, 25:6, 25:10, 25:16,        son. 32:18.                         suggesting 9:3, 12:10,
       26:3, 38:8, 38:11, 38:19,        sooner 42:19.                           12:19.
       44:21.                           sophisticated 6:15, 15:17.          suggests 8:23, 19:12.
   set 5:2, 10:18, 25:5, 41:24,         sorry 14:8, 22:14, 29:17, 31:20,    suitable 25:12.
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB             Document 28        Filed 05/12/22        Page 57 of 58
                                                                                                        57

   summarized 41:12.                  took 29:6, 35:11.                      31:4, 33:13, 36:10, 40:13,
   summary 37:18.                     total 22:13, 24:12.                    42:1, 44:2.
   support 3:23, 6:9, 6:12.           totaling 24:16, 24:17, 24:22,       understanding 10:4, 14:1,
   supported 14:1.                        24:23.                             14:19, 27:9, 34:25,
   supporting 15:4.                   touch 6:11, 9:6, 33:12,                44:13.
   supports 40:17.                        44:21.                          understands 21:14, 24:9, 24:13,
   surgery 26:9, 28:24, 28:25.        towards 3:6.                           24:18.
   surprise 37:24.                    track 33:19.                        Understood 5:6, 13:18, 32:23,
   surprised 43:11.                   TRANSCRIPT 1:21, 1:41,                 35:18.
   surrendered 34:17, 34:20.              45:12.                          unfortunately 22:16, 27:22,
   surrounded 30:11, 30:13.           transmission 20:1, 20:5.               30:13.
   suspected 8:17.                    travel 9:7, 17:13, 18:12, 23:4,     United 1:1, 1:5, 2:6, 29:15,
   swear 2:23.                            39:6.                              29:22, 29:24, 36:16, 36:19,
   sworn. 2:24.                       traveled 22:7, 39:4.                   36:22, 38:17.
   .                                  traveling 26:6, 26:9.               University 29:25.
   .                                  trial 2:15, 21:24, 33:9,            unless 28:5.
   < T >.                                 40:25.                          unlikely 43:19.
   table 2:15.                        trip 17:11, 17:12.                  unrealistic 36:9.
   tax 8:3, 8:22.                     trips 17:10, 17:19, 17:20, 30:10,   until 44:19.
   ten 15:20.                             30:13.                          unusual 30:7.
   tendency 6:1.                      trouble 39:5.                       up-to-date 18:16.
   tendered 5:11.                     troubling 18:11, 18:12, 28:4,       updated 19:7.
   terms 22:13.                           39:21.                          useful 4:12.
   terrorism 37:13.                   true 41:22.                         .
   Texas 7:3.                         trust 22:23, 22:24, 28:5, 28:7,     .
   Thanksgiving 32:17.                    34:2.                           < V >.
   they've 23:5.                      trusted 26:2.                       vacation 43:16.
   thinks 35:11.                      try 21:4, 40:8, 43:5.               vaccinated 2:18, 2:20.
   third 24:18.                       trying 22:20, 28:2, 29:4,           value 13:12, 15:2, 30:21.
   third-party 5:7, 25:12,                30:18.                          various 3:24, 6:23, 12:23, 13:13,
       28:7.                          turn 45:1.                              22:10, 23:19.
   though 41:23.                      turned 35:13, 35:19.                vaxed 5:21.
   thousand 22:10, 40:3.              twin 29:23, 35:14.                  vehicle 10:10, 10:14.
   thousands 31:6.                    two 4:15, 7:18, 10:22, 11:9,        versus 2:6.
   three 29:16, 29:21, 35:7,              11:14, 12:18, 17:9, 17:10,      vetted 25:15.
       38:22.                             17:19, 19:2, 21:7, 24:17,       victim 9:21, 37:13.
   Ticse 1:30, 2:8.                       29:22, 33:5, 34:19,             victims 10:3.
   tied 10:23, 25:22.                     35:14.                          view 16:11, 17:7, 22:24,
   ties 21:21, 30:2, 38:3, 38:4,      type 9:9, 10:13.                        31:4.
       38:16, 39:2, 39:20.            .                                   violations 26:2, 26:20.
   tip 7:15.                          .                                   violence 23:7, 37:12.
   title 31:9.                        < U >.                              violent 41:6.
   titles 10:10, 10:11.               U.S. 1:31, 2:7, 20:11, 20:12.       Virginia 7:2.
   today 3:13, 6:3, 35:10,            ultimately 39:7, 43:24.             visibility 18:4, 18:9, 19:12,
       36:16.                         underscores 8:22.                       22:17.
   together 42:19, 43:6, 43:18.       underscoring 10:12, 10:15.          visit 26:22.
   toll 35:3.                         understand 9:19, 11:6, 12:7,        vs 1:8.
   tomorrow 43:6, 43:8, 43:10,            12:11, 12:22, 13:15, 13:23,     .
       43:12, 43:15, 43:17,               14:9, 16:11, 20:13, 21:23,      .
       44:9.                              22:5, 24:19, 26:24, 27:23,      < W >.
Case 1:23-cr-00344-RDB              Document 28          Filed 05/12/22   Page 58 of 58
                                                                                          58

   W. 1:48.                                 29:14, 29:23, 38:9, 38:19,
   wait 11:21, 43:20.                       38:25, 39:4, 39:7.
   wallet 17:24.                        yielded 37:21.
   wants 21:22, 26:20.                  York 7:2.
   warrant 3:24, 7:17, 8:12, 13:8,      young 38:22.
       28:14, 37:20.                    younger 30:2.
   watching 32:9.                       youngest 33:11, 35:4.
   wear 2:21.                           .
   Wednesday 5:3.                       .
   week 5:3.                            < Z >.
   weekly 33:3.                         zero 22:15, 22:16.
   weeks 7:18, 17:10.
   weighs 38:16.
   weight 10:17, 10:18, 37:16,
       37:17, 37:23.
   whatever 27:10.
   whether 3:16, 16:2, 20:17, 21:3,
       22:23, 28:4, 28:7, 34:13,
       37:11, 40:23, 41:23,
       41:24.
   wife 19:2, 21:19, 23:5, 23:23,
       24:2, 25:6, 26:5, 28:7, 31:16,
       32:7, 35:7, 43:1.
   will 3:17, 4:2, 4:7, 6:7, 8:25,
       22:21, 23:6, 23:16, 34:14,
       37:1, 39:15, 39:16, 39:19,
       39:20, 41:25, 42:2, 42:9,
       42:13, 42:14, 43:5, 44:10,
       44:11, 44:16, 44:18,
       44:20.
   willing 31:1, 33:8.
   willingness 42:7.
   wire 37:10.
   without 11:25, 22:20, 23:8,
       34:10.
   witnesses 25:7, 26:21.
   work 43:23.
   working 32:9, 32:10, 36:3, 36:5,
       40:12.
   works 36:11.
   worth 6:22, 7:10, 11:3,
       27:15.
   wrapping 8:14.
   write 13:22, 13:24.
   written 4:19.
   .
   .
   < Y >.
   year 20:3, 30:5, 31:7.
   years 17:9, 21:7, 22:8, 26:8,


File and source

File
gov.uscourts.mdd.545200.28.0.pdf
Size
638,398 bytes
SHA-256
92af2a670072f77410bdbdffea90a572bc7ae82641bbe588f39e4a6fee3a38c0
Our copy
gov.uscourts.mdd.545200.28.0.pdf
Original
No public link identified.
Back to top